I think the wife, Rachel, truly could have snitched. I don't think she wanted to. Did she have more of the ticket exposing the seat number? Probably. She could have brought the authorities directly to Cooper. But I think Rachel loves her husband, kids, and family like. I know she wanted The Butcher caught, but totally ratting him out would remove her from her identity as a mother, wife, and school music theater teacher. Her career and everything she built would essentially be over. Yet, Rachel isnt completely selfish. She wanted the authorities to do the heavy lifting. Better they do their job of finding The Butcher to save face in front of her family and friends.
@@shawtyberry Yeah, I think she is what she wanted. If he was cleared, no harm, no foul, they could move on. If he was guilty, he would have been caught and the police would have protected Riley.
It's videos like this that made me subscribe to your channel. I love an "unconventional" deep dive into a movie, where a person can suss out what a director is actually telling his audience, so this was great. And now that you've pointed it out I can see the recurring themes of family dynamics across all Night's films. I love movies, and will watch almost anything, so I don't have much use for surface analysis like "this movie sucks" or "I give this an 8/10" critiques. What satisfies me is when someone can see ideas and themes in a movie I may have missed, or viewed it through a different lens than I would use. I'm not a religious person, so this viewpoint wouldn't have occurred to me, at all, (but I like to hear such views from someone who's agenda isn't trying to proselytize to me.) It seems that a lot of people are set to hate this movie, and his daughter's movie, because...reasons, but I don't care about any of that. I care if I liked the movie, if I got anything out of it for myself, and I don't use other people's dislike to determine if I'm going to watch something. This movie is just as worthy of analysis as The Watchers, which I also saw, and more or less enjoyed. It wasn't a great movie but his daughter shows promise.
There is a certain dream-like logic to the movie. Like if you were trapped in a dream, and despite everything you do, the dream conspires situations to keep you confined.
This is a great break down, Trap is 10/10. Also to anyone saying this is a reach I think people really don’t give M Night his credit. You don’t have to like his movies but he’s clearly intentional, smart, and creative
@@mgariepy42 Did I say that was the shows only merit? Every review I read or watched stated the movie featured several songs in their entirety written and performed by the daughter. I've heard clips of a couple and I really, really don't like that type of music. Any positives in the movie do not outweigh me wanting to claw my eyes out.
I saw Trap twice on opening day. Your breakdown is masterful. Similar thoughts roll around in my head. One thing I came up with is how everyone in his orbit is "trapped" by him, but he feels there is no "trap" that can catch him. That plastic mask he wears when Jami confirms what the police presence is all about is a placeholder while he perfroms the most difficult mental gymnastics to find a way out. The profiler knows a thing or two about people with his psychopathy. Lady Raven is the heroine, with a weakeness...her presumed athsma diagnosis. Because Cooper is so used to evading police to prey on the unsuspecring without being caught, that when he saw Lady Raven puff on her inhaler he might have assumed she was weak because of his fireman background and his snarky comment about carbon monoxide.
I was saying to my Mrs after watching the film, why is the signing parts so unnecessarily long . Googled the actress and find out with is a song writer and artist. Makes so much sense now as to why half the film was focused on her singing. The cynic in me believes this film was created to promote his daughter's career nothing more . and why was the concert during the day ?
A funny comment(does not reflect my own personal view😆) from another review video: He just makes movies for paying his bills and his wife’s expenses, period. His movies have been crap for years now. I don’t why they keep giving him money to make crap. Dude needs a break to India and come back with a clean head. The part about them giving him money is way off, because he’s been self financing a lot of his recent movies and he’s one of the few headliner directors who’s actually making original movies. Maybe he should also try his hand at writing and directing some Bollywood movies, as well?🤔😆
Thanks for sending this fascinating insight into Trap. I liked your analysis of theme and character. While I may find it a bit disagreeable with the Noah parallel you instilled, no doubt you thought about it and kudos to you for giving it a shot because exercising comparative studies from different sources takes effort. Having said that, I agree on some level that Shyamalan incorporated deeper meaning in the issues laid out, and he says that in a number of his interviews. Diving deeper into narrative logic(s) - I can acknowledge some possible deep-rooted fable, myth or legend associations, but I don't think they are necessarily related to Judaic/Christian parallels. When you informed that the Noah story was flipped, alarm bells rang - It might be true that Shyamalan did that, but that would suggest the story was more of a moral story - when it's not. Shyamalan is noted for saying he wants the audience to think, not be served the message. Secondly, from a writer's perspective, if a flip of a well-known Bible story was placed, the question is why? Shyamalan was not raised Christian, even though he did go to a Catholic school during his upbringing. But even though he did, the concept of inserting Christian values or morals in films usually, not always, stems from a Protestant Christian viewpoint - where