@@mikek6150yea but aedra and daedra are not much different theyre basically like tamriels version of angels and demons of all religions here on earth so while daedra are usually demonic in nature aedra are angelic in nature all the followers of aedra have defined them as divine and angelic compared to daedra so theyre not a big mystery as u think now dwemer/dwarves are a complete mystery
You know I basically just accepted this quest on its face when I played Oblivion at first but you're right, it's kind of insane. What if he painted another Truepaint brush? You can breathe in the painted world, is he painting air? Can you paint air? Could you duplicate other daedric artifacts by imagining them with the brush? It's a funny quest to pick apart looking back.
Id like to imagine that you can try drawing daedric artifacts but not truelly replicate the magic of the daedra same with painting another brush of truepaint
IMO the brush is part of the Dibella = Y’ffre puzzle. Both are associated with Music, Singing, and the beauty of nature. Y’ffre is mentioned through both male and female pronouns. Notably, in Khajiit mythology, Y’ffre is said to have presented Nirn with the first flower and Dibella is always shown in her statues presenting a lily. For her part, Dibella’s imagery is primarily centered around plant life within the imperial cult. Both are also “never seen in the same place”, so to speak, as Elvish leaning mythologies recognize Y’ffre while the races of Man recognize Dibella(except Bretons who are a mix of man and mer). Lastly, one of the ESO loremaster articles straight up mentions the connection between Dibella and Y’ffre/Jephre with one of the questioners having Altmer and Nordic parents who refer to Dibella and Jephre as echoes of each other. Y’ffre is said to have shaped reality through songs and stories; art forms essentially. What is a painting if not a physical expression of a song or a story? A picture can paint a thousand words after all. I think the brush utilizes that concept to create a “new story” within Tamriel. A pocket realm within which the user has those abilities of Y’ffre/Dibella once used to shape Nirn. Similarly, Wardens are mentioned as being able to manipulate magical reality through Y’ffre as well and Spinners can manipulate past memories of individuals by controlling their “story”. I think these and the brush are all different ways of Y’ffre/Dibella blessing mortals with whatever power they have left.
Okay so one thing you bring up is that you don’t think Dibella would just leave her artifact lying around. But Auriel does just that with his shield in dawnguard. Some random falmer is just messing around with it lol.
Very true but was it Auri El who actually gave that artifact? Wasnt the story of Auri El’s bow and shield that it was handed down for generations and only then fell into the falmers hands when the chantry fell?
I would also consider Sheogorath as another potential candidate for a Deadric Prince who could give them the brush simce literally allowing someones fantasies to become reality, and in essence trapping people in their own fantasy is a perfect way of generating more madness and insanity. Plus he is known to be a patron of artists of sorts, in his own twisted way. Unlike Clavicus Vile he would probably just do it because he thought it was funny on a whim, too, so no calculation or fair warnings would probably be given. And we know he had a penchant for creating or otherwise influencing pocket realms, from Skyrim, Oblivion and also ESO Ayvea.
See now I’m thinking about it like, what if you took a commission for a portrait of a local ruler? You go into a painting and create a replica of a living person? Does it have memories? Does it know that it’s going to be in stasis on a wall?
It is actually likely an artifact of Vaermina. She is the Daedric Prince of artisans, of all things, on top of nightmares and such. This guy just inherited it, so he doesn't likely know the full story, as his father (or whomever), isn't exactly likely to brag about making a deal with one of them. Though, he is an elf, so... maybe he just kept it a secret to preserve his reputation.
The daedric prince Vaermina... Truepaint sounds similar to the way Vaermina cultists say your dreams can be as real as waking life.. not that I think she'd save someone being tortured, but maybe she'd have a reason to though lol
In a way, if in the Elder Scrolls universe reality is dictated by belief, whether that be in the gods or daedric princes. Then perhaps paintings which require the interpretation of us mortals have the capacity to become our own daedric realms of reality governed by what we think we perceive.
I’ve watched your videos for a long time. Thank you for all the hard work you do putting these out there to us loyal fans! Would you consider doing a video on the Vigilants of Stendarr? I watched your video on Stendarr and you mentioned you might do one. Thanks for hearing me out!
