Ironically, this season captures the three types of arcs of clone wars: "Hey, that arc was pretty cool" arc "Dear god why do I have to watch this?" arc And the "Holy shit now THIS is why I love this show!" arc
@@paulb2306 But the thing with the Clone Wars is that every Season has its ups and downs. There were extreme highs and extreme lows. With Game of Thrones, Seasons 7 and 8 were almost all bad, while seasons 1-4 were almost all good.
Yeah it's easy to say in retrospect that the season would've been better with 4 episodes considering how lackluster the first 8 were, but I guarantee there would've been a shitstorm if they announced that Clone Wars was returning after all this time and then only having 4 episodes
4orange would’ve been nice to get The Son of Dathmir Arc, ventress Arc and a few others. Kinda surprised they didn’t include more given the popularity of this show is so great🤔 maybe one day we’ll get them you never know🔥
What pisses me off more is that there’s an episode in the middle arc where the sisters and Ashoka escape their prison cell from the Pykes, but then the episode ends with them getting captured again in the exact same situation they were in the beginning. Like bro they literally just stretched out the arc. WE COULD HAVE GOTTEN A COOL GREVIOUS ARC AND BOBA VS CAD BANE ARC
ALM media I remember watching the first Cad Bane episode where Anakin doesn’t have his lightsaber when I was like 6. For me after that, Cad Bane was the coolest character in the show. And then after season 3 they pretty much just forgot about him
Yeah but I think the last four episodes would've lost quality if they were dragged out for a whole season. Perhaps a movie would've been a better way of giving us what we wanted without all of the chaff.
Agreed. I think the episodes were necessary to get us emotionally connected to The Clone Wars again as the show was gone for a long time. So The Bad Batch reminded us about Rex's relationship with the clones, that he would go to extreme lengths to protect one of his fallen brothers, in this case Echo. And the Ashoka arc, although it was dragged out, it developed her distrust of the Jedi Order as it was not only HER that they had failed. So I feel that the additional episodes DID ADD to the final four episodes, and served as a good reminder.
Eric Carter That’s a good observation and you’re right they served there purpose and to that end I suppose their existence was justified. But I think a lot of fans (definitely myself) we’re connected enough already and I think that’s the portion of people who won’t enjoy those first two arcs. But without them most casual watchers might not have carried through with the rest of the season. A very good observation on your part.
I think yes, Star Wars fans can always complain. I wasn't happy that we aren't getting a finished version of Crystal crisis. Others want all cancelled episodes back from the grave and even if we had gotten that, people like Marcus would still have said that they were diminished by the initial cancellation.
@@livootherworld5756 I didnt intend to watch rebels but every star wars video i watched ALWAYS included a little bit of spoilers, so i already knew what happened :(
i did, i watched the clone wars in full back to back before i watched rebels and it was easily one of if not the best tv show i’ve ever watched, in so glad i got into it recently instead of being a star wars fan before and having rebels ruin everything
Oddwolf 799 Haha agreed, waaay better and I can’t wait for the show that will focus on them coming later in 2021. There’s so much potential to bring back other characters, explore amazing new storylines post-Order 66 & to further develop the Bad Batch themselves since they were pretty fun to watch and hear from as well! Very interesting batch of clones that I wanna know more of!! 🤩🙏🏼🔥💝
Even though I knew Rex was going to make it, seeing Jesse go was something else. He and his brothers didn't die for the the Republic. They died with it. I tragic but fitting end to the Clones. They died as they lived. Being good soldiers, following orders.
Best scenes - Rex refuses order 66 - Ashoka burying the clones - Darth Maul vs Ashoka - Darth Vader finds Ashoka lightsaber - Echo is found by Rex - every scene remake from episode 3 - maul vs the clones
Rex never really refuses order 66 He complyed with the order after 10 seconds of slight resistance and wanted to kill Ahsoka until she removed his chip
I would even include... - Darth Maul fighting the clones in the hallway. - Ashoka reuniting with Anakin and Rex - Deathwatch and the clones landing on Mandalore with Ashoka jumping and fighting from ship to ship. That scene was awesome.
Season 7 is like the perfect representation of Star Wars as a whole. There's okay stuff, really really goofy/bad stuff, annoying characters, amazing characters, and good/bad arcs. But when it's great, holy shit is it great.
Wesley Crawford clone wars, and Star Wars for that matter, might have some really low lows and really high highs. But when they actually try and work hard- it’s PHENOMENAL!!
@@silversunset It's a difficult balance to walk, but honestly, I continue to love Star Wars, the MCU, and DC because they aren't good or great all the time. It stays interesting because of that.
3 weeks late, but THE most frustrating part was this entire conflict was caused by this idiot girl dumping the spice because her group was arguing. Like what the hell man, this plot is boring af.
@@hammadhasan5230 same, but I got spoiled of what the hell happened in that show yay 😊😊😊 And I watch some clips too cause frick it, I know most of the character's fates anyways
I just bought disney+ to binge all of clone wars, I've never seen rebel and was completely on the edge of my seat for the last episode. truly incredible
Same here i had never watched it because i thought it was just a cartoon show for kids that wasnt canon. Then i heard it was canon. So it peaked my interest and i was hooked.
Honestly, I kind of think you missed one of the points of the last arc - you’re not supposed to care about Ahsoka, Rex, and Maul, you’re supposed to care about the clones obeying order 66. I feel like the stakes of the last arc and the suspense was about wether the clones were going to die obeying order 66, or if they would be saved. Especially Jesse. All of your points about the previous episodes before the last arc I 100% agree with. Edit: Also, even though we knew it would happen, it’s more about how it would happen.
Thank you, I watched it knowing what happens because of rebels but that wasn't why it made me so emotional. To me this arc was perfect because the viewer knew what was going to happen but not how. We couldn't stop it we could only sit and watch, and seeing each characters reaction was like a punch to the gut each time. It's not about if ahsoka and Rex survived it's about how and what they had to go through
Ok? I truly didn’t care about Jessie or any of the clones since all of the clones we actually cared about had already died throughout the series. They could’ve tied up the season nicely if bad batch came back but I just didn’t care about the nameless clones.
Biffyguy Biffy yeah, makes sense. They probably should have done something about that. But personally, I usually do care about the nameless clones, but you are right that they aren’t enough.
