My grandmother took Thalidomide during her pregnancy, she got my dad but he was born with a deformed thumb and also deaf. He met my deaf mother though, who is also deaf because of Thalidomide. Today they’re in a group for people that got affected by Thalidomide and it’s like a big family!
@@Angry.General1461 it’s entirely possible that it could have no effect. in fact, it’s probably more possible that the vaccine has no effect on the infant. science has progressed a lot more since thalidomide was released. we know more about drugs and chemicals and what they do to pregnant women. i’m not saying it will 100% not harm children but i hope it helps you sleep at night to know that there’s a big chance the children of vaccinated mothers will probably be alright.
@@pu55yeatermulletl0ver5 The development of chemicals, their testing, restrictions, etc and the progress that has been made in those fields are a completely different discussion than that of vaccines. Especially the Covid "vaccine" which is not even a vaccine by the traditional definition or pharmacology. A person of your intelligence would do well to research these topics before forming any set opinions as you would likely be able to understand the implications from a more objective point of view. An aptitude that sadly, eludes most.
@@nicholasbstone you still haven’t disproved that the vaccine won’t harm pregnant mothers or their children, therefore my statement that the vaccine could be fine for pregnant women and children is still correct. The thought that the vaccine could be fine for those who have gotten it eases peoples minds and makes them more comfortable in the world. There is no harm in that.
My mother was given a prescription for this drug when pregnant with me...she told me that she didn't have the funds to get it filled. I am thankful for that. Thank you Giselle for sharing your story with us.
I had a best friend growing up who was also affected by this drug. Her name is Iris. She was in an electric wheelchair and had tiny arms and legs which I found boundlessly interresting and also very funny. She always wanted me to drag her out of the chair and into the sandbox. So I did. And when she was done playing, I would sit in front of her chair so she could climb on my back and I could get her back in her chair. She wasn't really allowed out of her chair but her mother knew due to all the sand in her pants...I missed her when she moved away. She was so funny and was like a ray of sunshine. I never saw her cry or be upset or even down. I loved her and she was my friend. Iris, if you're out there, your friend misses you!! Hope you are living your best life!!
My good friend Louise is a Thalidomide baby. She was born with no arms, 1 full leg and the other leg ended at the knee with a foot. She taught me how to ride and care for horses, she drives, trains service dogs and lives a full happy life. She has always been an inspiration to me
Alyson Bouchard one of my friends in 1st grade wasn’t as bad as your friend but she was born without a right hand. She wasn’t having any trouble with it and she even made fun of it with everybody else and she was so strong through all of her surgeries to help her live a normal life.
That doctor undoubtedly helped stop millions of new cases of deformities. It must have been incredibly hard to stand up to such a massive company. I’m horrified that I’ve never heard of her before.
I was born 1961. My mother, a Registered Nurse, was bleeding and close to miscarrying me. Her doctor gave her a choice....bed rest or "a new drug called Thalidomide". Thank God she chose bed rest.
The woman speaking as a thalidomide survivor is so eloquent and graceful when speaking on the topic despite suffering from it first hand. How inspiring
My maternal grandfather was a professor in gynecology in Sweden. When this came out and his colleagues started prescribe this he hesitated because he thought it was shady. He never did prescribe it to any patient despite pressure from both patients and colleagues. He viewed it as the best decision of his life.
Your grandfather was a good soul for not giving prescriptions for this drug. Ethics are supposed to be used to determine if it is right or wrong to give pharmaceutical drugs that might cause health problems for patients.
Yes. If you're interested, Rosalind Franklin actually discovered the double helix of DNA. Watson and Crick claimed it and the rest is unfortunately history. :-(
@@mello_the_cat bro it literally effects diabetics and obese at the highest rate possible. The general public doesn't need to take a non approved drug that has no liability if anything goes wrong. the effects are unknown when the glorified flu isn't even deadly if you're healthy. Sheep
@@mello_the_cat idk man. I hope there is no long term effects. Remember the vaccine didn't have a long term trial as previous vaccines. We really don't know if people will start having symptoms two or three years down. I really hope it doesn't.
My dad was born in Mexico in 1963. Today i took my dad in for an appointment. He has a deformity on his left hand. The doctor suggested that i look up thalidomide. This broke my heart. I dont lnow if this is the cause of his deformity. But i love my dad. He's a very smart man. I am six months sober today. And im helping him out with his alcoholism. God bless everyone.
I dated a girl in high school whose mother had taken thalidomide, and had birth defects to her hands. She overcame her disabilities by learning to play one of the most difficult instruments in the orchestra, and never let her differences affect her. I admire her for that, and leading a normal life, and despite some teasing from other kids she kept her head up and is still a wonderful gal.
@@gabrielam.7681 U sound 10 years old too the comment he made is just unnecessary and cringey i just didnt enjoy reading it at all who asked keep it to urself
@@melik3063 How does she sound like a 10 year old? Shouldn't you be the one to keep it to yourself since your comment is unrelated to the topic at all.
This reminds me of the radium girls. It was so obvious they were having issues but the company swore that radium was ok still. It took forever to get radium under lock and key.
@@gratefulmomma4207 woah that’s cool! (in a Super scary kind of way) I find everything about the radium girls fascinating. They say the bones of the radium girls are still radioactive to this day and will be for years to come!
I mean it's been only one year when pharma companies had millions of people take esentially untested vaccines and we're yet to learn what side effects they might have - some are comming to light now.
@@YamiKisara they aren’t untested and they’ve been in development since the SARS outbreak in 2002. It’s not wise to speak on things you know nothing about.
My oldest daughter was treated with this drug to slow the growth of a brain stem tumor....I belive it gave us 10 months that we wouldn't have had, had she not taken it. She passed away 11 months after diagnosis, but remained alert, social and carried out her last months as best a teenager with cancer could.
My mom was prescribed this when she was pregnant with me, but she figured if it worked that good it couldn’t be safe. She refused to take it , thank God.
That almost sounds like irony... Sad that if a medicine works really well it could be too good to be true, because it could create an even bigger problem.
@@mccrea_nyc_1999 But it makes perfect sence in everyday life thought! You always know that if there's an ad that promises you to become rich/gorgeous/feeling like ur 20 years younger it's a scam. If somehing is brilliantly good noone will just sell it to people affordably, they will keep it for the rich.
I went to school with a boy that had no arms and practically no shoulders due to this medication. Amazingly, he was able to do almost everything with his feet, even write.
My great aunt was a thalidomide baby. She had severe disabilities but was so sweet she was one of the most loved members of our family. I often think of her and hope she understood how adored she was ❤
The anger shouldn't be directed at the drug itself, the drug is just an unthinking object. The anger needs to be at the then lack at testing and reluctance to admit fault
'Lack of testing and reluctance to admit fault', my how some sayings reverberate through time! Sure sounds hauntingly familiar, now doesn't it? d>_0b -when will we learn from our mistakes?, it shouldn't be a matter of time when its a matter of life...dx_xb
The victims had to wait 50 years, just to get a “we’re sowwy, we weally are 👉👈” All they ever saw was the profit. If they ever saw the victims face to face, they probably wouldn’t be able to look them in the eye. So frustrating that even today, these big companies can continue to get away with this crap, while facing little to no repercussions for their actions.
Dr. Frances Kelsey 2:42 is a name every American grade school student should know. Grünenthal was breathing down Kelly's neck to hurry up and clear Thalidomide for sale in the U.S., but she proved incorruptible. Her zealous commitment to her hippocratic oath is the exact brand of heroism that truly saves the day.
when my mom was pregnant, the doctor wanted to prescribe this to her. she heard some rumors about the deformities, and she said: No way! I saw many kids of my age with "missing" limbs.
When my Mom was expecting me her doctor gave her Thalidomide. She took a few pills, then heard the stories and threw them away. She was distraught during the whole pregnancy. Fortunately it hadn't affected me. When I became aware of that fact I fell to my knees in gratitude that I am whole.
One of the countries that doesnt have any Thalidomide case is Turkey. All thanks to Professor Doctor Süreyya Tahsin who studied on medicine concluding that the drug has a side effect on the embryo. He immediately warned the health minister of the time and made sure no one used the medicine. A remarkable scientist. edit: hi everyone a lot of people corrected me on how many other countries didnt have any cases so i fixed the sentence. hope i didn't offend anyone.
My grandmother was prescribed thalidomide for two of her eight pregnancies. She had a gut feeling and decided against taking it both times. She and my grandfather were dairy farmers living paycheque to paycheque at the time and as blunt as it sounds they needed kids as farmhands. It’s a little spooky to wonder how they would have dealt with my uncles being born severely disabled.
My great aunt took thalidomide, her baby ended up being stillborn, these poor people who were affected by this drug deserve the utmost respect and love.
@@Breatheairmyguy That’s a lithopedion which is a calcification of the fetus (aka it turns to stone). A stillborn baby is just a baby that was born dead as it had died in the womb (but still looking how it should be rather than stone).
@@samjohnstone1356 @EepOpOrk OMFG Y'all can't help popping off your jealousy at educated/intelligent people. We get it. You're inferior. It bothers you so much that someone mentioned college degrees that you had to assume politics were involved somehow - probably a habit of shoving politics into every conversation by now - that you made the first insult you could think of into an adage.
My grandma (a registered nurse) was prescribed thalidomide for morning sickness, but refused to take it because it was too new to see what the side effects would be. Best choice she ever made!
My mum had terrible morning sickness when she was pregnant with me. She asked her doctor at the time if she could have thalidomide and he refused to give it her. 8m so glad he did b3cause I might have ended up just like those poor ch8ldren.
I was prescribed Thalidomide when I was pregnant with my first child and I was never told about it's side effects. My bebe has suffered with one leg shorter than the other all her life. I can't prove that it was the drug but I'm convinced it caused this deformity.
Limb lengthening is very limited and is very iffy since the usual is breaking the bone in segments and forcing space so it then would be healed in between. And that what causes the limitation you need to consider how far you can stretch the muscle and the skin yet still keep a functioning shape so thoes operations on average only give very few inches
U should have told ur spouse that these doctors did not make u aware about the side affects honestly y were they giving pregnant women these things without consulting their families
It's a good story, but it's not true. The NYT didn't do it's homework. Look at other sites for the real history of the drug which shows that, in reality, the FDA just got very very lucky due to paperwork and bureaucratic delays
I am one of the lucky ones, my mother took thalidomide whilst carrying me, I have totally messed up / missing toes on both feet. That's it. Never affected my ability to walk, get a degree, have a family or do anything else, always totally hidden, people know me for years without ever knowing I was touched by this tragedy. In comparison to many I really was not affected at all, I know life would be have been very different had it been fingers messed up rather that toes.
9:10 "We are nervous, we are ... of course frightened -- dismayed. But we realize that this is not a perfect world". What a profound, brave and concise statement
@@XuyenaFire The cure is to get of the system, but the system is preserved by the rich and powerful who benefit from it. People are indoctrinated into believing that this system is required for freedom, but then they ignore the reality that is right in front of their eyes. This is what capitalism has become, and what it will always be going forward. It can only get worse. Corporations are too powerful. The rich can change the world--and the way our daily lives work--on a whim. How is this freedom? It's not. We need to evolve beyond this era. It isn't meant to last forever.
