>starts as fun character for young readers. >becomes a super hero. >married the son of satan and committed suicide. That's honestly a good summation of the tone in marvel comics over time. I think the biggest thing holding Hellcat back is her costume, it's kind of bland IMO but I like her concept when you explained it.
yeah but i think the costume is ok, it's probably because there's another cat like superhero who is more popular and dare i say more sexy than her. it's blackcat from spiderman. she's somewhat an anti-hero helping spiderman or sometimes she's the cause of the trouble. and yeah her costume is a little better thanks to being simple and colours being easy on the eye. i think the whole character and superpowers are bland. she's just your average super strong super agile cat-like superhero. they've been done to death. it'll be hard to make this character popular when marvel has tons of easier options. blackcat having a solo-run is better , rather than your standard superhero comic she could branch out to a more like indiana jones type of adventure seeing she's a thief and her father is a legendary thief. a good adventure type of comic would be a great change.
There's so many "cat" like characters, her being "bland" is what makes her unique. She just didn't want to be left out and kicked ass. I can respect that
@@arkinyte13 yeah I mean she's called hell cat! Maybe some "nine lives" immortal resurrection, magic resistance, occult curses, and some hell fire cuz why not. Just some ideas.
if she and wolverine had a mini hookup.. this girl will get the recignition she deserves... imagine wolverine and the son of Satan fighting over a girl whose costume looks like wolverines.. sick ...and imagine wolverine having a son with the queen of hell... making a devil-wolverine hybrid
I loved her Initiative mini series. The art was gorgeous, she felt really fun and light, as opposed to so many heroes, and I could have read that or the Kathryn/Stuart Immonen series for a very long time. Shame it didn't go further.
Patsy is hands down my favorite superhero of all time. Her story is all about getting caught in cycles of abuse and how to heal and learn to live beyond the hell ( literally and figuratively ) that she has been through after marrying two abusive men. Part of me is glad her storyhas never taken off because I would be afraid how Marvel would exploit her trauma, erase it, or worse yet, have her get back together with either of the men she fled from. She teaches us how to keep fighting the good fight even after going through the worst of the worse, and her relationship with shulkie is one of my all time favorite dynamics.
Patsy Walker should have been written like Squirrel Girl , or have her beat Gwen pool , because she is so unpopular Gwenpool would never read her. In her own universe.
@OTTO OCTAVIOUS not really. She is only good against those who she actually read about before going over to the Marvel Universe. She gets a bit more powerful when she controls the fourth wall better but even then that ability wont get used much outside of her solo stuff.
Hellcat is a playable character in marvel future fight. Imo her character in that game is kinda true depiction of her comic version moves and power level.
I honestly like Netflix 's take on the character, how it turned the comics published by her mother , into a tv show her mother forced her into. Even the developments of season 3 of JJ, id like to see her come back in the future, maybe in her own series.
I think the JJ season 3 developments set things up perfectly for a film or series. Trish meets Damian/Son of Satan in prison, and she dies/kills herself upon seeing his true self. He then resurrects her and turns her into Hellcat, to control her bad impulses. Trish then performs a secret mission for the US that gets her pardoned. This would transition the character from the Netflix show to the Hellcat of the comics, while summarizing her comics history approximately.
@@CaptDingDong well Hulu IS getting a Hellstrom series....and they've hinted at reviving the shows that were on Netflix once the 2 year wait is over....
CaptDingDong that sounds great, and tbh I’ve read some great ideas for future marvel comics from fans in comment sections, but we can only hope it will turn out that way. Also, who do you think Keanu Reeves will play in MCU Phase 4 ?
I'm inclined to agree. Patsy/Tricia became so blind by wanting to be the "Hero" that she never thought that the death of her mother would affect her in such a way. Like many heroes she never saw that line between hero and villain until it was too late. You can so easily cross the line. But it gave Tricia a much needed depth.
Awesome job! Hellcat is one of my favorite Marvel characters which surprises many people. They’ve written her in odd ways over the years, but Patsy is an important part of comic history. I try to collect all her toys comics and figures. Great video, incredibly informative.
Glad to see Patsy getting some love, especially after she was done dirty in the last 2 seasons of Jessica Jones. Her character is a lot of fun and her solo series were really enjoyable, especially Patsy Walker AKA Hellcat.
I like that Marvel doesn't let things go, most of the time. Like how they revitalized Absorbing Man and Titania in the Black Bolt series, or how they've brought Gwen Stacey to the forefront of their books with Spider-Gwen. It is this rich history that us old goats enjoy reading about. Great video, and I also loved the Hellcat book from 2016. Kate Leth is awesome and that book was cancelled way too soon.
Hellcat is downright my favourite character, aside possibly Nightcrawler. And yeah, her powerset is pretty standard, but I think the important part left out isn't her origin or abilities, but her personality. She's a good character because she's fun, she's optimistic and positive, as opposed to all the dark and gritty comic book characters. Of course, that made season 3 of Jessica Jones hard to watch.
they're still doing vampire jubilee? man i miss the old 90's jubilee. did they toned down her edginess? if so i might wanna read hellcat comic if she's a fun character there.