If the brush can create creatures that possess souls, wouldn't that automatically lock daedra out of the debate, because they can't create, only corrupt? Or am I misremembering something?
As to whether or not it is an artifact of Clavicus Vile... I lean towards not. Clavicus Vile gives artifacts when he makes specific pacts. Even if he were to have made a pact with some of these trapped people, he did not make any pact with the Lythandas family or any of its members, as far as we know. Also it has not simply disappeared after a while away from its original bearer like a Daedric artifact would. Daedric Princes reclaim their artifacts in time. This artifact remains after centuries. Whether or not it is Aedric is another question entirely of course. I like to think it is an artifact of Dibella, but I cannot be certain.
It might even be a daedric artifact of Sheogorath. Sheogorath has a story where he went into Nirn once, discovered the joy of music and painting, and proceeded to create memetic hazards that made everyone who looked at his art crazy. Surely the god of madness would gift a bunch of crazy captives the perfect instrument to make their mad delusions real.
The Aedra has Aetherius, were they have their own realms, just like the Daedra have their planes of Oblivion. Dibella could have a painted plane of existance, a musical, or a loving plane. It's a fairly untouched subject Aetherius, with us only visiting Sovngarde, The Far Shores and a slight incursion into the Mantellan Crux. The realms might function like Oblivion were when you killed summoned daedric creatures you could harvest them and bring it back to mondus, similiar to the painted trolls. Who knows maybe we will see more in the future.
I think you got it mixed up a bit. Aedra don't "have Aetherius", since it was specifically stated numerous times, that while some gods, including Magnus, escaped into Aetherius, Aedra and some other gods decided to stay due to being unable to escape, or not wanting to. Aedra and their planes are residing in Mundus
Honestly, the Clavicus Vile twist would be pretty good. And even if a Daedric Prince couldn’t create souls, all that he would have to do is recycle the ones of the people that died in the painted worlds until someone soul-gemmed them out. Plus, I’d be angry at the painter too if I died in the painted worlds and then got turned into a deer or a troll. Totally motivation to kill the nearest person with True Paint.
I’m playing through Daggerfall right now. Is there any relation between these painted worlds and the moving painting that you steal for Queen Akorithi?
If his grandfather was as evil as we are made to believe, why would he not have used this brush for evil? I mean maybe the full power of the brush isn't understood within game. Do any of the alchemists buying painted troll fat know how it is made, or is that part still secret? Depending on how it works, a portrait of Tiber Septim, the Heart of Lorkhan, many such possibilities.
I think through sheer quantity of quests theres some bad writing here and there (especially in the base game) but in my opinion its also had some of the best storytelling in the series.
Rythe has an impostor syndrome with his painting but I've always thought that, if you are the one who imagined it, then you are the rightful creator of the painting. Sure, he doesn't have the mechanical skills to put his imagination to the canvas but that can always be practiced. A lot of artists will tell you that after a certain point, the technical skill isn't what makes art "art". Is an architect less talented because he did not build the house themselves? Just an interesting artistic / philosophical thought...
Wait a second. What would happen if he painted a human or an elf, and they came alive and he let them out of the painting? Then he would have effectively created life. The trolls had souls, why would painted men and mer not have them?
Probably this is a realm in oblivion, and the paint itself is a ilusion to make that realm look like a canvas, and the living creatures that are create by this brush is in fact demodras with some ilusion spell to make then look like what you imagine, then when you bring it out of the paint...
Yeah, the aedras only interfer in end of the world kind shit, like on the war between dragons and nords for example, no fucking way she just gave a artifact so powerfull (man really, this thing can create food and resorcers from nothing, unlimited) to be missused, anyone with this brush can literally rule de world, need weapons? got it, need money? got it, need armors that are indestructible? got it. Becase yeah, you can create anything that you imagine, and puff, it appears. What happens when you want to create a replica from the skeleton key for exemple? or a replica from the brush itself? this obvisly is not a aedra arctifact, and even there are other exemples of daedras impersonating another beeing to trick people. Like, if this is mean to help the capitives, why the brush still is on the evil sorcerer's family? propably was mean to the sorcerer, and fulfilled its function.
