I really do enjoy your videos, I can not wait to watch this 1. I do think that you are very funny. People in AA really do boggle my mind, it really is a true cult. I went to a AA meeting a few years ago & after the meeting this 1 dude was asking me some of these questions “are you willing to change everything about your life?” “Are you ready to join our fellowship?” You know, shit like that & looking back on it & him, he was completely brainwashed by the cult of AA.
After quite some time I found that it was not wise to put faith in the so called 'fellowship'.I have no trust in them having being used outside of the meetings. They don't care who they hurt.Build barriers people .Whatever you do don't get into a relationship there in and do not accept being dismissed, talked down to and do not talk about your personal relationships in any shape or for nor disclose your journey of recovery that you have experienced outside of aa.Please take this very seriously.
They love to say “you have faith in science” or “you believe *insert scientific theory* so you should be able to believe *insert religious bs*”. This just shows how juvenile they are. No, people don’t just go around choosing which thing has the best vibes that they want to have faith in. Science isn’t a religion, it’s subject to change based on RESEARCH. Comparing science to this amorphous religious idea shows a very low level of thinking. It all comes down to the fact that if you’ve even taken a philosophy 101 you know deep down this book is so full of sophistry and bullshit and gaslighting.
Used to make me laugh when they would ‘praise’ you for “doing the work” and getting through the steps only to then turn around when you’re feeling like shit or slip up and say that you didn’t want it bad enough, like sure I didn’t want it bad enough that I used to wake up stupidly early to call my sponsor n read the big book ever day for 2 solid months, I didn’t want it bad enough to go through a fourth step with a guy I barely knew and tell him things ide never told any professional therapist. I didn’t want it bad enough that i used to turn up early and set the meeting up on my own, take every service position going to “help” me. Break down in front of rooms full or random people when I was struggling to be told you’re just not working it hard enough, guess I just didn’t want to change from Being a heroin addicted 24 year old who was heading towards an early grave, funny that. So much clarity on the manipulation tactics and the crazy amount of covert abuse they hide behind “spiritual permission”. Another solid topic Vic, thank you for what you do 👍
Good comment, mate. Gradually, then suddenly when hearing the ole: "[I'm] doin' the work!" loosed off from the podium I came to view the cult fatheads who said it with extreme skepticism. It is just another AA secret code-type of cliche shared in front of cult drones in an attempt to elevate oneself above the pack. Kinda like: "I'm doin' the work!" **whereas you simpletons are merely comin' to meetings!** Those AA bastards make me sick.
Their relapse history is probably fraught with all manner of lies. The best way to get them is to show it in front of others, then they will probably stay quiet, for a time.
Yeah your not alone on the mocking and bashing they do when u slip and they act as if they walking on water they talk about love consideration respect being there for others,but with time their fucking disgusting Mass start to fall off
I have "come to believe" the illusory thinking of cult members became perhaps the hardest thing for me to swallow in the end. Maybe many of us do build "castles in the air", so to speak. And definitely cult members will add to this cliche by saying: " ... but alcoholics tend to move into the castles then pay rent to breweries, distilleries and wineries!" But what repeatedly irritated me was the regularly heard active imaginations of certain cult members. The AA tough guys, for example. Many of whom are so unfit and weak they cannot walk across a room without having apoplexy. Or the suburban stud-types, who invariably are revolting old hornbags who probably high-five themselves in a mirror if they ever manage to bar up without the help of a horse tranquilliser dose of Viagra. The way these types, and several other varieties, assume their utter bullshit is absolutely believed and therefore unchallengeable still irks me after a few years away from AA. it's as if they're living in a parallel universe. Any rate another fantastic video, mate. Onwards and upward we go as non-cult members. The world is our lobster! (to quote Arthur Daly).
I was only in AA a few months, but the higher power shit drove me nuts. I referred to this in a prior post, but the most active speaker in my group was someone in I think in his 40s. He did not work and leeched off his wife who was also a member (she was NA) but did provide their living. He was fully capable of working, but his job was "staying sober". He ran through my brain every day his higher power kept him from drinking. His last drink was age 18 he told me. I was like WTF? 20+ years you have been here? He talked me into a couple lawn service jobs which he paid me no money for to help him, I just GTFO. Place is a scam. Seriously, who declares themselves an alcoholic at age 18 and then decides to go to meetings for 20 years? Just weird.
