Narcotics Anonymous is Bullsh*t
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- I am reacting to a video that I saw a lot of people leave negative comments on. As someone who has been a member of a 12 step recovery program for over 8 years I think it is important that we understand how newcomers may view the program. By understanding their impressions we can work to be more welcoming. This video is meant to help bridge the gap between those in long term recovery and those just trying out NA.
I also want to say how brave I think this girl is for openly sharing her opinion. She got way more negativity in her comment section than she should have. The best way we attract people to programs like NA is listening to what newcomers have to say without judgement. I want to thank her for being so courageous and sharing her experience.
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speaking for myself, i thought that drugs/alcohol destroyed my life and brought me to aa/na but after working the steps, i realized that it was my attitude and outlook on life that brought me to rock bottom, not drugs/alchohol or the people around me, it was me to blame
I think the self realizations we get to have in recovery are the best. It's incredible how much things can change when we simply change our perspective. Thanks so much for commenting!
Also ich finde schon das leute die konsumieren und andere verführen oder es einem vorgelebt wird einen grossen Einfluss haben und auch Schuld.
Ain't nobody to blame but me. Stapleton
I was like you before I can across the page of the great Dr. Kanayo Peterson on TH-cam, I contacted him on WhatsApp and told him how badly I was fight my addiction and sent me his wonder tonic which safe my life, I don’t have to worry about going back anymore.
yep some people can do drugs and alcohol and become famous multi-millionaires and super successful. Not saying anyone should do that, just a point.
Obviously, 12 step programs are for people who have the desire to be free from addiction or at least the desire to have the desire. NA and AA have been extremely helpful to me because I always take the good and leave the rest and having any place to go where people are NOT using is miraculous and wonderful. I love your video! You are a superstar and i thank you.
Hi Claire! Thanks so much for sharing your thoughts! I absolutely agree with what you said here. I hope you'll check out some of my other videos. I plan to start uploading again more regularly. If you have ideas for topics feel free to share them! Have a great weekend!!
I've tried NA meetings several times and to me, hearing people talk about their struggles, just made me struggle. I'm 4 years clean because I *stopped* going to NA meetings. Although I understand the concept of them and how they might be good for some, they're not always good for everyone.
Having positive relationships that are beneficial to your sobriety is a must though. Get rid of the negative or the toxic people that don't take your choice on sobriety seriously. Talk and grow with your higher power. Keep positive and make today a sober one! 💜💜
@@Butterfly-mt5ml I absolutely agree! NA meetings aren't supposed to be all about people talking only about their struggles but they can absolutely get that way. I agree that whats most important is finding positive people who can support you in your recovery. I appreciate you sharing your thoughts!
Some people seem to forget that the newcomer is the most important person at any meeting. Thank you for sharing your viewpoints Jexi, I hope you continue to raise awareness about topics like this that need to be addressed
Thank you Meghan! Yes! I completely agree! The newcomer is always the most important person at any meeting. We need to treat them with love and kindness and then they'll be more likely to come back. Judging them or scaring them off isn't helping anyone. I'm so excited this video went over so well. I will absolutely be doing more videos like this!
@@AccordingtoJexi ⬅️⬅️⬅️ SHE SUPPORTS THEM
Hey you
especially to the pimps
Not me IM THE MOST IMPORTANT PERSON AT ( ANY MEETING) ITS CALL SELF HELP
Thank u for making this video. I live in Australia. I am going to my first NA meeting tonight at 7pm & was very worried about what to expect. Your calm, well thought out, & compassionate video has helped to ease my nerves & inspired me. One day I hope to do as you're doing & give hope to someone who's suffering the way I am now. Very happy to have, & subscribed to, your channel. Peace & blessings xo.
I hope you had a great experience! Let me know how it goes! Thanks so much for the kind words. I can tell you that recovery has been the greatest thing to ever happen to me and its my honor to be able to share that with others! ☺💜
HY!!! 2 years later how are u??? +24H :)
Thankfully ppl at na aren't doctors, they're addicts. The amount of times I've had to educate medical professionals on the realities of addiction. Try getting taught to drive by someone that's never been in a car but has read many books on it.
Yes! I completely agree! Sometimes experience trumps education
That's what made me super uncomfortable about NA. Sure, I met a lot of nice people, but at the end of the day It's not run by medical professionals and meetings aren't bound by the same laws a licensed health care provider is. There's not a lot of talk about dealing with underlying issues. I was cut off from sharing numerous times for bringing up seeing my psychiatrist and going to therapy. Outside issues they said. I get why they say that, but it's such a huge part of a lot of people's recoveries. I already have trust issues as it is and it was terrifying to tell a bunch of strangers extremely intimate parts of my life when I was already in a vulnerable state. Looking back at it as a person with a history of abuse it probably wasn't the place for me. I have nothing against NA or the people that go. If it's doing positive things for your life good on you. I gave it a year like was recommended but it ended up not working out. I do have to say I'm incredibly fortunate to have a good support network and a great psychiatrist and therapist. I think everyone should see a therapist. A lot of people don't have it as good as I do. I think NA fills that void for a lot of people, even if it's just for a short time like I did.
I really enjoyed your video. I absolutely needed this. I have been in and out the rooms for 20 years. Thankfully the 12 step seed was planted and I have always found my way back to those rooms. I have always preferred AA because there seems to be more longtime sobriety and a lot more people carrying a message of hope. And I have said I hate NA because I DO NOT WANT WHAT THEY HAVE. But my gf who is “normal” suggested I watch this and as I sit here typing in my 5th rehab facility, I had this moment of clarity-a “god moment” if you will. How can I preach to others that the meetings are to carry a message of hope to the new comer and then talk about how shitty NA is because very few carry a message of hope??!!! How did it take me 20+ years to realize that that is even more reason to go to NA-so I can share my experience strength and hope and hopefully plant the seed in at least one newcomer, and maybe save a life. Thanks for your video and your love. That’s what life is about. Spreading love and helping others. It definitely does work if you work it. 12 steps are nothing but principles suggested for living a good life and being a good human being. And that’s what life us about. Heard someone in a meeting once, say “Depression is when GOD stops doing our will”. I have to always remember that. When I accept that I’m not in control of everything, and accept that my higher power is in control and will provide what I need as i need it as long as I continue to be of service to others and do the next right thing,I have nothing to get angry about, no reason to be upset, sad, mad or resentful. I just accept life as it is and know I’m right where I need to be-in the present. The reason it’s called the present is because this beautiful thing called life is truly a gift Sending love from this rehab facility in Kansas City, MO
Thank you so much for this comment! I truly wish you all the best in rehab. I know how hard it can be. I can absolutely relate to all you shared here. Please keep me posted as to how you are doing! I am wishing you all the best and hope that if I am ever in Kansas City, and I stop by a local meeting, perhaps I will see you there sharing the hope. ☺💜
I just started NA meetings its been a week and I was searching for NA related stuff and I found out your video. I have been to Rehab before It was worse experience this time I chose Meeting instead and I found very good support group and it has encouraged me to stay sober. Though the title was misleading I really loved your video you have soo much positivity thank you 💜💜💜 and🤗 from 🇳🇵
So glad you enjoyed the meeting! I am so happy to hear you found the support you needed. Feel free to reach out anytime! 💜
There is a difference between being "sober" and miserable and being clean and IN RECOVERY. I choose to be in recovery working the steps of NA
I, too, was searching for something to help me become a little more familiar with what NA is/does, yours popped up and I’m so glad it was yours and not hers. Not that hers was so terrible; I’m just not in a place where I want to deal with all that -at least for the initial visit. I’m now going to find a meeting because there’s something I deeply relate to and even though I may not be an addict, there’s still a feeling of comfort at the thought of being in a room full of people who just might have seen things the way I have/do/did.