I liked her in the comics already, but had no idea she'd be my favorite Netflix series character and they really utilized her waaaaaaaaaaaay more than I expected... what a great story
Okay Drake, two things: First, I like how you stopped that half-giggle when saying „I‘ll see you next time“. Second, didn‘t hear thunder OR rain so good work.
Strangely? I love Hellcat, and I love teen humor comics, but I find early Patsy Walker a chore to read. (I do like the later, 60s Patsy stuff, but the 40s... meh)
Except... I read scores of comics from the 40s and enjoy them immensely. Archie in the 40s is gold. There are tons of Archie-like series from that era that I love: Ace Comics' Andy, Harvey's Mazie and Stevie, Toby's Meet Merton. It's not really the culture of the era; I'm all about that. It's specifically the early Patsy Walkers I find kind of tedious.
Its funny when in Jessica Jones season 3 Patsy is trying out a superhero suit and she stumbles upon the original hellcat costume in the halloween shop and she goes like: "Hell no!" then takes it off.
Best version of Hellcst were the Katie and Stuart Immonen 8 pagers, including the one where she and Gambit went on a blind date. Exciting AND charming.
Now, see, I love Hellcat for just this reason. She’s a survivor. And she’s a hero because she wants to be one. I think it’s cool they reinvented the character for new eras. Funny thing is she’s long been one of my son’s favorites too...from long before we got around to comparing notes on the subject.
You could easily do a second part to this talking about the differences between the Netflix Hellcat and the on in the comics. One example is, how her and Jessica don't even know each other in the comics, and that its only after the show ended that Marvel will be releasing a comic with them in it together.
I’m so glad you made this video because I’ve been trying to understand her forever but now I feel like I’m even more confused because of how weird her backstory is. PS now that I know what her powers Are I still don’t get why she’s on the same team as Doctor Strange, hulk and silver surfer
"Where do you go?" "When you just wanna have a good time?" "I hear a voice calling my name." "Reaching out!" "It's Patsy! It's Patsy!" "I really wanna be your friend." "Hope this day will never end." "It's Patsy! It's Patsy!" "I really wanna be a friend of you."
I really enjoyed her in Jessica jones I watched the show after season 3 came out and I was in quarantine and I liked her backstory of her being a child star kind of a twist on her being a comic book star but I felt like it helped her age into modern times a bit more I just wish she showed up in she hulk due to her and Jennifer being besties in the comics and that could of easily brought in Jessica jones to the mcu before the daredevil show
I have lovedPatsy Walker/Hellcat ever since I read about her in my dad's old Avengers and Defenders comics from the 1970s and 1980s. I'm still waiting for Marvel to start reprinting her teen comics from the 1940s: I'm surprised that they didn't do it when the Patsy Walker aka Hellcat comic made them such a vital part of the series.
I’ve always had a soft spot for Hell-Cat and would consider her a favourite of Marvel’s ladies as I’ve always enjoyed her popping up in the MU. Thanks for the history lesson! 👍🏼
i was aware of her for years and she made some cameo during the time I was reading for instance when Luke Cage needed someone to baby sit his child she was ask and her response was like are you kidden I was a former avenger. They eventually got squirrel girl for the job
Honestly like I think Jessica Jones Patsy is much better than the comic version. If they apply the depth and character development from the show to comics I'm sure she can rise from c list character to B
Rachel Taylor did great in that role on netflix. i would love to see her headline her own series honestly... hunt down serial killers etc and parkour them in the face..
She needs to be a bit rebooted in order to add any consistency to the character. Cause she has a rich backstory, they can pretty much nitpick any of the content and trim other stuff down. It also feels weird not to reference Hellcat Maggie in relation to the character.
I don't know where it's from, but I actually have seen a comic panel featuring Tigra, Hellcat, and Black Cat fighting... something and commenting on the number of 'mittens' jokes Spider-Man would be making if he were present (they're glad he's not).
I was getting back into comics around 2017 and Hellcat was a one that i picked up along with Gwenpool and honestly loved the comic its fun finding out her long and interesting comic journey
Patsy Walker was a teen TV sitcom caricature in the MCU. The actress playing her blackmailing a scientist into transforming her was a really good save.
Where do you go ♪ When you just wanna have a good time ♫ I hear a voice calling my name ♪ Reaching out, It's Patsy, It's Patsy ♫ I really wanna be your friend ♪ Hope this day will never end ♫ It's Patsy I really wanna be a friend with you ♪
I have watched a boat load of your videos. This was probably the best edit one ever. Between the character breakdown the side notes feeling like little side segments. Great freaking job on your research and the edits keep it up!
seems like she would do her best if done in a way akin to Spider-Man or dare devil, ie a street level hero that has a power or 2 and skills or experiances that allows them to help significantly and hold their own along side the avengers when needed
I absolutely adored the version of this character they created for the Jessica Jones show. She was probably one of the best depictions of the abuse and trauma that many child actors sadly go through. Too bad she had almost nothing in common with the comics version of the character, but Marvel does retcon a lot of comic characters to have more in common with their movie/TV version nowadays and Patsy Walker is one I would not mind them doing it to.
