$7000 Sled Overheated And Shut Off. Will It Run Again?
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- I buy a 2012 Yamaha Apex sled that overheated and shut off. Let's fix it? #Yamaha, #Apex, #Fix,
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Man that starter wins the champion of the year Mortske award!!
My deepest condolences to the starter’s family.
No starters were harmed in the making of this video. Thanks for being just plain honest about what you are doing and discovering.
That starter............I mean I have never.............I'm just speechless.
@BreatheScotland It's freezing there... so I'm cheering for the starter! Go starter!
👍@@timewa851
Holy cow man! You should know with all the machines you work on if it doesn’t crank in a few revolutions something is wrong
Exactly. All of that could have cost him a starter🤦♂️🤷♂️
When it cranked for a few rotations I was like Ok, look at something else, cooking the starter does not help anything.
the starter will have been extreme hot; a miracle that he survived!
That starter is a champ. I honestly can't believe it survived all the abuse. Seriously dude take it easy. More starter burning or endless kickstarts won't make it run if there's other issues like bad spark plugs. This is mechanics 101, you're going to ruin good machines that way
The hole engine was cooked 😂😂. Doesn't matter the starter was cooked long before he got it.
@@jerrywilcox9890 Obviously not. It is still working. 🙄
@ThaFailedMusician no shit it's still working lol.never said it wasn't hahaha.
@ThaFailedMusician it doesn't matter how long he used the starter.but before long it won't be.it will be going out.
Man, your runnin a master class on how to burn up a starter!!!
the "knock sensor" i think is more likely an oil pressure switch. Hence why there is oil that is under pressure at that location. Knock sensors just sit in a metal chunk of block sensing pre-detornation knocks. That could be because of bad gas or excessive temperatures causing the gas to ignite at the wrong moment. (remember your coolant was super low, overheat and fuel was detonating wrong and the computer caught all that crap red-handed.)
Over heating is an under statement. It's hard to believe a machine that cost what this machine cost doesn't have an overheating shutdown before it gets so hot it melts plastic.
They do but only at idle I believe, not when they're running!
Even all newer outboards have them. They will idle , but that's it until they cool off.
An overheating shutdown is also a system that can fail. Remember what happened to Apollo 13, the overheating cutoff switch failed to activate during tank testing because it was not rated to operate properly at all possible supply voltages.
It has a temp light, operator is responsable to shut of sled when lights come on, at some point rider needs to use common sense and not destroy his sled.
@@4knanapapa sounds logical but for snomobilers all eyes are on the trail or you go off the trail you go. My Nytro shuts off on it's own when left to sit and idle and overheat on it's own. But it doesn't shut down at the first over heat light when I am riding. When it does come on (and I notice it), I typically slow down and ride off trail a bit in search of loose snow which works fine every time. But during an intense trail ride I can definitely believe that light can be easily overlooked.
I live in tennessee and we just got dumped on by snow the other day. Wish I had a sled to crank around on this week! Kinda miss snowmobiling, snowboarding, and ice fishing. Awesome video as always bro! Keep up the awesome work!
Ol' Joe, marketing genius. Snowstorms sweeping across the country and he is fixing a snowmobile, BRILLIANT. Great video bud, keep it up
Wait, what guy reads the manual? Man Law violation
Quick note. Knock sensors can’t leak oil. :-). They measure a for a sharp knock throughout the engine block. They are normally a piezoelectric device. More vibration generates a high voltage signal. The computer knows cam and crank position as well as when spark is fired. So a knock signal larger than normal combustion near TDC or before the next spark event indicates which cylinder was knocking. Looks to me you need two sensors.
Those engines are some of the best ever. Great power at 10,000 RPM and reliable at the same time. And the sound is incredible!
My current RX1 I got for $1k. Wouldn’t start. Owner claimed it had a new solenoid and battery. Got it home and found some carb floats were stuck and filled the crankcase with oil and gas mix. Rebuilt the carbs, changed the oil and bought a new battery. Run like new ever since. Great sled it’s become a keeper. But I would replace it for an Apex like yours!