I found your video to be so honest, kind and fair. Thankful to have found yours and I hope to one day be able to speak on any given familiar subject as well as you did here!
Thanks so much
Thanks so much for your kind words. I truly appreciate you leaving a comment and sharing your thoughts. Hope you have a wonderful week!
I really liked this video. This gives out a fresh perspective on how a seasoned recovering person should treat a newcomer. I believe if I put on my tenth step goggles, I can inventory on weather or not I and my attitude, aura, and demeanor is that of love and kindness and respect to the newcomer. NA teaches us that diversity is our strength and that it's terrifying believe it or not for newcomers when they come to a 12 step fellowship for the first time. For me, it was terrifying being in my first NA meeting but after a few meetings I felt welcomed. And working steps has opened up so many doors for me, and lots of spiritual principles to practice like surrender, honesty, hope, willingness, faith and so on. I didn't know what to expect in my first meeting all I wanted was a change and I wanted out of active addiction. Being 3 years and 11 months clean and working a program I need to be teachable. Thank you for sharing this because it gets me to put on my empathy shoes more often by understanding what the newcomer is thinking. Diversity is our strength, doesn't matter if it's newcomers, newer members, or seasoned members. Blessings 😇🙏
I couldn't agree more! Thanks so much for taking the time to comment! ☺
Jexi, please keep up the great work to help and assist those who are new to the 12 step programs, recovery and sobriety. I learned so much watching this video and after 34y, 3m, 3d, and 27 hours of being sober from alcohol - I found myself spiraling into abusing prescription pain medication. I am on day 18 from that cross-over addiction and I know I am finally working the 12 step program to the best of my ability. Thank you for your post and the terrific videos. Namaste.
You are very welcome! Thank you so much for taking the time to comment. It really means the world to me. I wish you all the best in your recovery! 💜💜💜
Yo, the haters be jealous dawg, this what's up, this what's deadass. NA works. AA works. All that be work. They get outside the you, get you into something, be active, have something. All that real. Big props that's what's up. Every anonymous program, also the therapy groups, the lighthouse, the jail groups all that. Big what's up to all them. Major love on top on point every day, keeping straight. And to that little lady that made that video - keep coming back. We got you.
Initially when I found this video I was just looking for some kinda middle of night "meeting" when I felt I needed it. And my first thought was "WTF a cult?!" And I instantly didn't appreciate the title. But I think as someone who hasn't had MUCH experience in meetings (but some and believe whole heartedly it's still my way out) - you've got a fantastic attitude towards this video and it's really cool that you took the time to do this? I instantly thought negatively about the title though which is sad. You seem to be a big ambassador of the steps and program so kudos for that!
Additionally I couldn't agree more on the whole "a lot of addicts know about dosing and that they just didnt care". Amen. We all know, and just wanted more to chase a bigger and better high. Always more. It's just not caring. So yeah I totally absolutely think you hit the nail on the head there.
So glad you enjoyed the video! I do my best to stay open minded to other people's experiences while also sharing my own. Recovery is such a personal journey and I would never want someone to be afraid to get help simply because of a video on the internet. When I see something that strikes me as different than my own experience, I do my best to explain why. Thanks again for watching and taking the time to comment!
Thanks for the video, really good. I'm an NA member in UK and I do get a lot of what the lady was saying. The understanding of 12 step from Jexi does only come in time. It's worth remembering for any NA member of how we felt when we were newcomers, I was looking for any reason not to be there. So for all members, how we put ourselves across in and out of meetings has an effect either positive or negative. We want people to keep coming to meetings, it's safer for them than crack houses
Exactly! Thanks for commenting!!
I'm not dissing the 12 step system, but many people in it are blind to some of the more toxic aspects of the culture. "13th stepping" and men trying to hustle on newly sober and emotionally fragile women is something that's definitely a problem in some areas. So is a lack of patience for newbies who don't immediately understand what's going on. There's also the phonies who pretend to have sobriety (because they want the social validation of the culture) and try to act as gurus to newbies.
Yes your right that does go on 12 step meetings can draw in narcissistic personalities but in my experience those types usually get found out fast . In my experience the overwhelming majority are good decent people with alot of empathy. There are still spiritually unwell people in the rooms so you should always proceed with caution until you figure out who's who.❤❤❤
Clean and Sober since March 1987...
THIS woman's questions and concerns are NOT any different from ANY of the ones most of us had when we were starting out....
We just kept coming back....kept asking OUR questions. sharing, and helping.....you know, working it if it works.... We are from ALL walks of life...but, came in for the SAME reason...
....AND THIS is why we MUST ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS....be very welcoming to NEW COMERS....
THEY are us ...looking to figure ourselves out in here.
Just happened to stumble on the video.
I’m not an addict but I grew up at NA meetings as a kid. The members were always nice to me.
Thanks for sharing your experience!
poor kid, she's really confused . As per my experience in the NA, the newcomer is the most important person in the room, and when we carry the message, we usually letterly say (give ur self a chance and dont judge us from the 1st meeting) (you are in the right place) these kind of slogans bcz we've been thro the same experience however we understand that the newcomer is afraid and seeking the negative instead of the positive thats why we usually say as well give ur self a chance attend 90×90 meetings and and we would advise u to choose a sponsor .
the point is to make the newcomer feel safe and loved and confirm that there's hope. Now im not judging anyone, but from what she said about the sponsor and the harassment and slogans Jexi has explained beautifully.
