How the Cross Changed History | Tom Holland
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- Tom discusses the ways Christianity and specifically the cross has overturned historical norms and expectations. From toppling the Roman's symbol of power to evoking hope across the world, the cross has transformed history.
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Tom Holland is an award-winning historian, author and broadcaster. He is the author of many award-winning books on topics ranging from Ancient Rome and the Persian Empire to the origins of the Islamic faith. Despite his non-belief, Holland’s most recent book, Dominion, is a sweeping account of the impact of Christianity on foundational Western institutions, constitutional norms, morality and social outlooks. It is one of the most compelling histories of Christendom yet written.
Tom Holland served two years as the Chair of the Society of Authors and is Chair of the British Library’s PLR Advisory Committee. Holland is the presenter of BBC Radio 4’s Making History. He has written and presented a number of TV documentaries, for the BBC and Channel 4, on subjects ranging from ISIS to dinosaurs. He is also the host of a widely popular history podcast called The Rest Is History.
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Interestingly Tom describes almost verbatim the crushing that occurs during abortion - where the weakest of the weak are indeed crushed under the heel of progressive.......... health care ? Women's rights etc ect..
Fauci ruled the world for a short time. Health care isn't the mechanism so much as the vector - "we care for you, it's for your own good. Obey!".
If people could get real heath care when the need it for real conditions that would help real people. Strangely enough the health cartels are busy with anything but real conditions.
Democrats are pro-life after birth, Republicans are only pro-life before birth.
Wow. I never thought of the Cross in this way. I am completely and utterly overwhelmed by the beauty of this interpretation.
And I am overwhelmed by the cross-sectionality of fascism/nazi ism and the ANTI-Cross relevance.
there is no world without mistery in any galaxy
I like this comment. After all the Jews secured us the word of God , the gentile nations accepted the Messiah of us all. God himself has told us there is not one righteous,we have ALL fallen short and found wanting. We must all through ourselves at God’s mercy and beg for forgiveness and continue with our lives depending on the grace of Jeshua. There are no men either in the past,present or future. Jesus alone holds all things in the palm of his hand ❤
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That last bit at the end, “40% of Australians think the resurrection happened” is hard for me to believe. I literally don’t have any friends that believe that.
@@markwitcombe2119 well, we pick our own friends, I’m sure people who go to church have a lot of friends who believe that.
My point is that hardly anyone I know does believe that, it seems wrong to me.
I have a Serbian employee who is Christian. My dad has an employee who’s Christian.
My grandma would probably say she believes that it happened. So I’m not saying I don’t know if any Christians, just that surely out of the 20 or so people I might consider friends, the fact that none believe that makes me wonder about 40%. Certainly it’s way less than 40% of people I know.
@@markwitcombe2119 that’s fair. I went to a Christian school so I knew a lot of Christians at school. Sometimes I wish I was a Christian. It’s kind of like being Jewish (if I was) because you are a member of a club in a way. I think it’s good for your mental health. Especially because of modern society where we live with people walking past us all the time but they are all strangers. Not like living in a village 200 years ago.
Anyway, good luck with your future 👍
@@chrisc2671 Why not consider Christianity?
Some good books I could recommend:
"The Case For Christ" by Lee Strobel
" I don't have enough faith to be an Atheist" by Frank Turek
"More than a Carpenter" by Josh McDowell , also "Evidence Demands a Verdict."
You also can't go wrong with reading the Bible. (Genesis, The Gospel of John, Acts, Romans, and Ephesians would all be books I'd recommend to you)
@@BonusHole you you asking me why Christianity is so well known or why Jesus himself was so well known after his death?
Jesus was not famous inside the Roman Empire until the Christian religion spread. Eventually it spread all over the empire and emperor Constantine, who was a general based in Britain became Christian and won a civil war. That’s when the Roman Empire had its first Christian emperor. He tried very hard to get the story straight and convened a lot of councils to try and standardise the religious teachings. His successor put a lot of effort into “Christianising” the empire. Eventually it was the main religion of the Romans.
After the western Roman Empire collapsed all of the leaders of the Germanic kingdoms that emerged like the king of the Franks etc fashioned themselves as successors to the Roman emperors and it was a source of their legitimacy. The Roman Catholic Church ordained them basically.
These successors states eventually colonised much of the world, bringing their religion with them. That’s why the America’s, much of Africa, the Philippines, Australia etc are mostly Christian and it’s the largest region still.
Nothing to do with wether Jesus really existed or wether he really came back from the dead.
Do you think Mohammed was a real person? If he was, was he a messenger of god? Or was he a real person but made all that stuff up? Whatever the truth is doesn’t matter, he’s famous now. All Muslims believe he existed.
Remember, I’m pretty sure the quotes about Jesus were written down about 30 years after he died. Imagine being alive in those days. So many superstitions. It’s not like now, people were less skeptical about the claims that someone could walk on water etc.
I mean, even today people claim things about themselves like being alive for hundreds of years etc. doesn’t mean it’s true.
@@chrisc2671 You say a lot but it means nothing.
Why is Jesus the most famous person to have ever lived?
You rightly note that He was not famous at all when He died.
Why is He now the most famous person to have ever lived?
Use less words. Get to the point.
Very interesting, that's the picture I had formed of Nietzsche previously, not having read any of his writing. I'm just so surprised that Jordan Peterson seems to praise him.
