We Brits are Christian, muslims are very privileged, their religion has been tolerated, and should be grateful, for our allowing them to practice their un Christian culture, kings in the past centuries would not have allowed them on the soil of England, Scotland Wales or Ireland. The peoples would have risen up in revolution.
But I bet Calvin will have a fit if blacks weren't allowed. Why do conservatives put blacks or nonwhites as their spokesperson to show they aren't racist.
@@Threemore650 Something I have to say David might muse upon when he comes out with responses like "You are so ignorant." I do respect the man but, that is exceedingly rude.
@@indubitablymydearwatson I think he lost the accent, but the northern bluntness remained. His intellectual input qualifies him for at least three ad hominems per debate.
Devil's Advocate: Keep it Islamic, other religions have their own place,the Coronation should not be mixed liked a cocktail. Keep it Jewish, other religions have their own place,the Coronation should not be mixed liked a cocktail. Keep it Buddhist ,other religions have their own place,the Coronation should not be mixed liked a cocktail. See the problem?
@@Threemore650 his point is he is abdool and does not understand Christianity, he probably wants to say the first books are not Christian but Jewish and belong to current day Judaism. Which would be a wrong assumption because current day Judaism is mainly a reaction to Christianity. One could easily argue that Christianity is the true Spiritual heir of Abraham, Jews being his bodily heirs and abdools being some-kind of weird mutation.
@@universalflamethrower6342 Their ancestors were Christian and pagan. The first pages chronologically sound a lot like Christian hymns. I guess they needed something more _them_ . Maybe yet another Abrahamic faith will appear. Or one that says it’s that anyway. I mean theoretically you could just say it is…Who knows the truth? No one! That’s why it’s called belief. I find the Old Testament quite un jesussy and therefore not my bit of the Bible. But there’s some good stories. Jesus was literally year zero. The Israelites are funny though… moaning about manna - - lost in a desert the size of a hanky for how long!?
The King, as defender of the faith, should be defending THE faith, not contributing to its downfall and destruction! We are a Christian nation, our values and laws are based on Christian values. Others who choose to live here should respect that and if they don't wish to respect our culture, traditions and religion they should perhaps not be living here. Why does the service have to be inclusive, can we not proudly declare our British values without having to diminish them to accommodate others who certainly would not return the favour in any way, shape or form?
@@aaronfire359 Of course it is Not! HRH Charles has put-up with a lot of snarkiness since the day he was born. He is a great man, a genius (he and his father) who foresaw the future regarding our environment.
no monarch of england ever defended my christian faith, nor will any destroy it. such little faith as i have i got from Chrit Himself in one on one relationship, as the bible says. whoever squats in his or her unlawful palce as head of the churc or FD is utterly irrelevant
The world famous french literary giant Victor Hugo said; England has two books.Shakespeare and the Bible. England made Shakespeare but the Bible made England.
This king must keep faith with the oath to protect the sovereignty of the people under the constitutional monarchy ! I don’t trust him to give his oath !
@@geoffas I would say “….. can be a sign of intelligence”. I think there exist different reasons for having “thick skin” for different people, some for bad or evil reasons. In the present case, I certainly agree it’s intelligence.
I thought for the last centuary & a half we had spent billions education our population ? Seems to me that our teaching profession has done a very poor job !
@@dickyt1318 Yep, I gave up an academic career when they forced a passing quota on me! Remember the time when each kid got a medal: win or lose, they went home with a medal? Some expensive medals they were! Re-inventing the wheel is fine but must they be square?LOLOL 🙂
The death of Christianity in it's fullness in England began with it's Protestant revolution. They murdered, persecuted, and stole. They deprived themselves of Apostolic Succession; the Rock of Peter gave it and the Rock of Peter took it away. Although the Catholic Church survived underground and today is the largest group of practicing religionists in England, including a mutitude of Anglican converts (including Anglican "bishops" and "priests").
What an absolute educator, we have in David Starkey. Thank you GB news for giving us, this wonderful historian to listen and learn from. It's Absolutely priceless, the knowledge, this man gives us. He should be, the Monarchs Advisor.
He wouldn't be very helpful in advising the king in how to hold together a union already frayed at the edges seeing as how ge denigrates Scottish national identity, regarding the Scottish nationalists as being akin to Nazis. His view of Irish nationalists as inherently violent compared to genteel English nationalists won't serve to promote an intercommunity relationship in Ireland which might help keep that country's six North Eastern counties in a union with Great Britain longer than a decade or two. The King knows far better how to reach out to all his British subjects in a respectful manner which will be reciprocated despite the naysayers. No King has longer or better prepared himself to take on the office of Kingship, a preparation enriched enormously by the living example of his mother, father and grabdmothers.
We haven't had a monarch yet who truely places the interests of the People alongside themself, Charle's bunch came to the thrown as penniless european aristo's so how did they get so megga rich in three hundred years? why stealing from the Treasury and manipulating Parliament that's how!
The anointing of a king belongs to the Old Covenant, not New Covenant - which only contains the anointing of the sick. (And Christ`s body for burial, MARK 18: 4) And no temporal rulers in spiritual matters…JAMES 5: 14 “Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord.”
But I bet Calvin will have a fit if blacks weren't allowed. Why do conservatives put blacks or nonwhites as their spokesperson to show they aren't racist.
Australia...populated with rejects convicts of Britain to invade decimate native population Nonsense. An atheist promoting religious meaningless to an atheist ceremony. Hypocrisy.
@@harley8680 I'm always amazed at how the Brits always mention Australia as a penal colony but never mention far more convicts went to America. Whole States like Alabama and South Carolina etc were populated by ''convicts''. The English only started sending them to Australia from 1788-1845 because they lost the American colony.
Yes it was good old fashioned debate, maybe disagree on a few issues, then shake hands after. Not like the leftist cancel culture type debate where if someone disagrees with U then U try and end their career
I am so tired of hearing how "this is Charles' coronation". I beg to differ. It is the country's coronation. Charles is here to serve the nations, we are not here to serve Charles. I believe Charles understands this, I don't believe the press does.
I no longer recognise my country and I no longer support the monarchy. It’s like my whole identity has changed. The British people need to wake up and kick back against this attack on our culture.
As an American, I have always been interested in royal history. Listening to Dr. Starkey makes me realize how much I don't know. Thank you for great interview Calvin. Always appreciate David Starkey's contributions.
Monarchs through the ages along with vested interests have done a pretty good job hiding the truth that the Monarch is merely first among equals and its the People who are truely sovereign and hold all of the power vested in us through the Magna Carta
@@mattsmith87 Exactly. Certain people resist change. Once change happens, there same people are the ones who are the strongest upholders of change. As an example, men and women are now called Marines, and die hards insist on it. These same people used to call women Female Marines or FMs and before that Marinettes.
Right as usual Dr Starkey. Other religions have no place at our Coronation. And it is our (the British people's) Coronation. King Charles the Woke is just the one we choose to Crown. It is not his Coronation.
Our ancestors did. In 1701 and 1707 the Acts of Settlement and Union. Effectively choosing, from 1714 onwards the descendants of Charles I's sister, Elizabeth of Bohemia and not the descendants of Charles I.
The world famous french literary giant Victor Hugo said; England has two books.Shakespeare and the Bible. England made Shakespeare but the Bible made England.
I have never been a fan of Charles . And had respect for his mother . But, he has really put me off the Monarchy and damaging the hard work of his mother . I’ve NEVER heard of Muslims inviting Christian leaders to preach the gospel in the mosques. Nor have I heard of Christian congregations inviting Muslims to preach/pray in churches..
The king doesn’t understand the difference between Christianity and all other religions. Nor does he understand what it means to be defender of the faith or head of the Church of England. The history of how the Church of England came into existence is not complimentary to either the monarchy or the Church of England.
@@nevaannegrant453 what do you mean? Are you saying this from a roman catholic perspective? If you want to do catholicism- go see the pope. This is the protestant church of England.
No!,,,,But Muslims were invited into a church not long ago…and I for one do not want Muslims preying and taking a service in my country…Its bad enough they are taking everything else over in this country…I am sick of seeing it …And still they come weekly in their hundreds…..
Couldn't agree more - it would be a traversty if Charles insists on including other faiths - totally WRONG and he would NOT BE MY KING if this is his intention.
Dr David Starkey should be advising KCIII. At the moment he is getting very bad advice from woke individuals, including the archbishop of Canterbury. Calvin is the perfect interviewer, with no shouting over his guest. Piers Morgan, watch and learn. If KC had invited leaders of non Christian faiths to participate, I would have left the C of E, as I am sure would many others. Wonderful broadcast, thank-you gentlemen.
Charles told EVERYONE he was going to say “defender of faiths” decades ago. Why would people not have advised him about this over these many years? They have obviously discussed it. They have had plenty of time to do it!
I also believe in the importance of 'ceremony'. Poet John Betjeman used to refer to Anglican ceremony as 'all the inessentials of religion' and he loved these inessentials dearly. I hope the Church stands firm and refuses to modernise the coronation service, but I'm not holding my breath.
Queen Victoria's coronation service lasted 5 hours. The late Queen Elizabeth's took 3 hours. Charles and Camilla's coronation (a double one) is predicted to take an hour and a half which surely means that there will be little ceremony left.
