I swapped from a tbss to the same intake and lost a ridiculous amount of et at the track. Ripped it off threw the tbss back on and all the et came back. Glad to see my track results lining up with the dyno. I bet it would be a more dramatic loss vs a tbss. It sucks tho because they do look nice.
i am going to try it on some larger cam stuff, but i disagree with it being an RPM boi as its laid over before it will goto 7500, would like to try an all motor car with a big ass cam and see if it can do anything up there also, but for your average street turbo ls its a clear loss
That TB adapter doesn’t have the port for the IAC to work, if you had trouble getting it to idle. I chased my tail with that on a truck that someone brought me to tune.
Thanks for testing! I see now that using a muffler to build the intake is not a good deal. All kidding aside I think the popularity of these intakes is witness to the fact that most people build for looks and they equate looks with performance.
Not a Sheet metal, but on my Sierra, 6.0, stock 317s, TBSS, 78mm TB, Turbo deal would run 5.7s/9.0s, tried a Hi ram for science and lost 2 tenths and 2 mph through the 8th/etc. even on a 1050-1100 rwhp set up at 4300lbs, shifting at 7400, the TBSS just worked better. was having to leave with much more boost with hi ram and took twice as long to make it. Went right back to TBSS.
Rock solid comparison, Matt. I wonder what the inside of the intake looks like. Always sad seeing some of these intakes on builds where it's pretty apparent they spent some coin on the rest of the car.
it has trumpets 1/3 way up into intake, i did a video showing off the quality wich is actually good, but sad that it doesnt make same or less, i guess if you have a cruiser or want it to look good and dont mind the loss, its a good option at least
It's a real short runner with a velocity stack top kinda looks like a velocity stack itb setup with an aluminum "box" built around it. I'm sure this intake would pick up power north of 7200rpm but at that point it's impractical
Not surprised one bit ! I definitely can still appreciate the test tho. It's been proven multiple times now, i hope people stop using them. Unless ALL you care about is that look..... There's just soo many great options these days, we're definitely lucky !
It's wiggly, but looks like around 6200rpm it's staaarting to cross over, which makes sense. Those sheet metal intakes are just way too short. And yes, audio is fixed! Sounds good
I was thinking any gains would be like 6000 maybe 6500 which seems to be the case so unless you have a cam making power out there it doesn't make sense to run it for power but people do stuff for looks and sounds a lot
I feel NA will be more results like these. Maybe with built heads and a thumper cam it may tie... maybe. Thanks for taking the time for the video. Nothing better than real world tests to put the chatter to bed.
I swapped from a TBSS to this sheet metal high runner one. Killed all the torque on spool up, but up top I feel like it keeps pulling. I’ve also picked up ET with it but maybe it was luck. Combo is 4.8 ss2 vsr t4 80mm
All I could imagine would be that intake, if it was ever going to work better than ab early truck, might only be effective with a big cam, possibly big ci, beyond 6500rpms and with a 92mm+ TB. On a 6L or less, lower rpms, basic turbo system, I am not surprised it is less effective. Maybe it would be a good choice for someone who wants to nerf low rpm power...if they are trying to keep a 4L60 alive, have traction issues...have an electronic wastegate and they plan to feed in tons of boost upstairs so it doesn't matter...just trying to find some positive here, I suppose it could have been worse and killed more power. Maybe the 87+mm TB would make it closer to even. Thanks for confirming what we all probably suspected. Maybe some maniac that Banzai revs, 7000-7800rpms, a 4.8/5.3/5.7/6.0/6.2 might find some power with a 102 way up high, it would depend heavily as to if they would be quicker, would have to be a very light car, high stall, dialed situation, Don't B.S. Me stuff will likely be slower unless they had traction issues that benefit from less tq😂 😂😂😂
Isn't this like pulling a stock intake off a 6000rpm 327 and putting a big single plane high rise intake for a 400 turning 7500 rpm and being surprised it lost power?
i feel like everyone sits farther back than me, i wanna be able to crush all pedals to the firewall without full extension so an impact wont reverse them, just me though
Just went from 241 heads/ls1 intake to prc ls3 260 heads/sniper sheetmetal intake on my 408"/borg 85mm. I hope spinning it to 7k will let this intake work....
