Is the FA24 Reliable?? **Rant**
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
- This video is explaining my meaning of a reliable engine. There are many misconceptions in the community on what a reliable car is. Well I give you many examples of what its like from my point of view. I did mention IAG in this video, however they are currently in the final testing stages for the Baffle they are coming out with. I will update with a link once its available.
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Reliable - won't leave you stranded, random things don't fall off (cough, bmw), engine doesn't throw a bearing (cough, mercedes), you don't get any stupid leaks, no codes, car just runs.
Low maintenance - can do oil changes, coolant, brakes, ac stuff, electrical, all in your garage with parts from autozone or walmart without causing damage to the car.
At least on these two metrics, subaru is relatively reliable, easily in the top 5 (toyota, honda, subaru, mazda, lexus).
The reason some people think that subaru's aren't reliable, is probably because people beat on them and treat them like crap. Just because the internet says its reliable, doesn't mean you stop changing your oil etc. Why anyone thinks that is an okay way to treat your car is beyond me. My fiance, before I even met her, changed her own oil ever 3k miles on a simple little ford. She doesn't know anything about cars, but she bought a car, consulted a mechanic her dad knows, and followed the instructions for scheduled maintenance. The ford has 250k miles on it. Bores look brand freaking new.
Don't treat your car like its disposable. If you throw 5k in mods into your subaru and it blows up, you are out a car, transportation to work, and money for repairs. Just stop, get some help.
It’s not just the engine mods, folks are also putting uhp tires on and pulling G’s beyond the specs without any changes to the oiling system
Great point.
You need only overfill oil by 0,5 quart, then you can run semislicks on track without oil pressure issues
The reason people say FA24 is are unreliable is because we're mourning our losses you used to be able to go buy a Honda Civic with the d series engine and immediately put a 20 psi boost through that engine and it would be as reliable as the day it rolled off the factory with 200,000 miles on it And 20 PSI boost same goes for Mazda protege and really all of the '90s 4 cylinder engines SR20 all those engines would just handle the modifications and now we're getting served engines that can't even survive stock power through right hand turns it's not about the car on being unreliable it's about what we've lost with reliability
I don’t think any modern car can compare to the older JDM cars as far as tuning goes. But there are a plethora of FA24 owners making over 400hp with bolt on’s. The new WRX is making big gains with minimal effort. As far as the 86 goes it’s confirmed that it can hold 600hp on stock trans and cooler. I would say that’s a hell of an engine still. And I most people still track their cars without the right turn issue including myself. I think that was just a few people not the majority.
I was in a local gt86 group (older model with fa20 but similar problems). There are about 20-25 members and in a period of about 3 years, 3-4 of them had failed engines because of oil starvation problems. I know for a fact that 1 incident was on track and the other 1 was just random for no reason. Not sure about the others. Misha Charoudin's gr86 also died recently and it wasn't even on track if I remember correctly. I was considering getting a GR86 but I just don't trust these subaru engines. If I didn't care about mods (and warranty) then I might've done it because we also get up to 10 years extended Toyota warranty here. At this stage I'll rather go for a GR yaris/corolla or a type R. It's sad because these cars are amazing to drive and in my opinion the GR86 is one of the sexiest cars available right now.
Agreed they are one of the best cars. But if you are mentioning 20-25 within that time out of all the vehicles sold that’s still a small sample size compared to models sold as a whole. It sucks that some cars fail for now reason but I have 2 subies that I use way more than the average driver and had no such issues. If you like to mod your car there are low cost mitigations out there now to combat the issues which a plan on upgrading to before I get back on the track. As we sit here now I’m pushing 30k on my 86 and 0 issues. And 110k on my WRX. I would love for you to reconsider and don’t miss out on a car you love brotha!! I can tell you it’s definitely worth the purchase.