Yeah it was the oil pressure sensor not the knock sensor
@@2vintage I often reply to videos while I’m watching them. Bad habit. I’m anal retentive due to my career which I’m retired from. So I have plenty of time to nit pick TH-cam videos!
I see I'm not the only one seriously impressed with that starter
Feel free to skip from about 11:30 until the 19:00 mark if you don't want to go absolutely crazy with starter noises. 😆
Thanks boss!
Yea, that was painfull
That red light isn't for plug fouling, its the coolant temp light. You're supposed to let the coolant temp warm up before you ride it. It's not a 2 stroke. Constant throttle not constantly blipping it.
Last year I was thinking to myself “Would be nice if he worked on some older newer sleds like 2000’s and up since those ones are more common and have more technology to learn how to diagnose and fix”
But looks like you’re already on it.
Keep the content coming
Thanks
That's probably the fastest machine in your garage, be careful, we want you to fix more machines, really enjoy your videos, you gave me the ambition to go work on my arctic cat F7 Snow Pro . Thanks 👍
It is amazing the engine was not destroyed by the previous owner being so overheated wise. You got lucky!
That starter is a champ. I honestly can't believe it survived all the abuse. Seriously dude take it easy. More starter burning or endless kickstarts won't make it run if there's other issues like bad spark plugs. This is mechanics 101, you're going to ruin good machines that way
I think you´re just jealous he got so good sled for that cheap..😅😛
It's his he can do what he wants.who are you to tell him what to do 😂😂😂.
Lol I'm not telling him what to do, of course it's his. I'm offering constructive criticism. If you wreck a good machine doing stuff like that, it's hard to make money.
😂😂😂😂
Shut up jerry. Moronic stance. @jerrywilcox9890
I hope there’s a part three. I wanna see it rip on your land! It sure sounds mean and nasty.
Hopefully the snow sets up better. Here it is too fresh and fluffy. If he can find some hard pack next time, he'll definitely lift the skis and fly vs all the track spin we are seeing here. Motor sounds like an angry bee -sweet and powerful.
You should put the retainer back in your plug socket instead of dropping plugs down into the engine like that. It could alter the plug gap just saying. But great video as always Joe
You did just fine until you said "just saying "
It adds nothing to your point.
Well I said that so people don't think I'm trying to come across the wrong way or like a know-it-all because that's not the case..
FRESH OIL AND ANTI FREEZE ALSO ? guess i was reading your mind! not surprised how fast it is either ... A BEAST!
You never want to put antiseize on the plug boots. Antiseize has metal particles in it. Will cause misfires. Antiseize is used on the spark plug threads.
Ya and swell the boots
He used dyelectric grease. Not anti seize.
@@notjoecheez1 He used antiseize it on the boot.. On the threads and on the tip of the plug he used dyeelectric.. Although you should never lubricate plug threads..
yep, i saw that too, got it backwards.
@@notjoecheez1 it was copper based anti-seize where a trace of dielectric should go, also on the ceramic outer plug portion. Not on the actual threaded ends.
kind of backwards. It's to keep the rubber coil boots from setting up on the insulator bodies....
I absolutely love your videos... no annoying background music
And your calm voice is so soothing 😂
Also .. i have never seen anyone in there right mind put in sparkplugs the way you do ! Dont drop them in there use the sparkplug key ! Thats the reason it wouldn't start ! You smashed the electrode
Really? His voice is the most annoying part of the videos.
When these machines are running properly they're absolutely amazing, surprisingly nimbly and lighting fast
when you first pulled that sensor due to leak i was thinking that looked like an oil pressure switch, not knock sensor but i don't know much about those sleds. also..... i don't know who makes starters for yamaha but kudos to them for making a stout starter cuz you were giving that starter hell!
I think the stale fuel was not helping trying to start it,I know if i leave my gsxr1000 over winter the stale fuel varnishes the injectors and it can be a pig to start until i put fresh fuel in. GREAT MACHINE you got there looks like a lot of fun.