I ran into more than a few guys like that. They seemed to make a career out of going to AA meetings. Literally at any time of day, they would be hanging out at the AA clubhouses, with their books that were highlighted all to pieces, bumming smokes etc. Then they would talk about how wonderful their life was since getting sober, I used to think, if hanging out in AA all day, accomplishing nothing, doing nothing, and bumming cash off of people is wonderful, then we have a radically different definition of wonderful.
One more thing, and I will get off this but I just remembered. He, me, and a few others went to Denny's one night, 'meeting after the meeting'. I was new there like a week, guess who got stuck with the check???? Yep me. Went again a couple weeks later and every one paid their own bill, nobody ever offered to pick up my tab even though I paid the whole fucking $70 tab a couple weeks prior.
@@quackaholicsanonymous7210Yep, like I said, my sponsor was in his 40s and bragged about going to 3 meetings a day, not to mention meetings after the meeting. His wife would show up a couple times a week, she look exhausted because she was working like 50 hours a week and taking care of HIS kid from a prior marriage. He kept saying his job was staying sober and keeping other's sober. I lost all respect for him after we did a lawn maintenance job together on a Saturday and he kept all the cash which was like $200. It was not about the money, I had a nice job, but you are not even going to say take me out for a pizza or something for working 8 hours in 90 degree heat? LOL, we went to a meeting. I should have called him out in a meeting as a scammer, but I just stopped going altogether. Fucking dick face.
Would love to see video on the meeting after the meeting. That is really where the full court press gets put on and how I got roped into helping out my sponsor on lawn service. One guy literally was commenting that no really good looking NA women had showed up lately, he joked he knew the local Judge and he needed to route them to this AA venue rather than the other one. It was unreal.
Your comment reminded me of a time when I was new to AA. A city lunchtime meeting I sometimes went to was in a church hall across the road from a hospital. An invitation to visit drunks in the hospital was regularly announced at the end of the meeting. I went across one time with a member from my Home Group. This member was in receipt of a v. generous trust fund, he didn't work, and was studying entry level D&A counselling at community college. He thought himself a guru. Any rate one of the patients asked for a cigarette. Neither of us smoked so this guru insisted I go to a nearby shop and buy a pack. I was looking for work but unemployed at the time. I had very little spare money after paying my living expenses. I returned with a pack which he immediately snatched from my hand then covered himself in glory with a showy presentation of giving them to the bedridden boozer. To add insult to injury he bent the poor bastard's ear about "the fellowship!" for 45 minutes. The boozer just wanted to walk outside and light up. After being forced to listen to this toe rag he probably wanted to slit his wrists. Arsewipe.@@SteveDynamic
@@quackaholicsanonymous7210 Oh yeah?? Well while the man at church is thinkin’ about going fishing.. -the SPIRITUAL man goes fishing and thinks about God! (These types of AA pseudo super Guru Old Slimer comments DROVE ME NUTS. The condescending wisdom malarkey with that AA superiority zing at the closing end of the comment. BOLOGNA. -they just want your secrets, they have nothing new to get suited up in narcissism about, seeing each other everyday & saying the same old crap in the rooms ranking order pecking system-at any meeting, ANYWHERE. Here comes a newbie… -they call these newbies - “fresh meat” I call them Old’Slimer’s -pigeon sh*t.
While escaping ftom Aa my car stalled several times in the ignition while being engulfed by steppers before going into reverse and knocking enough down to clear my exit. Great video, really helps.
