Hasselblad H6D 400c vs Fujifilm GFX 100: The Best Medium Format Camera ($50k camera vs $10k camera)
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- We finally compare the the Fujifilm GFX 100 to what many people call "real" medium format, the Hasselblad H6D 400c. The price difference between these two cameras is simply insane, but how do both of them actually perform. Find out in this video. #fujifilm #hasselblad #gfx100 #h6d
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The Fujifilm has a crop factor of 0.79 (43.8 x 32.9mm) and the Hasselblad has a crop factor of 0.66 (53.4 x 40.0mm).
So the 120mm on Fujifilm is equivalent to 95mm, while the 120mm on Hasselblad is equivalent to 79mm
The same crop factor applies to the aperture and affects the bokeh effect too. f/4.0 means f/3.16 on Fujifilm and f/2.64 on Hasselblad.
@@claudianreyn4529 its a little more complex than that but yes kind of to an extent.
Thank you for this video!!!!!!! And congrats on being one of the few vids I’ve seen comparing the Fuji with another medium format camera. Every video I’ve seen always compares them to FF cameras. It’s great to see one where autofocus comparisons makes sense with the IG quality and money spent. Great vid
sonder, at 2:35 you missed out on one key difference between them, the H6 's lenses are a Leaf shutter design, and the fuji is a mirrorless focal plane shutter, or in other words an 'e-shutter' system, so the lens focal distance, iris placement etc. are all different due to design of these shutter systems.
The H6 is also neerer 6x4.5 cm than the 33x44 ish sensor of this "small medium format camera" (the fuji, as it is very much smaller than 645 film neg, or the corresponding digital size); not quite an apples to apples comparison, if you did it with the Phase One XF\XC\XT cameras vs. the Hasselblad it would be more equal as they are both LARGE MF cameras, as the sensor size is the same.
Thanks for sharing. Very informative. Thank you also for pointing out your assessments in terms of objectivity vs subjectivity. Very credible and relevant!
I have been waiting for such review for more than a year, since I got my GFX100. Thanks for confirming my doubts in terms of color rendition on the GFX camera. I do quite a lot of work to get the raw file on a neutral spot and only from there I can see where to go with it on grading.
It is a spot on review! Thanks a lot man!
I while ago I borrowed my friend’s H5D50 and I took some shots side-by-side and I compared them which is tricky because you have to use different applications to grade them but I must say Hasselblad is magic By making gentle and neutral color rendition. Funny a time, we use the word magic to describe the accuracy of the way we say without any bs.
I am happy to share some raw files. I would also appreciate if you can do it too.
Looking forward for more reviews from you and stay way from the GFX groups, some of them act like mobs... very disappointing.
Excellent comparison! Thank you for sharing
Thank for this video mate, good one.
$50k is insane price to pay, but you can't argue with the h6d colors. They're just perfect. All the images look like they're out of Corbis / Getty libraries.
Esp on dark skinned people that’s where hasselblads Color’s and tonality depth really shines
That's my thought too, all the images from the Hasselblad just look special somehow, it really feels like those super professional images from big luxury companies websites and things like that, I'm not even a Camera Specialist(Just randomly searching about high-end camera systems and Medium Formats) and yet I can totally tell them apart
Don't even think the color is....perfect. fuji definitely has better color
Dope review. Now I need both
So many thanks for the comparison. You have no idea, how helpful they are to me, currently I am evaluating a medium format system for portrait and reproduction and I was in the first line tempted to purchase a GFX100S because of its versatility. But man, that HNCS of Hasselblad got me. May I download the raw files of the images shown here to do a comparison on my computer? TH-cam’s compression is eating up all of the details. Awesome, at about 7:30, how much more details there are in the shadows of the 400c back, look e.g. at the bottom right corner, that thing carrying the plant and those separating boards. That’s stunning. Also the portrait of your daughter, that’s even on TH-cam a jaw dropping difference. Did you ever try the portrait profile of the Fuji?
Great Review btw that was fun to see the difference btw them
Amazing video and ive never bought a camera was just recommended this vid! So have they released an update for the fuji yet??
Great comparison video. Always wonder how fuji looks comparing to Hasselblad. BTW, which lens/camera you used in your video? The AF and lens breath seems having serious problem.
Thank you for the video! Great review, Usman. Would be interesting to see a comparison between the Hasselblad and Phase One system in the future.
I have been trying to do that comparison for a little while but neither company is interested in that specific one.
I'll keep trying though :).
@@Sondercreative Fingers crossed. Keep up the good work! :)
I got the GFX 100S and I can tell you, Fuji files are over sharpened in camera that's why they look "sharper". You need to tone that in camera sharpness down to -3 or -4.
I've got the GFX100s with GF lenses and several Hasselblad HD with HC lenses ... as you know, it's easier to "tone down" an overly sharp image rather than improve sharpness of a less sharp image in either "in camera or "in post" ... people seem to love Hassy/ Zeiss portraits which don't need to be tack-sharp ... but, ironically, a lot of earlier HC lenses were made by Fujifilm. so ...
