I Spent 60 Hours Rebuilding This Broken UTV. Will It Run?
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- I buy an Odes Dominator 800 UTV and rebuild the entire engine. Will it start after the rebuild? #Odes, #800cc #sidebyside,
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I just wanted to say is I went to school for small and marine engines for half a year until the class was closed due to lack of students. Anyway, I have to say I've learned more watching a half dozen of your youtube videos then I did in the crappy class. Thank you. I really enjoy it.
I went to tech school for automotive years ago and they were so far behind the times.What was taught was a joke and we were working on rear wheel drive vehicles and never touched a front wheel drive.I also learn more from youtube than I did in class.I learned from hands on only whether my time in a small engine shop or automotive.
What a frustrating set of circumstances with that rig! All I can say is that for you these basket-case jobs just mean another awesome video which I appreciate even more than the easy jobs. Good thing nothing ever seems to faze you! Thank you for all the great content! Super enjoyable and informative!
All the time you devoted to that and now overheating and you didn't swear!..may the force be with you Luke!
Maybe the thermostat is stuck closed. Maybe it overheated before, and that ruined that gear. Great job and good you didn't give up.
was thinking the same.
Agreed
Also keep in mind to fill the coolant system then warm it up with the radiator cap off then fill more as needed once flow starts.
Coolant: was the system blead? Maybe too much air in the system and fan not working? Agree with the stuck thermostat theory too. Armchair mechanics here...😂
It's a shame the cooling system isn't working. However, You are keeping your cool very well. Part 3 for the 4x4😊
Man you’ve gotta have so much not only technical knowledge, but the patience of Jobe to work on these machines.
Didn't see where you bled the cooling system. I know on the Yamaha Rhino there are two places to bleed on the top of the engine where the coolant goes in and on the bottom at the water pump. For the rhino you have to raise the front so that the top of the radiator is higher than the top of the engine. If you haven't bled at the pump, air in the pump will not allow it to pump coolant at all.
I thought this also.
@@OldTimerGarden I'm not sure about this thing, but most Can-ams bleed pretty well without having to open the valves. On a Can-am, they're on the coolant elbows where they join onto the head.
I had an eagle premiere that was like that. Any French connection?
Good point, I read somewhere about bleeding to system.
Hey Joe, might check to see if you have an air bubble trapped in the cooling system. Look for an air bleeder. My dad’s did the same thing after installing a heater. Took us forever to get the air out.
take the radiator cap off and start it up and lit circulate till you gat all the air out.
Love seeing the engine out on the workbench, my old back twinges watching you bend and twist reaching things. Great learning moments, keep up the hard work
I can't believe you didn't put anti-seize on the primary clutch shaft after what you went through trying to remove that. That Odes doesn't look too difficult to work on, looks very similar to the Yamaha Rhino set up. I have worked on a few makes of UTV's, the absolute worse and suggest you run if you find one, is the Honda MUV. I literally had to cut off a few brackets just to pull the heads, then re-weld the brackets back on. It's like Honda put the motor in and then started welding brackets on top of the motor. Known issue on the Honda MUV is the cam lobes wearing out and a serious pain to do that job. For your overheating, I would verify if your Odes has a thermostat as the later Rhinos do. Also, there is some kind of whining noise going on and it sounds like the transmission as the noise is while your rolling. Anyways, I commend your efforts.
Reason there hard to get off lol.someone that says they work on them should know full well you can't put anything on the shaft lol.
@jerrywilcox9890 well, been doing that on primaries now for over 15 years and not one fell off and that's using an impact to put the bolt or nut back on. Tolerance is so high that most of it gets pushed off the shaft, in turn it also seals the shaft from ever getting corrosion or rust on it. Bolt or nut will never back off as the rotation of the primary is opposite as long as you tighten the crap out of it. Or torque it to spec if you wish. Works for me, so I'll keep doing it. You can struggle on your setups.
Hey Joe, you show amazing patience here. I agree with all the comments on bleeding the cooling system, might be an air bubble trapped. Also, your secondary can be shimmed or de shimmed, the belt should not be spinning at idle, that will help shift between gears and provide less take off jerk. Scotch brite those sheeves and she'll grip the belt better as well.
You must hate that thing by now . Brilliant channel 👍🏻
Very impressed with your commitment - I'd have put a match to it ages ago!! My guess is the thermostat is jammed shut (if it has one) as the water pump was spinning freely when you tested it.
