i am actually not surprised that gfx came that close especially with a single shot. Its a fantastic camera. Fuji has made a huge breakthro bringing cropped medium format at almost 1/5 the cost ( i have a gfx100s) . That said, since i mainly shoot landscapes, i would be petrified to take something like this hassey into the mountains and national park on hikes.. my fuji has been in rain and snow and still works like a charm . Fuji definitely need to work more on their pixel shift which is their sensor actually moving on ibis along with computation . its much more challenging on a bigger sensor unlike a small micro four third sensor on olympus. very soon computational photography will overcome limitations we face with photography today. Or will phase one and hassey compete in the same market with slightly more robust cameras and ibis and all those bells and whistles with a slightly lower price point but a greatly better image quality ( visible without pixel peeping)? I would buy one in a heartbeat! great times to be in !
My experience with gfx 100s is completely different and honestly, much better results. My old hasselblads didn't have this option so I can't compare to a hasselblad, but you should definitely check this problem with fuji, or maybe add a delay between shots to see it was up to you or the camera is faulty.
Great video! Very glad to have found your channel. I know a pro landscape photographer using the GFX50s II who has stopped using the camera’s pixel-shift mode in favor of upscaling in PS instead. I have a new 50s II and will be trying out pixel-shift with it, but will certainly keep Topaz Lab’s Gigapixel software in mind. It did an amazing job with the GFX100 files in your video. Very helpful. Thanks!
H cameras with wide open non wide angle lenses at short distances can only focus correctly when using the "True Focus" function. Press shutter button halfway to focus maintain it, then press true focus button with the right thumb (rear of the handgrip) and maintain it during reframing and until shutter is released. Without this procedure focus is never dead-on with wide open apertures and short distances
I'm pretty sure there is some issue with stability in the fuji, maybe internal vibration. The pixel-shifted fuji image looked worse than the normal fuji one.
That’s not true, it’s about both. That’s how these features are marketed. That’s what these features are used for. Archiving is one of the kind of photography this is used for and it’s one of the key benefits.
Great video. I would say that the GFX100 + Gigapixel software is a great combo. In your last video you showed how great the Fuji is in terms of things like autofocus. It seems like a more well-rounded or practical camera compared to the Hasselblad and waaaaay cheaper. I think if you used that Fuji as a "regular" camera, took those 100MP files and upscaled them, it would an excellent landscape camera. P.S. I think you have a typo in the title of the video. Hasselblad*
Actually tried the test a whole bunch of times to prevent issues. Tethered shooting with a delay on each image too. The Hasselblad was shot at a slower shutter speed by the way.
Good comparison, but perhaps a short discussion about how different RAW processors handle file rendition of the Hasselblad v. Fuji files. Fuji files are notoriously poorly rendered in Lightroom or ACR. Software can have a large effect on image quality.
Fujifilm files were processed in Capture One and brought into Lightroom as Tiff files for the comparison. Hasselblad files were processed in Phocus and brought into Lightroom after that too. I discuss this point around the 3 minute mark :).
Hello, I'd like to know if you could have a comparison between Hasselblad H6D 400c and Phase One XF IQ4 150mp planned. It would be interesting to see if the single shot and even better the Hasselblad 4 & 6 multi-shot manages to outperform the 150mp IQ4 back in both sharpness and color rendering. I look forward to your welcome response, thank you. Sincerely. Pierpaolo
Not really, the primary features advertised are resolution and detail. You can make your own interpretation but I have to go with what Fuji and Hassy say.
I have seen side by side Fuji vs Hasselblad pixel shifting and Hasselblad wins hands down. Hasselblad does 4 shoots and retain the same pixel counting but in 6 shots mode the pixel counting increases. Fuji needs 16 shoots and only works with continuos light. Hasselblad can use continuous and flash light. Side by side at the same magnification Hasselblad files looks better more detailed and with a better tonality.
