It's a lot easier to socialize in Zenith than in "social games" like Recroom. You can just join some people while they are fighting monsters and they will most likely talk to you and let them join their team.
This would be true if the player numbers weren't below 20 on average. That's horribly small for anything trying to be a "Massively Multiplayer" Online Role Playing Game.
Zenith was okay, but it really is a hollow shell of what a VRMMORPG could be with the right talent and an appropriate amount of resources. The dev team behind the game is scrappy to say the least, and that just doesn't cut it in this genre. I'm getting similar vibes from Ilysia.
I have to agree, what really held the game back for me on launch was how rushed it was, I played the entirety of the game at launch and it felt so rushed and the graphics were subpar. They tried so hard to get it on the quest that the game looked horrible on PC. Then there were loads of bugs and the story was heavily incomplete. This game shouldn't have been released yet. I think if they'd have maybe done a large scale open beta rather than a full release the community would've been better off. I really hoped this game would be one of those games that you can sink 1400 hours in easily but it's not. I played both classes all the way through at launch and I only managed 55 hours before I'd seen everything and the game had nothing left to be desired.
I have never played zenith before, however one mmo like Vr game called A Township Tale VR is super polished and doesn’t have half bad graphics. The game also has a really in depth crafting and gathering system.
Absolutely, I tried it for the first time last month and it is just simply not fun,I like the concepts and art, but voice acting is horrid (just a dev in a cardboard box) gameplay is mid, doesn't really explain much to you, and is pretty buggy
I got this game on launch, I think. I remember playing a bunch, but falling out after a few weeks. Even coming back now, some things just feel...unfinished. Shops have very limited stock and are all in weird places, and the main city feels really empty, but seeing all the new features makes me really want to get back into it. That and the really good cooking mechanics. Also woodcutting.
The dungeons were the end of it for me. Worst dungeon running ever. I use the word "running" because that's all anyone does. Just run as fast as possible to the boss skipping everything..
@@Thezuule1 I mean honestly.. Have you played retail WoW or most other mmos dungeons lately? My problem with zenith is it's very clearly a dev team without a lot of real mmo experience deciding they were going to be the first "real" vrmmo, and just looking at the old #1 mmo for tips. The game on release was so bare bones I felt ripped off. I'm glad to see they're still adding features, but I waited a year without seeing the 3rd class they were teasing in the release build, with I believe the only updates being "dungeons" and cooking(at a super rudimentary level)... The team isn't working fast, reliably, and not even smartly. It's an ambitious game with a team with nowhere near enough skillset. It's a nice reminder of everything to not screw up for an actual team that's trying to make a real game. I'm a massive mmo addict and I couldn't find a single hook to get me to grind in zenith... Hell I put more hours into a damn blacksmithing vr game than I have zenith, and I normally hate singleplayer experiences...(and this blacksmithing game is literally just a space inside a dungeon underground..)
@@death2foolz182 I honestly haven't and I was hoping Zenith would be the one given my love for all things VR the last few years. I played WoW at a high level for a couple years in my earlier days. Tried to come back to vanilla at one point but it just wasn't there. Made it to about level 35 and just couldn't do it anymore. You can't go home again and all that.. I have to unfortunately agree with your take on this game. Seems like they have some skilled designers just skilled in the wrong areas to take on a project like this. It really lacks the hook to keep you coming back. I was really hoping the dungeon system was going to be it. I wanted an experience where I could log in, queue up, actually grind through a dungeon as a team with coordination and all this.. you know, dungeon crawling, and all I got was a really bad speed running experience where it seemed like it was every man for themselves.
I thought it would be nice to add in my two cents as a Zenith only creator. There is a reason I have stuck with this game even when people ask me to branch out, there is nothing like this game, and it only takes one moment for a game to become viral, not only have we not seen that moment but I do believe it will come. However the vision of the game won't make it popular, games like rec room didn't become popular because you could play frisbee, it's because you could do it with others. There needs to be way more focus on community, even if it doesn't expand the main game. Ex: The game can be completed solo no problem expect for a few bosses / PvP has no support for any sort of leaderboard or competition and is hidden in the board game tab / Housing has no discoverability / There isn't any support for guild homes or any community areas I love this game but I don't play it often unless I have a niche moment. 1.3 was great, as someone who doesn't want to grind dungeons for 50 hours, searching for rare creatures and building a house is what is fun to me, lot of creativity and replayability there. I don't talk about my opinions of the game too much to keep my content decently formal but even though I stick with Zenith there are obvious flaws, and it's addressing those flaws that will improve the game. (They should've kept super gliding)
Real talk, i played it for a couple hours a year ago, and just the cooking profession was so damn cool. my buddy and i spent most of our time on the game just doing that. as we were whipping it up, another guy came up and started telling us about all the nuance of the gliding system and then spent another hour just jumping off buildings and playing with the gliding lol. genuinely a cool game, i should get back into it
As one of the people who was able to play in the betas and since launch, this game has come a long way. I love seeing how people understand how big of an achievement this game really is and are enjoying the experience. Great video!
It's a great first step, I'm sure many Korean and Japanese MMO developers are keeping a close eye on it to see what to do and not do for an MMO VR game. If even one of those developers that are coming out with really visually stunning MMOs makes a VR one it's gonna be HUGE
The issue is vr and regular are very different, physics and motion sickness are huge factors. Especially since the quest is a popular VR headset sadly. That thing has like 40 million users, so it bricks visual fidelity.
Playing since launch. I loved the community and guilds. Then the game slowed down in player growth. Dungeons and raids were cool but got repetitive quickly. Pets are great. I was all about getting a pandowl and hunting for them was my favorite thing. Now im hunting the Dazzling Pandowl and stil having fun. The game paid for it self 50 times over 👍😁
Because this game isn’t so good. I played it at launch and went through the world. It’s pretty soulless. I tried going back a few months ago and tried a new tutorial section they added. That section made me quit the game it was so bad.