@@robertbartelmes7623 Thats why I usually like the image from an Arri alexa (besides the great colors) because the image looks sharp enough and smooth and not cheap sharp. IMO the GFX 100s if set to 0 sharpness looks a bit cheap sharp thats why I set my sharpeness to -4 in camera. I really think the colors, sharpness (Enough sharpness), contrast and overall look of the Hasselblads look better than the Fujis in general. I also think that Fuji needs to offer a more neutral and realistic color profile along their Film simulations.
Thanks will try this with my GFX100S
Agreed
well said
Nice video. If I were in the market for a medium format camera, I'd likely go with the GFX 100S. That small form factor for $6K is hard to beat for what you get. You still get the pixel shift and things but I think that a dual-illuminant profile with your ColorChecker SG might make it a REALLY good competitor for the Hasselblad line of cameras. Faster autofocus, cheap body and lenses, good low-light performance and dynamic range. All of those features with a dual-illuminant profile from that CC SG would be a solid package.
you are better off with an a7r4... gfx medium format is not true medium format, it is a gimmick format just bit bigger than the full frame sensor. And the sony is better in everyway ..
@@arunashamal haahah that troll is everywhere
Thanks for the video. The GF45 is actually brutally sharp when using raw on the GFX100 and when the focus point is proper. but when u use any in camera processing some artifacts seem to degrade the IQ. Just my own experience.
I don't have the GF45 but it's generally regarded as being a very sharp lens, if not one of the sharpest lenses in the GF line. I have the 23, 80, and 250 -- all very sharp IMO. I previously owned the X1D and preferred the colors relative to GFX system, but overall found GFX system to be better suited to my needs (supported by CO, more third-party lens & accessory options, not fully taking advantage of more expensive LS lenses, better A/F, etc.).
Thank you for review. Have you lifted Hasselblad mirror before each shot to shot only with leaf shutter?
Fuji GFX 100S all day. The 45 is one of the sharpest lenses in the ecosystem and there’s plenty of evidence supporting that assertion.
And the Hassy has shallower DOF for the same aperture, but Fuji has faster glass available, so Fuji wins out in shallow DOF department. No to mention better AF, smaller size, equal quality glass, generally greater ease of use, and it’s much less expensive.
It’s a no-brainer. Fuji all the way.
@@KruiserIVThe GFX 100 is probably the best MF camera on the market.
lot of fuji fanbois crying today?
@@Sondercreative haha that’s why it’s 40k cheaper? Lmao I’d rather a full frame Leica than gfx
@@KruiserIV lmao the sensor is way smaller why would you assume the aperture
Decides which is better
Amazing Video
Great Job Man
the Fujifilm GFX 100 is Real Game Changer
I've just watched a few more of your videos, in particular the one about using the X-Rite Colour Checker Passport and Lumariver software to create ICC profiles for cameras. Have you tried this to get more accurate colours for the Fujifilm GFX 100? It's be really interesting to see how much improvement that could achieve. Would it add much time or complication to post-processing?
Also, I use Topaz Sharpen AI software and agree that it's brilliant - have you thought about using this to see whether it can improve details in the GFX 100 pixel-shift image?
I have created custom ICC profiles for the GFX and it makes a huge difference. The sensor in the camera is incredible and the hardware behind it is fantastic too. Just a change in the profile form Fujifilm would make all the difference.
Producing a custom ICC makes a huge difference.
Also about Topaz labs, that will be coming in the next video :).
I like your Videos, you someone who knows what he is talking about, great stuff as always
Thank you very much for watching :)
Waited for this video and that was worth it 👌👌❤️❤️❤️❤️ brother, there isn't any good content on 8×5 large format, hoping for some contribution from you on that.♥️
We produced a couple of videos covering large format. We may have to do some again though especially for 8x10.
@@Sondercreative yeah, I have watched those videos. Actually, only a direct comparison can show the real potential of 8×10 format.That loved that video. In fact from that specific video,I started falling for large format but couldn't any good content.There are some videos but they are very formal and not that informative about real life examples.
I will be waiting and hopefully i will a good one from this channel ❤️❤️❤️
Thank you for this but I have used C1 for fuji files (apsc) and as long as one shoot in raw it is possible to use a linear response curve or create a custom ICC profile and use that to give you the choice a more varied color rendering. I have used both Hasselblad and Phase One cameras and I think they are superior in color rendering out of the box compared to the GFX (BUT I have only tried the 50s so far of the GFX cameras) but as soon as I could edit the rendering using custom ICC I had a better choice. The problem of course is that you have to save the settings as a style in C1 and not as the default setting and thereby avoiding the (in my honest opinion) gadgy color presets. I know some people loves the film presets but for me personally they have as you said in the video a feeling of instagram presets and there is nothing wrong with it if you are happy with it but for me it is more important with control.
Thank you for another amazing video. It always interesting to see what other systems can do.
Would be interesting if you make a colour profile for GFX, if the colour science will be better compare to H6D.
A quick comment, not regarding photography, I notice that the outside footage is a bit worse (pulsing focus and I guess wrong shutter speed - making the light bulbs pulsing) than the inside footage. It is not that noticeable, unless watching full screen though...
The pulsing is probably the focusing in the Sony, sorry about that.
With the GFX of you create a custom ICC profile using the colour checked digital SG the results are far better. Although the same thing can be done for the Hasselblad too. Both 16-bit sensors so lots of room available.
why do you have to make profile?