@@iManual6peed I meant that 3 or 4 members in a group of 20-25 members had engine failures. It may be lack of maintenance, abuse or just bad luck but it really left a sour taste in my mouth for these engines. This is just my experience though. Obviously I've also heard of lots of owners with zero problems and some even reaching 200k+ trouble free miles on their previous gen cars, but I can't shake the feeling. I really hope that you are right and that its nowhere near as common as the internet makes people believe. Maybe I'll still get one and just keep it stock for the warranty.
@@twistedsanity623 always keep the option open I like that answer!!!
Misha absolutely tracks his gr86. Even if the failure was off track theres no doubt a lot of damage was probably done when he was on tbe nurburgring
I am not modding my GR86 honestly. I've had many sports cars. Didn't even mod my 05 STi. Maybe I'm a purist Boomer. The upside is I tend to only put around 20k on my cars before I pay them off and having them stock with dealer maintenance has always treated me well with resale.
Honestly, this is the way. Modding cars is fun, but it gets crazy expensive, and I’d rather just pay it off. There’s plenty to enjoy in stock form
FA24 is used in Outback, Legacy, WRX and Brz/86. Most have turbos. Maybe we can get the earth to spin in the other direction?
The turbo charged 2.4 arnt the same the just have the same displacement
It is reliable, if u take care of it, and dont beat on the engine, it will be ok. Thank god i don't track mines, just a cruiser/pleaser
Meh that's the problem tbh. These are sports cars, they are meant to be driven hard and "abused" often. If they can't take it then they're not reliable, they weren't built to be your everyday corolla
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Which is why i clicked on it
Good stuff
Thanks man, I had some doubts of getting myself a GR86, again because of all those RTV and Oil starvation issues, but I know I'm not gonna track the car, it will be my daily driver, and after watching your video now I'm 100% sure
Thanks for your feedback dude, I’m just trying to spread the truth so people that want this car doesn’t get convinced it’s not reliable.
I moded my GTI in 2011 with APR stage 2. APR has redone the entire intake since then, had a ton of problems.
Re: modding you have a point. The guys who track theirs with blown engines tend to use Jackson Racing oil coolers that have large pressure drops across them. As a daily driver the Toyobaru is fine. The track guys do have oiling issues due to FA24 design flaws, but you generally need to be driving them hard to starve the vehicle.
The reliability issues where from cars that were tracked and in hard hi g right turns the oil would slosh away from the pick up and cause a low oil pressure situation.
That’s the word I’m trying to spread lol well said.
@@iManual6peed the FA24 is probably built to handle spirited street driving without hurting reliability. Even track built engines blow up because that is rhe harshest environment you put a motor in. Good video!
@@jeremywatson9129 the bmw b58 dosent suffer from that issue thou fucking phd racing is beating the living shit out of his moded supra on stock internals in fact with a pure turbo kit and the engine perform flawlessly on all of his time attack event in fact that has not yet been a recorded acount of the new supra stock blowing its engine on track.
@@patthonsirilim5739 should not be comapeing a longitudinally mounted engine in gi g-force corners. Besides, the number of failures is low compared to the number of cars that are tracked. So this is still a witch hunt.
I should be getting mom at the end of the month and can’t wait. On the main issue side I think it’s with everyone blowing up the RTV issue which is there but people seem to make it more of a deal than what it is. For engines blowing up most seem to be people who have tracked the car and been drivers who push it to the edge so for daily drivers and people who won’t track it too often it seems like there’s next to no issues as long as you keep up with maintenance and keep an eye on any RTV build up
That’s the message I’m trying to spread lol well said homie.
@@iManual6peed yeah I find people are getting too hooked on those issues when for the most part they can be mitigated and don’t effect the everyday driver anywhere near as much. Not to mention the GT86s had similar oil issues too however it’s never talked about anywhere near as much. On a better note coming from an MX5 Nd I can’t wait to get behind the drivers seat come the end of November
@@Monarch86_ I’m happy for you man you will love it
While I can agree that the RTV issue is blown up, i have not heard any other car having this issue. Aside from that, these cars should be designed to be “pushed to the edge” I have a 210k Acura tsx that I track and it handles it no problem, why is oil starvation on right turns such an issue, especially when this car is designed for cornering?
