Okay this is actually a really good discussion to have especially when Drake was antagonizing Kendrick to “drop drop drop.” Kendrick has to actually write his lyrics
Drake hasn't been a "rapper" for a while, maybe ever. He came to prominence as an RnB artist mixed with delivery style of rap. Over time, as he tried to plant himself in American culture, he morphed into a "softened" version of a rapper. Whereas conventional rappers use rap as a medium to channel darker aspect of reality in music form (racism, gangster violence, domestic abuse), he is *emulating* those characteristics. So he is by definition a highly engineered product of the music industry, something more acceptable to sell as regulation agencies caught on in the "Aftermath" of gangsta rap genre. This deconstruction and filtering of gangsta rap made it much easier to sell to teenagers, without all the baggage of controversies it generated in the 90s. It was all a pretense, trying to seem tough, acting like he "reps" "his people" in the ghettos of America...while being a Canadian. He NEEDS ghost writers, he has no idea how else to relate/sell records. Kendrick hit him hard on this point and before all the pedo allegations, that was Kendrick's main gripe against Drake. It's pointless to even debate "who won" in Kendrick vs Drake beef, when they are not even in the same "profession". Kendrick might not be a "professional gangsta", but he at least understands the culture in which rap evolved and became the massive industry it is now. Drake is more of suburban family's idea of what a rapper "should be", a manageable "tough guy".
The Pulitzer really tells you all you need to know. It's fully deserved. Kendrick's lyrics are so complex that an hour-long video is sometimes not enough to analyze a 5 minute song with all its metaphors and symbolism. Even just the number "6.16" has like half a dozen meanings ranging from pracical to mystical, the latter of which comments on both Kendrick and the beef as a whole. I'd give anything to hear his thought process as he's writing, because his mind is something else. Not all music needs to be so multi-layered that you need a degree to analyze it, even Kendrick admitted he likes Drake's casual songs. But saying the two are equal in depth or skill required just shows that you're either delusional, or don't understand poetry and art.
Bro, that's exactly what I've been thinking. Some say that it's okay if the girls are okay with it. REALLY? I don't think people are really honest. They don't really care about these things unless it happens close to them man.
You can’t judge a diss when someone else writes the lyrics this isn’t R&B or pop. If someone writes your diss track those are not your words, those are not your feelings, that is not your life that your spitting
The true representation of what we're seeing is the representation of the art of hip-hop vs the music industry machine. An artist that creates compared to an artist that is created.
After that.. The Actual Line is...Yeah Cole Aubrey known Im selfish/ The crown is heavy..I pray they my Real friends.. if Not ..Im YNW Melly........... wow😮
Unlike other genres the main skill in hip-hop is lyricism! Using ghost writers in hip-hop specifically ruins the art bc it isn't your skill on display. This is why ppl respect freestyling, it's a display of your wit and wordplay.
The next line is where Kendrick names this alleged Ghost writer, BEAM and when it comes to someone else writing your material I think it needs to be judged on oh much it effects your legacy? Drake wasn't the first nor the last to use writers or be a writer but does this impact his legacy?
Specific to a rap battle though, don’t you think it really matters? Especially when we don’t know for sure if you’re the one writing the bars? How can we even assess the disses and give you credit for them, you know?
If its constant, then you're not really a rap or hiphop artist. You're an rnb/pop artist that can rap. That should be a separate designation or artists like that.
I think it depends. If we're judging based on a scale of disses, then I think drake would still be in charge of coming up wit those topics. But if it's about lyrical genius and the flow and skill of the lyrics, then I don't think it's a fair fight. But I'm pretty sure kendrick still won lol. Having ghost writers and not beating someone in a rap battle isn't a good sign.
So without a doubt Kendrick absolutely merc'd drake and there is a whole host of reasons you can make fun of or dislike drake for but I actually really am not a fan of Kendrick calling Drake a predator. I mean if Kendrick has receipts thats one thing and I absolutely hate pedophiles and predators that take advantage of young kids, they are literally some of the worst people on the planet. But I genuinely believe that Drake reaching out to some of the younger stars blowing up was out of a desire to protect them. People always seem to forget Drake grew up as a child star and probably witnessed all sorts of heinous shit that predators were doing to desprate kids hoping to make it big and are naive enough to think most people are there to help instead of use them. I mean we haven't heard one person come out and say he behaved inappropriately and there are plenty of other examples of older guys trying to protect kids. Justin Bieber is another one who (for a long time I really disliked as a person) but he went through all sorts of abuse and cohersion while being force fed drugs and when Billy Eilish was blowing up he went out of his way to help protect her from all of the horrible shit he went through as a huge star in his early teens and 20s.. Maybe im the one who's naive and he was a predator but im really hoping that he was trying to help protect people and not use them.