While the Clones are one of the focal points of this show, I think that we all knew the clones wouldn’t be saved. We knew they all had inhibitor chips and there was nothing that could be done to save them. Knowing how they survived is great, but that can never compare to the weight of the suspense we would’ve had if Rebels didn’t exist. We don’t see Ahsoka, Rex, or Maul anywhere else in Star Wars media besides Rebels, so without that show, it would’ve been so gripping to be in the unknown
I would have love to see Son of Dathomir replace the second story arc. So the three story arc would cover some Anakin and Obi Wan plus clones, Maul and what happened to the Nightsisters and then Ahsoka and Maul + Order 66 But I think this version should be longer an additional episode for Son of Dathomir and Siege of Mandalore.
@Duncan & Suzanne Thomas That was most likely created during or after the Empire’s Mandalorian purge. It was most likely put in place to protect the identities of Mandalorians so they were harder for the Empire to find. The rule probably stuck around even after the fall of the Empire as a tradition.
"It's hard to care when you know what happens to everybody in Rebels." The same could be said for almost every other main character of this show. No one is watching this show to see the fate of the cast in the prequels, but to see their path leading to their fate.
The show, as it went on, focused less and less on the characters from the prequels and more and more on the characters we liked that were original to the show. So that's not really a valid argument, because, essentially, the prequel characters aren't as important.
@John Waters Reviewers, uh... reviewers are critics, dude. Is this a prank? Or are you only watching reviews that universally praise or condemn stuff? Because I really can't see how else you could manage to not know that.
@John Waters Cosmo? Nah, he goes easy on Star Wars. He's got different tastes than I do, but I can at least usually see where he's coming from- WHOA WAIT WHEN DID THE R WORD COME INTO THIS You're defending yourself by equating mental illness with intellectual disability and then using an outdated slur for it? Bold move. Let's see how it plays out for you.
Yeah, it was mo-capped as he mentioned in the video, and the guy who played maul in making that scene was Ray Parks, who played live action Maul in Phantom Menace.
@@Nicooo Yeah but I'm sure it wasn't actual motion capture which is why some fights before had this kind of jankyness where they go really fast then stop for a second and then go for another attack and then stop for a second. Rinse and repeat
I remember when Marcus saw the trailer for clone wars and he was so hyped for it he said “give me 12 episodes with jar jar dancing with Ewoks I do not care”
I hate the Sisters arc just as much as everyone else bur I feel like it would've been kinda weird if we hadn't gotten an explanation to what Ahsoka did in between leaving the Jedi Order and then just randomly turning up on Anakins Venator together with Bo-Katan.
One son of dothomir arc, Kashyyk invasion arc with yoda, Dooku vs bounty hunters and ventress, Grievous kidnapping Palpatine, Anakin discussing with Obi wan on how sad it is that Ahsoka left scene too short.
TCVH: *The clone wars season 7 didn't need 12 episodes* Me: *the clone wars season 7 needed a better first 8 episodes, like 2 unreleased bounty hunter episodes, the 2 crystal crisis episodes, and 4 son of dathomir darth maul episodes
Thank youuuuu, I also think since season 6 was basically a compilation of episodes and overall unfinished (its called the lost missions for a reason, they couldn't develop it as they wanted to because of the disney purchase), they should have added whatever s6 arc they didnt include. But ur spot on about the arcs, ive been wanting to watch them ever since they got released, would have been amazing. I think in terms of where it fits might have been cool if yoda interacted with bane in s7 than s6.
Can I just say that the most underated part if the last 4 episodes is the music. Like my god was ghe music was amazing. The synths fit so well with the art style, the universe, and the theme of whats going on. The music just gives the sense of awe, wonder, and sadness that star wars represents in these episodes. So can we please just appreciate how good the music is? Like watch back those four episodes and listen to the music.
@@Blue-Apple-fc9eo His opinions are pretty asinine sometimes. Aside from the fact he always sounds like a fucking stoner all the time (which I'm just saying cuz I don't see it said enough), he thinks the Original Trilogy is literally flawless, which is absolutely not true. I listened to all his reviews of the main Star Wars movies, and it boggled my mind having to listened to so much of the harsh things he's said about really good, popular movies, that he just glossed over all the flaws in those movies while ripping the prequels to shreds. I lost all respect for him as a reviewer after that.
I love how this guy said "Why do I care if echo found a squad of clones to hangout with for like the 2 weeks before they all turned evil and killed the Jedi" and then bad batch drops like hello there
I think it is very likely that either Maul, Rex, Bo-Katan, and/or Ahsoka would have died in this final arc if Rebels was not made first. Because when the Clone Wars was cancelled, Dave Filoni brought characters from Clone Wars into Rebels because he felt it was the only way to finish the Clone Wars. He was trying to make the best of an imperfect situation but had the original plan for the Clone Wars gone through where it was never cancelled and they organically got to the finale, I am almost certain one of if not several of those 4 characters would have died. I especially feel this for Maul and Rex, who's characters never really got development in the Rebels. The story and their characters would have been perfectly served if they died here to make the end of the Republic and the end of the Clone Wars. Like this was not the original finale they had created for the Clone Wars. It was adapted and changed to so that it could fit with Rebels and that extends from minor things (like a character from the Solo movie appearing) to major things like character deaths. EDIT: I see some replies saying Ahsoka would not have died because she is fan favorite, but that would not be enough to save her. It was always George Lucas's original plan to kill her off in the Clone Wars while Dave Filoni did everything in his power to try and convince him to let her live after the Clone Wars. However, with the purchase of Star Wars by Disney is 2015, Lucas was out of the picture and Dave's vision for Ahsoka won out. And to be clear, I'm not saying Ahsoka would have absolutely died during this arc had Disney never bought Star Wars. I am, however, saying that killing her off in this arc was always a very real possibility and even more likely when Lucas was in charge.
Honestly though, Maul’s death in Rebels works a lot better than however he would have died here. If he died here, it would have been impossible for it to be at the hand of Obi Wan, they likely never would have interacted. I already think that the Maul/Kenobi fight in Rebels is one of the best duals in the series (mostly due to its presentation, it feels very similar to the duals in classic samurai films, which the Jedi/Sith were originally inspired by), but I just don’t think Maul can die any other way than at the hands of Kenobi. That was his entire purpose for most of the show, he wants the kill Kenobi for what he did to him, and I think he needs to be killed by Kenobi to finish his character.