@@shahzebnoorani6321 I believe it’s a design flaw that they missed. I thought the same thing when I heard this issue. Thanks to the aftermarket though there is a few mods that circumvent the starvation issue. I believe the 24 models will not have this problem according to sources in Japan but we will have to see.
I have 2nd generation BRZ over 1 year. The only modifications I planning is a Cat Back Exhaust. It is a lot of fun and so far reliable.
Many people are having issues with modifications, lack of maintenance and extreme track use.
If you modify your on your own. I would wait until the warranty is over and some time has passed on the reliability of more major modifications. For example a Supercharger.
You hit the nail on the head with a younger crowd and lack of maintenance. People not checking oil is inexcusable.
Track use is an interesting one. You should be using a thicker oil and probably overfilling at a minimum. The other issue is people upgrading handling with 200 treadwear tires and suspension. Most cars that can handle this hard will have oil issues. You need to modify the engine to handle this and the research from the aftermarket is continuing.
@@itsthemetho the best platform out there right now!!!
I would absolutely love a GR86/BRZ, but my concern with buying any new car nowadays is how these things will do out of warranty and at 100k miles, 150k miles, so on so forth, especially when I see a lot of forum posts of owners who take super duper care of their stock GRs with low miles and the occasional track day and have their motors spin a bearing, I'm just really put off by a lot of these failures on the stock powertrain, as that last usecase is exactly what I would love to do, I don't care for modding really. I really want one of these so badly, especially new since we can see how so many owners beat on these badly, I would prefer to be the one to break it in, to do all of the maintenance on it throughout it's lifetime.
@@dagreat201 It may sound bias coming from me but you would be doing yourself a disservice if you don’t get one. If you look at the previous gen it will tell you everything you need to know about this one. The FA20 only drawback on this platform was torque dip. These cars are gems in the automotive community and are very reliable in stock form. The FA24 is no different and fixed the only main issue that plagued the previous motor. I would get a new one that purchase an extended warranty if you need a peace of mind. The only time there were engine failures were from very experienced track drivers taking long right handers. Based on your use case you will be just fine owning this car.
3:30 I still find this argument kinda stupid, "why did you mod an engine thinking it'd still be reliable." that's because there are v8s and straight 6's that can be boosted, supercharged, tuned etc, with a stock bottom end and not have anything forged, and have nothing go wrong. But I've also seen many many MANY subaru's completely stock blow a gasket, get coolant in the engine, etc. I don't care about meticulous care bs, people bring their BMW's or Subaru's to their dealers and money no object, it's still time that their car is down for repairs. The only real saving grace is that lonnng warranty for not modding the engine.
Also don't do hard right turns.
no.. his argument is not stupid, your argument is stupid. Every modification that you do to your car to increase power that goes beyond the manufacturing specification, will decrease its reliability.. are you dumb?
Right on! The truth is that there have only been TWO engine failures do to RTV. Considering many of these cars are used for track racing, this is an insignificant failure rate. Whenever cars are raced, there are going to be engine problems. Subaru has used the FA24 engine for many, many years. Throughout that time, they have continued to refine the engine, and it is the backbone of most of their models. Don't go crazy believing the BS on the internet, the FA24 is one fine, reliable engine.
i dont think anyone said FA24 is not reliable. It was the previous model (Gen1) that was not reliable FA20
I have seen the videos that’s the only reason why I made this one lol. I have both engines and they have no issues. Again I’m sure people may say that for click bait but I just wanted to explain how loosely the term is used that’s all
i want to buy a gr 86 and use it as a mountain pass car and i will go twice a year on the nurburgring making around 20 laps every year, what do you think, will i have problems with oil starvation if i keep it stock
@@sofienezouiouich1766 if you are teaching this car on a regular chances are you will get fast enough to where it might pose an issue. Keeping the car stock is fine, but make sure you get yourself an oil pressure gauge as well as maybe an Accusump that will pump in oil once it drop pressure. Some people also overfill and have no issues when tracking. These modes won’t cost much to add and you can at least take these steps to mitigate the pressure drops. I track mine and haven’t had any issues neither have the other TH-camrs who currently track the 86.
