if I get lost I will just follow the ship infront of us!! next thing you know they are stuck in the Delta quadrant with Voyager well that did not go to plan🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@radeksparowski7174The one thing I didn't like about the last season was the whole Gul Dukat/pah wraith nonsense it just felt so out of place and was boring
@@talkaboutwacky yup, but at least there was luise fletcher of cockoos nest fame as kai adami that everybody hated, but true that chosen one and prophecies shenaningas have no place in a science fiction /exception would be self fulfilling prophecy as time travel is involved like in babylon 5/
on the one hand, yeah he probably would have... on the other, it stayed mostly consistent to trek's ideals of humanity in particular (minus section 31), and showed us staying sane and united in the face of an overwhelming enemy who absolutely could not be negotiated with.
By the standards of the day absolutely but there were like 6 different recycles of previous things in this clip alone. A couple of them from previous ds9 episodes a few from the star trek movies.
@@matthewgreenwood4286Indeed. IIRC the Defiant was supposed to be the Defiant-A in the finale, but it was too costly to create all new shots of the new ship or re-render old ones with the new registry, so they just used the old registry.
It makes me so sad when the three of them did get down on Cardassia to drink the bloodline and Sisko and Ross were buzzkills and even chastised Martok for celebrating their victory seeing as the Dominion had almost eradicated the entire Cardassian race on the planet
@@talkaboutwacky agreed. Throwing away the blood wine was in very bad taste. Fortunately martok was a very tolerant Klingon when it comes to human BS. Sisko and Ross should of just politely refused and left. The Klingons saved the alpha quadrant! Show some respect!
It really was a mistake. And you were right for the first 2 or 3 seasons of DS9, unfortunately people only really give a show 2 seasons to get their head out of their rear or they don’t come back.
@@tarn1135 I mean, now you get to enjoy this show and watch it for the first time! What a privilege at a time where so much stuff on tv is just rubbish
You missed out big time lol it was a hell of a ride! Back then you could choose to watch DS9 and see what was going on in the alpha/beta/gamma quadrant, or watch Voyager in the Delta quadrant
1:57 Such a unique perspective for a rare Star Trek starship maneuver that even modern Trek doesn't attempt to reproduce. Not a bash on the modern shows, it's just this puts you in the pants of a fighter jet pilot, and most beauty passes on starships, even in combat, try to capture the scale of the ship rather than its viewpoint. Unique to the Defiant as a smaller ship or not, it was executed so well with the underbelly of the Galaxy-class panning by.
Dont know about the rest of you guys but i did get to see this on tv. My only thought at the time when they went to commercial was, "Holy shit this is really gonna happen!!!"
That whole sequence was reused battle footage from previous episodes. The whole Jem'Hadar crashing into the Klingon ships scene only made sense in the battle of Chin'Tokka. It shouldn't have been used for this battle.
@@stratfordbaby Correct, both that clip and the one where Federation fighters are shooting at a Cardassian ship were from the battle to retake DS9. Also, the scene following Sisko saying "This is our chance to punch through" was from the second battle of Chin'Tokka right before the Breen used their energy dampening weapons.
Most likely it was due to budget restrictions on the season. This season was already SFX heavy and they were probably cutting corners as it was to save money. Berman was notorious for being a cheapsake on Star Trek's budget at the time. Now I'd probably want to have some talented 3D artists here on TH-cam go in and flesh out these battle scenes. Sort of like JTFX and his Wolf 359 battle scene.
It was season 3 onwards it got better. I used to watch it on BBC I thought it was boring too but before and during the Dominion War it got loads better.
if i remeber right in cannon at most they had 3 maybe 4 Sovereign class ships that were built and functioning, they were being used for negiotians, critical border patrol, and hit and run tactics, as for the quantuam torpedos, not all ships were upgraded to launch them as most were quick refits and installing those launchers takes a lot of time and upgrades to the ships systems, and of course good old budget and liscense issues
According to the novels, multiple Dominion fleets were fighting many Federation Alliance fleets across multiple sectors. The fleets we see fighting in this scene are just one of many fleets.