@@MrBulky992 in those previous Coronations a lot of time was taken up by all the Lords coming forward to pledge allegiance to their Liege Lord. They won't all be doing that this time. Probably because it's best we don't realise just how many of them there actually are!
@@Anna_Key Well, that did not happen in 1953 - all the lords did not come forward to pledge allegiance individually: there are hundreds of them and many peers were not even present at the 1953 Coronation because attendance was decided by lottery. The numbers are irrelevant in any case because those who were present swore their allegiance as large groups rather than individually with only one representative of each group coming forward each time. The whole thing only took 12 minutes out of a coronation which went on for 3 hours. Here is how it went: 1. The assembled bishops in unison led by the Archbishop of Canterbury 2. The Duke of Edinburgh individually 3. The Duke of Gloucester individually 4. The Duke of Kent individually 5. The non-royal Dukes in unison, led by the Duke of Norfolk 6. The Marquesses in unison, led by the Marquess of Huntly 7. The Earls in unison, led by the Earl of Shrewsbury 8. The Viscounts in unison, led by Viscount Arbuthnot 9. The Barons in unison, led by the Lord Mowbray That's a total of 9 recitations of the pledge of homage, each taking just over a minute and negligible in the grand scheme of things.
I wonder if our Mr Starkey realizes how christian he is. And please no comments about his personal life, I would say he abides by the christian faith in many ways. Excellent interview Calvin.
He behaves 'similar' to a Christian because he grew up in a Christian environment. You can't reject the divine sovereignty of Jesus and be a Christian. He's just a product of environment.
I would have loved him as a history teacher, he is so interesting g to listen to isn’t he. These younger ones all for punishing us for what has passed should listen to him and learn some history of the country they live in
Yes. He is a WEF man and the WEF are trying to push for a one world religion. Some sort of mix of all faiths. Hence the push to include other faiths in the service.
@@margaretsmith2351 exactly my thoughts when I first heard of his desire to make the oath all inclusive. The Queen supported other faiths and the Commonwealth and Charles could do likewise, altering the Oath alters our status as a Christian Country and people will not recognise him if he does this and will move to abolish the monarchy and become a republic. We are a Christian Country and it’s about time we started being proud of that fact and of our heritage. (I am not racist and believe all people have the right to practice their religion or belief, or none as long is it does no harm to others and expect people to accept my right to be a practicing Christian in a Christian country). If people object to the U.K. being a Christian country then they are free to leave and take up residence in a country more in line with their particular faith.
Hello Dr.Starkey! Welcome Sir! You make my heart sing with your knowledge and truth! Calvin we love you too for sharing your program with this genius!😊❤❤For you Dr.Starkey!❤❤❤
I am a confirmed member of the Church of England. If prayers are said from other religions that do not encompass the Christian faith that's it, that will be the end of my association with the CofE.
Recently I was privileged enough to visit St. Martin's Church in Canterbury which is 1,400 years old, and on entering I couldn't help but get teary eyed when I thought of all those great Knights/Soldiers, Kings & Queens who laid down their lives in service to God & Country. Their legacy now set to be erased from History.
Up until the 1980's anyone who went to school got their dose of Christian values as every assembly was like a church service , so even if you had never been to church you still grew up Christian without even realising it . This is a Christian country and if king Charles is going to stand for anything then he should be as defender of the faith sticking by the church and nothing else . And all other religions should pay homage to him for allowing them to keep their beliefs and flourish in our country .
This is not the middle ages. We are not second class citizens as Christianity and Islam treated none believers. Christianity is not the only religion. There are over 4000 religions.
@@emilywyatt9340 no we are not in the middle ages but tradition is what culture is built on . And this is our British cultural tradition as Britain is a Christian country wether you and the 4000 other religions like it or not .
@@DS9TREK It is the abadondment of faith that has eroded the sense of nationhood we used to have. Athiest are to blame for national decline as much as anyone
@@DS9TREKYou come back to this post when all the christians are gone and you get the evil you want and remember that someone stopped to ask you if you would come to Christ, find him before it's too late. I love you and so does God
@@ianburns6218 No it's this useless Government Brexit and people like yourself that that thing Great Britain is still some superior country it used to be bit isn't any longer
Hardly anyone who claims to be C of E even goes to church and many that say they are C of E don’t even believe in the church anyway. This used to be a Christian country. There are more and more people claiming to be atheist everyday.
American here, and I so agree with Dr. Starkey when it comes to ceremony and the Monarchy. Modernization, when applied to ceremony, destroys the underpinning of the historical value of ceremony and tradition whether applied to those of a family or a Monarchy. On a separate note which is political, just look at us in the U.S. I am 70s hippie, obviously an old one, with Democratic views. However, we have attempted to accommodate every single culture which has come into the U.S. Now it seems that America is more just a very large piece of real estate occupied by many tribes rather than a united country. I believe there should have been an expectation and facilitation of adapting to the norms of the U.S. rather than the other way around.
That used to be the case in the UK. Removing basic common sense requirements to become citizens is destroying our society day by day. Pandering to aggressive cultures will finish the job off imo. Balkanisation is the only way forward for indigenous Brits now thanks to successive weak governments. Our king is showing himself to be on the wrong side of the conversation imho.
This Coronation should about be following tradition - that’s what has kept our religion going. It is not for King Charles to do with what he wants, no matter how much he thinks he is ‘doing good’ by putting Faith under one umbrella. Can you imagine certain religions wanting to put our Churches under their umbrella - no way.
@@bernarendefmarn4429 Of course, you are so right in what you say - apologies! However, these days I think the public have a little more say and can express their feelings more freely than the poor Serfs back in Ye Olden Days! (Although not much of what we DO say is listened to, of course!)
Charles is head of the WEF, The Schwabster does his bidding, and the WEF and Pope wish to bring in a new One World Religion and One World Government. I hear they want to call it Chrislam. There is a lot more to this Coronation ceremony than many people may realise, I think. It's full steam ahead now the Queen has passed.
The death of Christianity in it's fullness in England began with it's Protestant revolution. They murdered, persecuted, and stole. They deprived themselves of Apostolic Succession; the Rock of Peter gave it and the Rock of Peter took it away. Although the Catholic Church survived underground and today is the largest group of practicing religionists in England, including a mutitude of Anglican converts (including Anglican "bishops" and "priests").
The world famous french literary giant Victor Hugo said; England has two books.Shakespeare and the Bible. England made Shakespeare but the Bible made England.
Outstanding!!! Absolutely delighted by this informative exchange of ceremonial Christian history. AND the woke modernism HAS to GO or the Monarchy goes ... Charles must remove himself from WEF and its genocidal goals
Starkey should be advising the King and doing TV shows explaining what's going on and why. He should also be telling them why all this woke nonsense is a bad idea
Thank you, Calvin, for this excellent interview with Dr. David Starkey. This should be used to teach others how to disagree without interruptions or shouting over one another. A very polite discussion. Plus, I learned so much from this.
An excellent discussion exposing both the faults of Parliament and our Woke King who cares more about his own vain trivialities than he does about the real and necessary purpose of monarchy.
@@elainebowditch6610 Anyone in the public eye who presumes that people would be interested to hear about his penchant for conversations with plants is either very vain or completely insane.
The world famous french literary giant Victor Hugo said; England has two books.Shakespeare and the Bible. England made Shakespeare but the Bible made England.
4-24-23 Let's hope King Charles, The Woke King, keeps it that way. The Archbishop of Canterbury should he admonishing him, but sadly, I think he shares Charles wokism.
I imagine Charles was probably presented with two options: 1. A watered-down, 'inclusive' coronation designed to keep the various grievance groups placated. 2. A traditional coronation which would no doubt incur the wrath of the left, who'd then call for the monarchy to be abolished.
Option 1 will be acceptable to neither wing of opinion. Option 2 at least placates one side who are most likely the monarchy's existing supporters. The Queen's funeral was full of ceremony and pageantry without a hint of wokeness and was very well received. It set an excellent example of what the Coronation ought to have been like. Its character did not lead to calls for the monarchy to be abolished but a half-hearted coronation might.
The King should uphold Common Law and the Constitution. There must be some occasions when the King must withhold consent to Acts of Parliament that go against these.
When I saw this video was 18 minutes long my heart sank and I never thought I'd watch till the end. I'm very glad I did as this was the most interesting video I've seen in a long time. That aside, I recall a French President, whose name escapes me when he was being badgered by people promoting " multi-culturalism " He stated, " in France, there is but one culture, French culture"! If only we had a leader here who would stand up for English/British culture instead of cow-towing to all the multitude we have now. This country has successfully seen off Hitler, Communism and the IRA, we now have to gird our loins and see off Islam!
Absolutely! Islam is a huge threat to this country, but even in their attempt’s to take over our religion, people our land with their hugely burgeoning population, they will experience Karma! Sharia law is an evil and so is turning every church or derelict building into a mosque! If they get rid of us, they will outstrip natural resources by over breeding, fight amongst their different factions and their enemies will have the last say, particularly the Chinese!
One problem with sticking to British/English culture is that King Charles is an Iman. His thinking is eastern not Anglican. And he already has the job. So sad. Changes you didn’t expect are forthcoming.