@@edwardhisse2687 I'm not sure if you intended to use "cancerous" somewhat literally, but you're actually not even exaggerating. The corporate system is based on infinite growth (profit), despite limited resources... which, in the context of cell biology, is precisely what causes cancer to be lethal. Not even joking. Cancer is endless cell growth despite limited nutrients in the body. A normal cell has a life cycle that ends in apoptosis, where it dies, so that new cells can thrive. However, cancer cells simply refuse to die. They just continously grow and grow, until they eventually starve healthy cells of nutrients, resulting in the death of the organism as a whole.
Don't forget the first victims came from the company itself. They really did think they had developed the next ibuprofen. Spending 50 years being told by lawyers to deny everything to not get stripped of everything they own... I don't think anyone walked out of this mess unscarred.
Giselle’s attitude toward the situation is the absolute pinnacle of maturity and kindness. The fact that she was so negatively affected by the drug, but understood that it had potential to help reduce the suffering of others when used properly is absolutely awe inspiring. Her level of compassion is so refreshing and heartwarming, I hope she’s thriving.
We have diseases we didn’t know about 25 years ago. I research every medication I’m prescribed and even read anecdotal evidence about it. I’m not going to limit my length or quality of life just because a drug wasn’t developed 25 years ago. This medication paved the way for more research and safer outcomes.
Millie when in 1974 I became pregnant as a teen, my morning sickness lasted all day and night. My OB said it was the worse case he had ever seen. I was admitted to the hospital countless times for dehydration and would only allow IV fluids, saline solution, refusing to take anything else after seeing pictures of all the poor babes born in the early sixties to moms just treating their morning sickness. I was offered so many different things even Valium to stop my constant barfing. The pressure put on me by ER doctors, many OBs was extreme. They told me I was putting my baby at risk as I lost more weight instead of gaining but a picture would enter my mind of a baby born without arms and legs so I held firm. After gaining only 16 pounds, I delivered a healthy 7 lb 6 1/2 oz baby boy. With my subsequent pregnancies I stuck to my own rule, NO MEDICATIONS DURING MY PREGNANCY. Thalidomide taught me my baby's health came before me. This was a time that I knew women who still drank and smoked during their pregnancies. SMH.
Deemaree Dubois was Valium like thalidomide? if you took thalidomide imagine how your baby would look. I think that would be nightmare fuel of missing limbs syndrome
LukeTrinton Valium is a Benzosiazepine still used in emergency medicine and psychiatry.It' s very beneficial in some cases but it's addictive, so taking it once for example for a panic attack or after a serious trauma mostly won't affect the baby, but taking it frequently would get mother and child addicted, so the baby would suffer withdrawal after birth. Benzosiazepines calm you down, so withdrawals can include high blood pressure, anxiety, a increased heart rate , nausea, diarrhea , seizures etc. etc.
@Gi Gi I live in India and I'm also just 20 so I can understand it's kind of hard to come across this. But even then, I like reading a lot about history and stuff and I've never come across this by chance, so that's why I'm a little surprised.
If you're old enough, you know about the Thalidomide babies. It was a big story that got lots of attention -- 60 years ago. I was born in 1960, the year the drug came to the U.S. However, I did not grow up with a child whose mother took the drug for her morning sickness.
It'd be awesome!!! Like that Will Smith movie Concussion, love those movies and documentaires (there's a Netflix one on medical devices and it's really eye-opening)
Some stories wont make money. While she made life changing discoveries, no one is going to go see a movie filled with disabled deformed children. Its disturbing. I know I would'nt see it. It's just depressing, just the first 7 minutes of this video was more than enough for me
My dad had this during cancer treatment and I remember the body had pictures of these baby’s. And my parents told us all about how dangerous the med is. They had to provide information about how they would not have any children
I went to the high school named after Frances Kelsey. So happy a lady from a small town In Canada did something so huge. When she passed away our school had a huge memorial and it was so interesting to learn about her successes .
Kelsey Tupper Thank you so much for sharing this information! I'm so very glad to learn that she has been memorialized by your former high school. It's great to see that such a wonderful lady is being remembered, especially in this day and age when celebrities who have never benefited anyone else often gain the greatest amount of attention. I had assumed that she was an American since she worked for the US government. 🇨🇦👩🏻⚕️☤
so inspirational! u should be so proud to be a part of legacy, n dont get it twisted, ur obligated to honor her legacy! im just proud havin to replied to you! i hope u no waste your legacy just sitting back and doin nothin in the face of whats happening! be brave n proud n represent us that aint as lucky as you!!!!
She was Canadian? I didn't know that. That may explain why she doesn't get more attention in the US. Often you see people who do big things for a country that they weren't born in don't get the recognition they deserve.
My grandmother's took this drug to help with morning sicknesses and ihave an uncle who is a thalidomide hes almost 60 and has short arms up to his elbows. He is amazing and lives his life like anyone else. And thankfully within the last 10 years those poor souls were compensated from the German manufacturers and my uncle recieves a yearly payment of 65,000 nzd for next 20 years and also got a lump sum payment. They so deserved that compensation x
Good to know that (hopefully all of) those injured were compensated. I can't imagine the self-directed guilt those poor mothers lived with the rest of their lives, too. Back at a time when sleeping pills were deemed a necessity. They thought they were helping their families by getting better sleep at night. :,(
@@catbird7007 it must have been terrible for those mums, the company blaming it on them too. When I was pregnant I was terrified of taking in anything that would injure my babies health. No honey and no meds whatsoever. So then I breast fed because it stopped the babies getting allergies and prevented me from getting breast cancer!! So she has allergies and I did get breast cancer. But we have both survived and I am trying to take life as it comes now. There is so little we can control but thanks to a few brave people I didn't have to worry about taking thalidomide for morning sickness.
@@Rubiecat i knew that babies shouldnt have honey till 1 but i didn't remember why so I googled it for you:Honey can contain bacteria which can germinate in a baby's gut and cause infant botulism, a rare illness that can cause paralysis and is potentially fatal. Babies' intestines aren't mature enough to destroy the bacteria, so you'll need to keep honey away from your baby until they turn 1.
@@Rubiecat Is honey safe to eat during pregnancy? Honey is perfectly safe to eat during pregnancy. While it is known for sometimes containing bacterial spores, this is very rare. And your stomach and immune system are likely to be able to manage these bacteria, without any harm coming to you or your baby. I also recommend that everyone should research these topics themselves to develop your own opinion.
My father was one who was affected by thalidomide. He had to had surgery to fix his foot so that he could walk. This is the first video I've actually heard about thalidomide. I knew it was something in the 60s but I had no idea it was on this scale...
@@justicenow1234 thank you for worrying. He is just fine. :) His was one of the less extreme cases so the surgery really helped him. ^^ figured you'd like to know. He's okay.
@Vincent Kurushimi you're welcome...and tell your father, to know he had a successful operation makes my Soul feel a little better. It's very sad, how the Government and Drug Agencies use people for lab rats, to their own failures, created by them. It breaks my heart
That female who is a deformation victim. Is an absolute miracle and I hope she is recognized for her voice someday. She is so human. "in good conscious I cannot be opposed." She even wants nothing but a note in history. But she wants those who can be helped. to be helped. She is quite a woman.
My mother was a child when this was happening. She knew a girl deformed by thalidomide living on the same street as her. We were watching the show 'Call the Midwife' which basically depicts the kind of life my mother had in the 50's and 60's London. The episode where the words "Distaval" and "thalidomide" were spoken, she instantly remembered.
Wow what a luck! I'm so lucky to read that you're fine. English isn't my native language, but I hope I express myself good enough to tell you that I wish you everything good and only the best and that I'm lucky for you
I did! and stopped just in time a have two grown children, now. But my sister had two children born with holes in their hearts, heart murmurs. Using debendox morning sickness pills.
Exactly. This is why people hate me for not wanting the covid vaccine yet, because it's safest to wait a couple of years to REALLY know if the medicine has many high-risk side effects not found in other medicines and avoid taking something only for it to harm you and get a recall. Once it's been out for 5 years, of course I'm taking it.
Ye, but the total change of opinion on a drug that is meant to help cure some kind of cancers is pretty sad, like, I get it, you don't want more people to go through what you had to go through, but at the same time it's not the drug fault if people take it when they've not been prescribed with it and they don't respect the guidelines they're supposed to follow
I can't express how I feel. I am so touched by the victims choosing the greater good over rightful anger. They are great people. I pray they live long and happy life.
@@BadcatV nope, negligence isn’t taking steps to lessen the virus spread by shutting down travel from the place it originated and media calls you xenophobic. It’s not saying the truth about the virus being from wuhan and still it’s denied even though it’s true. Rather trump than Biden any day. America was all the better for it despite propaganda tearing us apart.
I'm a chemist and I can also shed some light on this. Thalidomide has two forms, S-thalidomide and R-thalidomide. This is called a racemic mixture. Basically there are two sides of the molecule and the R or S determines which side points up. S-thalidomide caused all of the birth defects but R-thalidomide is still an effective drug. It's one of the cases we chemists look at as one of our greatest failures and an important reminder of why the small details are important. The problem with racemic mixtures is they are hard to isolate. Chemists studying it initially only noticed and studied the R compound, which is how it made it past the first round.
I’ve been strangely obsessed with this video for a long long time. i’m now using it as an inspiration for an english school project and i want to thank you for being one of the first historical topics of mine. I’m now a history buff and this exact video was kind of the start to my lovely historical studying entertainment and interests. love y’all 💜
My mother stopped taking thalidomide after 6 weeks during her pregnancy with my older brother, he was one of the lucky ones born with stunted fingers and toes only. However it also affected his heart ..as that showed up not to be of adult size when he began having problems in his forties . He died shortly after.
As stated in the video, it's being used for several severe diseases, as a last effort, mostly in third world countries. They screen the best they can to make sure pregnant women do not take it, but as stated in the video, there are still a few cases of childhood deformities.
Sami Kay the lack of knowledge and the fact that they didn’t have any ethical nor sufficient trials done for the drugs is why we had these incidents. At that time, scientists didn’t have any ethical policies to adhere to nor they needed approval for trials or drug distribution as now. It’s through these mistakes, we learnt ... still unethical people exists and they harm the populations and those true scientists who work hard to help.
Nerdy Snailie that's not at all what this is about? The comment was about being appalled that they would let this medication be used again. There is no problem with it being used, there are several medications now that can cause deformities and death in fetuses, those medications aren't perscribed to pregnant women and the patient is told to not get pregnant. The medication itself is not this evil dangerous thing, it helps give dieing people a normal life for the remainder of their time on earth.
Props to Dr. Kelsey for standing her ground. This was also in a culture where women were meant to defer to men. She was a tough lady who didn't take any BS, that's for sure.
I once did a job for a new mum. At the end of the day she was talking to me while cradling her baby girl. I reached out to sqeeze what thought was the baby's hand, and to my shock it was just the stub of her arm. The poor mum explained to me that her beautiful little girl was born with no feet, and no hands. I went home that day to my wife and I just burst into tears about that poor baby's horrible handicap.
It's ironic, we imagine strong, fit, and beautiful people as leaders and heroes, but it's often people with deformities and disabilities that most illustrate the best of the human spirit.
This made me smile. Always felt really down and privileged about my disability, sometimes never felt it was a real or valid one, always felt there were stories that upped mine so I couldn't be disabled. I didn't even know I was disabled until this year. I'm a type one diabetic since 5 years old
I was born with a lower limb deformity and nobody knows why. There is no reason, I live with it because, it is just the way I am but it makes me so angry that some people who have to go through this didn't have to. Big love and massive admiration for anybody else living with a limb deformity! 💕💜💕💜💕
No my Mum didn't take anything whilst pregnant with me. She was really careful. I have a condition called PFFD (Proximal Femoral Focal Deficiency) There no reason for it. Just one of those things. xxx
Whattheshizzle You make Link look bad. You might think you're giving a compliment, but it sounds so condescending. Her Snapchat filter pic is adorable and I'm sure she thinks the same. Doubt she uses it to hide anything.