Thanks a lot Jexi and God bless you❤❤❤
I live in a small town and the meetings are not anonymous. I’m 16 years clean from crack cocaine and I didn’t use the 12 steps to get sober. I listened and never spoke once. Not one person spoke to me. God gets all the credit for my sobriety.
Thanks for this video. I'm doing my first NA meeting on Tuesday. I did 3 AA meetings so far but I think NA is gonna be more helpful because during the progression of my drug addiction I slowly cut down my drinking, but only cos I didn't want to have less money for crack. I'm looking forward to it and welcome any pointers / insight into what to expect 🙏🏾
That's great! I would love to hear how it goes. My biggest suggestion is that if you don't love the meeting you go to try a different one. Don't be afraid to raise your hand and say you are new to NA. My homegrouo meets on Zoom so you are more than welcome to come if you'd like.
@@AccordingtoJexi Hi Jexi. I'm doing online meetings as well. There's a whatsapp group I'm on that sends out meeting notices throughout the day. So I do those meetings when i'm unable to attend face to face meetings. Thank you for your advise and a great channel.
@@keeganthambiran1375 That's great! My homegroup is still meeting on Zoom until we are able to meet in person. Online meetings are great but I can't wait to go to an in person meeting. Thanks again for sharing your experience! 💜
This girl in the video is the perfect example of people not reading and listening because she clearly has not listened to anything said at the beginning of the meeting. And clearly she wants to still use period
Yup and you know
This because ????
I think you are projecting your feelings on her.
Great content!!! As a N.A member with over 5yrs Clean, I can personally say this was very informative and relatable. Keep spreading Love ❤️
Thank you so much! That really means the world to me!
Thank you for this video. You were very smart to title it the way you did as I came here looking for some connection about the isolation I feel even after months in the rooms. I live an a very drug stricken area and too often do a feel apart from rather than apart of because my experience isn’t “as bad” as some of my predecessors or other’s around me and I just hoped to have a stronger front row to lean on by now in my every day. I know most of that is because I don’t use my phone lists and I don’t socialize much after meetings but I’m a single father dragging my 5 yr old daughter to meetings in my area and it’s my own guilt and shame that has me in my head assuming all these people are thinking “what must he have done to make this beautiful girls mother walk away”? Additionally, I didn’t listen to the suggestions in the beginning and wish I would have done so many things differently when I first entered the rooms, mainly, just sitting down, shutting up, and soaking it in. Unfortunately I came in thinking I had such a profound understanding of my experience from the beginning and the old timers just don’t seem to want to shake that idea of me. They don’t have to say anything for me to think this it’s just the way they are towards me.
So my advice to anyone who found this video looking for a reason to quit your program and stop meeting attendance, please consider the idea that it could be the early signs of relapse and your addiction slowly isolating you, pulling you away from the fellowship and sinking its ugly claws back in. I know right now I probably should be trying to get ahold of my sponsor but I feel like they’ve heard me battle with whether this is for me or not a hundred times and if I would have just listened to the suggestions made in the beginning maybe I’d feel a little differently now but old timers often have very harsh ways of putting these suggestions because their predecessors were ever more hardcore in their early days.
Just for Today: I am an addict every day, but today I have the choice to be a recovering addict. I will make that choice by practicing my program.
So thankful for the fellowship of Narcotics Anonymous, finally free from active addiction
I just stumbled on to your channel. I enjoyed watching this very much. I could totally relate to the girls video. I loved how you explained everything. It is very relatable. It is a shame that she had negative comments. The newcomer is the most important person.
I am so glad you enjoyed this video! I absolutely agree! If we are treating the newcomer as the most important person than we should never be leaving negative comments. I really enjoyed hearing her perspective and using it to teach a little bit about what NA is really about. Hope you'll check out some of my other videos! 💜
I've heard about decent na meetings but the ones I've been to were pretty bad. One time when at na I went outside for a ciggie, was joined by the guy running the meeting and he thought it funny to imitate and take the piss out of the ppl that had just shared. If na works for you great. If not then move on. I moved on and have been clean for 2yrs.
I was court ordered to attend NA, . Then, stayed 25 years. Made some friends. None I have today. Finally, it just got to be so negative. I chose to end it. My sponsor needs mental counseling. I've had counseling different times in my life. It's always been a positive experience for me.
Im glad you have something that works for you. I think we need to be flexible in our recovery and do whatever is working best for us at any given time.
I totally agree with you. I also just find that the NA groups near me aren’t a good fit, and I’m also considering that I may not be an addict. So I’m continuing to explore myself and options while also sticking to my values and being open about my experiences with NA.
Yea not all NA groups are ones I like. I think it's good that you are exploring your options and figuring things out!
this was a good video Jexi. I am so glad that you did a video like this on her video. All I care about as a recovering addict is that they can live a clean and functional life.
Thanks David! I am really glad you enjoyed this! I absolutely agree with you! If a person is living a safe, happy and productive life than I could care less about how they made it there. Thanks so much for commenting!
Sheep repeat the same stuff over and over
This answers my question as to why there were so few young(er) people in my meetings. I see now how, in my youthful arrogance, I could have come to the same conclusions had I come into N/A early on in my addiction. I hope she found another way to get through whatever she was dealing with (I'd love to see that young lady make an update).
To speak to the "junkies don't care what they're taking". She's almost correct, but it's because a "junkie '' is not only an addict. Not only are "junkies" addicts, they are addicts who we look down upon, but just like us, they too had the thought, "Oh, I'd never." What I and the girl in the video didn't see is that, sadly, addiction has and will take precedence over all morals, promising eventually anything you hold dear. My hope is she was fortunate enough to recognize this before she lost anything irreplaceable.
It's amazing to see this now. Thank you for the video.
Thank you! I have seen this video, and i love hov you pickt it apart and explained it in a loving, compationet and gracefull way.
Thank you🙏
Thank YOU! I really appreciate you leaving a comment like this. I'm going to be doing a whole lot more of these types of videos in the future. Thanks for being so sweet! ☺💜
We laugh all the time in meetings. I can't imagine not being able to laugh.