Why are all those ships so close together 🙃 Normally big Star Trek ships are almost impossible to destroy, but in these DS9 fights they are all made of tissue paper and blow up in a couple of shots 😞
They couldn't leave the civilians on Cardassia Prime to suffer Dominion reprisals/ occupation after crucial assistance from Cardassian defectors. That could be interpreted alot of different ways, but, in the moment: Forward ho! Foncez!
That's very true, but they didn't know what was happening on Cardassia Prime until they reached that final defensive line. Fortunately for the Cardassians, the decision was made to press on.
Just rewatched DS9 again, still annoys me that they were reusing battle footage from previous episodes, but it’s my favorite series in Star Trek, best characters, they had flaws and weren’t so perfect
@@stratfordbaby then who took command of the romulan forces? Someone would have been the commander/liason at that point. I find it hard to believe the romulans would just capitulate to the orders of the Federation and klingons.
Romulans and Klingons have a much bitter relationship that either do with humans. I could see Martok not inviting the Romulan leader and, even if he had, him not accepting the offer.
Starfleet Should of built more Defiant Classes! Especially during the Dominion War they needed more during this period needed more war ships like Defiant.
You know, after the Cardassians switched sides, it might be a good idea to include the Cardassian fleet commander in at least some of your discussions, particularly when you're talking about assaulting Cardassia Prime.
@@johnappleseed8921 No, you can't - which is why I only suggested including them in "some of" their discussions. Those should be carefully controlled to avoid revealing any excessively sensitive information. However, to gain the maximum benefit from their betrayal, the Federation needs to coordinate operations with the Cardassians. That's particularly true for a planned assault on Cardassia Prime. The Cardassians can identify any of the defenses that are under their control, provide vital intelligence about the parts that are not, recommend target lists, and identify targets that need to be protected from the enemy. Politically, it will be symbolically important that they handle particular parts of the assault themselves, rather than rely on outsiders.
I'm not debating, but just to offer an idea to make that power dynamic acceptable, there was probably plenty of incentive for the Cardassans to up their firepower potential as their enemies inched closer to the homeworld, either by their own ingenuity or by Dominion 'assistance'. Also, allow for the idea that the Founders would share all shield frequencies among their ships/across their fleet, I mean, why would one Dominion ship dare fire on another? ; )
@@jkeelsnc Exactly, that too. And, it's been some time since I watch the entire Breen-entering-the-Dominion arc, but I dont think their ships are state of the art. They're little more than mysterious privateers. They have a clever weapon yes, but they're not untouchable.
@@thomasomahony5973 Dominion had weaponry that could breach shields. This explains why the ships get killed easier. Per lore, both Cardassian and Breen ships would have been upgraded to include this weaponry.
Why hasn't anyone made a Star Trek flying combat game? Star Wars has Rogue Squadron, Rogue Leader, the Starfighter Assault mode in Star Wars: Battlefront II, and even the space battles in LEGO Star Wars: The Skywalker Saga are pretty good. But nothing like that for Star Trek that I know of.
Always disappointed where the final biggest battle was just a bunch of reused recycled clips throughout the series. Also what’s the deal with the “extra” guy in the background at 3:34 not even looking at the control pad as he was clearly was faking pushing buttons.
The only thing that stunk about this battle was the reused clips, I would rather they just have scenes on the bridge talking about it then reshow those clips. It came off kind of lazy.
Give him a break...he's 22 by the series finale, Jadzia alone was about 33 when she died, never mind the symbiote which carried almost 400 years worth of memories and experience including at least one lifetime professional pilot.
One thing i hate about the last battle was the fact that all the battle scenes are just the scenes from the previous batyles in ds9. The only new scene was the cardys joining in
The Dominion never was defeated. Their expeditionary force in the Alpha Quadrant lost all ground and the Founder agreed to surrender and retreat their forces back to the Gamma Quadrant.