the tale appears obvious and purposefully so. Various Catholic versions of inserting values or morals in film often lay out in the mystical or in simple terms, confusing, verging on the metaphorical. You see Mel Gibson's The Passion, which shows very symbolic references to Catholic teachings, which, to the outsider are plain unusual and unfamiliar. Shyamalan was raised Hindu, and that doesn't mean he inserts Hindi values in films, but the concept of character representing an ideology or a theme and using the character's pathway / arc as a means for the ideology act in a personified manner where it realises change occurs and needs to utilise its skills and own understanding to move out of challenging situations - was nicely informed in your analysis in the beginning. As you stated the theme of Trap - doubles, multiplies in its reference, expanding in different levels, and situations - from the public to the domestic, and into the streets of the unknown - and when characters are placed in unfamiliar circumstances, which they do from Cooper to Lady Raven, their qualities display in a way the audience doesn't know. This concept of a figure struggling out of an unwanted situation is mirrored in many examples of literature. And, if you are using legendary texts / myth or fable - then a lot of Norse and Eastern myths have stories similar to trap. The main concept being - a figure comes to a party to which they soon learn were uninvited or treated badly. As a result, they wreak havoc by showing their presence in an unsettling way, trying to prove that the should not have made the figure unhappy. Think of Loki, and in Eastern mythology, other tales of gods upsetting a situation. In these cases, the other gods also have planned ahead, and try to protect themselves by confusing and ultimately trapping the unwanted presence. However, the figure manages to escape - which leads to a - what is going to happen now? - situation. The issue with the Noah analogy is that the foundation of the Noah premise relies on an entity / super natural power / aka god or God, making the protagonist know of their mission and purpose. Secondly, the birds came from within the familiar base of the protagonist. Lady Raven is a stranger. If anything you would use Cooper's wife as a metaphor - but this doesn't gel, because the Noah story doesn't use the theme of trapping. And if you are flipping the Noah story, then you would lay a foundation that says the unforeseen high source of power is a mocking force of negative outcomes planning to doom the protagonist. So, this, and other issues you raised up, just didn't agree with Trap being a Noah analogy. I think there are other myths or stories which probably suit closer to Trap, but overall, well done for giving the comparative angle a go. It was fascinating!
A successful-Capitalist, for sure. Him now being able to create opportunities for his children to also be successful? That only underscores the fact that he has succeeded in the American Capitalist system.👍😎
Hi! Thanks so much for your comment. It's given me so much food for thought. Just to lay my cards on the table, I'm a Christian and I believe that the Biblical stories reveal the pattern of reality. Therefore, I'm not suggesting that M. Night Shyamalan is intentionally using elements from the Bible (although he could be). I believe that the Bible reveals fundamental truths about the way reality works. And I think the stories we tell as human beings living within that reality cannot help but express some of those truths in various refracted ways. The connections to the Noah story aren't perfect. And if you don't think it fits, my interpretation in this video is not a hill I'd want to die on. I still have so much to learn! But I guess I am seeking to explore film through a more theological lens. Regardless of my viewers' beliefs, I think there's fruitful conversation to be had in looking at the ideas that keep appearing in our stories. For some reason, those ideas are sticky, and that fascinates me. So I guess that's what I'm trying to do on this channel. I'm bringing my Christian understanding of symbolism to bear on pop culture. And I'm not expecting complete agreement by any means. But hopefully it's bringing a different perspective to the table. Anyway, thanks so much for your thoughtful comment, and have a great day!
Hi @ThorogoodFilms - great to read your reply. Look, if you wish to view films from your Christian pov - who am I to judge? Having said that, you have a MAMMOTH Christian film cannon that comes from mainstream Hollywood and independent film - so you should have no trouble there. In fact, IF you go down that road and show your Christian viewpoints - I'd suggest you do some research and find the famous ones and then get into others. Interpreting the film - you used as an analysis I'm just coming from a screen narratology perspective - which incorporates other POVs that aren't to do with Christianity -as such. Coming from a Catholic / Christian background - I can easily shift and understand the various ways in which a Christian may try to instil their concept of interpretation - but I'm also a person who delves into other cultures, viewpoints, philosophies and religions - and thus, try and find easier - more connective ways in which a film can reference other sources. But - I wish you luck, and I'm not one to judge - This was the first film I saw of yours, and I haven't seen others - but I will look. As I said, good on you for giving this a go, because trying to write a viewpoint based on various principles and exemplifying it, is no easy task - doesn't matter if you try to do it from a Christian POV, a Daoist POV, a Socialist POV or even an Feminist POV - it takes a lot of careful thinking, in critical nature, to compose an analysis - I'm not here to argue povs for the sake of stirring up anything, I was genuinely curious by your take. Anyway, good luck!