@@paulsmith3966 England abandoned Christianity in it's fullness with it's Protestant revolution. They murdered, persecuted, and stole. They deprived themselves of Apostolic Succession; the Rock of Peter gave it and the Rock of Peter took it away. Although the Catholic Church survived underground and today is the largest group of practicing religionists in England, including a mutitude of Anglican converts (including Anglican "bishops" and "priests").
@@dougy6237 The Rock is not Peter, it is Christ who is the Rock. It is well mentioned in scripture and someone took it out of context. Paul the Apostle was the one chosen to go to the Gentiles anyway. Just google Christ as the Rock and it is shown you.
@@TheLionessjudah For some time now, most Protestant scholars have rejected the 500 year old assertion about St Peter not being the Rock. The early Church certainly reject the assertion. Anyway, here are 7 reasons Peter is the Rock. I challenge you to refute the evidence instead of making baseless statements: 1. Protestants claim jesus used the Creek Petra and Petros for large ans small stone. This falls apart firstly because in first century Greek that specific gramatical dictinction between the sizes of a rock had not occured for many centuries. Secondly, Jesus spoke Aramaic not Greek! Also, Greek was the dominant language of the Roman Empire in the first century, but most of the common Jewish folk to whom Jesus spoke would not have been fluent in it. Aramaic was their spoken language. Thirdly, the Gospel of Matthew was originally written in Aramaic. Sts. Papias and Irenaeus tell us as much in the second century. As Greek scholars-even non-Catholic ones-admit, the words petros and petra were SYNONYMS in first century Greek. They meant “small stone” and “large rock” in some ANCIENT GREEK poetry, CENTURIES BEFORE THE TIME OF CHRIST, but that distinction had disappeared from the language by the time Matthew’s Gospel was rendered in Greek. The difference in meaning can only be found in Attic Greek, but the New Testament was written in Koine Greek-an entirely different dialect. In Koine Greek, both petros and petra simply meant “rock.” If Jesus had wanted to call Simon a small stone, the Greek lithos would have been used. (For an Evangelical Protestant Greek scholar’s admission of this, see D. A. Carson, The Expositor’s Bible Commentary [Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 1984], Frank E. Gaebelein, ed., 8:368). Moreover, we have biblical evidence-John 1:42-that also points to Jesus using Aramaic in the naming of Peter: “[Andrew] brought [Peter] to Jesus. Jesus looked at him and said, ‘So you are Simon the son of John? You shall be called Cephas,’” (which means Peter). The name Cephas is an anglicized form of the Aramaic Kepha, which means simply “rock.” There would have been no “small rock” to be found in Jesus’ original statement to Peter. Even well respected Protestant scholars will agree on this point. Baptist scholar D.A. Carson, writes, in The Expositor’s Bible Commentary, The underlying Aramaic is in this case unquestionable; and most probably kepha was used in both clauses (“you are kepha” and “on this kepha”), since the word was used both for a name and for a “rock.” The Peshitta (written in Syriac, a language cognate with a dialect of Aramaic) makes no distinction between the words in the two clauses. 2. In Koine Greek (the dialect of Greek used by the authors of the New Testament), petros and petra are masculine and feminine forms of words with the same root and the same definition: rock. There is no “small rock” to be found in the Greek text, either. So why did Matthew use these two words in the same verse? Petra was a common word used for “rock” in Greek. It’s used fifteen times to mean “rock,” “rocks,” or “rocky” in the New Testament. Petros is an ancient Greek term that was not commonly used in Koine Greek at all. In fact, it was never used in the New Testament, except for Peter’s name after Jesus changed it from Simon to Peter. It follows that when Matthew was translating, he would have used petra for “rock.” However, in so doing, he would have encountered a problem. Petra is a feminine noun. It would have been improper to call Peter Petra. This would be equivalent to calling a male “Valerie” or “Priscilla” in English. Hence, petros was used instead of petra for Peter’s name. 3. There are several words the inspired author could have used for rock or stone in Greek. Petra and lithos were the most common. They could be used interchangeably. A connotation of “large” or “small” with either of them would depend on context. The words simply meant rock or stone. Craig S. Keener, another Protestant scholar, on page 90 of The IVP Bible Background Commentary of the New Testament, states, “In Greek (here), they (referring to petros and petra) are cognate terms that were used interchangeably by this period.” D.A. Carson points out the big/small distinction did exist in Greek but is found only in ancient Greek (used from the eighth to the fourth century B.C.), and even there it is mostly confined to poetry. The New Testament was written in Koine Greek (used from the fourth century B.C. to the fifth century A.D.). Carson agrees with Keener and with Catholics that there is no distinction in definition between petros and petra. One of the most respected and referenced Greek dictionaries among Evangelicals is Gerhard Kittel’s Theological Dictionary of the New Testament. In a most candid statement about Matthew 16:18, Dr. Oscar Cullman, a contributing editor to this work, writes: The obvious pun which has made its way into the Greek text . . . suggests a material identity between petra and Petros . . . as it is impossible to differentiate strictly between the two words. . . . Petros himself is this petra, not just his faith or his confession. . . . The idea of the Reformers that he is referring to the faith of Peter is quite inconceivable. . . . For there is no reference here to the faith of Peter. Rather, the parallelism of “thou art Rock” and “on this rock I will build” shows that the second rock can only be the same as the first. It is thus evident that Jesus is referring to Peter, to whom he has given the name Rock. . . . To this extent Roman Catholic exegesis is right and all Protestant attempts to evade this interpretation are to be rejected. 4. If Matthew wanted to distinguish “rocks” in the text, he would have most likely used lithos. As stated above, lithos could refer to a large rock, but it was more commonly used to denote a small stone. However, there is a third word Matthew could have used that always means small stone: psephos. It is used twice in Rev. 2:17 as “small stone” when Jesus says, “To him who conquers I will give some of the hidden manna, and I will give him a white stone, with a new name written on the stone which no one knows except him who receives it.” Here we have one Greek word that, unlike lithos and petra, always has a connotation of “small stone” or “pebble.” 5. A simpler line of reasoning gets away from original languages and examines the immediate context of the passage. Notice, our Lord says to Peter in Matthew 16:17-19, And Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven. And I tell you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.” Jesus uses the second-person personal pronoun seven times in just three verses. The context is clearly one of Jesus communicating a unique authority to Peter. Further, Jesus is portrayed as the builder of the Church, not the building. He says, “I will build my church.” Jesus is “the wise man who built his house upon the rock” (7:24) in Matthew’s Gospel. Once again, it just does not fit the context to have Jesus building the Church upon himself. He’s building it upon Peter. 6. A lot of folks miss the significance of Simon’s name change to Peter. When God revealed to certain of his people a new and radical calling in Scripture, he sometimes changed their names. In particular, we find this in the calling of the Patriarchs. Abram (“exalted father” in Hebrew) was changed to Abraham (“father of the multitudes”), Jacob (“supplanter”) to Israel (“One who prevails with God”). In fact, there is an interesting parallel here between Abraham and Peter. In Isaiah 51:1-2, we read, Hearken to me, you who pursue deliverance, you who seek the Lord; look to the rock from which you were hewn. . . . Look to Abraham your father. Jesus here makes Peter a true “father” over the household of faith, just as God made Abraham our true “father” in the Faith (see Rom. 4:1-18; James 2:21). Hence, it is fitting that Peter’s successors are called “pope” or “papa,” as was Abraham (see Luke 16:24). 7. When we understand that Christ is the true “son of David” who came to restore the prophetic kingdom of David, we understand that Christ in Matthew 16, like the king of Israel, was establishing a “prime minister” among his ministers-the apostles-in the kingdom. Isaiah 22:15-22 gives us insight into the ministry of the “prime minister” in ancient Israel: Thus says the Lord God of hosts, “Come, go to this steward, to Shebna, who is over the household, and say to him . . . behold the Lord will hurl you away violently. . . . I will thrust you from your office, and you will be cast down from your station. In that day I will call my servant Eliakim the son of Hilkiah, and I will clothe him with your robe, and will bind your girdle on him, and will commit your authority to his hand; and he shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem and to the house of Judah. And I will place on his shoulder the key of the House of David; he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open.
I am an American, but even I know that this historical ceremony is not and never should become a modern thing. Modern actually sucks! If it goes "so-called" modern, why bother with it at all. The King, during this ceremony, is anointed as Defender of the Faith. He needs to wake up and get out of his head. People of other faiths can and should be invited, of course, as that is only polite. But they should not be included in the ceremony itself.
I mean it’s not as if the Church of England has been doing all that well these many past decades. Placing any blame at the Kings feet, who has only been sovereign for roughly 7 months, ignores all of the hard work the CoE has done disestablishing itself.
Neither did Henry VIII who accepted the title from the Pope and went on to violently suppress the very Popish Catholic faith he was awarded the title for defending.
@@agi1041 You should definitely watch the Intelligent Design documentary titled " The Privileged Planet". A NASA astrophysicist is one of the experts interviewed among a select group of scientists.