I finally have somebody i can agree with. Ive reached 37k with no issue so far. Intake, headers and catback exhaust. Bout to add some coilovers. But no more engine mods and its still running like its brand new. Better now since its winter
They say great minds think alike.
@@iManual6peed they sure do. I found the solution for tracking this thing reliably. Accusump accumulator and oil pan baffle plate should work just fine. As well as some thicker oil of course and to be extra safe, an oil cooler kit. Doing research works wonders rather than complaining and not doing anything about it.
@@L86END yea, I have been running 40 oil and looking to get Accusump before next season.
@@iManual6peed all set
Some engines need more care than others. I treat them all the same. 2000 mile oil change intervals. If I had the FA24. I would get the oil pan dropped every 4000 miles and clean up the oil pickup of any debris that broke off into the engine.
I want to ask. It looks the lifetime powertrain warranty does not cover track use or in this case "misuse". And does the oil pan baffle or mods void the warranty? I ask because I want to buy this as a daily and an occasional drift car
There are certain dealerships from what I saw that won’t cover track use issues but where I’m at if my engine has failed due to an already known mechanical issue they will replace it under warranty. If your doing drifting on the track just bear in mind that this issue has only happened on the 22 models so far. When I’m at the track there are a lot of 86s there still which to me is saying this isn’t an often occurrence. But to be on the safe side get the accusump which I know doesn’t void warranty and is also known to be quite effective.
Love the video....❤ But I had to speed it up (x2) to listen lol.
Any thoughts on if for 2025 will their be any changes to the gr86 ? maybe mis cycle refresh ?
There have been rumors of the separation between the twins but I don’t know if that will happen this year. I will keep my eye out for confirmation on a refresh once I dig into it a bit more in the next month.
@@iManual6peed yes it will be good to know before i decide to get mine, thanks 🙏🏻
@bicicaptura I got you brotha!! I’ll keep my ear out for the news and post a video once I get credible information.
Great review and points! What phone holder are you using? Thanks
It’s off of Etsy just put GR86 phone mount and it will pop right up. Are you in Austin?
@@iManual6peed excellent! Thank you. Just moved out of Austin
@@ATXDiecast nice I was born and raised there.
@@iManual6peed great city! Love the Hill Country and miss it
cant wait to get me one
alot of people like to call out these cars specifically for the whole rtv in the oil pickup issue that bricked that dudes engine on the track, thing is as far as im aware, this has happened to like maybe 5 owners, thats it, so im not gonna be ignorant that the rtv was totally an issue that shouldnt have happened but its certainly blown WAY out of proportion
We agree, we know it’s an issue but a select few have actually had catastrophic failure.
The word “reliable” only applies to daily driving cars youre never going to race with. Back and forth to work, regular servicing and absolutely no beating on the engine. Once you start trying to be faster than everyone on the highway YOU are going to add unreliability to your car
Agreed and I was always taught to do preventative maintenance and you will have little to any problems. I have had plenty of vehicles that people would consider unreliable for example my 2018 Ford Fusion people seem to mention they had issues while I had none for 3 years of ownership before I traded it in.
A reliable engine can/should be beat on every here and there
what makes you choose gr86 over the brz
I believe the 86 looks better and the sentimental value from the AE86.
What is your phone cord plugged into?
not sure exactly what your asking
@@iManual6peed it looks like it's running into the dash next to your climate controls. The only usb ports I know of are in the glove box. I didn't know if there was a hidden usb or aux port on the dash?