I gotta disagree with ya Marcus, the season wasn’t for the story it was for the characters. You care about Echo being alive because he’s Echo, he’s the last boy from Domino squad. The middle arc is kinda shit I’ll agree and could’ve been condensed to 2 episodes. Then the last arc I don’t need to defend.
I think that Marcus is too hard on the last arc. I think that the way the info was presented was interesting. We knew Ahsoka and Rex would survive, but we didn't know how, we didn't know how they'd feel about everything. I think that, given the Rebels problem, it should be a 9.
@@Sambysaurus Yeah, I understand that, but I really think that the only flaw with the last arc is that Rebels makes it less suspenseful. If a 10/10 is flawless, then it really should be a 9/10 because the one flaw it has is due to corporate shit and bad timing, not the actual craft behind it
@@grantforgues720 You shouldn't pay any attention to ratings, they are meaningless. Just try to listen to what he is saying. He describes it as some of the best of Star Wars, that should be worth way more to you than the rating. I personally loved the final arc, and that is good enough for me. Glad you also enjoyed it.
From my perspective, there's always something to enjoy from "The Clone Wars." Knowing what the outcome is doesn't have to mean there's no tension. It's witnessing the horror of Order 66 from another perspective. And they of course have problems, it's called the Empire and likely a shitload of PTSD. There's a lot to get out of Season 7; it doesn't all have to be high action or drama. Anyhoo, this is all opinion. It doesn't mean anything except to ourselves.
I agree, I like Cosmonaut but it seems like he has a problem with everything. We shouldn’t of even got this season, we should be thankful that Disney listened to the fans for once. I do agree with the 2nd arc being weak as hell.
Yeah knowing about the outcome things doesn t stop me from being invested at all. But im also a person that doesn't care about spoilers n things like that
@@Coltboy00 He is a critic, it's his job to break apart elements of film and tv and explore why they work or don't. he enjoyed the show, he didn't enjoy having his time wasted with filler that in a final season farewell to a show he really liked, and I think that's fair. he said he was having fun with it and for most people, the question probably would pop up, "Oh wow, how are they gonna survive this?" But if you already know they do survive you're just watching it to see how they do it, not to see if it works. kinda cheapens the experience.
@@Coltboy00 But he didn't say that it was bad. He just said it wasn't literally perfect. If you're saying that's not being "thankful" enough to the monopolistic corporation that almost single-handedly turned international copyright law from a shield into a sword and continually does stuff like remove gay people from movies to appeal to China, I'm gonna go ahead and say you've lost your mind. You don't need to be thankful. You don't need to give Disney praise. Star Wars will keep coming out regardless.
I personally missed grievous so much in this Season. As I saw him in this one shot of an opening scene, I seriously paused for a sec,that good did he look.But then he never shows up and it disappointed me a little bit.....
@@Mateocabrera2389 because he’s a cool badass character with good motives and sick backstory. He wasn’t the greatest in rots and tcw 2008 but in everything else he’s such a badass.
@@Mateocabrera2389 Have you literally ever read his backstory? Or about his motives? Or why he was literally one of the strongest soldiers in this era, and arguably could obliterate Dooku? Until you have you have no room to speak.
Leon Russell I feel like I should ask if you’ve seen the Christmas special. I promise you it’s worse in terms of both storytelling quality and execution.
Well, Resistance is bad too. But at least, when Lucas realised what they have filmed he tried his best to make people forget it. And Disney is like:"we can put a star wars label on any shit, its our franchise".
I'm really surprised they didn't finalize the 'Prelude to Utapau' episode where Anakin and Obi-wan talked about Anakin's frustration with Ashoka leaving and how much it negatively affected him. I feel like that was an important episode to support Anakin's reasoning for saying 'fck the council' by RotS.
It was pretty important and I wish they put it in, but Dave explained why they choose the arcs that ends up in the season. Bad Batch: - Clone focused, especially at Rex Martez sisters: - World building - Ahsoka's character development Siege if Mandalore: I mean it's the finale, why would it be cut out
@@DARTH-R3VAN the character development of her after leaving the order cause really that scene where Ahsoka rants the Jedi Order wouldn't really make sense unless she goes through events that sets her mindset into that in which she believes the Jedi Order now only cares about politics
Still makes no sense for him to tell mace about palps then kill mace then help palpatine because of a vague promise to help the one he loves and the one he loves dies by his hand because of what palpatine told him, and he sticks with palpatine for 20 years. Makes sense. Ty George.
"it's hard to care about characters when you know they're gonna live." Dude you've said this a couple times and you gotta get over it. A character arc is so much more than "will they live?" It's the characters reactions, what the seige of mandalore was like, maul and Ashokas interactions, etc. Absolutely no one watched this to find out if ahsoka, Rex, and maul lived through it, and that's not why the episodes were created.
Except they want us to feel that tension? Their survival is a fact and that fact is not respected when it's conveniently forgotten to make the director's job easier. They put the characters in life threatening situations in order to create tension. That doesn't work if we know they are going to survive. It's lazy, cheating. Sorry, but you have to try harder in that scene, don't expect the audience to give themselves a lobotomy if they want to feel something in that scene. There's nothing forcing that scene to be there and to do that and go like that. It doesn't have to pretend that fact doesn't exist. It's just easier to do that. Look at Solo. No, a Solo movie isn't automatically ruined by knowing Han Solo makes it out alive. Except what it does ruin is when there's a crazy action scene and the movie tries to make you scared they aren't going to make it, in order to initiate an emotional reaction. No. Sorry. You can't get tension from threatening a character's life when you know that character will be fine, it has to be more than that. But directors be lazy and seem to forget that and want the audience to forget that just to make their job easier. Keep making it easy, I'm sure it will work out.
@@sorryifoldcomment8596 alrighty you're clearly very bored if you got that pissy to hunt down my comment to bitch at. I don't care about the stakes, and these episodes weren't made for stakes. I know that mandalore is lost to the empire. I know that maul, Rex, ahsoka, and bo katan live. I know order 66 happens. We all knew these facts going in, and it's pretty stupid to think that filoni was trying to create life or death tension for these four characters. There are different kinds of tension. Dread for order 66. Seeing maul absolutely terrified of what's to come. The discussion between maul and ahsoka. The tension between ahsoka and obi wan/mace windu. The tragedy of ahsokas faith in Anakin being false. Vader thinking ahsoka died, but still taking her lightsaber. This is trying harder, and boiling down storyline tension to game of thrones is working against you. You need to give a shit about what's being presented to you, or stop watching.