Wow, what a difference. Does the X2D also offer pixel shift? No doubt, HNCS delivers amazing results. A comparison GFX100s vs X2D would be interesting. Versatility of GFX100s (you may e.g. adapt all tilt-shift lenses from Canon an Nikon) vs. HNCS colour accuracy. The GFX and X lenses are for sure even, afaik Fujinon produces e.g. the Hasselblad H lenses, the X I don’t know…
Can’t sync flash with pixel shifting?? Hmm interesting. I was able to use flash on my GFX 100s with flash (speedatron) and worked flawlessly!! I was also using electronic shutter too. I used the Electronic Front shutter mode. Now as far as image quality with the Gigapixel being easier and better for upscaling. Yeah I agree there. But you can use it with flash if you want. FYI
hum interesting video, but what if you could redo the test with the same focus point? at 1to1 when you zoom at the cigar in the box, the hasselblad shot is sharp at the top ot the cigar while the fuji shot is on the bottom of the box.. for sharpness you can change it in capture one and lightroom to have the same setting in both. and ad a color checker in the scene so you can do a profil relative to your lightning, comparing colors from different sensor without it make no senses.. interesting but technically non relevant :/
@@Sondercreative in a way, with different points of focus, you can make your test say whatever you want.. what I'm seeing from this video is they may be differents and we don't have access to files if we want to have a look ourselves. my remark about color ain't an excess as you have link in the description directing to a b&h page selling color checker :) and it take 5 minutes to creat a profil, taking the sharpness down to 0 in lightromm and capture one less then 10scd.. I mean, I'm not recommanding you to use a mtf chart, just to do a semi professional test on a professional camera, but the right way as you are the only ones who are comparing a gfx 100s with a h6c400, which is a most logical thing to compare it to rather than a full frame or a 50mpx, it's a good start. I ain't on the gfx side as I personnaly own a few hasselblads; but for the format and price, it seems a nice "whatever happen" camera when working outside of my studio
So as i heard, it depends on the time between shots with pixelshift on the fuji. Apearently even the manual has the wrong settings for it. It seems like you need a few seconds Inbetween shots. Otherwise good Video :)
Yes absolutely, I looked up and saw that it needs atleast 2 seconds between each shot so that's what we did. Also we made sure we shot all the images tethered to prevent any issues too.
Not at all the fujifilm GFX 100 is probably the best medium format camera on the market. The last video we produced demonstrated just how good it was the majority of the review praised it. We’re just pointing out to minor issues in the camera. They’re not huge problems but would be nice if they were looked at.
I agree. He's made a couple of videos on this camera and at first I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt but after this one, something certainly seems off.
@@roynation3838 I don’t understand, we clearly gave the Fujifilm a good review in the last video and specifically mentioned how this comparison will be coming in more detail. In the previous video, we demonstrated how the Hasselblad was better at pixel shift and this video is simply a detailed continuation of that point. How can you expect different results in this video? Once again, we literally described the GFX 100 as being the best medium format camera on the market. Are you just looking for constant praise and if you don’t get it somehow I’m biased?
@@Sondercreative I agree with Stefan, that for someone interested in investing in either of these systems, a review like this should be invaluable but from my point of view it created more questions than answers. I'm not sure how you believe you gave a favourable review when the title of this video completely destroys one of the GFX 100 and 100S's key selling points. I understand that the pixel-shift function was added after it's release but only the firmware update, so it doesn't necessarily mean it was an afterthought. Fujifilm may have known all along that this would be a feature but chose to release the camera ahead of schedule, they're a business and it may have simply been a business decision. It's smaller brother, the GFX 100S was released with the feature already available. is it therefore designed for purpose? Both these cameras are aimed squarely at the fine art reproduction, product photography market so by trashing this feature you have raised serious doubts in the mind of potential buyers. I would always hope to read an honest appraisal of a camera's performance. If during the review, serious failings are uncovered, it's the reviewers responsibility to make sure they've made every effort to explore their findings. If your video had gone on to give the 'in-depth' analysis that was promised, if you had tried to demonstrate an attempt to find the cause of the results we see, then fair play. I don't think that's what happened here. I say this because you went to the trouble of running the 100mp Fuji through Gigapixel and got impressive results, to my mind this would raise a question of whether the 16 shot Fujifilm is actually just a truer representation of what this technology can produce optically. Both the Hasselblad and the Gigapixel images suggest that the software has a tremendous impact, yet you took the 400mp fuji completely at face value, didn't run it through Gigapixel, didn't add any sharpening to it, I didn't see any attempt to experiment with the image to see if it could be improved. This is fine if the purpose of this review is to see which camera is set-up to give the best results to someone who shares your taste and doesn't want to do any type of post processing but how many potential buyers for these systems are likely to fall in this category. I'm very curious, are you privy to some inside information from both these manufacturers? What is it, that makes you think the Hasselblad has built a system vastly different to the Fuji system. You start the review by saying this is a complete mismatch for the same reason stated above. Again not my idea of a glowing review. The assumption that because the Fuji uses 16 images, it's bloated and inefficient is strange. I see it as Fuji wanting to give the purest form of the pixel-shift concept. To my understanding, this is not an interpolation as you stated. Have Fujifilm said something different? There's more I can say about this review but I think that's enough for now.