I think its incredible Hayley Mills took part in this movie here. She was acting for years. She played in Disney Pollyanna (1960), Parent Trap Film Franchise (1961 to 1989) and That Darn Cat (1965). I remember her the most for her role in Pollyanna, because both me and my sister watch it a lot growing up.
It feels like it was just a movie he made to get his daughter a career. It was not good. The Watcher also wasnt that great. The Shyamalans can stop cuz these nepo projects are not it.
@@Notthatcereal I'll never forget I was sign holding for some shitty company going outta business and held there sign in a blizzard, me and my friend, come to find out mu friend dropped her sign and went and saw a movie, that movie was cats she said it was garbage but being in a warm theater compared to a blizzard always made me a lil angry why did I stand outside when I could of gotten paid to watch a movie lol
Good symbolism and premise doesnt make up for bad acting and contrived writing. This review just avoids the criticism to pretend its a better movie than it is
He said it was a tongue in cheek screenplay, something he’s never done before. I think a lot of the audience came in with preconceived expectations and so the story, the tone, the shifts in mood went right over their heads. We saw it twice and have been telling our confused friends to watch it again from a new perspective. We loooove the movie and love how Josh kills that role!
I haven't watched the movie. So I'm taking the spoiler in this video as face value. If the wife planted the ticket in the murder house. It would seem she knows too much information about her husband to be "unsure". I wonder if she is actually more involved in the murders somehow. I mean think about that. She planted evidence at a place at a previous/current crime scene. How did she know it was a crime scene? How did she know the police would be there? Something is fishy about that. Is there any possibility she framed him? Or threw him under the bus for her/thier crimes? Ok probably not. Now I have to watch this movie.
The actress who played his wife also plays wife to Sarah Paulson in AHS season 7 think? It wss called "Cult" where towards the end Sarah n her sits opposite each other n she enjoys a meal Sarah cooked but it wsd poisoned so she dies at the end. That table scene between Cooper n her reminded of the AhS one!
The Noah parallel is a bit of a reach.😆 Nicely done but more imaginative than analytical. (Since M Knight is Indian I don’t think he’d be digging as deep into the Bible as you assume.) I thought you would go deep into Cooper’s character or even the wonderfully absurd concept of the story. So I’m disappointed. Friends and I have seen the movie twice! It is such a delightful parody of the cat and mouse Hitchcockian thriller, we wanted to dig a little deeper ourselves. The preposterous concept is hilarious from the start. Here’s a doting daddy who chops up 12 people in 7 years treating his daughter to a 20,000 seat concert where he will become trapped by a little old lady profiler and a 4,364 member SWAT team. I mean, c’mon! And while the movie is definitely a suspenseful thriller, it has comedic bits that Hartnett plays wonderfully over the top. Psychopathic split personality that Hartnett slides in and out of smooth as silk. We don’t get why so many people dislike the film. For us it’s a 4*/5*
In Shamaylan's Signs there are Catholic religious tones, a few of his other movies too. I don't think being Indian has anything to do with what he believes religious wise. But I do agree that it's a stretch in THIS film. I still think it's fun to explore, I agree with everything else also.
That's a lot to delve into about a movie that was about as entertaining as picking a scab..actually, scab picking is probably more...cathartic? At least you feel something.
@@givemeliberty700 - You seem like the kind of weak insecure and bitter individual who would disrespect someone online, because you know you'd be on a liquid diet of you did it in person.
This video seems made for someone who has already watched the movie- and was really hard to watch as someone who hasn’t seen the movie. Couldn’t finish the TH-cam video
How disappointed can you be that you desperately try to bend it with such arguments so that it looks like the movie you hoped for in the beginning? That's also quite an achievement!
The thing people get wrong is that its her music..its not her music per se, she wrote the music FOR the movie while they were writing the movie together. So not a direct commercial for HER music. I mean if he has an artist in the movie that is doing a concert it would have been a big part of the movie no matter who it was. So if she can sing and write music why not?
@@user-gw1xl8tf6j i am a long-standing member of the m night apologist club. this just happens to be the film that broke my m night spirit. not liking a film does not mean a person doesn't "get" it. the forgettable music aside, i also felt trapped in yet another comic book movie. i was bored in the empty chaos and never cared abt any character. since no stakes were established, i was rooting for the arena to collapse. i also disliked de palma's "snake eyes" which is just "trap" at a boxing match. maybe i just don't like the premise. i assure you, though, people "get" it.
This has to be one of the dumbest movie ever created. People are just revealing the plot throughout the entire movie and don’t even care. What an idiotic movie. And the dude is a ghost and can move from places and reappear anywhere. My god, I hate this movie so much.