K. Flynn This season was planned prior to rebels. You don’t think that the creators would have preferred there being tension of not not knowing whether Ashoka or Maul survive Order 66? Either way, people are getting way too asspained about this point that Cosmonaut made. He’s not making it out to be some sort of objective flaw with the show; he’s just saying how it personally hurt his experience a little.
@@ArmadaX96 yeah but he's similar statements multiple times. I agree that not knowing their fates would've been more exciting, but acting like there's no tension whatsoever is false. Also, considering that they did make rebels and then this season, they did a pretty good job with fitting in to the plotline they had to follow, and still making it interesting.
The bad batch arc, for me at least, was a really fun arc. This might just be because me and my friends attached ourselves to the domino squad for some reason, but seeing Rex reminiscing with that picture of Fives and Echo was really impactful, and seeing Rex not giving up hope of echo being alive to the point of going on a suicide mission to find him just hits hard.
I know at the time it wasn’t know but I’m pretty sure the first arc was meant as a back door pilot for the bad batch show, which makes perfect sense. Having an arc to establish these characters works perfectly in my opinion as it allows us to dive straight into order 66 in the show.
The first arc made me happy, because I’m pretty sure bad batch was originally planned for clone wars season 7, and I saw them on TH-cam as unfinished episodes. I also attached myself to domino squad, as the first thing I saw with clone wars was reading a book about domino squad (cadets, rookies, and arc troopers.)
I feel like they should have made 2 more seasons of clone wars and added in all the unfinished arcs like the boba fett, asajj ventress, Utapau, and Yoda/Wookiee arcs
0:50 I don’t understand how that’s a problem when for the rest of the Clone Wars’ existence you knew EXACTLY what was gonna happen to most of the characters in the show. Anakin can’t die because he becomes Vader. Obi-Wan can’t die because he has to Protect Luke until IV. Yoda can’t die because because he has to train Luke until VI. And we know most to all the Jedi in the show are gonna die anyways, but that doesn’t automatically mean that you can’t have tension or worry for them in the show. If characters like that don’t bother you, then why should these few be an exception? That’s like saying the entire show of the Clone Wars doesn’t matter because we know where the majority of the characters end up. In simple terms, “It’s about the Journey, not the Destination.”
I think most other clone wars episodes had tensions and stakes unrelated to the main characters tho. Usually theres a seperate character or planet or something that is in jeprody and thats what the tension is built from. I think the best example is Obiwan's one girlfriend lady in all the mandalore episodes. You wanna see her survive and her planet be in peace but you dont know if the main characters can make sure that happens. Compare this storytelling to the final Mandalore episodes where the tension is almost completly based on whether people we know that are going to survive are gonna die or not. These are just my thoughts so if you have any ither ideas that'd be cool i guess
The Last Donut Of I course I get it when it comes from the new characters. Stuff like the Umbara Arc probably does do the best in elements like tension, but I’m specifically talking about Characters they existed before the Clone Wars, because from his logic in this video, why should we care about them if we already know what happens? It just doesn’t make sense that you can’t care about what characters go through if you already know where they end up. It’s like with the Marvel movies. Most people expected them all to stick around because they knew they had to for IW, but you still wanted to see their adventures beforehand. Does that make sense? Idk, I just feel like some of the things he says are invalid with what he’s said before in other videos. :/
@@someguy7054 I agree but rebels sorta ruined the hype for this show finale bc it focused on rex, ashoka and maul the three characters whose fates are revealed in the rebels. I will say tho that this guy got over hyped for this finale and that sorta ruined his view of it.
Akindu Marasinghe Yeah, it would’ve had a much bigger if it weren’t for Rebels, but the entire Rebels and Clone Wars situation was completely out of the team’s control so I don’t hold it against them too much.
We all knew that the big main characters were going to live. But hes mainly talking about Ashoka, because before Rebels came out we didnt know if she died in TCW. Like he said imagine if Rebels wasnt a thing and while you watch the finale 4 episodes you could think Ashoka could die. Watching that would have been tense to watch.
When I saw that short shot of Grevious he looked TERRIFYING I wish they skipped the sister arc and gave us a new grevious arc because his new design looks absolutely incredible.
I’m so tiered of hearing the surface level complaint of prequels that “cause we know they live there’s no tension”. In Nearly all stories we know the main characters are going to live but scenes can still be stressful. Rewatching scenes full of danger is still engaging when done well despite knowing they live. And good prequels (& most stories) don’t even derive their tension from the life or death but emotional stakes. Seeing Batman be pushed to the edge, even though we know he’ll live is still gripping if the scenes cantered on a goal or his restraint not to break his 1 rule.
I know right. I feel like his only legitamite complaints were "Martez sisters bad" and "Echo maybe being evil was dumb". But aside from that his only argument is "oh its dumb how thiis season got released later" but that doesn't effect how good the episodes were themselves.
Lonely Tent 2 Asoka & Rez’s escape was the most stressful action gripping sequence in Star Wars in my opinion. The overwhelming number of clones, Trying & failing to stop Maul from stealing the only ship, & the massive god of war scale set piece of the crashing Cruiser was amazing.
I mean it's still valid. Yeah most stories end with the main characters surviving but not all do and that shred of "will this be one of the ones where they don't survive" is what builds that tension. But if you know they end up okay it entirely dissolves that tension. Now it's just left to how good is the stuff they used to fill in the blanks. Thus why he said the last 4 are his favorites cause they filled in the blank with really good stuff. If this had come out before rebels it would of had this tension of "do they survive?" because there is already stuff after this that Ahsoka and Rex DON'T appear in so the possibility remained that they could die.
@@TheGamingBDGR Agreed. This was the point made in the video, it would be a whole different type of tension if we didn't know the fate of these characters, that's what made them so interesting in the first place. So I'm not really sure what OP is on about lmao.
Yeah though he has a point, it’s almost as if he was being paranoid to be critical about it. Scoring it out of fate was dumb. But he did have some well made arguments.
Im keen to see a RotS supercut with these episodes or these episodes as their own film but i think the tension of waiting each week knowing what was coming helped with the impact that they had
Honestly, they should have cut out the Middle Arc, replaced it with the Cad Bane vs Boba Fett one, then had the last arc be the Umbar Crystal Crisis. And then they should have released the Siege of Mandalore as it's own movie.
