AA Cult Vs NA Cult
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 เม.ย. 2022
- I once touched upon the topic of the major difference between Celebrate Recovery and AA. This week, I thought I would share my experiences with the NA and AA cults. The funniest attitudes of MY CULT RELIGION IS BETTER THAN YOURS !
30 years ago I went to AA and NA, neither fellowships had anything good to say about the other. Another thing they have in common is that a room full of people who can’t run their own life want to tell you how to run your life. They also know better then doctors, lawyers and Indian chiefs. I just got tired of being around immature people, I have a great grownup life today because I left AA.
LMFAO!!!!!!
I really got a hoot out of your assessment of
“The program” & all it’s factoid Fuc’ed in the head disingenuous members who never graduate from their own labyrinth’s of lunacy &
factoid driven principles.
They practice it all in everything they do!!
Couldn’t you tell??
LMAO yet again!!!
You know what I mean??
Yeah I thought my substance abuse as a teen stunted me socially, but going to twelve step groups in my early 20s really compounded that while letting me think it helped.
What religion is AA affiliated with? You said about 80 times that AA is a religious cult. What religion do they have you follow?
It has been classified as a religion in several high profile cases that made it illegal to force people to go there. So don't play that argument from ignorance horseshit here.
AA has failed miserably to live up to its claim of “Spiritual, not Religious.”
Six of the Twelve Steps (50%) are god-focused, directly or by obvious inference:
Step 2. “… a Power greater than …” (Euphemism for God)
Step 3. “… God as we understood Him.” (Morphed into “as I understand Him)
Step 5. “Admitted to God …“
Step 6. “… to have God remove …”
Step 7. “… asked Him …” (Euphemism for God)
Step 11. “… God as we understood Him …”
It is clear that the Steps are intended to bring followers to a God. And all gods demand, directly or indirectly, worship i.e. prayers. Prayers are closely related to religion. Praying is a religious act.
With the Steps as “the way to sobriety” it is not surprising that AA can’t define “Spiritual” in secular/nonreligious terms.
Multiple courts, including U.S. District courts, have ruled that Alcoholics Anonymous is religious. Because of the U.S. Constitution’s separation of Church (religion) and State (secular) where these rulings apply, no governmental body may force attendance at AA meetings, in any manner.
The twelve steps state "Him" with a capital "H" multiple times. Many people have tried to convince me that the "Him" can be any "higher power" including the "universe."
Bill W. and Bob were members of the Oxford Group, a Christian fundamentalist group that praised Adolf Hilter and supported the Nazis during the war. Their leader Frank Buchman, said he one day wanted to see a worldwide dictatorship of men under God control.
AA says that if you do not "conform to their way of life, you sign your own death warrant"
AA is a religion unto itself.
@@JosephMakem they follow Wilsonism. It’s a made up religion of Bill Wilson, in the same way Joseph Smith, L. Ron Hubert and many others in America have started their own business, oh I mean religion. Power and money baby, Hubert once said, “If you want to get rich start a religion. Hope that clears things up for you. Have a nice day and thanks for sharing.
The biggest loser in the room was the most important, I walked in once with new trainers and the chair outed me for my ‘fashion ego’ infront of everybody. My soul is Intact now I’m free from the rooms
Omg, you serious? I only been in AA for a month, and already 😂noticed the bull sh*t. Someone did mention "wow, how can you afford so many air jordans". Haha, it was odd
Comical indeed. I too never realized I could just leave AA. I was guaranteed that I would end up in jail or prison, institutionalized, or dead just because I stopped going to meetings. I still can't believe I was so gullible to believe that nonsense. Actually, I was just so desperate to simply stop drinking. When I finally left AA, and was certain that I was doomed, then, and only then was I able to get and stay sober. Comical indeed...
Yeah the irony is amazing. An organization that is SUPPOSED to be dedicated to helping people quit drinking, makes their problems 100 times worse.