Great discussion. I'm not a constitutional historian, just a concerned English citizen, but since his disastrous private life; his flirtation with Islam; his fetish for the more outlandish realms of environmentalism; his tendency to poke his nose into issues he knows little about, I've come to feel that Charles is an arrogant, and,(with regard to our monarchy), dangerous fool. And sadly, his son and heir shows little sign of being any more intelligent or astute than his father. I fear for the future of our country and it's constitution in the hands of these two.
I completely agree with Dr. David Starkey. We have always had a monarchy that stood away and above politics. That's what is so great about it. Now it's losing its stature and becoming Liberal and therefore, there's a diminishing hope and glory to hang onto. Where is our britishness going 😢😢😢😢😢🇬🇧
The Monarch was originally crowned to defend the people (his peers) against any possible usurpation of powers by the Parliamentarians. Alas, the Monarchy has failed miserably in this task. Which is why King Charles III will not take the original oath.
Some people of other religions in this countrh now do not like other religions but their own so let them go and have their own coronation in their own country. Come on Charles get a grip.
Sad day. He did say year's ago the he would not be “Defender Of The Faith” but rather “Defender Of The Faiths”. I knew then we were in trouble. - From and American.
I love this guy. He has many interviews out with different news outlets and he is so classy and elegant and FAIR to all sides. Including his views on Harry and Meghan
We are a prodigal nation...we have abandoned our 'faith heritage' and wandered increasingly into chaos. We have no magnetic north to our moral compass, Perhaps the coronation might prompt some to reflect on the spiritual vacuum we find ourselves in....and what is filling that vacuum. God waits like a father for our return....Those of us that know the father... cry from our hearts for some kind of awakening.. How bad does it need to get before we realize we are lost?
To me it's the oath he will swear, will he swear to defend Britain against ANY threat. I don,t see how Chritianity and Islam can work side by side. From what I think I understand, the King has the right not to sign into law something that is a threat to his people.First Parliament then the House of Lords then the Monarch, who is Head of State and not under Parliament.
I love Dr Starkey! Am a student of history and delighted always to hear him explained relevance of a particular event, practice. In today's world people are so much into doing things the modern way but am always for tradition too.
Dr Starkey as usual you speak the absolute truth. I simply love this man. He is correct in what he says. The way things are going we going to lose who we are. Never mind our own King, not respecting the procedures that have been in place 500 years. History is a wonderful thing, especially our history. Sadly our own King seems to be quick to shake off who he is. His mother would have been so disappointed.
The death of Christianity in it's fullness in England began with it's Protestant revolution. They murdered, persecuted, and stole. They deprived themselves of Apostolic Succession; the Rock of Peter gave it and the Rock of Peter took it away. Although the Catholic Church survived underground and today is the largest group of practicing religionists in England, including a mutitude of Anglican converts (including Anglican "bishops" and "priests").
But if foreigners come to a other country they should adapt and not complain… why did they choose to come in the first place????
To make money
Dole money and free housing.
To bring Islam.
We Brits are Christian, muslims are very privileged, their religion has been tolerated, and should be grateful, for our allowing them to practice their un Christian culture, kings in the past centuries would not have allowed them on the soil of England, Scotland Wales or Ireland. The peoples would have risen up in revolution.
I agree, OR don't come. IF you come you respect US, OUR RELIGION AND OUR LAWS AND CUSTOMS.
I like the way Calvin allows David to speak without constantly interrupting and talking over him.
Its hard to get a word in when David is in full flow.Many try but fail!
It used to be the English norm, we called it ‘manners’.
I miss them the most.
But I bet Calvin will have a fit if blacks weren't allowed. Why do conservatives put blacks or nonwhites as their spokesperson to show they aren't racist.
@@Threemore650 Something I have to say David might muse upon when he comes out with responses like "You are so ignorant." I do respect the man but, that is exceedingly rude.
@@indubitablymydearwatson I think he lost the accent, but the northern bluntness remained.
His intellectual input qualifies him for at least three ad hominems per debate.
Keep it CHRISTIAN,other religions have their own place,the Coronation should not be mixed liked a cocktail.
Devil's Advocate:
Keep it Islamic, other religions have their own place,the Coronation should not be mixed liked a cocktail.
Keep it Jewish, other religions have their own place,the Coronation should not be mixed liked a cocktail.
Keep it Buddhist ,other religions have their own place,the Coronation should not be mixed liked a cocktail.
See the problem?
Keep is Christian but the first couple books of the bible aren't even Christian lol
@@iloveamerica007 So your point is?
@@Threemore650 his point is he is abdool and does not understand Christianity, he probably wants to say the first books are not Christian but Jewish and belong to current day Judaism. Which would be a wrong assumption because current day Judaism is mainly a reaction to Christianity. One could easily argue that Christianity is the true Spiritual heir of Abraham, Jews being his bodily heirs and abdools being some-kind of weird mutation.
@@universalflamethrower6342 Their ancestors were Christian and pagan. The first pages chronologically sound a lot like Christian hymns.
I guess they needed something more _them_ . Maybe yet another Abrahamic faith will appear. Or one that says it’s that anyway. I mean theoretically you could just say it is…Who knows the truth? No one! That’s why it’s called belief.
I find the Old Testament quite un jesussy and therefore not my bit of the Bible. But there’s some good stories.
Jesus was literally year zero.
The Israelites are funny though… moaning about manna - - lost in a desert the size of a hanky for how long!?
The King, as defender of the faith, should be defending THE faith, not contributing to its downfall and destruction! We are a Christian nation, our values and laws are based on Christian values. Others who choose to live here should respect that and if they don't wish to respect our culture, traditions and religion they should perhaps not be living here. Why does the service have to be inclusive, can we not proudly declare our British values without having to diminish them to accommodate others who certainly would not return the favour in any way, shape or form?
So it looks like the 'defender of the faith' has now become the destroyer.
Faith of a story 😂
The CoE has done a tremendous job disestablishing itself over the past reign. HM has only been King for roughly 7 months, how is any of this on him?
@@aaronfire359 Of course it is Not! HRH Charles has put-up with a lot of snarkiness since the day he was born. He is a great man, a genius (he and his father) who foresaw the future regarding our environment.
@@IBTU Only you are claiming "I'm better than you", so it carries no weight. If you really believe it, please get some therapy.
no monarch of england ever defended my christian faith, nor will any destroy it.
such little faith as i have i got from Chrit Himself in one on one relationship, as the bible says.
whoever squats in his or her unlawful palce as head of the churc or FD is utterly irrelevant
This King has contempt for we the people !
Just like our governments too.
2 Outcasts! Breathing, speaking, fearlessly, refusing to be silenced. They will NOT cease to speak TRUTH! Thank you Fr. Robinson, and Dr. Starkey.
@@ellenoneill7853 Yes!
The world famous french literary giant Victor Hugo said;
England has two books.Shakespeare and the Bible.
England made Shakespeare but the Bible made England.
@@shaileshmathews4086 A BRILLIANT statement by a BRILLIANT man. Couldn't have said it better unless you are God. Thank you!
This king must keep faith with the oath to protect the sovereignty of the people under the constitutional monarchy ! I don’t trust him to give his oath !
😂💩😂💩😂💩😂🤡😂🤡😂🤡💩💩💩🙃
It’s easy to take an oath but very difficult to keep one, after all he didn’t keep his oath to forsake all others when he married Diana.
@@earthdakini Ouch !
A woke king is as low as a nation can ever go.
He should prove he is truly woke.....like divorce Queen Camilla and marry another guy! So Cool! So woke!
@@HarrySmith-hr2iv Or marry a Trans Woman
It's an even money bet as to whether he Transitions and becomes Queen Charlene 😂😂😂.
@@violinstar5948 Or marry a goat, pig, donkey or camel! So cool! So woke! It might start off a new trend in the Royal Household!
It's nice to see a gentleman who allows himself to be called "Ignorant!" by another good-natured gentleman without falling to pieces.
Having a 'thick skin' is a sign of intelligence, IMO 🙂
I spotted that! Found it so refreshing 😄 We forgot how a normal and civilized conversation even sounds in this snowflake culture.
@@geoffas I would say “….. can be a sign of intelligence”. I think there exist different reasons for having “thick skin” for different people, some for bad or evil reasons. In the present case, I certainly agree it’s intelligence.
@@rowenaching2208 I agree and I think your expanded take on it makes sense 🙂
Absolutely Well Said Dr Starkry! A voice of education, logic and reason. If only there were more educated people....
Not much hope while schools/ universities are churning out woke lefty zombies, incapable of critical thought. Imho
Keep hoping....🤣🤣
I thought for the last centuary & a half we had spent billions education our population ? Seems to me that our teaching profession has done a very poor job !
@@dickyt1318 Yep, I gave up an academic career when they forced a passing quota on me! Remember the time when each kid got a medal: win or lose, they went home with a medal? Some expensive medals they were!
Re-inventing the wheel is fine but must they be square?LOLOL 🙂
The coronation SHOULD be utterly and absolutely explicitly Christian
Why? Most people don't even go to church anymore
Absolutely correct
@@unusedsub3003 but the ones who do go will want the service to be in the traditional manner they are used to.
@@unusedsub3003 You don't need to go to church to be a Christian..
