This no-nonsense get-straight-to-problem guy shows up for a service call and starts kicking plumbing problem butt. I started dropping 5-star reviews before I even knew he was a TH-cam star! Tim’s a badass!
This is the classic & professional way of doing things but The greatest problem, is dealing with a client who wants their plumbing problem fixed right now, that's the reality of this business, what works & what works now. Good luck my plumbing brothers. It can be a tough business
Is there an online version of that manual? My house is exceedingly old, and has been band-aided to death by people who (apparently) didn't really know what they were doing. My house is old enough that the bathroom had to be added on to the back of the house. The way the shower got put together is almost frightening. 😱 I'm certainly going to have to visually identify possibly mismatched parts. EDIT: Nevermind... I went to the website and it practically IS the online book. 🤣 THANK YOU so much for the direction to look!
Great detective work here in identifying the manufacturer of the valve; superior approach. And the joy at getting the old seat out is something I can relate to. Though I haven't done it, I've read that doping the seat threads is a good idea.
You’re the man! Yeah, I got a question. How come you don’t just replace the washers if that’s possible. Also, how do you know if there’s a seat in there? I was thinking that you can always just pull those stem valves out and replace those. I have only done Moen stem valves before and I had no idea there was a seat in there or maybe there isn’t Any ways great job! Thank you.
You should turn them on without the sleeves to see if you need to tighten the stem packing. The ones I just installed were squirting water until I tightened (gently and no more than than you need to stop the water from coming out around the stem) the packing nut.
I have two aquaseals with 22 point splines. Are there any newer handles I can use in brushed nickel or stainless steel? All I can find are the original dated American standard handles .
I wish I knew who you were in person so I could send you a picture of what I have going on here in a garage from the '50s with an added on mother-in-law suite as a second floor and they used God knows how many different name brands and products but I've ordered everything down to just wanting to replace the sleeves and knobs for a 12 spline hot and cold knob. Just aesthetic so I wasn't planning on redoing the brass but it does look like it's pretty old so should I just get a cheap set of chrome sleeves with knobs with the 12 point spline star and forget the brass or buy a kit that will work with a new faucet where you pull the plunger up for the shower to come on except on the side of the faucet there is a screw in for a hose line for a shower head so if I pull up on that knob with no hose line connected for a shower head it's just going to come out of the side of the faucet with nothing attached. But there's also the fact that you can put a normal shower head up and pull that plunger up and take a normal shower. My question is I guess tell me what kit I need to buy that's under $50 , Chrome or stainless steel, with new sleeves and knobs, 12 point knobs, already have a overflow and drain assembly I can use to replace that make it look new. Basically I'm trying to replace everything and keep the shower head that is a Moen brand and is new like it is just on a normal shower and then changing out the faucet and when you pull the plunger up on the new faucet there is a chance that the water is going to go out the side on that port you can screw in a hose for a shower head or it will have a part built inside of it that will block it off like a check valve and it will go directly up the pipe in the wall to the original shower head which has been changed out. Bottom line please just tell me what I can get on Amazon under 50 bucks not being a very experienced plumber but definitely no my way around enough to do the jobs. I'm trying to make it where I'll have a stationary shower head pointed directly at me around the chest neck area and then a separate shower head I can connect to the side of the faucet for the tub, and hang that on the new shower head hanger came with it. Connect that one with the hose to the side of the new faucet and screw it on tight, then use the part you would screw the other end of the hose on normally underneath the shower head holder, or the water would normally come out from the wall and put a Moen stationary 5-in or so shower head there so it will be like having to shower heads as long as there's a hanger for the shower head and that existing shower head that is new can screw on the bottom where the hose for the new shower head should be going but won't be because it will be plugged or screwed into the side of the faucet where the water comes out into the tub. Heck I don't care I have a Wi-Fi phone number so text me if you don't mind or call me if you would like anytime any day or night I'm always up but I am disabled and just trying to simply fix up the only place I have to live and making it nice looking new paint and new toothbrush holder, soap dish holder, hand towel holder, paper towel holder, 24-in towel holder all Moen and chrome. The overall length of the brass that is in the wall now for the tub for the hot and cold knobs after taking the sleeves off, are shorter and fatter looking I have the step down kit that came with the new shower knobs but the shower knobs were way too little for that shower even though they were 12 point and do work, they didn't send the sleeves so I'm going to order whatever you suggest or whatever I can find on Amazon. The diameter is the same on the hot and cold. 3/4-in brass with a half inch and then I think 3/8 step downs but the long brass piece that's thin with a 12-point star deal on the end looks just like what I have but the skinny brass part is much shorter than what is in this video. Anything you can suggest that I could look at would be great if I could give you my number somehow let me know I'll message you back on your comments and throw my number and name in a sub comment or something after you've replied and I can reply back. I'm not feeling well right now so things might not make sense but maybe there's just a generic kit that fits everything for 12 point that comes with the collars and knobs normal sized ones not for a RV or something. Thanks for your time
Do you have to replace the seat when you replace the valve? I am having a issue with replacing the valve but it keeps ripping the rubber stop at the bottom of the valve. I was wondering if this is because I havent replaced the seat.
