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Agreed the ease of maintenance definitely played a factor in this list lol

@@everythingmainecooncat4938 true it does. Honestly I though they should have made a GT trim that resembles the premium interior of the Mazda 3. That would have been a breath of fresh air. But I agree can’t go wrong with either one.

I get what you mean but here is an example. It took me 2 hours to mod my WRX. It really wasn’t that difficult at all and now I make over 330hp. I believe if your mod literally changes the way your car behaves than it’s heavily modified if not than it’s minor.

I completely agree with you!!! That is similar to oil starvation issue.

hit up the reddit post lol people hate on this car something serious lol that's what made me make this video. I am trying to defend it.

@@owlauxGR looking it up now!! I appreciate the feedback!

@@EligosIV you and I both!!! I don’t see myself getting rid of this car 😂

@@gibsonisthename yes sir, we just have to encourage the masses to use the brain that they have and not let us think for them!!

@@gibsonisthename agreed, they will be happier when they can actually do it themselves.

@@H1ghMess I second that statement!! We said.

That surprised me the first time hearing in the States, you learn to drive manual by grinding experience points. "Wait! You guys really don't know how to drive a stick?!" The rest of the west, it is a separate licence catagory or you can't drive stick shift.

Well said sir. I always say it’s the feeling you get with the vehicle not just horsepower numbers. I will do my best to educate

@@rasundesilva6088 I agree most who have driven the car have different takes on it than others lol. I always say don’t knock it until you try it.

@@theanimeotaku2794 Nissan is currently in life support as we speak. The VQ is nice but far from perfect. It funny you mention Nissans VQ when they have a reputation of being a street takover car in the form of a infinity. Why would anyone go get a ran down z when they can get a far superior handling car with low miles? If you want a good example of a 370 you looking at a little over 20k. The new Z isn’t even selling because it’s on a 370z platform lol.😂

Na, I disagree lol the car power is perfect. If they add any more power they will price themselves out of the market and no one wants a 42k Miata. The fun factor is there the track ability is there just get some tires and brakes. The gearbox is one of the best in the business. You get all that for under 30k used. That’s one of the best values in the market for a sports car.

You got an awesome car no rebuttal there lol.

@iManual6peed thanks bro, the gr86 is also great. On my local touge stock for stock the gr86 is faster, the nd2 stock has horrible body roll that needs to be addressed. I hope the car treats you well 🙏

I felt cramped AF in the Miata, else I'd have bought it. The GR86/BRZ has the legroom. And it's a blast. Both are great cars tho NGL.

@jpf2159 im 5'10 and fit like a glove, I don't even have the seat as far back as it can go. I've owned a c6 for a few years so small interiors don't bother me. I have to admit getting in and out of the miata is a bit annoying though lol sometimes I hit my foot on the door sill. But I agree the gr86 wins in space 100%

@@geoff0707 Man good for you. I have a Mazda3 and the quality of its interior (and also that of the MIata) is hands down better than the GR86/BRZ. I so wish I didn't feel so cramped. Then again having that extra space in the Toyobaru for luggage and whatnot for trips is super nice.

@@bmcdonald7303 check the maintenance records and try going for a certified pre owned. As long as those are good I believe there is no issue with these cars.

@ thank you!

@@GameArmorGameplay S2k not fast?? I beg to differ lol you guys have to visit the track and see what a fast car really is. Most of the time its cars like 86, Miata, and S2k who out performs everyone else.

@@iManual6peed I guess 0-60 at 5.8 seconds isn't bad for an S2K. But what Toyota really needs is a fully built car in house. No more shared platforms. An AWD/RWD Celica would be welcomed.

@ keep an eye one them it is coming.

@@Tsoda6625 well i have had it for a few months and im still learning how to use it properly. I’ll keep tweaking the settings also it may be during the editing phase where the output frames aren’t linking properly. But thanks I’ll be looking out for the issues.

@@RabJ208 honestly I wouldn’t recommend wheel spacers if your not tracking the car heavy. I think some good tires and strut brace would be just fine for most drivers.

Yea I thought it would t bother me this much. But I may do some research and find an alternative in the spring.

The ways to get over the issues with the FA20/FA24 are already well documented. You wouldn't treat this car much different from an STI. Increase oil change intervals, add an air oil separator and oil cooler if necessary. Check oil levels frequently. Etc. The engine isn't unreliable, it's just high maintenance and is susceptible to failure if on the track without the proper prep.

This engine is one of the best engines out there. According to the stats Subaru is the most reliable car manufacturer as of today. I have had 0 issues after multiple track days and oil changes. I agree the failures that have happened are not a good look for this car, but those a few in numbers and only are happening on tracks. If you don’t plan on tracking this car it makes for a perfect daily for the price. I’m 43k miles in and over 10 track days and as long as you understand how to mitigate the shortcomings of the engine I believe you will be fine. Also there is an oil pan being made right now to fix the starvation issue. Refer to Varus engineering for this information.

@@nvirevolution2235 I appreciate the insight, you seem very knowledgable on this. Every engine has it's weaknesses. It's just not for me. I do have a friend that wanted one, I'll let him know.

@@iManual6peed Sorry for the late reply, also thanks for the information! I have a friend who really wanted one of these. I'll send the information his way.

@@POVShotgun I somewhat agree I have heard some horror stories from some, but in my experience I have been ok. Disclaimer I also perform most of my maintenance and solve my issues on my own if I have any, I have only dealt with them a couple of times.

@@joekagerer sir I agree, that’s one thing I continuously say in my videos is that most people who complain about hp never even use the one that they have in their Corolla that they will trade in to get this car.