That origin story kinda reminds me of Mindy the Model. A slice of life romance character brought into the 616 continuity, only now (from the last I heard) she is a friend of Mary Jane Watson.
@@YunierViada She got cat powers, then created her own personal hell by becoming the bad guy she wanted to fight. It's a good origin story for the character. I could see the government recruiting her from the Raft to join a covert government superteam similar to the Suicide Squad. Heck, Natasha did way worse stuff than kill three murderous psychos the ordinary authorities couldn't handle.
Currently reading the ultimate Spider-Man comics. Peter watches an advert for some company he's researching & the presenter on this ad is Patsy Walker, which led me to this video. She's only in 3 panels & I just thought it was a really obscure reference.
Hey Drake, great work. I, like you, am a life long comic book reader and fan. I recently took a gig writing for Screenrant and I stumbled across your channel while researching an article about strange romances in Defenders comics, which is why I’m on this video specifically lol. Your concise yet detailed approach is exactly the type of quick reference format I’ve been looking for. Subscribed. Looking forward to digging through your back catalogue. Cheers!
Marvel should seriously consider releasing trades of all those old Patsy Walker comics, as well as one containing all her pre solo title appearances. Like what they did for Squirrel Girl and Mockingbird.
I’d love to see her character redeemed and teamed up with Dr Strange. Their mystical powers would be fun to see Or the Punisher. I think his way of sorting things out would be very appealing to her.
@@kyletowers9662 , Ha, I love it. There was an article in an old Wizard magazine in which the authors made up a team of Marvel and DC that could handle anything. They walked around to different editors to get suggestions for the team name, and the best anyone could come up with was "the Ass Kickers".
Hey now, the Inhumans may not be as interesting as the X-Men. But the have had some good stories (black bolt series, death of Inhumans and marvel knights), been part of good stories (infinity, war of kings, hickmans fantastic four and others) and gave us kamala kahn, moon girl and other interesting characters. They shouldn't have been pushed soo hard with multiple titles and throwing in a ton of characters at once, but they still deserved to have thier moment to shine. With that said, I respect your opinion and enjoy your vid. Keep up the good work. 👍
If it wasn't for every mutant past present and future having their film rights sold to fox, I'm sure the inhumans would have been called something like next generation mutants and a lot of the hate would go away even if the execution of the stories were the same.
I enjoyed the entirety of the JJ series. I’d love to see these and other street level hero’s picked up and developed on HULU. I’d love to see them develop an anthology series that had 3-4 show arcs with all of the Netflix hero’s along with new ones like Moonknight. Like for instance: Marvel Knights. Start with Hellcat in a 3 show arc being recruited for dark missions for the govt to win back her freedom but drug out over a few years. Next a 4 show arc with the origin of Moonknight, then a 3 or 4 story arc with Daredevil, then Luke Cage, then Tigra, etc, etc, in the 2nd season, do more of them with an eventual culmination of the Offenders or Defenders again. So many possibilities!
Loved the video. I had no idea she had such a colourful past. I remember her from the Defenders comics back in the 70s and 80s when I was a kid. Had no idea she ended marrying Daemon. Keep up the good work.
I think it’s great it’s like a good luck charm so they won’t let her go she was there at the beginning like Stan Lee and maybe should be there at the end
Patsy teaches us that while a character/genere may not be for everyone, they're for _someone_ (she's still here after about 80 years). She'd work best as the star of bi-annual OGNs: You get a writer & artist, listen to the pitch & make sure it embraces her history to certain degrees (superheroics, with slice of life subplot). Keep it short, simple and Self-Contained. They may not get awards, but people would talk about them which means more sales.
Comic book popularity goes through different stages over the years. American superhero comics have dropped, but its been replaced by Manga, which has surged in popularity.
I feel like Patsy is best as a support character, like she was in She-Hulk comics. Not so much as a superhero. But as a retired hero that's just going with life now.
I’ve always been a big fan of Hellcat. I mostly remember her from her time with the Avengers and the Defenders. I never understood the references to her past ‘til now, so thanks for that. I bought the 2008 mini and didn’t understand the Daimon Hellstrum(sp) stuff until this video.Though she was only an aside in this video I never quite understood how and why Tigra were a part of the Hellcat narrative though I always liked both heroines. I could go on about the best stories regarding each character from back in the day but I won’t. Great retrospective of a cool, if not overlooked, heroine.
good video. The Cat, Tigra & hellcat have always enjoyed. I have each of their "1st appearances" & may try to get a copy of Hellcat in her own comic. Thanks for the info!
AKA Hellcat was fun as were her appearances in the various She-Hulk comics. I don't have Netflix, but have read enough to know that 'Trish' is apparently very different than the lighthearted and frequently goofy 'Patsy' and would be curious to know whether she was meant to be a composite character or something of that nature...