While I appreciate all you wrote, all of that is a best case scenario speculation. I’m sure you know an alternative case could easily be made that is devious and tracks with his numerous questionable relationship with girls-forming relationships with underaged girls then dating them as soon as they turn 18? Drake is on record, in 4k telling a 17 year old that he enjoyed how her breasts felt AFTER she just told him she was 17. This is a rap beef, so I don’t put much stock in the veracity of the lines because it comes with the format,.
Did you see the clip from Drakes concert where he was grinding a 17 yo and kissed her neck and then asked how old she was and was still licking his lips and being weird??? Didja miss that??? Yeah look at the comment up… Aubrey is dirty…
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The answer has always been "You Dont". Whoever uses ghostwriters it's automatically the loser.
Okay this is actually a really good discussion to have especially when Drake was antagonizing Kendrick to “drop drop drop.” Kendrick has to actually write his lyrics
Very good point to raise
This a long life battle with yourself
@@xr-cl6sr most important line on the song
Drake hasn't been a "rapper" for a while, maybe ever. He came to prominence as an RnB artist mixed with delivery style of rap. Over time, as he tried to plant himself in American culture, he morphed into a "softened" version of a rapper. Whereas conventional rappers use rap as a medium to channel darker aspect of reality in music form (racism, gangster violence, domestic abuse), he is *emulating* those characteristics. So he is by definition a highly engineered product of the music industry, something more acceptable to sell as regulation agencies caught on in the "Aftermath" of gangsta rap genre. This deconstruction and filtering of gangsta rap made it much easier to sell to teenagers, without all the baggage of controversies it generated in the 90s.
It was all a pretense, trying to seem tough, acting like he "reps" "his people" in the ghettos of America...while being a Canadian. He NEEDS ghost writers, he has no idea how else to relate/sell records. Kendrick hit him hard on this point and before all the pedo allegations, that was Kendrick's main gripe against Drake.
It's pointless to even debate "who won" in Kendrick vs Drake beef, when they are not even in the same "profession". Kendrick might not be a "professional gangsta", but he at least understands the culture in which rap evolved and became the massive industry it is now. Drake is more of suburban family's idea of what a rapper "should be", a manageable "tough guy".
I just want to say thank you for taking the time to write out something this thorough for the community to see 🙏
This is a damn near perfect take on drake's role in hip hop😮
The Pulitzer really tells you all you need to know. It's fully deserved. Kendrick's lyrics are so complex that an hour-long video is sometimes not enough to analyze a 5 minute song with all its metaphors and symbolism. Even just the number "6.16" has like half a dozen meanings ranging from pracical to mystical, the latter of which comments on both Kendrick and the beef as a whole. I'd give anything to hear his thought process as he's writing, because his mind is something else. Not all music needs to be so multi-layered that you need a degree to analyze it, even Kendrick admitted he likes Drake's casual songs. But saying the two are equal in depth or skill required just shows that you're either delusional, or don't understand poetry and art.
Well put 🙏
He emulates, imitates and appropriates everthing in every way. Embarrassing AF !!
This should have disqualified Drake from any kind of talk of calling himself #1. But for some reason everyone just let it slide.
People are dancing to Not Like Us in Disneyworld… no one thinks he’s #1 anymore
@@malachitownsley yeah ik but he shouldn’t have been taken so seriously in the first place when he said it. Especially in the industry.
Not everyone…
It’s not even a battle it’s just a L for Drake.
Lmao 💀
When you got people still being a fan of a guy who’s known for liking little girls n having ghost writers tell you all you need to know about people
Bro, that's exactly what I've been thinking. Some say that it's okay if the girls are okay with it. REALLY?
I don't think people are really honest. They don't really care about these things unless it happens close to them man.
You can’t judge a diss when someone else writes the lyrics this isn’t R&B or pop. If someone writes your diss track those are not your words, those are not your feelings, that is not your life that your spitting
My thoughts exactly
Drake stole the looks too!
Doesn't matter either way, quick decisive blows by Dot every time he dropped.
That’s true, Kendrick neutralized him
My favorite line in euphoria
The most controversial line you said was “lets have a sensible conversation in the comments section”
Lmao 💀💀💀💀💀 can’t I hope and dream of a civilized comment section with less Stan takes and more reason/logic?