Nice work! Keep following your gut, possible stuck thermostat, or something simple like air in the system. I’m very impressed with your attention to detail. I’ve never worked on these small engines, mostly auto and diesel stuff. You have earned my subscription. Can’t wait to see the fix.
I would say it’s the water pump gear. There is nothing to keep it from sliding inward and disengaging. That’s what probably chewed up the oil pump gear to begin with.
There's supposed to be washers behind that gear I seen that also same with the all the gears the thrust washers are all missing
Could be you need to burp the cooling system might be an air pocket.
This has nothing to do with the overheating problem (thermostat if you're lucky). But at around the 19:00 mark I think I understood you needed to set the intake valves at .005 to .009 and then you set them at .003
I heard that too.
.05 mm is what he said, then he used English feeler gauges. .05 mm is .002 in English.
Excellent job, Joe! Sure did enjoy the whole video series on this one, thanks for sharing it with all of us!
I'd be looking for a thermostat stuck shut if you aren't circulating coolant, if there's one in the system.
No aftermarket metal gears??
Even not magnetic, will clean up the seats! Just a tip. Don't horse em but gently lap them to clean em up. Great vid, I don't ever want to see one of those in here. Do work on Can Ams a lot.
I think other than your 700xx missing parts, this has to be your most difficult task yet. You certainly show great restraint and patience with these machines. Good job.
yeah i would have drivin it into the lake by now lol
You really have my respect for bringing this UTV back to life ❤️ 👊👊
Make sure there is no air in the system first before tearing it apart. Sxs’s can be a pain to bleed
Almost there Joe! Disconnect the hot line and make sure you got flow, there isn't much on a utv. If there is flow then an air bubble or pocket can inhibit flow, the weak pumps will just try to compress the air also check your thermostat. If no flow, hey you got experience pulling the engine for water pump work!
Great work there Joe,looked like a serious mission fiddling with the engine and getting it back and hooked up!Very interesting to watch,gg brother!👌👊🦾🦾🦾
Note to self....NEVER buy an Odes side by side!! Maybe that's why the previous owner finally dumped it on somebody else.
I had a similar problem with a Kubota UTV overheating. Removed the thermostat and it still overheated and was not circulating coolant. Ended up being the water pump cavitated. Took thermostat housing back off and filled pump housing with water and it was good to go..
Got it humming along, great job. Lots of learning moments
So awesome to see this far man! Followed the whole journey, and definitely a labor of love. But you're nailing it. Now that you're intimate with the internals, I would definitely hold onto this and turn it into yours for the long haul.
Intimate..really?
@@rikmiles6531not sure why you're having issue with that word. But yes, intimate. Very close contact, association, or familiarity. Seems to accurately describe the situation. Sorry if that bothers you.
That ground is one of your main body grounds to your wiring harness relays. Checkout the impeller woodruff key and impeller blade on that part of it. That starter solenoid could be going out on that also. Thae other is check your thermostats on the upper and lower lines for proper coolant Flow. And 180° degrees test them in boiling hot water.
Great project. A time of year in the upper midwest (Minnesota) when many of us are considering a UTV for plowing. Love the engine out videos.
🤔Somebody needs a Japanese Mini-Truck - only 660 cc engine
2V, with the original retail on these machines being so really high the one you have is going to be a true bargain when sorted out! Cool video!
Try a rebleed of cooling system, also check the thermostat
Hey Joe. Keep up the great work on the videos. Fun to watch and learn. I have a Bennche Tboss utv, and love it. Mine started overheating, and I noticed the fan wasn't turning on. I replaced the fan relay sensor. $14 part and a 10 minute job. Not sure if that brand/year has one, and I couldn't tell if your fan was running when it overheated. Good luck!
Im sure you love working on this utv🤣
😊Another chance to enjoy a video it’s like a Ford -[fix or repair daily] sell it off quickly once you get it completed.😊😊😊
I noticed the inside where you took the oil pump out has been rubbing hard metal to metal. It shouldn’t be that way. The oil pump could have bound up against the inside of that case.
It almost looks like the top left part of that surface was smashed, probably where it contracted and stuck when it destroyed the gear? 3:03
Always fun to watch you work, Joe. Thanks!
I really like this channel. 357k subs is impressive. I'd like to know more about Joe. Is he self taught or did he go to school to learn this stuff? Is he doing this full time? I'd love to see him do al live stream Q and A.
well done for taking this on , a big job and so close to checking the water pump! ! personally i wouldn't touch one they look a mess. should fetch good money once its sorted
Joe, you did a great job rebuilding !two cooling issues with that engine. It has to be bled by water pump or it get a bubble and cavitates. The temperature sensor on radiator goes bad and prevents fans from running also. Good luck... clutch seems a bit jerky , could need some attention. Otherwise nicely done !