@@AoMxGeNeSiS I’m using the ones on the center console
I noticed every time he shifts gears it takes a while for it to display on the dash
The dash wont read until you disengage the clutch. Sometimes I hold the clutch while shifting in between gears.
2 years in and honestly the most unreliable part about this car for me is the infotainment bugging out here and there. Carplay/android auto not working correctly from time to time
These cars are marketed for track use and if they can’t hold up to that it’s a problem. You even get a track membership with the car right? The reason I do not trust Subaru’s products is because the owners will never be honest. I know Honda/Toyota/ etc. guys who modify their cars and track them reliably and don’t need to make videos like this. Whenever it comes to Mitsubishi guys they will be honest with me about their issues. When it comes to Subaru guys it’s just all these excuses and talking points. If it’s not head gaskets like back in the day it’s RTV now. It’s “my individual car doesn’t have those issues” but we can see many others who have issues. My individual car that’s unreliable by all standards hasn’t given me any issues but I know it gives most people issues. Subaru guys are the only people I can never get a clear answer with.
I acknowledged the issues about the car. Also I have been to the track as well. There isn’t so many people who have these issues it’s just a few people and not the majority. I also stated that im speaking from my experience with Subaru and gave my thoughts on what I call reliable. Yes it’s true they give you 2 track days and push you in a way to take it to the track, but the majority of the buyers will not do so and just drive on the street and use it as a daily. That’s where you will find no issues with the car. I have hyper miled this car and still no issues. And remember if you modify a car it’s not the company’s fault if you mess up from what was originally tuned to do. Kind of like jailbreaking a phone you can’t expect them to fix a problem you created that’s all I’m saying lol. Thanks for the feedback though I appreciate it.
@@iManual6peed The problem isn’t what you think I’m alluding to. Of course if you modify the car they will most likely void it. I’m not even talking in terms of the warranty really it’s irrelevant. It’s an issue specifically with the Subaru community in particular. For example like I mentioned I have an unreliable car in the same category more of less. I daily drove it for years and had limited issues (like most cars). BUT I know if I were to put it on a track or push it hard I’d have to do a few mods (which the community recommends and doesn’t downplay). My issue with Subaru products and your community is as perspective buyer; many cannot get clear answers where we need them whether it is a 40 year old Subaru or a 5 year old. For example in my real life I wanted an older WRX that has verifiable head gasket issues proven by mechanics on TH-cam. When I was in the process of purchase people from your community kept downplaying the issues. The thing that strayed me away was my none car guy mechanic who dealt with a few of them. We know if you don’t mess with the engine 9/10 it will be okay that’s most cars. But no one keeps their engine stock, people beat on their cars and people will take a car that is marketed to got to the track to the track. Subaru knew and knows this but it seems to me that they really don’t care and their customers will keep downplaying that fact. This is why I see why people call Subaru a cult sometimes. I love the Subaru community’s togetherness but I don’t feel comfortable joining it. My 2jz gives me no issues and I battle test it, my DSM gave me tons of issues but DSM guys were honest and told me before hand, muscle car guys super honest but for whatever reason I have to always cross verify with mechanics and dissatisfied owners with Subaru. I love the community everywhere I go you guys are funny and cool but it’s the only community I and many others can’t trust. Not even talking about you in particular in both my post by the way.
tldr: you have to be really good at driving with medications to break it down
For your subaru wrx wait until after 150k. Boxer motors regardless of mods are prone for head gasket issues.
150k lol. Let’s see average yearly mileage 10k for most people meaning you can get about a decade out of the car before you have real issues. So it’s reliable than right? Most people don’t even keep their car that long anymore.
@@PhoKingU2Nite na big dog I was estimating the yearly mileage I knew I was close though. But to you earlier post I was just buffering my point that the engine isn’t unreliable that’s all.