@@SensibleTakes we can all hope lol
Good point sir
It’s crazy because you’ll get Drake fans defending anything-would love to see how they defend this
Thank you 🙏
You have stated the one point that no one else wants to touch. Well, you and Kendrick ...
@@user-xz9rp5pr5u I just can’t see a way around this discussion when it comes to battling, especially because it involved lyricism
This flew under no radar
It was noticed by anyone with ears. Shit, even Hellen Keller heard that bar
I meant the discussion, bringing in Hellen Keller is diabolical 💀💀💀💀
The true representation of what we're seeing is the representation of the art of hip-hop vs the music industry machine. An artist that creates compared to an artist that is created.
This is Mos definitely a hot 🔥 take 🥵
After that.. The Actual Line is...Yeah Cole Aubrey known Im selfish/ The crown is heavy..I pray they my Real friends.. if Not ..Im YNW Melly........... wow😮
🔥
Ken with the pen for the win…💯💯💯
👻 face Aubrey only catching Ls frfr
Unlike other genres the main skill in hip-hop is lyricism! Using ghost writers in hip-hop specifically ruins the art bc it isn't your skill on display. This is why ppl respect freestyling, it's a display of your wit and wordplay.
Damnnnn I missed that
Drakes gonna have to change genders to country.
Lol bruh 💀
The next line is where Kendrick names this alleged Ghost writer, BEAM and when it comes to someone else writing your material I think it needs to be judged on oh much it effects your legacy? Drake wasn't the first nor the last to use writers or be a writer but does this impact his legacy?
Specific to a rap battle though, don’t you think it really matters? Especially when we don’t know for sure if you’re the one writing the bars? How can we even assess the disses and give you credit for them, you know?
If its constant, then you're not really a rap or hiphop artist. You're an rnb/pop artist that can rap. That should be a separate designation or artists like that.
@@kaydee1485 I agree
Kendrick won thats all there is to it.
I agree
I think it depends. If we're judging based on a scale of disses, then I think drake would still be in charge of coming up wit those topics. But if it's about lyrical genius and the flow and skill of the lyrics, then I don't think it's a fair fight. But I'm pretty sure kendrick still won lol. Having ghost writers and not beating someone in a rap battle isn't a good sign.
Lmao that last sentence 💀
Lol, we're giving props for coming up with topics now?
@@kaydee1485 lmao you ain’t have to say it like that 💀💀💀💀
It’s like jumping someone and still losing the fight 😂🤣😂
I’ve been saying this!!!!!
That’s what am saying how he beat meek then if he didn’t write his rap and they banded meek mill out Canada
#BOYCOTT#BBLDRIZZY#NOPEDO
So without a doubt Kendrick absolutely merc'd drake and there is a whole host of reasons you can make fun of or dislike drake for but I actually really am not a fan of Kendrick calling Drake a predator. I mean if Kendrick has receipts thats one thing and I absolutely hate pedophiles and predators that take advantage of young kids, they are literally some of the worst people on the planet. But I genuinely believe that Drake reaching out to some of the younger stars blowing up was out of a desire to protect them. People always seem to forget Drake grew up as a child star and probably witnessed all sorts of heinous shit that predators were doing to desprate kids hoping to make it big and are naive enough to think most people are there to help instead of use them. I mean we haven't heard one person come out and say he behaved inappropriately and there are plenty of other examples of older guys trying to protect kids. Justin Bieber is another one who (for a long time I really disliked as a person) but he went through all sorts of abuse and cohersion while being force fed drugs and when Billy Eilish was blowing up he went out of his way to help protect her from all of the horrible shit he went through as a huge star in his early teens and 20s.. Maybe im the one who's naive and he was a predator but im really hoping that he was trying to help protect people and not use them.
While I appreciate all you wrote, all of that is a best case scenario speculation. I’m sure you know an alternative case could easily be made that is devious and tracks with his numerous questionable relationship with girls-forming relationships with underaged girls then dating them as soon as they turn 18? Drake is on record, in 4k telling a 17 year old that he enjoyed how her breasts felt AFTER she just told him she was 17. This is a rap beef, so I don’t put much stock in the veracity of the lines because it comes with the format,.
Interesting take
Did you see the clip from Drakes concert where he was grinding a 17 yo and kissed her neck and then asked how old she was and was still licking his lips and being weird??? Didja miss that???
Yeah look at the comment up… Aubrey is dirty…
he still won bro 😭😭
Lol which is the ironic part
If y’all don’t think Kendrick has writers y’all trippin. Every rapper in the industry has multiple people write songs with them
This is a flat out lie, come on please stop trying to put forth your wishes as facts.