I used to be so compelled to go back and tell them what a F'd up cult they were. I knew I would get torn apart in the following shares from old timers and it would do nothing but further piss me off. When I left, only one old timer kept in touch, daily too, he didn't know I quit. This guy was pretty cool, he went north for the summer and said he'd be back in the fall. He sent me a text every morning and when he got back, he went to the same home group and sent me a text.. he said "I didn't recognize anyone except the 3 old timers!". He called them by their names, he didn't say "old timers". He was blown away.. that's when I felt like, I didn't have to do anything, AA ruins itself. But I do speak with people that are considering it. Sorry for the poor Grammer! I'm in a hurry lol
Your detractions of it aside, your grammar is really quite good. Would that more here had even half your ability, as it would make for a lot less tedious reading. With some small exceptions, AA is now mostly dominated by a class, which I've come to rather clumsily term, the 'quasi-lumpenproletariat': above that of common street people, but below that of those with even the most menial of regular employment (save that through a temp agency). Due to an infirmity I suffered (mild stroke), seven years ago, I was reduced to getting by on a couple of meagre disability pensions, at the relatively early age of 52. My finances being what they now were, I was luckily able to secure residence at a rent-subsidized building, for three years. The one drawback of the place, was that it was mostly tenanted by that class of which I earlier spoke. It was designed as transitional housing, for recent rehab program graduates. But due to a dearth of them, some of the vacant suites were made available to such as me. I was glad to find other non-rehab guys there, such as myself, though one thing we shared, was an intense loathing for the rehabbers (as we came to call them). This was my experience of these types, as I never did go to AA, though I've been abstemious, since 2012. I found I had no problem at all in quitting, though I'd been quite the prodigious beer drinker, for 25 years prior. In addition, I'd always held to a pragmatic agnosticism, as regards religious beliefs or most metaphysical concerns, generally (save that of ethics). So, any thought of going to a typical AA-type meeting, was always as much anathema to me, as was I, to them--a totally ludicrous waste of time, in my view. My point, is that any self-help group that doesn't match the class of those making application to it, is probably a wrong choice. I'll doubtless be pilloried for a snob, at what I've said, but it's difficult (if indeed, not impossible) to find some situation in society, where class doesn't enter into it, to a significant degree--despite the protestations and statements to the contrary, of many mostly white, upper middle-class liberals. Of these individuals, it is also my belief that they mostly advocate more from a need for social prestige, than for any genuine feeling of philanthropy.
But I'd think if you went and told them, as you say, that they were a fucked-up cult (and rightly so), that you wouldn't have time to hear the old timers tear you up, as they'd have told you to leave. But I'd like to see you do it, all the same, though, ha, ha!
What is the NNT of Alcoholics Anonymous or 12-step recovery? Number-Needed-to-Treat? It is a simple statistical concept called the “Number-Needed-to-Treat”, or for short the 'NNT'. The NNT offers a measurement of the impact of a medicine or therapy by estimating the number of patients that need to be treated in order to have an impact on one person. They claim they help 5% so that 20 people are exposed to such nonsense in order for it to help one person. Note: There are people like me that believe that AA harms more people than it helps. There is a book called “12-step who it helps, who it harms and who it kills' ' that I recommend.
I really don't understand the disconnect with beliefs and objective facts, especially in AA. I may believe all kinds of philosophical thought experiments I think about in great detail. None of it is proven to be objective fact. To claim that a belief is fact because there's no proof of "disproving" it yet doesn't make any belief more factual or valid than the next. And someone, anyone claiming that their belief is fact, is playing on this notion "there's no proof that I'm wrong" is manipulative and egotistical. I'm probably wrong about all the silly shit I think about. I'm no authority over the unknown. No one else is either. Because we don't know. We are choosing a belief about what we dont know yet. The inability to accept that they don't know and that they claim to be some authority about such things further invalidates them as a credible authority to tell "newcomers" that what they (the newcomer) believes or doesnt believe is wrong.
That is so true. I am the same way, I have all sorts of notions and ideas about things, but I would never dream of suddenly making blanket assertions and claiming "THIS IS HOW IT IS !" and demanding that everyone who does not blindly accept it is simply "not willing"
I really do enjoy your videos, I can not wait to watch this 1. I do think that you are very funny. People in AA really do boggle my mind, it really is a true cult. I went to a AA meeting a few years ago & after the meeting this 1 dude was asking me some of these questions “are you willing to change everything about your life?” “Are you ready to join our fellowship?” You know, shit like that & looking back on it & him, he was completely brainwashed by the cult of AA.
After quite some time I found that it was not wise to put faith in the so called 'fellowship'.I have no trust in them having being used outside of the meetings. They don't care who they hurt.Build barriers people .Whatever you do don't get into a relationship there in and do not accept being dismissed, talked down to and do not talk about your personal relationships in any shape or for nor disclose your journey of recovery that you have experienced outside of aa.Please take this very seriously.