Did they ice you out after you left? The fellowship? I left and have been iced out but Idc lol
Yeah ive had that terrible paranoia from leaving that im doomed too. Even though i know better consciously.
That's the narcissistic brainwashing. Its a very evil cult.
Im convinced Bill W was a primo narcissist and AA was a way to abuse his wife even in sobriety and for him to abuse a web of people.
In the Big Book he says someone committed suicide in his house "because he couldn't or wouldn't see our way of life." But then IMMEDIATELY he says "its all so much fun!"
I believe he was evil personally.
@diabloakland Having done the steps with a sponsor and eased out of meetings over the years bcuz I had more stuff to read in Spanish, (especially after going to meetings in Spain and seeing how much less popular the book is in Spanish lol) , I prefer that those ppl leave me alone while I live my best life. Unless they want to hear about my Higher power, Good Wizard (G-d for short) who says in Austin 3: 11-14
"The Most High does not ask for our praise,
12) But that in His name the magic plant be blazed
13) Spread the Word how Harry Potter freed a slave.
14) WIll we then follow the example others’ prophets gave?"
A huge red flag for me now with any type of individual is how much their talk does not match their walk. Often, they will talk incessantly about how much empathy they have or what good people they are. But they have nothing to show for that. They never have any results.
That is SO true. And usually the ones that talk about that the most are the ones who have none.
I spent a lots of time in NA they are filled with predators. Most of the time I felt like a pray in those meetings. I was so uncomfortable but I was told that's my ego. I thought that something was really wrong with me since the anxiety was killing me while attending the meetings. They told me it will stop after a while. 6 years later it just got worse. Of cause they were blaming it on me. I was just uncomfortable with a huge amount of predators in my close vicinity. I am hiper vigilant when they are around me. Some didn't even hide it.
Me too! Men three themselves at me and i was forced to go right out of high school
Yes your trauma and legitimate fight/flight/freeze/fawn response to those sick rooms, is referred to as your ego. Man, those Freud/Young men did a number on psychology did they? It's all being debunked now.
Even as a guy, it was super creepy. I went to my neighbor because I knew he was in AA and he agreed to be my sponsor. I forget which step it is, but the one where you confess to a member and God. All he wanted to know about was sexual details about my life. To prompt me, he told me that he and his wife used to have threesomes with other guys. That day was it for me, I quit. Just too creepy and seemed like he was fishing for things that could be leveraged against me.
That is exactly what they will do. Find out anything they can, and then gossip about it.
I can only imagine, a young pretty girl 👧 in a NA room, all those creeps eye balling you 😢
You got it right! Behind an Applebee's dumpster, spooning a dead racoon. Depending on the severity of how I want the story, I'll add if it was rabid or not. 😀
🤣🤣🤣
Near the end, that shit was gold. 😂 Have you ever thought of doing stand-up?
I've been in both "fellowships" I met good people in both of them the one thing these people had in common is that they didn't buy into the program at all and they eventually all left the cults.Also I remember one of my friends saying "NA where the men are fat and the women don't comb their hair " which is true.
I had forgotten that saying, but the second you quoted it here, I remembered. I DID hear that a lot. "Where women don't comb their hair and men are fat."
@@quackaholicsanonymous7210 These people clearly need mental health treatments.
"wait till the NA guy try.s a back rub during the Circle up WTF"
My absolute favorite part about your channel is
when you take us back to when you were in those meetings.
The descriptions and when you take over as the Groucho’s and say the nonsense they say is SPOT ON.
Question, how can I be nowhere near any AA meetings/groups as you or anyone else reading this or members, but have near identical experiences???
Even them bad rap song slogans…
Anyways, I crack up so hard as you walk us through AA and the alienation one honestly feels when they ain’t buying the poop sandwich any longer..
Hilarious, real stuff, agreed!!
It is funny, the old timers are always so quick to say, "Have you tried different meetings?" And I have heard people from all over the USA and the UK, that pretty much say the same things. It is almost like the cult religion creates the same toxic environment everywhere you go.
