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- DerBauer sent me a care package that includes something very special! This will help with our future GPU testing a TON!
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That flowchart for the menu/display is actually awesome. Would love if more companies did that.
Yeah not sure how it’s “over engineering”.
For an "one button" UI with that many options - that is exactly the right amount of "engineering"
Must be a new employee named Will, thank you Will!
nice to see Will along with Phil, Nick and Jay doing cool vids.
wow, DeB doing his thing... such awesomeness always comes from him and the team. Thanks for this, and hey Jay and team Awesome work as well :)
Weird times where you can build a computer with an ASUS motherboard, NVIDIA GPU and Gigabyte PSU and won't know which component will explode first.
I just solved that problem for myself. I purchased a CORSAIR pre-built today. Sometimes peace of mind is worth the price.
@@outlet6989 I can't tell if advertisement bots are getting more complex or if posts like this are just written by real people who have no idea how they sound.
@@outlet6989 Which contains all or some of the brands mentioned above..
@@mattjones4285 ... which is no problem because he does not have to worry about it in a prebuilt system. when something fails someone else is going to trouble shoot it.
@@hassosigbjoernson5738 The.. fire investigator?
For power-costs... there are already plugins that you can add to your power plugs, that you can read with a phone-app, via the WIFI.
This feels super-focused on hardcore overclockers.
That is a slick idea! DerBauer is a very creative person from the products he puts out. I wonder if he considered a 90° interface as well? Perhaps that would have created issues with the durability or interfered with the display and/or control button? I have been loving the content you provide for a while now, and appreciate your transparency regarding everything. I hope you are recovering well, and look forward to more offering. Although, you now have me questioning my choice of video card (Asus Tuf RTX 3060 12GB) for gaming. It was the best I could afford, and has not let me down in the 8 months I have had it.
I also waiting for 90 degree instead 180.
LMAO
DerBauer is not the producer of Thermal Grizzly compenents.
Bought one. It just arrived from the Netherlands. I’m installing it tonight. Hope this keeps things safe!
Will could help solve 😂
A nice little feature that could be added to that tool, an amp trip function so that if something does go wrong it disconnects the card.
or just cuts power to the PSU, shutting down the whole system
Sorry, backwards idea, b/c you'd smoke the 12v power rail for PCI-E slots. Leave the power, and only unhook ground sensor loopback pin. Your video card SHOULD detect fault and turn off by self. You will need to hard power off/on computer to regain video. Also, if you do notice plugs getting hot, do not unplug them from your card. Quickly kill main power to your computer..
@@aleksandrbmelnikov Should. That's the problem. The should shut off, but they're not. Cables are smoking or outright on fire before it gets noticed and the computer shut down. Should is why the ASUS boards are blowing up CPUs. A good engineer NEVER relies on should.
I wonder if the 4 sense pins are constantly monitored. Maybe flip them to trigger a lower power mode between the PSU and GPU. Doing a hard cutoff on the main line has its own challenges in such a small form factor as there's multiple conducting paths.
@@scphan01 Only one way to know how card mfg worked protection. Do a pin mod to put each plug sense on a switch. If your screen goes black (no signal), then yes it is. As for pulling PC main power, any bad shutdown is better than a good meltdown.
Soo I got mine just as all my other parts finally came for my new build and I have to endorse this product wholeheartedly 100%. It's a total game changer, especially if your case is humongous like the Phanteks NV7 I use.. I know it's more for OC enthusiasts, but the adapter making my cabling easier is already enough to warrant a purchase for me.
I have an NV7 and I understand why you say it's important can you please give us an update after 8 months if it's still going well or if you have any melting issues thank you
I love how in depth the instructions are.
Glad to see you back, Jay! Hope everything went well with your surgery.
I've had my 4090 since February. Leave mine on for weeks at the time. MSI 4090 EK Waterblock with active back plate. Used the power cable that came with the 4090 and haven't had any issues.
This is really neat, I would like to see a user defined max temp thermal detection setting with audible alarm - early warning that there is a overheat issue approaching.
Always cool when Roman, Steve and yourself cooperate with each other, looks like a neat tool.
That is so cool Jay! My father was born in Germany! His parents escaped to the US in the 30s with my father when he was about five. His mother helped raise me too.
We also had the same first computer, the Commodore 64!
Bless Will and all he does for us.
Bless you, Will
I've been anxiously awaiting the release of these. I want one so much.
That's pretty impressive to repeatedly come up with these helpful devices!