@@XPhobic76I had a similar experience and felt like the game just wasn't nearly polished or optimized enough for me to want to dive in to the time commitment yet, but with all the updates so far and all that are planned I might be convinced to get back in. I'm hoping it will be like the VR version of no man's sky and become unrecognizable from it's launch state. Isn't it still technically in "beta"? I feel like a game like this fully optimized for quest 3 level hardware or higher is when VR MMOs will really get their footing.
Tldr: this is a fun game that is worth the buy in price. The devs aren't great about fixing bugs, but if you make friends with a late game player, you will be able to side step the major annoyances. One thing the devs are very focused on is expansion of the game, so if nothing else you have lots to do. The biggest thing is that you need to find someone who knows the game early on. There are a lot of bugs that can soft block new players, and even though they've been around for ages, the devs are slow to do anything about it. A prime example is the traveling merchant in skyland. The hut needs to be built like many other things by contributing resources you collect in the game. I repeatedly fed resources, some rare, some not, to this damn hut and have nothing to show for it. It was to the point I was about to quit the game for the second time to shelve it for another few months to give the devs time to work on it, when a friendly player ran by and helped me out. The problem being, there are some buildings in the area that are time locked and you do have to keep feeding them resources to use them. This was not one of those buildings, but there was nothing differentiating it from the other so until a more knowledgeable player took pity on me and corrected my ways, I was doomed to waste materials I didn't know the value of yet. This is one of many such bugs that can easily end your playthrough with a very negative impression of the game. However it was this mishap that also led me to one of the better parts of this game, the community. I was playing solo as I tend to do with a lot of MMOs so I can get a feel for the mechanics myself, but given the current state of the game this is just not advisable. Luckily there is a fairly friendly community and given the devs utilize the toxmod system, they are generally respectful and helpful. You will get the odd 10 year old spewing obscenities or being intentionally annoying, but the game has a built in ignore, block, and reporting system that allows you to mute players at the click of a button. Thankfully due to this system and the genuine love most players have for this game, the former is more common than the latter. All in all, as the the reviewer stated, this is a big game, but not a pretty one. You certainly have a lot to do, but as with most MMOs, a lot of it is busy work. The benefit to playing a VRMMO though, is that you are experiencing it all in first person, and with your own "hands". The fighting systems specifically are pretty well flushed out at this point and can get pretty fun in later game aspects like raids and dungeons. As with any VR game there are struggles outside of the ones the game intentionally throws at you like tracking issues and hitbox interactions, but overall it is an engaging experience.
This game wasn't bad, it definitely had combat elements down pat for what it is and my mates and myself enjoyed it however we had to stop playing it, 2 minor patches and stuff was becoming more and more broken with chests clipping through walls, npcs missing, tears (collectibles) not even rendering with half an eye invis and the other eye pink with missing texture. It's sad we had to put this one down and we'll definitely return if they fix these things. One of the most important aspects of an rpg is the experience along the way and this game was doing it well.
Amazing video dude, my personal experience with the game is quite the opposite actually, but I havent played the game for like a year. Last time I played however I got bored very quickly, theres a lot to do, but nothing of you what you can do is particularly fun. Ive played 100 hours of beat saber, and 200 of pavlov. Those games might not be as big in scope as Zenith, but I think they do their job so well that it doesnt matter. Pavlov and Beat Saber really nail their mechanics, I feel like Zenith is trying to be so much more than it really is. As someone who plays MMO's Zenith is by far the only game ive ever gotten truly bored of. I know they dont have the budget of some of the bigger MMO studios, but it just sucks becuase Zenith is a fantastic social platform, but the MMO part is just not great. I mean Ive never played a game with more boring combat and quests and ive played lots of MMOs. I really want to like Zenith so you've convinced me to give it another go. This video is well put together so you earned yourself a sub :D Just hoping I can enjoy it the same as you have! Zenith is 100% the best MMO in VR, but last time I played it it just felt like VR wasnt quite there yet, both with how dead the game was but also becuase of the mechanics. But im gonna be more open minded and try it again
W comment. I agree with everything you said! I definitely look past a lot of Zenith's flaws because I'm just happy to have a decent VR MMO to play. And I definitely agree, I think they definitely could benefit from refining their basic mechanics now that the game is decently large.
I'm the exact same. Let me know if it's much better now. I only played it for like 5 hours total before I was done with it. Lots of surface level stuff, but unfortunately nothing about it grabbed my interest. It felt so dull. The community was nice though. But there just wasn't anything there I wanted to play. Nothing interesting and no depth to get hooked into. I hope it becomes great in the future. I do appreciate them trying to make a VR mmo rpg. We all want one. But Zenith just ain't it unfortunately.
I played Zenith the day it came out on psvr, but wasn't the best first experience because the servers kept crashing and loading and eventually I got into different games, after seeing this video and all the updates they added since I first played, I'm definitely going to get this on my quest! (But I should probably get a better headstrap first lol)
I just started playing zenith yestwrday, its amazing. I love it. The social aspect is just awesome, i thought it would be a ghost town but as a cross platform game, ive already made 15 friends in zenith. What a chilled non toxic community. Yes there are lots of kids but some are mature and there are definitely a good amount of adults as well. What a great game
I'm planning to buy the quest 3 and already thinking on what to play on there and after watching this video, Zenith is definitely high on my list now. It is only sad it cost (just as beat saber) $30, so I think I first need to choose between this and beat saber and I think I'm first going for Zenith maybe, because it looks amazing and lots of fun! Thank you for sharing and the great video! Keep up the good work!