Michelle K sorry. I didn’t mean to make it sound rude, it’s just that I know some people that use filters because they don’t feel confident about their noses, etc. If it really sounds as bad as you say, I’ll just delete the comment. I’m just terrible at being nice, I guess.
Unfortunately around that time there were not too many sources of information available as compared to now. Kudos to Dr. Kelsey for her brave stand, resulting in saving so many lives. And Giselle for her wisdom to open to other point of views, and live her best life in spite of her daily challenges and to those parents who loved their children just as they are and took care of them the best way they can.
@@christinebeames712 The amount of information available is "too much" now. Or rather, people's capacity to understand the information and interpret it is stunted. No matter how many sources are available, when you're presented conflicting information and haven't learned proper reading comprehension pr to tell legit and fake sources apart.
The lady speaking at the end in the purple dress..what an angel that she is so understanding of others who might have a better or continued life in reference to this drug. She is so gentle and intelligent, we should all be in awe of her. God bless her.
I knew a guy who had only two fingers on his left hand, and I think a shortened left arm. I always suspected it might be thalidomide-his mother was Danish, and he was born in the early 60s-but of course I'll never know for sure.
Scuba Diva I'm danish and I remember my history teacher, who was born in the 60's also, saying that a lot of children in his generation where missformed because of thalidomide. I don't have any numbers but I suspect my country did take a lot of this drug.
Anything *marketed* as "safe for pregnant women" has always been strange to me. Yesterday an ad showing washing vegetables with soap was okay, that you can even wash babies with it. I just know there's something up with those scummy marketing.
@golden flower child i know right? People are so quick to let go of personal responsibility if things around them promise they don't need to worry about it for long enough. but given the amount of science denying freaks in this comment section alone maybe the world isn't ready for people to be accountable yet lmfao Also, why tf would you wash vegetables with soap??
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Why isn't something like this taught in history books? So that we don't repeat such a mistake.... (edit: thanks for replying and letting me know that it's taught in school, but in my school they never taught us abt this and other severe cases, so its good to know that it's taught in other schools, hopefully such cases will never be repeated in the future)
My chemistry teacher actually brought it up and showed us a short video on the topic when we were learning enantiomers (don't know if that's the english word) in class. It's both an interesting and horrifying tragedy nonetheless
In Germany, it got mentioned by our history teacher once. But I don't think that it is written down in history books. You may find it in documentaries about that time though.
Giselle is insanely wise and mature; after everything she's seen and experienced I wouldn't be able to see the drug as anything but dangerous but she acknowledges it might have some use to ease other's suffering. That's incredibly selfless of her.
They claim that with the covid vaccines. But several women have lost their babies after receiving it. Most in the first trimester. But at least 1 was in the 3rd
My dad is a Thalidomide baby. My grandma took the drug when pregnant and my dad has club feet. Took many operations to kind of fix it. Still in a lot of pain daily. He is my role model in the way he sees life and you never hear him complain about anything
Club feet are not always related to Thalidomide. My father also has club feet and my granny never took Thalidomide, my dad was born before Thalidomide was distributed, even in Germany. No one in the family had ever been to Germany. He had extensive surgery at age 22, including a severed Achilles tendon resulting in a fused ankle. Now retired, the arthritis in his feet is terrible.
My cousin is a thalidomide. He's been on TV a couple times, but it's amazing how well he just gets on with life, does everything any "normal" person would, just without arms & legs, and his mother was amazing. Died 2 years ago, but would have been 100 yesterday! ❤
I’m Brazilian and would like to explain that we still have babies with birth defects due to Thalidomide because of the lack of education of the majority of our population. It is sold in the black market as an abortion medication, because it has a drawing of a pregnant woman with a red line across it. People who are poor here don’t know the history of this drug and associate the drawing with abortion. This only happens due to the illegality of this procedure in my country. I think that the restricted use of Thalidomide in cases of tumors or other serious diseases is totally ok, as long as it’s supervised by a doctor.
Apparently there is another form of tge drug. The R form of the molecule causes birth defects and the S form is safer and does not cause defects but is much more difficult and probably expensive to produce. (There is a chemist comment further up the comments and I may be misquoting.) So why are they still making the R form at all? If there is a need for abortion medications why not black market actual abortion medications? Why can't these horrible people selling it this way just buy some stickers or labels and put that on safe abortion drugs - which are probably cheaper? Women everywhere deserve correct info to make informed decisions on their health. Or maybe T makers need to have a picture of the birth defects on the bottles instead.
I'm from Brazil too, and friend of mine was pregnant when she was 18 and her parents and her boyfriend's parents tried to make her take this to end the pregnancy.
Thank you so much for explaining this. I had no idea, but the way you explain it makes sense. Not that it is the right thing to do, because labels that mean one thing can so easily be misunderstood. How sad that there is not more education and health care available. All I can say is that it's not fair. I wish I could change it, but don't know how.
I was born in July 1960. My mother had just immigrated from England. I was her first pregnancy and she suffered from debilitating morning sickness. Her dr. offered her a prescription for thalidomide. She refused it because her mother had told her not take anything when you are pregnant. It was that close except for my grandmother and her wisdom.
Grandmother's are so very good. There's a few bad ones sprinkles out there, but all the existing ones now just seem so pure. I'm very glad that she said something to you mother!
I was born in 1960 and my mother never had morning sickness so it wasn’t an issue. When I lived in London as a child I got ill and had to visit Westminster hospital quite frequently. Whenever I had an appointment it seemed to coincide with seeing a group of some thalidomide victims going to the same hospital. I was very disturbed as a child by the sight of their stunted limbs but at least it made me aware of their plight from a very early age.
During my final year at uni, my professor, who’s currently part of ongoing research on how thalidomide can simultaneously act as a sedative yet also cause these horrific birth defects, was trying to engage us students in a discussion to brainstorm for ideas, because the scariest thing is even though so much research has been done, we still don’t know how thalidomide actually works, let alone how to develop anything to help. It’s so evil that those who developed this drug didn’t even know how it worked, yet still decided to release it for use on pregnant women on a whim
I am a first year medical student and Thalidomide was brought up in Organic Chemistry. We had such an interesting discussion on the pharmaceutical industry, and how this sort of traumatic incident can now be prevented as it’s nowadays forbidden to sell enantiomers blends without cautious studies run upon the properties of both molecules. But still, scientific considerations aside, this truly is a story of greed.
I'm in my penultimate year, and my professor also focuses on thalidomide (always jokes that it keeps him up at night). I believe that recently, he made the breakthrough that it affects angiogenesis. Unfortunately, not much is known about the molecular pathway yet, but cerebron was found to be a molecular target to which thalidomide binds and inhibits signalling factors contributing to limb development. All vessels that do not have smooth muscle at the time of administration are affected.
My grandmother took this during her first two pregnancy. She had two babies that had dwarfism. Her 3rd child was not exsposed to this and was normal. She knows this is what deformed her children.
Ivan Bychkov But they don't test on pregnant women ever so that's out of the question. In general they do that on animals. Mice especially. Still not foolproof though
The Doctor who discovered and fought against this terrifying drug has literally saved the whole world, not just Americans, she must be awarded and taken care of really well, i can't thank you enough ma'am.
@@throbbinwoodofcoxley6830 it's actually not. It was widely used in many countries, only exception I can count is Turkey, their health minister at the time didn't approve of thalidomide. I can't think of another case like this.
I had a great friend who was affected while in utero from thalidomide who I met when he was about 30. It's been 25 years since then and I tell pregnant women everywhere, be fricking careful with medication. Thank you for talking about this, even if posted 10 years ago 🙏🏼
My grandmother was prescribed thalidomide when she was pregnant with my uncle and staying in West Germany with my grandfather who worked on a boat. Luckily she asked another doctor for a second opinion and she told her to not take it (which means the drug was legal but some medical professionals already knew about the side effects).
Omg at least that Dr had conscience to tell your grandmother not to take it. Only if there were more Dr's being truthful about thalidomide and it's horrible side effects on babies to their patients!
Hate to be that guy, but thankfully the drug doesn't affect his Gene, since you're born pretty cute. It would be absolute disaster if it changed the genetic and could affect future generations.
@@jenniferpoland8886 I think they mean like, they're glad it was just the arm because had the deformity been worse then maybe the dad wouldn't have been able to reproduce.
50 years from now people will be watching similar documentaries about the cruelty of price gouging insulin, epipen, and other life saving drugs and treatments.
You can thank Biden for continuing to help the companies hijack the price. He froze an executive order Trump had made that lowered prices. www.snopes.com/fact-check/biden-insulin-epipen/
LOL, other first world countries have been looking down on the USA for decades because of those practices already, never mind 50 years from now. If only the other half of your country would wake up you could actually do something about it and fix your countries decline.
realistically this isn’t the drugs fault. This is the fault of the company had no regard for human life. Everything in this world has a good side and a bad side, we just have to make sure into falls into the right hands
I was one of those babies born in Cincinnati, Ohio, 1962. My arms and legs are very short, disproportionate to my middle part. No compensation was offered, but I am blessed to still drive a car and live something normal. ❤😂
I have a question I have people in my village still having thalidomide kids..I don’t know if they have taken the drug? But ..like is that the only reason for the disability??
I read an article about it, the origins of the drug are actually very dark, it was first developed by nazis and tested on prisoners in concetration camps. Both the main guys from Grunenthal were former nazis.
@Tunguska I get that people don’t like to have vaccine now that I watched this. But consider to have a research regarding it. People who use this drug in 1950’s didn’t test it out and willingly give it to people, whilst the vaccines were completely safe. Many people took it, I had an acquaintance who caught Covid but he was fully vaccinated so he only has mild symptoms. No one died having themselves vaccinated
@Tunguska I got the Pfizer vaccination, and so far I haven't had any issues with it. I was of course skeptic like you as well, so I gave them lot more time to study up their vaccination. Only issue was sore hand, but that also went away within a day.
However we still have things like Zofran which causes congenital heart defects, clef lip and so on but are still given out to pregnant women nowadays. I was prescribed it during my pregnancies each time but never took it since I had already read about it. ALWAYS read about the medicines your doctors prescribe you because 90% of the time they’re making bonuses and Fiji trips thanks to those prescriptions.
It’s sickening to think how many children were killed or abandoned for being deformed. Those parents didn’t deserve children if they weren’t willing to consider the risk of disorders/birth defects that are possible in any pregnancy. Absolutely heartbreaking the way they’d treat an innocent newborn like that. Being born into the world and killed by the ones who were supposed to love you, all just for looking different. And the ones who were abandoned, they must’ve been so confused.
I worked for many years in the pharmaceutical industry. I had her photo on the wall of my office as a reminder of our ultimate responsibility to patients.
Unfortunately, taking ANY medication during pregnancy is inherently risky. Every single cell of an entire human being is being formed - there's just so much that can go wrong.
@Jasmine Victoria I'll say vitamins are not considered medication, however if you have a healthy diet and your doctor doesn't see any deficiency is not required for you to take them.