You made a lot of sense with valid points. I've had my 86 for three months now and have no intention of modifying the engine because I can't afford to invalidate the warranty. Here in England Toyota have an ingenious warranty plan. Initially you have three year cover, but if you service your car with Toyota after the third year they will extend the warranty for another year up to ten years and a 100,000 miles. So for most people here with a GR86 we have ten years cover. So Toyota are backing up their reliability reputation.
Thanks man, I’m glad that what I’m saying is reaching some people. It’s funny how fast false narratives can spread after a few incidents. This car is awesome and reliable.
my first Toyota I bought new in South Africa and the warranty is the same, service so far has been really great , even get the express service option. Although parts do need to get ordered in advance. I got them Fufiwara decals on my pearl white too :)
As long as your conscious of the faults with the engine and are watching your temps then there really is nothing to worry too hard about, just enjoy the car!
Ive had mine 14 months 27000 miles. Not one issue.
That motor is a beast!!!, it eats rtv and keeps running, that on my book is a reliable engine 👌hoping to get one soon!!!!
I will mod my FA24, but I don't drive like an AH. I will not race. I will change all fluids well before the Subaru recommended miles. Not worried.
Preach!!! Lol
I just learned subaru doesn't use gaskets in the engine 😮
I had the old gen 86 but after test driving the new gr 86 oh boyyyyy do I want one
I have found that 90% of the people online crying Subaru isn't reliable are the same people who are modding the crap out of their cars. You can't fundamentally change the car and then act surprise when it blows up.
My Man!!! Couldn’t have said it better myself lol. The thumbnails I see of them hanging their heads with a “Subaru said they can’t cover it” title. Well when you have 800 hp with a engine that was tuned for 230. This has nothing to do with reliability on Subaru’s part.
Subies CVT are absolute hot garbage. But their engines are completely fine and only blow up cause idiots just maxxxx out all the hp and not knowing, mechanically wise, wtf theyre doing
The thing with reliability is what was advertised and intended to do. All cars should be reliable as a daily driver. The 86/BRZ was intended to be a daily driver sports car and a track/drift car while stock.
Its like buying a pickup, SUV or a truck and was advertised to treck mountains, carry cargo or crossing rivers and deserts. As a daily driver, these cars should work perfectly fine. But if the engine blows up while doing what was advertised, would you consider the pickup/etc. reliable?
That’s a very good question. My answer is yes it’s still reliable because the engine failure only happened to a few 1st gen 22’s. I see a lot of 86’s when I go to the track and they don’t fail performing both at all. What I’m learning the more I get into going to track days is that you should have mods on most if not any vehicle you want to track extensively. Because everyone’s driving habits are different it would be impossible to compensate for all type of driving. The 23s have not blown up to my knowledge. I hope I explained that well enough. Thanks for your feedback.
@@iManual6peed Yep! The sample size does not match the noise.
Thanks for making this video, as someone who’s currently saving up and has been eying at this car, I found it to be quite helpful. My biggest concern like many others and what I think the issue is if this is just track thing where people are just driving it way too hard, and if they blow the engine and daily the car claim it’s unreliable.
I’m personally just interested in driving this on curvy roads and wanting to do basic upgrades such as wheels, tires, breaks, and cosmetic looks, (maybe a turbo later on). I get that doing a turbo has its risks, but even compared to people turning the car, somehow the other main issue is getting attention which is weird. The last thing though is that I hope on the they 2024 fix the design flaw.
I’m glad you found the video helpful. This car is great, I am enjoying every moment of owning it and I, like you will be adding some upgrades later once my warranty is up. But I’m fully aware if anything were to happen it won’t be because of the manufacture, it will be me risking the integrity of how the car is currently tuned. That’s what people need to see, and I am here to help spread the truth.
Dude the amount of facts is crazy 😭, I have an 86 and I have a few mods and it still runs beautifully even when I daily it 😭
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Mine is a little over a year old with 2380 miles. I'm glad to hear of your experience. I love this thing.