We get rowdy with our laughs eh 😂
Some of the shit is hilarious. Sometimes we cry! All feelings are welcomed in the rooms 😎
God you’re so understanding to me all I see is an addict whose making up an excuse for their next relapse by saying the program they were referred too is terrible but that’s why I’m still working the steps god bless y’all
I want your recovery! I really appreciate your civility and understanding. I try to be polite and respectful myself, and you have inspired me to continue doing what works for me while being kind and understanding of others.
Thank you so much! My recovery is still work but I have found that the more I understand myself the easier it is to understand other people. Makes it harder to have resentments when you can understand people's motivations. I try to stay positive. Thanks so much for taking the time to comment. It really means a lot!
NA is for addicts. They originally wanted to call it addicts anonymous but AA is already taken. While NA focuses on drugs It also clearly identifies alcohol as the drug that it is. I find in a more encompassing and it's also a bit more intense than AA. Since I'm an addict I do the NA program. I guess if you're only in alcohol and nothing else AA might work, but I find being an addict is a lot more than being into narcotics. It's more about getting spiritual principles in your life and identifying your addictive behaviors in all aspects of your life. With spiritual principles you can check yourself daily with things like self-centeredness and what not that lead to bad behavior and ultimately will give the addiction strength and allow you to justify using again.
I used to do NA meetings for years....I stopped them because the meetings make me feel sad and I think they do more damage than doing any good. I started SMART Recovery and I find it way better than what NA preaches...also I find many old timers in NA to be control freaks and egomaniacs. I feel much better after leaving NA Meetings...my mental health has definitely improved since then...
I think it's great that you found something that worked for you. SMART Recovery is a great program. It just had too many mixed messages for me so I wasn't really a fan. What's important is finding something that works for you. Thanks so much for commenting!
@@AccordingtoJexi I am curious to know what kind of mixed messages you got...could you kindly elaborate ?
@@extremekurt Sure! So for the most part SMART recovery suggests complete abstinence but they also recognize that some people may be okay to use occasionally. Although I am a big believer in harm reduction (which is obviously not an NA ideal), I think it can be harmful for those in early recovery. In general, I think its better for those in early recovery to stay away from all substances. Again I do think harm reduction is better than hard using. But as a program it's a bit of mixed messaging and I worried that for myself it would give me an excuse to use on occasion and not feel badly about it. Again, I don't think the program is bad. I love that it has a very strong science and medicine based focus. For me, however, I felt I was better off with an abstinence based program. For the record, even though I am a member of NA, my personal ideals and that which I share on my channel is not NA. I personally believe that recovery is specific to each individual and that we should support people regardless of how they choose to recover.
The reason I did this particular video is I read the comments on the original video and felt that she was getting a lot of hate. I could understand why she felt the way she did and thought it could be helpful to address her points in a positive way. We should be loving and supportive of all people in recovery and understand that everyone's journey is unique. Not everyone loves every program. My experience in NA has been positive but many have not had that experience. I just try to point out that in most cases that is because of other people and not necessarily the program. I hope that makes sense and answers your question. Im always a believer in open dialogue and love hearing other people opinions in the comments! 💜
@@AccordingtoJexi Thank you for the prompt reply...it helped me. I have read Smart Recovery literature and they focus on abstinence much like NA does and it doesnt encourage occasional using is what I know of...it just doesnt criminalize a relapse much like NA does, the only major difference I found is that if an individual relapses in NA then he has to start allover again and that is not the case with Smart Recovery because there is no counting of clean time approach....also when I used to do NA meetings and was involved in fellowship there was no tool which NA has to control urges to use and relapse prevention and I found lots of helpful tools in the Smart Program...I agree with your analysis that most people who are disappointed with NA are because of the behaviour of certain members and not the NA program. Take care. ❤
@@extremekurt I plan to start uploading again pretty regularly. I will actually have a new video up in just a few. I would love to hear your thoughts on anything new I post. Also if you have an topics you'd like to see me discuss feel free to let me know. Thanks again for sharing your thoughts!
The last na meeting I attended I nipped out for a ciggie with the guy running the meeting. He thought it was funny to imitate and take the piss out of the previous shares! I don't like many aspects of na but I'd definitely advise any addict to try it, take what's good for you from it, leave the rest. Whatever works. I was definitely going to die an addict, shooting snowballs all day. I'm 2yrs clean now and although I'm struggling with life I have no intention of relapsing. I don't even have drug dreams anymore. Any hopeless cases out there, you can do it. Keep on keeping on and it will happen.
I absolutely agree that NA is at least worth a try. Sometimes just hearing others share that they were able to get clean gives hope to those struggling. You'll find assholes in some meetings because you can find assholes anywhere. But the program itself is helpful to a lot of people. Thanks so much for commenting!!
We really like your attitude Jex, we are looking for folks to share their ESH on our upcoming podcast in April. Reach out if this sounds like something youd like to do! Great video! I admit I got my feathers ruffled at first too lol but you make the greatest point of all... catch more bees with honey then... whatever that saying is! Blessings to you.
The so called cult saved my life .
Mine too!
@@AccordingtoJexi Mine as well _From India
Good for you. Now for those that tell you they don't want your cult, make sure you tell them to not let the door let them hit them in the backside in their way out the meeting room door.
I was just thinking of joining narcotics anonymous. Cause I've been a looooong time narcotic addict and of course alcohol addict. But when I went to an AA meeting for the first time they spoke of using a greater power than myself and it just felt really weird. Like it bothered my conscience personally so I stopped going at once. It just wasn't for me. Plus I didn't like that they essentially had a "Bible" of their own. I'm a devout Christian and it felt like I was part of another religion which bothered me. So I just stopped going.
In NA they are very clear about what a power greater than yourself is. It's simply something loving caring and greater than yourself. It could be a Christian God or simply faith in the universe. It doesn't matter as long as you know you aren't alone in the world. AA has a bit more Christian religious undertones than NA does. It is not meant to get in the way of any religious belief you have but rather let those who may not have a belief know they can still believe in something to help them stay clean. It's simply about having faith and learning to not feel alone in the struggle.
To me the greater power is going to the meetings themselves. And it’s working so far. I’m nearly 5 months clean after being addicted to drugs for 33 years. I’ve now got myself a sponsor who is a nice caring dude and I’ve just started my step one.
We are all individuals! I have been addicted to morphine and Xanax and I had help from NA in the beginning, but now I can handle it on my own!
I know that my way out of my addictions isnt the way for everyone! Dont judge others for choosing a way that works for them!