Playing Oblivion and hearing this story I called BS. This has "daedra" written all over it. Guessed Rythes father just made the story up to his son to avoid any objections.
@@satanamogila9251 ...And Oblivion was being developed even earlier than that. Look, just admit the truth - Dark Souls 1 got the idea from Oblivion :^) Or, you know, they came up with it separately because magical paintings that you can enter have been a thing in fantasy writing and video games for a long time. Heck Mario had worlds inside paintings long before either game.
Wish they'd do more with aedric artifacts, I've always thought they were a cool concept.
Agree. Add more Aedric/Daedric anything. Settings, quests that aren't just item grabs, characters, etc. Would be a nice change of pace.
Only reason I disagree is that they maintain their allure by being so unknown and it definitely puts them in a different echelon to daedric
@@mikek6150yea but aedra and daedra are not much different theyre basically like tamriels version of angels and demons of all religions here on earth so while daedra are usually demonic in nature aedra are angelic in nature all the followers of aedra have defined them as divine and angelic compared to daedra so theyre not a big mystery as u think now dwemer/dwarves are a complete mystery
You know I basically just accepted this quest on its face when I played Oblivion at first but you're right, it's kind of insane. What if he painted another Truepaint brush? You can breathe in the painted world, is he painting air? Can you paint air? Could you duplicate other daedric artifacts by imagining them with the brush? It's a funny quest to pick apart looking back.
Brb making a new heart of Lorkhan
Id like to imagine that you can try drawing daedric artifacts but not truelly replicate the magic of the daedra same with painting another brush of truepaint
Making a harem
IMO the brush is part of the Dibella = Y’ffre puzzle. Both are associated with Music, Singing, and the beauty of nature. Y’ffre is mentioned through both male and female pronouns. Notably, in Khajiit mythology, Y’ffre is said to have presented Nirn with the first flower and Dibella is always shown in her statues presenting a lily. For her part, Dibella’s imagery is primarily centered around plant life within the imperial cult.
Both are also “never seen in the same place”, so to speak, as Elvish leaning mythologies recognize Y’ffre while the races of Man recognize Dibella(except Bretons who are a mix of man and mer). Lastly, one of the ESO loremaster articles straight up mentions the connection between Dibella and Y’ffre/Jephre with one of the questioners having Altmer and Nordic parents who refer to Dibella and Jephre as echoes of each other.
Y’ffre is said to have shaped reality through songs and stories; art forms essentially. What is a painting if not a physical expression of a song or a story? A picture can paint a thousand words after all. I think the brush utilizes that concept to create a “new story” within Tamriel. A pocket realm within which the user has those abilities of Y’ffre/Dibella once used to shape Nirn. Similarly, Wardens are mentioned as being able to manipulate magical reality through Y’ffre as well and Spinners can manipulate past memories of individuals by controlling their “story”. I think these and the brush are all different ways of Y’ffre/Dibella blessing mortals with whatever power they have left.
So you're telling me by the time of skyrim my man figured out how to paint the painted troll mob farm.
Nice.
why pant the troll itself, if you can paint only the fat?
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He could've painted an army to stop the Aldmeri Dominion. He can still do it! But he won't!
Okay so one thing you bring up is that you don’t think Dibella would just leave her artifact lying around. But Auriel does just that with his shield in dawnguard. Some random falmer is just messing around with it lol.
Very true but was it Auri El who actually gave that artifact? Wasnt the story of Auri El’s bow and shield that it was handed down for generations and only then fell into the falmers hands when the chantry fell?
I never realised Truepaint was such a terrifying tool.
I would also consider Sheogorath as another potential candidate for a Deadric Prince who could give them the brush simce literally allowing someones fantasies to become reality, and in essence trapping people in their own fantasy is a perfect way of generating more madness and insanity. Plus he is known to be a patron of artists of sorts, in his own twisted way. Unlike Clavicus Vile he would probably just do it because he thought it was funny on a whim, too, so no calculation or fair warnings would probably be given. And we know he had a penchant for creating or otherwise influencing pocket realms, from Skyrim, Oblivion and also ESO Ayvea.