It’s so funny how there are regional differences with some of these stereotypes. For example, the NA I experienced in California was beyond insane. NA here in south Jersey, it seems like every share has to involve “I ended up with with a needle in my neck” or “I just couldn’t keep a crack pipe out of my mouth” or any variation of vulgarity 😂
Yep, I have lived in a few different states, and while the cult message and behaviors are identical, the vibes in the meetings are a bit different, when it comes to NA. AA was pretty much the same shit everywhere I went.
I remember I got into a very heated debate with an NA boyfriend about whether alcoholic or addict was better word to call oneself. I said that we were just playing a game of synonyms and using the word "alcoholic " or "addict" described NOTHING beyond which fellowship one had more allegiance to. It always amazed me how much they often hated each other and BOTH HATED AL ANON PEOPLE....LOL. Yikes it gives me the willies to remember.
And they hate if you don’t claim the name addict! I surpassed that I don’t wanna call myself something it is symbolic to stagnation for me. If others want to that’s fine. I call myself a former self medicator
Alanon people saved their life most of the time...Narcissists latch on to them until those poor people are dying too. And end up in Alanon.
The favoritism and cliques in AA. Tsk. High school never ends.
Speaking of NA members going to AA meetings, the group I went to there were always a couple members that would say in the story sharing part, 'Hi I am XXXX, and I am an addict.' I found it odd nobody would ever comment on anything they said, it was just onto the next speaker, and when the AA member spoke there were a lot of follow up comments. Until one day a very strung out, but very good looking gal came in and while good looking she was obviously coming off a huge meth binge, just the strung out look. She spoke towards the end about not sleeping for a week straight and there were like 5 comments all from men, and after the meeting everyone was coming up to her saying how brave she was, all dudes of course. I noticed after about 20 minutes her chaperone grabbed her by the arm and said they were going to be late. Never saw her again. LOL
AA: yeah, right. I’ve quit going to AA. Guess what? I actually feel so much better without AA. I have rejection issues anyway and when AA cliques would definitely let me know I wasn’t welcome to talk to them. It hurt! Then everybody started acting like that toward me. I haven’t had a drink in 37 years, but at 25 years sober I was 13th stepped. And when that ended I ets was suicidally depressed so when someone offered me a joint , I took it. Let’s just say I learned for myself why they call weed The Devils Lettice!! So I was stuck! I was t back in AA because I’d taken a drink, it was because I’d smoked extremely potent weed 5 tightly packed bowls per day. I’ve tried 4 AA home meetings with 2 different sponsors. I’ve attended well over 120 meetings in 120 days. In AA I found I was getting so much worse because I really wasn’t there for alcohol addiction, I was there for weed. I’ve been told NA people think if all you did was smoke weed you’re some sort of pantywaist because THEY were into more hard core drugs. So I’ve given up on AA completely and I can actually say I feel so much better now then when I attended AA. AA has something like a 5 percent recovery rate. I have a relationship with God the Father, God the Son (Jesus) and God the Hily Spirit and this really works. Prayer is so much better for me than “talking about it with snother alcoholic.!”)Also have heard a LOT of sketchy things about Bill w too. Involving seances, oija boards and the use of LSD. Also, according to certain reports, Bill W’s favorite step was the 13 th Step.
The biggest difference I found is the level of profanity used in NA meetings. Usually really aggressive extraverts with foul mouths in NA.
I was told in NA not to use AA lingo. I was told that would be like coming into somebody's house and not following their rules. In other words disrespectful...lol. But to me, all of it was exactly the same. Sober or clean it insinuates the exact same thing. There is a sort of "cold war" going on between the two fellowships.
Luckily never had a drug problem. For me it was all about drinking. NA isn’t big in my area so allot of people would just go to AA. Old timers of course would always lose it once someone started talking about drugs
I was in a meeting one time and someone mentioned drugs, one of the people told him that he didn't belong there and to find a na meeting, I've never understood the distinction between one substance or another, but obviously some people think that they are morally superior for choosing the socially acceptable drug.