I would not be surprised if the Martez sisters arc was something that Kathleen Kennedy wanted to include. It is very hard for me to believe that Filoni would scrap some of the most hyped stories of the unfinished season to give the fans a 4-part story about two boring women who look like they belong to a Latin American feminist movement.... That arc had Kathleen Kennedy written all over it.
Planag7 YES!! Thank you! I don’t understand how he complains about this season being predictable, yet he praised the rest of the show which came out after the OT as well... Yet i don’t recall him saying that the other seasons were predictable.
Mike Whale I just can’t after seeing the Lightsaber Helicopters and everything Ezra has done I needed to drop it at season 1 honestly I forgot so much of it that it really didn’t effect my overall experience for Clone Wars
Austin C SAME!! Never watched rebels bought heard about what happens to Ahsoka Rex and maul. I TRIED watching the show for the first time at s2 ep1 but skipped through basically half the episode out of boredom. I’m planning to watch only the important stuff with Vader maul and Ahsoka. So far I’ve only watched specific scenes on TH-cam because most of the episode are probably just filler.
Probably the worst part of the bad batch arc is how Echo never asks or finds out about Fives. Like, Echo and Fives were basically inseparable, and Echo’s last memory of him was him running to safety. It would have been so much more powerful for Echo to look around at the squad around him and ask where Fives was, and for Rex to break the bad news.
@@nokachi3339 That's debatable. Most events of a story are all outcomes of events and decisions that previously occured. Order 66 didn't happen randomly. It was part of emperor palpatines plan all along. It was inevitably going to happen.
@@nazeefchowdhury2226 There is a difference between knowing that a fight is coming and knowing that a character is going to survive all the fights they will ever have in a series, because they are already shown alive in the future. One gives you a feeling of anticipation towards what is coming, the other means that everything that's coming already has a set outcome.
Paulius Subacius His only criticism was that he knew certain characters wouldn’t die. And I’m just sitting there like: “Have you never rewatched a film?”
I really like how clone wars got you to love the clones throughout the 7 seasons. Then in almost three seconds, it turns them into faceless fodder, and that’s what makes it great.
If Hondo showed up in the Martez sister arc to start a war with the pikes that arc would be so cool. Imagine if to gain their freedom Ahsoka has to help Hondo capture the pike capital or something. It would have fit perfectly and been an awesome arc.
@Francisco Rodriguez Yeah that's true. Back when there was only five seasons, I used to wonder what it would be like for her to live as a normal person. So I personally was thankful for the episodes she was in, but if they stuck to the original plan without the Martez sisters, it could have been way better.
@Francisco Rodriguez Yeah I haven't watched rebels either, but it's been spoiled enough times on the internet so I know basically what happens. Also I watched the Mandolorian. But have you watched the bad batch? If you have comment is it any good?
I dunno man I think the fact that these episodes came out after rebels and YOU YOURSELF admit to being sucked into the action AND EMOTION of Ahsoka and Rex's escape before remembering about rebels that just shows how good the writing is. Plus i think it paints certain scenes in Rebels in a new light. Particularly Ahsoka Tano vs Darth Vader.
Yeah he complained a lot like the finale was purposefully made after knowing these characters would survive but there is no point since the Disney acquisition slashed in half CW without any guarantee for a future installment
@@Kyroro97 exactly. Plus for me and many others we're not fussing over "oh they live so what" we're too drawn into the ethical and emotional weight of what's going on in the moment.
The whole point of it was that that moment was spoiled because of rebels. That's his argument there. If rebels didn't exist those episodes would've been so much better like he said. And of course nobody could've controlled it but it still remains that it ruins some moments.
@@spaceface8504 it's a dumb complaint really-most people acknowledge that yes "OMG IMAGINE IF REBELS DIDN'T EXIST" but they also were sucked into the moment which again HE ADMITS happened. So why even bother complaining about the whole rebels thing
@@jacksoneee6759 what do you mean, the Christmas special is the greatest thing of all time. If you hate it, then obviously you love the abomination that was the last 4 episodes of clone wars, which is the worst thing to exist in the star wars universe
I'm still glad that this season was 12 episodes long, because it made Season 7 feel like a full revival, not just a belated goodbye. Plus if it was only 4 episodes then everyone would be complaining that there weren't more than 4 episodes, and the last thing we need is more Star Wars fans complaining. Besides, all Clone Wars seasons are uneven. Even at it's peak in Seasons 3-5 there were still arcs that were bad and/or forgettable. But because of it's anthology format, you can just skip those arcs and watch the great ones.
Jack G bad batch arc was there to show rex’s feelings about the war and it’s toll. I’m one of the few who likes the Martez sisters arc because Trace reminded me of early Ahsoka and Rafa reminded me a little of myself, a little beaten down and surviving in a world much bigger than herself. But they did feel dragged out and cutting it to 2 episodes would have helped.
Jack G I agree 100% I like the sisters arc more than the bad batch arc because other than a few good scenes with Rex I didn’t like it at all felt very kiddish at least the sister arc was setting up for the final episodes by putting more doubts into Ashoka’s mind about the republic
Always remember that Disney cheated us out of 41 episodes of Clone Wars. (13 from season 6, 20 from Season 7, and 20 from Season 8 (this Season 7 was pulled from episodes of the originally planned Seasons 7 and 8)
Yeah, the legit Grievous is a threat arc, the Bad Patch pt 2 on Kashyyyk, Boba's Arc, the Yuuuzhan Vong arc, etc. However, I have to say. Season 6 *WAS* released. Look for it. It's called Season Six: The Lost Missions, it has some pretty cool arcs, one with Windu and dare I say, a not annoying Jar Jar.
@@XtoDoubt25 So not trying to be THAT guy, and I know it's pretty much the same amount regardless, but it's actually *40 because: twitter.com/Vandicoup/status/1291423709484535815?s=20 -- There has never been a season of TCW that went on for 26 episodes. Most was 22 and they followed that structure, for the most part throughout the series. So, going based off that, it's actually 20 episodes for S7 and 20 episodes for S8 since, according to Wikipedia, there were 65 left back when it was cancelled, 13 became S6 and now 12 became S7, so 13+12 is 25 and 65-25 is 40. ;)
Of those 41 episodes, i guarantee you not a single one would be as good as the last four disney put out. They'd all range from martez arc to slightly better than bad batch arc. It'd be fun to see them, but we got the important one.