An amazing report. I remember when I was 12 seeing a cashier with it in her arms, I never once judged her, nor did I know what she had, I even invited her out to a waterpark, she was 8 years my senior and she was wept with joy that I never judged. My grandmother took the pill twice before the statements came out, and her first born was still healthy thank heavens.
Mad respect to the survivors who understand that it CAN be used for good, knowing that it’s extremely dangerous for fetuses. It’s unfortunate that more children have been born with the condition that the drug causes. Science is fantastic, but only when the products of science are regulated and used properly.
No this is not good or okay. They are still doing this today with faulty testing & promotions of safety with these vaccines. In the coming years people will see. They will have wished they protected their children & their bloodline. They will have wish they questioned more or that they'd have more discernment.
Saying that you're okay with the existence of a drug that deformed you for life just so some person with a disease like cancer can have a chance at cure and relief is amazing to me. I wish I was that brave.
It has nothing to do with bravery, and everything to do with empathy and science. There are millions of people that goes through procedures and treatments that damages them for life, yet, it can be useful for others. This is not unique to thalidomide.
@@sigmamale4147 What confuses you? The difference between bravery and empathy? Or the fact that thalidomide is not unique in having severe side effects for some groups, yet being useful for others?
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My grandmother took Thalidomide during her pregnancy, she got my dad but he was born with a deformed thumb and also deaf. He met my deaf mother though, who is also deaf because of Thalidomide.
Today they’re in a group for people that got affected by Thalidomide and it’s like a big family!
aww ! im sorry for what happened to your parents but its cute ! i wish for you happiness
Awww that’s sweet that they could find people who understand and relate to them and become one big family
i'm not trying to be mean i'm just kinda curious.How do u live with deaf parents?Like do u do sign language?
That's actually so cute the heck
💜💜💜Fighting 💜💜💜
“They don’t have a right to be shocked. The shock doesn’t belong to them.”
Perfectly said
Eh
@Jeremiah Carlson Can you imagine pregnant mothers who took the "covid vaccine" their children comes out like this?
@@Angry.General1461 it’s entirely possible that it could have no effect. in fact, it’s probably more possible that the vaccine has no effect on the infant.
science has progressed a lot more since thalidomide was released. we know more about drugs and chemicals and what they do to pregnant women.
i’m not saying it will 100% not harm children but i hope it helps you sleep at night to know that there’s a big chance the children of vaccinated mothers will probably be alright.
@@pu55yeatermulletl0ver5 The development of chemicals, their testing, restrictions, etc and the progress that has been made in those fields are a completely different discussion than that of vaccines. Especially the Covid "vaccine" which is not even a vaccine by the traditional definition or pharmacology. A person of your intelligence would do well to research these topics before forming any set opinions as you would likely be able to understand the implications from a more objective point of view. An aptitude that sadly, eludes most.
@@nicholasbstone you still haven’t disproved that the vaccine won’t harm pregnant mothers or their children, therefore my statement that the vaccine could be fine for pregnant women and children is still correct.
The thought that the vaccine could be fine for those who have gotten it eases peoples minds and makes them more comfortable in the world. There is no harm in that.
My mother was given a prescription for this drug when pregnant with me...she told me that she didn't have the funds to get it filled. I am thankful for that. Thank you Giselle for sharing your story with us.
Praise God, so scary
Thank god she refused it.
there it is. there it is. the one time the american healthcare system worked well
Wow, talk about by the grace of god, you are luuucky!!
It probably was expensive then woulda cost her an arm and a leg
I had a best friend growing up who was also affected by this drug. Her name is Iris. She was in an electric wheelchair and had tiny arms and legs which I found boundlessly interresting and also very funny. She always wanted me to drag her out of the chair and into the sandbox. So I did. And when she was done playing, I would sit in front of her chair so she could climb on my back and I could get her back in her chair. She wasn't really allowed out of her chair but her mother knew due to all the sand in her pants...I missed her when she moved away. She was so funny and was like a ray of sunshine. I never saw her cry or be upset or even down. I loved her and she was my friend. Iris, if you're out there, your friend misses you!! Hope you are living your best life!!
what a lovely depiction of the innocence and purity of childhood!
Lying
Wouldn't it be great if Iris saw this!😊
What a beautiful tribute yo your friend! Thank you for sharing! 💗💗💗
I just love your story!
My good friend Louise is a Thalidomide baby. She was born with no arms, 1 full leg and the other leg ended at the knee with a foot. She taught me how to ride and care for horses, she drives, trains service dogs and lives a full happy life. She has always been an inspiration to me
Alyson Bouchard wow she’s a strong woman I hope for the best for her
Alyson Bouchard one of my friends in 1st grade wasn’t as bad as your friend but she was born without a right hand. She wasn’t having any trouble with it and she even made fun of it with everybody else and she was so strong through all of her surgeries to help her live a normal life.
She sounds amazing
She sounds amazing+
Thats great
That doctor undoubtedly helped stop millions of new cases of deformities. It must have been incredibly hard to stand up to such a massive company. I’m horrified that I’ve never heard of her before.
they should make a movie abt her
If you haven’t heard of it before, you should check out the story of the radium girls. Similar to this but earlier and so so interesting and tragic.
Why did people take this to begin with
omalone11 it was Rxd for morning sickness l
she sounds like she was a badass; definitely someone I'd like to be like myself
I was born 1961. My mother, a Registered Nurse, was bleeding and close to miscarrying me. Her doctor gave her a choice....bed rest or "a new drug called Thalidomide". Thank God she chose bed rest.
Oh thank god.
no thank your mother
That was such a coin flip you dodged there
@caramellove Shut up
@caramellove why are they triggered atheists?
The woman speaking as a thalidomide survivor is so eloquent and graceful when speaking on the topic despite suffering from it first hand. How inspiring
@NightTimeLounge dude ...
@@johnnyjoestar7143 NightimeLounge was just following in the vein of inappropriate condescension as OP
@@nighttimelounge2181dude not now
@@kaderen8461 what did he say
@@wafflemation6887 i have no clue i forgot
My maternal grandfather was a professor in gynecology in Sweden.
When this came out and his colleagues started prescribe this he hesitated because he thought it was shady. He never did prescribe it to any patient despite pressure from both patients and colleagues.
He viewed it as the best decision of his life.
Bless your grandfather for better judgment 🧡💯
Your grandfather was a good soul for not giving prescriptions for this drug. Ethics are supposed to be used to determine if it is right or wrong to give pharmaceutical drugs that might cause health problems for patients.
Good man. Bless him
The greatest heroism is the moral courage to go against the group when you think what their doing is wrong.
this story just came out of nowhere
We owe a huge debt of gratitude to Dr. Frances Kelsey. Another woman who has not been given her due for her contributions to science and medicine!
Yes. If you're interested, Rosalind Franklin actually discovered the double helix of DNA. Watson and Crick claimed it and the rest is unfortunately history. :-(
Absolutely right. Such an injustice......
@@shombie2737 Revisionist History. 👎🏼
There was a video of her accepting a literal medal from Kennedy...
Like 99.99% of the female and male scientific community. It is not spwcial because she is female.
"They don't have the right to be shocked. The shock doesnt belong to them." This was deep in many levels.
Ikr :(
Wow. It's so horrible what happened to these people.
@@themandarin9493 funny how people blindly take a va33ine that isnt fda approved. all for money
@@mello_the_cat bro it literally effects diabetics and obese at the highest rate possible. The general public doesn't need to take a non approved drug that has no liability if anything goes wrong. the effects are unknown when the glorified flu isn't even deadly if you're healthy. Sheep
@@mello_the_cat idk man. I hope there is no long term effects. Remember the vaccine didn't have a long term trial as previous vaccines. We really don't know if people will start having symptoms two or three years down. I really hope it doesn't.
My dad was born in Mexico in 1963. Today i took my dad in for an appointment. He has a deformity on his left hand. The doctor suggested that i look up thalidomide. This broke my heart. I dont lnow if this is the cause of his deformity. But i love my dad. He's a very smart man. I am six months sober today. And im helping him out with his alcoholism. God bless everyone.
Congratulations on your six month anniversary! You are stronger than you know! May God bless you and your father as well.
Keep on keeping on brother. Everyone's right behind you.
Sending you hugs! Congratulations, god bless you and your father.
I dated a girl in high school whose mother had taken thalidomide, and had birth defects to her hands. She overcame her disabilities by learning to play one of the most difficult instruments in the orchestra, and never let her differences affect her. I admire her for that, and leading a normal life, and despite some teasing from other kids she kept her head up and is still a wonderful gal.
Are you the girl your talking about?
Dude who asked like cool bro u kno a girl
@@melik3063 shouldn't you be in TH-cam Kids?
@@gabrielam.7681 U sound 10 years old too the comment he made is just unnecessary and cringey i just didnt enjoy reading it at all who asked keep it to urself
@@melik3063 How does she sound like a 10 year old? Shouldn't you be the one to keep it to yourself since your comment is unrelated to the topic at all.
This reminds me of the radium girls. It was so obvious they were having issues but the company swore that radium was ok still. It took forever to get radium under lock and key.
@@gratefulmomma4207 hmm you should move
@@maxlosergor if I had the money I would..... trust me
@@maxlosergor really nice comment.
I have do much and many friends and family that believe Doctors 101 0/0
@@gratefulmomma4207 woah that’s cool! (in a Super scary kind of way) I find everything about the radium girls fascinating.
They say the bones of the radium girls are still radioactive to this day and will be for years to come!
Whenever I learn about these horrible parts of history it's always striking that this wasn't THAT long ago.
I mean it's been only one year when pharma companies had millions of people take esentially untested vaccines and we're yet to learn what side effects they might have - some are comming to light now.
It's happening right now
@@YamiKisara they aren’t untested and they’ve been in development since the SARS outbreak in 2002. It’s not wise to speak on things you know nothing about.
@@chrisholden7918 But its fun to spread fear and panic, ah humans.
its striking that its happening now in literally everything tho..
My oldest daughter was treated with this drug to slow the growth of a brain stem tumor....I belive it gave us 10 months that we wouldn't have had, had she not taken it. She passed away 11 months after diagnosis, but remained alert, social and carried out her last months as best a teenager with cancer could.
That's amazing, glad you had more time with her ❤️. But as well, I'm sorry for your loss...
Yes, many drugs are fine to use as long as you aren’t pregnant. Really any drug is a risk when you’re pregnant.
@@d.n.8919and alcohol is a Drug, a really bad one...
I’m so sorry for your loss ❤🕊️
@@Relayzy1 You say it like we don't know it
My mom was prescribed this when she was pregnant with me, but she figured if it worked that good it couldn’t be safe. She refused to take it , thank God.
Wow
@@N0URii exactly...wow!
That almost sounds like irony... Sad that if a medicine works really well it could be too good to be true, because it could create an even bigger problem.
@@mccrea_nyc_1999 But it makes perfect sence in everyday life thought! You always know that if there's an ad that promises you to become rich/gorgeous/feeling like ur 20 years younger it's a scam.
If somehing is brilliantly good noone will just sell it to people affordably, they will keep it for the rich.
People back then were naive. But ur mom is really clever..good for u.😊
I went to school with a boy that had no arms and practically no shoulders due to this medication. Amazingly, he was able to do almost everything with his feet, even write.
Woah.
Thats talent
@@adraxas13 No, that's environmental adaptation.
My great aunt was a thalidomide baby. She had severe disabilities but was so sweet she was one of the most loved members of our family. I often think of her and hope she understood how adored she was ❤
That is Badass...