On that replacing that 30 gallon hot water heater I watched that video on them plastic pipes Kern makes plastic rings for b-pex and you can order them and used to expand a gun to put a fitting and they make the fittings to fit there too. We'll have to buy their brass keys and elbows or whatever you need.
I know this is an old book but is there anything similar or have to be a pro plumber to have it ? Cuz l see you ignored everyone asking the same question!
Omg that tool extension u used. Cant get that part loose because it was too tight in the first place now it’s damaged so it wont cone out. Help! Note: I fixed one side. Was able to replace the seat.
Now what if the valves were replaced incorrectly by previous owners causing a tight handle (universal) steady drip. how do you know what valve to use ?
Got a handle that is seized on. Screw comes out. Handle does not want to come off. Any ideas? Great repair. Thinking cuts your work down a lot. Thank you for the lesson, Tim. Stay safe and stay cool
Sometimes you have to break them off and get new stems and handles.... universal handles suck so it’s best to match them up if you can. Because universal handles eventually strip out we have found but it will get them by
Try putting some vinegar in the screw hole of the handle. After that soaks in for a bit, start wiggling the handle while simultaneously pulling gently (you can use a channel lock (with jaws taped for non-scratching) for this).
everything seemed straightforward to me except for removing the valve seats -- the part where you are inserting the large square tool and removing those recessed components. Is this something that all shower valve stem replacement jobs will require? I was under the impression that if I simply remove the stem with the large cylindrical wrench, and then thread in a brand new stem, then the job will basically be done. is this incorrect?
Technically yes. But you should inspect the valve stem seat for burs or deformities prior to installing the new stem. It was explained to me about 98% of plumbers leave the old seat in there if its good.
@@PLUMBINGWITHTIM Tim thanks for the Video.. I am a retired paramedic and certainly not a plumber. My shower stems are about 40 years old and I just replaced the valve stem gaskets. Everything is fine.. just wondering if my stem looks almost identical to yours, it should be a Sayco. Or are there like 10 Different valve stems that can look really close to each other.. I am interested now in replacing the valve seats. I have no idea how to match a valve seats with an unknown valvestem. Thanks Tim
Ok so my bathroom is about 20 years old the other day I turned off the water and the water was still running! it's always dripped, but never like it was still on! so, my dad checked it out and said I needed to replace stems, cool! So he didn't find the stems exact match, they looked longer but they fit. He replace everything and everything is working amazing However now there's water dripping in the bedroom below the bathroom.😫 I looked at this video and others and what I've discovered is that he didn't replace the seats🤦🏾♀️ could this be why it's now leaking downstairs? Please help! my Dad is very stubborn, looks like I need to do this myself b4 I have a bigger problems.
@@chrismallory3718 Thank you I had to go buy the correct stems, he put some in that wasn't as fat 🤦🏾♀️ I forget the name of the correct ones, they start with a P, but my dad had a Gerber set or however way you say it lol 🙄 when I was in the store I also got the seats and that special tool to remove and replace the seats. I replaced everything and the bathtubs faucet is working fine no leaks.🤗
Great video. I need your help. I have owned my new home for 2 years. The guest bathroom has a cold , hit abd shiwer/bath diverter. I need help finding the diverter. I took pictures of it and it has no part numbers. Please help its leaking bad. Thank you.
the only valve that's ever given me problems with seats is a kohler they seem to crumble just the valves from the 80s the really old kohlers were gorillas
Sorry none of this worked for me - I shoulda gotten to conclusions much sooner = buy the whole 2 or 3-handle shower bronze valve assembly with valve stems, trim, knobs etc. cut out the old, install new. I used copper to pex connectors for flexibility in fitting install in tight space. This, of course, is the $250 worth of parts fix instead of $40 in valve stems but it woulda saved me 3 days of parts hunting. BTW, AI visual recognition/ ID apps on iPhone (great idea if only) did not function at all. I also plowed through catalogues at Plumbing distributors and visited multiple plumbing stores with my old valves in hand.