If you think Peterson is praising Nietzsche you have not been listening.
@@Steelblaidd Eh?
there are parts of Nietzsche's work that he will raise up, but Peterson Praises Carl Jung far more.
JP 'praise' Nietzsche for clearly articulating the destructive implications of the death of God. Pop atheism romanticizes God's death, and Nietzsche mocks this blind atheism. JP agrees with Nietzsche but also disagrees with his position on the value of faith. JP values faith. Nietzsche doesn't.
sunrise warm is misterious..
Will come back to listen but yes. 100% Thank G-d. After all the pain it's time for gain.)
God.
I often wonder, in what sense is fascism a "right wing" ideology?
Holland provides the best answer I have seen yet. Nietzsche holds in contempt the elevation of the weak. Fascists embrace that contempt (though they did promote a lot of victimhood.) Conservatives, while often championing the weak, don't venerate them.
Fascism is misused by the left to equate any non-left person with an opinion as a fascist nazi. Completely middle of the road people get tarred with it - not fond of abortion "fascist!".
A genuine fascist ruler/state can be of any political bent but far more likely to be of the left (suppression of speech/thought being their goto).
Fascism is a far left ideology, founded by a socialist, it is collectivist, anti-capitalist and anti-Christian.
The powerless win, because God is on the side of the powerless, both because God is love, and because he insists all power be subordinated to him.
But I don't agree that Christianity naturally results in the complete desacralization of the world. For that, I'd blame a power play by the proponents of modernism to overthrow the influence of Christianity.
so this is the nice lost last towk on a seventh stage
Make the Blond Beast Great Again!
The Cross represents the completion of Duality. Negative Positive /Positive Negative. - + / + - ...
The Resurrection HAPPENED. And Jesus is attending to every word and deed of every person as we speak. Repent and believe in Jesus Christ of Nazareth the Son of God and receive eternal life. Read, " The Case for Christ" by Lee Strobel and read The Gospel According to Matthew.
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It's the bund on horizontal, until people, and on the verticality of a human-orthoped- and the same verticality with God, the God of mercy, the God of glory on earth like in heaven, the God under us...
humil Corina
It has nothing to do with signifying slaves triumphing over the master
It's more about serving
than about ruling but
of course they come together
@@bumpercoach Nope, not that either, amigo.
The romans did not crucify people on a cross, it was an X. Having the victim's arms up would cause the diaphragm to become exhausted over many hours and the death would be slow and agonizing. It wasn't depicted as a cross until the 1400s. I'm not sure why it was changed but you can se it as an X in paintings that predate that time.
Somebody misinformed you. This is simply not true. You can easily look up Byzantine icons. Or famous Crucifix of Pisa dated 1230.
@@pawelpap9 no, no one misinformed me but I am guessing at the date. I have seen the paintings of Jesus crucified on an X in Italy, up to a certain time, then it changes to a cross. The Romans did use an X.
@@barkingpumpkin5693 I stand by my statement. I don’t know what you’ve seen in Italy, but you can easily look up Byzantine paintings that go way back in time. It is likely though that crosses used by Romans had a shape of T letter. The earliest graphical depiction of cross is Alexamenos graffito dated AD 80.
Saint Andrew was an a ,,x" cross...
St Peter was on a reversed cross. It's still the same win over darkness.
Totally wrong.
The original Christian cross symbol was the anchor and dolphin (fish) symbol, which was also the emblem of their patron - Emperor Vespasian. Only in later centuries did they chop off the bottom of the anchor, and turn it into a cross.
See book “Jesus, King of Edessa”.
Ralph
The only reason that Christianity is of any value is that it carries with it the wisdom of the Jews. The Torah.
Brian Heacock: I think you may be oversimplifying the situation?
Yes, the New Testament cannot stand without the Old, the Tanach is its necessary context. The fulfillment by Yeshua of the OT Messianic prophecies is essential. However if it's just that, how do you explain Christianity's vast success? After all, more than a quarter of the world population, found in practically every nation and language, claim to worship a carpenter born 2,000 years ago in the tiny town of Nazareth. Besides, I think the prologue of John's Gospel trumps any part of the OT for wisdom. It's my favorite part of the Bible with Isaiah 53! I'm reading books by Chaim Potok, I love his writing, but sadly I see very little wisdom and true spirituality in his characters, but a lot of adherence to rules, often mindless rules, and a worship of Torah, without neither a real understanding of it nor a personal relationship with God, which in my Christian view is closer to paganism and idol worshipping, even though it has a strange appeal to me, which must come from the "sitra achra". There's a way in which it's easier to worship God by following a set of rules than in the freedom of redeeming Grace.
Christ's death and resurrection proved that resurrection and eternal life are real. The Pharasees, great uohders of the Torah, preached that there was no hope of resurrection, that there was no place in Heaven for Man. Christ proved them wrong.
@@robertseavor4304 Actually, the Pharisees were the Jewish equivalent of Protestant Evangelicals. It was the Saducees who denied the resurrection (that’s why they were sad, you see?! 😋) Simonline 🇬🇧🤔😀👍
@@robertseavor4304 Jesus proved nothing, it's just another story.
It's the Sadducees that didn't believe in an afterlife. The Pharisees did believe in an afterlife but taught that it was mans role to improve this world.
Jesus said to do what the Pharisees teach, for they sit in the seat of Moses. Matt 23:3