The anger shouldn't be directed at the drug itself, the drug is just an unthinking object. The anger needs to be at the then lack at testing and reluctance to admit fault
Yes, imagine giving untested drugs to pregnant women in 2021. Right?
Just pharmaceutical companies.. there’s a reason why they don’t tell u about the benefits of natural substances instead of chemicals
@@NietzscheanMan I caught what you dropped down. 👍🏽
'Lack of testing and reluctance to admit fault', my how some sayings reverberate through time! Sure sounds hauntingly familiar, now doesn't it? d>_0b -when will we learn from our mistakes?, it shouldn't be a matter of time when its a matter of life...dx_xb
THEY DIDN’T TEST IT?! Sorry I only half know the story..did they actually test thalidomide? A new drug they were giving to pregnant women?
The victims had to wait 50 years, just to get a “we’re sowwy, we weally are 👉👈” All they ever saw was the profit. If they ever saw the victims face to face, they probably wouldn’t be able to look them in the eye. So frustrating that even today, these big companies can continue to get away with this crap, while facing little to no repercussions for their actions.
Dr. Frances Kelsey 2:42 is a name every American grade school student should know. Grünenthal was breathing down Kelly's neck to hurry up and clear Thalidomide for sale in the U.S., but she proved incorruptible. Her zealous commitment to her hippocratic oath is the exact brand of heroism that truly saves the day.
Too bad there aren't more like her.
Frances Kelsey.
Susan Wagner-White Oh The Irony of my first sentence. Thanks.
quick correction, zealous not jealous
AlienInDisguise101 No jealous is the right word.
when my mom was pregnant, the doctor wanted to prescribe this to her.
she heard some rumors about the deformities, and she said: No way!
I saw many kids of my age with "missing" limbs.
i like that cat in your profile picture
many kids with missing limbs, where did you live Chernobyl?
When my mom was pregnant in 1960 and was having bad morning sickness she asked our doctor for thalidomide and he said absolutely not. Thank God
I was also offered Thalidomide for morning sickness. I said no.
When my Mom was expecting me her doctor gave her Thalidomide. She took a few pills, then heard the stories and threw them away. She was distraught during the whole pregnancy. Fortunately it hadn't affected me. When I became aware of that fact I fell to my knees in gratitude that I am whole.
One of the countries that doesnt have any Thalidomide case is Turkey. All thanks to Professor Doctor Süreyya Tahsin who studied on medicine concluding that the drug has a side effect on the embryo. He immediately warned the health minister of the time and made sure no one used the medicine. A remarkable scientist.
edit: hi everyone a lot of people corrected me on how many other countries didnt have any cases so i fixed the sentence. hope i didn't offend anyone.
That's remarkable!
Bless him and his family forever.
He's a truly impressive doctor and a credit to the medical field. I only wish more could be like him and Dr. Kelsey.
he’s a better man than me🙏
Great man.
My grandmother was prescribed thalidomide for two of her eight pregnancies. She had a gut feeling and decided against taking it both times. She and my grandfather were dairy farmers living paycheque to paycheque at the time and as blunt as it sounds they needed kids as farmhands. It’s a little spooky to wonder how they would have dealt with my uncles being born severely disabled.
All I can think is what an awful reason to have kids.
My great aunt took thalidomide, her baby ended up being stillborn, these poor people who were affected by this drug deserve the utmost respect and love.
I'm sorry for your aunt :(
So very sad!
It's strange how those short hand defect is almost similar to the agent 🍊 victims of the Vietnam war?
I can't remember but I think a stillborn baby is when a fetus calcifies and become a rock
@@Breatheairmyguy That’s a lithopedion which is a calcification of the fetus (aka it turns to stone). A stillborn baby is just a baby that was born dead as it had died in the womb (but still looking how it should be rather than stone).
The fact I carry multiple degrees and hadn't heard her name until well into adulthood is terrifying. Dr Kelsey is a literal legend and hero!
Exactly. Many of our current medical experts seem to be seriously brainwashed, an essential allowing the right to practice.
Next month I will have my third. (Healthcare) and this was never a topic that was touched on in all the education I got and I wonder why.
the more left leaning the College the more irrelevant the degree, as the saying goes
@@samjohnstone1356 @EepOpOrk OMFG Y'all can't help popping off your jealousy at educated/intelligent people. We get it. You're inferior. It bothers you so much that someone mentioned college degrees that you had to assume politics were involved somehow - probably a habit of shoving politics into every conversation by now - that you made the first insult you could think of into an adage.
@@AlexiasShado lol if those kids could read they would be very offended at ur comment
I can't imagine having your kid being born deformed and then the company responsible saying it's from a botched home abortion.
It’s unreal.
But plandemic vax is worse
@@shewolfee4247 plandemic vax will clean the earth. Hail the dark cure. Amen th-cam.com/video/A1D5B_qFv1I/w-d-xo.html
@@shewolfee4247 delusional
@@shewolfee4247 you are very delusional.
My grandma (a registered nurse) was prescribed thalidomide for morning sickness, but refused to take it because it was too new to see what the side effects would be. Best choice she ever made!
My mum had terrible morning sickness when she was pregnant with me. She asked her doctor at the time if she could have thalidomide and he refused to give it her. 8m so glad he did b3cause I might have ended up just like those poor ch8ldren.
I was prescribed Thalidomide when I was pregnant with my first child and I was never told about it's side effects. My bebe has suffered with one leg shorter than the other all her life. I can't prove that it was the drug but I'm convinced it caused this deformity.
I would be going to see a solicitor if I were you they can see your records and what medication you were on at the time
Can u pay for a limb lenghtning surgery?
I knew someone in girlscouts with the same condition! Tell your bebe that she's not alone and it doesn't make her weird no matter what people say!🥰🥰
Limb lengthening is very limited and is very iffy since the usual is breaking the bone in segments and forcing space so it then would be healed in between. And that what causes the limitation you need to consider how far you can stretch the muscle and the skin yet still keep a functioning shape so thoes operations on average only give very few inches
U should have told ur spouse that these doctors did not make u aware about the side affects honestly y were they giving pregnant women these things without consulting their families
Dr. Kelsey literally saved America's children... Absolutely amazing, True Hero.
It's a good story, but it's not true. The NYT didn't do it's homework. Look at other sites for the real history of the drug which shows that, in reality, the FDA just got very very lucky due to paperwork and bureaucratic delays
@@froggacuda1605 the delays included Dr. Kelsey refusing approval.
@@Hjernespreng However, if the FDA didnt support her, she would have probably buckled under the mysogininy of the age.
yeah, when america's safe the whole world is...
heil americas lazy and slow paperwork xD
I am one of the lucky ones, my mother took thalidomide whilst carrying me, I have totally messed up / missing toes on both feet. That's it. Never affected my ability to walk, get a degree, have a family or do anything else, always totally hidden, people know me for years without ever knowing I was touched by this tragedy. In comparison to many I really was not affected at all, I know life would be have been very different had it been fingers messed up rather that toes.
You were blessed
She probably took it when you were mostly developed? Could you ask her when she started to take it during the pregnancy? I am curious about this.
QuadQ That you consider yourself lucky: respect!!
Rockie If deformed by medicine is “blessed” in your view . . .
All the kids were blessed.
9:10 "We are nervous, we are ... of course frightened -- dismayed. But we realize that this is not a perfect world". What a profound, brave and concise statement
This is a decades long chapter in the power of corporate greed that will never and should never be forgotten.
Still occurs today sadly
Corporate greed is the basis of todays economy. Theres no cure when the whole system is cancerous
@@edwardhisse2687 The cure is to get rid of the system, easier said than done of course.
@@XuyenaFire The cure is to get of the system, but the system is preserved by the rich and powerful who benefit from it.
People are indoctrinated into believing that this system is required for freedom, but then they ignore the reality that is right in front of their eyes. This is what capitalism has become, and what it will always be going forward. It can only get worse. Corporations are too powerful. The rich can change the world--and the way our daily lives work--on a whim. How is this freedom? It's not. We need to evolve beyond this era. It isn't meant to last forever.
@@edwardhisse2687 I'm not sure if you intended to use "cancerous" somewhat literally, but you're actually not even exaggerating.
The corporate system is based on infinite growth (profit), despite limited resources... which, in the context of cell biology, is precisely what causes cancer to be lethal. Not even joking. Cancer is endless cell growth despite limited nutrients in the body.
A normal cell has a life cycle that ends in apoptosis, where it dies, so that new cells can thrive. However, cancer cells simply refuse to die. They just continously grow and grow, until they eventually starve healthy cells of nutrients, resulting in the death of the organism as a whole.
Theres a distinct sort of horror seeing those babies born without arms or legs. The irresponsibility of this company was just atrocious.
Money is the boss
Don't forget the first victims came from the company itself. They really did think they had developed the next ibuprofen. Spending 50 years being told by lawyers to deny everything to not get stripped of everything they own... I don't think anyone walked out of this mess unscarred.
It is horror_i would die if my child had that
The pharmaceutical industry in general is completely atrocious.
Money is flesh
Giselle’s attitude toward the situation is the absolute pinnacle of maturity and kindness. The fact that she was so negatively affected by the drug, but understood that it had potential to help reduce the suffering of others when used properly is absolutely awe inspiring. Her level of compassion is so refreshing and heartwarming, I hope she’s thriving.
Yes, I thought the same. She gives me hope in humanity.
Shes such a sweetheart 💕
She is the type of person we should have in charge of FDA type decisions. Not someone who helped create the drugs.
I had a neighbor that had little arms.. But she could cook.. And she took care of baby.. Awesome
❤
This drug is why I'm skeptical of any drugs that don't have a solid 25+ years of evidence behind their efficacy and safety.
Same. Even as of the last ten years many were not tested or barely tested on women. And many are approved without knowing the long term effects
Same
Exactly. All the Covid vaccines were an absolute NO WAY for me.
We have diseases we didn’t know about 25 years ago. I research every medication I’m prescribed and even read anecdotal evidence about it. I’m not going to limit my length or quality of life just because a drug wasn’t developed 25 years ago. This medication paved the way for more research and safer outcomes.
Me too. It's why I didn't get the Covid Jab.
My grandmother was offered Thalidomide for morning sickness when pregnant with my mother. Thank goodness she said no
Cmgamer I know, it's a scary thought. I probably wouldn't exist!
Millie when in 1974 I became pregnant as a teen, my morning sickness lasted all day and night. My OB said it was the worse case he had ever seen. I was admitted to the hospital countless times for dehydration and would only allow IV fluids, saline solution, refusing to take anything else after seeing pictures of all the poor babes born in the early sixties to moms just treating their morning sickness. I was offered so many different things even Valium to stop my constant barfing. The pressure put on me by ER doctors, many OBs was extreme. They told me I was putting my baby at risk as I lost more weight instead of gaining but a picture would enter my mind of a baby born without arms and legs so I held firm. After gaining only 16 pounds, I delivered a healthy 7 lb 6 1/2 oz baby boy. With my subsequent pregnancies I stuck to my own rule, NO MEDICATIONS DURING MY PREGNANCY. Thalidomide taught me my baby's health came before me. This was a time that I knew women who still drank and smoked during their pregnancies. SMH.