@@arunashamal most of camera manufacturers load a certain "colour science" look up table to camera for interpreting the colour (camera can only see 3 colours but their compilation can reproduce a good chunk of what humans can see). In reality each individual camera can be slightly off the "correct" values, especially if you add into the equation that lenses are not colour neutral. So, if you really want to make the colours in your camera as close to the real colours you see with your eyes you have to make colour profiles. There was a video about it on this channel if you look it up. By the way you can test it by taking a photo something with a lots of colours and compare the photo to get with the real one. You will be surprised how much off the camera colours will be. Usually the reds and the greens are off.
Thanks for taking on this very niche challenge. There is no doubt that the Fuji files come somehow suffused with a strong magenta bias which you have to work very hard to get rid of. I use C1. I shoot landscapes with the 100/100S. Using the Fuji profiles in C1 for the RAW files nothing changes. Indeed, it gets worse in my experience. If you are old fashioned and use the odd N grad from Lee to control the sky the cast is accentuated yet further. If you shoot at dawn in winter when magenta is typically much more to the fore you are heading for a pinky/purple panther of an image. The non-landscape profiles such as the pro-Neg don't suffer. I find that using the Linear response curve or the other non-Fuji profiles in C1 takes away some of the bias but far from enough of it. It's a problem. There are doubtless many different workarounds but you have highlighted a very real issue in the output from the big Fuji which is hardly ever identified in the over-zealous praise for Fuji's film simulations. The 120mm is indeed a razor. I can't, however, share your 45mm experience. I find mine to be very sharp. Jim Kasson - a technologically gifted guru and godsend - has tested most of the GF lenses in detailed lab settings and his analysis of the 45's ability to resolve will, I think, withstand scrutiny. It is widely regarded as far preferable to the GF 63.
Thank you for your detailed comment. Very kind of you to spend the time.
Several people have commented on the 45mm Lens. It seems i may have received a faulty copy.
Really Nice rew:)
Amazing work.
I would like you to see into Pixelshift of Sony A7R4, GFX 100, Panasonic and Hasselblad would be amazing.
Just finishing a more detailed video on the pixel shift between GFX and Hasselblad. I'll try and cover as much as I can about that.
WOW Great review! Great Video!!! That hassie color is just better IMHO but it's subjective though.
A very good review
Man, you are doing god’s work with these comparisons. I have yet to find any Fuji images that sway me. There’s a lot to be said about Hasselblad’s color science and GFX just doesn’t compare. The X2D further muddies the waters. I really want to like the GFX system, but it’s an expensive compromise imo if you’re after more than satisfactory results.
Just wanted to note that before digital we were all using Provia, Astia and Velvia for professional work. To say that they are instagram-like profiles is missing the point. I do agree though that they should provide out of the box a neutral profile that gets results close to those of the Hasselblad.
It was hyperbole, I completely get that. I still shoot large format and love the way the images look.
You’re absolutely right and maybe I stretched that point a little too far.
Please don't take my comments negatively, just offering some food for thought. I appreciate the time you've taken to put this together, it's very interesting viewing.
I can't help think you made a mistake in the step up or processing of your pixel shift images for the Fuji. Either that, or Hasselblad are employing some degree of sharpening or software manipulation in the rendition. It just doesn't make sense that at 100mp the Fuji is noticeably sharper but loses this advantage at 400mp. Especially when considering, that the Hasselblad is not a true 400mp image, using only 6 shifts compared to the 16 shifts for the Fuji.
There is a video showing that the Fuji pixel shift needs to be set-up differently to the manufacturers recommendations, or the user will experience poor results. The video recommends extending the time between frames to a minimum of 2 seconds to avoid vibration negatively affecting image quality. As well as turning off all camera warning noises, as they impact image quality. The difference in results was quite marked.
We spent more time and effort on the Fuji camera making sure we did everything correctly than we did with the Hasselblad. The Fujifilm pixel shift features are pretty useless if you watch our latest video.
Also the Hasselblad can perform even better than demonstrated in this video. We crippled the Hasselblad to a much slower shutter speed and continuous lighting to match the limitations of the Fujifilm and it still performed better. Had we have used the Hasselblad at its full potential with flash and a much faster shutter speed it would have performed even better than the Fuji.
I hope that helps and thank you for watching.
@@Sondercreative That would have been interesting to see.
Do you remember what the delay was between captures when using the the Fuji? I'm trying to find the other video I watched but not having much luck. As mentioned though, the other video pointed out some issues and work arounds for the fuji, mainly it needs quite a long time to settle between captures, even camera noises can apparently cause problems, I guess because the pixels are so small.
@@roynation3838 I don't think we spent a long time in between each shot we only gave the camera a couple of second inbetween each shot. Any more then that and it makes the feature worse especially considering how fast the Hasselblad is.
@@Sondercreative Thanks for taking time to reply.
Just finished watching your other video.
Maybe Fuji will see these, would be interesting to hear their thoughts on what you've shown.
Did you try using Gigapixel on the 400mp Fuji, just out of curiosity?
Did you try adding a little sharpening to the Fuji, to see if that's what is separating them?
Shame there were no comparisons with custom colour profiles, I think it would have made comparisons a little easier.