@@zenoxgaming3316 Interesting, I think I get it now. He's the main character, and the movie is about his story, but the plot involves a protagonist-antagonist pair. Without a clear protagonist, it's confusing where he stands. The policewoman, despite being on the right side, is more of a supporting character due to her limited screen time and backstory. She, or anyone else like Lady Raven or Rachel, is there just to create the illusion of a protagonist, as none of them weigh as heavily in the plot as the main character, Cooper.
@@Zeeexty exactly cooper was always the protagonist and the antagonist of this movie see how he laughs at the end when he frees himself of the chains nobody can actually fully outsmart the guy.
The carbon monoxide is symbolic of his hiding his killer side? That is literally the stupidest thing I've heard about this movie. Jesus when will you people stop with your over analysis of simple movies
It’s complex if you pay some attention. It’s not a M Knight Big Twist movie as he TOLD us in his promos. He plays around with a lot of thriller tropes and the preposterous concept is a hoot! The improbabilities are hilarious. How absurd is it to root for the serial killer? 😂 We loved it. Saw it twice.
@@mgariepy42 The guy analyzing the movie is like Cooper said the word hi. Hi is short for hello. Hello has the word Hell in it. Meaning Cooper is in Hell. The analysis is so dumb. Lol, just eat some popcorn and enjoy the movie. A person with the IQ of a potato could see all the nonsense in this film! My point is this is just a fun/escapism film! Doesn't require much brain. People trying to psychoanalyze it are dumb!
If you pay attention and have a creative mind it is. Not one of Shyamalans best movies but the theme of a serial killer dad and the contrast that shows him being a family man while at the same time being a monster is very interesting.
@@JosephSchwarzkopf-m9k Then you might want to watch the next fast and the furious, sure its not one of Shyamalans best, but there is a lot of interesting aspects to it that if you at all pay attention you will notice.
If you stoop as low as to insult something by calling it “gay” I highly doubt you have the mindset to critically analyse it in the first place. Referring to something bad or unenjoyable as being “gay” is a high school level insult at best. It just reflects poorly on you by making you come across as juvenile.
The ending wa sso annoying when cooper and his were talking, honestly, in every movie shes in, she always does some like this. I wished it had a better ending and her dying because it was a movie that felt like it was 30 minutes,
If the wife help the police set the trap, she couldn’t have gave the police of a picture of him
Remember she wasn’t alway sure he was the butcher she thought he was havin a affair
She said she went to a pay phone so I think that means she called anonymously?
I think the wife, Rachel, truly could have snitched. I don't think she wanted to. Did she have more of the ticket exposing the seat number? Probably. She could have brought the authorities directly to Cooper.
But I think Rachel loves her husband, kids, and family like. I know she wanted The Butcher caught, but totally ratting him out would remove her from her identity as a mother, wife, and school music theater teacher. Her career and everything she built would essentially be over.
Yet, Rachel isnt completely selfish.
She wanted the authorities to do the heavy lifting. Better they do their job of finding The Butcher to save face in front of her family and friends.
didn’t she say that she hoped they would prove her wrong or something
@@shawtyberry Yeah, I think she is what she wanted. If he was cleared, no harm, no foul, they could move on. If he was guilty, he would have been caught and the police would have protected Riley.
It's videos like this that made me subscribe to your channel. I love an "unconventional" deep dive into a movie, where a person can suss out what a director is actually telling his audience, so this was great. And now that you've pointed it out I can see the recurring themes of family dynamics across all Night's films.
I love movies, and will watch almost anything, so I don't have much use for surface analysis like "this movie sucks" or "I give this an 8/10" critiques. What satisfies me is when someone can see ideas and themes in a movie I may have missed, or viewed it through a different lens than I would use. I'm not a religious person, so this viewpoint wouldn't have occurred to me, at all, (but I like to hear such views from someone who's agenda isn't trying to proselytize to me.)
It seems that a lot of people are set to hate this movie, and his daughter's movie, because...reasons, but I don't care about any of that. I care if I liked the movie, if I got anything out of it for myself, and I don't use other people's dislike to determine if I'm going to watch something. This movie is just as worthy of analysis as The Watchers, which I also saw, and more or less enjoyed. It wasn't a great movie but his daughter shows promise.
You have nailed it in your comment! I agree 100%
Ah thank you so much! I did a video on The Watchers as well, there was plenty to think about in that one :)
There is a certain dream-like logic to the movie. Like if you were trapped in a dream, and despite everything you do, the dream conspires situations to keep you confined.
The casual viewer doesn’t understand these concepts man, you changed my opinion on the movie. Keeep up these videos
❤I really dig this movie! I hope there's more. He's the best dad ever 😅
I saw it with my dad, my idea. Thoroughly enjoyed the experience! ❤
How if he is literally killing people???
@@andyorbit604 its PG 13! A serial killer the audience roots for! Don’t take this fun film seriously!