Check out my playlist i have tutorials on how to drive manual.

Don’t sweat the learning too much. In 2 weeks you’ll be average & 1 month in it’ll be 2nd nature. I had zero experience when a bought a Fierro GT with f’n slanted H pattern. I stalled at least 10 x’s trying to get home. 1 month later I was fine. It is worth it for manual. The extra interactions and control of rev range make experience 10x’s better. I traded an Alfa Romeo for that 3rd pedal. You’ll love these cars.

@@wrx_wes lmao the best rubber on the market for that weather. I could understand you caution on this vehicle in that weather but with tires being as good as they are now I think you would have been ok.

I drove a ‘78 Camaro Z28 through several blizzards. May not have stayed straight but did stay in my lane. Ground clearance is real issue.

Well if a my rebutt the interior reasoning. The Cayman 718 has the exact same layout which is why Toyota & Subaru went with it I think. It’s simple yet effective. Having a IPAD on the dash wouldn’t have made it better. Road noise sure but what other car at this price point is significantly better? And you last point is fine, there are people who just can’t get use to a coupe but it’s nothing short of practical for one person I think it has just as much space as some compact sedans if you let the seats down. Overall I’m glad you got to try out the car, most people hate on it and never even drove it.

why are you getting rid of it if i may ask

Not sure what's the hate on the interior. I actually loved my gr86 interior, and the ride felt great to me. Only hate this car deserves is the engine issues and warranty problems.

Agreed this car has so much potential.

First, a turbocharger for this platform is 5k. So that would take you to about 37k if you bought a Base model new for around 32k or so. The Mustang eco boost is not something that is cross shopped with the GR86 because car enthusiasts would go for the real Mustang which is a GT or above. The problem with the ford is that it is significantly heavier than the 86 and doesn’t have the handling characteristics of the 86 at all. I would never advise to go for a dealer markup on any car whatsoever. Faster doesn’t mean better otherwise everyone would have Cameros and Mustangs and Miatas and 86s wouldn’t exist. The car only has one main flaw which has been documented and addressed.

​@@iManual6peed its 5K + an install . most the people buying these aren't the people manually installing turbo/oil cooler themselves. ecoboost is the worse of the class above ft gt/supra/etc but since you can get eco @ 30-32K its gotta be compared to gr86 and the like, which it significantly outperforms. handling feels like a cop out when its losing so bad everywhere else. they say car enthusiast i say overhyped. base to base its no match. premium to premium its even worse. mods to mods its just "why spend all that when you coulda just got a gt/supra even a corolla if we're going to the 40-45K range"

@ i disagree, the eco boost mustang is not even close to what a GR86 offers in terms of a driving experience lol. There is a reason they are never compared to each other in videos. No one cares about a v6 mustang as much as you think. No to mention the power to weight ratio. If you look all across TH-cam right now you will see among the best driving cars the GR86 is always near the top.

It's a sports car. Just because it doesn't have 300+HP doesn't change that. If you only care about straightline speed (which is the only real point you brought up) then there are many better options then the 86/BRZ. This car is the only option for a car with the following config: FR, NA, manual, lightweight, coupe. The only other option with those requirements is the Miata, which I am much too tall for and also has no storage space to speak of. Yes the mustang is faster but you sacrifice weight, cornering, and an NA engine by chasing that. Going boosted defeats the point of this car. Which is to provide cornering performance and reward high skilled use of the basics (throttle, brake, and steering control).

@@nvirevolution2235 interior from 2009 , no reliability out of that engine at all , slower (significantly) and less room than almost all competitors in its class 35K. Like i said the only point people bring up is handling and if they just came out and said "this car is worse in every way but hey you might like turning in it" no one would buy it. the hype for this car basically just scams a bunch of random people into getting a really bad car. i almost bought one and after a test drive i realized how absolutely insane i was being thinking that car was worth it over anything else i could get.

I agree with that whole heartedly.

Man comeon 20mpg for that kinda speed does really feel underpowered. It screams so much for what it drives.

@@faikerdogan2802 on my worst day I get like 25mpg, and also keep in mind that just because you may drive it one way that may seem slow doesn’t mean others can’t be way faster in it. This car shows you the driver you are and where your weaknesses are.

Naw. I love mine to death but after driving it for over a year modified, the lack of power gets old quicks. Granted I’m stationed in NM so higher elevation to what I’m used to and the lack of curvy roads here just makes the car feel like it’s begging for a turbo which is what I’m probably gonna do just to get around 300hp. But in the backroads yea this car is perfect just not might be perfect for everyone depending on where they live.

Real car enthusiast here it's underpowered ngl

I always tell people if they wanted an STI go get a GR Corolla lol I drove the GR Corolla and I agree it’s definitely a hell of an experience. I would like for you to let me know once your able to pick that up. I would like to know your experience with it!!!

So idk how much of it was driving style. But I found that with the ts or gr stabilizer panel, installed to flush [ you aren’t supposed to as it will scrub your trunk] I got 32-34 mpg. Now that I have it sitting where it’s supposed to bc.. it scrubbed my trunk… I’m getting around 28-29 again. So definitely some improvement can be made in the mpg department with a little aero experimenting.

Nothing wrong with nitpicking for what you want, but with what it offers out the box to me is amazing!!! especially if you can grab this for under 30k slightly used.

@@walterhankin46 34mpg??? wow man thats great my best is 29 lol

I’ve seen BRZs with 35k miles for $24k. 86s are about $2k, not sure why probably just the styling.

@MonkeyPower55 could be the dealer they both should be around 25 to 28 used I think.

Glad to hear the great experiences

Exactly!

@@kvngrichard6179 rooting for ya!!