6:00 I feel like that kind of rocking back/forth is part of the reason of the failings, due to it spreading apart the pins inside, so hopefully Roman did the smart and used extremely solid and durable closed-loop connectors instead of the paper-thin crimped terminals that deform and split apart
that being said, a nice thing that may/could have been added is a thermistor connected to a little beeper to warn you if it detects high temperatures on the connector itself. maybe for a rev2?
Confused about what the title means but I love the videos Jay😂! The honesty and integrity is refreshing and the pace and style of your videos is very easy for my regrettably low attention span😂❤
Glad Jayz showing Derbauer's stuff. Dude's legendary.
Great device to add to a build. Love to see this without having to pull up software.
Will is an amazing person.
I don't get the joke :p
@@Ohnothisisbad The original title of the video had "Will" instead of "This".
@@FastSloth87 I'm guessing they changed the title last minute from "will this solve the problem" to "this could help solve the problem" and had a little brainfart while editing so it ended up as "will could help solve the problem". sounds like a fckup I'd do tbh 😅
Will: the electrical pioneer we needed.
This device is freaking awesome. Love it!! I have missed having stuff like this available. You use to h ave to spend $100;s on this stuff and mouint them with othersensors in the 5.25 bays. Super awesome tool here for audits
Thanks for the info with the waterblock, that saved me money.
Nice tool. I think they need to go back to the drawing board on power delivery. Better to go through multiple cable and connections then one high wattage connection. Also changing from plastic to some kind of ceramic connector would help.
Thanks, Will!
I've got a RTX 4090 Asus Rog OC card. Have had the pc running for about 5-6 days now due to running some game dedicated servers. I've not seen any melting issues so far on the 12pin. Using the stock 4x 8 pin to 12 pin that Asus sends with their GPU's.
Nice video. Thanks for always doing a great job.
You know, Will sounds like a nice guy
It would be great if you could export the Kw/h data in CSV into a spreadsheet, that would give you a great tool to calculate. Especially here where energy prices swings out of hand, even still today.
Lovely device and multiple different options to buy.
If you really want to know how much power is being used, get a Kill-a-Watt and plug it in your outlet. It'll read the power draw directly before any losses. This is a nice device to specifically target a single device, but I'm sure there may be software that could do the same thing considering that the only time the card uses power is when its on.
This device to be perfect should have also a temperature sensor , that can alert owner of an abnormal temperature on the pads
We all love Will for what he's doing ❤
Shut up
This is great and as someone that is in constant fear of tripping my breaker I'll definitely be utilizing one of these.
DerBauer smashing it again with great tools for pc.
Pretty cool but it would be nice if they did a 90 degree version too, as cable managing 3 PCIE 8 pin cables across the top of your GPU can be a bit challenging to make it look nice.
they're proabably thought for VERTICAL gpus, as all these connectors are 180°
Running the cords under the card gets in the way of air flow :O
@@chrispridemore5562 they're 180°, and intented to route cables to the BACKPLATE side
@@geort45 Ya, I just installed one on my 4090 just now! :D
@@chrispridemore5562 I have one too, but they should put a warning or spec about the max thickness of the backplate, I had to remove mine because the 8pin connectors didn't fit.
Would have been interesting to see you test with the fans turned off then full speed to see what the wattage changes to. That would have given you an idea as to what they're using.
WOW, that's freak'n awesome... Everybody needs one of those...
Kinda wish I knew about this before I bought the 180 cable mod adapter, looks really cool!
Will could help solve
Just wondering, is there a chance you will do a kind of comparison or review on the new thermal grizzly cpu cooling pads? I've seen some adds about them here and there and the idea looks good, but as someone who uses their pc for production I always kind of look around to see if anyone has any benchmarks on using them for such purposes. Especially with AIO's.
Would be sweet to see your opinion on it, have a good one!
Just picked up a MSI 4070Ti gaming x trio. This product interests me. Love your content Jay.
Definitely want to pick one up just to see, just a 3080ti here. Awesome video, thanks for sharing!
It would be really cool to compare the PCIE 8 pin to 12vhp adapter one to the 12vhp one you used in the video to see if it holds higher voltage from all the extra conductors.
Extra conductors don't increase voltage.
They increase amperage.
@hubertnnn Up until the current capacity of the wire is being exceeded, then you can also see voltage drop due to the wire heating up and becoming more resistive.
@@hubertnnn Well yes, but more heat means more resistance. And more resistance means more amps so the voltage drops
Switching power supplies detects voltage output and adjusts it real time. I don't think load will reduce voltage as long as the power supply is working normally
@@DenzCasuela it can only detect what's going on at the source. It won't detect if a single cable has resistive losses on the other end.