Zenith is a bad buy for $30 especially if you don’t have friends to play with. I never really liked beat saber but if you do get that instead of zentih
You can start by exploring all the nice free games on vr, population one, pavlov, vr chat, ultimechs, rec room etc there are nice videos listing and showing free vr games
Dont listen to that guy, ive been playing zenith for one day going on two days, i went into this game with no friends who own VR headsets. Ive made 15 friends on zenith alone, its not a ghost town and the community is so friendly. Its a really fun game ans people are kind and willing to help.
I'm glad you brought up performance on Quest 2. After the most recent updates it's far worse than it used to be (in my opinion). I notice frame drops way more consistently then when the game launched. Makes it hard to spend large amounts of time in the experience.
Looks ambitious, janky, and great! One small step closer to Ready Player One. I love some of the locomotion mechanics like gliding, grappling hooks, and ziplines. Those are really fun in VR.
Realistically the only thing that is close to Ready Player One would be VRChat, reason is there is a million of different worlds to visit, from recreations of SAO, to Nightclubs, Horror games and ballrooms with actuall teachers, or even Disney like castles and Cyberpunk worlds. Anything you can imagine. Craziest thing is I've actually known people to get in relationships IRL from meeting in VR, just like in the movie XD
I totally agree, this is a common complaint from me too! I think all VR games should have immersive menus that are more creative than just pointing and clicking.
This game deserves more recognition, it keeps growing and adding more content every day, the devs are looking to support as many platforms and add new VR features as possible, heck, I think it's the only VR game where you can play with players PCVR, PSVR, PSVR 2, Quest, Quest 2, Quest 3 all together using the best of what headsets on these platforms can offer. PS: I know they abandoned the original PSVR and Quest, it's a shame, but at least it's still available on PCVR, PSVR 2 and Quest 2/3 and they can all play together.
I loved this game. Haven’t played in almost half a year due to my eyes. I loved playing chess with friends. I might have to come back and try out the cyber ninja
0:55 That clip alone sold me The only time I've seen one bow split into two melee weapons is in my current favorite animated thing (Underverse) and that alone is enough for me
I love Zenith! It has been my favorite game since launch. I do have to force myself to take time off every now and then so I can give the rest of my VR library some love.
Just subscribed. As an early supporter of Zenith (I found out about it in 2020), I really appreciate this video. I pre-ordered Zenith and played it on release. I can remember the chaos of the release day, just due to the sheer number of people trying to log on. When I finally got on, the game music sent shivers down my spine. I had been waiting for the game for 2 years, and I've been a massive fan of VR MMOs because of SAO. In the first week, I got around 40-50 hours. Unfortunately, as of late, I haven't played much of it. To give you some reference- the last time I logged on myself and actually played the game was October. I have kept up with the updates and the new features, but I just haven't found the time to log on. Especially considering the same thing happened to my guild, so I don't have any people to play with (I also have massive social anxiety 😅). Right now, I'm looking more forward to Illysia than Zenith. I guess I burned myself out.
I'm a Gamemaster for Zenith, and really appreciate seeing this review from someone I've not heard of yet! I'm super glad you mentioned the community, since it's definitely one of the more positive spaces I've been in during my time online. I hope to see you in-game some time, maybe we could run some raids in the future :) oh, and I _should_ mention - the graphics do look quite stunning on PCVR and PSVR, although I'll also admit they could use a little work on quest. I can vouch that the devs are working hard on optimisations and improvements anywhere they can though! If you can afford PCVR and would be interested in a graphical upgrade, it's definitely worthwhile installing zenith via the desktop oculus store (as it's crossbuy between quest and rift stores, so you won't have to buy it again.)
@@G.Giorgio I don’t have information on that unfortunately (and if I did, it would be under my NDA so I couldn’t tell you xP) BUT, the devs are working on the new class’s other two specs (tank and support), each of which may have some cool skills. I’m quite exited to see how they turn out myself.
I think this game looks and feels like old school Runescape which is exciting to see because hopefully it also serves at the OG good game for VR in the future.
I reviewed the game a bit back, one of the devs responded with a "try the game again we added a new class :D" then i explained the problems with dungeons, grinding, ui, gameplay, and overall soullessness of gamepaly lol
Everyone talks about Sword Art Online, but I've watched 100's of animes where the entire world starts to revolve around some sort of VR RPG game where real life feels like the game. The main character then continues to exploit the entire world and gets 1000000's of Yen like no one else. I can't wait until something of actual high quality appears and there becomes a large skill gap and like 30 classes to choose from just like the animes. Right now we just aren't there yet.
i keep playing a bit and forgeting abt the game and everytime i hear about it there is something new thats crazy these devs are so good for always updating their game
Walked into the game looking for SAO, met some other newbies and went on a baby quest, had the virtual mmo combat and team experience, needless to say i got my SAO. I can tell i’m gonna sink tons of hours.
I honestly wish the cooking system would get a huge overhaul. I love that this game added cooking, but it really feels like "Baby's First Cooking Sim". I get it, this game isn't a cooking sim, but they can at least make it so the items don't glitch through your hands. I'd seriously spend weeks grinding cooking skills, finding special ingredients, and selling them to people.
I hope more people will be giving the game a shot with the 2.0 update! A lot of people seem to get bored after a while, which i understand, but i think the main thing always bringing me back are the people. Make some friends, join some community events and you'll fall in love again, at least that's what I think ^-^
I love how it’s not hundreds of hours into thousands of hours it takes like eight months to get legendary gear. It’s so hard but so much fun if you get into it.
I disagree with your point about beat saber. I TOTALLY agree that most vr games these days are basically an elevated tech demos. but beat saber is not one of them. yeah it's simple but so are other games like csgo, mario kart, hell even chess. its more about feeling complete rather than being complicated. beat saber takes what its trying to do and does it perfectly, theres nothing else needed. Other vr games often have a feeling of "...thats it?" which is the real problem
I definitely agree beat saber is amazing at what it sets out to do, but when you think of all the posibilites for VR, slicing neon blocks seems so lame in comparison to exploring a vast virtual world full of players to meet, enemies to fight, loot to gather and so much more. VR has so much unfulfilled potential and if we only think it’s useful for arcade games then we will never get Tron irl which is secretly all I want hahah
The _only_ reason I got bored of Beat Saber is because I ran out of new songs that I enjoyed playing it on. There are about 40 songs (original and modded) in Beat Saber that I really like, but I know there are literally _hundreds_ of other songs that could be added that I would like to try.