Deemaree Dubois was Valium like thalidomide? if you took thalidomide imagine how your baby would look. I think that would be nightmare fuel of missing limbs syndrome
LukeTrinton Valium is a Benzosiazepine still used in emergency medicine and psychiatry.It' s very beneficial in some cases but it's addictive, so taking it once for example for a panic attack or after a serious trauma mostly won't affect the baby, but taking it frequently would get mother and child addicted, so the baby would suffer withdrawal after birth. Benzosiazepines calm you down, so withdrawals can include high blood pressure, anxiety, a increased heart rate , nausea, diarrhea , seizures etc. etc.
Millie yeah it’s scary how life can work like that
How come I've NEVER heard of this until today. This needs more attention.
@Gi Gi I live in India and I'm also just 20 so I can understand it's kind of hard to come across this. But even then, I like reading a lot about history and stuff and I've never come across this by chance, so that's why I'm a little surprised.
This is a really famous story.
Wow mee too
If you're old enough, you know about the Thalidomide babies. It was a big story that got lots of attention -- 60 years ago. I was born in 1960, the year the drug came to the U.S. However, I did not grow up with a child whose mother took the drug for her morning sickness.
@Gi Gi it's also a pretty famous case in Brazil, we learn that in chemistry class
Wish Hollywood would make a movie about Dr. Frances Kelsey; she saved so many.
Mem Ry Yes!
There's actually a stage production that debuted in 2017 about her! It's [Miss] by W.L. Newkirk
Why dont you suggest it- strongly😀
It'd be awesome!!! Like that Will Smith movie Concussion, love those movies and documentaires (there's a Netflix one on medical devices and it's really eye-opening)
Some stories wont make money. While she made life changing discoveries, no one is going to go see a movie filled with disabled deformed children. Its disturbing. I know I would'nt see it. It's just depressing, just the first 7 minutes of this video was more than enough for me
My dad had this during cancer treatment and I remember the body had pictures of these baby’s. And my parents told us all about how dangerous the med is. They had to provide information about how they would not have any children
My Mum was offered this drug when she was pregnant with my sister, luckily she refused. My Mum still has nightmares when she thinks of it.
Thank God she refused it !!!
@@poop-ny1je oh god yes…!!! When she talks about it you can tell it still affects her.
J, how long ago was it offered? I’m curious.
@@annaleighatiyeh4070 my sister was born in 1962, my Mum was offered it in late 1961. It all came out a few weeks after she was offered it.
Nazi conspiracy?
I went to the high school named after Frances Kelsey. So happy a lady from a small town In Canada did something so huge. When she passed away our school had a huge memorial and it was so interesting to learn about her successes .
What a hero
Kelsey Tupper Thank you so much for sharing this information! I'm so very glad to learn that she has been memorialized by your former high school. It's great to see that such a wonderful lady is being remembered, especially in this day and age when celebrities who have never benefited anyone else often gain the greatest amount of attention. I had assumed that she was an American since she worked for the US government. 🇨🇦👩🏻⚕️☤
Kelsey Tupper I love Canada 🇨🇦 my country 🇺🇸 could learn so much from yours
so inspirational! u should be so proud to be a part of legacy, n dont get it twisted, ur obligated to honor her legacy! im just proud havin to replied to you! i hope u no waste your legacy just sitting back and doin nothin in the face of whats happening! be brave n proud n represent us that aint as lucky as you!!!!
She was Canadian? I didn't know that. That may explain why she doesn't get more attention in the US. Often you see people who do big things for a country that they weren't born in don't get the recognition they deserve.
My grandmother's took this drug to help with morning sicknesses and ihave an uncle who is a thalidomide hes almost 60 and has short arms up to his elbows. He is amazing and lives his life like anyone else. And thankfully within the last 10 years those poor souls were compensated from the German manufacturers and my uncle recieves a yearly payment of 65,000 nzd for next 20 years and also got a lump sum payment. They so deserved that compensation x
Good to know that (hopefully all of) those injured were compensated. I can't imagine the self-directed guilt those poor mothers lived with the rest of their lives, too. Back at a time when sleeping pills were deemed a necessity. They thought they were helping their families by getting better sleep at night. :,(
@@catbird7007 it must have been terrible for those mums, the company blaming it on them too. When I was pregnant I was terrified of taking in anything that would injure my babies health. No honey and no meds whatsoever. So then I breast fed because it stopped the babies getting allergies and prevented me from getting breast cancer!! So she has allergies and I did get breast cancer. But we have both survived and I am trying to take life as it comes now. There is so little we can control but thanks to a few brave people I didn't have to worry about taking thalidomide for morning sickness.
@@amelianna6004 no honey ???? why not ?
@@Rubiecat i knew that babies shouldnt have honey till 1 but i didn't remember why so I googled it for you:Honey can contain bacteria which can germinate in a baby's gut and cause infant botulism, a rare illness that can cause paralysis and is potentially fatal. Babies' intestines aren't mature enough to destroy the bacteria, so you'll need to keep honey away from your baby until they turn 1.
@@Rubiecat Is honey safe to eat during pregnancy? Honey is perfectly safe to eat during pregnancy. While it is known for sometimes containing bacterial spores, this is very rare. And your stomach and immune system are likely to be able to manage these bacteria, without any harm coming to you or your baby. I also recommend that everyone should research these topics themselves to develop your own opinion.
we were taught about this tragedy during chemistry class in high school. we were studying stereochemistry, optical isomerism specifically.
Dextro helped with morning sickness and laevo caused horrible birth defects?
@@wetraccoonbetterthantrump something like that, yeah. lol
@@wetraccoonbetterthantrump yes, but they constantly convert back-and-forth in the body
My father was one who was affected by thalidomide. He had to had surgery to fix his foot so that he could walk.
This is the first video I've actually heard about thalidomide. I knew it was something in the 60s but I had no idea it was on this scale...
Oh slam
My love sent to your father. My Soul cries for his pain.
@@justicenow1234 thank you for worrying. He is just fine. :) His was one of the less extreme cases so the surgery really helped him. ^^ figured you'd like to know. He's okay.
@Vincent Kurushimi you're welcome...and tell your father, to know he had a successful operation makes my Soul feel a little better. It's very sad, how the Government and Drug Agencies use people for lab rats, to their own failures, created by them.
It breaks my heart
It’s quite a scandal. Like the Tuskegee experiment was hidden. Glad your Dad’s ok
The victim who speaks throughout the video is very wise with her words and her views on the drug. I have a lot of respect for her.
@@michellehousems.lavatwinfi2011 tf?
@@theliteralsun5246 its a bot
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True that.
That female who is a deformation victim. Is an absolute miracle and I hope she is recognized for her voice someday. She is so human. "in good conscious I cannot be opposed." She even wants nothing but a note in history. But she wants those who can be helped. to be helped. She is quite a woman.
+Chris Thwaites I couldn't agree more.
It's actually "good conscience" instead of "good conscious" :) And yes I do agree with you. She is indeed a remarkable person.
Of COURSE she is "so human." She IS human.
She is human. Just because she has short arms, doesn't mean she isn't human. Your comment does not make sense.
Starry Bear he's saying that she represents everything good about the human race. Humanity. Being a good human.
My mother was a child when this was happening. She knew a girl deformed by thalidomide living on the same street as her. We were watching the show 'Call the Midwife' which basically depicts the kind of life my mother had in the 50's and 60's London. The episode where the words "Distaval" and "thalidomide" were spoken, she instantly remembered.
My mom took Thalidomide for three weeks when she was pregnant with me. I am so lucky to have all my limbs, and never forget that for a minute!
Do you have any other problems, like infertility, mental issues?
@@katesun2957 no none, I consider myself extremely lucky ☺️
Wow what a luck! I'm so lucky to read that you're fine.
English isn't my native language, but I hope I express myself good enough to tell you that I wish you everything good and only the best and that I'm lucky for you
@@jocoombe3 I'm so happy for you too.
Bye about the 5th week Joe you would have been dead.
I can only imagine the mothers who took thalidomide, they must have felt guilt for taking it :(
Call the Midwife did a couple episodes based on it, really well done.
Im sure some committed suicide from guilt
I did! and stopped just in time a have two grown children, now. But my sister had two children born with holes in their hearts, heart murmurs. Using debendox morning sickness pills.
@@JohaxAlvarado Drugs don't cure diseases, they can treat them and other conditions though.
Exactly. This is why people hate me for not wanting the covid vaccine yet, because it's safest to wait a couple of years to REALLY know if the medicine has many high-risk side effects not found in other medicines and avoid taking something only for it to harm you and get a recall. Once it's been out for 5 years, of course I'm taking it.
Giselle seems like such a nice person for everything she has been through
I know, she’s so inspiring and beautiful!
It sounds like her parents had a lot to do with it.
@@oldauntzibby4395 Yeah, I agree 😊
Ye, but the total change of opinion on a drug that is meant to help cure some kind of cancers is pretty sad, like, I get it, you don't want more people to go through what you had to go through, but at the same time it's not the drug fault if people take it when they've not been prescribed with it and they don't respect the guidelines they're supposed to follow
@@chl6519 I was talking about the woman they interviewed opinion on the drug, of course it's the company faulth if this whole incident happened
I can't express how I feel. I am so touched by the victims choosing the greater good over rightful anger. They are great people. I pray they live long and happy life.
“The shock doesn’t belong to them.” That woman is as wise as she is strong. And as strong as she is beautiful. 🖤
❤💜
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I want this strong hero woman to strangle me and step on my weak man balls
@@stingweeber6394 .........
@@stingweeber6394 bruh
How can they be “shocked” when they all knew how bad it was. That’s called not caring.
That's also minus conscience.
It’s called sticking your head in the sand and hoping it will magically go away. Like Trump did with the pandemic.
@@ALT-vz3jn nope nothing alike, educate yourself
It's called negligence.
@@BadcatV nope, negligence isn’t taking steps to lessen the virus spread by shutting down travel from the place it originated and media calls you xenophobic. It’s not saying the truth about the virus being from wuhan and still it’s denied even though it’s true. Rather trump than Biden any day. America was all the better for it despite propaganda tearing us apart.
I'm a chemist and I can also shed some light on this. Thalidomide has two forms, S-thalidomide and R-thalidomide. This is called a racemic mixture. Basically there are two sides of the molecule and the R or S determines which side points up. S-thalidomide caused all of the birth defects but R-thalidomide is still an effective drug. It's one of the cases we chemists look at as one of our greatest failures and an important reminder of why the small details are important. The problem with racemic mixtures is they are hard to isolate. Chemists studying it initially only noticed and studied the R compound, which is how it made it past the first round.
Luke Douglass Fascinating. Thank you for shedding more light on this!
Yay science! Thanks for the info
Conformational structures!!!!
You're all welcome, I tried my best to explain it in a way that was understandable to the average person.
Luke Douglass Can’t R thalidomide also become S type in the body as well?
I’ve been strangely obsessed with this video for a long long time. i’m now using it as an inspiration for an english school project and i want to thank you for being one of the first historical topics of mine. I’m now a history buff and this exact video was kind of the start to my lovely historical studying entertainment and interests. love y’all 💜
My mother stopped taking thalidomide after 6 weeks during her pregnancy with my older brother, he was one of the lucky ones born with stunted fingers and toes only.
However it also affected his heart ..as that showed up not to be of adult size when he began having problems in his forties .
He died shortly after.
@T Toys Review Ltd I wouldn’t worry, it goes through many tests before used on humans and is tested on people before released, it should be ok
@Corrienne Wynne Strong I am so sorry for your loss 😢
@T Toys Review Ltd there are no worries, covid vaccines have been in trial since SARS.