Hi, great test Matt! Now I want to ask your opinion from all your testing and all your dyno pulls of turbo cars. I have a 72 nova, 6.0 LQ4 with twin S366 turbos, intercooler, TBSS intake, 799 heads, 150 pounders, 15 lbs boost, turbo 400, 3.42 gears, terminator x. However, on the TBSS intake, I'm still running the Gen III stock truck intake cable throttle body with adapter! lol Car runs great and pulls strong now. Do you think it is worth it for the cost to upgrade the throttle body to a cable 92 mm and by doing this I will see a significant boost in performance from the throttle body swap? I'm guessing it won't make a big difference and be mostly a wasted cost. My buddy thinks it will be a huge difference! From all your experienced educated dyno pulls & thoughts what is your opinion? I have read the performance increase from the larger throttle body is is an illusion because a larger throttle body lets more air in earlier feeling like more hp from the gas pedal earlier, but its really close to the same part throttle & max hp numbers? Thank you so much for all your great videos Matt! Bob
@@SloppyMechanics Hi Matt, Im in Arkansas! Just wondering if a larger throttle body will truly make a difference to justify the added cost! Thanks man!
How bout a real life test with the Holley Hi-ram ? 🤔 I know I have way too much manifold with the HI - ram but I’m curious on how awful my 4.8 don’t bs me build is going to be with it 🤦♂️. P.s I just like the look of it lol only reason why I’m running it …don’t judge me 🤣🤣🤣
Great video! Did you do any testing with the 92mm throttle body? Ive got two of these intakes and i know theyre junk however i would like to somehow justify it to myself.. maybe it does marginslly better with the 92mm 😂
i didnt yet but i plan to on our all motor bmw swap if i can get it all together i have a ls1 intake with a 92 adaptor and this intake with 92mm open, so it would be same throttle with the two intakes to get the other side
Clearly you used the wrong bolts in the chinese intake because it's the best bang for your buck. I know it to be true because someone on the internet told me. 🤣🤣
mic in the car and on camera again, how you like the live commentary
also did chapters and descriptions in time line this time, lmk if you like that
@@SloppyMechanics crystal clear! Love it!
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Reality tv show quality 🎉
love the live commentary. Sounds great
@@rogergm92 Reality TV: "This manifold better make more power...OR WE'LL LOSE THE SHOP!"
All those 9 year olds at the foundry are gonna be really disappointed with these results.
I swapped from a tbss to the same intake and lost a ridiculous amount of et at the track. Ripped it off threw the tbss back on and all the et came back. Glad to see my track results lining up with the dyno. I bet it would be a more dramatic loss vs a tbss. It sucks tho because they do look nice.
yep its a 10% loss, so if you're making 500whp its 50whp instead of 30 ish
Would love to see the tbss vs stock truck
I think the tbss is the most common upgrade for street trucks
@@RUTHLESS_TUNED I think Matt already dyno tested that a while back
You need to add the matching up and forward ebay headers for the full amazon performance/suck package
I love these tests. Thanks for sharing your time. We know time = $$$
This was awesome. I’m a recovering SBC owner so I’m new to the channel and don’t know the difference. Need to go check out the older ones!
Mic and two people in the car is gold video material! You should do more of these
i literall bought the setup to do it, way better than just car noises
It's a 7500-8000 rpm intake that you're only running to 6500 rpm. I wouldn't expect it to do better.
i am going to try it on some larger cam stuff, but i disagree with it being an RPM boi as its laid over before it will goto 7500, would like to try an all motor car with a big ass cam and see if it can do anything up there also, but for your average street turbo ls its a clear loss
That TB adapter doesn’t have the port for the IAC to work, if you had trouble getting it to idle. I chased my tail with that on a truck that someone brought me to tune.
Thanks for testing! I see now that using a muffler to build the intake is not a good deal. All kidding aside I think the popularity of these intakes is witness to the fact that most people build for looks and they equate looks with performance.