This video is an interesting perspective of someone who sees Zenith as a "VR social experience with extras" and not as as a full fledged RPG. Definitely not to say that point of view is wrong, but for people who look at it as a game first instead, there's a lot of other issues with it beyond just crafting and performance. The best and worst thing about Zenith is the fact that it's a VR title (and available directly on Oculus). It's one of the few titles of it's kind in VR, but it makes development a lot more expensive and limited to a standalone headset's hardware, limited reach due to VR being expensive. They originally (and still do?) planned to bring it to Desktop, however the gameplay doesn't stand up to any other desktop MMORPG. Combat is bland and repetitive, enemy AI is horrible and randomly walks away in the middle of melee combat or through walls, you can parry (not an explained mechanic) some telegraphed attacks and not others, the tutorial doesn't cover even 20% of the existing systems or even point to you how to reach them (for example in the video you had to explain to your new player friend how to grab the multitool as the game doesn't tell you, and unless you've played other VR games you're stuck). It's a solid 4/10 game all things considered.
OMG ZENITH HASNT DIED!!! They took a bunch of great things out on one update and the clan I’m in stop getting on to play and so did a lot of other people but seeing this!!! I’m going to get on later
You should really try “a township tale” it’s kinda like like this game but it’s more realistic and more in the olden days but it’s very fun with its own unique things! I think you would really like it!
I really just need more classes. No MMO should release with anything less than 5 classes... My main issue was I didn't really like the magic class, and my body just can't do the sword-flailing stuff without some serious damage. I need to try that archer class..
A shame the weapons that orher players are holding are just floating in the air. Zenith is more like awesome elements of what a mmorpg should have but it missed the basics. Like actually hitting an enemy instead of an avatar which just has points that go down.
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@@abel6298what’s your opinion on CSB?
Trash game
If Zenith got an insane graphic overhaul it might be worth checking out, but when it looks as bad as Roblox for 8 years ago, then it's a nah.
It's a lot easier to socialize in Zenith than in "social games" like Recroom. You can just join some people while they are fighting monsters and they will most likely talk to you and let them join their team.
That’s exactly what I love about it!
Got to the end area like that
This would be true if the player numbers weren't below 20 on average. That's horribly small for anything trying to be a "Massively Multiplayer" Online Role Playing Game.
@@noxinabox3506idk Whatchu mean bro there’s tons of people after the tutorial Island. That’s the point when you shouldn’t been partying up
Rec room is liked for its pvp more than anything
Zenith was okay, but it really is a hollow shell of what a VRMMORPG could be with the right talent and an appropriate amount of resources. The dev team behind the game is scrappy to say the least, and that just doesn't cut it in this genre. I'm getting similar vibes from Ilysia.
I have to agree, what really held the game back for me on launch was how rushed it was, I played the entirety of the game at launch and it felt so rushed and the graphics were subpar. They tried so hard to get it on the quest that the game looked horrible on PC. Then there were loads of bugs and the story was heavily incomplete. This game shouldn't have been released yet. I think if they'd have maybe done a large scale open beta rather than a full release the community would've been better off. I really hoped this game would be one of those games that you can sink 1400 hours in easily but it's not. I played both classes all the way through at launch and I only managed 55 hours before I'd seen everything and the game had nothing left to be desired.
I have never played zenith before, however one mmo like Vr game called A Township Tale VR is super polished and doesn’t have half bad graphics. The game also has a really in depth crafting and gathering system.
Absolutely, I tried it for the first time last month and it is just simply not fun,I like the concepts and art, but voice acting is horrid (just a dev in a cardboard box) gameplay is mid, doesn't really explain much to you, and is pretty buggy
@@Clanps how get past elf areA
The day we get an isekai-style vrmmorpg will be the next great videogame revolution
I got this game on launch, I think. I remember playing a bunch, but falling out after a few weeks. Even coming back now, some things just feel...unfinished. Shops have very limited stock and are all in weird places, and the main city feels really empty, but seeing all the new features makes me really want to get back into it. That and the really good cooking mechanics. Also woodcutting.
yeah its been updated a ton! Still definitely a work in progress but I love what they've added!
The dungeons were the end of it for me. Worst dungeon running ever. I use the word "running" because that's all anyone does. Just run as fast as possible to the boss skipping everything..
@@Thezuule1 I mean honestly.. Have you played retail WoW or most other mmos dungeons lately?
My problem with zenith is it's very clearly a dev team without a lot of real mmo experience deciding they were going to be the first "real" vrmmo, and just looking at the old #1 mmo for tips.
The game on release was so bare bones I felt ripped off. I'm glad to see they're still adding features, but I waited a year without seeing the 3rd class they were teasing in the release build, with I believe the only updates being "dungeons" and cooking(at a super rudimentary level)...
The team isn't working fast, reliably, and not even smartly. It's an ambitious game with a team with nowhere near enough skillset. It's a nice reminder of everything to not screw up for an actual team that's trying to make a real game.
I'm a massive mmo addict and I couldn't find a single hook to get me to grind in zenith... Hell I put more hours into a damn blacksmithing vr game than I have zenith, and I normally hate singleplayer experiences...(and this blacksmithing game is literally just a space inside a dungeon underground..)