It bothered me that they didn't include the Enterprise as it was the flagship of the federation. Didn't make sense. They didn't even have a single scene with Picard or Riker. Also, why didn't they have a small scene showing the Cardassians deciding to switch sides instead of a cop out explanation.
DS9 in the last season was a huge disappointment, 8 episodes of victor fontane,a holographic night club owner.the stories weren't even that good.the dominion war took a back seat thruout until the last 4 episodes.ive haven't watched it again since.
If the kardashians lost 140 million and 80 million of them were women and children that were slaughtered by the gym Hadar how many did the federation lose how many cling on's died how many rhymes in the brain were they ever punished for sticking their nose in
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"Captain, the enemy is deploying stock footage against us!"
"Those fiends, they have heard of the cuts to our naval budget!"
if I get lost I will just follow the ship infront of us!!
next thing you know they are stuck in the Delta quadrant with Voyager
well that did not go to plan🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I like DS9 especially during the Dominion War.
It was much better during the Dominion War and when they introduced the Dominion Jemadar & Vorta
@@tristanwhite3472 it's my favorite story of all the other Treks combined
@@talkaboutwacky yup, dominion storyline and bashir/garak augmentation and spystuff and odo/quark shenaningas were the best part
@@radeksparowski7174The one thing I didn't like about the last season was the whole Gul Dukat/pah wraith nonsense it just felt so out of place and was boring
@@talkaboutwacky yup, but at least there was luise fletcher of cockoos nest fame as kai adami that everybody hated, but true that chosen one and prophecies shenaningas have no place in a science fiction /exception would be self fulfilling prophecy as time travel is involved like in babylon 5/
Roddenberry would have hated it but it really made DS9 a great show for the fans.
on the one hand, yeah he probably would have... on the other, it stayed mostly consistent to trek's ideals of humanity in particular (minus section 31), and showed us staying sane and united in the face of an overwhelming enemy who absolutely could not be negotiated with.
This is peak Star Trek.
DS9 still to this day has the best ship battlescenes in the entire star trek series
By the standards of the day absolutely but there were like 6 different recycles of previous things in this clip alone. A couple of them from previous ds9 episodes a few from the star trek movies.
I'm partial to the Stars at Night myself
@@shinzontheta
Well the standard today is a lot of 'pew pew pew' so I'll take stock footage over that.
@@DomWeasel won't get a argument from me there.
Yes when magically shields ceased to exist.
The CGI people earned their money this day.
Way better than Picard season 1
And the stock footage crew
A barrel of 2309 they earned 🍻
If I remembered right CGI was a concept a that time, remember it's the 90's.
@@matthewgreenwood4286Indeed. IIRC the Defiant was supposed to be the Defiant-A in the finale, but it was too costly to create all new shots of the new ship or re-render old ones with the new registry, so they just used the old registry.
2309. There is no finer vintage.
Klingons know how to party😎
It makes me so sad when the three of them did get down on Cardassia to drink the bloodline and Sisko and Ross were buzzkills and even chastised Martok for celebrating their victory seeing as the Dominion had almost eradicated the entire Cardassian race on the planet
There IS no FINER vintage 👌👌
Personally I think the 2302 was a much better vintage but I agree 2309 is a good year
@@talkaboutwacky agreed. Throwing away the blood wine was in very bad taste. Fortunately martok was a very tolerant Klingon when it comes to human BS. Sisko and Ross should of just politely refused and left. The Klingons saved the alpha quadrant! Show some respect!
Everytime I see these clips, I am disappointed I never watched them on TV. I thought ds9 was boring @ the time...huge mistake on my part
Same here. Then a friend told me about the s3 Klingon two-parter and said I had to watch it. 😁
And the characters felt so much deeper!
It really was a mistake. And you were right for the first 2 or 3 seasons of DS9, unfortunately people only really give a show 2 seasons to get their head out of their rear or they don’t come back.
