So pretty much it's an expanding subsonic 9mm with devastating terminal ballistic results. I might have to try a box of this. Might have to test it on a watermelon and some dry wall to simulate interior and exterior walls.
920 fps out of a Glock 19 with a 185gr projectile? Sounds just like my sig 45 acp cartridges. Theyre 200 gr projectile moving at 916fps . Curious about lock time and battering on a 9mm frame.
Yah, considering most gun companies had to substantially beef up their 40 s&w platforms, it may be good ammunition, but physics will just significantly shorten your 9 mill platform's lifespan.
Yah, considering most gun companies had to substantially beef up their 40 s&w platforms, it may be good ammunition, but physics will just significantly shorten your 9 mill platform's lifespan.
I want some 240G 10mm with a solid, shaped penetrator projectile to try and see if it would make good "WIlderness Carry" in my G20's. Sounds like really interesting stuff.
Also, to those that don't pay attention, these are NOT restricted to LE/Mil members. They offer stuff for LEO's and active/discharged .mil but anyone can go buy a suit. If you listen closely to what he actually says...starting at around 55 seconds....
Curious how they are getting the velocity with that kind of weight How much harder will it be on the firearm over the course of it life. Also how borderline is it with lock-up time
@Dan Jett right! Velocity is wheres its at. Look at how devastating 5.56 is. Maintaining said velocity with a heavier mass should result in better performance. It gain mass and lose velocity will mostly likely result in a net loss
Well now the 9mm can equal the old 38 special manstoper load used in snubnose revolvers for plainclothes officers to enable performance against hard barriers.
Okay.......nine months after this video was made: no ammo. Out of stock. It was going for $30/21rds and a fella has problems getting 9mm anything right now, let alone 5.56, AK, .308, etc. If you can find it, it's $1.10+/rd. For crap ammo. Buckle down, kids. It's gonna get scary.
I made a comment on wisemen company when they saw this round at shot show if I remember right I don't understand why they did this for a 9mm if you want to.shoot heavier rounds why not get a 40 s&w and I know people absolutely hate 40s but I shoot 180 grain bullets out of my xd everytime I shoot it lol I just don't get it
More weight to have to carry around in a 15 round mag. I’d rather have 85 grain 9mm projos leaving at 1800 ft pet sec. Just kidding, But figured it would make somebody upset reading that comment
@Dan Jett when you say 9x21 are you referring to the extra room from the hollow base and/or from the shorter projectile. Or is there another 9 chambering?
@Dan Jett interesting. I just started loading 9 about a year and a half ago. At one point loaded 100g .380 just for plinking rounds bc it was the only projectiles available Idk that I could do this though due to my pistols having stepped chambers.
@@Mr.Ut21 Well there are modern .30 carbine options, sage even does a chassis for it. But the main limitation of the guns is the slow twist rate. If someone were to produce a barrel with a twist rate somewhere between 10-14 I think you could see the versatility of .30 carbine as an intermediary between 9mm and 5.56. it's overall length is shorter than 5.56. But with a faster twist rate and seismic's case/propellant design you could stabilize a heavy projectile close to the weight of 300blk and at a higher velocity. All while being within pistol cartridge length. But all that said if your limited to what is currently available, there are some replica M1s and modern alternatives.
@@matthewbeaver5026 .30 carbine deserves to be in a semi auto. revolvers should be left to the cartridges so large they can't fit in the grip of a pistol but not so large that they might as well be a rifle. In my opinion.
@@jordanhorst6 I agree though I don't know that it's ever been done. As in a semi auto pistol. My dad's m-1 is one of my favorites. Idk if it's the oddity of the caliber or just the over all nostalgia lol. Would love to see a pistol other than a revolver that could be paired with it. Kinda the same concept as having a 357 revolver and lever. Long gun and handgun caliber commonality
GREAT INFORMATIVE VIDEO. I was looking for information on the 165 grain for my 16 inch PCC & I came across this. This round has got me reconsidering get a PCC in .45 ACP for home defense.
I know this video is old but I started looking for the 45 ACP. Seismic said they were in the R&D phase awhile ago. I've been using the 9mm and as long as you have a 4" barrel or bigger than you'll have the best results. I want the 300 gr 45 now!