How tf does she even unlock his phone?!?! 🙄🙄🙄🙄 RIDICULOUS
About as likely as him eating the poison pie
This is a great break down, Trap is 10/10. Also to anyone saying this is a reach I think people really don’t give M Night his credit. You don’t have to like his movies but he’s clearly intentional, smart, and creative
Well said!
He used to be, not anymore.
@@emimon2351 he still is, I think people hold on so tight to 6th sense, unbreakable, and signs but he has many more great and even better movies
Lol delulu take
@@truanalain4266 I just don’t think you enjoy movies
Its had mixed reviews but I enjoyed it, different take on a serial killer movie, quite original
It’s really nice movie to watch
👏
This movie reminded me of a black mirror episode
that stupid part when cooper's phone stolen by the singer
Real
My daughters music career didn’t work lemme make her known 😂
The movie itself is a trap. Shayamalan holds the audience captive while he showcases his daughter’s music. A big reason I decided not to go see this.
It was a disappointment! I'm not going to go into detail, but I'd give it a 3 out of 10!
If you decided not to go see it, how do you know its only merit is showcasing his daughter’s music? Duh.
@@puma59graciefighter3/10 but no details why? Hmmm.
@@mgariepy42 Did I say that was the shows only merit? Every review I read or watched stated the movie featured several songs in their entirety written and performed by the daughter. I've heard clips of a couple and I really, really don't like that type of music. Any positives in the movie do not outweigh me wanting to claw my eyes out.
@@mgariepy42because it's a fake) Even some hate reviewers during movie fact check was caught and they not saw film at all)
Love or hate M, but ya can’t denied that this man is ORIGINAL.
I saw Trap twice on opening day. Your breakdown is masterful. Similar thoughts roll around in my head.
One thing I came up with is how everyone in his orbit is "trapped" by him, but he feels there is no "trap" that can catch him.
That plastic mask he wears when Jami confirms what the police presence is all about is a placeholder while he perfroms the most difficult mental gymnastics to find a way out. The profiler knows a thing or two about people with his psychopathy.
Lady Raven is the heroine, with a weakeness...her presumed athsma diagnosis.
Because Cooper is so used to evading police to prey on the unsuspecring without being caught, that when he saw Lady Raven puff on her inhaler he might have assumed she was weak because of his fireman background and his snarky comment about carbon monoxide.
Very kind. Thanks for sharing your insights! Those are really interesting.
Finally a good breakdown of this movie
I was saying to my Mrs after watching the film, why is the signing parts so unnecessarily long . Googled the actress and find out with is a song writer and artist. Makes so much sense now as to why half the film was focused on her singing. The cynic in me believes this film was created to promote his daughter's career nothing more .
and why was the concert during the day ?
Oh my god, I had to skip the singing parts.
absolutely loved this movie
Just watched this last night with my cousin and we both enjoyed it from the start till the end.
A funny comment(does not reflect my own personal view😆) from another review video:
He just makes movies for paying his bills and his wife’s
expenses, period. His movies have been crap for years now. I don’t why they keep giving him money to make crap. Dude needs a break to India and come back with a clean head.
The part about them giving him money is way off, because he’s been self financing a lot of his recent movies and he’s one of the few headliner directors who’s actually making original movies.
Maybe he should also try his hand at writing and directing some Bollywood movies, as well?🤔😆
Thanks for sending this fascinating insight into Trap. I liked your analysis of theme and character. While I may find it a bit disagreeable with the Noah parallel you instilled, no doubt you thought about it and kudos to you for giving it a shot because exercising comparative studies from different sources takes effort.
Having said that, I agree on some level that Shyamalan incorporated deeper meaning in the issues laid out, and he says that in a number of his interviews. Diving deeper into narrative logic(s) - I can acknowledge some possible deep-rooted fable, myth or legend associations, but I don't think they are necessarily related to Judaic/Christian parallels. When you informed that the Noah story was flipped, alarm bells rang - It might be true that Shyamalan did that, but that would suggest the story was more of a moral story - when it's not. Shyamalan is noted for saying he wants the audience to think, not be served the message.
Secondly, from a writer's perspective, if a flip of a well-known Bible story was placed, the question is why? Shyamalan was not raised Christian, even though he did go to a Catholic school during his upbringing. But even though he did, the concept of inserting Christian values or morals in films usually, not always, stems from a Protestant Christian viewpoint - where the tale appears obvious and purposefully so. Various Catholic versions of inserting values or morals in film often lay out in the mystical or in simple terms, confusing, verging on the metaphorical. You see Mel Gibson's The Passion, which shows very symbolic references to Catholic teachings, which, to the outsider are plain unusual and unfamiliar.