@@tarn1135 I mean, now you get to enjoy this show and watch it for the first time! What a privilege at a time where so much stuff on tv is just rubbish
You missed out big time lol it was a hell of a ride! Back then you could choose to watch DS9 and see what was going on in the alpha/beta/gamma quadrant, or watch Voyager in the Delta quadrant
1:57 Such a unique perspective for a rare Star Trek starship maneuver that even modern Trek doesn't attempt to reproduce. Not a bash on the modern shows, it's just this puts you in the pants of a fighter jet pilot, and most beauty passes on starships, even in combat, try to capture the scale of the ship rather than its viewpoint.
Unique to the Defiant as a smaller ship or not, it was executed so well with the underbelly of the Galaxy-class panning by.
This was my teen years, DS9 every Tue and Voyager Wed.
Dont know about the rest of you guys but i did get to see this on tv. My only thought at the time when they went to commercial was, "Holy shit this is really gonna happen!!!"
the moment the cardassian fleet changed sides made jump out of my chair!
Epic
2:17 Like how they reused the same video of the explosion with the Cardie running through which was already used in the explosion from Damar's rebels.
That whole sequence was reused battle footage from previous episodes. The whole Jem'Hadar crashing into the Klingon ships scene only made sense in the battle of Chin'Tokka. It shouldn't have been used for this battle.
@@UNLebanon Also a clip of a Jem Hadar ship chasing/firing at the USS Centaur was reused footage.
@@stratfordbaby Correct, both that clip and the one where Federation fighters are shooting at a Cardassian ship were from the battle to retake DS9. Also, the scene following Sisko saying "This is our chance to punch through" was from the second battle of Chin'Tokka right before the Breen used their energy dampening weapons.
A lot of scenes have been reused time and again. However, for a finale, this is especially annoying and disappointing.
Most likely it was due to budget restrictions on the season. This season was already SFX heavy and they were probably cutting corners as it was to save money. Berman was notorious for being a cheapsake on Star Trek's budget at the time. Now I'd probably want to have some talented 3D artists here on TH-cam go in and flesh out these battle scenes. Sort of like JTFX and his Wolf 359 battle scene.
This is it, i finally need to watch all of DS9!
It was season 3 onwards it got better. I used to watch it on BBC I thought it was boring too but before and during the Dominion War it got loads better.
My friends, songs Will be sung about this day, powerful statement from martok
That Dax is just too cute for words….
Where are the Sovereign class and quantum torpedos when are needed???!😢
They couldn't use it because of licensing! Movies and TV shows had a different license.
@@dennisvanhelden9253 And In-Universe: Sovereigns and Quantum Torpedos take a lot of time and resources to build, so they had been used wisely.
if i remeber right in cannon at most they had 3 maybe 4 Sovereign class ships that were built and functioning, they were being used for negiotians, critical border patrol, and hit and run tactics, as for the quantuam torpedos, not all ships were upgraded to launch them as most were quick refits and installing those launchers takes a lot of time and upgrades to the ships systems, and of course good old budget and liscense issues
Like star trek first CONTACT............... guarding the .. well not Romulan boarder they are allies atm! Watch out for the GORN! lol
According to the novels, multiple Dominion fleets were fighting many Federation Alliance fleets across multiple sectors.
The fleets we see fighting in this scene are just one of many fleets.
I can only imagine what it was like on those cardassian ships when they saw what the dominion did. in the words of Garak: FOR CARDASSIA!!!
Why are all those ships so close together 🙃
Normally big Star Trek ships are almost impossible to destroy, but in these DS9 fights they are all made of tissue paper and blow up in a couple of shots 😞
They needed many more during the Dominion War.
The defiant was epic.
Tough little ship.
They couldn't leave the civilians on Cardassia Prime to suffer Dominion reprisals/ occupation after crucial assistance from Cardassian defectors. That could be interpreted alot of different ways, but, in the moment: Forward ho! Foncez!