Her final few scenes were so sad. Her realizing she was the bad guy was akin to somebody finally coming off a bender and seeing all the damage they've done to their lives. She had a messed up childhood that clearly scarred her horrifically. I liked her little head nod at the end and hopefully some day she gets to see Jessica again.
I like it when comic companies revamp very old characters bringing them into the modern day while respecting their past. There are many reason companies do this... 1. Companies can lose the rights to names and characters if they do not continuously publish comics showcasing those names/characters. This has happened with characters like the original Captain Marvel. 2. Using older characters can keep or add readers by appealing to more mature readers. 3. There have been characters who have been become very popular after being unused for decades. 4. Continuing to use such characters improves continuity.
>starts as fun character for young readers.
>becomes a super hero.
>married the son of satan and committed suicide.
That's honestly a good summation of the tone in marvel comics over time.
I think the biggest thing holding Hellcat back is her costume, it's kind of bland IMO but I like her concept when you explained it.
Prophoem yes agreed, why don’t they give demonic powers as well?
yeah but i think the costume is ok, it's probably because there's another cat like superhero who is more popular and dare i say more sexy than her. it's blackcat from spiderman. she's somewhat an anti-hero helping spiderman or sometimes she's the cause of the trouble. and yeah her costume is a little better thanks to being simple and colours being easy on the eye.
i think the whole character and superpowers are bland. she's just your average super strong super agile cat-like superhero. they've been done to death. it'll be hard to make this character popular when marvel has tons of easier options. blackcat having a solo-run is better , rather than your standard superhero comic she could branch out to a more like indiana jones type of adventure seeing she's a thief and her father is a legendary thief. a good adventure type of comic would be a great change.
There's so many "cat" like characters, her being "bland" is what makes her unique. She just didn't want to be left out and kicked ass. I can respect that
@@arkinyte13 yeah I mean she's called hell cat! Maybe some "nine lives" immortal resurrection, magic resistance, occult curses, and some hell fire cuz why not. Just some ideas.
I haven't watched any episodes but based on the scraps I've seen I'm pretty sure this is a plot in Riverdale.
honestly, from her colors and costume design, i always thought hellcat was an X-men character, related to wolverine somehow.
Lol well they could have been lovers
@@dcmarvelcomicfans9458 could
Huh, yeah.
Now imagine Logan apper in Patsy original comics as new bad boy with heart of gold in town.
I like Hellcat. Wish she was seen more.
if she and wolverine had a mini hookup.. this girl will get the recignition she deserves... imagine wolverine and the son of Satan fighting over a girl whose costume looks like wolverines.. sick ...and imagine wolverine having a son with the queen of hell... making a devil-wolverine hybrid
@@paulocuento9949 Interesting...
I loved her Initiative mini series. The art was gorgeous, she felt really fun and light, as opposed to so many heroes, and I could have read that or the Kathryn/Stuart Immonen series for a very long time. Shame it didn't go further.
It is terrible (just awful) but the title should read:
Patsy Walker is Weird as Hell(cat)
That's a great title and I would totally change it to that, but TH-cam's search algorithm wouldn't recognize "Hell(cat)" as "Hellcat".
@@ComicDrake stupid algorithm
Darn algorithm
@@kaiwilliams141 Thats why its essential we share the videos with friends and family :)
@@ComicDrake well, you'd attract the automotive audience then!
Patsy is hands down my favorite superhero of all time. Her story is all about getting caught in cycles of abuse and how to heal and learn to live beyond the hell ( literally and figuratively ) that she has been through after marrying two abusive men. Part of me is glad her storyhas never taken off because I would be afraid how Marvel would exploit her trauma, erase it, or worse yet, have her get back together with either of the men she fled from. She teaches us how to keep fighting the good fight even after going through the worst of the worse, and her relationship with shulkie is one of my all time favorite dynamics.
Patsy Walker should have been written like Squirrel Girl , or have her beat Gwen pool , because she is so unpopular Gwenpool would never read her. In her own universe.
@OTTO OCTAVIOUS how sway
@OTTO OCTAVIOUS not really. She is only good against those who she actually read about before going over to the Marvel Universe. She gets a bit more powerful when she controls the fourth wall better but even then that ability wont get used much outside of her solo stuff.
@@King_Dragmire yeah her against Deadpool was funny cus her saying she didn't read his books
Love her in the show. Very clever way of giving her powers and making it an addiction at the same time.
Marvel not letting things go sounds exactly like my family..
Some people move on but not us
Whether it’s the comic fans or the comic publisher neither group can lets shit go.
Happy Family Get-Together! 7/4 XD
My dad let go too early
Hellcat is a playable character in marvel future fight. Imo her character in that game is kinda true depiction of her comic version moves and power level.
I'm close to t2'ing her.
Nice.
I honestly like Netflix 's take on the character, how it turned the comics published by her mother , into a tv show her mother forced her into.