@@unusedsub3003 yes, but the monarch is the head of the Church of England. Use your brain 🧠
Christian only, Christian country. The rest can eff off
The death of Christianity in it's fullness in England began with it's Protestant revolution. They murdered, persecuted, and stole. They deprived themselves of Apostolic Succession; the Rock of Peter gave it and the Rock of Peter took it away. Although the Catholic Church survived underground and today is the largest group of practicing religionists in England, including a mutitude of Anglican converts (including Anglican "bishops" and "priests").
What an absolute educator, we have in David Starkey. Thank you GB news for giving us, this wonderful historian to listen and learn from. It's Absolutely priceless, the knowledge, this man gives us. He should be, the Monarchs Advisor.
He wouldn't be very helpful in advising the king in how to hold together a union already frayed at the edges seeing as how ge denigrates Scottish national identity, regarding the Scottish nationalists as being akin to Nazis. His view of Irish nationalists as inherently violent compared to genteel English nationalists won't serve to promote an intercommunity relationship in Ireland which might help keep that country's six North Eastern counties in a union with Great Britain longer than a decade or two. The King knows far better how to reach out to all his British subjects in a respectful manner which will be reciprocated despite the naysayers. No King has longer or better prepared himself to take on the office of Kingship, a preparation enriched enormously by the living example of his mother, father and grabdmothers.
We haven't had a monarch yet who truely places the interests of the People alongside themself, Charle's bunch came to the thrown as penniless european aristo's so how did they get so megga rich in three hundred years? why stealing from the Treasury and manipulating Parliament that's how!
The anointing of a king belongs to the Old Covenant, not New Covenant - which only contains the anointing of the sick. (And Christ`s body for burial, MARK 18: 4) And no temporal rulers in spiritual matters…JAMES 5: 14 “Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord.”
He certainly has a very healthy understanding of the bible ,considering he believes it’s all ‘Tommy Rot’.
Why, as an atheist does this Dr Care?
Brilliant! Well done both of you, superb intelligent, uninterrupted interview with two fine gentlemen. Thank you
@You Tube "Diversity" at it's best 🙂
Brilliant conversation. Thank you gentlemen from a Scottish lady.
I could listen to David Starkey all day. Thank you Calvin & GB News.
But I bet Calvin will have a fit if blacks weren't allowed. Why do conservatives put blacks or nonwhites as their spokesperson to show they aren't racist.
I never thought I would like what an atheist says, but Dr Starkey is great. Down here in Australia we benefit from the history and peace in the UK.
Australia...populated with rejects convicts of Britain to invade decimate native population
Nonsense. An atheist promoting religious meaningless to an atheist ceremony. Hypocrisy.
you also started as a penal colony
@@harley8680 I'm always amazed at how the Brits always mention Australia as a penal colony but never mention far more convicts went to America. Whole States like Alabama and South Carolina etc were populated by ''convicts''. The English only started sending them to Australia from 1788-1845 because they lost the American colony.
@@harley8680 And yet my standard of living and quality of life is amongst the highest in the world...
@@harley8680 free settlers and convicts on the same ships . Convicts were free to return after sentence served but majority decided to stay .
Love the exchange of opinions between Rev. Calvin Robinson and Dr. David Starkey
Yes it was good old fashioned debate, maybe disagree on a few issues, then shake hands after. Not like the leftist cancel culture type debate where if someone disagrees with U then U try and end their career
So very civilised 👏🏻👏🏻🥰🥰
David Starkey talking sense again 👏 👍
I am so tired of hearing how "this is Charles' coronation". I beg to differ. It is the country's coronation. Charles is here to serve the nations, we are not here to serve Charles. I believe Charles understands this, I don't believe the press does.
Are you "grammer or grammar " .?
What makes you think that Charles understands this?
The British are a tribe. All tribes are led by a King.
Don't forget Cowmilla!
Well said I agree
I no longer recognise my country and I no longer support the monarchy. It’s like my whole identity has changed. The British people need to wake up and kick back against this attack on our culture.
We need the Reform party to win the next election to keep our sanity and pride in a great nation that has fought to keep others safe
Thank you calvin you are so right on so many levels the west needs you, all the best
As an American, I have always been interested in royal history. Listening to Dr. Starkey makes me realize how much I don't know. Thank you for great interview Calvin. Always appreciate David Starkey's contributions.
Listening to Dr Starkey makes me realize how much he doesn't know!
@@bernarendefmarn4429 what ?
How many have you slaughtered today?
Monarchs through the ages along with vested interests have done a pretty good job hiding the truth that the Monarch is merely first among equals and its the People who are truely sovereign and hold all of the power vested in us through the Magna Carta
@Bernaren def Marn. Is that so, Professor Fartworth...? 😅
Finally, GBNEWS shows us an interest, and worthy discussion issue.
Oh, I’ve seen a few !
DAVID STARKY IS BRILLIANT 👍👍👍👍👍KING CHARLES BETTER GET HIS VOWES RIGHT.
Indeed it is. A tradition that must stay as is or cease to exist altogether.
Nonsense. An atheist promoting religious meaningless to an atheist ceremony. Hypocrisy.
Traditions change all the time.
@@mattsmith87 Exactly. Certain people resist change. Once change happens, there same people are the ones who are the strongest upholders of change.
As an example, men and women are now called Marines, and die hards insist on it. These same people used to call women Female Marines or FMs and before that Marinettes.
Dr Starkey is a rare delight….educated and erudite ….long may he reign!
He talks a lot of shit about England being different...deftly controlled, feeling in power. More fiction.
English cheaters/ tampons - real christians
This will be the last coronation Starkey will comment on.
@@yvonneplant9434 ….ain’t necessarily so…..
@Spartan 300 …perhaps we might restrain ourselves from judging others and see how our own mortal souls measure up….
King Charles, the woke king
Right as usual Dr Starkey.
Other religions have no place at our Coronation.
And it is our (the British people's) Coronation.
King Charles the Woke is just the one we choose to Crown.
It is not his Coronation.
We didn't choose him. That's not how it works.
Our ancestors did.
In 1701 and 1707 the Acts of Settlement and Union.
Effectively choosing, from 1714 onwards the descendants of Charles I's sister, Elizabeth of Bohemia and not the descendants of Charles I.
The crowning of a Tampon should please God enormously. Especially a superior English one.
LOL! that phone call!
The world famous french literary giant Victor Hugo said;
England has two books.Shakespeare and the Bible.
England made Shakespeare but the Bible made England.
I have never been a fan of Charles . And had respect for his mother . But, he has really put me off the Monarchy and damaging the hard work of his mother . I’ve NEVER heard of Muslims inviting Christian leaders to preach the gospel in the mosques. Nor have I heard of Christian congregations inviting Muslims to preach/pray in churches..
The king doesn’t understand the difference between Christianity and all other religions. Nor does he understand what it means to be defender of the faith or head of the Church of England. The history of how the Church of England came into existence is not complimentary to either the monarchy or the Church of England.
@@nevaannegrant453 what do you mean? Are you saying this from a roman catholic perspective? If you want to do catholicism- go see the pope. This is the protestant church of England.
Unless it's some sort of interfaith prayer or event.
No!,,,,But Muslims were invited into a church not long ago…and I for one do not want Muslims preying and taking a service in my country…Its bad enough they are taking everything else over in this country…I am sick of seeing it …And still they come weekly in their hundreds…..
to me, it's actually Charles thinking he's more important, more central to the lives of Muslims, Hindus, Jews etc than he is or needs to be
I like the fact that Calvin was cool to be said: you’re so ignorant, but in a “fatherly “ way. I appreciate the decency of this two. 👍👍
If Charles changes anything he should step down he has no right to be King .
I agree
Can we please have these two back for more on this subject as the coronation draws nearer? Wonderful 👏👏👏👏👏🇳🇿❤️🇬🇧
And so it should be Christian
Couldn't agree more - it would be a traversty if Charles insists on including other faiths - totally WRONG and he would NOT BE MY KING if this is his intention.
Charles's real faith is not one that very many people follow and is rarely talked about.
@@betsyj59 And what is his "real faith" ?
@@alanaronald244 He probably has non.Anyone calling for the 'acceptance' of Islam in our society really has no place in it
Legally he can't which is why there's been such a problem getting it together.
@@betsyj59 I agree.
Dr David Starkey should be advising KCIII. At the moment he is getting very bad advice from woke individuals, including the archbishop of Canterbury. Calvin is the perfect interviewer, with no shouting over his guest. Piers Morgan, watch and learn. If KC had invited leaders of non Christian faiths to participate, I would have left the C of E, as I am sure would many others. Wonderful broadcast, thank-you gentlemen.
Charles told EVERYONE he was going to say “defender of faiths” decades ago. Why would people not have advised him about this over these many years? They have obviously discussed it. They have had plenty of time to do it!
I also believe in the importance of 'ceremony'. Poet John Betjeman used to refer to Anglican ceremony as 'all the inessentials of religion' and he loved these inessentials dearly. I hope the Church stands firm and refuses to modernise the coronation service, but I'm not holding my breath.
I wouldn’t count on Justin Welby as Archbishop, then. He doesn’t uphold sound doctrine.
The Church is Woke as is Charles. God is not Woke.
Queen Victoria's coronation service lasted 5 hours. The late Queen Elizabeth's took 3 hours. Charles and Camilla's coronation (a double one) is predicted to take an hour and a half which surely means that there will be little ceremony left.