@@David-eu1ms I can vividly remember the looks of disgust as I sat broken in an AA meeting because I was told it doesn't matter what substance you use a meetings a meeting.
Quickly found that to be a lie the minute I mentioned my problems where valium heroin and other prescription medication.
@@David-eu1ms~Yes, i had that same thing happen to me~I left in tears, as i did several different meetings, before realizing they did more harm than good~
actually, ive seen drug addicts who act superior to "common drunks", also been to NA meetings where it was mentioned that it was disrespectful for people to introduce themselves as an alcoholic at an NA meeting, but to me, that is just individual egos looking for any reason to find fault, argue or feel better than & not the fault of NA or AA as a whole.
i have met people who if it weren't for AA&NA
they would have gone on to hurt or kill victims of their crimes &/or plain craziness.
I left NA. I couldn't stand the rooms anymore. It depressed the hell out of me. It made me want to take drugs even more. I can get and stay clean on my own.
It seems very hopeless to spend the rest of your life obsessing about something you used to do, and talk about how you can not do it. Staying away from alcohol without those meetings is so much more freeing, because I can put that addiction in the rearview mirror and just live.
@@quackaholicsanonymous7210 Did you get sober without the help of AA?
I was in AA for over 11 years. During that time, I was labeled a "chronic relapser" was told that "I just thought I was too smart and was probably going to die" picked up thousands of white chips, and never could get more than a couple of months.
Since leaving AA, I have successfully stopped drinking and stayed off of alcohol for a number of years. No 12 steps, sponsors, or higher power needed.
This was great! As always so much truth here Vic!
Thanks.
Great video Thank you NA/AA are a cult ❤
You know this
You’re the best 🎉
After listening to a few of your shares It really got me thinking about different AA groups I have attended. I think it just depends on the local group itself as to groupspeak and what will fly without being shut down by a puppet master oldster. Your descriptions of the old timer sponsers sounds like it's straight out of the eighties when I was young and got my first AA exposure. Back then if you said pot in an AA meeting a shoe might come flying across the room. If you said dope the old timers would tar and feather you hilariously well. It seems way more tolerant to me today but that's just my experience. Others have been on the receiving end of wackerdoodle old timer abuse and lived to tell about it. It's a jungle out here.
I also found out I’m not an addict. Turns out forcing a kid out of high school to go to meetings n rehab a couple years later around ppl who’ve used heroin will make that kid more likely to try drugs. I literally was a saint when i. Was forced in lmao. But now i have free Weill, accountability, and self control from not being gaslit by psychos who want me to keep their cult growing
Can relate to this although I did have issues with heroin. I'm 28 and heard in a meeting I've been using longer than some of you in here have been alive, go out and get a real habit and then come back.
So when it was time to share from the body of the hall i stated that I was just coming in to let him know since I've only been smoking heroin the entire 8 years of using it and never injected I'm going to go out and get a real habit like you. Got up and left lol.