Hassle isn't a street photography camera. It's a commercial grade system where slower shooting speed is irrelevant
That's why the GFX is a more flexible camera system. The Hasselblad is slower due to dated technology and we can see that because new MF cameras are faster.
You wanted a comparison in which the Fuji with its smaller sensor wins. You got it. For example, F 3.5 with the Hasselblad compared to F2.8 with the Fuji is actually an apples and oranges comparison. Everyone gets the result they want! I compared the Fuji with a Phase One camera privately at the time. The Fuji came out on top at the latest when analysing images with Capture One and trying to flash against the sun. The only reason in favour of the smaller format of the Fuji sensor is the price. Not everyone is prepared to spend several 10,000 € on a camera system. That's how different tests can be. I use P1.
Well done as usual. I think you forgot one category the Hasselblad beats the fuji in - street cred, LOL. Can’t help but think with some aspects of the comparison open to interpretation the Fuji is incredible considering you can buy into the system for 1/10th the cost with the GFX100s. The fuji is to the Hasselblad as M43 is to FF. Curious if the picture profiles could be manually edited to give results closer to the Hasselblad - or did you try that already?
With a custom ICC profile the GFX 100 is pretty much unbeatable. I’d reduce the heavy sharpening in Capture One and that will help you produce the best results.
Nice comparison. If you can I would like to see this Fuji GFX 100 vs Phaseone XF and comparable lenses.
Sonder. Very good comparison. Am just wondering when we see the pictures whether we can differentiate and significantly see the difference between a Blad result and a Fuji result? If am not mistaken both lenses (Blad and Fuji) are made by Fuji?
That's correct, Fujifilm did produce the lenses for Hasselblad. However, the lenses were designed by Hasselblad.
The Hassy lenses for the H6D are quite an old design by todays standards though.
good comparative video ... but, being an owner of a FGFX100s and a Hasselblad HD Series, I know the users of the latest Hasselblad HD Series are primarily Pro Studio Shooters, not Street or Landscape Shooters ... so a follow up video of a Pro Studio Shooter familiar with the HD using both cameras would be interesting ... a lot of the limitations of the Hasselblad HD can be overcome in the Studio environment ... but, make sure you use an open-minded Studio Shooter ... once someone has invested the Big Bucks in a late model Hasselblad HD system, he'll possibly be biased to the Hassy & minimize the clear benefits of the GFX100 ...
Did you try comparing the color accuracy with the colorchecker?
good video. agreed and unsurprising on the colour. have you compared gfx and x2d for colour-seems similar from samples I've seen.
is it possible to get the Raw Files from Multishot Compare at the End of the Video ?
Good layout. Shame you didn’t try and match both cameras to each other color wise. Would’ve been nice to see how close you could of gotten Fuji to Hasselblad.
Not within the scope of the review. This was more to discuss what each camera does as opposed to demonstrating how to improve features with accessories.
The GFX does improve greatly if you use the colour checker digital SG in capture one. I have a couple of videos showing how 😊
Hi,Thanks for the review,Can you review a camera phase one xf iq4 150mp ?Thanks
Do you think creating your own ICC profile for the GFX would eliminate the color profile issue? You a while ago showed the benefit of creating your own color profiles. Plus you have things like xrite's or lumariver.
Possible to release the raw files for us to play with and see? Would love to get the Color checker photos you took of both...
@@kylo9389 my idea is that the hasselblad doesn't have an alternate profile and just showing the natural profile while fuji with the provia, astia and all others are creating/changing color casts. So, I would also love to see the RAW files for me to play.
It's like comparing a bike and a supercar. As long as you are inside a small town and from a traffic light to the next traffic light 300 meters ... The competitiveness of a bicycle can be considered, but as soon as city blocks end and a car ban begins .... The attractiveness of Fugifilm is in cost, but what does this have to do with solving professional problems ?
Thanks for the great review.
Great job Usman, thanks for the young beautiful lovely model (Your daughter) , ma sha'a Allah, may Allah bless her❤.
one point to note with the H6 is that they only have ONE focus point, in the center!, so you need to keep this in mind while using it!, and I do believe this model did have a 'true focus' feature, hit a button on the back of the grip and it compensated for the focus difference when you moved the camera (an attempt at the 'focus recompose' technique for 135mm dslr's when you couldn't shift the focus point to where you wanted it to be).
I noticed that you only used 2 of the Fuji Film simulations. How did some of the other film simulations stand up. On my old non calibrated laptop some of the Fuji images looked better or at least more pleasing to my eye. Color reproduction is a pretty subjective thing and you can achieve about any result you like in post for any of the cameras. Your comments are fair as long as everyone remembers that what you are saying is your subjective opinion and you are not objectively measuring anything. For the most part I like the Hasselblad look but I also like the Fujifilm look. I don't really think that these two are competing against each other since there is a 5X difference in price. Not even counting the lens. From what I am seeing the Fujifilm is an incredible value in the market it is competing for.
After watching this movie, there is no reason, other than maybe nostalgia, to get the Hasselblad. I simply don't the see the significant advantage he is touting. As you noted, "color reproduction is a pretty subjective thing and you can achieve about any result you like in post for any of the cameras."