Always love your videos man, you are the only one that makes me still have interest in elder scrolls lore with your videos on these unique topics
yeah, i love that he covers niche and weird topics in elder scrolls since most other channels just cover the big stuff like daedra, dragons and builds
See now I’m thinking about it like, what if you took a commission for a portrait of a local ruler? You go into a painting and create a replica of a living person? Does it have memories? Does it know that it’s going to be in stasis on a wall?
It is actually likely an artifact of Vaermina. She is the Daedric Prince of artisans, of all things, on top of nightmares and such. This guy just inherited it, so he doesn't likely know the full story, as his father (or whomever), isn't exactly likely to brag about making a deal with one of them. Though, he is an elf, so... maybe he just kept it a secret to preserve his reputation.
The daedric prince Vaermina... Truepaint sounds similar to the way Vaermina cultists say your dreams can be as real as waking life.. not that I think she'd save someone being tortured, but maybe she'd have a reason to though lol
This has always been one of my favorite quests in Oblivion, thank you for covering it
In a way, if in the Elder Scrolls universe reality is dictated by belief, whether that be in the gods or daedric princes. Then perhaps paintings which require the interpretation of us mortals have the capacity to become our own daedric realms of reality governed by what we think we perceive.
I’ve watched your videos for a long time. Thank you for all the hard work you do putting these out there to us loyal fans!
Would you consider doing a video on the Vigilants of Stendarr? I watched your video on Stendarr and you mentioned you might do one.
Thanks for hearing me out!
Ill take a look at whether there is a lot of substantial lore on them!
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Thank you for your knowledge 🙌
I always collect some of that painted troll fat as a souvenir to put up in my room at the castle
If the brush can create creatures that possess souls, wouldn't that automatically lock daedra out of the debate, because they can't create, only corrupt?
Or am I misremembering something?
I think that's a Tolkien thing. The Daedra create stuff all the time, they just didn't participate in creating Nirn (making them Daedra) ((usually))
@@userequaltoNull Daedra don't "create stuff all the time", they only change the stuff that already there
I got it.... takes true paint enters painted world, paints Reman Cyrodil, takes Reman Cyrodil out of paint and wala a new emperor
As to whether or not it is an artifact of Clavicus Vile... I lean towards not.
Clavicus Vile gives artifacts when he makes specific pacts. Even if he were to have made a pact with some of these trapped people, he did not make any pact with the Lythandas family or any of its members, as far as we know. Also it has not simply disappeared after a while away from its original bearer like a Daedric artifact would. Daedric Princes reclaim their artifacts in time. This artifact remains after centuries.
Whether or not it is Aedric is another question entirely of course. I like to think it is an artifact of Dibella, but I cannot be certain.
Thanks! I enjoy your vids.👍
Thanks a lot! I really appreciate it!
This quest always fascinates me.
It might even be a daedric artifact of Sheogorath. Sheogorath has a story where he went into Nirn once, discovered the joy of music and painting, and proceeded to create memetic hazards that made everyone who looked at his art crazy.
Surely the god of madness would gift a bunch of crazy captives the perfect instrument to make their mad delusions real.
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The Aedra has Aetherius, were they have their own realms, just like the Daedra have their planes of Oblivion. Dibella could have a painted plane of existance, a musical, or a loving plane. It's a fairly untouched subject Aetherius, with us only visiting Sovngarde, The Far Shores and a slight incursion into the Mantellan Crux. The realms might function like Oblivion were when you killed summoned daedric creatures you could harvest them and bring it back to mondus, similiar to the painted trolls. Who knows maybe we will see more in the future.
I think you got it mixed up a bit. Aedra don't "have Aetherius", since it was specifically stated numerous times, that while some gods, including Magnus, escaped into Aetherius, Aedra and some other gods decided to stay due to being unable to escape, or not wanting to. Aedra and their planes are residing in Mundus
Dragon tail mountains lore video they have a battlegrounds map on eso called mor khazgur and it shares the same name as one in skyrim
i love this kinds of videos
Imo the best quest in any ESx.
Impressive
Will you do a lore video on the imperial legion?
So you're telling me Rythe Lythandas could've painted an army to stop the Aldmeri Dominion's invasion of Cyrodil?