@@roynation3838 Sorry I didn't make it too obvious but this is a part two to a small series of videos where we compare these cameras. th-cam.com/video/Ll4sOONWpRA/w-d-xo.html Unfortunately this particular feature is pretty poor and is practically useless because of several reasons outlined in the video. Lack of mechanical shutter is a big one but also the fact that the results are worse than what Gigapixel can do. It's an afterthought because it's poorly implemented and I literally demonstrate this with evidence. Once again, we described the GFX 100 as essentially the best medium format camera on the market. But it's not perfect. We've outlined some of its flaws but lets be real, these flaws a minor issues at best. It is however extremely unfair of you to call this a vendetta against Fujifilm especially considering the praise we've given it. If calling it the best isn't enough then I don't know where to go from there without it sounding like an ad.
I'm not for or against this video... Sonder Creative are doing the best they can. The item hindering FUJI's pixel-shift hi res files, is in fact its revolutionary MF IBIS mech. It's not rocket science, and certainly not a focus issue... its shutter shock on a 102 MP sensor. The bloated Hassie does a better job in this one regard (colour is subjective), because its sensor has only been programmed to move in tiny increments 4 or 6 times. It doesn't float it's sensor. SC put up the single shot images against each other on there and the FUJI smashed it. There's no conspiracy here. When a studio photographer decides to move around untethered... or a large print making street photographer, wants to opt for photos sans tripod, then the Hassie becomes an unwieldy brick. A beautiful brick that can still take amazing art archival photos... but that's a very limiting aspect. In 5 years time, Hassie will probably be gone and Fuji will be the only game in town for accessible MF... Sony might surprise us all, but what the hell would Sony MF look like. Anyway... not offending anybody, but avoid the pointless fanboyism. Hassie makes great non moving MF gear and Fuji simply makes great APSC and innovative small MF image monsters.
The GFX 100 is an incredible camera I'm blown away by how brilliant it is. You're right single shot the GFX is just wow. I do think the profile suck and there are some objective points I can about that but... create a custom ICC profile and the GFX 100 is the best camera on the market. 16-bit raw files with ibis and phase detect I mean that's just ridiculous and awesome. Multi shot in the Hassy is super super specialized though so like I said this is a mismatch of a comparison.
i am actually not surprised that gfx came that close especially with a single shot. Its a fantastic camera. Fuji has made a huge breakthro bringing cropped medium format at almost 1/5 the cost ( i have a gfx100s) . That said, since i mainly shoot landscapes, i would be petrified to take something like this hassey into the mountains and national park on hikes.. my fuji has been in rain and snow and still works like a charm . Fuji definitely need to work more on their pixel shift which is their sensor actually moving on ibis along with computation . its much more challenging on a bigger sensor unlike a small micro four third sensor on olympus. very soon computational photography will overcome limitations we face with photography today. Or will phase one and hassey compete in the same market with slightly more robust cameras and ibis and all those bells and whistles with a slightly lower price point but a greatly better image quality ( visible without pixel peeping)? I would buy one in a heartbeat! great times to be in !
My experience with gfx 100s is completely different and honestly, much better results. My old hasselblads didn't have this option so I can't compare to a hasselblad, but you should definitely check this problem with fuji, or maybe add a delay between shots to see it was up to you or the camera is faulty.