Not a Sheet metal, but on my Sierra, 6.0, stock 317s, TBSS, 78mm TB, Turbo deal would run 5.7s/9.0s, tried a Hi ram for science and lost 2 tenths and 2 mph through the 8th/etc. even on a 1050-1100 rwhp set up at 4300lbs, shifting at 7400, the TBSS just worked better. was having to leave with much more boost with hi ram and took twice as long to make it. Went right back to TBSS.
Rock solid comparison, Matt. I wonder what the inside of the intake looks like.
Always sad seeing some of these intakes on builds where it's pretty apparent they spent some coin on the rest of the car.
it has trumpets 1/3 way up into intake, i did a video showing off the quality wich is actually good, but sad that it doesnt make same or less, i guess if you have a cruiser or want it to look good and dont mind the loss, its a good option at least
It's a real short runner with a velocity stack top kinda looks like a velocity stack itb setup with an aluminum "box" built around it. I'm sure this intake would pick up power north of 7200rpm but at that point it's impractical
@@SloppyMechanics maybe it works better with a bigger cam geared towards high rpm? Short intake runners usually favor rpm
Would love to see this for the mythical “up and forward” headers question.
Not surprised one bit !
I definitely can still appreciate the test tho. It's been proven multiple times now, i hope people stop using them.
Unless ALL you care about is that look.....
There's just soo many great options these days, we're definitely lucky !
Cesar Enriquez had impressive results with the Chi-Ram on a rec port swapped gen 3 6.0, over 500 whp.
It's wiggly, but looks like around 6200rpm it's staaarting to cross over, which makes sense. Those sheet metal intakes are just way too short. And yes, audio is fixed! Sounds good
I was thinking any gains would be like 6000 maybe 6500 which seems to be the case so unless you have a cam making power out there it doesn't make sense to run it for power but people do stuff for looks and sounds a lot
going to try on motor with SS3 cam when i can line it all up
I feel NA will be more results like these. Maybe with built heads and a thumper cam it may tie... maybe. Thanks for taking the time for the video. Nothing better than real world tests to put the chatter to bed.
Thanks for the info. Mics are sounding great btw
Shout out to Richard holder,
No MA, Gimme breadBASKET
I swapped from a TBSS to this sheet metal high runner one. Killed all the torque on spool up, but up top I feel like it keeps pulling. I’ve also picked up ET with it but maybe it was luck. Combo is 4.8 ss2 vsr t4 80mm
But you do RPM that 4.8 pretty hard. Above 7000 I’ve noticed it picks up huge over long runner intakes. Sucks that’s a hi ram is 1000 $
@@jacksonwalton7404 you ain’t lying lol
Thank you Matt!!
All I could imagine would be that intake, if it was ever going to work better than ab early truck, might only be effective with a big cam, possibly big ci, beyond 6500rpms and with a 92mm+ TB. On a 6L or less, lower rpms, basic turbo system, I am not surprised it is less effective. Maybe it would be a good choice for someone who wants to nerf low rpm power...if they are trying to keep a 4L60 alive, have traction issues...have an electronic wastegate and they plan to feed in tons of boost upstairs so it doesn't matter...just trying to find some positive here, I suppose it could have been worse and killed more power. Maybe the 87+mm TB would make it closer to even. Thanks for confirming what we all probably suspected. Maybe some maniac that Banzai revs, 7000-7800rpms, a 4.8/5.3/5.7/6.0/6.2 might find some power with a 102 way up high, it would depend heavily as to if they would be quicker, would have to be a very light car, high stall, dialed situation, Don't B.S. Me stuff will likely be slower unless they had traction issues that benefit from less tq😂 😂😂😂
Isn't this like pulling a stock intake off a 6000rpm 327 and putting a big single plane high rise intake for a 400 turning 7500 rpm and being surprised it lost power?
Would love to see TBSS vs sheet metal. 92mm since that’s the most common set ups
Ouch, looks like i need to ditch the Jegs intake on my 4.8/88mm Vega project...
This is awesome to see
It would be interesting to have EGT's to see how bad the intake runner distribution is on the chyna boy
Test the China ram next
Great info thanks for sharing. 
You should test the Dorman truck intake.