Doubt he felt any sort of remorse for it as they take joy in seeing people relapse because the old "I told you so self-righteousness comes out full force"
Stay strong 💪🏽 🤘, you got this. U don't need toxic ppl helping u. Sounds like you're very smart and independent
"There is one piece of literature from AA expressly written for women, a thin brochure titled “A.A. for the Woman.” It contains is a list of reasons why women drink heavily. It asks women: “Do you plan in advance to reward yourself with a little drinking after you’ve worked very hard in the house?” …
…Needless to say, there is no pamphlet “AA for the Man.” Why would that be needed when the Big Book is already all about men? So let me get this straight. Women are supposed to read the AA Big Book because it’s also about them - they’re not unique. But there’s one tiny pamphlet just for women because women are different, albeit it only in trivial, superficial ways". - Juliet Abram
The biggest problem with AA in my opinion is that nobody is really a trained professional in anything. Especially sponsors, they just sort of wing it as they go along. I had a sponsor once who was extremely controlling. And he would use fear mongering saying that I would relapse if i didn't do the steps with him. And also don't get me started with the chicks that attend these meetings, they might have 5 years sober time but the moment a new guy comes into the room they will flirt so you would convert to this cult lol. It happened to me cause I was new and I was vulnerable and i didn't know any better. I have stayed sober for just over 3 years mostly without AA or any kind of 12 step program, but because I had called AA a cult they told everyone that i relapsed and to stay away from me. They are extremely dangerous and they are energy vampires. After a while you will be so busy making coffee, doing steps, attending zoom meetings, special events you will literally not have time to do anything else. Steer Clear lol
I was in Co Dependents Anonymous 26 years ago. The most arrogant full of themselves, blowhards were those that came over from AA. They often told the same story, word for word, over and over again. Personalities came before principles, and cliques were quite noticeable. What was heard there, and seen there did not stay there, most people there gossiped once they left the meeting. I have had people in AA tell me I am an alcoholic, and I am a dry drunk and white knuckle it. Most people in AA I have known, simply switch addictions.
I rather be a dry drunk 😅than a creepy 13th stepper spending everyday in those dirty dingy rooms
NA is AA LITE! Young whatever’s playing socializing till they get some more misery. I was 21 and stark raving sober. I still stayed with my AA group. Actually AA had a lot of young ones. Treatment kids. I got nothing mind blowing. It was what it was. I can’t set in another downer meeting. Thanks for your channel. I can relate.
I was mainly in NA after rehab because their meetings were more available when I left and I was heroin addict. I found NA to have less judgemental religious type people and was a lot more relaxed but you met a lot more weird people, not the good kind of weird either. The best case scenario for an NA meeting isn’t that far off from how you see 12 step meetings in movies, it’s just a chill group of people talking about their life/trying to stay sober in a circle and smoking some cigarettes together after.
The worst case for an NA group is just as culty and wacko as any AA meeting you’ve ever been to but with really weird neurotic people. I guess it’s cause it’s the most laid back but I can’t stress enough how NA attracts all the easiest people to make fun of. I’m not even trying to be rude but I can’t describe it any other way
Actually I know what you mean. It is really hard for me to explain it or put my finger on it.
I totally agree and know exactly what you are saying just can’t put in the words neither 😂😂
People actually think that 12 steps groups are like in movies or series like "Mom". They are NOT!
~As an ex meth user, i think many people do meth cuz its the street version of Adderall, which is commonly prescribed for ADHD & autism, etc.~I think many people drawn to meth are on the spectrum, and are self-medicating~Neurodivergent people are often seen as weird or neurotic~However, cocaine people are more often neurotypical~
The word "clean" is used to imply that if you don't follow their programming you are dirty. They themselves refer to it as a "program". Some of us are not easily programmed and that pisses them off. Thanks for your honesty and BTW it was Gertrude Stein who said "a rose is a rose is a rose"....
Thanks for that info
I went to NA for 6 years. In Sydney, Australia, everyone in NA would step around bragging about how much jail time they had up. If you hadn’t done prison time (me) you didn’t rate a mention in the cliques. NA talked about the “other fellowship “ whereas AA didn’t mention anything. The badasses tend to occupy NA here.
What I find interesting with everything you say is how you've never went to a cocaine anonymous meeting yet its the exact same stuff I find when I go. CA is the dominant brand of cult in my area, I've been to NA and although they aren't as bad with the religious bulllshit etc. It really doesn't matter what "fellowship" it is they're all the exact same at the root.
So glad I've found your videos as I was starting to lose the fight and put down my own instincts and started to believe I was "insane" as I'm constantly told. If I was insane I'd have been sectioned as I've dealt with psychologists since primary school, high school then prison 😂
Feels good getting the power within myself back in my life, the one I'm told I don't have constantly lol.