@@MrBulky992 in those previous Coronations a lot of time was taken up by all the Lords coming forward to pledge allegiance to their Liege Lord. They won't all be doing that this time. Probably because it's best we don't realise just how many of them there actually are!
@@Anna_Key Well, that did not happen in 1953 - all the lords did not come forward to pledge allegiance individually: there are hundreds of them and many peers were not even present at the 1953 Coronation because attendance was decided by lottery. The numbers are irrelevant in any case because those who were present swore their allegiance as large groups rather than individually with only one representative of each group coming forward each time. The whole thing only took 12 minutes out of a coronation which went on for 3 hours.
Here is how it went:
1. The assembled bishops in unison led by the Archbishop of Canterbury
2. The Duke of Edinburgh individually
3. The Duke of Gloucester individually
4. The Duke of Kent individually
5. The non-royal Dukes in unison, led by the Duke of Norfolk
6. The Marquesses in unison, led by the Marquess of Huntly
7. The Earls in unison, led by the Earl of Shrewsbury
8. The Viscounts in unison, led by Viscount Arbuthnot
9. The Barons in unison, led by the Lord Mowbray
That's a total of 9 recitations of the pledge of homage, each taking just over a minute and negligible in the grand scheme of things.
You have to love these two , brilliant discussion with mutual respect and great love of the subject
Wow an intelligent conversation. More please.......
I wonder if our Mr Starkey realizes how christian he is. And please no comments about his personal life, I would say he abides by the christian faith in many ways. Excellent interview Calvin.
Thats because he was raised in Christian country (whether he accepts it or not)
@@rogerwoodhouse7945: If I recall correctly Starkey was raised in a Quaker home.
@@ginawiggles918 In Christian country surrounded by Christian influences.
He behaves 'similar' to a Christian because he grew up in a Christian environment. You can't reject the divine sovereignty of Jesus and be a Christian. He's just a product of environment.
Starkey is always good value - and full of historical facts which, as I get older, I realize are VERY important for us to know, for the future
No wonder he's been sidelined by the blob.
He speaks the historical truth.
This was so ENLIGHTENING = Thank you gentlemen and I agree entirely = KC is getting this VERY wrong
I love David Starkey. You learn so much from his sound logic.
And jimmy savile was knighted by the aspiring monarch and friend and head of anglican church...
God Bless David Starkey. May the eyes of his heart be enlightened to realise the grace of God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
What a pleasure. A rare decent adult conversation. Thank you GB.
What a wonderful, intelligent duo. It's a pleasure to listen to them in discussion.
I would have loved him as a history teacher, he is so interesting g to listen to isn’t he. These younger ones all for punishing us for what has passed should listen to him and learn some history of the country they live in
Is King Charles III trying to destroy himself and his ancestors to create something “new” or popular for the moment? Sent
Maybe he's horribly compromised. Remember his decades ling "friendship"with Saville? What have they got on him?
Yes. He is a WEF man and the WEF are trying to push for a one world religion. Some sort of mix of all faiths. Hence the push to include other faiths in the service.
@@margaretsmith2351 exactly my thoughts when I first heard of his desire to make the oath all inclusive. The Queen supported other faiths and the Commonwealth and Charles could do likewise, altering the Oath alters our status as a Christian Country and people will not recognise him if he does this and will move to abolish the monarchy and become a republic. We are a Christian Country and it’s about time we started being proud of that fact and of our heritage. (I am not racist and believe all people have the right to practice their religion or belief, or none as long is it does no harm to others and expect people to accept my right to be a practicing Christian in a Christian country). If people object to the U.K. being a Christian country then they are free to leave and take up residence in a country more in line with their particular faith.
Hello Dr.Starkey! Welcome Sir! You make my heart sing with your knowledge and truth! Calvin we love you too for sharing your program with this genius!😊❤❤For you Dr.Starkey!❤❤❤
I am a confirmed member of the Church of England. If prayers are said from other religions that do not encompass the Christian faith that's it, that will be the end of my association with the CofE.
@@daviegorman6375 there wasa wider thing called the Reformation
Plenty of reformed denominations and indeed independent churches
Recently I was privileged enough to visit St. Martin's Church in Canterbury which is 1,400 years old, and on entering I couldn't help but get teary eyed when I thought of all those great Knights/Soldiers, Kings & Queens who laid down their lives in service to God & Country. Their legacy now set to be erased from History.
Unless it's some sort of interfaith prayer or event..
Im a Methodist.. we still value gods words
Up until the 1980's anyone who went to school got their dose of Christian values as every assembly was like a church service , so even if you had never been to church you still grew up Christian without even realising it . This is a Christian country and if king Charles is going to stand for anything then he should be as defender of the faith sticking by the church and nothing else . And all other religions should pay homage to him for allowing them to keep their beliefs and flourish in our country .
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🎯 You're right on target, Carol!
@@patriciat7769 thanks , happy st George's day .
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Hope everyone saw the adorable birthday picture of Prince Louis and Kate. Adorable!
This is not the middle ages. We are not second class citizens as Christianity and Islam treated none believers. Christianity is not the only religion. There are over 4000 religions.
@@emilywyatt9340 no we are not in the middle ages but tradition is what culture is built on . And this is our British cultural tradition as Britain is a Christian country wether you and the 4000 other religions like it or not .
A country that allows a man and a man to marry in a church had already disregarded the faith anyways
Thank goodness. Like Dr Starkey I'm an atheist. We don't need the church.
@@DS9TREK It is the abadondment of faith that has eroded the sense of nationhood we used to have. Athiest are to blame for national decline as much as anyone
@@DS9TREKYou come back to this post when all the christians are gone and you get the evil you want and remember that someone stopped to ask you if you would come to Christ, find him before it's too late. I love you and so does God
true. and of courseit is entirely relevant, reducing the coronation to an OBVIOUSLY empty mummery whereas before it was only implicit
@@ianburns6218 No it's this useless Government Brexit and people like yourself that that thing Great Britain is still some superior country it used to be bit isn't any longer
I don’t think it’s a lack of confidence, but rather a lack of TRUST in monarchy and Parliament.
I love David Starkey...hes a very intelligent man.
Starkey thinks Zelensky, a ‘comedian’ who likes to dress up in drag, is Winston Churchill. 🥴
He does rather love himself too much be taken entirely seriously
Too bad he denies Christ. That makes him foolish, not wise. Scripture says, “The fool says in his heart, there is no God.” Psalm 14:1.
Absolutely; I always enjoy listening to whatever he has to say! 🇺🇸🇬🇧
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We do need to keep are country to stay as it was ,the king needs to understand stand we are Christian faith..
Hardly anyone who claims to be C of E even goes to church and many that say they are C of E don’t even believe in the church anyway. This used to be a Christian country. There are more and more people claiming to be atheist everyday.
American here, and I so agree with Dr. Starkey when it comes to ceremony and the Monarchy. Modernization, when applied to ceremony, destroys the underpinning of the historical value of ceremony and tradition whether applied to those of a family or a Monarchy.
On a separate note which is political, just look at us in the U.S. I am 70s hippie, obviously an old one, with Democratic views. However, we have attempted to accommodate every single culture which has come into the U.S. Now it seems that America is more just a very large piece of real estate occupied by many tribes rather than a united country. I believe there should have been an expectation and facilitation of adapting to the norms of the U.S. rather than the other way around.
Thankyou for your observant humble opinion...I have to agree, we kind of opened Pandora's Box and snakes have slithered out...
The odd thing about the USA is that the AngloSaxons were just one of several colonisers. The USA then stole parts of Mexico
I think about Japan and some other countries that would not bow down to other cultures, period. And that is okay with me.
That used to be the case in the UK. Removing basic common sense requirements to become citizens is destroying our society day by day.
Pandering to aggressive cultures will finish the job off imo.
Balkanisation is the only way forward for indigenous Brits now thanks to successive weak governments. Our king is showing himself to be on the wrong side of the conversation imho.
Very sad to watch... a Godless woke culture is destroying so much. I am 76... raised Episcopalian.
This Coronation should about be following tradition - that’s what has kept our religion going. It is not for King Charles to do with what he wants, no matter how much he thinks he is ‘doing good’ by putting Faith under one umbrella. Can you imagine certain religions wanting to put our Churches under their umbrella - no way.
I don't think Henry VIII would agree with your assertion that it's not up to the King to do what he wants.
@@bernarendefmarn4429 Of course, you are so right in what you say - apologies! However, these days I think the public have a little more say and can express their feelings more freely than the poor Serfs back in Ye Olden Days! (Although not much of what we DO say is listened to, of course!)
Charles is head of the WEF, The Schwabster does his bidding, and the WEF and Pope wish to bring in a new One World Religion and One World Government. I hear they want to call it Chrislam. There is a lot more to this Coronation ceremony than many people may realise, I think. It's full steam ahead now the Queen has passed.
The death of Christianity in it's fullness in England began with it's Protestant revolution. They murdered, persecuted, and stole. They deprived themselves of Apostolic Succession; the Rock of Peter gave it and the Rock of Peter took it away. Although the Catholic Church survived underground and today is the largest group of practicing religionists in England, including a mutitude of Anglican converts (including Anglican "bishops" and "priests").
