Really appreciate you guys for testing these. Unfortunately, they performed about how I suspected but i still appreciate you guys for putting the time, effort, and money into putting these into gel and armour.
Thanks so much for testing this stuff out. I was really interested in the claimed ballistics, but don't;t have anywhere to test. It sounded too good to be true and it was.
Thanx for making and posting the follow-up video. My original conclusion is hence re-inforced. I'll be sticking to the 124 and 135 grain Bullets for my 9x19mm Defensive Ammunition
5 inch barrel. Over 900 fps. 185 grains. What's the issue? It's got what, 40 or so more energy on target vs an axg 9mm round? I don't think it's worth the price, but it's not horrible.
Overpenetration kills or wounds slightly fewer people every year than the number of honest politicians in Chicago. Conclusion, those concerned about over penetration should avoid standing near or behind people I am shooting at. FBI has some excellent studies regarding handgun ballistics. A very clear refutation of knock down power, temporary wound cavity, permanent wound cavity, physiological factors of incapacitation and how insignificant over penetration actually is. Over penetration is only useful to me in that adequate penetration may be obtained with less recoil provided the bullets expansion is not compromised.
1) A slow, heavy projectile won't pierce armor. The way to beat armor is with velocity and a very high ballistic coefficient. The "armor test" was a nice touch but I think everyone knows it's gonna be a fail, which leads to... 2) The penetration test. The "through and through" penetration seen with the gel block is ideal for 2 distinct types of threats: Big, muscular animals, and people wearing many layers of clothing. These rounds specifically fill that niche, and do it very, very well. Comparing these rounds against the criteria of lighter ammunition is a little silly because they're meant to do entirely different things.
Not really. Let me quote from the box, because the WEBSITE apparently says different things than the BOX does, and not everyone is going to visit the website who picks up a box, if they become available at BassPro and Sportsman's Warehouse. The BOX says "Seismic High Mass Ammunition produces an extremely heavy weight line of ammunition for ultimate knock down power." It also says "The ability of a projectile to penetrate and damage a target is dependant on it's momentum. The formula for momentum is : P, (momentum), + M,(mass), x V,(velocity)" Sounds like Fackler has been reborn. As for through and through - the gel block was too short, needed two of them, but it didn't even begin to expand when it went through 16 inches of gel. The ammo you are thinking of for big muscular animals are usually SOLIDS, hard cast or jacketed solids meant to penetrate to the vitals. However, I have no doubt that Quakemaker was NOT designed for hunting purposes. This ammo WAS designed to do exactly what the other rounds were designed to do - self defense, and not one single company I am aware of marketing ammo in the United States sells ammo for winter heavy clothing and summer light clothing, marketed as such. Please, if I am wrong, direct me where I might find some - we rarely if EVER have heavy clothing down here in AZ. Thank you for your reply - this was, as always a simple couple of guys with some stuff doing a very informal test of a "new and improved whiz bang" item.
Big mike, ballistic coefficient has nothing to do with piercing armor. M193 has a very low BC but it does much better than the 70+ grain options that have nearly double the ballistic coefficient. Speed kills. More important than BC is bullet construction ie steel or tungsten or aluminum cores/tips
@@zackzittel7683 Precisely. Which is why AP ammo is more devastating than the stuff we civilians are "allowed" to own. That's hopefully all changing soon with the advent of exotic alloy AP ammo such as the Dagny Dagger from Atlas Arms.
Did you guys happen to test this ammo out of a p-01? My p-01 is picky about odd shaped bullets and I've had a few rounds have issues from the short chamber.
Just got this ammo and just happens that it’s going in a Beretta too. I wanted to know if it was safe and came across your video. Learned what I wanted to learn! Blessings and safe shooting.
I want to try this 180 grain 9mm ammo out on Wild Boar with my Ruger pc Carbine 9mm.I have had good results on Wild Boar with 124 & 147 FMJ flat points at 50 -74 yards dropping the Boar in it's tracks.
9” of penetration “was the star of the show” ? They say the 185gr will get much more penetration so you show up with one 16” block? Why not catch it with the armor panel after it exits the block? So we can see what it looks like? Btw golden saber is the shit I love it I’ve got dozens of boxes in various calibers. It’s cheap as dirt for a HP.
If I had been smart enough to do that, I would have, but that was my very first time ever using gelatin blocks. Next time I do something like this I will try to do exactly that.
@armoredman sounds like a plan. I’ve suggested to many gel test TH-cam’s to do some 45super gel tests but they haven’t yet. It’s gaining popularity and everyone’s done every caliber ever it seems like, except 45super. Factory super ammo can be shot in any full size 45 enough times to test it. I think it would be a popular vid.
@@zackzittel7683 I even still have some of these rounds left and it's getting cold enough that the do-it-yourself gel blocks might be feasible. The one we used was $150 delivered.