I understand all too well. I thought for a VERY long time, that I was the one that was crazy. I would leave meetings WAY more depressed than when I got there. I was filled with internalized self-loathing, rage, depression ALL the time. Then would relapse and get even more insults from those bastards.
It is on youtube, but check out 13th Step , a Film By Monica Richardson here on TH-cam. It exposes so much. :)
There was also a website called Orange Papers that really helped me out, but, it is unfortunately down right now.
NA is the only 12 Step substance use fellowship that doesn't use the aa big book for the steps which is where the rivalry comes about.
Expose the AA cult!
Thank you
I went to NA for years. It sucked!!!! It made my depression worse.
Ah man you killed me with the aristocrat part 😂😂😂
In England there's the odd old timer that's a hardcore single fellowship person, but I gotta say most of what your chatting about is completely the opposite of my own experience after being a regular to all of the main fellowships.
Yes there been the odd meeting that's abut clicky,
Yes I left a meeting or two
For my own reasons but
To anyone reading this who hasn't visited a meeting for whatever reason and feels you want to try please don't let this man's experiences, obvious resentments put you off, this is a genuine life saving program in whichever fellowship or fellowships you choose,
There is a solution and it's here in these meetings
"To anyone reading this who hasn't visited a meeting for whatever reason and feels you want to try please don't let this man's experiences, obvious resentments put you off, this is a genuine life saving program in whichever fellowship or fellowships you choose, "
To anyone reading this who hasn't visited a meeting for whatever reason. Google the documentary 13th Step. Google the New Hampshire Podcast from NPR about sexual abuse of vulnerable women where it was an open secret. Look up the abuses that take place in Drug Court.
Please look up the Orange Papers, where it demonstrates that AA has killed far more people than it has harmed. Here are some helpful links :
NPR Series :
th-cam.com/video/MuDI5ev_ZRw/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=PBSNewsHour
Monica Richardson 13th Step Film
th-cam.com/video/-iUd6qZRSi8/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=MonicaRichardson
Consider Checking out the Book US of AA :
www.amazon.com/US-AA-Hijacked-Science-Alcoholism/dp/1613739273
Consider Reading the Book, The Sober Truth :
www.amazon.com/Sober-Truth-Debunking-Programs-Industry/dp/0807035874/ref=pd_bxgy_d_sccl_1/146-9250971-1014043?pd_rd_w=orc4r&content-id=amzn1.sym.101c7dca-f8ef-4330-838b-ed6e9ebb9e52&pf_rd_p=101c7dca-f8ef-4330-838b-ed6e9ebb9e52&pf_rd_r=6VR25SBN9N9T5JV3NTYE&pd_rd_wg=rKV15&pd_rd_r=83d72a37-fffb-4959-b271-0cd95af72b45&pd_rd_i=0807035874&psc=1
It might not be your personal experience, Darren, but as someone in England with extensive experience of all kinds of meetings all over the country, there are hundreds of meetings with mainly hardcore old timers who are very much about the single fellowship. Victor's videos provide hope for the thousands upon thousands of people all over the world who have been seriously let down by the fellowships, the meetings, the programme and the members. Bill Wilson thought the fact that 95% of those coming forward for help were not helped was dreadful and an issue that the Fellowships should focus on. Why don't you do that, instead of worrying about external criticism. Crack on with fixing the problems in your own fellowships, and stop turning a blind eye to the many abusive and unhelpful practices that go on all around you.
I remember AA always, always bragging how much better than NA that they were
I tried NA to get clean so many times, and I never ever could get into it. It feels really weird in those rooms. I got clean on my own and now I’m nearly 4 years clean.
@@SiloKybe Same here. Those rooms are depressing as f##k. I had to get away from them. I can stay away from drugs on my own. Don't need rooms and steps to do it.