This thing must've gotten lava hot for all these components to melt like they did. Even the dipstick, which was separate from the engine itself, was goo. Can't wait to see how it ends with this beast, but I wouldn't hold my breath because all of these melted components can't be a good sign for the engine (and subsequently the one low cylinder). I'm hoping there's no damage to the wiring harness because judging by how hot it got, it'd be a miracle if it's still 💯% intact. Good luck in advance!
Love your channel bro! Keep at it!
Wow! That’s one helluva starter. Thought for sure it was going to fry.
That really is a strong starter ran down 2 jump packs holy poop chutes dude...
Jeez, what a battery. I have never heard anyone grind a starter like this.
Hi from Randy in Chattanooga, Tennessee. Not having an oil pressure sensor in there won’t stop you from having oil pressure. It just won’t show it. P S: Love your channel. I’m subscribing RIGHT NOW!
Always remember on most single wire sensors of any kind. Use the housing as a ground. You should use liquid thread sealant to seal threads not Teflon tape, which will insulate the ground causing issues.
This comment is why I’m here in the comment section could possibly be the reason for the code?
100%
Keep em coming Joe...it's my entertainment!
Hello Joe I've been missing a little bit of TH-cam lately as I had a 11 day stay in the hospital with aneurysms and other problems in my left leg that came on suddenly that led to an 8-hour surgery. I can tell you I miss lots of TH-cam especially your Channel. Although we don't always agree on everything that is done but all in all you're a pretty good Joe anyway my friend I just wanted to say hello and tell you that I am enjoying your video immensely
She sounds like an animal when you hit the throttle. What a score mate! Enjoy your sled and cannot wait until I hear this ripping.
Holy Cow, that starter😳😳
I had an 03 RX1, crazy fast!! Mine was carbed, would’ve rather had FI.
Fast but HEAVY. Great for lake runs and packed trails. If you go off trail in any depth, walk away and come back in the spring- haha.
My apex weighs less than a 2024 Polaris xc s4 everyone thinks Yamaha is heavy. But there are new sleds out there that weigh more. But no one mentions them. Just saying.
@tomreynolds5767 lmao! Yep my sleds no feather either
I’ve fowled plugs in my apex doing 1 minute of what you did for a week ! I’m surprised you didn’t know,,, Yamaha’s in older Apex’s fowl so easily
Great Buy, good looking sled/snowmachine. Thank you for another great video with lots of learning moments. Great riding. Keep up the hard work, subs up, views up
Fantastic work. Bravo for not giving up on it! As hot as the motor got, I'm surprised more sensors were not damaged. Thank you for sharing another great video. Safe travels. Cheers.
As a general rule, knock sensors are single wire and thread into a hole that does NOT go into any passage but bottoms out somewhere in the side of the blocks water jacket, without contacting coolant, oil or anything else except the block. I believe yours is just above and to the left of the oil pressure sensor looking front to back. Very low coolant can trigger the knock sensor because A) The engine will knock when hot or with bad fuel due to multiple combustions colliding in the cylinder (it's hot) and or B) because the knock sensor is essentially screwed into a hollow drum i.e. the coolant dampens the knock by filling the drum. Naturally a rod knock will trigger the knock sensor as well.
What a kick-ass deal and that's a beautiful sled
I enjoy the "previously on 2vintage" vibes this video gives off.
As soon as you put the black old plugs in I said wait for the new plugs. The old plugs were black and shiny. Means excess oil or fuel. My dad was a mechanic and he showed me that if there is fouling, pull the plugs out and turn the engine over. Heat the plugs up and re-install. Start as soon as possible.
To really get the antifreeze burped out, raise the front of the sled 45 degrees and continue to add until full. The coolant lines typically go all the way back above the track. These 4 bangers are fast.
I wrote it on the previous video of this machine, if it got that hot like the oil was cooking chances other parts are hit hard too.