That's very true, but they didn't know what was happening on Cardassia Prime until they reached that final defensive line. Fortunately for the Cardassians, the decision was made to press on.
Just rewatched DS9 again, still annoys me that they were reusing battle footage from previous episodes, but it’s my favorite series in Star Trek, best characters, they had flaws and weren’t so perfect
I always found it weird the talk of drinking on cardassia didnt include the romulan leader
Probably wouldn’t be caught dead fraternizing with a Klingon…
You missed that the Romulan flagship was DESTROYED.
@@stratfordbaby then who took command of the romulan forces? Someone would have been the commander/liason at that point. I find it hard to believe the romulans would just capitulate to the orders of the Federation and klingons.
Romulans and Klingons have a much bitter relationship that either do with humans. I could see Martok not inviting the Romulan leader and, even if he had, him not accepting the offer.
Romulans would have thought the bloodwine was poisoned. No point in inviting a party-pooper
They needed a Super Star Destroyer equipped with Federation shields.
good edit
Laser blaster looks amazing where can i get one😂
Starfleet Should of built more Defiant Classes! Especially during the Dominion War they needed more during this period needed more war ships like Defiant.
Never could figure why Sisko didn't have admiral rank here or at least a commodore, he's doing a flag officer's job.
Because he lived by Kirk's adage of "never let them promote you".
Because of Admiral Ross.
Fleet Captain
I wish someone would go and run these old episodes thru a digital upgrade or something so the cgi scenes are cleaner and better resolution
I've heard that the CG artists have all of these scenes saved and could convert them to higher resolutions. Its just the cost of remastering it all.
Looks like everyone decided to lower shields for this one. 😆
Shields?
Where we're going, we don't need shields.
Federation Shields useless against Dominion weapons
@@tristanwhite3472 Only when they first encountered them. Keep up.
You know, after the Cardassians switched sides, it might be a good idea to include the Cardassian fleet commander in at least some of your discussions, particularly when you're talking about assaulting Cardassia Prime.
You can trust traitors.
@@johnappleseed8921 No, you can't - which is why I only suggested including them in "some of" their discussions. Those should be carefully controlled to avoid revealing any excessively sensitive information. However, to gain the maximum benefit from their betrayal, the Federation needs to coordinate operations with the Cardassians. That's particularly true for a planned assault on Cardassia Prime.
The Cardassians can identify any of the defenses that are under their control, provide vital intelligence about the parts that are not, recommend target lists, and identify targets that need to be protected from the enemy.
Politically, it will be symbolically important that they handle particular parts of the assault themselves, rather than rely on outsiders.
Was the Admiral's Ship a Galaxy Class?
What about Admiral Ross was he on a Galaxy Class Star Ship?
I already seen it on Dvd long ago
2309 WAS A GREAT YEAR! DRINK UP!!!
What is the Admiral's Ship a Galaxy Class? Probably a Galaxy Class unlickly to be anything else.
At one point at least, Ross used the Intrepid class USS Bellerophon as his flagship
@@markmullins8622 Do you know what ship Admiral Ross was on?
1:17 - how do you see that and don't think it is stupid.
Lol they used footage from ST VI with the Klingons 😅😅
Why are the battles in Star Trek always dogfights. Surely the capital ships would fight in battle lines.
Not the Battle of Wolf 359.
The reality however, Cardassian weapons were significantly weaker than Breen. No way they could have one-shotted any of their ships.
I'm not debating, but just to offer an idea to make that power dynamic acceptable, there was probably plenty of incentive for the Cardassans to up their firepower potential as their enemies inched closer to the homeworld, either by their own ingenuity or by Dominion 'assistance'. Also, allow for the idea that the Founders would share all shield frequencies among their ships/across their fleet, I mean, why would one Dominion ship dare fire on another? ; )
@@jkeelsnc Exactly, that too. And, it's been some time since I watch the entire Breen-entering-the-Dominion arc, but I dont think their ships are state of the art. They're little more than mysterious privateers. They have a clever weapon yes, but they're not untouchable.