I know traditional gel is more of a pain to make and store but it actually shows temporary stretch cavity and permanent cavity much better than clear gel. I like the animal based gel better for getting an idea of performance. Think about doing 45 super please! I think it would be a popular video and help expose more people to a great performing round.
@@GentlemanBystander I'm sorry, I didn't catch that, 12 hour shifts drag me down a bit, my bad. Probably, but I get dislikes from people who just don't like guns and dislike any gun video they can find. :)
Certainly, nothing here is definitive in any way, just two buddies showing a few things and that WE don't trust the stuff, but I encourage people to do their own investigation and make up their own minds.
All hollow point ammo is designed to stop inside the target, which means it has transferred all energy to that target and not wasted any beyond, especially if the thing BEYOND the target is Grandma. Ammo designed to penetrate and keep going is either called ball or AP, and neither is a good choice for self defense...unless, it's all you have.
Have you ever watched a video called Deadly Weapons, from the 80s? A man is shot by a .308 FN FAL at a range of about 2 feet while standing on one foot and doesn't fall down. If it was that strong to knock you down, the equal and opposite reaction part of Sir Issac's equation would knock you down as well. Incidentally, I do recommend the Deadly Weapons movie for some interesting thing, just skip the first 30-40 minutes of water jug shooting.
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Really appreciate you guys for testing these. Unfortunately, they performed about how I suspected but i still appreciate you guys for putting the time, effort, and money into putting these into gel and armour.
No trouble at all sir - we like doing this stuff. The videos will get better the more we work together.
Great to see my old favorite 9BPLE in action once again. Gone but not forgotten....
Speaking of 100% weight retention...
Wouldn't hurt to hit the gym once in a while.
Thank you for the suggestion, I'll take it under advisement. Well done to keep this current with 3 year old videos!
Thanks so much for testing this stuff out. I was really interested in the claimed ballistics, but don't;t have anywhere to test. It sounded too good to be true and it was.
Not to mention it's fun to do stuff like this, even if we are a couple of barely talented amateurs. :)
Thanx for making and posting the follow-up video. My original conclusion is hence re-inforced.
I'll be sticking to the 124 and 135 grain Bullets for my 9x19mm Defensive Ammunition
Should've had a second block to see just how deep the round would've kept going. 16"-18" is the gold standard. Thank you for the test regardless.
I fully agree. We won't be repeating this test any time soon, but you are absolutely right
5 inch barrel. Over 900 fps. 185 grains. What's the issue? It's got what, 40 or so more energy on target vs an axg 9mm round? I don't think it's worth the price, but it's not horrible.
Overpenetration kills or wounds slightly fewer people every year than the number of honest politicians in Chicago.
Conclusion, those concerned about over penetration should avoid standing near or behind people I am shooting at.
FBI has some excellent studies regarding handgun ballistics. A very clear refutation of knock down power, temporary wound cavity, permanent wound cavity, physiological factors of incapacitation and how insignificant over penetration actually is. Over penetration is only useful to me in that adequate penetration may be obtained with less recoil provided the bullets expansion is not compromised.
I'd rather have AP rounds than HP for this very reason.
1) A slow, heavy projectile won't pierce armor. The way to beat armor is with velocity and a very high ballistic coefficient. The "armor test" was a nice touch but I think everyone knows it's gonna be a fail, which leads to...
2) The penetration test. The "through and through" penetration seen with the gel block is ideal for 2 distinct types of threats: Big, muscular animals, and people wearing many layers of clothing. These rounds specifically fill that niche, and do it very, very well.
Comparing these rounds against the criteria of lighter ammunition is a little silly because they're meant to do entirely different things.
Not really. Let me quote from the box, because the WEBSITE apparently says different things than the BOX does, and not everyone is going to visit the website who picks up a box, if they become available at BassPro and Sportsman's Warehouse. The BOX says "Seismic High Mass Ammunition produces an extremely heavy weight line of ammunition for ultimate knock down power." It also says "The ability of a projectile to penetrate and damage a target is dependant on it's momentum. The formula for momentum is : P, (momentum), + M,(mass), x V,(velocity)" Sounds like Fackler has been reborn.
As for through and through - the gel block was too short, needed two of them, but it didn't even begin to expand when it went through 16 inches of gel. The ammo you are thinking of for big muscular animals are usually SOLIDS, hard cast or jacketed solids meant to penetrate to the vitals. However, I have no doubt that Quakemaker was NOT designed for hunting purposes. This ammo WAS designed to do exactly what the other rounds were designed to do - self defense, and not one single company I am aware of marketing ammo in the United States sells ammo for winter heavy clothing and summer light clothing, marketed as such. Please, if I am wrong, direct me where I might find some - we rarely if EVER have heavy clothing down here in AZ.
Thank you for your reply - this was, as always a simple couple of guys with some stuff doing a very informal test of a "new and improved whiz bang" item.