For some reason I never noticed that this ammo uses a 2 piece case. Due to my state laws(CT) we can't have a threaded barrel in a pistol(unless you bought it before the most recent "assault weapon" ban, and registered it with the state as an assault weapon(yes, seriously)), so I don't have a 9mm suppresor, but I'd love to shoot this through a can. I'm also surprised at the velocity(I think he said 970fps out of a g19 or 17?) Most 147gr defensive rounds are right at 1000fps, though I can't remember if that's normal pressures or +P. My only concern is how small the difference in velocities that you get expansion vs. no expansion out of are too small, at least for a handgun. I think having this for a dedicated PCC/subgun round is the better option, particularly if you want something in 9mm that's as quiet as possible.
There is a non-threaded QD mount suppressor for Glocks but it's not available in America yet. Gen 5 g19 & g17, gen3/4 g34. Also offer it for some HK model as well. Austrian company. Been keeping my eye on it but no news yet.
Well, its really high pressure rounds that cause wear and tear. +P and +P+ 9mm cause wear much faster than standard pressure .40. Over pressure ammunition has a much different POA/POI shift vs standard pressure. As well as more recoil. Which means people who carry 9mm should be practicing with ammunition that is +P/+P+ to get quality of practice rather than quantity. As a side note there is no such thing as +P/+P+ .40 S&W.
another great vid. high level, deep dive, phd quality, great presence and delivery. brought your viewers right along with you through the discussion like a squad in the tree line. perfect is almost good enough. but then im only an american farmer. what could i know at 73. vty R
That's what I was thinking. The weight and MV aren't any different from a lighter .45 ACP. And .45 at that weight you'd have a big, honking cavity in the front. So it punches a bigger initial hole and then expands too. How is this an improvement? More rounds in a lighter gun? Maybe I just answered my own question!
9mm guys have severe identity issues. ".40 & .45 are too snappy" 😭 "9mm hits just as hard as .40 & .45" Now it will be "185gr 9mm hits as hard as .40 but with a few more rounds" ever thought maybe you should learn to shoot better?!?! 😂😂😂
9mm guys are confident men that know what they have will get the job done and are badasses because their more than likely in a situation that will require The extra rounds. .40 guys are men that wish their dick was juuust a little bigger and if it were so, they could perform better. .45 guys are men with tiny dicks that want everyone to think their hung, and their also very cocky because they think they can get the job done with fewer shots because we all know the .45 is magical.
Good bye .40 cal and .45 cal, l just hope that no super secret unit start to carry it and the price shoots through the roof, like Daniel Defense and Colt.
It appears that this ammunition is just all hype. The 185 grain seismic 9mm failed to expand properly in a 16-inch block of 10% ballistics gel out of a full size Beretta M9. th-cam.com/video/41VOBixvGQc/w-d-xo.html I would definitely feel more comfortable sticking with a company like federal or Remington Golden Saber.
@@bridges7472 Yup l saw the video after l posted my comment, I carry Hornady critical duty in both 9mm and 40, I look at what the FBI what they carry since they got the people to do the research.
Good review- I don’t carry 9mm my wife does though. I am not sure if I understand how you can stuff that big of bullet in to a 9mm casing. Then still have enough room for a charge of powder. I have shot 185 in .45 acp. I really didn’t care for them and am shooting 230gr
![[Triggrcon 2019] Seismic ammo shows off the heaviest 9mm load on the market](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Z_gIm1GMd5A/mqdefault.jpg)
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DG 3 my black car is small
I know why 😂🤣😂
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Lol I guess my dude here knows what he's talking about.
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Very cool! Didn't know they made 185gr. Good video! Thanks for sharing!
So pretty much it's an expanding subsonic 9mm with devastating terminal ballistic results. I might have to try a box of this. Might have to test it on a watermelon and some dry wall to simulate interior and exterior walls.
920 fps out of a Glock 19 with a 185gr projectile? Sounds just like my sig 45 acp cartridges. Theyre 200 gr projectile moving at 916fps . Curious about lock time and battering on a 9mm frame.
you think locktime is gonna be something you notice there jerry miculek?
Yah, considering most gun companies had to substantially beef up their 40 s&w platforms, it may be good ammunition, but physics will just significantly shorten your 9 mill platform's lifespan.
Yah, considering most gun companies had to substantially beef up their 40 s&w platforms, it may be good ammunition, but physics will just significantly shorten your 9 mill platform's lifespan.
I want some 240G 10mm with a solid, shaped penetrator projectile to try and see if it would make good "WIlderness Carry" in my G20's. Sounds like really interesting stuff.
