Tom Holland is fascinating, please have him back. One thing I didn’t hear him address was the value or importance of the Christian God (not Christianity in general).Also the slight of hand that all Gods (pagan or Christian) ‘kind of the same’. That is … there is ALWAYS a God. and 2) pagan gods do not have a personal relationship with the individual… the individual only SERVES in some way the pagan god. Pagan gods are one way streets. PS. Envision a free ball in basketball…. and the basketball represents God… 6 basketball players all jumping for it….. everyone’s philosophy has a god… even atheists…..there is always competition to be the God.
22 So Paul, standing in the midst of the Areopagus, said: “Men of Athens, I perceive that in every way you are very religious. 23 For as I passed along and observed the objects of your worship, I found also an altar with this inscription: ‘To the unknown god.’ What therefore you worship as unknown, this I proclaim to you. 24 The God who made the world and everything in it, being Lord of heaven and earth, does not live in temples made by man, 25 nor is he served by human hands, as though he needed anything, since he himself gives to all mankind life and breath and everything. 26 And he made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined allotted periods and the boundaries of their dwelling place, 27 that they should seek God, and perhaps feel their way toward him and find him. Yet he is actually not far from each one of us, 28 for In him we live and move and have our being; as even some of your own poets have said, For we are indeed his offspring. 29 Being then God’s offspring, we ought not to think that the divine being is like gold or silver or stone, an image formed by the art and imagination of man.
Not sure he's entirely right - didn't cover orthodoxy in his book, a major omission. What he is talking about here is Deism - the idea of a remote, far away un-imminent God which was totally a Protestant movement. More informative is Father Strickland's trilogy Age of Paradise Age of Utopia (&the other one, name forgotten) where he gives a far fuller account of the chaning narratives in western Christianity.
I'm not sure you could call deism a protestant movement per se. It was influenced by some Protestant-inspired philosophers but Protestants were just as convinced as Catholics that Christ was divine and that God was present in the world. Voltaire, considered a deist, defended Protestant freedom of religion but not because he was Protestant but simply because he valued freedom, to give an example.
His comment about The French Revolution made me think of How Danton was compared to Jesus Christ by his contemporaries. The sentiment remained but the belief in Christ as any other than human had died.
So delightfully un -exhausting , to listen to a conversation when I am in agreement with the conclusions.....
He sent His word and healed them ,
And delivered them form Their destructions. Psalm 107 :20
Tom Holland is fascinating, please have him back. One thing I didn’t hear him address was the value or importance of the Christian God (not Christianity in general).Also the slight of hand that all Gods (pagan or Christian) ‘kind of the same’. That is … there is ALWAYS a God. and 2) pagan gods do not have a personal relationship with the individual… the individual only SERVES in some way the pagan god. Pagan gods are one way streets. PS. Envision a free ball in basketball…. and the basketball represents God… 6 basketball players all jumping for it….. everyone’s philosophy has a god… even atheists…..there is always competition to be the God.
Thank you! He so succinctly put what I have been trying to communicate about Nietzsche for years! 😄
Some day you will be old enough to start reading fairy tales again.
C.S. Lewis
"I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen. Not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else."
- C.S. Lewis
...some day this war will be over.....
The will to power is more obvious to me now, than I ever considered.
Would love to hear his thoughts on Soren Kierkegaard.
Right. I have read his main works. Christian proto- existentialist.
I found my people. Such, stimulating, quite metaphysical conversations. Love Holland and Soren!
The last few years has shown rationalism die roaring for anyone paying attention.
Do people realize that this isn't just another interview, this guy is turning the modern world uspide down?
22 So Paul, standing in the midst of the Areopagus, said: “Men of Athens, I perceive that in every way you are very religious. 23 For as I passed along and observed the objects of your worship, I found also an altar with this inscription: ‘To the unknown god.’ What therefore you worship as unknown, this I proclaim to you. 24 The God who made the world and everything in it, being Lord of heaven and earth, does not live in temples made by man, 25 nor is he served by human hands, as though he needed anything, since he himself gives to all mankind life and breath and everything. 26 And he made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined allotted periods and the boundaries of their dwelling place, 27 that they should seek God, and perhaps feel their way toward him and find him. Yet he is actually not far from each one of us, 28 for
In him we live and move and have our being; as even some of your own poets have said, For we are indeed his offspring.
29 Being then God’s offspring, we ought not to think that the divine being is like gold or silver or stone, an image formed by the art and imagination of man.
Not sure he's entirely right - didn't cover orthodoxy in his book, a major omission. What he is talking about here is Deism - the idea of a remote, far away un-imminent God which was totally a Protestant movement. More informative is Father Strickland's trilogy Age of Paradise Age of Utopia (&the other one, name forgotten) where he gives a far fuller account of the chaning narratives in western Christianity.
I'm not sure you could call deism a protestant movement per se. It was influenced by some Protestant-inspired philosophers but Protestants were just as convinced as Catholics that Christ was divine and that God was present in the world. Voltaire, considered a deist, defended Protestant freedom of religion but not because he was Protestant but simply because he valued freedom, to give an example.
His comment about The French Revolution made me think of How Danton was compared to Jesus Christ by his contemporaries. The sentiment remained but the belief in Christ as any other than human had died.
He's correct in his conclusion, but his ornate intellectualization of these ideas is a carapace that burdens our minds rather than freeing them.
Haha, uve lost me m8
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