Waiting for Will
jay and team firstly greetings from Australia.
that is such a great idea someone put a lot of thought into this product, and i liked the 90 degree adapter too you featured a while ago, perhaps they could also incorparate a swith like fuse so that it would trigger an alarm or warning if the card was overheating at the connector so as to save melting the connector or causing a fire hazard. perhaps you could suggest this to them as an idea,
just a thought.
I wouldn't mind one of these even for my Red Devil 5700XT just to monitor it. Roman is a genius.
Hi Jay, I work in automotive and deal with the clips on a regular basis. Little tip incase you didnt know or if it can help others.
if you have trouble disconnecting these plugs/getting the locking tab to unlock. Gentle pressure pushing the cable into the plug while unlocking tab should help the tab unlock easier.
God Bless Will!
I saw this tool in one of Romans videos and was instantly on the line!
It looks great and it provides cool and useful info!
I just ordered one of these for my personal system, and now that I'm looking... this may not clear with a vertical mount GPU in the 011D, the RAM might be in the way. That will be a real bummer since I'm using some 180 degree adapters off Amazon right now, and I'd MUCH rather use this. The dual 8-pin adapters from Amazon have a very slight cant on them where this should be a lot more ridged laterally, and I would love to have the power read outs as well. Always nice to be able to monitor the current levels, even if it's not 12VHPWR. They're not the only ones that can melt.
I love that Roman comes up with such practical solutions.
I don't think you're ever going to run into the melting cables on yours. Personally, I'm still 50/50 on whether it's a QA error, meaning they missed a bad connector or something on the affected units, or user error. Or a mix of the two: some being QA issues, some being just user error. Who knows.
I don't think there will ever be a satisfactory conclusion because either 1) Nvidia screwed up and refuses to admit it or really doesn't realize they did, and given the relatively miniscule failure rate it's most likely no one will ever be able to prove it or 2) It really is user error, and we'll never admit it could be that, because it needs to be corporate greed behind such things. It's human nature to assume the worst, and so we will assume the worst, even if given every indication it could be anything else if there is even one person saying "But..." we'll given that one person the benefit of the doubt. Northridge is that person.
It's also Nvidia. If they told us the world was round, well the flat earthers would have the majority of the TH-cam PC community signing up, because that's just the way it works these days.
I think it's because they are cramming 600 watts through a connector not made for it. The technical specs from PCI-SIG, when calculated by the values present, rate it for 350-400W max safe transfer.
The fact PCI-SIG is redesigning it seems pretty clear to me it was a flawed design and Nvidia never should have used it.
as an engineer I refused to purchase a 4000 series. It was an obvious issue that evga even saw in the 3090ti and used 2 of them. Ans their unreleased 4090 had 2 cause 6 pins can't replace 12 pins. Its a mass problem not just a connection issue. If it was a connection issue then the plugs would just arch and never melt. In construction this is normal problem, why you use wire nuts and seal with electrical tape to control the connection and contain any sparks.
Will could help solve NVIDIA's melting plug issue,,, by slapping some sense into it😂
Leave pc gaming it's the end only cloud gaming is our future not pc or gpus . Consumer market will end. No laptops no hardware No consoles only cloud pc , cloud gaming and phone's are our future.....
That's a pretty neat little in-line tool isn't it!? Like it 😊
Thanks all. A useful tool!
thanks will :)
Maybe if 4090s drew their first 75w from the motherboard it would reduce the cable melting by bringing down consumption at the cable
I love how this is proving that the software is an accurate representation of the hardware state, proving these external third party tools aren’t doing anything differently.
Good video. I would love for them to make this kind of device for the PCIe slot.
There are cables from MSI now that are different color on plug then outside of plug so you can actually see if it comes lose which might actually help for real, northridgefix talked about it anyway he also noted the real issue is it clips on down the middle not from left to right on both sides which potentially fixes the wiggle issue, cos the slighest vibration can cause it to wiggle and blackscreen something Bulzoid mentioned having once.
I saw that and facepalmed about how obvious how great this solution is. Low tech solutions FTW.
@@Soul-Burn Actually there may be better solution in future if high amp cause cable melt perhaps we need device that shuts off the 12 pin if high amp is going thru card to prevent damage
the problem always was a design error from nvidia which just like youtubers and reviewers mistook a test bench for a PC, there is no user error in plugging the cable, the rtx are wider than previous cards AND the 12vhpwr requires even more width than bendable pcie8 which make that combination incompatible with 99% of pc cases on the market, when you close the panel your force/pressure the connector which can easily skew it outside of it's connector, an angle adapter if not too thick will for sure fix the error of nvidia
I don't remember what video i saw this in but one company had Colored 12vhpw pins so you could see if it was plugged in all th way. if you saw color then it's not in all the way. Great way to solve the issue.