From the sample images I think regardless of the sharpness level the Hasselblad to me looked more flattering on her face. She looked prettier in the Hasselblad photos. I think ultimately that matters the most. To me it doesn't matter if you get 5 sharp images from the fuji and only 1 from the Hasselblad. if the 1 Hasselblad image looks better then that's all I need.
Your H6d must had an issue with af, I've been using H6D100c and it was spot on 99% times :)
The camera came directly from Hasselblad, they personally check them before sending out. The AF in the camera is unfortunately dated now, it’s not going to perform like some of the latest cameras on the market.
and a correction here, the 50mm lens on the hasselblad is a WIDE ANGLE lens, the HC80mm F2.8 is the 'standard, even for this Hasselblad (v system is 6x6 and has this as std lens as well); so this equivalent is more like a 28-35mm lens, and the 120 is more akin to the 60mm macro lenses in 35mm format terms.
The H6-400 is used in the main for museums archival work and
product photography so Manuel focus is used. I have the H5 and have never had a out of focus image using
true focus, you cannot use pixel shift on movement with the H6-400.
Yes that’s correct. Although true focus isn’t perfect especially when your shooting at wider apertures.
What museum use it?
Are the lenses from Fuji sharper or/and is the Fuji already baking higher sharpness values into the raw file?
Fuji lenses are sharper. The H mount lenses are pretty old now and even Hasselblads own XCD lenses are far sharper than the H mount lenses.
@@Sondercreative nice
Hey Usman! Thanks for the video again!
I think you have some problem with your 45mm F2.8 lens because I can clearly say that it is very sharp lens wide open. I sometimes use sharpness settings -1 when I shoot portrait. Maybe in these shots , you missed the focus ?
Also thanks for showing us how good is GFX100 sensor is even it is 1.5 times smaller than Hasselblad H6D-100c. Fuji GF lenses are of the best in my opinion. 😁
I hope we can see bigger sensor medium format camera from Fujifilm with smaller form factor. I would love to buy FF Medium Format Sensor Fuji.
Cheers!
I've test shot 3 versions of the 45mm f2.8 lens and they've always been a bit soft. I hope I'm wrong about that. Do you shoot wide open often?
Agree, maybe a bad copy of the 45mm, we know that fuji is not the best with their QA. My 45 is insanely sharp wide open, really top (and checking the tests done by Jim Kasson looks like the 45 is on the top)
I kind of agree, according to MTF charts Fuji GF lenses are sharper on the center with more fall off than Hasselblad XCD lenses but, Hasselblad looks to be more consistent in sharpness. Don't know about the Hasselblad HCD lenses but, maybe it is slightly worse because of the optical design based on SLR based design with bigger flange distances but, regardless both are phenomenal systems and one wouldn't mind really getting one over the other.
@@RaistlinMaj Seems like I've terrible luck with that lens then. I'll take a deeper look into it then. Thank you for that much appreciated.
@@Sondercreative I always shoot wide open with my 45mm F2.8 lens. It is crazy sharp. If you want I can send one of the files
did you make a custom profile with a color card for either camera?
No, not in this video because the point was to show off results from the cameras without custom adjustments or additional changes.
Sir, thank you for your video. Odd regarding your GF45 as it is not a representation of any that I have owned or used. Perhaps it is faulty or issues with the body you used? Strange as the GF120 performed as normal. You mentioned that all of the ones you had access to were "soft" like this? On the same body? In any case it is nice to see these subjective comparisons online. Pixel shift output is an odd one as the ultra sharp output changed to really soft in the second use case. Not an option I use on my 100s but interesting to see your take on this in this instance. I really loved my Hasselblad cameras but the cost differences. I agree with you regarding the lack of profile option for a basic scene accurate profile. Keeping in mind that the other film sims are not meant to do anything other than match their own film stocks. It would still be helpful for people who do not like to create their own profile which is easy but as you have stated, not something that consumers would even bother doing. In my opinion, if Fuji can make the film stock sims, they can just as easily add the "natural" sim as well. Colour science to a science and an art but it is always going to be a sticking point for people who care. Between all the cameras, it is straight out of the camera colour output that people choose or retain their camera systems for. I really don't care about any of the companies on a personal note, I am for the tool that gets the job done and keeps the customers coming back. The art worker who is paying attention and who has skill and experience will get the job done with any tool but the tool that allows for less "steps" is the tool that the art worker will love. I am curious about the X2D and 90 vs my current GF110 and GFX 100s. Who knows ? hehe. Life is too short to be a fanboy and miss out on so much incredible innovation.
Have a nice day.
Yes it would seem as though the 45mm was in fact faulty. Thank you for the kind words and for your thoughts, much appreciated.
@@Sondercreative You are very welcome Sonder. Keep doing your thing. I love photography and it is entertaining and pleasant to see that after all of these years, the photographic interest levels have not really changes. Though the platforms for expressing ourselves has continues to evolve.
I changed the autowhitebalance to fixed 5500K , depend of the light. Away was the magnenta shift on my GFX 50s. Dit you set the whitebalance ?
Yes we always shoot with a fixed white balance when doing reviews.
nice to see the gfx 100 compared to the h400!
for the film simulations, when I started doing photography we were doing a lot’s of 4x5 "reproduction of silk for hermès we were using :
Provia as a based film as colors are close to reallity.