@@death2foolz182 I honestly haven't and I was hoping Zenith would be the one given my love for all things VR the last few years. I played WoW at a high level for a couple years in my earlier days. Tried to come back to vanilla at one point but it just wasn't there. Made it to about level 35 and just couldn't do it anymore. You can't go home again and all that.. I have to unfortunately agree with your take on this game. Seems like they have some skilled designers just skilled in the wrong areas to take on a project like this. It really lacks the hook to keep you coming back. I was really hoping the dungeon system was going to be it. I wanted an experience where I could log in, queue up, actually grind through a dungeon as a team with coordination and all this.. you know, dungeon crawling, and all I got was a really bad speed running experience where it seemed like it was every man for themselves.
They should just port a good flatscreen mmo to VR. The playerbase is too small to develop a robust mmo just for VR users.
There really should be more VR MMORPGS. I can imagine what it'd be like playing other mmos on vr like Everequest, WoW, Guild Wars, ect.
I thought it would be nice to add in my two cents as a Zenith only creator.
There is a reason I have stuck with this game even when people ask me to branch out, there is nothing like this game, and it only takes one moment for a game to become viral, not only have we not seen that moment but I do believe it will come.
However the vision of the game won't make it popular, games like rec room didn't become popular because you could play frisbee, it's because you could do it with others. There needs to be way more focus on community, even if it doesn't expand the main game.
Ex: The game can be completed solo no problem expect for a few bosses / PvP has no support for any sort of leaderboard or competition and is hidden in the board game tab / Housing has no discoverability / There isn't any support for guild homes or any community areas
I love this game but I don't play it often unless I have a niche moment. 1.3 was great, as someone who doesn't want to grind dungeons for 50 hours, searching for rare creatures and building a house is what is fun to me, lot of creativity and replayability there.
I don't talk about my opinions of the game too much to keep my content decently formal but even though I stick with Zenith there are obvious flaws, and it's addressing those flaws that will improve the game.
(They should've kept super gliding)
Woah hey there! Thanks for sharing your thoughts! It so cool to hear from you, your videos helped me a ton when I started playing again!
Heard township tale is cool
Pog dev
Rip the super glide 😭
I quit when they removed super gliding.
Real talk, i played it for a couple hours a year ago, and just the cooking profession was so damn cool. my buddy and i spent most of our time on the game just doing that. as we were whipping it up, another guy came up and started telling us about all the nuance of the gliding system and then spent another hour just jumping off buildings and playing with the gliding lol. genuinely a cool game, i should get back into it
Same I totally has a similar experience too I should pick it up again!
It's definitely gotten better. There is a lot more to do then on launch.
As one of the people who was able to play in the betas and since launch, this game has come a long way. I love seeing how people understand how big of an achievement this game really is and are enjoying the experience. Great video!
This is the type of game I let and grow while I forget about it and a couple years later I come in and go absolutely nuts!
Just got recommended this video. Crazy that this got so many views, and now Zenith is being left behind. I'll never forget you, Zenith
It's a great first step, I'm sure many Korean and Japanese MMO developers are keeping a close eye on it to see what to do and not do for an MMO VR game. If even one of those developers that are coming out with really visually stunning MMOs makes a VR one it's gonna be HUGE
The issue is vr and regular are very different, physics and motion sickness are huge factors.
Especially since the quest is a popular VR headset sadly.
That thing has like 40 million users, so it bricks visual fidelity.
Playing since launch. I loved the community and guilds. Then the game slowed down in player growth. Dungeons and raids were cool but got repetitive quickly. Pets are great. I was all about getting a pandowl and hunting for them was my favorite thing. Now im hunting the Dazzling Pandowl and stil having fun. The game paid for it self 50 times over 👍😁
Ofc its gonna get reptitive
Its an rpg
wait this is like the coolest thing ever, why has no one else attempted to make a VR MMO yet
There are only a few! But I definitely agree, it seems to be the perfect genre of game for VR.
There a game called orbusvr reborn that’s been out for like 5 years and it’s really fun
Because this game isn’t so good. I played it at launch and went through the world. It’s pretty soulless. I tried going back a few months ago and tried a new tutorial section they added. That section made me quit the game it was so bad.
@@XPhobic76I had a similar experience and felt like the game just wasn't nearly polished or optimized enough for me to want to dive in to the time commitment yet, but with all the updates so far and all that are planned I might be convinced to get back in. I'm hoping it will be like the VR version of no man's sky and become unrecognizable from it's launch state. Isn't it still technically in "beta"?
I feel like a game like this fully optimized for quest 3 level hardware or higher is when VR MMOs will really get their footing.
😊Read your bible! (KJV, preferably) ❤️
Tldr: this is a fun game that is worth the buy in price. The devs aren't great about fixing bugs, but if you make friends with a late game player, you will be able to side step the major annoyances. One thing the devs are very focused on is expansion of the game, so if nothing else you have lots to do.
The biggest thing is that you need to find someone who knows the game early on. There are a lot of bugs that can soft block new players, and even though they've been around for ages, the devs are slow to do anything about it.
A prime example is the traveling merchant in skyland. The hut needs to be built like many other things by contributing resources you collect in the game. I repeatedly fed resources, some rare, some not, to this damn hut and have nothing to show for it. It was to the point I was about to quit the game for the second time to shelve it for another few months to give the devs time to work on it, when a friendly player ran by and helped me out. The problem being, there are some buildings in the area that are time locked and you do have to keep feeding them resources to use them. This was not one of those buildings, but there was nothing differentiating it from the other so until a more knowledgeable player took pity on me and corrected my ways, I was doomed to waste materials I didn't know the value of yet.
This is one of many such bugs that can easily end your playthrough with a very negative impression of the game. However it was this mishap that also led me to one of the better parts of this game, the community. I was playing solo as I tend to do with a lot of MMOs so I can get a feel for the mechanics myself, but given the current state of the game this is just not advisable. Luckily there is a fairly friendly community and given the devs utilize the toxmod system, they are generally respectful and helpful. You will get the odd 10 year old spewing obscenities or being intentionally annoying, but the game has a built in ignore, block, and reporting system that allows you to mute players at the click of a button. Thankfully due to this system and the genuine love most players have for this game, the former is more common than the latter.