Like valves cam and Rod and crankshaft and all bearings or oil pump and everything engine-related took a hit.
For a reliable machine, you should take the engine apart and check every piece for heat damage.
Now you could have a machine that breaks down every time you take it for a spin.
There is always a part that fails later on due to extensive overheating, this was a severe overheating.
I wouldn't trust that engine .
You probably figured it out but the knock sensor is between the middle 2 cyl about 5 inches from your oil pressure sensor. Replace it. Put the nose up on a snow bank and pop the coolant cap to burp the system. Don't ride until you clear all the codes. The sled will shut off if it doesn't see oil pressure that is the code 30 you mentioned. You stole the sled, even if #1 is a little low on compression, run the yamaha ring free for a few tanks and you may get lucky. What was that ticking when it was first outside? That is how they are supposed to start, don't crank longer then 20 seconds, swap the plugs immediately. Have fun!
next video, joe replaces a starter on the sled, lol. Also, knock sensors dont have holes in them for oil to pass through, that is a low oil pressure sensor, knock sensors are piezo type sensors that sense a knock or ping by sensing a pulsation or pressure wave through the block. the knock sensor would have been the sensor located above the oil pressure sensor screwed into the block. Joe you aren't stupid, you can certainly fix it, no doubt about that, sometimes( well most times) internet searches can lead you on a wild goose chase, lol. I used to be a yamaha mechanic, and their sleds are a nightmare to work on.
Wow, nice work Joe, I think I'll just keep my 570F Fan forever so I don't have to commit suicide trying to fix a 4 stroke!
luckily you rarely have to fix these 4 strokes.
Bro, I love watching your videos. After you get things completely sorted out, please do a top speed run with it on some local lake, if fully frozen. 😂
god bless your persistence and your starter
great job Joe! ya make sure u replace both sensors, or your looking for allot of trouble. these machines are really fast, but can be a pain to fix I hear. check out some vids before venturing too far. I've seen some where guys go crazy with them.....to be young again!
Looks like a survivor Joe, good bring back! Check the rest of the studs for any that are loose or have cracked washers so it doesn't go into meltdown again. Also on that oil dipstick some of them have different levels whether they have reverse or not, one side is reverse and the other is non-reverse level. Those are cool sleds but holy cow just to do basic oil and filter change or a battery swap requires quite a bit of disassembly!
yeah it requires a lot of work! Not easy!
Great job getting that beautiful ski up and running. I really was shocked you didn't check the coolant before even firing that thing for the first time. Remember it did overheat lol. Other than that killer deal.
knock sensor will be near the manifold. I can tell how excited you are.. LOL I would want to ride the 1000 too, they are so fun. When you get it going and feel comfortable it will be so rewarding. Check or change all the sensors. More than likely all of them melted. Most are only rated for a certain heat level, they are supposed to fail in the event of overheat. That way you get all these codes and it stops a person from mechanical damage. Fail points are engineered into everything with a gas motor. Your gonna want to put a longer track on it for sure. For the price I would add a long track. Good Score man!!
These thing fowl plugs really easy if don't let warm up before light goes out on dash. If engine healthy should just light right off. Disconnect injectors and clear cylinders
dont shut of till warm up light goes off or touch throttle at all
think what you think is knock sensor is actual oil pressure. Knock sensor usually in a blind hole
As you found out as well when warm up light is on engine throttle is limited, can back fire etc unil light goes out.
These sleds will last forever if looked after. I have 32,000 kms on mine. Wish i had power steering like yours. Good score !
Great Video
If you are going to sell it I hope you do very well with it. The sound is fantastic, can't help wondering if that is a YZF1000 engine or similar. What a hassle to get things apart though. Garage costs for repairs must be sky high as I mentioned before. 100mph ? On the snow ? Wow ! Well done that was great to watch, thanks :)
Ps a old plumber's trick was to put ptfe tape on like you did But put more around the tapering end with grease with heat forms a gasket perfect water oil tight 👌
buy up all the yamahas , they are leaving the game after this year. stick that one in the 2vintage museum. shes a collector now. they are fast as anything out there. its a trail beast thou!! have fun with it joe.