Best plumber that I've found on TH-cam so far. I wish I could send pictures of my 2 handle valve.
This no-nonsense get-straight-to-problem guy shows up for a service call and starts kicking plumbing problem butt. I started dropping 5-star reviews before I even knew he was a TH-cam star! Tim’s a badass!
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GREAT CONCRET EXPLANATION! YOU ARE THE KING!
Thanks for the Central Components Company tip. Their site helped me ID the replacement parts I needed!
I had no idea about that book. The website is great too. Thanks man I actually learned something.
This is the classic & professional way of doing things but The greatest problem, is dealing with a client who wants their plumbing problem fixed right now, that's the reality of this business, what works & what works now. Good luck my plumbing brothers. It can be a tough business
So, I went to the site you mention and found my part, and it turns out, it's the same one you have in this video! What a wild coincidence!
Is there an online version of that manual? My house is exceedingly old, and has been band-aided to death by people who (apparently) didn't really know what they were doing. My house is old enough that the bathroom had to be added on to the back of the house. The way the shower got put together is almost frightening. 😱 I'm certainly going to have to visually identify possibly mismatched parts.
EDIT: Nevermind... I went to the website and it practically IS the online book. 🤣
THANK YOU so much for the direction to look!
Outstanding video that taught me exactly what I needed to know. Thank you Tim.
I work maintenance on a lot of older homes. I need that book. thanks for the tip.
Great detective work here in identifying the manufacturer of the valve; superior approach. And the joy at getting the old seat out is something I can relate to. Though I haven't done it, I've read that doping the seat threads is a good idea.
Great research and great job Tim, keep the video's coming!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Using the racheting wrench in the search tool is genius. I'm going to have to copy that. Thanks
Is replacing the seats a must, Tim? Thank you for your time.
It was great watching you work. You explained everything well. This helped me so much. Thank you.
Thanks for the video Tim. Greetings from the Netherlands
Great Job!!
Great video. You explain things thoroughly. 👍🏻
Super helpful! Thanks for making this video. Cool hand painted handles lol!!
Hello from Ireland Great content as always Tim👌👌👌
Great Work. Thank you for sharing
Hey Tim, can you provide a link to that seat wrench you are using
I need that book. Does Central sell those?
I need that book too.
Same
Ditto
You’re the man! Yeah, I got a question. How come you don’t just replace the washers if that’s possible. Also, how do you know if there’s a seat in there? I was thinking that you can always just pull those stem valves out and replace those. I have only done Moen stem valves before and I had no idea there was a seat in there or maybe there isn’t Any ways great job! Thank you.
You should turn them on without the sleeves to see if you need to tighten the stem packing. The ones I just installed were squirting water until I tightened (gently and no more than than you need to stop the water from coming out around the stem) the packing nut.
Is that Central Components Catalog still available?
I have two aquaseals with 22 point splines. Are there any newer handles I can use in brushed nickel or stainless steel? All I can find are the original dated American standard handles .
Nice video! Dumb question: did you seal the escutcheons?
What's that thing that you use to take out the stem I really really need that
Muy buenas y muy claras explicaciones! Gracias @PLUMBING WITH TIM 👏👏👏👌
Where can I get this book or one like this? Thanks Tim
Those handles look like the Danco remodeling kit for Sayco.
How do I know that? I just bought the kit and I'm looking at the handles. Identical.
👍👍👍
we have the exact set up as your thumbnail to this video!
what is that?
the control ball is kind of gritty... replace everything?☹️
Where can I purchase the book?