It would be cool to add a little beeper that goes off if the amps start spiking
Will is a real one
Probably my biggest issue with modern motherboards is how PCIE slot Release mechanisms work.
It's borderline impossible to release modern GPU from some boards with those small and fragile little levers almost completely underneath the GPU.
They come with a button for release these days.
Yeah my asus z790 proart comes with the quick release button for the top pcie slot.
You could shield the relevant board pins to see if they have an effect on the fan supply.
8:16 The amp reading won't get higher or go through the roof during a connector failure unless it is measuring the current through each pin individually and it shows you current values for each pin. If the current starts to become imbalanced and uneven between each pin then something is seriously wrong and just measuring total current is pointless if you are testing the 12VHPWR connector itself.
I really like this idea - but I don't think it would help prevent melting issues unless there's something I'm missing. If the meter could show power draw PER PIN, then we might be on to something.
It will remove stress from the cable, since instead of having it kinked and pushed by the case wall it will just be loose inside with plenty of space to change direction.
I wish it would have the power input at 90* angle so the cable goes parallel to the GPU but this is still good enough.
@@hubertnnn its a power draw through too small a socket issue and not a cable issue, cablemod adaptors are still melting into the card socket showing as such and with the ones l have seen that melted its appears to melt on the gpu side of the adaptor and not the cable side.
had the same issue with tamiya battery plugs if you upgraded the motor or battery without changing the connectors, it was easy to spot due to the connectors being an almost see through white so you can see the plastic change color as it starts to burn from overload.
nvidia 40 series plug and socket is black so wont see an issue till its too late.
ps. l have never heard of this issue before they changed the plug/socket size.
much more power hungry gpu's drawing power through a single smaller connector and the public is told its user error 🤣
@@bjorn1583 Its actually a bit of both.
Too small connector is the main issue, but the fact that the wire is stressed or not pushed all the way in (the so called "user error") is making the issue worse by reducing the already too small contact area.
@@hubertnnn the wire not being plugged in all the way causing extra heat actually is only a symptom of the overloaded connector.
use an appropriate sized connector and the "not being plugged in issue" will be a non issue
Using this device doubles the chance of melted connectors, since now there are two of these dodgy connectors in the current path. It might help if you keep an eye on it during gaming.
What could really prevent the melting is to use ONE conductor for the power, instead of four. And use a connector that can handle the current. Plenty of capable connector designs are available, for example what is in use for the main battery connections in drones.
Another great way to prevent the melting is to quadruple the voltage. 12V just doesn't cut it anymore. Time to move on.
wrong
people have been using 90 degree adaptors and it still only melts on gpu side
Trying to do that with lab equipment would be a nightmare! Great tool!!!!
Definitely cool 🤘 like any new product, there are kinks and learning curves. But this is fer sure a cool peice.
To be honest I would probably be more interested in something like this but with thermal probes that would monitor temperature of the connector on both sides and made noise when temp reaches almost melting point.
Seems like a ridiculous thing to have when they could just fix the power connector. It's not like we have a data center and are pushing like kW of power lmao. It's literally like 500w tops. This shouldn't even be something of concern and we definitely do not need to monitor a cables temperature😂
@@username8644 Product is already released and is fucked. So when I already own fucked product I would like to have some way to prevent it from melting.
@@username8644 Yeah I'm surprised they haven't just admitted the 12VHPWR isn't suitable for the 4090 or any cards that use that much power. For anything to be ready for the consumer market it's gotta be pretty fool proof and this sure as hell is not. They F'ed up and don't want to admit it, but the reviewers don't seem ready to admit it either for some reason.
@@korinogaro According to DerBauer you get like 95%+ of the performance with only 350 watts. Just power limit the card instead of relying on monitors to protect the cable/connector that's clearly not rated for the application.
@@korinogaro it’s not fucked, it’s mostly user error, instal
Your cable correctly and it won’t melt, Steve from gamers nexus came
To that conclusion and was extremely nice in his way of saying this is mostly
User error with things that obviously could have been done better. BUT if the user installed it correctly it wouldn’t melt.
Will could help solve NVIDIA Melting
Remote feature would be nice to go thru the differnt settings withought using the button thinking of consumer in a closed case not a test bench.
the moment you introduced the flow chart, I spit out my tea laughing :D
Who's Will?