The problem was they were too long. Like, that whole story could've been a two parter and it would've had just as much substance. The Bad Batch had that really short episode where nothing actually happened, and then that dumb usual Jedi Savior making the local people fight the separatists. I feel like they should've cut those out in order to have an Anakin and ObiWan story with heavy emphases on Anakin's frustration and sadness. Maybe rework Utapau a bit? That would've been pretty sick.
This season should have been longer they tried to rush this season, so certain parts such as rex not removing his inhibitor chip, or more aniakan being tempted to the dark side, ventresses last arc, boba fett and cad bane, so many great arcs that were discarded for what the martez sisters dumbassery.
Yes like you know KK somehow messed that up. I’m grateful she didn’t get involved in the last episodes but you know filoni did the Martez sisters arc to please his feminist overlord
AndreNitro X1000 the fuck are you smoking? the ahsoka’s walkabout arc was planned a long ass time ago, they changed it to two characters instead of one so they could actually get good character interactions there’s absolutely nothing inherently feminist about having female characters, i would have thought someone that was a fan of this show would know that i’m sure it would have been just as stale if they kept it the way it was
@@snitchbug Agreed however please understand these were unfinished episodes. Of the ones available nobody has any idea why they chose that martez arc (doesn't matter male of female)
If you think about it, this season was basically Clone Wars in a nutshell: An arc that was fun, action-y, and had cool characters with cool banter; the "meh" story that wasn't bad per se but still could've been better; and then the goddamn masterpiece that is among the best Star Wars has ever offered.
Just because you know what’s gonna happen doesn’t take away from the enjoyment, in ROTS we know that all the Jedi are gonna die and that Palpatine is the Sith Lord and that Anakin is going to be Darth Vader but it still doesn’t take away from the enjoyment and emotional weight of seeing what happens
Yes but we didn't know which Jedi survived or not. In the last episodes of this season it kinda needs to make you feel the tension of if they will survive or not. But they will and we know for a fact they will and that takes away the tension of the scene.
@@spaceface8504 bit you could argue the entire clone wars series for at least the film characters has has no tension or point because we know order 66 happens
@@anotherhappylanding4746 yes but that's all we know. We don't know about Ashoka or the clones and every other character besides film. And yeah we know that order 66 happens but we don't know how it affects the other characters. So there is still tension and suspense. Had we known from the beginning everybody's fates then it wouldn't of been as exciting.
@@anotherhappylanding4746 whoever says the season is bad is wrong it's just the middle arc is really bad and the first arc is decent. The last arc is amazing but like I said it has no stakes since we know they all live in the end.
Exactly, the second arc kinda sucks, but the first one is supposed to get us back into the Clone Wars mood. We needed that one focused on clones only so we can get familiar with the series again.
Completely Agree, the bad batch is so clone wars it's unfair to hate it because it's what we wanted, the Martez sisters arc sucks but then we get 4 incredible episodes, everyone at the beginning of the season wanted like 20 episodes and now people say there should only be 4? Make up ur mind people
They could have made a season 7 with the bad batch arc, the stupid sisters arc, and those that where cut(look up in the comments someone pointed those out and damn they sound super cool) and then having this series finale as a 2 hour movie
I understand that he feels like the show is 'spoiled' because we know how they all end up. I don't agree with it, because there is a certain beauty in knowing how a certain thing unfolds, seeing the side of the story we never saw before, no matter what order we see it in. The satisfaction of seeing the pieces fall into place is an extremely subjective feeling and I get if someone doesn't see it that way.
Davey Jones yes it’s anthology, which is funny, considering in the TL, the ahsoka arc happens before the bad batch arc, now considering bad batch is part of the outer rim sieges
And that storytelling. And not being targeted for toddlers. They should make crap like Resistance and Forces of Destiny for toddlers only, and the rest of the material for more mature audiences. And I don't mean teens or adults. Just not damn 5 year olds only. Rebels had a lot of that.
Cosmonaut: Just give me more Clone Wars! I don’t care if it’s all Jar Jar episodes! I just want more Clone Wars! Also Cosmonaut: We got more Clone Wars...but was it actually all that great?
Who cares about the knowing or not the fate of the characters? There is many reasons why people rewatch films. I’ve rewatch the OT 100 of times, I know the fate of every character and the Movies are still great. That argument is so dumb.
I can’t wait for when someone creates a machine that can wipe all my memories from the finale and rebels so I can watch this without knowing if Ahsoka and Rex Live or die
Atticus Smith Filoni and team wrote those narratives so good in Rebels. It aided TCW Series finale. Just like The Mandalorian will benefit from TCW finale arc in season 2.
SwaggerLikeUz I’m not saying this because I think they’re bad stories I’m saying it so I can feel the tension of the final ark instead of knowing what’s gonna happen
I don’t mind that we all knew what was going to happen and that Maul, Ashoka and Rex were going to survive as I was just in it for the journey and to see how they survived more than if they survived.
So judging the final arc as "predictable" because you'd seen Rebels already is massively unfair. Just because you know a character is going to live doesn't remove the tension built in the scene involving it. If you watched Aliens before Alien, would you just not care and complain because you know Ripley is going to survive? It's a bias and it's pretty unfair to the quality of these last 4 episodes to judge it negatively because of that. What choice do these episodes have? Their plot doesn't know or care if you've seen Rebels already so it shouldn't (and doesn't) pander to either audience. It just tells the story it wants to tell and tells it well.
@@jakealexander9160 Imagine you never watched Rebels. Imagine you had no idea what happened to Maul or Ahsoka. Thats the story intended to be told, so that is the story you follow.
You sure you actually watched the video? He specifically says that he knows his complaints are biased and unfair. It's not like he hates the arc because of that, it's just his own personal nitpick. He even calls the last 4 ep of season 7 some of his favorite Star Wars things ever
But he judged it negatively despite confirming his bias. Basically saying "I know this is unfair but it's how I feel anyway." It goes against his previous complaining about Nitpicks and it's inconsistent to say the least, hypocritical at worst.
@HeronKij He tells us when he's stating an opinion. When he states fact he doesn't have to tell us because it's straight forward and we can all see it. The creators obviously wanted there to be tension in these episodes or they wouldn't have had Rex trying to save Ahsoka as they flew out of the Venator. That's why those episodes aren't as good as they could be. It's not a nitpick when it's literally about the suspense because that is what RoTS was about. The suspense of what happens to Vader. We know he becomes Vader but we don't why. The thing with Ahsoka, Rex and Maul is that they’re pretty straight forward and easy to predict.