I found it hard to believe that you were lost without marks showing TDC. You are smart enough to figure out when piston is at the top and the stater is at on the flywheel. Maybe I'm just old school but looking at the valves open and closing . Oh nevermind, I just hope you always have marks to go by. Nice job now drive by those guys that sold it to you.
Thanks for sharing
Becarful with the clutch bolts. On can am maverick and renegades the bolts are 1 time use. Meaning they stretch when tightening. Means you have to replace the bolt with a new one.
Yes can am does recommend replacing the clutch bolt each time but i have used them twice and had no problems so far. They also have a torque setting then and angle in degrees from torque setting.😊
I dont like and comment often enough, usually I watch your videos while I'm not logged in on a different device. But I'll try harder. You do a great job. And I do anhoy watching. I've wanted to suggest a few things and often learn things. Keep up the good work!
Enjoy*
Joe I wasn't feeling well until you released this new video!😂😮😅
Allan in Columbia, SC
24:37 no engine hoist needed just a strong back and arms 😂. Great work.
You could have an air bubble in the cooling system. I have had a over heating problem with these machines and found there was an air bubble on the bottom side of the thermostat. You may have to bleed the system.
Well it’s really frustrating but keep up the good work Joe. Worth trying the “easy” stuff like checking the radiation for blockages, removing the thermostat, before checking the water pump impeller because I’m pretty sure that requires the engine to be out but maybe you can reach it from underneath. I’m willing to bet the impeller is plastic too and has melted, too bad they’re using so much plastic on engine internals.
I’d check the thermostat probably stuck closed if u didn’t replace it from when u got it love the content brotha 🤘
I would love to have your knowledge working on these! I rebuilt the top end of my Polaris Sportsman 500ho and was shocked when it ran afterwards! Put a hammer in my hand and I can build most anything but I’m NOT a mechanic. Love watching your videos.
Looked like you set intake and exhaust the same on cylinder 1.? Gonna sucj getting it in. Need an over head hoist or winch, makes life easier with those sxs. Good job Joe!
You did good for no Manuel to follow I’m impressed good job 👍
Hi joe good job mate maybe thermostat is stuck mate or water pump is jamming somewhere good luck nice machine must be so frustrating at times , good on you though for keeping cool I would have kicked it a few times of camera a few times right enough 😂😂 take care and all the best 👍👌🔧🔧🔧🦴🐾🐾❤️
For a recently lazy person which is me, I feel inspired by your work.
I enjoy your work on small engines
I wish I had the knowledge you have, good on you!!!
Fun to watch.
I have been trying to find a UTV that good condition and bad engine.
My 14 year old son wants to convert one to an electric drive.
I must not know where to look for them cause you have found lots
I don't see how you can remember how everything goes back together. Amazing memory you have!
I'm glad there's cell phones w cameras on them. I've gotten to where I take a picture before I take it off now. It's not like the ol days when you could just line it up on the floor, there's too many pieces.
Since I found your channel I Dont Know if I’ve ever seen a Part 3. Lol. Good on u to keep your cool. You’ll get it I know that
Also check that thermostat, also the fan should have been working overtime with that heat.
Good luck your definitely testing your skills and patience with that machine. Honestly don't think I would have the patience
It's perhaps a dumb idea but you could hoist the engine with a ratchet strap on the roll cage. wish you keeping cool with working on this again, best regards and thanks for the videos.
Great job as allways.Hows the puppy doing.All the best to you all.
Why don't you check to see if Can Am makes an aluminum gear kit for those 3 or go have them cut at a machine shop? I know a couple shops that would cut gears. Could have them Laser cut at 100/hr and machined at 50/hr + cost of material. Could do flat gears in 5mm thickness and add sleeve spacers and copper washers for alignment. Aluminum and Copper slide and work nice with each other when lubed.
Odes. An anagram of 'does'. Unfortunately this one doesn't... Looking on the bright side, the harder it is, the more we like it... Well done, Joe, it's nearly there. 👍
When filling the cooling system you should do it from the highest point you can. Either the blue hose or if it has a heater core it might be higher. It may be very low on coolant.
For idle quality always start by cleaning the idle air controll valve and throttle body with the valve removed.
Man i was soo happy. As soon as it started i was like "he did it" then the oberheat and im like DAMM!