You don't need a heavy bullet.
@@duckwacker8720 if there are 🐻 ya might
Sounds like you want .45 super/.460 Rowland to me.
255 gr hardcast @ 1100/1300.
@@TheScottyp1 nah you need penetration in a bullet against bears that dude is right 180 gr in 10 milly will do the job
@@TheScottyp1 or mix up the mag and put 180 and 230 and repeat till your full
Great info content sir.
Seems like it would be a great suppressed 9 round
Also, to those that don't pay attention, these are NOT restricted to LE/Mil members. They offer stuff for LEO's and active/discharged .mil but anyone can go buy a suit. If you listen closely to what he actually says...starting at around 55 seconds....
Great video
If this is so great,just shoot the 40S&W same weight but higher velocity. Better expansion and penetration more energy. 9mm fanboys:-))
And less capacity
Ok, boomer.
@@blakeb.8525 🤣
Also wider wound channel
@@borkwoof696 jepp.that to
What about suppressed PCC? Just curious if you experimented with that.
00:21. 😂😂😭
Curious how they are getting the velocity with that kind of weight
How much harder will it be on the firearm over the course of it life. Also how borderline is it with lock-up time
@Dan Jett right! Velocity is wheres its at. Look at how devastating 5.56 is. Maintaining said velocity with a heavier mass should result in better performance. It gain mass and lose velocity will mostly likely result in a net loss
Good idea. I'll stick with 147 and under..
Sorry sometimes black is bigger :)
When you try to go against the grain...
Awesome title🤣
Has anyone tried reloading these new casings (I’m saying casing because I have no idea if it’s brass)?
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So says the small coastguard dud
The would be great for the cmmg radial delayed bolt.
this is crazy, get a 147grain and your good if you want a heavy projectile
Well now the 9mm can equal the old 38 special manstoper load used in snubnose revolvers for plainclothes officers to enable performance against hard barriers.
What kind of round is that? What's it called?
Serious question… How does this differ from 180 grain 40 caliber?
Sectional density because of projectile diameter...Realistically though...likely not that worthwhile with the availability of .40 cal guns.
Bullet diameter, sectional density, size of the wound channel
What the shit is exactly what i thought before i read it. Lol
Oh, look, 9mm trying to be a .40cal... 🥴
Good video dude.
Snake oil to spend money
10yrd zero at 25yrds is .7 inches high. You just in the most complicated way zero your guns for 10yrds. Just my tism side kicking in.
Came here for the boomer 45acp comments
why wouldn't you just go with a .40
I'll stick to my hst 147 GR.+p+
Nitro. 500. ?????
I’ll be curious to see how it penetrates and expands. Everything black penetrates and expands deeper....
Okay.......nine months after this video was made: no ammo. Out of stock. It was going for $30/21rds and a fella has problems getting 9mm anything right now, let alone 5.56, AK, .308, etc. If you can find it, it's $1.10+/rd. For crap ammo.
Buckle down, kids. It's gonna get scary.
I made a comment on wisemen company when they saw this round at shot show if I remember right I don't understand why they did this for a 9mm if you want to.shoot heavier rounds why not get a 40 s&w and I know people absolutely hate 40s but I shoot 180 grain bullets out of my xd everytime I shoot it lol I just don't get it
Mag capacity
Its literally 1-2 shot difference AT MOST. Hardly a seismic change in magazine capacity. Therefore going from .40 to 9 over capacity is idiotic.
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Why not just carry a .40 180 gr. ?
It’s a subsonic round
Because 165gr are a lot better in .40
Duckwacker 100% agree...like the 155 more
The joke was funny. But it’s clearly not black. It’s gun metal grey
More weight to have to carry around in a 15 round mag. I’d rather have 85 grain 9mm projos leaving at 1800 ft pet sec.
Just kidding, But figured it would make somebody upset reading that comment
Maybe but a 50gr 9mm projectile out of a Glock 17 at 2100 ft per sec won’t hurt your gun
m.th-cam.com/video/Nr6h44Pu4sM/w-d-xo.html
@Dan Jett when you say 9x21 are you referring to the extra room from the hollow base and/or from the shorter projectile.
Or is there another 9 chambering?
@Dan Jett interesting. I just started loading 9 about a year and a half ago.
At one point loaded 100g .380 just for plinking rounds bc it was the only projectiles available
Idk that I could do this though due to my pistols having stepped chambers.