I wish I knew who you were in person so I could send you a picture of what I have going on here in a garage from the '50s with an added on mother-in-law suite as a second floor and they used God knows how many different name brands and products but I've ordered everything down to just wanting to replace the sleeves and knobs for a 12 spline hot and cold knob. Just aesthetic so I wasn't planning on redoing the brass but it does look like it's pretty old so should I just get a cheap set of chrome sleeves with knobs with the 12 point spline star and forget the brass or buy a kit that will work with a new faucet where you pull the plunger up for the shower to come on except on the side of the faucet there is a screw in for a hose line for a shower head so if I pull up on that knob with no hose line connected for a shower head it's just going to come out of the side of the faucet with nothing attached. But there's also the fact that you can put a normal shower head up and pull that plunger up and take a normal shower. My question is I guess tell me what kit I need to buy that's under $50 , Chrome or stainless steel, with new sleeves and knobs, 12 point knobs, already have a overflow and drain assembly I can use to replace that make it look new. Basically I'm trying to replace everything and keep the shower head that is a Moen brand and is new like it is just on a normal shower and then changing out the faucet and when you pull the plunger up on the new faucet there is a chance that the water is going to go out the side on that port you can screw in a hose for a shower head or it will have a part built inside of it that will block it off like a check valve and it will go directly up the pipe in the wall to the original shower head which has been changed out. Bottom line please just tell me what I can get on Amazon under 50 bucks not being a very experienced plumber but definitely no my way around enough to do the jobs. I'm trying to make it where I'll have a stationary shower head pointed directly at me around the chest neck area and then a separate shower head I can connect to the side of the faucet for the tub, and hang that on the new shower head hanger came with it. Connect that one with the hose to the side of the new faucet and screw it on tight, then use the part you would screw the other end of the hose on normally underneath the shower head holder, or the water would normally come out from the wall and put a Moen stationary 5-in or so shower head there so it will be like having to shower heads as long as there's a hanger for the shower head and that existing shower head that is new can screw on the bottom where the hose for the new shower head should be going but won't be because it will be plugged or screwed into the side of the faucet where the water comes out into the tub. Heck I don't care I have a Wi-Fi phone number so text me if you don't mind or call me if you would like anytime any day or night I'm always up but I am disabled and just trying to simply fix up the only place I have to live and making it nice looking new paint and new toothbrush holder, soap dish holder, hand towel holder, paper towel holder, 24-in towel holder all Moen and chrome. The overall length of the brass that is in the wall now for the tub for the hot and cold knobs after taking the sleeves off, are shorter and fatter looking I have the step down kit that came with the new shower knobs but the shower knobs were way too little for that shower even though they were 12 point and do work, they didn't send the sleeves so I'm going to order whatever you suggest or whatever I can find on Amazon. The diameter is the same on the hot and cold. 3/4-in brass with a half inch and then I think 3/8 step downs but the long brass piece that's thin with a 12-point star deal on the end looks just like what I have but the skinny brass part is much shorter than what is in this video. Anything you can suggest that I could look at would be great if I could give you my number somehow let me know I'll message you back on your comments and throw my number and name in a sub comment or something after you've replied and I can reply back. I'm not feeling well right now so things might not make sense but maybe there's just a generic kit that fits everything for 12 point that comes with the collars and knobs normal sized ones not for a RV or something. Thanks for your time
Do you have to replace the seat when you replace the valve? I am having a issue with replacing the valve but it keeps ripping the rubber stop at the bottom of the valve. I was wondering if this is because I havent replaced the seat.
Make sure the valve is in the open position before you install
We need your plumbing experience over here in Hernando County.
Nice info to find old parts. Why not put the handles on so they are pointing the same way as each other?
On that replacing that 30 gallon hot water heater I watched that video on them plastic pipes Kern makes plastic rings for b-pex and you can order them and used to expand a gun to put a fitting and they make the fittings to fit there too. We'll have to buy their brass keys and elbows or whatever you need.
But what if the stems you pull out are aftermarket stems? Anyway to know what stems were originally there?
When he went “I hope it turns” at 9:00 does anyone know that he took out and what it does? Also is it necessary to take out?
Its the seat that the rubber washer seals against.
Where could I find that book
How do you know if the valves are bad? Its not leaking but the water flow is pretty low.
Nice work.
Tim I need one of those plumbing bible how can I get one in Jamaica
Where can I get that book?
I know this is an old book but is there anything similar or have to be a pro plumber to have it ? Cuz l see you ignored everyone asking the same question!
How much did it cost to fix this prob?
You have then golden book how do i get my hands on it ??
Omg that tool extension u used. Cant get that part loose because it was too tight in the first place now it’s damaged so it wont cone out. Help!
Note: I fixed one side. Was able to replace the seat.
Can you put plumber grease on the end of the splines on the stem to make getting the handles off easier later?
How can I get a book that you are referencing?