Been waiting on this vid lets goooooo.
Well done lad 😊
Check your coolant level I was positive i had my rzr was bled out. But after a good ride it let me know different. Just had to let it idle a long long while and add more coolant!
Great catch on the timing mark's brother 😊
Great job, saved another one, 😊
Don't loose hope, haven't seen you fail at anything and your persistence is not futile. Cheers for sharing.
My Yamaha, which is what that is a copy of, had a burp port on the top of the motor that had to be opened when refilling the coolant. I'm not familiar with Odes, but it may have he same setup.
I just cant get over those plastic gears in a UTV engine. Just makes me cringe!
Garbage! People spend thousands on junk.
If they could make an entire engine out of plastic, they would. B&S does the same thing with the cam gear. Nylon/plastic for consumer grade engines, metal for the commercial Vanguard line.
What most engine's have now unless someone puts aftermarket ones.
planned obsolescence
I know some gearing it is better to not use the same materials gear against gear ⚙️ but this cheapo plastic era is going to come back to haunt the future of this planet.
Was there a video of the motor rebuild? Great video from a new sub!
Anxious for part 3. Hopefully you'll provide your best guess for whatever the original problem was.
The one-way bearing in that primary you probably don't want to take apart again is boned. That's why it's not idling very well. The secondary shouldn't spin at idle.
As for the secondary coming off, that's a torque-to-spec bolt. Can-am guys know that's a one time use bolt. Every time you pull the secondary you pay the $8 for a new bolt or risk paying $400 for a clutch case and secondary spring.
My back hurts just watching you struggle with installing that engine. I would have used that roll cage and a pulley/ hand winch
Nice job 👍
You are one tenacious dude👍👍👏👏
I have one of these machine and mine the exact same thing. my water pump fins had sheared off for some reason. But I have realized that those machines are problematic in general.
it will be nice when -you get the problems fixed/i want to see it all done/thanks much
So how difficult is it to replace the cam gear without knowing were it is supposed to be set at always wondered that please answere or show.
Love your channel
I didnt notice the new driveway! Nice driveway though!
Joe, Youve come such a long way man. I admire you and your commitment to your dream. Your work becomes better and better.
Hey Joe I would have someone mill a new gear out of aluminum then no worries. Also is it possible that theres a timing for the gear? Like a down sweep for the water pump at the same time as a load sweep for the oil pump? Maybe to much load all at once?
I think its great after all that work u can still say thats not good and not hide it great job u will fix it maybe get a biger moter with real gears
You know he’s tired of this machine the way he sends those bolts in with a drill lol I’ve been to that point lmao
Of course it fired up Joe, did you expect any different!! Wow what a monumental feat, the biggest fix to date in my opinion. Great job!! Great job indeed!!
I miss working on Old Broken Junk!!
At one time my YT Channel Was Making $2500-3,000 Per Month doing videos like this.
Really Wish i did not stop making ATV/Dirtbike Videos!
The most optimistic guy. Wish I had your patience.
It may be air locked look for a bleeder screw around thermostat or where the highest radiator hose comes off the head :))
I may be wrong but is the front piston fitted the correct way round, in the previous video you said the arrow should be pointing to the exhaust, but on the front cylinder it is facing the inlet.
Kind of feeling Deja Vu because that engine layout and the procedures you went through seems pretty well identical to the can-am outlander 800 engine I put new pistons/rings, jugs, and cylinder heads on lol. P.s. Except for the valve lash that seems a bit different than what the manual called for on the Can-am.
Did you lap the valves before you put in new valve seals i missed that part cause i working on side by side watching your video i thought it be good idea to lap valves and check them with valve blue and gringing compound
If you rotate those 1-quart oil bottles 180 degrees from how you had them, the oil will pour out smoothly and not glug out.
What caused & subsequently solved the random shutting off you encountered when first riding it again?
Think it might be just a case of bleeding the cooling system out rather than just filling it up with coolant. Pretty common problem with these units were you end up with a giant air lock in the engine. Should be some bleeder screws on the engine to help with bleeding out the coolant system.
The Secondary Clutch came off because you probably didn’t align the helix with the back of the clutch. There are three ears on the helix that have to slide into three slots in the back of the secondary. If you tighten it down without aligning the helix it will come right off as soon as you put it in gear. Also noticed you removed the one way bearing from the primary which is a big no-no if you’re not paying attention. There are two springs in the one way bearing that will fly out when you pull it off, just speaking from experience on that one lol