That would be a costly undertaking on a issue that cannot be defined as a detriment to the engine therefore a recall would be ridiculous from a companies standpoint. Yes I have a 23 brz.
They made the flange too thin and gave it a weird little recessed lip. Not sure why they designed it that way. Luckily, this engine didn't have a concerning amount of RTV in the pickup.
I was going to buy a 2024 GR86, but scared away due to this RTV issue. I don't plan on tracking it, but it is a car I would of used as a daily and hope to keep it for a decade. With the RTV issue I worry about the reliability and longevity especially with how subaru is getting a bad rap with class action law suites against them for electronics and other things. I did today ask the sales manager the local "stealership" who has 2 GR86's coming in (so basically need to put a deposit down to lock them in) if the RTV issue was fixed on the 2024 models. His response was "we have not heard anything from Toyota regarding this issue for 2023 or 2024. Unless its big enough where Toyota will have a recall, I am not really sure what this issue is and how many cars are impacted." The GR86 checks all the boxes for me, but I can't move forward taking my hard earned cash and putting it into this since I feel Subaru has been making engines for a long time and this sounds like a simple fix to me - and the fact they are keeping everyone in the dark tells me they are not doing anything to fix the problem. The cars are 34k msrp where I live, vs 29k msrp. Just way to much to buy for something that may turn into a headache down the road. Really appreciate posting this video and educating folks on this. WRX and GR86 are great cars, but when I think of Subaru I don't think "reliability". I owned a 1998 Subara Imprezza 2.5RS. I bought it new and 4k miles after ownership, the engine had to be rebuilt due to some defect. At 26k miles, the drive-shaft fell off when driving down the highway. I avoided Subaru's ever since that experience but was willing to give them a 2nd chance with the GR86, but the red flags still in 2024 with this RTV issue tells me Subaru hasn't changed much since 1998. I have no idea why Reliability is not applied to making a vehicle to build loyal folks especially with how crazy expensive cars are these days - we need it to last for many many years.
Had a forester and man that thing consumed a quart of oil with each gas fill. Mechanic just strait up told me it would need a full rebuild to stop oil consumption or get a different car. It was much cheaper to get a different car. Shame because porsche doesnt have these kinds of issues(except in one engine). So you would think that Subaru would learn from the only other major boxer enginer manufacturer and get their engines to run problem free. Heck, porsche even makes their engine's easy to repair by designing the car's frane with rhe engine in mind and vise-versa. A Subaru sports car, really, is a problematic Porsche without any if the porsche performance. A.K.A. a subaru 😂
I have been tracking this "issue" from day. I have compiled all the data from every internet source you can imagine that relates to the BRZ\86. After extensive research my results show a shocking number of vehicles impacted by RTV. How shocking is that number? VERY. What is the EXACT number of vehicles that have had damage caused by RTV....? ZERO. EXACTLY ZERO.
@@Ironheade21 The same oil starvation issues that have plagued every subaru boxer engine in history. Poor oil drainage from the heads back to the pan along with no baffles and poor pickup placement. You see it more in BRZ\86 and WRX\STI because those are the only ones driven hard enough to make it more pronounced. Along with the fact that many of the owners with cars that blew up admitted to having a money shift. Sometimes that blows the motor instantly and sometimes it jars the rotating assembly just enough to chew up some bearings. At that point the engine just eats away at itself until it lets go. Every failure I have seen has been on a manual trans car as well. That could just be coincidence though.
I think this is the biggest misunderstanding about the whole RTV controversy. The oil pickup tube can grab oil from all sides of the surface area. You would need a substantial amount of RTV in that tube to cause a major blockage. All the research is pointing to *how* the oil is picked up, and not the mechanism that it flows through.