Astia when there were a lot of green color as Provia isn’t the best with this color.
Velvia for vivid colors.
Kodak epp with fluocolors
Kodak epr for skin tone..
I may have inversed those kodak use, it was 15y ago and those film ain’t produce anymore..
I use a xpro on my spare time and those film simulation matches the way they were.
I agree a raw with no simulation at all could be nice to have but it can be corrected in post.
I wanted to change my db for a while and think I gonna rent a gfx100 to have a look at it’s full potential for product photography.
the fact that the 120mm is mostly good with a fully oppend apperture might be an issue for this use.. that’s why the zeiss one for hasselblad is good for this as it’s best around 11!
thanks for the video
Hasselblad replicates more the Film Look. Honestly I think it stands out more.
It would be interesting to see the gfx100 and the Phase One IQ4
In my experience the colours would be better on the Phase but not quite as good as Hassy.
Some of the latest Phase lenses could outperform Fuji however overall the differences would be negligible.
Dynamic range is slightly better on the Phase when it comes to highlights.
Sharpness is negligible.
However, Phase have more interesting lenses available like the 150mm f2.8.
Don't know if someone mentioned this but the color difference is 8bit color in the fuji and 16bit color in the Hasselblad. That is the big difference in color rendition.
The raw files are 16-bit in Fujifilm. Jpegs are 8bit in general however that's true for all cameras.
I don't think any camera manufacturer offers 8bit raw files at the moment, that would be pretty poor :).
I noticed the fuji lacks the background depth in comparison
The fuji seems to have a lot of in camera process that is colour shift and sharpening.
I have used Hassies for some years auto focus on all is very accurate, agree if the subject moves you are f***ed it was not designed for moving subjects. The xcd 2 copes very well and autofocus and movement, is easier and quicker, more accurate than manual (miss the split image).
So what is wrong with focussing, recomposing then firing. I question the sharpness issue you have there must be something wrong somewhere.
Every single lens I have from Hasselblad is sharp if focused correctly. The camera is slower yes agree, but it gives time to concentrate on composure. There is a need for two systems such as D5/Z9 and the Hassy, you wouldn’t take a Rolls on the race track and expect to win, also you would not take a F1 on the road and expect to be comfortable.
Lets face it the focusing on these cameras is far better than the manual focus that was totally unable to keep up with anything moving. We are spoilt with the quick focus that is available. Its like going to see a show and viewing all of it through your phone thereby missing most of what is going on.
I much prefer RAW, untouched out of the camera and using post to knock it about to get my desired effect. If it was knocked about in the camera I would never have the untouched image to play with.
Just my thoughts.
But with which camera you recorded this video
Usman, pixel shift from Fuji should be done very very cautiously. I am also surprised about 45mm. It supposed to be one of the sharpest lenses from Fuji. I am totally agree in terms of colors.
Pixel shift needs to be done cautiously on all cameras including the Hasselblad it's one of those things which remains consistent despite camera models.
In regards to the 45mm, it would seem that I may have had a faulty lens.
@@Sondercreative thanks for your reply. I know about the pixel shift experience from Fuji. You need a concrete floor and you have to leave your place while camera is doing the work. It is not practical by any means. I think Fuji itself knows that their pixel shift has problem. About your 45mm yes I am sure you got a faulty one which also makes me anxious that they don't check their lenses. Fuji used to get all good words from their ambassadors which in the end the costumers loose the benefits.
keep good work man :)
Thanks a lot for doing such comparison. Any chance to consider comparing hasselblad x1d vs h5d50? I played with a h5d50 but never managed to compare the 2 side by side. It might be a subtle difference but worth covering it. I could not find any conclusive review on this.
Overcoming semantics, “neutral” look is almost unattainable these days, even beyond the realm of photography.
I appreciate your honest point of view and it just happens to agree with your conclusions :-)
I haven't compared them side by side, however the X1D system has far better quality lenses available. XCD lenses are clearly a step ahead of the H-mount lenses and I think that puts the X1D ahead of the H5D and H6D cameras.
@@Sondercreative Thanks for your thoughts. I agree with you, yet the price for the H5D50 is almost double than a X1D mark 1 (on the second hand market). I thought that there is something I am missing :)
The thing i notice ia that hassy tend to render the skin tone to much neutral/natural which looks pleasing. And the transition from highlight to midtones and shadow are smoother. While fuji is quite strong in the transition hence looks contrasty.
The Hasselblad HD system are wonderful cameras. A lot of the difference in contrast though in this case is related to the lens. The micro contrast difference between lenses in most companies line ups tend to be very different in rendering the same scene/exposure. This is great when the photographer has knowledge of their kit as you will like this more in a macro for example. The GF120 is like this and this is one of the key differences between it and the GF110 which is far more "pleasing" for skin rendition.
both hands for gfx, the camera for life. And its such a big format!
If you were to fix Fuji colours in capture one, what would be the magic formula that you have to set once and would work for every photo in the Fujifilm to give you right starting point with no colour cheaker
If it possible, and you are interested, maybe make a video to tech us.