How have you only put 2380 miles on a car in a year.. Thats nuts.. I have over 100k on my vehicle and i bought it in 2020..
@@nashonabo821 I'm at about the same, don't get the opportunity to drive it a lot. Work from home, wife, kid, etc haha
From what I know the only problem that is really evident is the abundant amount of RTV gasket used in the oil pan
One of the main mods that you can do to a car that won't negatively impact the reliability of the car but does increase the driving experience is a catback or axle back exhaust. I think they make it much easier to shift based off of sound and they make the car more fun to drive. However, when you start introducing power mods and start tuning the engine, that's when you run into problems or should at least expect to encounter problems at some point. I think that Subaru vehicles, especially the WRX, get a bad rep for being unreliable but that's because these cars are oftentimes improperly modified, not maintained correctly, and driven hard.
Not sure why people are given these engines and cars such a hard time. I have a 08 cobalt with a 2.4 ecotec engine with 136k miles. That engine has plastic guides for the metal timing chain cause it's a GM engine
I have 2023 10th anniversary special edition only thing it has is an air intake and oil catch can the stock GR performance exhausts dosen’t need to be changed and i won’t do anything else to it
The reasons why Subaru, in particular the WRX/STI, got the bad “unreliable” reputation was because people thought they can mod them with no tune.. even a simple down pipe required a tune. This is true in the early 2000’s with the bug,blob and hawk eye. They seen evo’s mod and reliability and thought the WRX /sti could follow suit. You never see any other Subaru model ever brake down like that… why? Cause no one mods or pushes them to their limits.
And that is why an accessport is necessary when modding. I have one on my VA WRX and learned that even the OTS tunes have different variants based on what you install on the car.
I think if you take a car pretty much any car and track it then obviously reliability goes down. Now i know ppl will say this car is supposed to be a track capable which it is. But you still need to maintain it and even more so if you're tracking it. Just like any car. Lol ppl be tripping
Couldn’t have said it better myself
I came to learn about the engine, gave up at the 2min mark after hearing the word reliable at least 50 times with no explanation 😂
Well after 20k miles it's rare that a car wouldn't be reliable. Let's see it at 200k or just 150k after that you can say if its reliable or not. I am sure that the GR or BRZ have reliable engine but 20k miles is too soon to judge
I’m judging because I have another Subaru with over 100k miles on it. And most of the common folk that are in the market are stating that it isn’t with no Subaru at all.
Ppl woth subaru mod their cars but that's not what's important here. Specifically the FA24 is it reliable? At the moment it appears to be we will see when everyone begins to start racking higher mileage.
@@isaacmagana7078 right!! Only time will tell if this engine proves reliable but based on previous Subaru engines after the EJ from the mid 00’s I’m sure most people will be fine.
Thanks for all info!
i dont know about the new fa24 engines, but i have never had a problem with my fA20
@@fatbenjiii5213 same I haven’t either!! My 2020 WRX is still pushing
@@iManual6peed ahah thats good to hear! im planning on adding a uel header and overpipe from psr for more perofrmance on the brz than leave it at that
6:33 I picked my 2023 brz limited ( manual) up November 18 ,2023 with 10miles on it and I now have 19,832 miles (today is June 5, 2024 )
I won’t be modifying my engine; once mine comes in. Additionally I won’t be tracking it. With this in mind I have zero regrets ordering a 2024 BRZ Limited.
22,000 and the HPFP injector noise is real 😹 These engines be making the noises that most people aren’t used to.
I'm sorry, but you are making a lot of excuses for this car when you say things like this is probably a car people keep for 3 years and trade in, so don't worry about reliability. What I want from a car is true long term reliability. Like an MX5 that can run and run for decades and be fine with typical maintenance. And people want to track the GR86 because it's what it was advertised to do. Now I don't believe that every GR86 is going to blow up the moment you track it, but compared to many cars out there, it is not reliable. And when you think about sustainability, a car that doesn't last for decades and just ends up in junk yards is a wasteful product.