Update? It’s been a year
@@ClintonMcCutchin Im clean and moved out in the countryside with a newly adopted stray dog.
I am here out of pure desperation... Whatever my sponsor /N A suggested I am doing.
Today : I AM CLEAN.
I am so sorry you are feeling that desperation but on the flip side, that gift of desperation is what helped get a lot of us clean. Just know you have support, you are not alone, and it will get better. Feel free to reach out anytime!!
i feel so lucky after hearing her experience. for the most part i’ve only come across great people. that girl does seem very close minded however, i can’t blame her i was the same way but i guess when your options run out and you hit rock bottom you become more open to certain options. I’m 40 days sober and have been to an NA meeting every night so far. I’m looking for a sponsor now but idk why i’m having such a hard time choosing one and specially asking him. i have some options but i think i’m just overthinking it.
Be careful who you make a sponsor. Some of these sponsors in AA are total psychos trying to control your life. I got lucky and got a sponsor who ghosted me when I refused to admit my life was unmanageable sober, and also from not being able to meet him up on a couple 630 saturdays..Saturdays... I got super lucky not having a sponsor and getting to tell people I have one lol. That's your best case scenario as the steps are for narcissists not for normal people.
So take your time and don't just let some random person access to your life like that. Set boundaries if you do. I've yet to hear of a good sponsor story.
I mostly quit going to aa because it's stupid. But I'm gonna possibly keep going back for coins as I kinda like them enough to sit through the stupid meetings. At least I can get a coffee and candy for a buck too lol. But hell after 90 meetings only like a couple were any good at all. It's like the biggest waste of time ever and you start to realize just how insane most of the people there are the more you go. But... what the hell I'll take a coin. Already met 2 girls there I talk to too lol. Basically about all that stuff has been good for
Just be super super careful who you pick as a sponsor,a
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@@timweedon2785 thanks for the advice. yea i was going to both AA and NA meeting but i didn’t really like the AA meeting, I could relate a lot more with NA. There is really only one person i met who gave me some bad vibes. i’m 29 years old, this guy is probably like 60 and he was trying to tag along to my grandmas birthday dinner party literally the first day i met him bc he said i can’t go to any events until i’m at least 6 months sober. after that he kept trying to ask random people if they can go with me and wouldn’t stop texting me about it. i just ignored him after a while but the guy really creeped me out. i asked one guy to be my sponsor and he said we’ll try it out but he has 8 other ppl he’s sponsoring, which works out perfect for me bc i’m not one to call people every day and definitely like to set some boundaries which he respects.
@@x8ah a busy one might be the best bet. No sponsor at all is your best bet probably lol. But here is another story. This girl I hang out with in aa had a friend in aa who just found out she has stage 3 cancer a few weeks ago. Her sponsor got really upset she missed meetings to go to cancer treatment centers. She also wouldn't let her go out to see a movie with her friend. She makes her check in multiple times a day... she doesn't care this lady is probably going to die of cancer.
AA is a den of narcissists who are looking for sponces to abuse. Be careful
I have found that in my few and often short-lived encounters with NA and AA is that there are many generational and cultural and socio-economic differences among the members in the groups meeting. I think among the more sheep-like members, they can easily become kind of overbearing and like a Jehova Witness knocking at your door when you're not interested or can't quite relate which in turn turns a lot of people away. I am not against the NA or AA programs, but I have yet to relate to them or find them useful in my recovery. But if they work for others, then I support them. Nice peacekeeping video and I agree sending negative responses to someone's initial reaction only further validates their views if accurate or not. I am kind of neutral and see all sides and not really a big NA fan, but review their literature and check out their meetings at time and try to understand or find value in their approach.
Hey Chris! Thanks so much for your response! I love the way you stated your perspective and can absolutely agree with everything you said. Thanks for your kind words about the video! Hope you have a great week!
So this is very weird.
Hard to believe.
A lot of people are looking for a way out before committing to stay.
34 years clean NA
So excited!
Me too!! This is a video I am very proud and excited about! Hope you enjoy it!
I prefer AA meetings to NA meetings. Even though I'm not a big drinker and I'm a heroin addict. I get a lot more from the people who go. The NA meetings (This is my opinion, don't let it stop you from trying every avenue) seem full of ego and who can do the best share. I've also seen lots of the men who I know, preying on the newcomers and vulnerable women. They all stuck together in a 'click' and throw words and phrases at you like, "That's your shit" or "You're deflecting" or "You're in your pity pot". I could go on all day about the rhetoric they use. I've known some of the larger characters with even larger Ego's to have 10 plus sponsees. And these sponsers are passing on their opinions on how these addicts should live their life. The dangerous thing is, that the sponsees look up to the sponsers as people of great wisdom as some kind of demi God's. It's very dangerous. If they told them to jump off a cliff to help their addiction they would. They also tell you NA is the only way. This exhausts all other avenues you may use to get clean and stay clean. I dunno? I just seem to get a lot more strength and real wisdom from AA.
I love NA. The people are awesome ❤️
Agreed! 💜
Attraction rather than coercion. Attraction rather than humiliating.
We know, that we are powerless over people. Desire cannot be forced.
NA doesn't convince addicts, the newcomer needs to identify, find similarities in experience. Some can identify quick, some will understand or realize slowly.
"We will love you till you are able to love yourself. We are patiently waiting for you to find the similarity, realize your problem, and give it a try"
10th Tradition, our way isn’t the only way. People can disagree without being disagreeable. All we do is share our experience, strength and hope about what OUR program does for us. OUR program, not what other people would like it to be. See for yourself if you fit the literature. If you identify with our problem perhaps you may identify with our solution.
Very well said
Thank you for your objectivity and clear headedness.
You are very welcome
Yes!!! You put everything into perfect wording! I completely understand where this person is coming from. It took me a while to find the right meeting.
Thanks for commenting Stephanie! Exactly! I think we need to understand that people experience things differently and it doesn't make their experiences wrong. I was excited to do this video as I thought it could be super helpful to both newcomers and people who have been in recovery awhile. Hope you have a great rest of your week!
I am 4 months clean coming back from a relapse after 2.5 years clean
Jexi old-timers forgot the 5th and 12th tradition I understand that about the clubhouses and sober houses the reason why we have the clarity statement that when we label ourselves as addicts and alcoholics or talking about living clean and sober the NA message is blurred our to speak in this manner
Na helped me a lot for a while but then it started to hinder me . There was lots of people attending just to look good for the law probation etc basically for legal reasons and had no intention on stopping using also I am not religious and it felt cult like at times and covid stopped all physical meetings so I just did it by myself and stopped using my opinion is it works for some and not others . Thanks for the video it really is after helping understand the situation better lots of love from eurpoe x
P s it wasn't easy! But it's worth it
Glad to hear you are doing well. In my opinion the important part is finding something that works for you. Sounds like you are doing that and I am happy to hear it!! Thanks so much for commenting!