"My legs are short I'm sorry!" lol I feel that comment daily.
i feel like everyone sits farther back than me, i wanna be able to crush all pedals to the firewall without full extension so an impact wont reverse them, just me though
I only run sheet metal intakes to flex at the car shows. 💪🏼
Just went from 241 heads/ls1 intake to prc ls3 260 heads/sniper sheetmetal intake on my 408"/borg 85mm. I hope spinning it to 7k will let this intake work....
It'll have significant losses everywhere below 6500 rpm.
Cool stuff. Thanks
this is awesome. thanks for doin this.
Not surprising at all. Good to see tests to verify intuition.
I did the same test two years ago with na 5.3 and the metal intake lost hp/tq everywhere under 6k.
Hi, great test Matt! Now I want to ask your opinion from all your testing and all your dyno pulls of turbo cars. I have a 72 nova, 6.0 LQ4 with twin S366 turbos, intercooler, TBSS intake, 799 heads, 150 pounders, 15 lbs boost, turbo 400, 3.42 gears, terminator x. However, on the TBSS intake, I'm still running the Gen III stock truck intake cable throttle body with adapter! lol Car runs great and pulls strong now. Do you think it is worth it for the cost to upgrade the throttle body to a cable 92 mm and by doing this I will see a significant boost in performance from the throttle body swap? I'm guessing it won't make a big difference and be mostly a wasted cost. My buddy thinks it will be a huge difference! From all your experienced educated dyno pulls & thoughts what is your opinion? I have read the performance increase from the larger throttle body is is an illusion because a larger throttle body lets more air in earlier feeling like more hp from the gas pedal earlier, but its really close to the same part throttle & max hp numbers? Thank you so much for all your great videos Matt! Bob
are you near Allentown area and can we swap on dyno?
@@SloppyMechanics Hi Matt, Im in Arkansas! Just wondering if a larger throttle body will truly make a difference to justify the added cost! Thanks man!
@@robertbroderick3896 i should be able to test this on our all motor bmw
@@SloppyMechanics Cool beans! I will love to see the actual wheel dyno results! If I lived closer I would swing by! lol Bob
You need 3" intercooler pipes for 450-700hp, 3.5" up to 900, 4" above that fwiw.
Rubbermaid ftw
Sounding good
How bout a real life test with the Holley Hi-ram ? 🤔
I know I have way too much manifold with the HI - ram but I’m curious on how awful my 4.8 don’t bs me build is going to be with it 🤦♂️. P.s I just like the look of it lol only reason why I’m running it …don’t judge me 🤣🤣🤣
i lost a ton of bottom end on my 2500 truck with a 80/102, you could feel it on the street
I bet if you ran it out to 7500-8000 rpm, you would see a gain. Thats the only place.
Great video! Did you do any testing with the 92mm throttle body? Ive got two of these intakes and i know theyre junk however i would like to somehow justify it to myself.. maybe it does marginslly better with the 92mm 😂
i didnt yet but i plan to on our all motor bmw swap if i can get it all together i have a ls1 intake with a 92 adaptor and this intake with 92mm open, so it would be same throttle with the two intakes to get the other side
@SloppyMechanics looking forward to it!
Guess TBSS intake for the win?
i already have back to back on my colorado dont bs me build and it was a 10% gain over the gen3 truck
So are the new summit intakes more like these or more closely matching the Holley line.
i have a new summit on my mustang, trans is broken so hopefully soon for that
Dyno "shootour" ?? ;)
Shlooter strip
- poof - fixed! :D
@@DrFiero i rely on you guys
@@SloppyMechanics At least the audio is good.
@@wobblysauce yes i cant give too many things for callouts
It looks like it wants to do 10,000 RPMs...
it isnt on an incline up top so i doubt it, same with civic owners that tell me to keep revving it like itll grow a second wind
Paving AND dyno?!
dyno and paving
Its seems like the only thing these have going for them is being a cheap car intake
yep if you have nothing its cheaper than getting stock intakes anymore, also if you want it to look nice it can do that also
@@SloppyMechanics definitely!
When I see these intakes on builds where tons of money is invested everywhere else I laugh because I know they’re crap.
Clearly you used the wrong bolts in the chinese intake because it's the best bang for your buck. I know it to be true because someone on the internet told me. 🤣🤣
Needs more than 7,000rpm. It sucks.
doubtful but i will try to get it on a big cam all motor car for science