@T Toys Review Ltd yep
This is just awful how far the reach of this drug had
That's so awesome that the victims had such an understanding veiwpoint on Thalidomide being used again.
Raven Devino it's being used again????
As stated in the video, it's being used for several severe diseases, as a last effort, mostly in third world countries. They screen the best they can to make sure pregnant women do not take it, but as stated in the video, there are still a few cases of childhood deformities.
Torrence butIdontWanna there is several medications that cause deformities you just don't take them while pregnant.
Sami Kay the lack of knowledge and the fact that they didn’t have any ethical nor sufficient trials done for the drugs is why we had these incidents. At that time, scientists didn’t have any ethical policies to adhere to nor they needed approval for trials or drug distribution as now. It’s through these mistakes, we learnt ... still unethical people exists and they harm the populations and those true scientists who work hard to help.
Nerdy Snailie that's not at all what this is about? The comment was about being appalled that they would let this medication be used again. There is no problem with it being used, there are several medications now that can cause deformities and death in fetuses, those medications aren't perscribed to pregnant women and the patient is told to not get pregnant. The medication itself is not this evil dangerous thing, it helps give dieing people a normal life for the remainder of their time on earth.
Props to Dr. Kelsey for standing her ground. This was also in a culture where women were meant to defer to men. She was a tough lady who didn't take any BS, that's for sure.
If it was happening now, people would call her anti-science..
If this had been happening now, she would be Blocked, Canceled and Banned!
If it were happened now they would have called it a women moment
@@juchou2983 not really. There are drug recalls all the time.
@@BeckBeckGo but there will be no cov vax recall ever, I guarantee you that..
I once did a job for a new mum. At the end of the day she was talking to me while cradling her baby girl. I reached out to sqeeze what thought was the baby's hand, and to my shock it was just the stub of her arm. The poor mum explained to me that her beautiful little girl was born with no feet, and no hands. I went home that day to my wife and I just burst into tears about that poor baby's horrible handicap.
We should have a national day to honor the doctor, Dr. KELSEY who discovered and questioned it's affects on pregnancy.
She should honored with Nobel peace prize!!
Yes so I can have another day off!
@ "doing your job" she was the one doctor who didn't just brush it under the carpet that something was wrong with the drug
"affects on pregnancy". Actually, that's "effects" :)
@@shombie2737 lol people always have trouble with that one
It's ironic, we imagine strong, fit, and beautiful people as leaders and heroes, but it's often people with deformities and disabilities that most illustrate the best of the human spirit.
This made me smile. Always felt really down and privileged about my disability, sometimes never felt it was a real or valid one, always felt there were stories that upped mine so I couldn't be disabled. I didn't even know I was disabled until this year. I'm a type one diabetic since 5 years old
I am not a qoute person but this, this I love
Its often not that at all lmao, thats just the modern more feelings over strength, power, and leadership version of heroes.
Compound complex pog
Here here! 👏
I was born with a lower limb deformity and nobody knows why. There is no reason, I live with it because, it is just the way I am but it makes me so angry that some people who have to go through this didn't have to. Big love and massive admiration for anybody else living with a limb deformity! 💕💜💕💜💕
Did your Mom take drugs/meds/radiation while pregnant with you ??
No my Mum didn't take anything whilst pregnant with me. She was really careful. I have a condition called PFFD (Proximal Femoral Focal Deficiency) There no reason for it. Just one of those things. xxx
Whattheshizzle You make Link look bad. You might think you're giving a compliment, but it sounds so condescending. Her Snapchat filter pic is adorable and I'm sure she thinks the same. Doubt she uses it to hide anything.
Michelle K sorry. I didn’t mean to make it sound rude, it’s just that I know some people that use filters because they don’t feel confident about their noses, etc. If it really sounds as bad as you say, I’ll just delete the comment.
I’m just terrible at being nice, I guess.
Don't worry with everything wrong with you I would still pleasure you for hours.....
Unfortunately around that time there were not too many sources of information available as compared to now.
Kudos to Dr. Kelsey for her brave stand, resulting in saving so many lives.
And Giselle for her wisdom to open to other point of views, and live her best life in spite of her daily challenges and to those parents who loved their children just as they are and took care of them the best way they can.
In the coming years , I fear many health problems will be attributed to the jab we were pushed to take
@@christinebeames712 The amount of information available is "too much" now. Or rather, people's capacity to understand the information and interpret it is stunted. No matter how many sources are available, when you're presented conflicting information and haven't learned proper reading comprehension pr to tell legit and fake sources apart.
It's sad Dr. Kesley's death went pretty much unnoticed in the USA, I had to go to the CBC to get any information on her death..
MerleOberon CBC?
Ender Shard canadian broadcasting corporation
Jeremie Beaulieu Tongsa tx
MerleOberon thats crazy bc i just heard of thr cbc today bc the missing employee.
Keith Fitz that isn't the CBC, that's the CDC: center for disease control. The missing man is an employee of the CDC in the U.S.
The lady speaking at the end in the purple dress..what an angel that she is so understanding of others who might have a better or continued life in reference to this drug. She is so gentle and intelligent, we should all be in awe of her. God bless her.
🙏🏻
Her name is Giselle Cole.
Yes what an amazing articulate woman. God Bless her for her unnecessary suffering. I wish her well.
Be
Praise Jesus Christ for ALL OF THEM....
JESUS DIDN'T THROW THEM AWAY, HE SAID....
"COME UNTO ME, AND I WILL GIVE YOU REST..."
My mother was born without her left ear because of Thalidomide. Luckily it was not too bad.
I knew a guy who had only two fingers on his left hand, and I think a shortened left arm. I always suspected it might be thalidomide-his mother was Danish, and he was born in the early 60s-but of course I'll never know for sure.
Derpy Gaming she was lucky x
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I'm danish and I remember my history teacher, who was born in the 60's also, saying that a lot of children in his generation where missformed because of thalidomide.
I don't have any numbers but I suspect my country did take a lot of this drug.
I'm glad that she's alright
Derpy Gaming bless your mom
This is a heart breaking story,so many children suffered,no amount of money is going to give back what they have lost😢🙏🏻
Anything *marketed* as "safe for pregnant women" has always been strange to me. Yesterday an ad showing washing vegetables with soap was okay, that you can even wash babies with it. I just know there's something up with those scummy marketing.
Yeah even stuff from Johnson & Johnson ain’t all that good for babies :/
@golden flower child i know right? People are so quick to let go of personal responsibility if things around them promise they don't need to worry about it for long enough.
but given the amount of science denying freaks in this comment section alone maybe the world isn't ready for people to be accountable yet lmfao
Also, why tf would you wash vegetables with soap??
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@@werstillnotfreedamit8701 English please?
Makes me think of the covid vaccine
Why isn't something like this taught in history books? So that we don't repeat such a mistake.... (edit: thanks for replying and letting me know that it's taught in school, but in my school they never taught us abt this and other severe cases, so its good to know that it's taught in other schools, hopefully such cases will never be repeated in the future)
Because it makes modern medicine look bad.
My chemistry teacher actually brought it up and showed us a short video on the topic when we were learning enantiomers (don't know if that's the english word) in class. It's both an interesting and horrifying tragedy nonetheless
In Germany, it got mentioned by our history teacher once. But I don't think that it is written down in history books. You may find it in documentaries about that time though.
It was part of our chemistry syllabus in secondary school. Should definitely be taught everywhere
Learned this in high school from my biology teacher in 2009. 🤷
Giselle is insanely wise and mature; after everything she's seen and experienced I wouldn't be able to see the drug as anything but dangerous but she acknowledges it might have some use to ease other's suffering. That's incredibly selfless of her.
She’s a beautiful soul.
"Thalidomide restricts blood flow." This alone explains the birth defects.
One man's meat is another man's poison.
Totally agreed!!!
Covid vaccine
@@lyingdogfaceponysoldier6976 covid vaccine is good for you
@@lyingdogfaceponysoldier6976 covid vaccine helps people
Safe for pregnant women? How could they ever claim that? Its insane how they lie to people so easily
That’s the pharmaceutical industry in a nutshell
@@alkira47 That's a good point! They say it's safe for the pregnant woman, not for the baby!
They claim that with the covid vaccines. But several women have lost their babies after receiving it. Most in the first trimester. But at least 1 was in the 3rd
Just like they are doing for the covid vaccine... with almost zero research and no long term research whatsoever!
What's even worse than the pharmaceutical companies are the government agencies that approve the drugs
My dad is a Thalidomide baby. My grandma took the drug when pregnant and my dad has club feet. Took many operations to kind of fix it. Still in a lot of pain daily. He is my role model in the way he sees life and you never hear him complain about anything
Not to be rude or offensive but does he have any other deformities?
@@shebevgdyehehehg6219 haha thats no problem! No, only his feet and calves
Club feet are not always related to Thalidomide. My father also has club feet and my granny never took Thalidomide, my dad was born before Thalidomide was distributed, even in Germany. No one in the family had ever been to Germany. He had extensive surgery at age 22, including a severed Achilles tendon resulting in a fused ankle. Now retired, the arthritis in his feet is terrible.
Messed up my dads teeth real bad, he’s also an alcoholic 🤷♀️ his mom was prescribed it due to morning sickness
@@rosameryrojas-delcerro1059yes but it probably is in this case
My cousin is a thalidomide. He's been on TV a couple times, but it's amazing how well he just gets on with life, does everything any "normal" person would, just without arms & legs, and his mother was amazing. Died 2 years ago, but would have been 100 yesterday! ❤
I’m Brazilian and would like to explain that we still have babies with birth defects due to Thalidomide because of the lack of education of the majority of our population. It is sold in the black market as an abortion medication, because it has a drawing of a pregnant woman with a red line across it. People who are poor here don’t know the history of this drug and associate the drawing with abortion. This only happens due to the illegality of this procedure in my country. I think that the restricted use of Thalidomide in cases of tumors or other serious diseases is totally ok, as long as it’s supervised by a doctor.
Luiza Scarpelli that is so sad.
Apparently there is another form of tge drug. The R form of the molecule causes birth defects and the S form is safer and does not cause defects but is much more difficult and probably expensive to produce. (There is a chemist comment further up the comments and I may be misquoting.) So why are they still making the R form at all?
If there is a need for abortion medications why not black market actual abortion medications? Why can't these horrible people selling it this way just buy some stickers or labels and put that on safe abortion drugs - which are probably cheaper? Women everywhere deserve correct info to make informed decisions on their health. Or maybe T makers need to have a picture of the birth defects on the bottles instead.
Also we are so upset over the loss of your wonderful museum. It is a tragedy for the world.
I'm from Brazil too, and friend of mine was pregnant when she was 18 and her parents and her boyfriend's parents tried to make her take this to end the pregnancy.
Thank you so much for explaining this. I had no idea, but the way you explain it makes sense. Not that it is the right thing to do, because labels that mean one thing can so easily be misunderstood. How sad that there is not more education and health care available. All I can say is that it's not fair. I wish I could change it, but don't know how.
I cry for those children/people/victims of this terrible drug and greed.
Yelp
Sad
We're all about to cry again because they're doing the same thing in 2021 with these "vaccines"
AMEN!!! 🙏🙏🙏🙏
@@aaliyahhenderson1888 completely different lol but ok
I was born in July 1960. My mother had just immigrated from England. I was her first pregnancy and she suffered from debilitating morning sickness. Her dr. offered her a prescription for thalidomide. She refused it because her mother had told her not take anything when you are pregnant. It was that close except for my grandmother and her wisdom.