Remember to always be kind!! We can learn so much from people who have a differing opinion than us. Let me know if I should do more videos like this!
I been in NA for 10 years. It's full of hypocrites that like to give up their agency to deflect the blame from themselves.
Great video! And I love your new intro! I really enjoy your channel and always look forward to watching your new videos! :)
Thank you so very much! You have no idea how much that means to me! Thanks a ton for all your support. 💜☺
When I first went to NA I thought the repetitive slogans were a form of insanity. While insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results, the interesting thing about NA being repetitive is that you get different results. You get the result of not using. You get the result of more clarity and more opportunity in your life cuz you're not loaded. I used to not like the repetitive language and slogans at all, but I realized it was just me not understanding and wanting to judge everything because I was right and everyone else in the world is wrong. With that thinking which is essentially the opposite of spiritual principles, it just keeps you jammed up and in a place where you're thinking disease can allow you to justify using. It's an interesting disease cuz it really is a disease of the mind caused by who knows what. I've heard people in there that really struggle that have been molested, beaten, foster home and what not. I've also seen people in the rooms that have a nice family and a lot of money. Addiction does not discriminate! Rich, poor, race, religious beliefs etc.... addiction does not discriminate. If you have it, you have it. People all over the world have addiction. It's really neat that there's a program too arrest it if you're willing to do the work which turns out to be way easier than using most of the time. Anyone struggling, I highly recommend going to meetings and sharing and just getting out of your skin for a little bit.
The desire to stay clean. If you're not ready you're just not gonna get it. it took me years in and out to be ready. i hit enough pain finally to give up.
Keep coming back, we love you.
Thank you so helpful. 💓
Starting to watch the video now. I'm an active member of Narcotics Anonymous but I think it's important to recognize that not everyone is going to have the same experience that I did.
Exactly! Each person has such a unique experience with recovery and I agree that it is important to recognize that. Thanks for commenting!
You absolutly correct. NA is for poeple with no lives and feel the need for attention. Shout out for the guy with all of the key tags hanging from a key chain. Your a legend and we love you
You have such love, understanding and compassion for this girl ...............Thank you for your example
You are very welcome! Thanks so much for taking the time to leave a comment. It really means a lot to me! 💜
AA and NA are the identical programs. what happened in 1953 is that NA fixed something that was not broken. NA has more members who are antisocial, criminal, probation and parole subjects, more mental illness, more medicated on psychotropic drugs and shorted periods of sobriety.
My most messed up experience is that years ago I had a neighbor who was a homosexual, I was using drugs at the time and he invited me, what I ended up seeing was him picking up very vunerable new recruits and bringing him to his house, it was messed up
Here are my thoughts as someone that became addicted to cocaine and opiates back around 2006. I had to go to rehab twice before I "got it". Luckily, as a veteran I was able to use the Veteran Affairs Hospital for my treatment. I have been clean since April 27, 2016. NA for me was a nlbig factor in helping me. I recognize that NA has some shortcomings yet I feel the benefits far outweigh the bad. One thing I don't like about NA is how new females are always targeted by men in the room including those who want to take advantage of their vunerability. I have seen that in N.A. meetings in multiple states where I have attended meetings, conferences, and conventions. However, most of what this woman says I have never witnessed nor heard of. I think she most likely is not ready to recover and hasn't reached rock bottom. Most people that complain about N.A. and will list all the problems ( real and imagined ) they have with it are the ones that only are at the meeting because they have been ordered to buy a court, probation officer, etc. They claim all these faults with the program so that they can say that they tried but that it doesn't work for them. When this young woman hits rock bottom she will be ready to surrender and will be open to recovery.
It's the only program that works for me. I've got 20 years of data points using and not and when I'm not actively in recovery I eventually fall on my face again. If I show up, share, get a sponsor and do step work I grow as a person and don't use. It's really that simple. I've been trying to think my way out of this thinking disease my whole life and this is the only thing that's worked.
Thank you. Great title, and even better message. Peace and Blessings.
Thank you! 💜
Nice clear explanation for newcomers !! Can I translate it for Russians NA ?
You mean so it has subtitles? I also have other videos about NA that may be helpful to newcomers. Thanks so much for commenting!
Thank you for this video 🙏❤️
Depends on the group, country I guess.
I had great experience and met good people with conects so you could get a job even and really serious about staying clean
NA has a succes % of less than 5%. But I am very happy I went there. I did not work for me either but step 2 did. It made me convert to Islam and going to the Mosque. Islam got me clean and sober. Im over 7 years clean. What I did not like about NA was that when I was sitting there clean and happy that most people there had such a bad and depressed energy it felt liked they sucked all the happiness out of me. Like they were parasites living from my energy. I felt very tired and bad after those sessions. In the Mosque I only felt good and positive energy and was able to fill myself with that great energy.
Really you should have researched Islam that's got to be the most ignorant lying religion on the planet I feel sorry for you that Islam what's your choice of religion.That you believe women have half a brain and that it's okay to sleep with non Muslim women against their will you can deny all this I'll pull up the Hadith buddy I probably know more about your religion than you do because somebody that's really studied Islam becomes an x Muslim. Unless you're a sociopath and then it's the religion for you
This sounds like she bumped into some old timers with the old style attitude. I dont like it either. "baby the addict Bury the addict" - that's not licence to be an ass hat!
Recovery is a personal journey and some people won't find the hard aproach helpful at all.
Her experience was not nice but I hear plenty of denial. She'll be back when the pain of using is too much and she'll hopefully have an open mind.
Great response video. You clearly have a very attractive spiritual principled way of life. "attraction rather than promotion" in action. There's lots of girls put there that need you as a sponsor. ❤️
Thanks Sean for your comment! I agree with you. I think attraction is how we keep people coming. I always like to think about how I would feel in a situation. Sure, oldtimers are used to a stricter way but with so many dying from opioids, we don't have the luxury of waiting until someone is so desperate they will stay no matter what is said. Im always honest with those around me but I do so while remaining kind. I'm glad you enjoyed this response video. I am hoping to do more in the future. Have a great week!