@@nickalbenga9750 Absolutely true. There have been blown engines that coincidentally had RTV in the pickup tube, because they ALL do. But that is not the CAUSE of the failure ever. If I had a heart attack and died and the autopsy showed I had cancer, did I die from cancer..? Nope
We had other plans - She is now Supercharged with all the Stock Exhaust parts up front and we needed that for testing - she still is making 360 HP with all the OEM cats
You cleaned the oil pan only, but the RTV issue is on every part that requires a gasket (other than a head gasket), and there is a lot of it, a lot more than on the oil pan. And the bad news is that it is in parts of the engine that have nothing to do with the oil pickup (on the other side of it) or the oil pan. There are a few videos on youtube where they tear down one of these engines, and RTV is everywhere in the engine heads, cam chain cover, etc. Valve covers, timing chain cover, etc., etc. People keep wishing this is not a big issue, but they are in for a very rude awakening when it clogs up an oil passage way for a main, rod or cam bearing and destroys the engine. It make take thousands of miles and even years before it happens, but the probability is high that it will eventually clog up oil passageways.
I am surprised that Toyota/Subaru haven’t gotten collectively sued for this. If I was a lawyer, I would have taken this case 😅. Consumer rights must cover this, I am sure. Any lawyers out there to educate us on this matter?
Wonder why its only the fa24s or if the fa24dit is also affected. I have an fb20 made in 2023 and was curious so i stuck a snake light/camera thing in the oil drain plug one service and inside ive got no excess rtv at all.
Since the block is aluminum, you should be using a material softer than that. Plastic razor blades are a good place to start. You can use brass brushes, though they can still technically gouge aluminum. Check out plastic bristle discs for the fastest and safest ways. A lot of pros will use a real razor blade, you just have to be super careful not to gouge the metal.
@@86SpeedThat response doesn't make any sense. What, you checked once at 2,000 miles & it wasn't so bad, so... never gonna check it again? 🤣 It's OK to say you don't know how often it should be done exactly, because honestly nobody really knows that. There are just too many factors to consider. But until there is a method to prevent the RT from collecting in the pickup, I think it's fair to say "Just Once" is not the total number of times you should check it, lol. Also you didn't answer what year the car was - though maybe the user edited to ask that after you already answered. Not sure if you said specifically in the video, but from the context of other comments you made it sounded like it's a 2023, or maybe a 2022.
@@edwardmclean5373 Hello, The answer is actually only once, once you check it and fix it at the same time. Since the pan was removed we cleaned the RTV that was excessively installed (fixing the cause of the problem) Once we seal the pan back up with the proper method and the correct amount the RTV issue is solved and there should be no reason to ever pull the pan again. This is a January 2022 car , so a very early production. Hope that explains the solution that fixed the RTV from even existing in the oil pan ever again.
This is a non-issue and you're boosting it for clicks. You pulled one skinny noodle of rtv from your pickup and want us to freak out about our own engines and buy product. 😂 Naw, I'm good. 2022 and nothing.
Keep telling yourself that but I doubt you convinced anyone who actually knows engines. It is definitely a big problem that most do not understand. Good luck with yours.
@@jimihendrix8535 There is no proof that engines are blowing up due to RTV. A lot of TH-cam videos show some very small traces of RTV on an oil pickup tube but NO ONE have proof of a blown FA24 due to RTV in the pickup tube. In fact FA24s in the cup car series are holding up nice.
@@erniejoel1234 Everything you wrote is incorrect. The cup series have had three engines blow up prematurely and the RTV is not just in the pickup tube. Do a search on youtube and you will find a video where they tear down one of these engines and the RTV is everywhere in the engine-- not a small trace and not just in the oil pan. You don't understand engines if you think the only place the RTV can clog up the oil system is in the pickup tube. There are oil passageways to each main bearing, rod bearing, cam bearing and a lot of other places that can get clogged with RTV.
@@Zaratium oh well i cant trust forums i have a 2023 gr86 i waited for toyota and subaru to fix the rtv issue and they did. They updated the oil pick up tube and i track my gr86 and i have no issues.
I agree. If I knew they fixed it for 2025, I would buy a 2025. But my bet is they will keep churning these out with a motor full of RTV that looks like a kindergartener put on. All of these videos act like it is just an oil pan issue with too much RTV. That is incorrect. The RTV is used on every item that bolts onto the block (other than the head gasket) and it is everywhere in the engine. A lot of it never makes it to the oil pan. There is a video on TH-cam where they tear down one of these engines and it is nasty.