Grandmother's are so very good. There's a few bad ones sprinkles out there, but all the existing ones now just seem so pure. I'm very glad that she said something to you mother!
Thank God you’re okay!!
You would think everyone would be that smart. Isnt it common sense?
I was born in 1960 and my mother never had morning sickness so it wasn’t an issue. When I lived in London as a child I got ill and had to visit Westminster hospital quite frequently. Whenever I had an appointment it seemed to coincide with seeing a group of some thalidomide victims going to the same hospital. I was very disturbed as a child by the sight of their stunted limbs but at least it made me aware of their plight from a very early age.
Soon we won't be even able to fart without medications.
During my final year at uni, my professor, who’s currently part of ongoing research on how thalidomide can simultaneously act as a sedative yet also cause these horrific birth defects, was trying to engage us students in a discussion to brainstorm for ideas, because the scariest thing is even though so much research has been done, we still don’t know how thalidomide actually works, let alone how to develop anything to help. It’s so evil that those who developed this drug didn’t even know how it worked, yet still decided to release it for use on pregnant women on a whim
Simultaneously to what...you have not stated the other effect in order to use the word simultaneously.
@@jeromegraff6777 OP said simultaneously act as a sedative and also cause birth defects.
I am a first year medical student and Thalidomide was brought up in Organic Chemistry. We had such an interesting discussion on the pharmaceutical industry, and how this sort of traumatic incident can now be prevented as it’s nowadays forbidden to sell enantiomers blends without cautious studies run upon the properties of both molecules. But still, scientific considerations aside, this truly is a story of greed.
Is no one finding this eerily similar to how the covid vaccine came about and how it was distributed over zealously.....?
I'm in my penultimate year, and my professor also focuses on thalidomide (always jokes that it keeps him up at night). I believe that recently, he made the breakthrough that it affects angiogenesis. Unfortunately, not much is known about the molecular pathway yet, but cerebron was found to be a molecular target to which thalidomide binds and inhibits signalling factors contributing to limb development. All vessels that do not have smooth muscle at the time of administration are affected.
My grandmother took this during her first two pregnancy. She had two babies that had dwarfism. Her 3rd child was not exsposed to this and was normal. She knows this is what deformed her children.
I thought you knew What a terrible drug. This is why they need to test them before they perscribe them. The effects cause tragedy.
I thought you knew hey sorry i just want you to know you’re super pretty ☺️
I thought you knew impossible
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But they don't test on pregnant women ever so that's out of the question. In general they do that on animals. Mice especially.
Still not foolproof though
I'm so sorry they are going through this. It should never have happened.
The Doctor who discovered and fought against this terrifying drug has literally saved the whole world, not just Americans, she must be awarded and taken care of really well, i can't thank you enough ma'am.
“Literally saved the whole world”?!?
Don’t you think that’s highly hyperbolic?
@Peter Jordan did you watch the video? It was far worse of a problem in countries that aren’t the US
@@throbbinwoodofcoxley6830 Can you not?
@@throbbinwoodofcoxley6830 Read the room.
@@throbbinwoodofcoxley6830 it's actually not. It was widely used in many countries, only exception I can count is Turkey, their health minister at the time didn't approve of thalidomide. I can't think of another case like this.
I had a great friend who was affected while in utero from thalidomide who I met when he was about 30.
It's been 25 years since then and I tell pregnant women everywhere, be fricking careful with medication.
Thank you for talking about this, even if posted 10 years ago 🙏🏼
My grandmother was prescribed thalidomide when she was pregnant with my uncle and staying in West Germany with my grandfather who worked on a boat. Luckily she asked another doctor for a second opinion and she told her to not take it (which means the drug was legal but some medical professionals already knew about the side effects).
Omg at least that Dr had conscience to tell your grandmother not to take it. Only if there were more Dr's being truthful about thalidomide and it's horrible side effects on babies to their patients!
my grandmother took it and had my dad, who was born missing an arm. Its a miracle he was able to have kids of his own
I have both arms and still can't slam
Hate to be that guy, but thankfully the drug doesn't affect his Gene, since you're born pretty cute. It would be absolute disaster if it changed the genetic and could affect future generations.
From missing an arm, he almost couldn't have kids? Why is that?
@@jenniferpoland8886 well considering his mother took the pill, I'm glad he wasn't too affected besides the arm thing
@@jenniferpoland8886 I think they mean like, they're glad it was just the arm because had the deformity been worse then maybe the dad wouldn't have been able to reproduce.
50 years from now people will be watching similar documentaries about the cruelty of price gouging insulin, epipen, and other life saving drugs and treatments.
They'll be watching, hopefully in horror, about the havoc wreaked by antidepressants and other pharmaceuticals that are handed out like candy.
You can thank Biden for continuing to help the companies hijack the price. He froze an executive order Trump had made that lowered prices.
www.snopes.com/fact-check/biden-insulin-epipen/
LOL, other first world countries have been looking down on the USA for decades because of those practices already, never mind 50 years from now. If only the other half of your country would wake up you could actually do something about it and fix your countries decline.
I hope America can overcome this costly healthcare system and move towards a more universal approach like Europe
@@pricklypear7516 easy solution, say no?
The fact that I’ve NEVER even heard of this says all you need to know about the corrupt people at the top. More people NEED to know about this!
that woman has such a sweet heart oh my gosh
❤❤❤❤ yes
You're sick. ^^
She's a lovely lady inside and out. I think people who meet her love her for how she is. Bless her.
realistically this isn’t the drugs fault. This is the fault of the company had no regard for human life. Everything in this world has a good side and a bad side, we just have to make sure into falls into the right hands
It’s like killing someone with a rock and then blaming the rock for the victims death
@@maddieokefefe4874 same with guns
@@sarathomas8499 ^^^This!
Sara Thomas people don’t seem to get this
@@maddieokefefe4874
Same with the COVID vaccines 💉
Poor babies-poor parents. This is such a tragedy. 💔
Tiffany: Not as big as the one that's unfolding right now with the lethal covid vaccine!
Then people wonder why some people doubt the covid vaccine specially young people
Its happening now to with the covid19 vaccine
just like your name... cause of heartbreaks 💔
@@CptEddyPrice Lol
I was one of those babies born in Cincinnati, Ohio, 1962. My arms and legs are very short, disproportionate to my middle part. No compensation was offered, but I am blessed to still drive a car and live something normal. ❤😂
I’m a nurse and heard from older nurses about this. I was told that there would be cases of nurses going into hysterics when they saw the babies.
oh god
I heard there were many nurses and doctors that killed the babies after birth at the mothers request..
@@chaysethebadger I had not heard that.
I have a question I have people in my village still having thalidomide kids..I don’t know if they have taken the drug? But ..like is that the only reason for the disability??
@@reykhan996 What village? What country? Former Soviet?
I read an article about it, the origins of the drug are actually very dark, it was first developed by nazis and tested on prisoners in concetration camps. Both the main guys from Grunenthal were former nazis.
Figures
@Tunguska it ain't 1950. Why wouldn't you trust Germany? They're gonna turn you socialist with their Nazi medicine?
@Tunguska I get that people don’t like to have vaccine now that I watched this. But consider to have a research regarding it. People who use this drug in 1950’s didn’t test it out and willingly give it to people, whilst the vaccines were completely safe. Many people took it, I had an acquaintance who caught Covid but he was fully vaccinated so he only has mild symptoms. No one died having themselves vaccinated
@Tunguska I got the Pfizer vaccination, and so far I haven't had any issues with it. I was of course skeptic like you as well, so I gave them lot more time to study up their vaccination. Only issue was sore hand, but that also went away within a day.
@Tunguska yes, very sound logic
My nan was given this for morning sickness and my grandad refused to let her take it. Thank god
FisForFriends Bro your grandad is a hero!
However we still have things like Zofran which causes congenital heart defects, clef lip and so on but are still given out to pregnant women nowadays. I was prescribed it during my pregnancies each time but never took it since I had already read about it. ALWAYS read about the medicines your doctors prescribe you because 90% of the time they’re making bonuses and Fiji trips thanks to those prescriptions.
It’s sickening to think how many children were killed or abandoned for being deformed. Those parents didn’t deserve children if they weren’t willing to consider the risk of disorders/birth defects that are possible in any pregnancy. Absolutely heartbreaking the way they’d treat an innocent newborn like that. Being born into the world and killed by the ones who were supposed to love you, all just for looking different. And the ones who were abandoned, they must’ve been so confused.
I know. So effing horrible.
Not many families has money and other facilities to raise a deformed child. It takes patience, willingness and unconditional love.
Added to which it was the mother who caused the problem
So how many children with birth defects or injuries have you adopted and raised? None you say, thought so....
@@ue9r6 what does that have to do with me being against ableist parents lmao
Dr. Kelsey is a hero. My biology teacher always talked about her.
I worked for many years in the pharmaceutical industry. I had her photo on the wall of my office as a reminder of our ultimate responsibility to patients.
more ppl should
Unfortunately, taking ANY medication during pregnancy is inherently risky. Every single cell of an entire human being is being formed - there's just so much that can go wrong.
@@quocano933 That's kind of specific
@Jasmine Victoria I'll say vitamins are not considered medication, however if you have a healthy diet and your doctor doesn't see any deficiency is not required for you to take them.
Quốc An Đỗ all jokes aside I’m pretty certain pregnant women actually shouldn’t be taking aspirin
@@quocano933 are you Nicki Minaj?
Right?! There's a civil claims case against Tylenol now because of the developmental disorders it turns out to cause in pregnancies, like ADHD
An amazing report. I remember when I was 12 seeing a cashier with it in her arms, I never once judged her, nor did I know what she had, I even invited her out to a waterpark, she was 8 years my senior and she was wept with joy that I never judged. My grandmother took the pill twice before the statements came out, and her first born was still healthy thank heavens.
Nice virtue signaling bro, have a cookie.
Karl Fernandez-Cao and then everyone clapped
Karl Fernandez-Cao and then everyone clapped
Yea, I know. "that happened"
Bless you for not judging. It's as it should be.
The victims had so much forgiveness, grace and wisdom.
Mad respect to the survivors who understand that it CAN be used for good, knowing that it’s extremely dangerous for fetuses. It’s unfortunate that more children have been born with the condition that the drug causes. Science is fantastic, but only when the products of science are regulated and used properly.
No this is not good or okay. They are still doing this today with faulty testing & promotions of safety with these vaccines. In the coming years people will see. They will have wished they protected their children & their bloodline. They will have wish they questioned more or that they'd have more discernment.
@@aaliyahhenderson1888 you sound uneducated and slow
@@gemimathew4101 Says the person ignorantly approaching someone in all lowercase letters.
@@aaliyahhenderson1888 LUL THIS MAKE YOU HAPPIER
Isnt it crazy how people can see this and know the corruption of big pHARMa, but then deny that there's lies and corruption to this day.. smfh
Saying that you're okay with the existence of a drug that deformed you for life just so some person with a disease like cancer can have a chance at cure and relief is amazing to me. I wish I was that brave.
I think it’s just resignation.
I mean is it really their choice to make?
It has nothing to do with bravery, and everything to do with empathy and science. There are millions of people that goes through procedures and treatments that damages them for life, yet, it can be useful for others. This is not unique to thalidomide.
@@Usortert what are you talking about
@@sigmamale4147 What confuses you? The difference between bravery and empathy? Or the fact that thalidomide is not unique in having severe side effects for some groups, yet being useful for others?