Jesus the Lord our God will not share is throne with any other god of man’s own making. Jesus Christ stands alone.
Good point - wokeism is littered with 'graven images.' Our very civilisation is in peril from the elitist cult.
Amen
Scripture states that God ordains kings and removes kings.
The world famous french literary giant Victor Hugo said;
England has two books.Shakespeare and the Bible.
England made Shakespeare but the Bible made England.
Outstanding!!! Absolutely delighted by this informative exchange of ceremonial Christian history. AND the woke modernism HAS to GO or the Monarchy goes ... Charles must remove himself from WEF and its genocidal goals
I wish this man David was my teacher so clear, ❤️ we need more David’s.
Davids
In parliament too
Starkey should be advising the King and doing TV shows explaining what's going on and why.
He should also be telling them why all this woke nonsense is a bad idea
Thank you Mr.Starkey, best historian......love watching!
Thank you, Calvin, for this excellent interview with Dr. David Starkey. This should be used to teach others how to disagree without interruptions or shouting over one another. A very polite discussion. Plus, I learned so much from this.
An excellent discussion exposing both the faults of Parliament and our Woke King who cares more about his own vain trivialities than he does about the real and necessary purpose of monarchy.
Your talking a load of tripe, he's far from vain.
@@elainebowditch6610 He must be a Diana worshiper, they can't move on until now. 😮💨
@@elainebowditch6610 Anyone in the public eye who presumes that people would be interested to hear about his penchant for conversations with plants is either very vain or completely insane.
Monarchy serves no purpose except to promote the elite.
@@elainebowditch6610 he’s a cheater liar, theive and murderer
Beautiful discourse. So civilized. Forgot what that looks like.
Charles hasn’t a clue about true Christianity. Not my king.
Thank you Lord that the coronation is a Christian service.
Even it is broadcast with Arabic subtitles on the day! 😛
@@geoffas There are Christians who speak Arabic.
The world famous french literary giant Victor Hugo said;
England has two books.Shakespeare and the Bible.
England made Shakespeare but the Bible made England.
4-24-23
Let's hope King Charles, The Woke King, keeps it that way. The Archbishop of Canterbury should he admonishing him, but sadly, I think he shares Charles wokism.
I imagine Charles was probably presented with two options:
1. A watered-down, 'inclusive' coronation designed to keep the various grievance groups placated.
2. A traditional coronation which would no doubt incur the wrath of the left, who'd then call for the monarchy to be abolished.
Aah the path of least resistance is a seductive one in this instance. Imo
They call for the monarchy to be abolished anyway. The people he needs to keep on side are the people who *want* a monarchy. He's a stupid a man.
Option 1 will be acceptable to neither wing of opinion. Option 2 at least placates one side who are most likely the monarchy's existing supporters.
The Queen's funeral was full of ceremony and pageantry without a hint of wokeness and was very well received. It set an excellent example of what the Coronation ought to have been like. Its character did not lead to calls for the monarchy to be abolished but a half-hearted coronation might.
@@MrBulky992 It was also a religious funeral. I enjoyed the church service
@@MrBulky992 Exactly. The man's either a fool, or he's so jealous of Prince William that he wants to deprive him of his birthright.
Our history is being rewritten and is 'up for grabs' by any who rock up on our shores.
4-23-23
U.S.A.
The United States shares your pain, Roger! 😥
The King should uphold Common Law and the Constitution. There must be some occasions when the King must withhold consent to Acts of Parliament that go against these.
When I saw this video was 18 minutes long my heart sank and I never thought I'd watch till the end. I'm very glad I did as this was the most interesting video I've seen in a long time.
That aside, I recall a French President, whose name escapes me when he was being badgered by people promoting " multi-culturalism " He stated, " in France, there is but one culture, French culture"!
If only we had a leader here who would stand up for English/British culture instead of cow-towing to all the multitude we have now.
This country has successfully seen off Hitler, Communism and the IRA, we now have to gird our loins and see off Islam!
Ah the words of a true bigot
@@charzemc Ah the bile of a true ignoramus
Absolutely! Islam is a huge threat to this country, but even in their attempt’s to take over our religion, people our land with their hugely burgeoning population, they will experience Karma! Sharia law is an evil and so is turning every church or derelict building into a mosque! If they get rid of us, they will outstrip natural resources by over breeding, fight amongst their different factions and their enemies will have the last say, particularly the Chinese!
One problem with sticking to British/English culture is that King Charles is an Iman. His thinking is eastern not Anglican. And he already has the job. So sad. Changes you didn’t expect are forthcoming.
Not only specifically Christian, it is specifically Anglican.
Yes, Patrick Robinson... Specifically Christian, specifically Anglican AND specifically Protestant.
Not true. There were coronations long before the Anglican Church came about.
@@paulsmith3966 England abandoned Christianity in it's fullness with it's Protestant revolution. They murdered, persecuted, and stole. They deprived themselves of Apostolic Succession; the Rock of Peter gave it and the Rock of Peter took it away. Although the Catholic Church survived underground and today is the largest group of practicing religionists in England, including a mutitude of Anglican converts (including Anglican "bishops" and "priests").
@@dougy6237 The Rock is not Peter, it is Christ who is the Rock. It is well mentioned in scripture and someone took it out of context. Paul the Apostle was the one chosen to go to the Gentiles anyway. Just google Christ as the Rock and it is shown you.
@@TheLionessjudah For some time now, most Protestant scholars have rejected the 500 year old assertion about St Peter not being the Rock. The early Church certainly reject the assertion. Anyway, here are 7 reasons Peter is the Rock. I challenge you to refute the evidence instead of making baseless statements:
1. Protestants claim jesus used the Creek Petra and Petros for large ans small stone. This falls apart firstly because in first century Greek that specific gramatical dictinction between the sizes of a rock had not occured for many centuries. Secondly, Jesus spoke Aramaic not Greek! Also, Greek was the dominant language of the Roman Empire in the first century, but most of the common Jewish folk to whom Jesus spoke would not have been fluent in it. Aramaic was their spoken language. Thirdly, the Gospel of Matthew was originally written in Aramaic.
Sts. Papias and Irenaeus tell us as much in the second century. As Greek scholars-even non-Catholic ones-admit, the words petros and petra were SYNONYMS in first century Greek. They meant “small stone” and “large rock” in some ANCIENT GREEK poetry, CENTURIES BEFORE THE TIME OF CHRIST, but that distinction had disappeared from the language by the time Matthew’s Gospel was rendered in Greek. The difference in meaning can only be found in Attic Greek, but the New Testament was written in Koine Greek-an entirely different dialect. In Koine Greek, both petros and petra simply meant “rock.” If Jesus had wanted to call Simon a small stone, the Greek lithos would have been used. (For an Evangelical Protestant Greek scholar’s admission of this, see D. A. Carson, The Expositor’s Bible Commentary [Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 1984], Frank E. Gaebelein, ed., 8:368).
Moreover, we have biblical evidence-John 1:42-that also points to Jesus using Aramaic in the naming of Peter: “[Andrew] brought [Peter] to Jesus. Jesus looked at him and said, ‘So you are Simon the son of John? You shall be called Cephas,’” (which means Peter).
The name Cephas is an anglicized form of the Aramaic Kepha, which means simply “rock.” There would have been no “small rock” to be found in Jesus’ original statement to Peter.
Even well respected Protestant scholars will agree on this point. Baptist scholar D.A. Carson, writes, in The Expositor’s Bible Commentary,
The underlying Aramaic is in this case unquestionable; and most probably kepha was used in both clauses (“you are kepha” and “on this kepha”), since the word was used both for a name and for a “rock.” The Peshitta (written in Syriac, a language cognate with a dialect of Aramaic) makes no distinction between the words in the two clauses.
2. In Koine Greek (the dialect of Greek used by the authors of the New Testament), petros and petra are masculine and feminine forms of words with the same root and the same definition: rock. There is no “small rock” to be found in the Greek text, either.
So why did Matthew use these two words in the same verse? Petra was a common word used for “rock” in Greek. It’s used fifteen times to mean “rock,” “rocks,” or “rocky” in the New Testament. Petros is an ancient Greek term that was not commonly used in Koine Greek at all. In fact, it was never used in the New Testament, except for Peter’s name after Jesus changed it from Simon to Peter.
It follows that when Matthew was translating, he would have used petra for “rock.” However, in so doing, he would have encountered a problem. Petra is a feminine noun. It would have been improper to call Peter Petra. This would be equivalent to calling a male “Valerie” or “Priscilla” in English. Hence, petros was used instead of petra for Peter’s name.
3. There are several words the inspired author could have used for rock or stone in Greek. Petra and lithos were the most common. They could be used interchangeably. A connotation of “large” or “small” with either of them would depend on context. The words simply meant rock or stone.
Craig S. Keener, another Protestant scholar, on page 90 of The IVP Bible Background Commentary of the New Testament, states, “In Greek (here), they (referring to petros and petra) are cognate terms that were used interchangeably by this period.” D.A. Carson points out the big/small distinction did exist in Greek but is found only in ancient Greek (used from the eighth to the fourth century B.C.), and even there it is mostly confined to poetry. The New Testament was written in Koine Greek (used from the fourth century B.C. to the fifth century A.D.). Carson agrees with Keener and with Catholics that there is no distinction in definition between petros and petra.