Interesting that you couldnt or
Didn’t quit drinking until you left aa. That’s a hell of a message for anybody listening that’s had the same experience of heavy drinking but left aa. I’m hearing from Victor that you might have better success now that you are free from the step cult . I had quit for decades of non drinking but continued a wasted life in aa. None of what I was brainwashed in believing in aa has happened. I’m still not a drinker and I haven’t died drunk or gone to jail, or ended up in prison. I didn’t having migraine headaches since I left. It’s great not talking cult speak.
ok i went to na aa and ca it did save my life the steps saved my life fortunatly i couldnt stop using and didnt know why ,i found the answers in the steps they are a design for living
thats were you get well hopefully you are funny thou watever works for you hope you enjoy your journey would be fun to meet you in a meeting speakig your truth😆
I would have to disagree that the steps are a design for living. Telling people that they are "powerless" due to some "spiritual disease" and that there is no possible cure except to surrender to a higher power, and then proceed to do inventory about all your negative traits to reinforce this belief is a terrible prescription to give people that are suffering from addiction. Empowerment and not powerless is my idea.
I get you have been told this, and if you find it helpful, that's great. But the Steps are meant to make you better fit to be of service to God. AA literature is absolutely explicit that this is the true purpose of AA. That's fine if it is what you want, but you can see, I hope, that it has nothing much to do with drinking. If drinking was caused by a spiritual malady, then people wouldn't recover with no intervention at all - yet most people do. If powerlessness was a fact then people who had had a diagnosis wouldn't be able to drink moderately subsequently, yet thousands upon thousands do. To recruit to a "spiritual way of life" solely amongst people with a life threatening health condition is deceptive recruitment, surely?
I am so glad i left and more ppl are talking about this more! AA and NA and 12 step is dangerous
I have been 13th stepped, no one did ANYTHING except one man. This guy took my phone and called him so he had my number. This wonderful man made him delete it!!!!
Almost every women who gets in there gets harassed, 13th step etc. They all end up thinking it's their fault, they had a part in it because they were "sick". Say the "sick man prayer", forgive these predators, they are "sick".
The truth of the matter is NA AA SA CoDa Religion ect it might work for some of us better than others but it can't save you it can't save anyone the worst enemy we have lies within ourselves and we can't save ourselves we need saving the point is that GOD can! The love of others trying to help you comes straight from the big guy himself Love belongs to God you belong to God and God loves all of you❤❤❤❤
And for those who do not believe this sort of thing that are struggling with addiction? What happens to them? Would you insist they have a religious conversion ?
Talk to the hand Lmao
It IS funny. If I’m in pain, I’m going to take a pain pill!!
Also you gotta do some stand up comedy
SMART RECOVERY is science based. 😊
I've actually looked into this as I heard something about it in a rehab once and it was laughed off by the workers.
Found there's a smart meeting 20 mins on a train from my house. Like the 4 "steps" they talk about. I can't stand being told I'm a victim to a disease 24.7 and no matter what I do on my own I can't be trusted but I've to trust the people in meetings lol. "You've got to remember people are sick in meetings" then why have I to take every word they spout as gospel lol!!!!
Boom real WORDS
yes i think there talking about clean on the inside from drugs
Oooh, chips!
LOOOL
I used to go to NA. It sucks too!!!!
I always wanted to check out a sex aholics anonymously meeting out of curiosity, like do they count how many days since they got laid? Does god take away ther sex drive? Lol...like wtf...
Hehe, I never went to one of those, but now that you mention it, how does one have TOO much sex ? :)
13:40. YOU weren't the one who messed up anything. A predator was assessing you, and realized you wouldn't be a good target, and then narc raged. Churches and 12 step meetings and MLM's are full of their kind
Since watching your channel, you have given me SO many pointers on spotting these people and the games they play. Like literally, I have gotten to where I can practically SEE the games when they start. With co-workers, managers, neighbors etc. If people are truly armed about these people, they would know when to disengage at once.
@@quackaholicsanonymous7210 Honestly, that's truly one of the best compliments and testimonies I could receive. I am so glad. I'm going to continue to try and hit this issue from all angles going forward.
Oh my goodness!!! NA people!!!!