All in all, as the the reviewer stated, this is a big game, but not a pretty one. You certainly have a lot to do, but as with most MMOs, a lot of it is busy work. The benefit to playing a VRMMO though, is that you are experiencing it all in first person, and with your own "hands". The fighting systems specifically are pretty well flushed out at this point and can get pretty fun in later game aspects like raids and dungeons. As with any VR game there are struggles outside of the ones the game intentionally throws at you like tracking issues and hitbox interactions, but overall it is an engaging experience.
This game wasn't bad, it definitely had combat elements down pat for what it is and my mates and myself enjoyed it however we had to stop playing it, 2 minor patches and stuff was becoming more and more broken with chests clipping through walls, npcs missing, tears (collectibles) not even rendering with half an eye invis and the other eye pink with missing texture. It's sad we had to put this one down and we'll definitely return if they fix these things. One of the most important aspects of an rpg is the experience along the way and this game was doing it well.
Amazing video dude, my personal experience with the game is quite the opposite actually, but I havent played the game for like a year. Last time I played however I got bored very quickly, theres a lot to do, but nothing of you what you can do is particularly fun. Ive played 100 hours of beat saber, and 200 of pavlov. Those games might not be as big in scope as Zenith, but I think they do their job so well that it doesnt matter. Pavlov and Beat Saber really nail their mechanics, I feel like Zenith is trying to be so much more than it really is.
As someone who plays MMO's Zenith is by far the only game ive ever gotten truly bored of. I know they dont have the budget of some of the bigger MMO studios, but it just sucks becuase Zenith is a fantastic social platform, but the MMO part is just not great. I mean Ive never played a game with more boring combat and quests and ive played lots of MMOs.
I really want to like Zenith so you've convinced me to give it another go. This video is well put together so you earned yourself a sub :D
Just hoping I can enjoy it the same as you have! Zenith is 100% the best MMO in VR, but last time I played it it just felt like VR wasnt quite there yet, both with how dead the game was but also becuase of the mechanics. But im gonna be more open minded and try it again
W comment. I agree with everything you said! I definitely look past a lot of Zenith's flaws because I'm just happy to have a decent VR MMO to play. And I definitely agree, I think they definitely could benefit from refining their basic mechanics now that the game is decently large.
I'm the exact same. Let me know if it's much better now.
I only played it for like 5 hours total before I was done with it.
Lots of surface level stuff, but unfortunately nothing about it grabbed my interest. It felt so dull.
The community was nice though. But there just wasn't anything there I wanted to play. Nothing interesting and no depth to get hooked into.
I hope it becomes great in the future. I do appreciate them trying to make a VR mmo rpg. We all want one.
But Zenith just ain't it unfortunately.
I played Zenith the day it came out on psvr, but wasn't the best first experience because the servers kept crashing and loading and eventually I got into different games, after seeing this video and all the updates they added since I first played, I'm definitely going to get this on my quest! (But I should probably get a better headstrap first lol)
I just started playing zenith yestwrday, its amazing. I love it. The social aspect is just awesome, i thought it would be a ghost town but as a cross platform game, ive already made 15 friends in zenith. What a chilled non toxic community. Yes there are lots of kids but some are mature and there are definitely a good amount of adults as well. What a great game
I'm planning to buy the quest 3 and already thinking on what to play on there and after watching this video, Zenith is definitely high on my list now. It is only sad it cost (just as beat saber) $30, so I think I first need to choose between this and beat saber and I think I'm first going for Zenith maybe, because it looks amazing and lots of fun! Thank you for sharing and the great video! Keep up the good work!
Zenith is a bad buy for $30 especially if you don’t have friends to play with. I never really liked beat saber but if you do get that instead of zentih
You can start by exploring all the nice free games on vr, population one, pavlov, vr chat, ultimechs, rec room etc there are nice videos listing and showing free vr games
Dont listen to that guy, ive been playing zenith for one day going on two days, i went into this game with no friends who own VR headsets. Ive made 15 friends on zenith alone, its not a ghost town and the community is so friendly. Its a really fun game ans people are kind and willing to help.
@@bxile730 listen to me dont get for $30 maybe if sale for 50% off
Zenith is very mid, and if you don’t have friends to play with it’s ass
BRO COVERS GENUINELY GOOD VR GAMES. subbed instantly, never heard of this or you but I’m locked in with you now.
Wow! Thank you! More to come!
I'm glad you brought up performance on Quest 2. After the most recent updates it's far worse than it used to be (in my opinion). I notice frame drops way more consistently then when the game launched. Makes it hard to spend large amounts of time in the experience.
love to see that people are actually giving this game the fame that it deserves
Such game would be cool when Full Dive VR comes along.
Looks ambitious, janky, and great! One small step closer to Ready Player One. I love some of the locomotion mechanics like gliding, grappling hooks, and ziplines. Those are really fun in VR.
The game does seem cool but I'm not sure I want Ready Player One, it's a bit of a dystopia
Realistically the only thing that is close to Ready Player One would be VRChat, reason is there is a million of different worlds to visit, from recreations of SAO, to Nightclubs, Horror games and ballrooms with actuall teachers, or even Disney like castles and Cyberpunk worlds. Anything you can imagine.
Craziest thing is I've actually known people to get in relationships IRL from meeting in VR, just like in the movie XD
This channel made me want to pick my oculus back up!
Underrated youtuber of the month award goes to Virtual Bro Reviews
I wish the UI of zenith was more immersive. Like instead of a huge screen in-front of you, it could be a smaller screen like the quest tablet mode.
I totally agree, this is a common complaint from me too! I think all VR games should have immersive menus that are more creative than just pointing and clicking.