Even the developments of season 3 of JJ, id like to see her come back in the future, maybe in her own series.
I think the JJ season 3 developments set things up perfectly for a film or series. Trish meets Damian/Son of Satan in prison, and she dies/kills herself upon seeing his true self. He then resurrects her and turns her into Hellcat, to control her bad impulses. Trish then performs a secret mission for the US that gets her pardoned. This would transition the character from the Netflix show to the Hellcat of the comics, while summarizing her comics history approximately.
@@CaptDingDong well Hulu IS getting a Hellstrom series....and they've hinted at reviving the shows that were on Netflix once the 2 year wait is over....
CaptDingDong that sounds great, and tbh I’ve read some great ideas for future marvel comics from fans in comment sections, but we can only hope it will turn out that way.
Also, who do you think Keanu Reeves will play in MCU Phase 4 ?
I'm inclined to agree. Patsy/Tricia became so blind by wanting to be the "Hero" that she never thought that the death of her mother would affect her in such a way. Like many heroes she never saw that line between hero and villain until it was too late. You can so easily cross the line. But it gave Tricia a much needed depth.
Awesome job! Hellcat is one of my favorite Marvel characters which surprises many people. They’ve written her in odd ways over the years, but Patsy is an important part of comic history. I try to collect all her toys comics and figures. Great video, incredibly informative.
I really want to see her in action for the next season of Jessica Jones
*Oh Wait*
The joke would make more sense if season 3 didn't exist.
Nah, just let it dies, Patsy was absolute a horrible character in season 2 and would instead make a good villain for Jessica.
Kratos Uh... have you seen season 3?
Kratos Spoiler Alert: that’s what happens
Season 3 exists lol
Glad to see Patsy getting some love, especially after she was done dirty in the last 2 seasons of Jessica Jones. Her character is a lot of fun and her solo series were really enjoyable, especially Patsy Walker AKA Hellcat.
Remember Stan Lee's Stripperella
“Patsy Walker” is the most 1940s name I can imagine.
I like that Marvel doesn't let things go, most of the time. Like how they revitalized Absorbing Man and Titania in the Black Bolt series, or how they've brought Gwen Stacey to the forefront of their books with Spider-Gwen. It is this rich history that us old goats enjoy reading about. Great video, and I also loved the Hellcat book from 2016. Kate Leth is awesome and that book was cancelled way too soon.
No one minus one. I love Gwen ( all Spider-Women, really. Jessica Drew, May Parker, Cindy Moon etc. etc), and Earth-65 is a very interesting place.
Ronnie J Dio everyone loves spider gwen, all of the spider woman are great besides one, that I’m sure doesn’t need to be named...
Ronnie J Dio don’t try and speak for everyone.
Ronnie J Dio False. I love Spider Gwen
I remember as a kid, I kept getting confused w/Tirga & the Cat
Hellcat is downright my favourite character, aside possibly Nightcrawler. And yeah, her powerset is pretty standard, but I think the important part left out isn't her origin or abilities, but her personality. She's a good character because she's fun, she's optimistic and positive, as opposed to all the dark and gritty comic book characters. Of course, that made season 3 of Jessica Jones hard to watch.
Loved the 2016 series. Had a lot of fun with the cartoony side of Jubilee’s vampirism.
they're still doing vampire jubilee? man i miss the old 90's jubilee. did they toned down her edginess? if so i might wanna read hellcat comic if she's a fun character there.
She pretty much boils down to cool kid mom who everyone keeps using her coffee maker.
@@maosama3695 Not anymore they got rid of her vampirism in a recent generation x comic
Wowzers. I consider myself a pretty well-versed Marvel-Head and I knew NONE of this. The title of this video is absolutely correct lol
I liked her in the comics already, but had no idea she'd be my favorite Netflix series character and they really utilized her waaaaaaaaaaaay more than I expected... what a great story
Okay Drake, two things:
First, I like how you stopped that half-giggle when saying „I‘ll see you next time“.
Second, didn‘t hear thunder OR rain so good work.
Strangely? I love Hellcat, and I love teen humor comics, but I find early Patsy Walker a chore to read. (I do like the later, 60s Patsy stuff, but the 40s... meh)
Except... I read scores of comics from the 40s and enjoy them immensely. Archie in the 40s is gold. There are tons of Archie-like series from that era that I love: Ace Comics' Andy, Harvey's Mazie and Stevie, Toby's Meet Merton. It's not really the culture of the era; I'm all about that. It's specifically the early Patsy Walkers I find kind of tedious.
I've been reading Essential Defenders. I really like Hellcat on the team.
Hell Cat sounds so cool
Its funny when in Jessica Jones season 3 Patsy is trying out a superhero suit and she stumbles upon the original hellcat costume in the halloween shop and she goes like:
"Hell no!" then takes it off.
that was the moment i realized she had to be an actual Marvel Character with a comics history, i had no clue
Best version of Hellcst were the Katie and Stuart Immonen 8 pagers, including the one where she and Gambit went on a blind date. Exciting AND charming.
That one was hilarious!