AA hates NA, ALON hates them both, NA hates AA. They all hate ALON.
hahahahah you are funny
NA has cliques too
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16
If that is what you believe. However, I do not.
You kinda talk like the guy from Everybody Loves Raymond
Italian background and from New Jersey probably :)
@@quackaholicsanonymous7210 hahaha that’s definitely it! Sorry to bombard you with comments i have adhd and don’t have my meds yet again so i forget and instead of rewrite i just do a new one 🤣
Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and the life, no one can come to the Father except through Him. John 14:6
I don't believe in Jesus. You quoting this horseshit to me, means about as much to me as some AA cult member quoting Bill W.
AA is not for everyone....that's obvious if you take the steps. Also not every meeting is AA text based and never is AA affiliated with any religion or dogma so 🤷 friend, maybe you just aren't alcoholic...and definitely I'd say you don't have any understanding of real 12 step recovery programs. Personality differences and opinions just aren't of any importance in the rooms, for alcoholics who suffer from the DISEASE of alcoholism..and really work the program. Many other populations benefit from 12 step recovery too. Everyone's welcome. Not sure why you felt you weren't but it sounds like a YOU problem rather than a 12 step program problem. Meetings are just one part of a three part program for alcoholics of AA 🎉🎉🎉
"AA is not for everyone....that's obvious if you take the steps."
Except I took the steps, multiple times, no one in AA ever suggested that it was not the only way. When the steps does not work for someone, AA members just tell you that you are not "willing" that you are "in denial" and other blame. If you quit drinking, AA gets all the credit. If you relapse, suddenly it is all your fault.
"Also not every meeting is AA text based and never is AA affiliated with any religion or dogma so"
Except I went to dozens upon dozens of different meetings, different states and different cities over the years. It is pretty much the same. Simply because AA does not lend itself to a religious institution does not change the fact that AA is a religion unto itself.They will talk endlessly about "moral shortcomings", confessions, surrender to God, and religion. The literature says, " Our real purpose is to fit ourselves to be of maximum service to God "Bill W wrote that if the AA member does not conform to the AA way of life, that he signs his own death warrant.
" friend, maybe you just aren't alcoholic...and definitely I'd say you don't have any understanding of real 12 step recovery programs. "
First AA tells you that only you can decide if you are a real alcoholic, then it accuses everyone of not being a real alcoholic to begin with. Funny, when I struggled in AA, most AA members came at me with, "You are probably going to die, because you can't find a power greater than yourself" and other stuff. My drinnking problems were very severe and AA never did nothing to address them. But I do think it is interesting, if the program is not perfect for someone, then "they are not a real alcoholic" Look up the No True Scotsman fallacy you are commiting here.
"Personality differences and opinions just aren't of any importance in the rooms, for alcoholics who suffer from the DISEASE of alcoholism..and really work the program"
That is blatantly false.
"Many other populations benefit from 12 step recovery too"
AA has a terrible success rate, One of the most enthusiastic boosters of Alcoholics Anonymous, Professor and medical Doctor George E. Vaillant of Harvard University, who was also a member of the Board of Trustees of Alcoholics Anonymous World Services, Inc. (AAWS), showed by his own 8 years of testing of A.A. that A.A. was worse than useless - that it didn't help the alcoholics any more than no treatment at all, and it had the highest death rate of any treatment program tested - a death rate that Professor Vaillant himself described as "appalling". Then Valiant said it was still a good program because it lead people to God. The churn rate of AA is immense. Go to any meeting for more than six months and most of the membership has already flipped with the exception of old timers.
"Not sure why you felt you weren't but it sounds like a YOU problem rather than a 12 step program problem."
And there you have it. AA likes to take credit when someone succeeds, when someone does not, it is all the other person's fault. Funny how that works.
Luckily never had a drug problem. For me it was all about drinking. NA isn’t big in my area so allot of people would just go to AA. Old timers of course would always lose it once someone started talking about drugs