Imagine if the one using truepaint imagined a new aurbis as a painted world 😎
Honestly, the Clavicus Vile twist would be pretty good. And even if a Daedric Prince couldn’t create souls, all that he would have to do is recycle the ones of the people that died in the painted worlds until someone soul-gemmed them out. Plus, I’d be angry at the painter too if I died in the painted worlds and then got turned into a deer or a troll. Totally motivation to kill the nearest person with True Paint.
*Dark Souls III PTSD flashbacks intensifies*
If I had the brush, i'd draw a bunch of big tiddy anime girls in skimpy clothing
I really did not want to sketch that scenario in the video
FBI spittin' straight facts.
I’m playing through Daggerfall right now. Is there any relation between these painted worlds and the moving painting that you steal for Queen Akorithi?
Hey, I know this painting world from Dark souls !
No wait
*Its inhabitants, kind.*
If his grandfather was as evil as we are made to believe, why would he not have used this brush for evil? I mean maybe the full power of the brush isn't understood within game. Do any of the alchemists buying painted troll fat know how it is made, or is that part still secret? Depending on how it works, a portrait of Tiber Septim, the Heart of Lorkhan, many such possibilities.
It’s such a cool concept and story. I feel like the ESO part is written so poorly though compared to the main titles though it’s really unfortunate.
ESO is just something to just avoid all around. Poor placeholder for the actual ES series.
@@jayl5032Yea i think that too. Like look at the amount of lore inconsistency that is in Eso...
I think through sheer quantity of quests theres some bad writing here and there (especially in the base game) but in my opinion its also had some of the best storytelling in the series.
This weapon will uselss to me bec I am bad at drawing
Get ready for a real life Frankendoodle from Spongebob
Rythe has an impostor syndrome with his painting but I've always thought that, if you are the one who imagined it, then you are the rightful creator of the painting. Sure, he doesn't have the mechanical skills to put his imagination to the canvas but that can always be practiced. A lot of artists will tell you that after a certain point, the technical skill isn't what makes art "art". Is an architect less talented because he did not build the house themselves? Just an interesting artistic / philosophical thought...
Sheogorath?
I wonder if there ist a single painting in all of skyrim.
Wait a second. What would happen if he painted a human or an elf, and they came alive and he let them out of the painting? Then he would have effectively created life. The trolls had souls, why would painted men and mer not have them?
Probably this is a realm in oblivion, and the paint itself is a ilusion to make that realm look like a canvas, and the living creatures that are create by this brush is in fact demodras with some ilusion spell to make then look like what you imagine, then when you bring it out of the paint...
Yeah, the aedras only interfer in end of the world kind shit, like on the war between dragons and nords for example, no fucking way she just gave a artifact so powerfull (man really, this thing can create food and resorcers from nothing, unlimited) to be missused, anyone with this brush can literally rule de world, need weapons? got it, need money? got it, need armors that are indestructible? got it. Becase yeah, you can create anything that you imagine, and puff, it appears. What happens when you want to create a replica from the skeleton key for exemple? or a replica from the brush itself? this obvisly is not a aedra arctifact, and even there are other exemples of daedras impersonating another beeing to trick people.
Like, if this is mean to help the capitives, why the brush still is on the evil sorcerer's family? propably was mean to the sorcerer, and fulfilled its function.
sounds like a clavicus vile artifact too me
Playing Oblivion and hearing this story I called BS. This has "daedra" written all over it. Guessed Rythes father just made the story up to his son to avoid any objections.
All the weebs.... "My anime wifu dream is achievable. "
ESO try not to retcon old lore and make it worse challenge: IMPOSSIBLE
To be fair I kinda like this addition. Not everything eso does but this specific one was pretty good imo.
😍 *Promo SM*
The idea of painted world in TES is fully plagiarized from Dark Souls
Eh hate to say it but Oblivion came out before Dark Souls mate. 2006 for oblivion and 2011 for dark souls 1
@@ImperialKnowledge so??? Dark souls has been in development since around that time
@@satanamogila9251 ...And Oblivion was being developed even earlier than that. Look, just admit the truth - Dark Souls 1 got the idea from Oblivion :^)
Or, you know, they came up with it separately because magical paintings that you can enter have been a thing in fantasy writing and video games for a long time. Heck Mario had worlds inside paintings long before either game.