@@bassamhassan1119 the best way in my opinion is to create a custom ICC profile using a colour checker digital SG. It’s a little pricey for what it is but the results it produces makes the GFX camera system something that’s probably unbeatable.
Bit of a hassle making the profiles though lol.
@@Sondercreative thanks for your reply, but do I need to make it for every shoot or just once
@@bassamhassan1119 it depends. With icc profiles you generally create one for the lens and camera set up your planning on using in a controlled environment. Once done it should be ok for most scenarios.
After that you just need to white balance correctly for every scene but you don’t necessarily need to create an icc profile.
Having said that, I generally create a new one per meaningful project.
After watching this movie, there is no reason, other than maybe nostalgia, to get the Hasselblad. Cost, sharpness & focus are the compelling factors; one has to search for reasons to see how & where the Hasse is better. I simply don't the see the significant advantage you are touting. Can't wait to see your follow-up videos. I rather enjoyed this compare/ contrast shootout.
The Hasselblad is a lot older so it's a mismatch but yes some great points from you. Having said that the pixel shift feature does put this camera in a different category.
Obviously you don't use strobes. In any case I am glad there are still more than one company making MF cameras. Each person has differing needs/desires and desires do count A LOT!!! given what you shoot in terms of subject matter as well as your particular process. In many cases I personally do not use medium format where many of the "features" that most people use to measure or compare cameras/systems so most of those things like FPS, AF, etc are moot. I have "fast" systems for those things. My medium format use is specialized as I would imagine it is for most people.
By going with a more specialized system like a medium format camera one compromises A LOT of the things that are general comparison parameters. I have no clue why one would use medium format if speed is paramount for the situation, flash?? why would one want a slow focal plane shutter??, comprehensiveness in lens choice???? who cares as long as the system has what you actually use, all Nikon/Canon/Etc APS-C or FF have far more lens choices if it's just choices. Portability??? Certainly not.
My point is by choosing medium format one automatically trades off many of the things you value to something else, whatever that may be. I cannot see anyone choosing an h6d-400ms unless that pixel shift performance is one of the priorities. OTOH a h6d-100 with HC leaf shutter lenses might be just the ticket if most of your work is flash in a wide variety of location setups. Etc Etc
I wish there were more choices rather than less but that doesn't appear to be the way of the future in terms of medium format cameras/systems since they are becoming extremely specialized.
Can't the color profile be corrected in software?
It can but requires either other tools or an export colour grader.
H6D has True Focus. Made especially to aid fast fashion shoots. Why did you not use it? The mechanism is different, not a form of either phase or contrast autofocus. it would be faster and more precise than Autofocus. I use it on my H5D. Also, HCD lenses(unlike XCD) have phase detect. Also note that many Hasselblad fashion photographers shoot tethered -- which would be better for checking focus on a bigger display of the laptop or desktop.
I have Hasselblad. It's difficult camera to work. You need many experience with Hasselblad to use them property. But working with H system is like driving 90' Mercedes. It's made without compromises.
It was made without compromises for the time. Its far behind now in virtually every category except for colours. But colours are more important than most other things.
@@Sondercreative I agree, but as a user of A7RIII I found more advantages. Cheap (now) great lenses, exceptional sharpness with sensor . And last and the most important: gradients. On A7RIII I have problems with posterisation, on Hasselblad all gradients are smooth. I never tried GFX, maybe it's solution for me.
Please tell me you meant the hassy has a prism? 😳 I'm imagining the hump opening up to reveal an optical finder.
The hassy does have an optical view Finder
A couple of things fuji "classic chrome" would be a better and more fair comparison to the Hasse for "natural color" Hasselblads have no film simulation choices compared to the Fuji... I'm old school and a lot of my shooters shot Hassies back in the film days. The color is amazing. The auto focus is much better as you state in the vid. with GFX. The 45mm in the Hassie is extremely sharp ( landscapes@ F11 ) would like to see that compared to the 23mm Fuji. And what the 110mm Fuji vs equivalent Hassie portrait lens would be?? Portrait to portrait. You shot the wrong kind of image with the Macro 120 comparisons... should have been flowers or bugs close in.... The GFX 110mm @ f2 - depth of field fall off is amazing. Nice to see someone actually comparing real medium format to Fuji GFX... thanks!
I only received two lenses for the comparison so I had to make do lol.
It is sad that Hasselblad haven’t updated their H6D camera to the latest 150MP Sony sensor with Backside Illuminated (BSI) Sensor with phase detect autofocus. They are now three years behind in terms of technology compare to competitors such as Phase One XF IQ4.
For smaller 44X33mm medium format sensor. Hasselblad also haven’t updated their X1D camera to the latest 100MP Sony sensor Fujifilm is currently using. GFX 100S have already prove you can pact all of these modern camera features into a compact body similar in size of a X1D.
and yet you can see the Hasse can recreate the colors so much better . its not just about swapping sensors.
in my opinion that people actually buy Hasselblad H6D 400c probably knows how to quickly manual focusing their camera in studio.
True, using virtually any camera in the studio is easy. Thank you for watching :)
Sharpness could be from native processing. I think Fuji boosts it's sharpness at the expensive of tonality.