One of the most respected and referenced Greek dictionaries among Evangelicals is Gerhard Kittel’s Theological Dictionary of the New Testament. In a most candid statement about Matthew 16:18, Dr. Oscar Cullman, a contributing editor to this work, writes:
The obvious pun which has made its way into the Greek text . . . suggests a material identity between petra and Petros . . . as it is impossible to differentiate strictly between the two words. . . . Petros himself is this petra, not just his faith or his confession. . . . The idea of the Reformers that he is referring to the faith of Peter is quite inconceivable. . . . For there is no reference here to the faith of Peter. Rather, the parallelism of “thou art Rock” and “on this rock I will build” shows that the second rock can only be the same as the first. It is thus evident that Jesus is referring to Peter, to whom he has given the name Rock. . . . To this extent Roman Catholic exegesis is right and all Protestant attempts to evade this interpretation are to be rejected.
4. If Matthew wanted to distinguish “rocks” in the text, he would have most likely used lithos. As stated above, lithos could refer to a large rock, but it was more commonly used to denote a small stone. However, there is a third word Matthew could have used that always means small stone: psephos. It is used twice in Rev. 2:17 as “small stone” when Jesus says, “To him who conquers I will give some of the hidden manna, and I will give him a white stone, with a new name written on the stone which no one knows except him who receives it.” Here we have one Greek word that, unlike lithos and petra, always has a connotation of “small stone” or “pebble.”
5. A simpler line of reasoning gets away from original languages and examines the immediate context of the passage. Notice, our Lord says to Peter in Matthew 16:17-19,
And Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven. And I tell you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
Jesus uses the second-person personal pronoun seven times in just three verses. The context is clearly one of Jesus communicating a unique authority to Peter.
Further, Jesus is portrayed as the builder of the Church, not the building. He says, “I will build my church.” Jesus is “the wise man who built his house upon the rock” (7:24) in Matthew’s Gospel. Once again, it just does not fit the context to have Jesus building the Church upon himself. He’s building it upon Peter.
6. A lot of folks miss the significance of Simon’s name change to Peter. When God revealed to certain of his people a new and radical calling in Scripture, he sometimes changed their names. In particular, we find this in the calling of the Patriarchs. Abram (“exalted father” in Hebrew) was changed to Abraham (“father of the multitudes”), Jacob (“supplanter”) to Israel (“One who prevails with God”).
In fact, there is an interesting parallel here between Abraham and Peter. In Isaiah 51:1-2, we read,
Hearken to me, you who pursue deliverance, you who seek the Lord; look to the rock from which you were hewn. . . . Look to Abraham your father.
Jesus here makes Peter a true “father” over the household of faith, just as God made Abraham our true “father” in the Faith (see Rom. 4:1-18; James 2:21). Hence, it is fitting that Peter’s successors are called “pope” or “papa,” as was Abraham (see Luke 16:24).
7. When we understand that Christ is the true “son of David” who came to restore the prophetic kingdom of David, we understand that Christ in Matthew 16, like the king of Israel, was establishing a “prime minister” among his ministers-the apostles-in the kingdom. Isaiah 22:15-22 gives us insight into the ministry of the “prime minister” in ancient Israel:
Thus says the Lord God of hosts, “Come, go to this steward, to Shebna, who is over the household, and say to him . . . behold the Lord will hurl you away violently. . . . I will thrust you from your office, and you will be cast down from your station. In that day I will call my servant Eliakim the son of Hilkiah, and I will clothe him with your robe, and will bind your girdle on him, and will commit your authority to his hand; and he shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem and to the house of Judah. And I will place on his shoulder the key of the House of David; he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open.
I am an American, but even I know that this historical ceremony is not and never should become a modern thing. Modern actually sucks! If it goes "so-called" modern, why bother with it at all.
The King, during this ceremony, is anointed as Defender of the Faith. He needs to wake up and get out of his head.
People of other faiths can and should be invited, of course, as that is only polite. But they should not be included in the ceremony itself.
As a Christian, I can say, we are well and truly fukked!!! From the top down
Read some Sam Harris.
@@Baldnesz what's he saying?
Indeed we are, The hawks took over our Christian faith ages ago.
Blame the anti-religious. They are strangling our government,law and country. Crazy but fact!. Sad to see 😔 diversity gone mad!
I mean it’s not as if the Church of England has been doing all that well these many past decades. Placing any blame at the Kings feet, who has only been sovereign for roughly 7 months, ignores all of the hard work the CoE has done disestablishing itself.
Referring to the title I guess Charles did t get the memo! No one wants a woke King!
Neither did Henry VIII who accepted the title from the Pope and went on to violently suppress the very Popish Catholic faith he was awarded the title for defending.
Well said. King Charles 111 will be dishonouring God if he thinks otherwise.
He's Charles III, not 111
as the Bible says without faith it is impossible to please God, (Hebrews 11:6) CIIIR dishonours GOD WHATEVER he does
@@agi1041 prove it
@@DS9TREK more like 666.
@@agi1041 You should definitely watch the Intelligent Design documentary titled " The Privileged Planet". A NASA astrophysicist is one of the experts interviewed among a select group of scientists.
Great discussion. I'm not a constitutional historian, just a concerned English citizen, but since his disastrous private life; his flirtation with Islam; his fetish for the more outlandish realms of environmentalism; his tendency to poke his nose into issues he knows little about, I've come to feel that Charles is an arrogant, and,(with regard to our monarchy), dangerous fool. And sadly, his son and heir shows little sign of being any more intelligent or astute than his father. I fear for the future of our country and it's constitution in the hands of these two.
Great history class 👏👏
I completely agree with Dr. David Starkey. We have always had a monarchy that stood away and above politics. That's what is so great about it. Now it's losing its stature and becoming Liberal and therefore, there's a diminishing hope and glory to hang onto.
Where is our britishness going 😢😢😢😢😢🇬🇧
Not true.
The Monarch was originally crowned to defend the people (his peers) against any possible usurpation of powers by the Parliamentarians. Alas, the Monarchy has failed miserably in this task. Which is why King Charles III will not take the original oath.
Some people of other religions in this countrh now do not like other religions but their own so let them go and have their own coronation in their own country. Come on Charles get a grip.
Sad day. He did say year's ago the he would not be “Defender Of The Faith” but rather “Defender Of The Faiths”. I knew then we were in trouble. - From and American.
we are not celebrating the coronation .he is too keen on the w e f and net zero and too woke .
Starkey is utterly brilliant!
I love this guy. He has many interviews out with different news outlets and he is so classy and elegant and FAIR to all sides. Including his views on Harry and Meghan
We are a prodigal nation...we have abandoned our 'faith heritage' and wandered increasingly into chaos. We have no magnetic north to our moral compass,
Perhaps the coronation might prompt some to reflect on the spiritual vacuum we find ourselves in....and what is filling that vacuum.
God waits like a father for our return....Those of us that know the father... cry from our hearts for some kind of awakening.. How bad does it need to get before we realize we are lost?
Thank you gentlemen I agree with you both… God Helps Us All🙏
To me it's the oath he will swear, will he swear to defend Britain against ANY threat. I don,t see how Chritianity and Islam can work side by side. From what I think I understand, the King has the right not to sign into law something that is a threat to his people.First Parliament then the House of Lords then the Monarch, who is Head of State and not under Parliament.
Correct. The WEF is a threat, not just to England, but to the entire world. Charles should cut any ties with that bunch of globalists.
Such an educational video, thank you GB News!
Starkey needs to educate Royalty personally
Rev. Calvin; keep on, keeping on. God bless you beloveth.
Dr Starkey so knowledgeable he will be the right key in the right lock for Coronation Coverage cant wait👍🏴🙏🏻
Congratulations David 👍 brilliantly explained 🙏 Thank you
Love David Starkey 💗
I love Dr Starkey! Am a student of history and delighted always to hear him explained relevance of a particular event, practice. In today's world people are so much into doing things the modern way but am always for tradition too.
Food for thought, I'm still a royalist but some very important points were raised here on both sides. Thank you Calvin and Dr Starkey.
100% Correct!!!
Two Top Men 👍💕
Dr Starkey as usual you speak the absolute truth. I simply love this man. He is correct in what he says. The way things are going we going to lose who we are. Never mind our own King, not respecting the procedures that have been in place 500 years. History is a wonderful thing, especially our history. Sadly our own King seems to be quick to shake off who he is. His mother would have been so disappointed.
'Our' history is being rewritten as we speak.Every aspect of it is up for grabs by all and sundry who 'rock up ' on our shores.
The death of Christianity in it's fullness in England began with it's Protestant revolution. They murdered, persecuted, and stole. They deprived themselves of Apostolic Succession; the Rock of Peter gave it and the Rock of Peter took it away. Although the Catholic Church survived underground and today is the largest group of practicing religionists in England, including a mutitude of Anglican converts (including Anglican "bishops" and "priests").
She was just as bad as Charles. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
@@geoffas What utter tripe
The good thing about interviewing Dr David Starkey is that you only need to ask a question before getting the answer.
I could listen to these august chaps for ever.