Shyamalan was raised Hindu, and that doesn't mean he inserts Hindi values in films, but the concept of character representing an ideology or a theme and using the character's pathway / arc as a means for the ideology act in a personified manner where it realises change occurs and needs to utilise its skills and own understanding to move out of challenging situations - was nicely informed in your analysis in the beginning.
As you stated the theme of Trap - doubles, multiplies in its reference, expanding in different levels, and situations - from the public to the domestic, and into the streets of the unknown - and when characters are placed in unfamiliar circumstances, which they do from Cooper to Lady Raven, their qualities display in a way the audience doesn't know.
This concept of a figure struggling out of an unwanted situation is mirrored in many examples of literature. And, if you are using legendary texts / myth or fable - then a lot of Norse and Eastern myths have stories similar to trap. The main concept being - a figure comes to a party to which they soon learn were uninvited or treated badly. As a result, they wreak havoc by showing their presence in an unsettling way, trying to prove that the should not have made the figure unhappy. Think of Loki, and in Eastern mythology, other tales of gods upsetting a situation. In these cases, the other gods also have planned ahead, and try to protect themselves by confusing and ultimately trapping the unwanted presence. However, the figure manages to escape - which leads to a - what is going to happen now? - situation.
The issue with the Noah analogy is that the foundation of the Noah premise relies on an entity / super natural power / aka god or God, making the protagonist know of their mission and purpose. Secondly, the birds came from within the familiar base of the protagonist. Lady Raven is a stranger. If anything you would use Cooper's wife as a metaphor - but this doesn't gel, because the Noah story doesn't use the theme of trapping. And if you are flipping the Noah story, then you would lay a foundation that says the unforeseen high source of power is a mocking force of negative outcomes planning to doom the protagonist. So, this, and other issues you raised up, just didn't agree with Trap being a Noah analogy.
I think there are other myths or stories which probably suit closer to Trap, but overall, well done for giving the comparative angle a go. It was fascinating!
A successful-Capitalist, for sure. Him now being able to create opportunities for his children to also be successful? That only underscores the fact that he has succeeded in the American Capitalist system.👍😎
It’s so refreshing to read comments here like yours! Thanks for a good read!
@@mgariepy42 cheers, thanks!
Hi! Thanks so much for your comment. It's given me so much food for thought. Just to lay my cards on the table, I'm a Christian and I believe that the Biblical stories reveal the pattern of reality. Therefore, I'm not suggesting that M. Night Shyamalan is intentionally using elements from the Bible (although he could be). I believe that the Bible reveals fundamental truths about the way reality works. And I think the stories we tell as human beings living within that reality cannot help but express some of those truths in various refracted ways.
The connections to the Noah story aren't perfect. And if you don't think it fits, my interpretation in this video is not a hill I'd want to die on. I still have so much to learn! But I guess I am seeking to explore film through a more theological lens. Regardless of my viewers' beliefs, I think there's fruitful conversation to be had in looking at the ideas that keep appearing in our stories. For some reason, those ideas are sticky, and that fascinates me.
So I guess that's what I'm trying to do on this channel. I'm bringing my Christian understanding of symbolism to bear on pop culture. And I'm not expecting complete agreement by any means. But hopefully it's bringing a different perspective to the table.
Anyway, thanks so much for your thoughtful comment, and have a great day!
Hi @ThorogoodFilms - great to read your reply. Look, if you wish to view films from your Christian pov - who am I to judge? Having said that, you have a MAMMOTH Christian film cannon that comes from mainstream Hollywood and independent film - so you should have no trouble there. In fact, IF you go down that road and show your Christian viewpoints - I'd suggest you do some research and find the famous ones and then get into others.
Interpreting the film - you used as an analysis I'm just coming from a screen narratology perspective - which incorporates other POVs that aren't to do with Christianity -as such.
Coming from a Catholic / Christian background - I can easily shift and understand the various ways in which a Christian may try to instil their concept of interpretation - but I'm also a person who delves into other cultures, viewpoints, philosophies and religions - and thus, try and find easier - more connective ways in which a film can reference other sources.
But - I wish you luck, and I'm not one to judge - This was the first film I saw of yours, and I haven't seen others - but I will look.
As I said, good on you for giving this a go, because trying to write a viewpoint based on various principles and exemplifying it, is no easy task - doesn't matter if you try to do it from a Christian POV, a Daoist POV, a Socialist POV or even an Feminist POV - it takes a lot of careful thinking, in critical nature, to compose an analysis -
I'm not here to argue povs for the sake of stirring up anything, I was genuinely curious by your take.
Anyway, good luck!
Trap I love it!!!
Chris Nolan should include his sisters in his movies, The Nolan Sisters.
I think its incredible Hayley Mills took part in this movie here. She was acting for years. She played in Disney Pollyanna (1960), Parent Trap Film Franchise (1961 to 1989) and That Darn Cat (1965). I remember her the most for her role in Pollyanna, because both me and my sister watch it a lot growing up.