Big mike, ballistic coefficient has nothing to do with piercing armor. M193 has a very low BC but it does much better than the 70+ grain options that have nearly double the ballistic coefficient. Speed kills. More important than BC is bullet construction ie steel or tungsten or aluminum cores/tips
@@zackzittel7683 Precisely. Which is why AP ammo is more devastating than the stuff we civilians are "allowed" to own. That's hopefully all changing soon with the advent of exotic alloy AP ammo such as the Dagny Dagger from Atlas Arms.
Did you guys happen to test this ammo out of a p-01? My p-01 is picky about odd shaped bullets and I've had a few rounds have issues from the short chamber.
Just got this ammo and just happens that it’s going in a Beretta too. I wanted to know if it was safe and came across your video. Learned what I wanted to learn! Blessings and safe shooting.
I want to try this 180 grain 9mm ammo out on Wild Boar with my Ruger pc Carbine 9mm.I have had good results on Wild Boar with 124 & 147 FMJ flat points at 50 -74 yards dropping the Boar in it's tracks.
I don't know if the maker is still around - the nes I had left I donated to a gent wanting to do testing on it as well.
These were supposed to be for carbine length barrels why is everyone testing them out of handguns
Odd, I don't remember anyone mentioning that little bit of info.
"Will this armor panel rated to stop a 180gr bullet at 1065 FPS stop a 185gr bullet at
Welcome to the party, pal. It was quick, it wasn't very scientific, and it was fun.
9” of penetration “was the star of the show” ? They say the 185gr will get much more penetration so you show up with one 16” block? Why not catch it with the armor panel after it exits the block? So we can see what it looks like? Btw golden saber is the shit I love it I’ve got dozens of boxes in various calibers. It’s cheap as dirt for a HP.
If I had been smart enough to do that, I would have, but that was my very first time ever using gelatin blocks. Next time I do something like this I will try to do exactly that.
@armoredman sounds like a plan. I’ve suggested to many gel test TH-cam’s to do some 45super gel tests but they haven’t yet. It’s gaining popularity and everyone’s done every caliber ever it seems like, except 45super. Factory super ammo can be shot in any full size 45 enough times to test it. I think it would be a popular vid.
@@zackzittel7683 I even still have some of these rounds left and it's getting cold enough that the do-it-yourself gel blocks might be feasible. The one we used was $150 delivered.
I know traditional gel is more of a pain to make and store but it actually shows temporary stretch cavity and permanent cavity much better than clear gel. I like the animal based gel better for getting an idea of performance. Think about doing 45 super please! I think it would be a popular video and help expose more people to a great performing round.
Fyi, just chrono-ed these @ 920-950 through a 5 inch barrel. Pretty amazing ammo. If the work out some bugs, I'll sell my 300blk.
I got 884 with a 4 incher. That was in the first video. I you like it, I wish you the best of luck with it.
You can't compare this crappy pistol ammo to any average rifle round such as the 300blk
@@redleg32002000 This ammo is great for suppressor use.
So 6 Seismic employees watched this I take it...
I have no idea who watched and who didn't. Sorry, can't help you with that one.
@@armoredman It was a joke because there were six dislikes over what was a fair and informative video.
@@GentlemanBystander I'm sorry, I didn't catch that, 12 hour shifts drag me down a bit, my bad. Probably, but I get dislikes from people who just don't like guns and dislike any gun video they can find. :)
@@armoredman Roger that.
I mean, just ballistics gel isn’t a super definitive test for me
Certainly, nothing here is definitive in any way, just two buddies showing a few things and that WE don't trust the stuff, but I encourage people to do their own investigation and make up their own minds.
armoredman I personally think a test with a bone and organ analogy would’ve been better. But that’s just me
@@bedlams9594 I agree, if we had had one, we would have do that. Thank you for positive comments, sir!
@@bedlams9594 I'd be happy to if I could afford it - I can't even afford a decent chuck roast right now.
armoredman that’s very reasonable
How could you not tell the weight?
And it wasnt design to stop when it expands due to the slugcore behind it
All hollow point ammo is designed to stop inside the target, which means it has transferred all energy to that target and not wasted any beyond, especially if the thing BEYOND the target is Grandma. Ammo designed to penetrate and keep going is either called ball or AP, and neither is a good choice for self defense...unless, it's all you have.
I bet it deploys so much force it's gone sit you down armor on or not
Have you ever watched a video called Deadly Weapons, from the 80s? A man is shot by a .308 FN FAL at a range of about 2 feet while standing on one foot and doesn't fall down. If it was that strong to knock you down, the equal and opposite reaction part of Sir Issac's equation would knock you down as well. Incidentally, I do recommend the Deadly Weapons movie for some interesting thing, just skip the first 30-40 minutes of water jug shooting.
Guess I'm staying with TUI for 9mm
@@Beardman56 It's very good stuff yes
Totally underwhelming.
Yes, we are, aren't we? :)