Yea - Everyone we have seen has had it, its a common issue as we mentioned. But I am sure there are some owners out there that are just finding out. Hope this video helps someone save a FA24
Yep. A robot puts globs of RTV on every part that gets bolted to the block. The excess RTV is everywhere in the engine -- not just the oil pan. And it is in every one of them.
because retarded subaru thats why ... but its just a disgrace for toyota to let this issue be ongoing for years without them taking care of it by slapping subaru across face.
Gaskets work fine and do not need to be replaced and they do not leak (especially when gasket sealer is used with them). The problem is that Subaru is using a robot to apply that RTV and the robot does a lousy job. Subaru needs to dump the robot.
Subaru and Toyota should be doing this job for free as a recall for all owners because this is sort of a manufacturing error.
That would be a costly undertaking on a issue that cannot be defined as a detriment to the engine therefore a recall would be ridiculous from a companies standpoint. Yes I have a 23 brz.
Also when redone. Don’t use too much sealant a second time
@@krispress7824 doesnt matter... the rtv is not just on the oil pan bot in the whole engine.. all the engine parts.
They made the flange too thin and gave it a weird little recessed lip. Not sure why they designed it that way. Luckily, this engine didn't have a concerning amount of RTV in the pickup.
This was build on a Wednesday -- HAHA
I was going to buy a 2024 GR86, but scared away due to this RTV issue. I don't plan on tracking it, but it is a car I would of used as a daily and hope to keep it for a decade. With the RTV issue I worry about the reliability and longevity especially with how subaru is getting a bad rap with class action law suites against them for electronics and other things. I did today ask the sales manager the local "stealership" who has 2 GR86's coming in (so basically need to put a deposit down to lock them in) if the RTV issue was fixed on the 2024 models. His response was "we have not heard anything from Toyota regarding this issue for 2023 or 2024. Unless its big enough where Toyota will have a recall, I am not really sure what this issue is and how many cars are impacted." The GR86 checks all the boxes for me, but I can't move forward taking my hard earned cash and putting it into this since I feel Subaru has been making engines for a long time and this sounds like a simple fix to me - and the fact they are keeping everyone in the dark tells me they are not doing anything to fix the problem. The cars are 34k msrp where I live, vs 29k msrp. Just way to much to buy for something that may turn into a headache down the road. Really appreciate posting this video and educating folks on this. WRX and GR86 are great cars, but when I think of Subaru I don't think "reliability". I owned a 1998 Subara Imprezza 2.5RS. I bought it new and 4k miles after ownership, the engine had to be rebuilt due to some defect. At 26k miles, the drive-shaft fell off when driving down the highway. I avoided Subaru's ever since that experience but was willing to give them a 2nd chance with the GR86, but the red flags still in 2024 with this RTV issue tells me Subaru hasn't changed much since 1998. I have no idea why Reliability is not applied to making a vehicle to build loyal folks especially with how crazy expensive cars are these days - we need it to last for many many years.
Had a forester and man that thing consumed a quart of oil with each gas fill. Mechanic just strait up told me it would need a full rebuild to stop oil consumption or get a different car. It was much cheaper to get a different car.
Shame because porsche doesnt have these kinds of issues(except in one engine). So you would think that Subaru would learn from the only other major boxer enginer manufacturer and get their engines to run problem free.
Heck, porsche even makes their engine's easy to repair by designing the car's frane with rhe engine in mind and vise-versa. A Subaru sports car, really, is a problematic Porsche without any if the porsche performance. A.K.A. a subaru 😂
I have been tracking this "issue" from day. I have compiled all the data from every internet source you can imagine that relates to the BRZ\86. After extensive research my results show a shocking number of vehicles impacted by RTV. How shocking is that number? VERY. What is the EXACT number of vehicles that have had damage caused by RTV....?
ZERO. EXACTLY ZERO.
Great info - I could believe it.