It feels like it was just a movie he made to get his daughter a career. It was not good. The Watcher also wasnt that great. The Shyamalans can stop cuz these nepo projects are not it.
I loved the watchers
@@givemeliberty700 I'm sure there's a lot of people who really enjoyed it. It wasnt the worst movie ever. Even the Cats remake might have 1 fan
@@Notthatcereal I'll never forget I was sign holding for some shitty company going outta business and held there sign in a blizzard, me and my friend, come to find out mu friend dropped her sign and went and saw a movie, that movie was cats she said it was garbage but being in a warm theater compared to a blizzard always made me a lil angry why did I stand outside when I could of gotten paid to watch a movie lol
Good symbolism and premise doesnt make up for bad acting and contrived writing. This review just avoids the criticism to pretend its a better movie than it is
I really enjoyed this movie. It wasn't the best ever but I thought it was a lot of fun
First half was great. Second half was absolutely terrible
totally agree with this
This movie's plot was awful, but Josh was so entertaining I loved it!😂😂😂 Was this a thriller or a comedy!? M Night was trolling us for sure!😂
He said it was a tongue in cheek screenplay, something he’s never done before. I think a lot of the audience came in with preconceived expectations and so the story, the tone, the shifts in mood went right over their heads. We saw it twice and have been telling our confused friends to watch it again from a new perspective. We loooove the movie and love how Josh kills that role!
I like this Noah inversion theory
I haven't watched the movie. So I'm taking the spoiler in this video as face value. If the wife planted the ticket in the murder house. It would seem she knows too much information about her husband to be "unsure". I wonder if she is actually more involved in the murders somehow. I mean think about that. She planted evidence at a place at a previous/current crime scene. How did she know it was a crime scene? How did she know the police would be there? Something is fishy about that. Is there any possibility she framed him? Or threw him under the bus for her/thier crimes? Ok probably not. Now I have to watch this movie.
The actress who played his wife also plays wife to Sarah Paulson in AHS season 7 think? It wss called "Cult" where towards the end Sarah n her sits opposite each other n she enjoys a meal Sarah cooked but it wsd poisoned so she dies at the end. That table scene between Cooper n her reminded of the AhS one!
You really were reaching hard af with the Noah ark comparison 😂
The Noah parallel is a bit of a reach.😆 Nicely done but more imaginative than analytical. (Since M Knight is Indian I don’t think he’d be digging as deep into the Bible as you assume.) I thought you would go deep into Cooper’s character or even the wonderfully absurd concept of the story. So I’m disappointed. Friends and I have seen the movie twice! It is such a delightful parody of the cat and mouse Hitchcockian thriller, we wanted to dig a little deeper ourselves. The preposterous concept is hilarious from the start. Here’s a doting daddy who chops up 12 people in 7 years treating his daughter to a 20,000 seat concert where he will become trapped by a little old lady profiler and a 4,364 member SWAT team. I mean, c’mon! And while the movie is definitely a suspenseful thriller, it has comedic bits that Hartnett plays wonderfully over the top. Psychopathic split personality that Hartnett slides in and out of smooth as silk. We don’t get why so many people dislike the film. For us it’s a 4*/5*
Winner, winner, 🐓 dinner. You get it!😆 Maybe he should also try his hand at writing and directing some Bollywood movies, as well?🤔😆
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Ah thanks for your comment! Sorry this video was a disappointment to you. There's definitely more to say :)
In Shamaylan's Signs there are Catholic religious tones, a few of his other movies too. I don't think being Indian has anything to do with what he believes religious wise. But I do agree that it's a stretch in THIS film. I still think it's fun to explore, I agree with everything else also.
@@ThorogoodFilms It was t a disappointment at all. i enjoyed reading your take!
The killer is like carbon monoxide 😂
That's a lot to delve into about a movie that was about as entertaining as picking a scab..actually, scab picking is probably more...cathartic? At least you feel something.
You seem like a suedo-intellectual. Goofy for sure ... smh
@@givemeliberty700 - You seem like the kind of weak insecure and bitter individual who would disrespect someone online, because you know you'd be on a liquid diet of you did it in person.
bro what were you tripping on when you came up with the inversion of the noah's arc story??? wtf
This film isnt deep and its not even smart writen as if AI wrote it . Lady raven part is just cringe to the core
Never seen a movie about a killer where no body died 😂
This video seems made for someone who has already watched the movie- and was really hard to watch as someone who hasn’t seen the movie. Couldn’t finish the TH-cam video
How disappointed can you be that you desperately try to bend it with such arguments so that it looks like the movie you hoped for in the beginning? That's also quite an achievement!
the movie was a trap to watch over an hour of a music video for m night's daughter.