Yeah and good Macro lenses are usually really sharp often to sharp
Diminishing returns, but of course the Hasselblad is better. Though, I doubt I will ever buy one and I'm happy with my GFX
There Hasselblad isn’t “better” though they just have their own respective benefits. Both are good at certain things and worse at other things.
The GFX is a brilliant camera I hope it serves you well.
gfx killing that!
Was anyone else mildly nervous the way he was handling the cameras? He didn't do anything wrong, it was just like....that 50k (or 10k!) could drop so easily lol
Lol yea maybe I should use a strap :p
Hasselblad looking natural cinematic classic image.
IMO Hasselblads images are so Much more pleasant to the eyes when it comes to portraits. That macro lens from Fuji is ridicious when it comes to sharpness as macro lenses usually are but its to sharp on people for my taste . Its like hasselblads lenses and Tones are made for portraits. Sharp where they should be sharp and not to harsch on the skin. Hasselblads color science on skin esp dark skinmed people is amazing. If someone have me one with lenses i Would choose Hasselblad but if i have to pay for myself i Would buy Fuji and spend alittle more time in photoshop. Both amazing cameras for portraits .
Johan ... as I just posted with Nexus Comm, I've got the GFX100s with GF lenses and several Hasselblad HD with HC lenses ... as you & Nexus know, it's easier to "tone down" an overly sharp image rather than improve sharpness of a less sharp image in either "in camera or "in post" ... people seem to love Hassy/ Zeiss portraits which don't need to be tack-sharp ... but, ironically, a lot of earlier HC lenses were made by Fujifilm. so ...
@@robertbartelmes7623 aha Didnt know that Fuji made them .....wish i had rhem both
This guy have a point... but many will be hard pill to swallow. But yes Hasselblad is in a different league. I like Hasselblad cameras it’s my dream camera actually.
I think you are wrong on the first test. The 45mm was not focused correctly. If you look at the hair is same sharp as the 50mm. The hair is sharp and the face is not, so it's a problem of focus there.
You also cropped more on the 45mm which makes it not quite an equal comparison. On top of that I don't think the f3.5 equal exactly f2.8 on fuji, but maybe it's just me.
The lens was focussed properly however several people have pointed out how I may have recieved a faulty copy of that lens.
Great comparison - super interesting to me as a GFX shooter.
ignore the haters; they're too lazy to make their own perfect comparisons. :eyeroll:
I would send in your 45GF for service - mine is waayyyy sharper.
Yea a few people have mentioned that about the 45mm so seems like I had a faulty copy.
Thank you so much for watching, much appreciated
Hassel just out of focus easily...but colour is much superior than Fuji...Hassel vs Fuji in colour sector make me think of Nikon vs Canon in 35mm..
Great video 👍🏾 your daughter is beautiful.
I’m going to still that pose for my daughter if she will sit still long enough.
Very kind of you to say thank you very much.
whats best or not there is as many different opinions as there is photographers and colors can be adjusted with white ballance or filmsimulation i have the gfx100s and my gf45 lens is my sharpest and best rendering lense i have 5 gf lenses
Colours can be adjusted your absolutely right, but it is a mighty task and not as simple as many photographers like to state.
Colours take a long time to master and it’s probably one of the most difficult things to get right. This is why Fuji really need to offer a better colour profile.
Hasselblad has yellowish colors which is not depend on the camera model (not just H6D 400, same as other HB cameras) On the other hand, I do not know why but fuji seems has more bright(more brightened than real colors) as a comparison. It 's also unwanted situation of course. Although both of them has good quality , I prefer Fuji.
The Hasselblad is just a better camera when it comes to the image, BUT, Fuji has a way better ecosystem.
Any lenses you buy for the GFX can also be used on any of their much smaller cameras.
While Hasselblad also has some smaller cameras, they’re not as versatile as the Fuji. And you also get weather sealing on the Fuji.
It’s a hard choice.
and compare this Hasselblad camera with a full frame camera like Nikon Z9 and Sony A1. Or wait there till the second half of 2023 when Canon R1 comes into the market
We did that a few years ago.
That’s an interesting comparison. Fuji is definitely biased towards magenta even the X trans has similar color science. For I prefer the skin from the Fuji, im not a fan of the muted half tones Hasselblad and especially Canon give.
The colors can easily be adjusted using a different profile or creating a custom one. Hasselblad needs to innovate beyond the X1D...lens-wise, Phase One has outperformed them and the small medium format cameras are just better in almost every way, apart from the sensor size.
Yes that’s mostly correct about the custom profile however that’s not the point. Almost any camera system is better with a custom profile that’s true for essentially every manufacturer. Fujifilm still needs to do something about its profiles though.
@@Sondercreative objective vs subjective - I like them 😉
sometimes getting slow will makes u feel good
It might be a problem of your 45mm gf lens. I can guarantee that lens is ridiculously sharp!
Seems like that may be the case
stop pointing out the fuji lenses, the hassleblad sensor has just more richness and details on it. its not the sharpness, its the detail
Both sensors are 16-bit, both produced by Sony and the Fuji sensor is more modern with BSI tech.
Your 45mm has a focus issue. My 45mm is very sharp, as good as the 110mm. Your 45mm looks very soft to be honest.
Yes a few people pointed that out. Thank you for confirming