At this time the battle has probably been going on for hours and Breen shields were probably drained from the fighting.
Cardassian ships were upgraded by Dominion weaponry/technology. That was well discussed in series and other media around it.
@@thomasomahony5973 Dominion had weaponry that could breach shields. This explains why the ships get killed easier. Per lore, both Cardassian and Breen ships would have been upgraded to include this weaponry.
Why hasn't anyone made a Star Trek flying combat game? Star Wars has Rogue Squadron, Rogue Leader, the Starfighter Assault mode in Star Wars: Battlefront II, and even the space battles in LEGO Star Wars: The Skywalker Saga are pretty good. But nothing like that for Star Trek that I know of.
Star Trek Armada
@@CCthe13th That's an RTS, not a flying combat game like the games I just listed. Completely different from what I'd want from a Star Trek game.
@@Aurik-Kal-Durin Indeed you are correct. Do you know of the game Star Trek Deep Space 9 Dominion War (2001).? If not you might take a look.
04:02 Come back here you bully. Some friends of mine want to talk to you.
Always disappointed where the final biggest battle was just a bunch of reused recycled clips throughout the series.
Also what’s the deal with the “extra” guy in the background at 3:34 not even looking at the control pad as he was clearly was faking pushing buttons.
Is that a Sovereign class at 1:16?
I will look
No no Sovereign Class.
The only thing that stunk about this battle was the reused clips, I would rather they just have scenes on the bridge talking about it then reshow those clips. It came off kind of lazy.
star war is a story
The ships wouldnt be that close.
Nog was NO JADZIA at the helm.
Give him a break...he's 22 by the series finale, Jadzia alone was about 33 when she died, never mind the symbiote which carried almost 400 years worth of memories and experience including at least one lifetime professional pilot.
Hey. The kid did splendidly.
Hey! He was good enough to get the job done! 'Nuff said!
Chancellor Martok propably the Negvar
Martok preferred to use the Bird of Prey Rotarin as his main ship as from what i read he didnt like the big Negh'Var class as too slow and bulky.
@@Colin_ Oh right.
@@Colin_ yes it wasn't very Remouvable
It was Probably the Negvar he was on.
Kept thinking of the Kardashians?
One thing i hate about the last battle was the fact that all the battle scenes are just the scenes from the previous batyles in ds9. The only new scene was the cardys joining in
Of course the issue with Nog “following the ship in front of him”, that lead ship ended up being commanded by Riker and they all wound up on Risa…
They needed some Sovereign Classes too. A Few Sovereign Classes would of made a difference.
Space battles sure are noisy in the place without sound.
Songs will be sung. As long as it's not Klingon opera, yuck.
The Dominion never was defeated. Their expeditionary force in the Alpha Quadrant lost all ground and the Founder agreed to surrender and retreat their forces back to the Gamma Quadrant.
It bothered me that they didn't include the Enterprise as it was the flagship of the federation. Didn't make sense. They didn't even have a single scene with Picard or Riker. Also, why didn't they have a small scene showing the Cardassians deciding to switch sides instead of a cop out explanation.
DS9 was boring in the first 2 seasons.
No it wasn't
Religion and terrorists. Blah blah blah. Boring. Killed the show
DS9 in the last season was a huge disappointment, 8 episodes of victor fontane,a holographic night club owner.the stories weren't even that good.the dominion war took a back seat thruout until the last 4 episodes.ive haven't watched it again since.
If the kardashians lost 140 million and 80 million of them were women and children that were slaughtered by the gym Hadar how many did the federation lose how many cling on's died how many rhymes in the brain were they ever punished for sticking their nose in
All lower life forms love watching the devastation and carnage of wars... Real or fake...
FBO FKH FJB...
True. Especially when they have nothing to lose.
what?