I disagree, I don’t think I’m making excuses for the car, I’m simply stating that if you decide to track the car make sure you know what you’re doing before doing so. I think if you don’t track the car it will be just fine. There is no one out there stating that they have issues unless of one specific event which is the high G right turns which you will never do on the street. I have tracked this car and aware of what I need to do to mitigate the issue, other than that there is no reliability issues with this car.
as soon as he said I got a tune-up on my WRX I knew this guy had no idea anything about cars at all
I know what reliable is though. At the time I may not have known much but I have one valuable thing I could offer on this subject and that’s experience with driving many vehicles and understand what reliability is. That was the premise of the video.
@@iManual6peed fundamentally do not understand how an engine becomes reliable you just understand that some cars are reliable which is not what most people are looking for
@@braydoncoate9583 I guess you are most people the comment section seems to think differently but sure man I dont understand why an engine becomes reliable but i know everyone seems to have their own version of what reliable means to them. I just stating my overall experience with this car documenting my experiences with FA engines. Since I have alot of experience driving them.
I've always said this car would be perfect at 250 hp. That's it.
I will say (idk if it's true but...) for the people who wanna mod an engine and they're installing em by themselves, they're either buying em cheap, not upgrading the components or not tuning the engine that the mods need. (I could be wrong but I've recently been learning about fixing and mods)
something as simple as an exhaust most of the times need a tune. What i have noticed is that people rush to mods without prepping the car properly to handle them.
So no RTV or oil starvation issues?
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@@iManual6peed I'm glad, I don't have a GR myself I have a 2020 standard 86. I've done some new wheels but thats it. I totally agree with the moding though; the engineers build the vehicle a certain way, most mods aren't meant for reliability but more geared towards performance (racing)
I think reliability depends on how the car is being used or how the driver/owner treats the car. There are design flaws from the factory which definitely not a problem for daily use or spirited drive for a bit. I’d say either stock or not if you hit that design flaw spots it will go. My car is completely stock, well maintained, I had no problems going quite hard on mountain roads once in a while. Until 50k miles on a track, just after 1 warmup lap I heard rodknock. My guess was probably high G corners. I wasn’t going over 4k since it was warmup but the track had a lot of high speed corner and I think I went 110-120km/h (70-80mph) on those corners and it just gone.
What track was this and did Toyota cover??
@@iManual6peed my car is an import and the Subaru in my country is not a dealer. They are just retailers so I couldn’t claim anything through them. And the track was Chang International Circuit.
Just bought a 2022 86 off vroom because all the dealers anywhere near are back ordered. Would I have Toyota warranty still on it? And do you know if my local Toyota would still service it?
I believe they will. I would check with the service department and see for sure. Also the mileage. If your under the mileage I believe you should be fine. I got mine from Carvana and still had all of my perks.
My first car was a used 2014 Mitsubishi Lancer ES (CVT, Grocery getter edition), bought with 60k miles, now it has like 93k and still running.
I bought a GR86 2023 Premium new, and I can't ask for anything more from this car, I'm amazed and I love this car.
I can feel the satisfaction through the text. I feel the same way!!!
93k isnt shit tho
Make another video at 100,000 miles
Plan on it sir!!!
You really take forever to get to the point.
Yea man sorry I go right off the head thanks for watching though
@@iManual6peednah u good man😂. I’m looking to buy a 2024 gr86 premium and this right turn shit is scaring me man. once I break in the car can I drive it spiritedly or nah😭. still debating whether I should even pull the trigger on the car now based on what I saw on Reddit
@@parvaparikh1576 are you going track this car?
@@iManual6peed no man
@@parvaparikh1576 Than buy the car I can guarantee you won’t have any issues with this car at all
What is your phone mount?
I posted the link in the description.