This game deserves more recognition, it keeps growing and adding more content every day, the devs are looking to support as many platforms and add new VR features as possible, heck, I think it's the only VR game where you can play with players PCVR, PSVR, PSVR 2, Quest, Quest 2, Quest 3 all together using the best of what headsets on these platforms can offer.
PS: I know they abandoned the original PSVR and Quest, it's a shame, but at least it's still available on PCVR, PSVR 2 and Quest 2/3 and they can all play together.
I loved this game. Haven’t played in almost half a year due to my eyes. I loved playing chess with friends. I might have to come back and try out the cyber ninja
0:55 That clip alone sold me
The only time I've seen one bow split into two melee weapons is in my current favorite animated thing (Underverse) and that alone is enough for me
Try A Township Tale. Probably one of the best games i have ever played for vr. Very similar to this game actually
i played zenith when it came out, grinding it out and stopped playing since then. but i havent realized how muuch bigger it became
I love Zenith! It has been my favorite game since launch. I do have to force myself to take time off every now and then so I can give the rest of my VR library some love.
I actually got Zenith on release day. It's been amazing to watch the game grow with all the new mechanics and areas and even a new class!
As someone working on getting their vr legs, my stomach turned upside down the moment you said grappling hook
Haha then you would probably hate my Project Demigod video…
Just subscribed. As an early supporter of Zenith (I found out about it in 2020), I really appreciate this video. I pre-ordered Zenith and played it on release. I can remember the chaos of the release day, just due to the sheer number of people trying to log on. When I finally got on, the game music sent shivers down my spine. I had been waiting for the game for 2 years, and I've been a massive fan of VR MMOs because of SAO. In the first week, I got around 40-50 hours.
Unfortunately, as of late, I haven't played much of it. To give you some reference- the last time I logged on myself and actually played the game was October. I have kept up with the updates and the new features, but I just haven't found the time to log on. Especially considering the same thing happened to my guild, so I don't have any people to play with (I also have massive social anxiety 😅).
Right now, I'm looking more forward to Illysia than Zenith. I guess I burned myself out.
Thanks for sharing your perspective! I Can totally understand that. I too am very excited for Ilysia!!!
1:22 wow, okay. I legit raised my eyebrows at that list. Goddamn!
May I ask HOW THE HECK DO YOU NOT HAVE A MILLLION SUUUUUUBS??? Underrated champ.
waiting on full dive VR makes it better to look fowards to when this exists!
I'm a Gamemaster for Zenith, and really appreciate seeing this review from someone I've not heard of yet! I'm super glad you mentioned the community, since it's definitely one of the more positive spaces I've been in during my time online. I hope to see you in-game some time, maybe we could run some raids in the future :)
oh, and I _should_ mention - the graphics do look quite stunning on PCVR and PSVR, although I'll also admit they could use a little work on quest. I can vouch that the devs are working hard on optimisations and improvements anywhere they can though! If you can afford PCVR and would be interested in a graphical upgrade, it's definitely worthwhile installing zenith via the desktop oculus store (as it's crossbuy between quest and rift stores, so you won't have to buy it again.)
Do you know if there is a chance that we get abilities similar to actual mmos in that game? I am kinda missing that in vr gaming
Thank you for your comment!! That’s great to know, I can’t wait to hop into Zenith when I get a PC! I hope to see you in game too!
@@G.Giorgio I don’t have information on that unfortunately (and if I did, it would be under my NDA so I couldn’t tell you xP)
BUT, the devs are working on the new class’s other two specs (tank and support), each of which may have some cool skills. I’m quite exited to see how they turn out myself.
I think this game looks and feels like old school Runescape which is exciting to see because hopefully it also serves at the OG good game for VR in the future.
Good point, I think so!
If full dive ver is ever a thing games like these are what I’m going to play
This game runs so much better and looks so much crisper on the PSVR2…it’s fun all around for all systems tho
I wish there was a vr game similar to all those amazing isekai animes we all love
If you want another one of those hard to find “complete” vr games then I cannot recommend “Into The Radius” enough.
Read your bible! (KJV, preferably) ❤️😊❤
Good choice, that game has a lot of meat on its bones. VERY well done overall experience, and I still get goosebumps playing it.
zenith is the best social experience i had in vr
that game had a lot of hype during it's launch, there wasn't enough server for everybody on day1 but now it's empty
why im watching so much vr games videos i dont even have a vr headset
I just got the Quest 3, can’t wait to play this on next payday.
Legendary ZENITH video
Legendary COMMENT
"Creatures to catch and summon"
Captions: "Pokemon simulator LOL"
😂😂😂
Finally someone commented about it lol
the game is great
I ordered it 2 weeks ago
and it is highly recommended for everyone
best psvr2 game so far
I reviewed the game a bit back, one of the devs responded with a "try the game again we added a new class :D" then i explained the problems with dungeons, grinding, ui, gameplay, and overall soullessness of gamepaly lol
i cant wait to look at zenith with steam vr through the new quest 3
I played on release and I saw a lot of new additions in this video, I already know what Im going to be playing this afternoon
Everyone talks about Sword Art Online, but I've watched 100's of animes where the entire world starts to revolve around some sort of VR RPG game where real life feels like the game. The main character then continues to exploit the entire world and gets 1000000's of Yen like no one else. I can't wait until something of actual high quality appears and there becomes a large skill gap and like 30 classes to choose from just like the animes. Right now we just aren't there yet.
Zenith on quest is definitely not graphical, but on PCVR, it looks insanely good, its the most beautiful game I have played.
I am definitely making a play through on this game! Thanks for telling me about it!
Its crazy that SAO the game in the anime came out in 2022 and Zenith came out at 2022 too lmao
i dont have VR but this is the game that i most want play
I wish before i die, i can play and try a vr mmorpg just like in some anime. As a gamer , that's one of the most fulfilling experience.
i keep playing a bit and forgeting abt the game and everytime i hear about it there is something new thats crazy these devs are so good for always updating their game
I totally agree! have you tried the new update?