NA
should rewrite the steps
instead of writing all the times you were powerless over drugs and thinking about all the times you were powerless.
It should tell you that you are powerful enough to stop when you want.
Think a new programme should be written normal NA obviously does not work
I think NA works for a lot of people. Although I do think the fact that there are a lot of recovery options out there now is great for everyone. NA states that we are powerless over addiction but we are completely in control of our recovery. Most people do not understand the way NA views powerlessness until they read more of their literature. Perhaps I will do a video explaining that in more detail. Thanks for the suggestion! Hope you have a great rest of your week! 💜
You are a good example for recovery person
Thank you :)
As always, great video Jexi. I love how you responded with humility, kindness, and respect 💗 Why isn't your channel over 1000 yet 😈 Get subscribing people and support Jexi, she deserves it🤝
Thanks Murk! I really appreciate all your love and support! Getting to the 1000 subscriber mark has been soooo hard. I have faith though that I will eventually get there. I have a lot of plans for future videos so hopefully with more uploads it'll help. Thanks again for being so awesome!!
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I've heard the door nob thing thousands of times in NA
Yea but I think some of that is people who also do AA. In NA literature it says a higher power should meet the criteria of being "loving, caring, and greater than you". A doorknob doesn't really fit that criteria. There are many in NA who repeat things they heard in AA without realizing there are some major differences in the programs.
I'm a newcomer to NA. Have been to several AA meetings. Haven't seen this girls video but I might share some of her concerns. What bothered me is I felt I was eavesdropping on counselling sessions. People crying made me feel uncomfortable. Also I felt "boring" in that my story is pretty
moderate, no huge dramas. So I'm not sure whether to go back. I like the people but I'm not sure I fit in.
On the other hand, I find these support meetings more spiritual than attending any church. Can I attend these meetings as a form of Christian worship? Instead of going to Church. Hence the referral to higher power doesn't bother me at all.
I think meetings are most helpful when used in the way that is best for us. If you find it better regarding spiritual support than that's great! The fact that your story is boring is a GOOD thing!! Thank goodness that addiction didn't cause you to have more trauma. Never apologize for that! That's something to be grateful for. In NA we would say you still have a lot of "not yets". Those are things in other people's stories that may not be part of yours but could be if you keep feeding your addiction. My advice is to continue to go to different meetings in different places until you find one that makes you feel at home. Every meeting is so different and sometimes you'll be super comfortable at one and feel like an outsider at another. Just know we all feel that way from time to time. Thanks so much for commenting!
@@AccordingtoJexi great response Jexi. I will try different meetings. I might gravitate to older member meetings. I'm in my sixtees. One thing bothers... The " not yet" slogan you mentioned. Not sure it is either helpful or accurate in my case. Thanks again.
@@antidepressant11 I completely understand about the not yet slogan. It's really more about ensuring people don't feel left out simply because they don't have as low of a bottom as someone else. Either way, as I have said many times in my videos, recovery is about finding what works for you and leaving the rest. Have a great weekend!!
After 26 years of NA, I enjoyed the years behind me. I've some great experiences. A few years back I was ready to part ways with my sponsor. He attends both NA&AS. He does 2 or more meetings daily. With 32 years in NA/AS, I think he has an addict ion to meetings. Failing to step out of the "comfort zone". I found him imitating me. I purchased Bed, TV, knee braces, ring, car etc. He purchased all he could. I purchased a home. He can not! " You pay Assc dues". The negative he used to justify him not purchasing. He the only person I know to catch the flu recently. He's 72 years old can not read. Okay, more about me. I can't be being with him more than ten minutes. So, I told him for my continued growth. I must move on. I'm at the point, meetings are a negative environment.
If your thinking got you into your presently unmanageable situation, why would you then complain and insist on repeating the same failed strategies? That's the definition of insanity, repeating the same mistakes and expecting different results. This is a simplified explanation but nonetheless makes the point that we should be open-minded and willing to listen to something other than the inner voice that led us to addiction. That includes listening to your doctor. 12-step groups proliferated precisely because there has been no sustained medical treatment available. Your dentist will refuse to see you if you cannot pay. AA and NA are free and have been the only support for many decades.
That's NOT the definition of insanity.Look it up in the dictionary
I just love you're video's!🤗💕 You're such a sweetheart. Great video!😊
Thanks Rosie!! I really really appreciate your support! Thanks for your kind words. It really makes my whole day!!! 💜☺
The problem with 12 step meetings is it’s not professional but it doesn’t need that at all and they need regulation. The issue is they need updating too. The problems with 13th stepping and it legit being based on religion is bad. It teaches you to blame yourself for being raped and finding your part in it. There is no trauma therapy.
One could be successful with going to meetings early on and NO step work but instead having cognitive behavioral therapy, dialectical behavioral therapy, and trauma focused therapy. Then if the person has maybe a year or two they can work on the steps. The idea that you need to share everything is irrational especially with a sponsor who isn’t even legally bound to keep your secrets. I don’t believe that fourth steps are all that healthy. Also the program thrives on guilt and shame. If they restructured it to work against guilt and shame it might help more people.
Also abstinence based recovery is statistically proven to fail. The idea and finality of it is very hard on the brain. Stats show that after thorough therapy one is able to drink regularly. Most of the ppl in the rooms are traumatized ppl.
The one thing i will add is that the experience and help of other addicts is a giant positive to these programs
I can absolutely appreciate your opinion. There are definitely ways a person can improve their chance of success in recovery but getting professional help along with peer support. In many areas of NA they agree with you on the step work and suggest people do one step a year. I have always believed that step work is a personal thing and shouldn't be pushed on a person to do until they are ready. NA luckily makes updates every 2 years. Because of its decentralized structure, the process for change is very slow but it is set up to make changes regularly. I am not sure if AA does this but I know NA does. I have always found AA to be a little too religious for me and that is one of the main reasons I have preferred NA. So overall I agree that therapy is probably something that most addicts need but I also think peer to peer support is a great addition to anyone's recovery program. Thanks for sharing your opinion! :)
Alcohol IS a drug. We need to stop separating the two. It's extremely dumb.
The first treatment centre I went to that was 12 step based definitely made me feel like it was a cult. It didn’t help that when I went for blood work while at treatment, the office incorrectly put the centre’s address as KULT KILL ROAD which is was actually kult hill road. I was like... it’s a sign from God!!!