Great video! Very glad to have found your channel. I know a pro landscape photographer using the GFX50s II who has stopped using the camera’s pixel-shift mode in favor of upscaling in PS instead. I have a new 50s II and will be trying out pixel-shift with it, but will certainly keep Topaz Lab’s Gigapixel software in mind. It did an amazing job with the GFX100 files in your video. Very helpful. Thanks!
I can imagine that you need a very good computer to procees and play with the pixel shift files!
Keep up the good work!
I’ll take the Fuji any and every day of the week….and save almost $40K…..and then I would buy 3.5 more GFX100’s…..
H cameras with wide open non wide angle lenses at short distances can only focus correctly when using the "True Focus" function.
Press shutter button halfway to focus maintain it, then press true focus button with the right thumb (rear of the handgrip) and maintain it during reframing and until shutter is released.
Without this procedure focus is never dead-on with wide open apertures and short distances
I'm pretty sure there is some issue with stability in the fuji, maybe internal vibration. The pixel-shifted fuji image looked worse than the normal fuji one.
Pixel shift is more about eliminating false color and aliasing, not increased resolution/sharpness.
That’s not true, it’s about both. That’s how these features are marketed. That’s what these features are used for. Archiving is one of the kind of photography this is used for and it’s one of the key benefits.
@@Sondercreative "More" about, not "only" about.
Great video. I would say that the GFX100 + Gigapixel software is a great combo. In your last video you showed how great the Fuji is in terms of things like autofocus. It seems like a more well-rounded or practical camera compared to the Hasselblad and waaaaay cheaper. I think if you used that Fuji as a "regular" camera, took those 100MP files and upscaled them, it would an excellent landscape camera.
P.S. I think you have a typo in the title of the video. Hasselblad*
Seems like there was a technical issue on the Fuji production, ie bumped the camera or something. Might want to redo this test?
Actually tried the test a whole bunch of times to prevent issues. Tethered shooting with a delay on each image too.
The Hasselblad was shot at a slower shutter speed by the way.
I think it is the lens.
But for the colors of the fuji I wounder why it is not fixed with a SW update yet!
Good comparison, but perhaps a short discussion about how different RAW processors handle file rendition of the Hasselblad v. Fuji files. Fuji files are notoriously poorly rendered in Lightroom or ACR. Software can have a large effect on image quality.
Fujifilm files were processed in Capture One and brought into Lightroom as Tiff files for the comparison.
Hasselblad files were processed in Phocus and brought into Lightroom after that too. I discuss this point around the 3 minute mark :).
Hello, I'd like to know if you could have a comparison between Hasselblad H6D 400c and Phase One XF IQ4 150mp planned.
It would be interesting to see if the single shot and even better the Hasselblad 4 & 6 multi-shot manages to outperform the 150mp IQ4 back in both sharpness and color rendering.
I look forward to your welcome response, thank you.
Sincerely.
Pierpaolo
I think the video is re-uploaded.
Ok. Are you going to make the same comparison using the gfx100s?
The idea of pixel shifting is to avoid moire. You don’t mention this. The upscaling is a side effect.
Not really, the primary features advertised are resolution and detail. You can make your own interpretation but I have to go with what Fuji and Hassy say.
I have seen side by side Fuji vs Hasselblad pixel shifting and Hasselblad wins hands down. Hasselblad does 4 shoots and retain the same pixel counting but in 6 shots mode the pixel counting increases. Fuji needs 16 shoots and only works with continuos light. Hasselblad can use continuous and flash light. Side by side at the same magnification Hasselblad files looks better more detailed and with a better tonality.
Wow, what a difference. Does the X2D also offer pixel shift? No doubt, HNCS delivers amazing results. A comparison GFX100s vs X2D would be interesting. Versatility of GFX100s (you may e.g. adapt all tilt-shift lenses from Canon an Nikon) vs. HNCS colour accuracy. The GFX and X lenses are for sure even, afaik Fujinon produces e.g. the Hasselblad H lenses, the X I don’t know…
Can’t sync flash with pixel shifting?? Hmm interesting. I was able to use flash on my GFX 100s with flash (speedatron) and worked flawlessly!! I was also using electronic shutter too. I used the Electronic Front shutter mode. Now as far as image quality with the Gigapixel being easier and better for upscaling. Yeah I agree there. But you can use it with flash if you want. FYI
Sorry I should clarify, can’t sync flash at reasonably fast shutter speeds. I should have been clearer, my apologies.