@@Exonorm27 No they couldn't. The point of the Bad Batch arc in Clone Wars was to establish the characters and test the idea. Bad Batch serves as a sequel to the Clone Wars, much like Rebels. Therefore, for simplicity, the events of the show should take place after the Clone Wars, as it does. Having overlapping characters in shows is fine, but having overlapping events (in terms of the timeline) split between shows is risky and requires the producers to add more scenes or details to show the audience when exactly something is happening, which detracts from the pacing and can ultimately ruin a show. Therefore, removing the Bad Batch arc from the Clone Wars and adding it to the Bad Batch show is a risky course of action, and is not the best idea, especially when season 7 of the Clone Wars is already fairly short. Now, you could argue that the final arc of season 7 of the Clone Wars did the exact thing I said was a bad idea. That is true. However, there are some reasons that this risk paid off in a way that it can't for the Bad Batch. 1. The plot takes place during important events, and this is expressed to us with great emphasis. This isn't possible for the Bad Batch since there were no important events happening during the Bad Batch arc in the Clone Wars. 2. This plot gives the perspective of 2 main characters that fans want to see more of, and other established characters, such as Maul or Jesse that fans also want to see more of. 3. Usually, the Clone Wars tries to end each arc on a happy note, which draws attention to the arc as you watch it, since you are left wondering how it would turn positive for our characters. This is not something the Bad Batch show can do, since it has no history to draw attention to the direction of the plot. 4. After watching this arc, we see emphasis on the powerful message that the show has been trying to communicate all along (about individuality). It isn't likely that the Bad Batch could have used any of these points above to pull off the same thing as the Clone Wars. Therefore, the Bad Batch show would have to use other tactics to encorperate the arc from the Clone Wars. What tactics they could use to make the time frame clear AND gain traction on the show? I don't know. That's why I think that it is unlikely that this could have been done well.
I feel the same way, like I watched this with my dad, and he’s never watched rebels, and he loved the last four episodes, and the stakes were there for him, so I agree, I wish rebels didn’t come first, or rebels was a better show
While we know what’s going happen, I completely disagree that the final four episodes were predictable; yes, plot wise we know where we’re going, but the interactions between Rex, Ahsoka and Maul genuinely surprised me - character development certainly wasn’t predictable in my opinion
Fun fact for those who don't know. The duel between Ahsoka and Maul was actually motion captured, and they brought back Ray Park to do the mocap for Maul.
No offense but I find the complaint that you can’t enjoy the show because you know what will happen to be kinda ridiculous. If you make that complaint, I feel like you have to apply it to all of Clone Wars
why are people so stupid in the comments. NO you cant make that argument for all the clone wars, because most of the show focussed on people and planets we'd never seen before and had no idea their fates. Obi Wan anakin grievous etc were just some of many character throughout the show.
@@TrueNorthProductions Did you watch Clone Wars at all? There was a movie character in harm's way in pretty much every episode, in peril for the sake of tension regardless of whether or not we knew they would survive. Oh no! R2 has been replaced with another droid and they think he's dead, but Anakin refuses to give up on him? Well too bad he's in a New Hope. Anakin is deep behind enemy lines in a stealth ship and Admiral Trench knows how to blow him up in stealth mode? Well, he's contractually obligated to turn into Darth Vader in the next few seasons, so yeah. Obi-Wan Kenobi is disguised, trying to survive a dungeon in Count Dooku's palace, surrounded by bounty hunters that would shoot him dead if they realized who he was? Oh, look at that. He hasn't killed Grievous yet. Off the top of my head, the only good arc in this show where a prequel character wasn't in harm's way was the Pong Krell arc. Even Sheev got to be in trouble at one point, when Star Wars Godzilla chased him around. I seriously wonder how anyone agreeing with Cosmonaut's terrible point enjoyed this show at all. Yes, I know that all these characters from the prequels are guaranteed to live so they can kill each other in movies that I've already seen. That doesn't mean I, or anyone else, shouldn't see the flaw in the argument that no tension can be derived from the situations these characters find themselves in. This argument can absolutely be made for the whole of Clone Wars. Some of the best arcs in the show revolve around the prequel characters and the trouble they get into.
Yeah we all knew snaking obi wan etc would have died but maul Ashoka and Rex we’re main characters and we had no clue what would happen to them if rebels never existed
I’ve always been someone who loves the clone-focused episodes. The first four episodes in this season I like even more than usual clone episodes because you get some cool Anakin stuff, some fun and unique characters, and some Captain Rex development
YES! Exactly what I've always been saying about TBB arc! Doesn't deserve all the hate it gets and is truly an underrated story! I soo loved that arc myself and am looking very much forward to their own show that focuses on the post-Order 66 era. Oh man!!
@@liaminator4950 Yes, yes, YES! Man, I'm so glad I've seen ya'lls comments on here. Here I thought I was the ONLY one who ever loved the more clone-focused episodes and didn't always go on and on about the jedi, lightsabers and the force haha. That's all great and fun and epic too but man, Star Wars is not JUST about all that. Lot of fans think it'd be "dry" and "boring" without that but that's not true. Arcs like Umbara prove otherwise! And now we're FINALLY getting an ENTIRE SHOW for the clones, with only few scenes about the jedi, the force and lightsabers I hope! It's about DAMN TIME the clones don't get overshadowed and downplayed in THE CLONE WARS. :D
I love the clones. It's not The *Clone* Wars without them. Plus, that arc had a lot of other great moments too, such as Anakin/Padme, Obi-Wan, etc, etc.
Basically it should have been 1st arc : Son of Dathomir comic in CW style 2nd arc : Deleted Ahsoka Jedi Temple arc where she holds off Sidious 3rd arc : Leave it as it is.
Ironically, this season captures the three types of arcs of clone wars:
"Hey, that arc was pretty cool" arc
"Dear god why do I have to watch this?" arc
And the "Holy shit now THIS is why I love this show!" arc
Perfectly balanced
Deadshot 500
As all things should be
Your not wrong, your not wrong at all ... actually you might have hit a bullseye.
ya but you can say about anything really, Example Game of thrones season, 1-4 YEAAAAA THIS IS GOLD, 4-6 hey this is...alright, 7-8 fuck this IM OUT
@@paulb2306 But the thing with the Clone Wars is that every Season has its ups and downs. There were extreme highs and extreme lows. With Game of Thrones, Seasons 7 and 8 were almost all bad, while seasons 1-4 were almost all good.