AA could be analogized as being Scientology for poor people.
They love to say “you have faith in science” or “you believe *insert scientific theory* so you should be able to believe *insert religious bs*”.
This just shows how juvenile they are. No, people don’t just go around choosing which thing has the best vibes that they want to have faith in. Science isn’t a religion, it’s subject to change based on RESEARCH. Comparing science to this amorphous religious idea shows a very low level of thinking.
It all comes down to the fact that if you’ve even taken a philosophy 101 you know deep down this book is so full of sophistry and bullshit and gaslighting.
I couldn't agree more. You summed it up perfectly.
Used to make me laugh when they would ‘praise’ you for “doing the work” and getting through the steps only to then turn around when you’re feeling like shit or slip up and say that you didn’t want it bad enough, like sure I didn’t want it bad enough that I used to wake up stupidly early to call my sponsor n read the big book ever day for 2 solid months, I didn’t want it bad enough to go through a fourth step with a guy I barely knew and tell him things ide never told any professional therapist. I didn’t want it bad enough that i used to turn up early and set the meeting up on my own, take every service position going to “help” me. Break down in front of rooms full or random people when I was struggling to be told you’re just not working it hard enough, guess I just didn’t want to change from
Being a heroin addicted 24 year old who was heading towards an early grave, funny that. So much clarity on the manipulation tactics and the crazy amount of covert abuse they hide behind “spiritual permission”. Another solid topic Vic, thank you for what you do 👍
Good comment, mate. Gradually, then suddenly when hearing the ole: "[I'm] doin' the work!" loosed off from the podium I came to view the cult fatheads who said it with extreme skepticism. It is just another AA secret code-type of cliche shared in front of cult drones in an attempt to elevate oneself above the pack. Kinda like:
"I'm doin' the work!" **whereas you simpletons are merely comin' to meetings!**
Those AA bastards make me sick.
Their relapse history is probably fraught with all manner of lies. The best way to get them is to show it in front of others, then they will probably stay quiet, for a time.
Yeah your not alone on the mocking and bashing they do when u slip and they act as if they walking on water they talk about love consideration respect being there for others,but with time their fucking disgusting Mass start to fall off
My doorknob is very upset that you are questioning its existence.
HA I hope it does not shut me out of being able to enter doors as punishment.
@MarSarFishin-ws7qk Love it !
😂
I have "come to believe" the illusory thinking of cult members became perhaps the hardest thing for me to swallow in the end. Maybe many of us do build "castles in the air", so to speak. And definitely cult members will add to this cliche by saying: " ... but alcoholics tend to move into the castles then pay rent to breweries, distilleries and wineries!" But what repeatedly irritated me was the regularly heard active imaginations of certain cult members. The AA tough guys, for example. Many of whom are so unfit and weak they cannot walk across a room without having apoplexy. Or the suburban stud-types, who invariably are revolting old hornbags who probably high-five themselves in a mirror if they ever manage to bar up without the help of a horse tranquilliser dose of Viagra. The way these types, and several other varieties, assume their utter bullshit is absolutely believed and therefore unchallengeable still irks me after a few years away from AA. it's as if they're living in a parallel universe.
Any rate another fantastic video, mate. Onwards and upward we go as non-cult members. The world is our lobster! (to quote Arthur Daly).
I was only in AA a few months, but the higher power shit drove me nuts. I referred to this in a prior post, but the most active speaker in my group was someone in I think in his 40s. He did not work and leeched off his wife who was also a member (she was NA) but did provide their living. He was fully capable of working, but his job was "staying sober". He ran through my brain every day his higher power kept him from drinking. His last drink was age 18 he told me. I was like WTF? 20+ years you have been here? He talked me into a couple lawn service jobs which he paid me no money for to help him, I just GTFO. Place is a scam. Seriously, who declares themselves an alcoholic at age 18 and then decides to go to meetings for 20 years? Just weird.