08:46 That's wild
hum interesting video,
but what if you could redo the test with the same focus point?
at 1to1 when you zoom at the cigar in the box, the hasselblad shot is sharp at the top ot the cigar while the fuji shot is on the bottom of the box..
for sharpness you can change it in capture one and lightroom to have the same setting in both.
and ad a color checker in the scene so you can do a profil relative to your lightning, comparing colors from different sensor without it make no senses..
interesting but technically non relevant :/
The results are sound and you’re asking for unreasonable excess.
@@Sondercreative in a way, with different points of focus, you can make your test say whatever you want.. what I'm seeing from this video is they may be differents and we don't have access to files if we want to have a look ourselves.
my remark about color ain't an excess as you have link in the description directing to a b&h page selling color checker :) and it take 5 minutes to creat a profil,
taking the sharpness down to 0 in lightromm and capture one less then 10scd..
I mean, I'm not recommanding you to use a mtf chart, just to do a semi professional test on a professional camera, but the right way
as you are the only ones who are comparing a gfx 100s with a h6c400, which is a most logical thing to compare it to rather than a full frame or a 50mpx, it's a good start.
I ain't on the gfx side as I personnaly own a few hasselblads; but for the format and price, it seems a nice "whatever happen" camera when working outside of my studio
Could you add a link to download the 3 original files being compared?
Wonder if GFX100C has more detail
So as i heard, it depends on the time between shots with pixelshift on the fuji. Apearently even the manual has the wrong settings for it. It seems like you need a few seconds Inbetween shots. Otherwise good Video :)
Yes absolutely, I looked up and saw that it needs atleast 2 seconds between each shot so that's what we did. Also we made sure we shot all the images tethered to prevent any issues too.
@@Sondercreative Thanks for the clarification, sad but good to know the feature is rather unusable :)
You seems to have vendetta against Fujifilm I really don’t see you go to great lengths in criticizing other camera brands not that I am Fuji fanboy.
Not at all the fujifilm GFX 100 is probably the best medium format camera on the market. The last video we produced demonstrated just how good it was the majority of the review praised it.
We’re just pointing out to minor issues in the camera. They’re not huge problems but would be nice if they were looked at.
I agree. He's made a couple of videos on this camera and at first I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt but after this one, something certainly seems off.
@@roynation3838 I don’t understand, we clearly gave the Fujifilm a good review in the last video and specifically mentioned how this comparison will be coming in more detail.
In the previous video, we demonstrated how the Hasselblad was better at pixel shift and this video is simply a detailed continuation of that point.
How can you expect different results in this video?
Once again, we literally described the GFX 100 as being the best medium format camera on the market. Are you just looking for constant praise and if you don’t get it somehow I’m biased?
@@Sondercreative
I agree with Stefan, that for someone interested in investing in either of these systems, a review like this should be invaluable but from my point of view it created more questions than answers.
I'm not sure how you believe you gave a favourable review when the title of this video completely destroys one of the GFX 100 and 100S's key selling points. I understand that the pixel-shift function was added after it's release but only the firmware update, so it doesn't necessarily mean it was an afterthought. Fujifilm may have known all along that this would be a feature but chose to release the camera ahead of schedule, they're a business and it may have simply been a business decision. It's smaller brother, the GFX 100S was released with the feature already available. is it therefore designed for purpose? Both these cameras are aimed squarely at the fine art reproduction, product photography market so by trashing this feature you have raised serious doubts in the mind of potential buyers.