The starter of the year award, cant being that didn't cook. Whoa. Good to see nothing major as of yet. Nice looking sled and looks like a very nice score. You got so many toys, garage is full. And outside too. Dang, i spotted a new atv cover on the atv. Very nice.
BROVO young man
Looking over your yard (completely plowed) it reminded me of the first few snow storms I went through after getting a ride-on snowblower! I ran out of snow to blow. Ha Ha
Ive got to give it to you on this one!!! Good work! This one would have pissed me off!
That’s awesome!! When I saw this snowmobile in the end of the Suzuki 450 rebuild I said “man he needs to get that thing running with all that snow”. Must of had the same thoughts…lol. That thing looks fun as hell. I rode my friends once waaay back when I was abt 13-14, & haven’t been on one since. Todays sleds look like sooo much fun. Nice job getting that thing figured out. Now you can take Vinny for a ride sittin in front of you
Great video you have so much more patience then i do enjoy you video Great job 👍🇺🇸
New plugs at the start of every riding season that’s what I do.
Great machines. I have had 2 of them. They are bullet proof!!
Use the parking brake if it works.
I normally pull the belt. Just don’t rev it hard enough go close the primary hard.
Looks like an engineers wet dream the way that motor is stuffed in there. Good luck dude.
I recommend never touching the throttle when starting as the engine is fuel injected. Many folks after it does start foul plugs if you mess with throttle before the cold light goes off. nice work getting it back running!
Ok this was from a to be continued episode. No wonder it looks familiar. Cheers! 🍻
This format is so helpful
congratulations on your buy.
That’s a keeper at that price you’ll never find another one at that price and Yamaha is done making snowmobiles in 2025 so you got a gem. I’m a ski doo guy and if I can an older Yamaha I’m grabbing it just to have. 👍👍👍👍🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦
Hey brother, I've noticed in a couple of videos that you're leaving the outboards in the up position on the boats. You should always leave them in the down position in freezing weather. Water will collect in the foot through the exhaust and freeze and bust the foot. Hopefully it's not too late! Just an FYI.
Hope he sees your comment before it's to late good eye brother
Good to know, ill have to keep this in mind
Most people I know that have outboards that keep them in the up position make sure there is no water inside when they store them so if that has been done there shouldn't be a problem
@@186scott It doesn't matter if you drain them. If you leave them up and out in the weather and it rains it goes down the exhaust and collects in the foot where it can then freeze and bust but, to be honest, I don't know that much about boats. I grew up on the largest man-made lake east of the Mississippi, got my first boat when I was 13 and still own one to this day at 60, worked at a marina pumping gas from 13 to 16, drove a marine forklift at a dry dock storge and hauled 35 ft boats around as well as worked on them as a profession for 2 years so, it makes perfect sense to leave an OB or the outdrive of an IO up and take a chance on it freezing rather than put it in the down position and be absolutely sure it doesn't freeze. That's what all my friends do. Your friends are probably smarter than mine. I don't know what I was thinking trying to give some friendly advice to someone and possibly save them some time and money...My Bad! But hey! It'll make great content! 😏
@@ThaFailedMusician not trying to start anything and I am sure like me a few others are surprised by another way of storing them and I do completely understand your way and there are multiple way to skin a cat and I am sure there will be others that agree with you and agree with what I said
I was about to comment that the "knock sensor" looked an awful lot like an oil pressure sensor, then you found it.🙂
You got lucky Joe great score have fun with it be safe bud
Good deal! I am going to guess that the knock sensor and the oil pressure sensor got hot and failed just like the coils and plugs. A similar thing happened to my wife's Toyota Matrix years ago; the head gasket blew on a long trip and she continued to drive it until the engine overheated so much it lost compression. I got a donor engine and swapped it in but I stupidly used the coil packs and plugs from the wrecked engine causing the used engine to not run well at all. My advice is that anything that could have failed from overheating is suspect. Maybe a leakdown test would be good to check the head gasket since you are having some things happening with the cooling system.