Isn’t she also the best friend of Jennifer Walters (She-Hulk)?
Yep. And Jessica is best friends with Carol Danvers (Captain Marvel) in the comics.
SPOILERS FOR JJ S3
Trish should get the chance for a redemption, if they ever make a Thunderbolts movie, Trish should be in it.
I agree. She realized her mistake and knows she should be arrested.
Fed maybe they should have a second and final season of the defenders
@@srstriker6420 i need it
Fed I know, we all do
I would prefer her being a anti hero that kills and at the end slowly turns insane
Now, see, I love Hellcat for just this reason. She’s a survivor. And she’s a hero because she wants to be one. I think it’s cool they reinvented the character for new eras. Funny thing is she’s long been one of my son’s favorites too...from long before we got around to comparing notes on the subject.
You could easily do a second part to this talking about the differences between the Netflix Hellcat and the on in the comics. One example is, how her and Jessica don't even know each other in the comics, and that its only after the show ended that Marvel will be releasing a comic with them in it together.
I loved Patsy in the old Defenders series. It is where she shined brightest imho.
I’m so glad you made this video because I’ve been trying to understand her forever but now I feel like I’m even more confused because of how weird her backstory is. PS now that I know what her powers Are I still don’t get why she’s on the same team as Doctor Strange, hulk and silver surfer
I really like videos like this. Very streamlined telling of a ridiculous marvel backstory/history.. Keep up the good work!
"Where do you go?"
"When you just wanna have a good time?"
"I hear a voice calling my name."
"Reaching out!"
"It's Patsy! It's Patsy!"
"I really wanna be your friend."
"Hope this day will never end."
"It's Patsy! It's Patsy!"
"I really wanna be a friend of you."
Awesomely researched video. I had no idea the Hellcat/Patsy Walker character had such a complicated history.
I really enjoyed her in Jessica jones I watched the show after season 3 came out and I was in quarantine and I liked her backstory of her being a child star kind of a twist on her being a comic book star but I felt like it helped her age into modern times a bit more I just wish she showed up in she hulk due to her and Jennifer being besties in the comics and that could of easily brought in Jessica jones to the mcu before the daredevil show
I have lovedPatsy Walker/Hellcat ever since I read about her in my dad's old Avengers and Defenders comics from the 1970s and 1980s. I'm still waiting for Marvel to start reprinting her teen comics from the 1940s: I'm surprised that they didn't do it when the Patsy Walker aka Hellcat comic made them such a vital part of the series.
I’ve always had a soft spot for Hell-Cat and would consider her a favourite of Marvel’s ladies as I’ve always enjoyed her popping up in the MU. Thanks for the history lesson! 👍🏼
The 2016 run was great I loved the idea of exploring the domestic lives of heroes
Anyone here who knows 'Pasty' from the comics and not the Netflix shows????
i was aware of her for years and she made some cameo during the time I was reading for instance when Luke Cage needed someone to baby sit his child she was ask and her response was like are you kidden I was a former avenger. They eventually got squirrel girl for the job
The Netflix patsy is no patsy.
Yeah I was reading the Patsy Walker aka Hellcat comics before I started watching JJ
Didn’t even know she was on Netflix
Me I was aware but not aware that she was originally an answer for Archie and also retconned back in 60's.
Honestly like I think Jessica Jones Patsy is much better than the comic version. If they apply the depth and character development from the show to comics I'm sure she can rise from c list character to B
BRYAN G I wish that the defenders had a second and final season against the offenders
@@srstriker6420 maybe
Me too
Jeremy Valery the offenders the polar opposite of the defenders in the comics the members were Red Hulk, Terrex, Tiger shark and Baron Mordo.
@@srstriker6420 oh I see judging by the villains it looks like they were meant to fight the original defenders
Rachel Taylor did great in that role on netflix. i would love to see her headline her own series honestly... hunt down serial killers etc and parkour them in the face..
She needs to be a bit rebooted in order to add any consistency to the character. Cause she has a rich backstory, they can pretty much nitpick any of the content and trim other stuff down. It also feels weird not to reference Hellcat Maggie in relation to the character.
She's still being used
Oh yeah and I had no idea about tigra and what her backstory was all this time so thank you for that too.👍
Well now I know were the "Patsy" nick style teen idol show within the Jessica Jones netflix series came from.
I got a box of Comics from the 1940's-1950's with Patsy Walker when she was with Atlas Comics - Pre Marvel.
Pretty cool just reading that old book.
Weird they never had her, Cheetah and Black Cat form a Feline team or something. Maybe even throw in Shuri.
I think you meant Tigra. Cheetah is a DC character, and a villain.
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And also add in Thornn .... ^_^ (The sister of Feral)
Feral too. Is that the one from the Hellions?
@@KarlKristofferJohnsson Yeah, your right I get those two mixed up
I don't know where it's from, but I actually have seen a comic panel featuring Tigra, Hellcat, and Black Cat fighting... something and commenting on the number of 'mittens' jokes Spider-Man would be making if he were present (they're glad he's not).