I'm grabbing this the moment the quest 3 arrives
Duuude what!, i haven't played this game in 2 years its crazy to see all the new gear and classes i moved over to oculus i plan on getting this
Walked into the game looking for SAO, met some other newbies and went on a baby quest, had the virtual mmo combat and team experience, needless to say i got my SAO. I can tell i’m gonna sink tons of hours.
i love this game but i wish the mage had a staff or just used the hands instead of just guns basically
I honestly wish the cooking system would get a huge overhaul. I love that this game added cooking, but it really feels like "Baby's First Cooking Sim". I get it, this game isn't a cooking sim, but they can at least make it so the items don't glitch through your hands. I'd seriously spend weeks grinding cooking skills, finding special ingredients, and selling them to people.
I hope more people will be giving the game a shot with the 2.0 update! A lot of people seem to get bored after a while, which i understand, but i think the main thing always bringing me back are the people. Make some friends, join some community events and you'll fall in love again, at least that's what I think ^-^
this video reminds me of runescape. chopping trees doing dungeons and upgrading armor n weapons
I really want this game to succeed and will be buying it today to do my part. We need the little mmorpgs in the VR community to thrive
Awesome video and review! Just bought it on PSVR2, love all the features and different things to do in this game, can’t wait to give it a try! :)
That’s awesome! Let me know what you think!
You've earned my sub with this video, keep up the great content!
Thank you so much! :)
Used to grind this game then it got old might go back now I’ve seen the new features
I just got the quest 3 and I am so excited to try this game
OK, that intro got me to sub, very good and I look forward to your input and info about more VR games.
Thanks for the helpful video 👍🏼
I love how it’s not hundreds of hours into thousands of hours it takes like eight months to get legendary gear. It’s so hard but so much fun if you get into it.
I bought this game when it first came out and was bummed out, but it looks way better than what it was on launch so hey imma reinstall and see it.
I disagree with your point about beat saber. I TOTALLY agree that most vr games these days are basically an elevated tech demos. but beat saber is not one of them. yeah it's simple but so are other games like csgo, mario kart, hell even chess. its more about feeling complete rather than being complicated. beat saber takes what its trying to do and does it perfectly, theres nothing else needed. Other vr games often have a feeling of "...thats it?" which is the real problem
I definitely agree beat saber is amazing at what it sets out to do, but when you think of all the posibilites for VR, slicing neon blocks seems so lame in comparison to exploring a vast virtual world full of players to meet, enemies to fight, loot to gather and so much more. VR has so much unfulfilled potential and if we only think it’s useful for arcade games then we will never get Tron irl which is secretly all I want hahah
Game looks sick, I’m going to have to download it plus subscribed :)
Definitely check it out! And thank you!
Just got this for Quest pcvr cant wait
This game did what a township tale couldn’t
makes me want runescape vr lol
I use the Bobo and I like it. It gets a little heavy after a while but helps with weight distribution
this is the reason i stoped playing zenith for a while i wanted to wait for a whole bunch of new things so i can just grind my heart away
It's definitely worth hopping into again!
I'm definitely checking this out
Not going to lie, that cooking mini game looks incredible
It’s my favorite part hahah
hey man just here to say great channel and cant wait for more videos :D
The _only_ reason I got bored of Beat Saber is because I ran out of new songs that I enjoyed playing it on. There are about 40 songs (original and modded) in Beat Saber that I really like, but I know there are literally _hundreds_ of other songs that could be added that I would like to try.
Basically sword art online vr but you can log out
exactly!
you should try a township tale its alot like this game but a lot better in my opinion its also free
I remember when it was in early access and haven't seen it since. DAM
i love this channel and i found it a few minutes ago, third video i am watching lol
Hey I appreciate it! :)
Orbus VR, probably the first RPG style game in VR
Looks cool!
Wow this game got so much updates im happy i played it since day one
This is why I miss EchoVR also SAIL is an amazing VR game
This video is an interesting perspective of someone who sees Zenith as a "VR social experience with extras" and not as as a full fledged RPG. Definitely not to say that point of view is wrong, but for people who look at it as a game first instead, there's a lot of other issues with it beyond just crafting and performance.
The best and worst thing about Zenith is the fact that it's a VR title (and available directly on Oculus). It's one of the few titles of it's kind in VR, but it makes development a lot more expensive and limited to a standalone headset's hardware, limited reach due to VR being expensive. They originally (and still do?) planned to bring it to Desktop, however the gameplay doesn't stand up to any other desktop MMORPG.
Combat is bland and repetitive, enemy AI is horrible and randomly walks away in the middle of melee combat or through walls, you can parry (not an explained mechanic) some telegraphed attacks and not others, the tutorial doesn't cover even 20% of the existing systems or even point to you how to reach them (for example in the video you had to explain to your new player friend how to grab the multitool as the game doesn't tell you, and unless you've played other VR games you're stuck).
It's a solid 4/10 game all things considered.
OMG ZENITH HASNT DIED!!! They took a bunch of great things out on one update and the clan I’m in stop getting on to play and so did a lot of other people but seeing this!!! I’m going to get on later
You should really try “a township tale” it’s kinda like like this game but it’s more realistic and more in the olden days but it’s very fun with its own unique things! I think you would really like it!
dang i played this game a bit when it first came out but got bored, and holy they added a lot of new stuff
I really just need more classes. No MMO should release with anything less than 5 classes... My main issue was I didn't really like the magic class, and my body just can't do the sword-flailing stuff without some serious damage.
I need to try that archer class..
A shame the weapons that orher players are holding are just floating in the air. Zenith is more like awesome elements of what a mmorpg should have but it missed the basics. Like actually hitting an enemy instead of an avatar which just has points that go down.