The thing people get wrong is that its her music..its not her music per se, she wrote the music FOR the movie while they were writing the movie together. So not a direct commercial for HER music. I mean if he has an artist in the movie that is doing a concert it would have been a big part of the movie no matter who it was. So if she can sing and write music why not?
@@user-gw1xl8tf6j i am a long-standing member of the m night apologist club. this just happens to be the film that broke my m night spirit. not liking a film does not mean a person doesn't "get" it. the forgettable music aside, i also felt trapped in yet another comic book movie. i was bored in the empty chaos and never cared abt any character. since no stakes were established, i was rooting for the arena to collapse. i also disliked de palma's "snake eyes" which is just "trap" at a boxing match. maybe i just don't like the premise. i assure you, though, people "get" it.
Definitely a shayamalan movie, and it’s a really good movie if you remember that going into it
I wanna know if he has power the the guy from The movie split.really seems like he is super Strong.
Who here in 2058? Did climate collapse get the rich too, or did they fashion themselves a life raft from the corpses of the poor?
This whole video is just you reaching for crap 😂😂 I stoped watching
This movie sucked
a movie a guy could just erase his cell phone take concert pics to fill it and look inocent but does not as a wayt o get out
Cooper has red on so he represented Evil and Lady Raven who i waring white she represented good
This has to be one of the dumbest movie ever created. People are just revealing the plot throughout the entire movie and don’t even care. What an idiotic movie. And the dude is a ghost and can move from places and reappear anywhere. My god, I hate this movie so much.
Deep in depth video as always
This movie was horrible! 2/10
This was honestly one of the worst movies I’ve ever seen so I came here to feel less angry and see if there’s some actual meaning to this crap
@@elexisdiaz2754 see it again with a new perspective. It’s a parody of the genre.
The meaning is his psychopathy and how he is drunk in his own power , since he keeps outsmarting and escaping different situations and scenarios.
@@zenoxgaming3316 Interesting, I think I get it now. He's the main character, and the movie is about his story, but the plot involves a protagonist-antagonist pair. Without a clear protagonist, it's confusing where he stands. The policewoman, despite being on the right side, is more of a supporting character due to her limited screen time and backstory. She, or anyone else like Lady Raven or Rachel, is there just to create the illusion of a protagonist, as none of them weigh as heavily in the plot as the main character, Cooper.
@@Zeeexty exactly cooper was always the protagonist and the antagonist of this movie see how he laughs at the end when he frees himself of the chains nobody can actually fully outsmart the guy.
@@Zeeexty cooper is his own enemy as shown when the old fbi woman acted as his mother and ended up temporarily disabling him.
The carbon monoxide is symbolic of his hiding his killer side? That is literally the stupidest thing I've heard about this movie. Jesus when will you people stop with your over analysis of simple movies
This movie is so stupid
@@17samalex it helps to follow with a perspective that asks the audience to pay attention
Noah? Seriously? What a drift.
The movie is fuckin awful
8.3/10
The film isnt that deep! Put down whatever you are smoking man!
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It’s complex if you pay some attention. It’s not a M Knight Big Twist movie as he TOLD us in his promos. He plays around with a lot of thriller tropes and the preposterous concept is a hoot! The improbabilities are hilarious. How absurd is it to root for the serial killer? 😂 We loved it. Saw it twice.
@@mgariepy42Saw it twice and planning to go third time because Hartnett was brilliant and movie looks beautifully shot.q
@@mgariepy42 The guy analyzing the movie is like Cooper said the word hi. Hi is short for hello. Hello has the word Hell in it. Meaning Cooper is in Hell. The analysis is so dumb. Lol, just eat some popcorn and enjoy the movie. A person with the IQ of a potato could see all the nonsense in this film! My point is this is just a fun/escapism film! Doesn't require much brain. People trying to psychoanalyze it are dumb!
If you pay attention and have a creative mind it is. Not one of Shyamalans best movies but the theme of a serial killer dad and the contrast that shows him being a family man while at the same time being a monster is very interesting.
This Movie is Gay.... Nothing Deep about it to break down....Just Gay.
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@@JosephSchwarzkopf-m9k Then you might want to watch the next fast and the furious, sure its not one of Shyamalans best, but there is a lot of interesting aspects to it that if you at all pay attention you will notice.
If you stoop as low as to insult something by calling it “gay” I highly doubt you have the mindset to critically analyse it in the first place.
Referring to something bad or unenjoyable as being “gay” is a high school level insult at best. It just reflects poorly on you by making you come across as juvenile.
Go back to 2006 with that 😂😂😂
The ending wa sso annoying when cooper and his were talking, honestly, in every movie shes in, she always does some like this. I wished it had a better ending and her dying because it was a movie that felt like it was 30 minutes,