I would always hope to read an honest appraisal of a camera's performance. If during the review, serious failings are uncovered, it's the reviewers responsibility to make sure they've made every effort to explore their findings. If your video had gone on to give the 'in-depth' analysis that was promised, if you had tried to demonstrate an attempt to find the cause of the results we see, then fair play. I don't think that's what happened here. I say this because you went to the trouble of running the 100mp Fuji through Gigapixel and got impressive results, to my mind this would raise a question of whether the 16 shot Fujifilm is actually just a truer representation of what this technology can produce optically. Both the Hasselblad and the Gigapixel images suggest that the software has a tremendous impact, yet you took the 400mp fuji completely at face value, didn't run it through Gigapixel, didn't add any sharpening to it, I didn't see any attempt to experiment with the image to see if it could be improved. This is fine if the purpose of this review is to see which camera is set-up to give the best results to someone who shares your taste and doesn't want to do any type of post processing but how many potential buyers for these systems are likely to fall in this category.
I'm very curious, are you privy to some inside information from both these manufacturers? What is it, that makes you think the Hasselblad has built a system vastly different to the Fuji system. You start the review by saying this is a complete mismatch for the same reason stated above. Again not my idea of a glowing review. The assumption that because the Fuji uses 16 images, it's bloated and inefficient is strange. I see it as Fuji wanting to give the purest form of the pixel-shift concept. To my understanding, this is not an interpolation as you stated. Have Fujifilm said something different?
There's more I can say about this review but I think that's enough for now.
@@roynation3838 Sorry I didn't make it too obvious but this is a part two to a small series of videos where we compare these cameras.
th-cam.com/video/Ll4sOONWpRA/w-d-xo.html
Unfortunately this particular feature is pretty poor and is practically useless because of several reasons outlined in the video. Lack of mechanical shutter is a big one but also the fact that the results are worse than what Gigapixel can do.
It's an afterthought because it's poorly implemented and I literally demonstrate this with evidence.
Once again, we described the GFX 100 as essentially the best medium format camera on the market. But it's not perfect. We've outlined some of its flaws but lets be real, these flaws a minor issues at best.
It is however extremely unfair of you to call this a vendetta against Fujifilm especially considering the praise we've given it. If calling it the best isn't enough then I don't know where to go from there without it sounding like an ad.
I'm not for or against this video... Sonder Creative are doing the best they can.
The item hindering FUJI's pixel-shift hi res files, is in fact its revolutionary MF IBIS mech. It's not rocket science, and certainly not a focus issue... its shutter shock on a 102 MP sensor.
The bloated Hassie does a better job in this one regard (colour is subjective), because its sensor has only been programmed to move in tiny increments 4 or 6 times. It doesn't float it's sensor.
SC put up the single shot images against each other on there and the FUJI smashed it. There's no conspiracy here.
When a studio photographer decides to move around untethered... or a large print making street photographer, wants to opt for photos sans tripod, then the Hassie becomes an unwieldy brick. A beautiful brick that can still take amazing art archival photos... but that's a very limiting aspect.
In 5 years time, Hassie will probably be gone and Fuji will be the only game in town for accessible MF...
Sony might surprise us all, but what the hell would Sony MF look like.
Anyway... not offending anybody, but avoid the pointless fanboyism.
Hassie makes great non moving MF gear and Fuji simply makes great APSC and innovative small MF image monsters.
The GFX 100 is an incredible camera I'm blown away by how brilliant it is. You're right single shot the GFX is just wow.
I do think the profile suck and there are some objective points I can about that but... create a custom ICC profile and the GFX 100 is the best camera on the market. 16-bit raw files with ibis and phase detect I mean that's just ridiculous and awesome.
Multi shot in the Hassy is super super specialized though so like I said this is a mismatch of a comparison.
Can we use both camera to do photogroup in pixel shift? Is Hasselblad still is better than Fuji?
The previous video compares both cameras in more detail. Hope you get a chance to take a look.
Can Gigapixel be used successfully with X-T4 - has anybody tried it?
not an answer but SUPER RESOLUTION in Photoshop can be used with Fuji XTrans Sensors so that works. Havent tried Gigapixel with it.
I’ll give it a try and let you know what kind of results I get.
@@Sondercreative - Great! That would be much appreciated.
Your comparison is totally ridiculous by comparing between apple and orange, then saying that apple is not as sour as orange. Pointless
Your comment is totally ridiculous by being here to watch the video and then saying this video shouldn’t be here to watch.