Now what if the valves were replaced incorrectly by previous owners causing a tight handle (universal) steady drip. how do you know what valve to use ?
Got a handle that is seized on. Screw comes out. Handle does not want to come off. Any ideas? Great repair. Thinking cuts your work down a lot. Thank you for the lesson, Tim. Stay safe and stay cool
Sometimes you have to break them off and get new stems and handles.... universal handles suck so it’s best to match them up if you can. Because universal handles eventually strip out we have found but it will get them by
Try putting some vinegar in the screw hole of the handle. After that soaks in for a bit, start wiggling the handle while simultaneously pulling gently (you can use a channel lock (with jaws taped for non-scratching) for this).
everything seemed straightforward to me except for removing the valve seats -- the part where you are inserting the large square tool and removing those recessed components. Is this something that all shower valve stem replacement jobs will require? I was under the impression that if I simply remove the stem with the large cylindrical wrench, and then thread in a brand new stem, then the job will basically be done. is this incorrect?
Technically yes. But you should inspect the valve stem seat for burs or deformities prior to installing the new stem. It was explained to me about 98% of plumbers leave the old seat in there if its good.
Can I send you a picture of my hor water stem and you can identify it for me. I cannot. Lowes cannot. House built in 1962. Thanks
where can you buy this book central component company
How do I get a copy of the PLUMBING BIBLE
Is it usualy better to just buy new stem assembles rather than try and replace the washers/0rings and re-use the old brass?
Yes
@@PLUMBINGWITHTIM Tim thanks for the Video.. I am a retired paramedic and certainly not a plumber. My shower stems are about 40 years old and I just replaced the valve stem gaskets. Everything is fine.. just wondering if my stem looks almost identical to yours, it should be a Sayco. Or are there like 10 Different valve stems that can look really close to each other.. I am interested now in replacing the valve seats. I have no idea how to match a valve seats with an unknown valvestem. Thanks Tim
Ok so my bathroom is about 20 years old the other day I turned off the water and the water was still running! it's always dripped, but never like it was still on! so, my dad checked it out and said I needed to replace stems, cool! So he didn't find the stems exact match, they looked longer but they fit. He replace everything and everything is working amazing However now there's water dripping in the bedroom below the bathroom.😫
I looked at this video and others and what I've discovered is that he didn't replace the seats🤦🏾♀️ could this be why it's now leaking downstairs? Please help! my Dad is very stubborn, looks like I need to do this myself b4 I have a bigger problems.
Or the stems aren't tight enough or the stems he replaced it with has different threads and waters getting by
@@chrismallory3718 Thank you I had to go buy the correct stems, he put some in that wasn't as fat 🤦🏾♀️ I forget the name of the correct ones, they start with a P, but my dad had a Gerber set or however way you say it lol 🙄 when I was in the store I also got the seats and that special tool to remove and replace the seats. I replaced everything and the bathtubs faucet is working fine no leaks.🤗
@@Toya_FitChick no problem
Great video. I need your help. I have owned my new home for 2 years. The guest bathroom has a cold , hit abd shiwer/bath diverter. I need help finding the diverter. I took pictures of it and it has no part numbers. Please help its leaking bad. Thank you.
I can't find that manual anywhere
icannot find my stem valve anywhere..wish i could send u a pic here…
txs for sharing...
I called it sayco , I carry them in my van
It looks like CCC changed their logo. I would like to get a catalog like that. Instead of taking the stems to the store.
What if I can’t find a replacement stem?
the only valve that's ever given me problems with seats is a kohler they seem to crumble just the valves from the 80s the really old kohlers were gorillas
Sorry none of this worked for me - I shoulda gotten to conclusions much sooner = buy the whole 2 or 3-handle shower bronze valve assembly with valve stems, trim, knobs etc. cut out the old, install new. I used copper to pex connectors for flexibility in fitting install in tight space. This, of course, is the $250 worth of parts fix instead of $40 in valve stems but it woulda saved me 3 days of parts hunting.
BTW, AI visual recognition/ ID apps on iPhone (great idea if only) did not function at all. I also plowed through catalogues at Plumbing distributors and visited multiple plumbing stores with my old valves in hand.
I'd have lost some money on this one. Was sure those seats weren't coming out.
could have done without the extremely loud sound effects at the beginning of the video
Not the same stems…
this is one of the most common valve used in the 80s it's a cheap pos
Bro you need to buy some fingernail clippers in the worse kind of way