I ran into more than a few guys like that. They seemed to make a career out of going to AA meetings. Literally at any time of day, they would be hanging out at the AA clubhouses, with their books that were highlighted all to pieces, bumming smokes etc. Then they would talk about how wonderful their life was since getting sober, I used to think, if hanging out in AA all day, accomplishing nothing, doing nothing, and bumming cash off of people is wonderful, then we have a radically different definition of wonderful.
One more thing, and I will get off this but I just remembered. He, me, and a few others went to Denny's one night, 'meeting after the meeting'. I was new there like a week, guess who got stuck with the check???? Yep me. Went again a couple weeks later and every one paid their own bill, nobody ever offered to pick up my tab even though I paid the whole fucking $70 tab a couple weeks prior.
@@quackaholicsanonymous7210Yep, like I said, my sponsor was in his 40s and bragged about going to 3 meetings a day, not to mention meetings after the meeting. His wife would show up a couple times a week, she look exhausted because she was working like 50 hours a week and taking care of HIS kid from a prior marriage. He kept saying his job was staying sober and keeping other's sober. I lost all respect for him after we did a lawn maintenance job together on a Saturday and he kept all the cash which was like $200. It was not about the money, I had a nice job, but you are not even going to say take me out for a pizza or something for working 8 hours in 90 degree heat? LOL, we went to a meeting.
I should have called him out in a meeting as a scammer, but I just stopped going altogether. Fucking dick face.
Would love to see video on the meeting after the meeting. That is really where the full court press gets put on and how I got roped into helping out my sponsor on lawn service. One guy literally was commenting that no really good looking NA women had showed up lately, he joked he knew the local Judge and he needed to route them to this AA venue rather than the other one. It was unreal.
Your comment reminded me of a time when I was new to AA. A city lunchtime meeting I sometimes went to was in a church hall across the road from a hospital. An invitation to visit drunks in the hospital was regularly announced at the end of the meeting. I went across one time with a member from my Home Group. This member was in receipt of a v. generous trust fund, he didn't work, and was studying entry level D&A counselling at community college. He thought himself a guru. Any rate one of the patients asked for a cigarette. Neither of us smoked so this guru insisted I go to a nearby shop and buy a pack. I was looking for work but unemployed at the time. I had very little spare money after paying my living expenses. I returned with a pack which he immediately snatched from my hand then covered himself in glory with a showy presentation of giving them to the bedridden boozer. To add insult to injury he bent the poor bastard's ear about "the fellowship!" for 45 minutes. The boozer just wanted to walk outside and light up. After being forced to listen to this toe rag he probably wanted to slit his wrists. Arsewipe.@@SteveDynamic
AA is the religion. If you say you’re going to church instead of a meeting they lose their shit
That is absolutely true. They make it a point to let everyone know they are better than religion, while claiming they are not a religion.
@@quackaholicsanonymous7210Yeah, that is 100% true.
@@quackaholicsanonymous7210
Oh yeah??
Well while the man at church is thinkin’ about going fishing..
-the SPIRITUAL man goes fishing and thinks about God!
(These types of AA pseudo super
Guru Old Slimer comments DROVE ME NUTS.
The condescending wisdom malarkey with that AA superiority zing at the closing end of the comment.
BOLOGNA.
-they just want your secrets, they have nothing new to get suited up in narcissism about,
seeing each other everyday & saying the same old crap in the rooms ranking order
pecking system-at any meeting, ANYWHERE.
Here comes a newbie…
-they call these newbies - “fresh meat”
I call them Old’Slimer’s -pigeon sh*t.
The biggest hypocrites in the world
While escaping ftom Aa my car stalled several times in the ignition while being engulfed by steppers before going into reverse and knocking enough down to clear my exit. Great video, really helps.
"It's not a religion, it's a spiritual program."
"It's not a car, it's a four-wheeled vehicle which carries passengers and has an engine."
Ah, now that is a good one!
Lol a four-wheeler that is set to set u back on a Bender
I used to be so compelled to go back and tell them what a F'd up cult they were. I knew I would get torn apart in the following shares from old timers and it would do nothing but further piss me off. When I left, only one old timer kept in touch, daily too, he didn't know I quit. This guy was pretty cool, he went north for the summer and said he'd be back in the fall. He sent me a text every morning and when he got back, he went to the same home group and sent me a text.. he said "I didn't recognize anyone except the 3 old timers!". He called them by their names, he didn't say "old timers". He was blown away.. that's when I felt like, I didn't have to do anything, AA ruins itself. But I do speak with people that are considering it. Sorry for the poor Grammer! I'm in a hurry lol
Your detractions of it aside, your grammar is really quite good. Would that more here had even half your ability, as it would make for a lot less tedious reading.