But nah... it took me a while to like the meetings. Since then I did have a little relapse but I’m almost a month clean and sober and this time around is so much better. I’m using all the tools I learned from rehab and the 12 step program and going to SO many meetings. I understand alcohol is a drug but I may have used to drink 5 times a year so if I went to an AA meeting I had to say I was an Addict because I felt like I was lying to myself. Now when I go to AA meetings, I say I’m an alcoholic. It’s not my meeting. It’s our meeting. It still feels weird for me to say but I know there is growth within me because before I would rant to my sponsor about how I’ll never say I’m an alcoholic 😂
I’m loving this clean and sober life but more than that I’m loving recovery and the cool friends I’m making. I get and give free hugs and that is an amazing feeling.
Thanks so much for sharing this with me! Happy to hear recovery is currently working well for you!
@@AccordingtoJexi Thank you Jexi and thanks for your video! You are a great example of what recovery can do for someone.
@@cameronw.2775 Thank you so much! I really appreciate you saying that!
She's in complete denial & has no desire to stop using. Bless her
Either way I thought she brought up some good points that were worth sharing. Thanks for commenting!
@@AccordingtoJexi you done a good job lovely
@@nefretitiharley6511 Thank you so much!
keep coming back🥰
thanks for beautiful sharing✌
A few years ago I went to an all women's NA meeting group. I did this maybe 3-4 times. These women had their own click and were not welcoming at all. I didn't share until the last day I was there and they had nothing to say in response. I felt judged and like they didn't care I was there. Needless to say I stopped going to this group which was very unfortunate. I switched to an AA group which was much more welcoming. This is just my experience.
Unfortunately some groups can be very cliquey and they forget that yhe newcomer is the most important person at any meeting. I am happy to hear you found a place that is welcoming and working for you. Thanks so much for sharing your experience!
They are very clickish, especially the ones with the most time my brother Steve has 40 years in Na and his wife and her friends have about 35 they are the most snobbish women you ever want to meet outside of Na, or in the program. My brother's wife hates me with deliberate intent. Yep she's doing real well in the program of Narcotics Anonymous
An all women's group isn't really a NA meeting.. under the traditional rules.. the only requirement is a desire to stop using drugs.. nothing to do with age sex race religion or lack of religion.. any group that turns an addict away from a meeting because they're a different sex is not NA.. and it goes against NA traditions...
@@johnscannell9445 well in my area it's on the na schedule so take it up with na
@@shanzys2cents I accept that women need a safe place for their recovery.. especially when trust is an issue around men.. I totally understand that and I accept that.. but it is tragic that a Male addict could be turned away from a meeting just because hes a man.. especially if he needs it to stay clean and stay alive..
"If you want what we have", Meaning I don't talk someone in to wanting recovery. Debate and an attempt to correcting viewpoints about Narcotics Anonymous are pointless, this energy is better directed to the suffering addict asking for help. The attraction to this fellowship was the result of what NA members showed me, not how they debated my underestimation of addiction. There is no better teacher than the disease itself to enlighten an addict on the horrors of addiction.
I wasn't really debating anyone in this video. I was explaining NA in general and explaining some of this person's experiences. This video IS for the addict who wants help. I'm wondering if you even watched the video or just the intro. But either way thanks for taking the time to comment!
@@AccordingtoJexi I did indeed watch the complete 31 minutes of this video. It must be exceedingly difficult to explain someone else's experiences while at the same time explaining NA in general. The video "why I can't stand NA" is someone expressing feelings about a fellowship, she is entitled to her own opinion about NA, a way to practice acceptance and respect is to let her be entitled to that opinion without rebuking or counterarguments.
After years in active addiction, I walked into NA meetings confused, ranting angry about the program and its members, and did so openly while sharing. Members in these meetings knew where I had been because they were once in that same place. They did not seek to change me, instead they relied on the program to do its work practiced unconditional love and patience, they said:
"Thank you for sharing, keep coming back, don't pick up drugs and more will be revealed" They were right ;-)
@@dennis4298 And that was exactly my message here. I did not say her experiences were wrong. In fact, I made this video because the comments on the original video from NA members, were awful and cruel. I felt it was important as an active NA member myself to let this person know their experience was valid, while also explaining some of NA to those who may be curious. So I'm not sure where the disagreement is here? Sounds like we are agreeing and saying the same thing
great job! personally i love all programs..
Thank you!
Just like churches, in the rooms their are toxic people just like there is in everyday life. Its unfortunate but true.
Exactly! There will always be toxic people in any group but that doesn't mean the group is bad. Thanks so much for commenting!
Yup of course!!! One bad apple doesn't contaminate the whole.batch
@@djereturns11 You are so right!
19:00 "the ppl there were CLEARLY addicted to the meetings"... another channel calls this "sobriety disorder"
Where can i go to detox and not haveta deal with aa and na
She is a self admitted "science obsessed weirdo" and many of us are constantly looking to debunk things. I wish her the best of luck ❤️ 🤞
Good video. I dont talk to much about addiction on my channel as my opinion is a lot different then others and more controversial but who know I may do it anyway
I think you should! We all have different opinions on addiction and I think the more information we put out there the more likely it is to help people. I believe it's a better world when we can all share our differences of opinion openly. Thanks so much for commenting!
@@AccordingtoJexi I agree
Did you ever do it? Make a video about it?
Nope, I disagree. Go by the traditions and guide lines and NO STEP 13.
NA is a cult
Some members are not well on the same day to put it politely and our Traditions warn us of such controlling individuals with powerful personalities that can become an extension of their wilful behaviour sometimes infecting other groups. Our first Tradition states that no one can make us do anything we do not wish to do and all our literature explains that we are of service, never of government, we do not govern although some may try. I recently had a negative experience with a narcissistic control freak who forced me to wear a mask at a venue that does not require their staff or tenants to do so and I have the key to that venue and I have been clean since August 1996. The same member downloaded a government mandate from the internet threatening members who don't comply with fines and prison. Definitely not NA approved or WSO approved. If I was a newcomer and never knew about our 12 Traditions, 12 Concepts for NA service and all our other literature I would have left and never come back. Please use your boundaries and free will and read and learn our literature that renderer those personalities powerless...
Actually aa & na have an identical 12 step program apart from the first half of step 1 why say they are different when fundamentally they’re not and there is absolutely nothing wrong with this.
The steps themselves are identical but the programs themselves have some differences. Perhaps I will make a video going through the differences. MARA, which is based off NA also made their slight differences to the program. I think it's a good thing that each time a recovery program is started they make minor changes. Thanks so much for commenting!