Been looking forward to this one .
Great job! U r fearless , removing 30 things to fix the problem without losing anything?
Sound like a yamaha fazer engine naughty machine that and looks amazing what an absolute bargain another great video keep them coming joe take care u and your family 👍👊
Great video, I like you are cutting short the intro to your basic diagnostics, but would like the voice over explaining what and why. I also look at snowmobiles as the biggest waste of money. Paying $7k in 2012 is like 12k today to go play in the snow 2-3x a year? I would rent one instead. Kinda like jet skis, easier to haul than a snowmobile, but i have had three friends rupture tendons and ACL tears trying to get back on them in the water. I will stick to motorcycles and ATV’s
This has been a terrible winter so far in wi for sledding, The grass is barely covered around me and I'm not that far away from Joe's location. Between the high cost of new sleds and declining snow condition its been killing the sport for 50 years.
Snomobiling can be much more than 2 - 3 rides playing in the snow. With hundred to thousands of miles of trails it becomes a destination thing, ice fishing, to a nice restaurant, or an overnight at a hotel etc -a couple of hundred miles per ride at times and a very social thing to do when you all have sleds. I do a yearly three day ride from Manitoba to Minnesota with a group of friends and it's a highlight experience every time. But those Jet skis are more like you are saying, around and around in circles gets boring pretty quick from what I see.
That engine and exhaust sound great
Knock sensorseem to be above oil sensor on the left with the hose ,bolted nearly horizontally ,it's in the cylinder wall/engine block. 31:41
hi, great video. this thing is flying.
Awesome bro. You got a hella deal on that sled. I'd def hang on to it beings Yamaha does not use their inline 4 cylinder in their snow sleds anymore that is basically an older version of the R1 motor and because as of 2025 Yamaha will not be producing snow sleds anymore.
Hey Joe on that APEX's when you start them up on the display there's a red light that comes on after you start it. When the red light goes out then your good to turn it off or your foul plugs all day long on that machine.
Nevermind I seen you figured that one out already... Good job. Watch Pete over on Redneck and Dirty Hands he's really good with them sleds and explains a lot on why they fail and how to prevent them. Hope it helps
He says that in the video
@@billhenry7833 good to see you watched Joe's video all the way threw
Nice machine now! What a score!
Man that runs great wish I could find a deal like that good job
Great show man
Relax fellas....... just keep turning it over, and it will fix itself. LOL I like the channel, keep up the good work!
There goes your driveway and lawn with the studs. Lol. Ck out your chain case and change the oil. Glad you got it going.
You have to love that reverse
I guess You really lucked out . Nice machine for racing for sure.
That is death on a track stay safe out there?😂take it steady bigman?Good job on the machine,from BIGMICK IN THE UK 🇬🇧 without snow yet
Hope you got lots of money for belts.
Keep doing that ricky racer throttle blipping, the shops love to sell you belts
No kidding, wow
Dont put Dielectric Grease on the electrode part of a spark plug. The grease is a insulating grease not conductive. You only want to put it on the porcelain part
A tip for you. When working on snowmobiles, take the belt off before trying to start them. Your wall and sled may thank you for it
Or get a stand to get the track off the floor, but do something.
Like previously said - lift off the track. Taking off belt can be bad idea - sudden rev will damage the primary clutch by smashing sheaves without belt.
Don’t rev up a sled without a belt on. You’ll wreck the primary
On sensors you can check the ohms with a simple voltage tester. All sensors are is resistance... too much or too little and the sensor is bad. I always test them and can check with spec sheets to see what the range should be. If there isn't info I just buy a new sensor and test it before I put it in and note it in the manual so I, or the next guy has it for referance. I hope that makes sense. TEST THE SENSORS TO SEE IF THEY ARE GOOD OR BAD WHEN YOU TAKE THEM OUT OR SEE A CODE! It will save you so many headaches.