With some small exceptions, AA is now mostly dominated by a class, which I've come to rather clumsily term, the 'quasi-lumpenproletariat': above that of common street people, but below that of those with even the most menial of regular employment (save that through a temp agency). Due to an infirmity I suffered (mild stroke), seven years ago, I was reduced to getting by on a couple of meagre disability pensions, at the relatively early age of 52. My finances being what they now were, I was luckily able to secure residence at a rent-subsidized building, for three years. The one drawback of the place, was that it was mostly tenanted by that class of which I earlier spoke. It was designed as transitional housing, for recent rehab program graduates. But due to a dearth of them, some of the vacant suites were made available to such as me. I was glad to find other non-rehab guys there, such as myself, though one thing we shared, was an intense loathing for the rehabbers (as we came to call them). This was my experience of these types, as I never did go to AA, though I've been abstemious, since 2012. I found I had no problem at all in quitting, though I'd been quite the prodigious beer drinker, for 25 years prior. In addition, I'd always held to a pragmatic agnosticism, as regards religious beliefs or most metaphysical concerns, generally (save that of ethics). So, any thought of going to a typical AA-type meeting, was always as much anathema to me, as was I, to them--a totally ludicrous waste of time, in my view.
My point, is that any self-help group that doesn't match the class of those making application to it, is probably a wrong choice. I'll doubtless be pilloried for a snob, at what I've said, but it's difficult (if indeed, not impossible) to find some situation in society, where class doesn't enter into it, to a significant degree--despite the protestations and statements to the contrary, of many mostly white, upper middle-class liberals. Of these individuals, it is also my belief that they mostly advocate more from a need for social prestige, than for any genuine feeling of philanthropy.
But I'd think if you went and told them, as you say, that they were a fucked-up cult (and rightly so), that you wouldn't have time to hear the old timers tear you up, as they'd have told you to leave. But I'd like to see you do it, all the same, though, ha, ha!
Thanks for sharing this, Wa'ste,Meaning ( GOOD ) You have Touched my Thoughts, ABOUT-AA..A'HO INIT AMEN ❤❤
Can you truly have “faith” in something that doesn’t work?
You'd probably like the philosophy of pragmatism, then.
I’ll have to check it out then
What is the NNT of Alcoholics Anonymous or 12-step recovery? Number-Needed-to-Treat?
It is a simple statistical concept called the “Number-Needed-to-Treat”, or for short the 'NNT'. The NNT offers a measurement of the impact of a medicine or therapy by estimating the number of patients that need to be treated in order to have an impact on one person. They claim they help 5% so that 20 people are exposed to such nonsense in order for it to help one person. Note:
There are people like me that believe that AA harms more people than it helps. There is a book called “12-step who it helps, who it harms and who it kills' ' that I recommend.
Thank you. This one was hard to digest. Will view again. Keep up your self care.
I really don't understand the disconnect with beliefs and objective facts, especially in AA. I may believe all kinds of philosophical thought experiments I think about in great detail. None of it is proven to be objective fact. To claim that a belief is fact because there's no proof of "disproving" it yet doesn't make any belief more factual or valid than the next. And someone, anyone claiming that their belief is fact, is playing on this notion "there's no proof that I'm wrong" is manipulative and egotistical. I'm probably wrong about all the silly shit I think about. I'm no authority over the unknown. No one else is either. Because we don't know. We are choosing a belief about what we dont know yet. The inability to accept that they don't know and that they claim to be some authority about such things further invalidates them as a credible authority to tell "newcomers" that what they (the newcomer) believes or doesnt believe is wrong.
That is so true. I am the same way, I have all sorts of notions and ideas about things, but I would never dream of suddenly making blanket assertions and claiming "THIS IS HOW IT IS !" and demanding that everyone who does not blindly accept it is simply "not willing"
I think I'll go back to the meetings and tell my sponsor my H.P. is Johnny walker.