Obviously it is time for NVIDIA to abandon this power plug setup. If you need devices to prevent it from melting down, or your customers are in fear of it happening no matter how well you plug it in,,,, the problem needs to be fixed at the manufacturer level.
Leave pc gaming it's the end only cloud gaming is our future not pc or gpus . Consumer market will end. No laptops no hardware No consoles only cloud pc , cloud gaming and phone's are our future.....
@@Noob._gamermagine having to rely on the internet to do anything. I definitely don't want to.
Edit: and you do realize people do more than gaming on their PCs?
@@Noob._gamer You’re so wrong it’s not even remotely funny.
@@Noob._gamer
The "future" is irrelevant because modern games are irredeemable garbage with few exceptions. I can simply replay my old games and emulate PS2 classics. The "future of gaming" can go to the 7th circle of hell for all I care.
@@Noob._gamer No one reply to this after me, its a literally an account dedicated to console shilling and trolling PC users, they don't reply back ever and are just doing it for arguments. The person behind is a sad low life who lives on TH-cam spamming this.
PCIe slot power draw can be found in either HWinfo 64 or GPU-Z , for a 4090 i am seeing just 8W usage so yes 99% comes from the plug .
they need a side release like how some motherboards now have one for gpus to release and slightly adjust the height so that some cases can use them a lot more easily
Nvidia said people just weren't plugging it in all the way. Maybe they're just harder to completely push in and that was what was causing problems? I'm not siding with them but it's an important possibility to consider
Gamingnexus already proved exactly that. The only problem the cables have is that sometimes its hard to push it in all the way and tell if it’s properly plugged in if your inexperienced.
Its 100% repeatable by not plugging it in all the way and they did everything they could to recreate it without having it not plugged in all the way and NOTHING worked except that.
Gamers Nexus made a series of vids on this, user error (because of the kinda bad design) is a very probable cause.
@@bronze1895 there's tha issue where even if dat stupid 16pin power connector is plugged in all tha way and it still burns
@@blakedmc1989RaveHD no it’s already been prooved wrong. They even put stuff inside the connector and couldn’t recreate it, they took out pins to try and recreate it, they used X-rays to see if there was metal in the lining of the plastic. Nothing worked in burning it except not plugging it in all the way.
@@bronze1895 yea right, tell it to NorthridgeFix who repairs electronics all tha time and even if stuff was put inside tha connector to recreate it or not, overtime it still burns! no thanks, they just need to go back to 8-pin because we never had these issues with 8-pin
The problem is the power draw is too high for a single connector, the economy is in the trash very few companies make good things the smaller the better the larger they make the worst and since nivida is so big now forget about them
Helpful tip use adab of silicone grease on sticky connectors. It is literally made for that. Used it on 24pin plugs for a while now.
Very nice, reminds me of system monitoring at work.
12vhpr plug will not should been have first place issue in the.
Dude were you having a stroke wtf
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Jay you will find that afterburner does not pick up transient spikes, helped a friend figure out why his 3070 is tripping OCP on his 650w aging PSU and found with a elmorlabs pmd on the wires that it can spike up to 400W while gaming but not in benchmarks and yet afterburner picked up none of those spikes, caught my 3090 spiking up to 570W even playing fortnite
so in that regard the wireview has a definite advantage over software readouts, nvidia probably smooths out the readouts to some average much like a oem boost guage vs aftermarket vacuum boost guage on cars
Cool! I gotta get one for my PC.
The melter. That's perfect!
My boy Will made it big 💯
As somebody who is currently running on integrated laptop graphics, can confirm I do need this.
That WH cover could be a series game changer for folks who rely on solar power and would like to make sure their gaming doesn't go over the amount of average power they get from their panels, or to see if they need to add more panels to make sure they keep their power usage covered.
I think I'll give this a try once i get panels installed and see if my gaming will require extra panels. Spiffy!
Just get one that the whole PC plugs into, then measure the totals
woah, this looks amazing! as now 5 months did any problems show up? Or they are sick good actually?
Off-topic, I'm surprised Jay changed the screwdriver to LTT's since he preferred the electric screwdriver from Amazon. Either the quality is that good, or he grabs whatever is lying around closest to him.
Just keep seeing it in most of the videos recently. And yes, the ratcheting mechanism is pretty ... addicting. It should undoubtedly be a fidget toy.
I don't normally get things mit der blinken licht, but when I do, Roman makes that stuff.
Salute to Will for maybe saving cards!👍