Run this out of a Glock 43 😂
Will do
It seems this round wants to grow up and be a 40 cal.
Why does everything black have to be big🤣🤣🤣🤣
Wanting .45 ACP weight bullets in a 9mm... why not carry a .45.
That’s a myth. My fde ar has more girth than most black rifles. And I played football in college! 😂
Quite mudafuckin honked.
ARE YOU BLACSICAN
I know I might be in the minority here, but I'd love to see seismic or someone else make a new modern .30 carbine round. bring it back from its coma.
To shoot it out of what exactly? I 80 year old relic?
@@Mr.Ut21 Well there are modern
.30 carbine options, sage even does a chassis for it. But the main limitation of the guns is the slow twist rate. If someone were to produce a barrel with a twist rate somewhere between 10-14 I think you could see the versatility of .30 carbine as an intermediary between 9mm and 5.56. it's overall length is shorter than 5.56. But with a faster twist rate and seismic's case/propellant design you could stabilize a heavy projectile close to the weight of 300blk and at a higher velocity. All while being within pistol cartridge length. But all that said if your limited to what is currently available, there are some replica M1s and modern alternatives.
I think it was Ruger that use to make a revolver chamber in 30 carbine.
@@matthewbeaver5026 .30 carbine deserves to be in a semi auto. revolvers should be left to the cartridges so large they can't fit in the grip of a pistol but not so large that they might as well be a rifle. In my opinion.
@@jordanhorst6 I agree though I don't know that it's ever been done.
As in a semi auto pistol. My dad's m-1 is one of my favorites. Idk if it's the oddity of the caliber or just the over all nostalgia lol. Would love to see a pistol other than a revolver that could be paired with it.
Kinda the same concept as having a 357 revolver and lever. Long gun and handgun caliber commonality
So what exactly happens when these are fired out of a subcompact??
Nice dirt bike (5.56 lol)
GREAT INFORMATIVE VIDEO.
I was looking for information on the 165 grain for my 16 inch PCC & I came across this. This round has got me reconsidering get a PCC in .45 ACP for home defense.
I know this video is old but I started looking for the 45 ACP. Seismic said they were in the R&D phase awhile ago. I've been using the 9mm and as long as you have a 4" barrel or bigger than you'll have the best results. I want the 300 gr 45 now!
Me too lol
I have 9mms with Buffalo bore 147gr +p hard cast and seismic 185gr rounds
I had to pause for a minute after the “why everything black has to be bigger”. 🤣 Dead
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Just a thought... 10mm, 180g, size does matter...
Standard .40cal are 165 and 180. Pushing with that extra powder in the 10mm shell really adds some heat!
well why go with 185 9 mm get a 10 mm and use 180 10 mm bullets or use a 45 and use 185 on up bullets
More rounds
No thanks I’ll stick with 124+p gold dots
Stupid question! Is this safe for a Beretta 92fs?
I’m loving the all-white tactical beard. It’s like you’re tactical Santa.
Great info as always!!! Your on your way to a good armed Santa!! Just need red hat! Lol
Thanks man!! Hoooah
For some reason I never noticed that this ammo uses a 2 piece case. Due to my state laws(CT) we can't have a threaded barrel in a pistol(unless you bought it before the most recent "assault weapon" ban, and registered it with the state as an assault weapon(yes, seriously)), so I don't have a 9mm suppresor, but I'd love to shoot this through a can.
I'm also surprised at the velocity(I think he said 970fps out of a g19 or 17?) Most 147gr defensive rounds are right at 1000fps, though I can't remember if that's normal pressures or +P.
My only concern is how small the difference in velocities that you get expansion vs. no expansion out of are too small, at least for a handgun. I think having this for a dedicated PCC/subgun round is the better option, particularly if you want something in 9mm that's as quiet as possible.
There is a non-threaded QD mount suppressor for Glocks but it's not available in America yet. Gen 5 g19 & g17, gen3/4 g34. Also offer it for some HK model as well. Austrian company. Been keeping my eye on it but no news yet.
Great break down. Appreciated.
Nice Hog Hunting cartridge 180 in suppressed Ruger PC 9 mm Carbine at 50 -75 yards should be perfect & 1100 fps
$1.42 cpr right now Sep 2024
Wouldn't this create the same problem in relation to wear and tear as the .40 S&W?
Also kinda concerned about that but it's not like anyone would ever have enough money to buy and shoot enough of these to see any problems lol
Well, its really high pressure rounds that cause wear and tear.