I was getting back into comics around 2017 and Hellcat was a one that i picked up along with Gwenpool and honestly loved the comic its fun finding out her long and interesting comic journey
Patsy Walker was a teen TV sitcom caricature in the MCU. The actress playing her blackmailing a scientist into transforming her was a really good save.
Where do you go ♪
When you just wanna have a good time ♫
I hear a voice calling my name ♪
Reaching out, It's Patsy, It's Patsy ♫
I really wanna be your friend ♪
Hope this day will never end ♫
It's Patsy I really wanna be a friend with you ♪
Wow, now I wanna rewatch X-Men First Class after seeing that Beast scene
I certainly had the first issue of The Cat. I had no idea of the history at the time.
I have watched a boat load of your videos. This was probably the best edit one ever. Between the character breakdown the side notes feeling like little side segments. Great freaking job on your research and the edits keep it up!
seems like she would do her best if done in a way akin to Spider-Man or dare devil, ie a street level hero that has a power or 2 and skills or experiances that allows them to help significantly and hold their own along side the avengers when needed
I absolutely adored the version of this character they created for the Jessica Jones show. She was probably one of the best depictions of the abuse and trauma that many child actors sadly go through. Too bad she had almost nothing in common with the comics version of the character, but Marvel does retcon a lot of comic characters to have more in common with their movie/TV version nowadays and Patsy Walker is one I would not mind them doing it to.
That origin story kinda reminds me of Mindy the Model. A slice of life romance character brought into the 616 continuity, only now (from the last I heard) she is a friend of Mary Jane Watson.
The last season did not go how I thought it would. But at least is an ending...
You didnt like it?
The Shannon Channel I have mixed feelings. I wanted Patsy to have a better ending, but she wanted Cray, Cray, & she got it... 😔
@@YunierViada She got cat powers, then created her own personal hell by becoming the bad guy she wanted to fight. It's a good origin story for the character. I could see the government recruiting her from the Raft to join a covert government superteam similar to the Suicide Squad. Heck, Natasha did way worse stuff than kill three murderous psychos the ordinary authorities couldn't handle.
flatebo1 I agree but the series got cancelled so the story dies there :/
I just wanted to see Ritter in costume but at least patsy wore one. Looked sexy
I've always really liked her superhero costume and idky, its really simple and plain but I do really like it
Currently reading the ultimate Spider-Man comics.
Peter watches an advert for some company he's researching & the presenter on this ad is Patsy Walker, which led me to this video. She's only in 3 panels & I just thought it was a really obscure reference.
Hey Drake, great work. I, like you, am a life long comic book reader and fan. I recently took a gig writing for Screenrant and I stumbled across your channel while researching an article about strange romances in Defenders comics, which is why I’m on this video specifically lol. Your concise yet detailed approach is exactly the type of quick reference format I’ve been looking for. Subscribed. Looking forward to digging through your back catalogue. Cheers!
Marvel should seriously consider releasing trades of all those old Patsy Walker comics, as well as one containing all her pre solo title appearances. Like what they did for Squirrel Girl and Mockingbird.
Let us bless Patsy for being the hero in the comic that bestowed to us, the Thanos Copter
Omg, a Thaos Copter exists!? And it did not get a cameo in MCU! What a missed opportunity
I’d love to see her character redeemed and teamed up with Dr Strange. Their mystical powers would be fun to see
Or the Punisher. I think his way of sorting things out would be very appealing to her.
Thank you taking time to produce this. I never knew of all of her history...wow...
Hellcat is one of my favorite superhero’s and I had no clue about this some of this stuff
Imagine HellCat, Dazzler, Jubilee, Firestar, Mr. Immortal & other no names in their own comic book team. That would be awesome.
Firebird, Living Lightning....
We'll call them the No-Name Avengers!
@@kyletowers9662 , Ha, I love it.
There was an article in an old Wizard magazine in which the authors made up a team of Marvel and DC that could handle anything. They walked around to different editors to get suggestions for the team name, and the best anyone could come up with was "the Ass Kickers".
Hey now, the Inhumans may not be as interesting as the X-Men. But the have had some good stories (black bolt series, death of Inhumans and marvel knights), been part of good stories (infinity, war of kings, hickmans fantastic four and others) and gave us kamala kahn, moon girl and other interesting characters. They shouldn't have been pushed soo hard with multiple titles and throwing in a ton of characters at once, but they still deserved to have thier moment to shine. With that said, I respect your opinion and enjoy your vid. Keep up the good work. 👍
I was listening till you mentioned Kamala Khan and Moon Girl. Then I tuned you out...
@@danebarrett237 suit yourself.
If it wasn't for every mutant past present and future having their film rights sold to fox, I'm sure the inhumans would have been called something like next generation mutants and a lot of the hate would go away even if the execution of the stories were the same.
Wow! Its so much! Maybe Marvel thinks its story hidden connections and Easter eggs is what makes MU eternally relevant.