@@Ironheade21 The same oil starvation issues that have plagued every subaru boxer engine in history. Poor oil drainage from the heads back to the pan along with no baffles and poor pickup placement. You see it more in BRZ\86 and WRX\STI because those are the only ones driven hard enough to make it more pronounced. Along with the fact that many of the owners with cars that blew up admitted to having a money shift. Sometimes that blows the motor instantly and sometimes it jars the rotating assembly just enough to chew up some bearings. At that point the engine just eats away at itself until it lets go. Every failure I have seen has been on a manual trans car as well. That could just be coincidence though.
I think this is the biggest misunderstanding about the whole RTV controversy. The oil pickup tube can grab oil from all sides of the surface area. You would need a substantial amount of RTV in that tube to cause a major blockage. All the research is pointing to *how* the oil is picked up, and not the mechanism that it flows through.
@@nickalbenga9750 Absolutely true. There have been blown engines that coincidentally had RTV in the pickup tube, because they ALL do. But that is not the CAUSE of the failure ever.
If I had a heart attack and died and the autopsy showed I had cancer, did I die from cancer..? Nope
So the overall cause is oil starvation?
Thanks for the update.
You are welcome
you should install tomei headers while you're at it. full tomei exhaust system.
We had other plans - She is now Supercharged with all the Stock Exhaust parts up front and we needed that for testing - she still is making 360 HP with all the OEM cats
You cleaned the oil pan only, but the RTV issue is on every part that requires a gasket (other than a head gasket), and there is a lot of it, a lot more than on the oil pan. And the bad news is that it is in parts of the engine that have nothing to do with the oil pickup (on the other side of it) or the oil pan. There are a few videos on youtube where they tear down one of these engines, and RTV is everywhere in the engine heads, cam chain cover, etc. Valve covers, timing chain cover, etc., etc. People keep wishing this is not a big issue, but they are in for a very rude awakening when it clogs up an oil passage way for a main, rod or cam bearing and destroys the engine. It make take thousands of miles and even years before it happens, but the probability is high that it will eventually clog up oil passageways.
Why around the bolt towards the outside and not the inside so oil doesn't get into the threads?
Because these guys are youtubers not engineers XD
People need to report this to NHTSA if this happens to them.
FIPG Black (ThreeBond 1207B) > ThreeBond 1217G/H
I am surprised that Toyota/Subaru haven’t gotten collectively sued for this. If I was a lawyer, I would have taken this case 😅. Consumer rights must cover this, I am sure.
Any lawyers out there to educate us on this matter?
They haven’t been because it’s a non issue, the pick up was designed in a manner that I can still handle getting some RTV in the tube.
Wonder why its only the fa24s or if the fa24dit is also affected. I have an fb20 made in 2023 and was curious so i stuck a snake light/camera thing in the oil drain plug one service and inside ive got no excess rtv at all.
Great video and explanation!
yeah wire brush drill great idea to remove it...........
What would be a better way?
i dont understand why they didnt issue a recall for this.
Unrelated, did you paint, wrap, or dip that purple rear diffusor? Mine's silver and I really need it gloss black to match the rest of the aero.
Wrapped
Is this only an issues with 22 models? Did they fix it with newer model years? I thought this video would be more informative.
nope still is, theirs a reason toyotas putting a different engine in.
Put a real gasket on the engine/pan and do it right.
Y la garantía de fabrica,se pierde??
just take the springs off, that’s what i did when i had tomei
What kind wirebrush should I use when cleaning off the rtv from the engine?
Since the block is aluminum, you should be using a material softer than that. Plastic razor blades are a good place to start. You can use brass brushes, though they can still technically gouge aluminum. Check out plastic bristle discs for the fastest and safest ways. A lot of pros will use a real razor blade, you just have to be super careful not to gouge the metal.
@@802Garage Great answer
NEVER use a wire wheel to do that. Your just flinging rtv everywhere inside there
How often does this needs to be done?