+P and +P+ 9mm cause wear much faster than standard pressure .40.
Over pressure ammunition has a much different POA/POI shift vs standard pressure. As well as more recoil. Which means people who carry 9mm should be practicing with ammunition that is +P/+P+ to get quality of practice rather than quantity.
As a side note there is no such thing as +P/+P+ .40 S&W.
what wear and tear on 40? if the gun is made to be a 40 there is no more wear and tear than 9mm
@@bigsean2473 most 40 guns are just 9mm guns. Short of the H&K USP and a few others that’s why 40 guns beat themselves to death.
I hand load my 9mm revolver with 170rg and normal load because of the cylinder length I don’t need to compress the power
Aĺ 9mm that heavy is probably only going at the speed of a bolting rabbit. But what do I know.
Must be a very a very quiet ammo it's s
So we're talkin' "350 Legend - Short". 😂
No they just named 350 wrong.
It should've been 9mm magnum and it would've sold like hot cakes lol
I'm sorry, did you say "lenth"!?!😂🤣
another great vid. high level, deep dive, phd quality, great presence and delivery. brought your viewers right along with you through the discussion like a squad in the tree line. perfect is almost good enough. but then im only an american farmer. what could i know at 73. vty R
Probably a lot more than me. People don’t realize how important it is. Can’t but time and experience
That’s light weight 45acp ammo weight
That's what I was thinking. The weight and MV aren't any different from a lighter .45 ACP. And .45 at that weight you'd have a big, honking cavity in the front. So it punches a bigger initial hole and then expands too. How is this an improvement? More rounds in a lighter gun? Maybe I just answered my own question!
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This man has 556 on his dirtbike! That's badass! 💪🏼🍻🍻
Chris, is it a cavity back bullet to allow for a full powder charge?
My winter EDC is Canik Mete SFX it has a 5.2in barrel would this ammo do well for winter
You wouldn't shoot someone with that bullet. You would IMPALE them.
It is a black thing ain’t it lol
Fruit pop
In Iraq and other places I used nothing less than 150 grain 9mm
Sounds like a cool round for my 16" barreled PCC.
Well said... 20sec. Can we be real?
So why not just 45acp?
Definitely not
9mm guys have severe identity issues.
".40 & .45 are too snappy" 😭
"9mm hits just as hard as .40 & .45"
Now it will be "185gr 9mm hits as hard as .40 but with a few more rounds" ever thought maybe you should learn to shoot better?!?! 😂😂😂
9mm guys are confident men that know what they have will get the job done and are badasses because their more than likely in a situation that will require The extra rounds.
.40 guys are men that wish their dick was juuust a little bigger and if it were so, they could perform better.
.45 guys are men with tiny dicks that want everyone to think their hung, and their also very cocky because they think they can get the job done with fewer shots because we all know the .45 is magical.
I shoot 9m in a sub compact and .45 in a 1911, no issues
Good bye .40 cal and .45 cal, l just hope that no super secret unit start to carry it and the price shoots through the roof, like Daniel Defense and Colt.
It appears that this ammunition is just all hype. The 185 grain seismic 9mm failed to expand properly in a 16-inch block of 10% ballistics gel out of a full size Beretta M9. th-cam.com/video/41VOBixvGQc/w-d-xo.html I would definitely feel more comfortable sticking with a company like federal or Remington Golden Saber.
@@bridges7472 I use nothing but federal on my Glock 35. Just functions properly.
@@jlac2box Great choice of firearm and ammunition. That's about all I use in my Glock 22 as well.
Overwhelmingly exciting video 😒
@@bridges7472 Yup l saw the video after l posted my comment, I carry Hornady critical duty in both 9mm and 40, I look at what the FBI what they carry since they got the people to do the research.
Good review- I don’t carry 9mm my wife does though. I am not sure if I understand how you can stuff that big of bullet in to a 9mm casing. Then still have enough room for a charge of powder.
I have shot 185 in .45 acp. I really didn’t care for them and am shooting 230gr
Why u say that?
(BBC)Big Black Cartige
Hey how about a .40? A solution to a non existent problem.
Kind sir how much $for them ? Please and thank you.🦅🇺🇸
The subtle dick joke was much appreciated.
Sooo, ... sub-sonic ... -ish, and 185gr ... does that translate to defeating level III body armor like .300 blackout did?