Dude that was an awesome recap of Hellcat! I always wondered about her origin. And I loved that Tigra connection!
I enjoyed Hellcat’s appearances in the 2014 She-Hulk run. Was cool to learn her origins and history.
Hellcat is really underrrated and i might use her for inspiration
I wonder if the in universe TV show "its patsy" from Jessica Jones would have been like a Disney channel version of the old Patsy Walker stories
Patsey Walker aka Hellcat might be one of my favorite books in awhile
I enjoyed this video way more than I thought I would.
I read the 2016 series without any prior knowledge of the character and loved it now that I Know I'm going to go back and reread it
I enjoyed the entirety of the JJ series. I’d love to see these and other street level hero’s picked up and developed on HULU. I’d love to see them develop an anthology series that had 3-4 show arcs with all of the Netflix hero’s along with new ones like Moonknight. Like for instance: Marvel Knights. Start with Hellcat in a 3 show arc being recruited for dark missions for the govt to win back her freedom but drug out over a few years. Next a 4 show arc with the origin of Moonknight, then a 3 or 4 story arc with Daredevil, then Luke Cage, then Tigra, etc, etc, in the 2nd season, do more of them with an eventual culmination of the Offenders or Defenders again. So many possibilities!
Loved the video. I had no idea she had such a colourful past. I remember her from the Defenders comics back in the 70s and 80s when I was a kid. Had no idea she ended marrying Daemon. Keep up the good work.
Patsy seems to be symbolic of the comic's industry as a whole in the 90's
Thanks for this babe - it was great to learn more about her and maybe we will see her again in Thunderbolts. Subscribed.
I remember her run in the Avengers and I always liked her character.
You just ended up just making me like Patsy Walker even more!
Amazing... You are one of unique fellows that explain "Who is Hellcat"
Thanks man!!!
I think it’s great it’s like a good luck charm so they won’t let her go she was there at the beginning like Stan Lee and maybe should be there at the end
the standard superhero stuff is super strength, super stamina, super dexterity, and super resilience/constitution.
Patsy teaches us that while a character/genere may not be for everyone, they're for _someone_ (she's still here after about 80 years). She'd work best as the star of bi-annual OGNs: You get a writer & artist, listen to the pitch & make sure it embraces her history to certain degrees (superheroics, with slice of life subplot). Keep it short, simple and Self-Contained. They may not get awards, but people would talk about them which means more sales.
Watching this as my first video from you, it's pretty awesome
Comic book popularity goes through different stages over the years. American superhero comics have dropped, but its been replaced by Manga, which has surged in popularity.
I feel like Patsy is best as a support character, like she was in She-Hulk comics. Not so much as a superhero. But as a retired hero that's just going with life now.
She's getting married to Iron Man.
I’ve always been a big fan of Hellcat. I mostly remember her from her time with the Avengers and the Defenders. I never understood the references to her past ‘til now, so thanks for that. I bought the 2008 mini and didn’t understand the Daimon Hellstrum(sp) stuff until this video.Though she was only an aside in this video I never quite understood how and why Tigra were a part of the Hellcat narrative though I always liked both heroines.
I could go on about the best stories regarding each character from back in the day but I won’t. Great retrospective of a cool, if not overlooked, heroine.
good video. The Cat, Tigra & hellcat have always enjoyed. I have each of their "1st appearances" & may try to get a copy of Hellcat in her own comic. Thanks for the info!
Interesting how marvel used Hellcat as the deuteragonist of Jessica Jones seasons 1 and 2 and then turned her into the main antagonist of season 3
AKA Hellcat was fun as were her appearances in the various She-Hulk comics.
I don't have Netflix, but have read enough to know that 'Trish' is apparently very different than the lighthearted and frequently goofy 'Patsy' and would be curious to know whether she was meant to be a composite character or something of that nature...
i loved Patsy Walker, A.K.A. Hellcat! it was a really great series
Patsy Walker is 2nd only to She Hulk as my favorite fictional character.
Thanks for all the frequent uploads, Drake! Also, I dig the segmented editing and background music :) keep up the good work.
Hellcat is my favorite super hero, her in Jessica jones season 3 made me sad:/
yeah ...super villain in that show
Her final few scenes were so sad. Her realizing she was the bad guy was akin to somebody finally coming off a bender and seeing all the damage they've done to their lives. She had a messed up childhood that clearly scarred her horrifically. I liked her little head nod at the end and hopefully some day she gets to see Jessica again.
I like it when comic companies revamp very old characters bringing them into the modern day while respecting their past. There are many reason companies do this...
1. Companies can lose the rights to names and characters if they do not continuously publish comics showcasing those names/characters. This has happened with characters like the original Captain Marvel.
2. Using older characters can keep or add readers by appealing to more mature readers.
3. There have been characters who have been become very popular after being unused for decades.
4. Continuing to use such characters improves continuity.
That was great to see! I had a feeling there was more to her than just the Jess Jones series. Maybe do a video on Night Nurse?
This video makes me accept Hellcat MORE. Her history is interesting.