What yr is the car?
only once
@@86SpeedThat response doesn't make any sense. What, you checked once at 2,000 miles & it wasn't so bad, so... never gonna check it again? 🤣
It's OK to say you don't know how often it should be done exactly, because honestly nobody really knows that. There are just too many factors to consider. But until there is a method to prevent the RT from collecting in the pickup, I think it's fair to say "Just Once" is not the total number of times you should check it, lol.
Also you didn't answer what year the car was - though maybe the user edited to ask that after you already answered. Not sure if you said specifically in the video, but from the context of other comments you made it sounded like it's a 2023, or maybe a 2022.
@@edwardmclean5373 Hello, The answer is actually only once, once you check it and fix it at the same time. Since the pan was removed we cleaned the RTV that was excessively installed (fixing the cause of the problem) Once we seal the pan back up with the proper method and the correct amount the RTV issue is solved and there should be no reason to ever pull the pan again. This is a January 2022 car , so a very early production. Hope that explains the solution that fixed the RTV from even existing in the oil pan ever again.
@86Speed team is really professional. Salute
This is a non-issue and you're boosting it for clicks. You pulled one skinny noodle of rtv from your pickup and want us to freak out about our own engines and buy product. 😂 Naw, I'm good. 2022 and nothing.
Keep telling yourself that but I doubt you convinced anyone who actually knows engines. It is definitely a big problem that most do not understand. Good luck with yours.
@@jimihendrix8535 There is no proof that engines are blowing up due to RTV. A lot of TH-cam videos show some very small traces of RTV on an oil pickup tube but NO ONE have proof of a blown FA24 due to RTV in the pickup tube. In fact FA24s in the cup car series are holding up nice.
@@erniejoel1234 Everything you wrote is incorrect. The cup series have had three engines blow up prematurely and the RTV is not just in the pickup tube. Do a search on youtube and you will find a video where they tear down one of these engines and the RTV is everywhere in the engine-- not a small trace and not just in the oil pan. You don't understand engines if you think the only place the RTV can clog up the oil system is in the pickup tube. There are oil passageways to each main bearing, rod bearing, cam bearing and a lot of other places that can get clogged with RTV.
2023 brz / gr86 toyota and subaru fixed the rtv issue.
Actually?
really? I saw some 2023 gr86 on forums sharing similar rtv issues
@@Zaratium oh well i cant trust forums i have a 2023 gr86 i waited for toyota and subaru to fix the rtv issue and they did. They updated the oil pick up tube and i track my gr86 and i have no issues.
proof?
@@rx0102 proof
Nice job Toyota and Subaru! I will never consider buying this car.
Sounds like a personal problem. - EXCELLENT cars. - But... you? do you.
@@aesir0784 doesnt seem like an excellent car to me.
I agree. If I knew they fixed it for 2025, I would buy a 2025. But my bet is they will keep churning these out with a motor full of RTV that looks like a kindergartener put on. All of these videos act like it is just an oil pan issue with too much RTV. That is incorrect. The RTV is used on every item that bolts onto the block (other than the head gasket) and it is everywhere in the engine. A lot of it never makes it to the oil pan. There is a video on TH-cam where they tear down one of these engines and it is nasty.
Every second gen has it lol
Yea - Everyone we have seen has had it, its a common issue as we mentioned. But I am sure there are some owners out there that are just finding out. Hope this video helps someone save a FA24
Yep. A robot puts globs of RTV on every part that gets bolted to the block. The excess RTV is everywhere in the engine -- not just the oil pan. And it is in every one of them.
What I don't get is, why aren't they just assembling with a REAL seal? why use RTV???
because retarded subaru thats why ... but its just a disgrace for toyota to let this issue be ongoing for years without them taking care of it by slapping subaru across face.
We should use simple gasket (you can cut it at home) instead RTV... ...why cares if there's a drop-two of oil. What do you think?
Same thought. Why not a gasket that should be replaced regularly, say every 3 years ?
Gaskets work fine and do not need to be replaced and they do not leak (especially when gasket sealer is used with them). The problem is that Subaru is using a robot to apply that RTV and the robot does a lousy job. Subaru needs to dump the robot.