“No one would have complained if it was only 4 episodes” people were complaining that it was only 12!
Joey Kevorkian for real I wanted more! Idk what this kid is on but I’m happy with them giving us as much episodes as possible lol
Yeah it's easy to say in retrospect that the season would've been better with 4 episodes considering how lackluster the first 8 were, but I guarantee there would've been a shitstorm if they announced that Clone Wars was returning after all this time and then only having 4 episodes
ZHL242 Just frame it as a the Clone Wars movie and most would be fine... The 4 episodes can easily fill a movie's watchtime.
4orange would’ve been nice to get The Son of Dathmir Arc, ventress Arc and a few others. Kinda surprised they didn’t include more given the popularity of this show is so great🤔 maybe one day we’ll get them you never know🔥
See not the only one. (I said the same thing)
The reason Ahsoka versus Maul was so pretty was that Ray Park the actor who portrayed Maul in Phantom Menace returned to do the motion capture.
Ok, now that’s cool.
The lady they got to do Ahsoka’s capture did an amazing job, as well. It takes two people to make that dance look as good as it did.
You could tell, there was certain moves that only Ray Park does. It was amazing
That was so cool tho
He fucking knew that, just acted like he didn’t so people like you would comment
What pisses me off more is that there’s an episode in the middle arc where the sisters and Ashoka escape their prison cell from the Pykes, but then the episode ends with them getting captured again in the exact same situation they were in the beginning. Like bro they literally just stretched out the arc. WE COULD HAVE GOTTEN A COOL GREVIOUS ARC AND BOBA VS CAD BANE ARC
I swear two of my favorite characters grievous and bane, only had two seconds for only one of them they basically forgot them
ALM media I remember watching the first Cad Bane episode where Anakin doesn’t have his lightsaber when I was like 6. For me after that, Cad Bane was the coolest character in the show.
And then after season 3 they pretty much just forgot about him
LillWawrence he showed up again in season 4 though didn’t he?
Apollo X Sins I agree, the arc was *ok* (FOR ME), but that episode was the worst in the hole season
@@EditedAF987 cad bane's last If I'm not mistaken was the cube arc where they try to take an assassination on the chancellor or something
“No one would have complained if it was only four episodes.”
Now come on, we all know that isn’t even REMOTELY true
Yeah but I think the last four episodes would've lost quality if they were dragged out for a whole season. Perhaps a movie would've been a better way of giving us what we wanted without all of the chaff.
Agreed. I think the episodes were necessary to get us emotionally connected to The Clone Wars again as the show was gone for a long time. So The Bad Batch reminded us about Rex's relationship with the clones, that he would go to extreme lengths to protect one of his fallen brothers, in this case Echo.
And the Ashoka arc, although it was dragged out, it developed her distrust of the Jedi Order as it was not only HER that they had failed.
So I feel that the additional episodes DID ADD to the final four episodes, and served as a good reminder.
Eric Carter That’s a good observation and you’re right they served there purpose and to that end I suppose their existence was justified. But I think a lot of fans (definitely myself) we’re connected enough already and I think that’s the portion of people who won’t enjoy those first two arcs. But without them most casual watchers might not have carried through with the rest of the season. A very good observation on your part.
yes, having the bad makes you appreciate the good even more, cause without the bad you wouldnt know good is
I think yes, Star Wars fans can always complain. I wasn't happy that we aren't getting a finished version of Crystal crisis. Others want all cancelled episodes back from the grave and even if we had gotten that, people like Marcus would still have said that they were diminished by the initial cancellation.
People who are going to see the Clone Wars with fresh eyes without seeing Rebels will absolutely love the ending though.
can confirm. i just finished it and i'm so happy that i've never watched rebels. the emotions that i got from the last few episodes were amazing tbh.
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@@livootherworld5756 I didnt intend to watch rebels but every star wars video i watched ALWAYS included a little bit of spoilers, so i already knew what happened :(
I didn’t know Ahsoka was in rebels while watching it. I only started watching clone wars a month before the finale
i did, i watched the clone wars in full back to back before i watched rebels and it was easily one of if not the best tv show i’ve ever watched, in so glad i got into it recently instead of being a star wars fan before and having rebels ruin everything
Maul when they caught him: “WAIT NOOOO YOU DONT KNOW WHATS HAPPENING IVE SEEN ALL THE MOVIES!!!!!”
Darth Maul: NOOOO YOU CANT CAPTURE ME YOULL BE DESTROYED FROM WITHIN
Republic: Haha clones go- **dies**
baseball god
I think you mean:
Republic: Haha clones go- **Wilhelm Scream**
@@sirapple589 that works as well
baseball god I hate how accurate this is.😂
Lol how could’ve Maul seen the movies he’s not on Earth you’re dumb lmao
“Mandalorian gets a 10/10”
Now I really want you to talk about Mandalorian
He’ll probably do a quickie when season 2 comes out
Hopefully he some day reviews Clone wars 2003
@@HoboTheHenry That would be fun, even if it's not canon.
@@8is RIP legends continuity
@@HoboTheHenry As far as I am aware, it was never considered to be canon.
Arc 1: Meh
Arc 2: No
Arc 3: RELEASE THIS IN CINEMAS IMMEDIATELY!!!
Covid-19: "Oh I don't think so"
I only disagree with your opinion on the first arc. Realistically, it was good. To me, it was great! 👍🏼
Oddwolf 799 Haha agreed, waaay better and I can’t wait for the show that will focus on them coming later in 2021. There’s so much potential to bring back other characters, explore amazing new storylines post-Order 66 & to further develop the Bad Batch themselves since they were pretty fun to watch and hear from as well! Very interesting batch of clones that I wanna know more of!! 🤩🙏🏼🔥💝
Nah bad batch was great
I consider the finale four episodes as a movie if people find this acceptable then I will consider it as my favourite SW movie deal with it bitchs
Even though I knew Rex was going to make it, seeing Jesse go was something else. He and his brothers didn't die for the the Republic. They died with it.
I tragic but fitting end to the Clones. They died as they lived. Being good soldiers, following orders.
Hey you grew a mustache
How are you everywhere?!
Which is weird because ARC troopers are supposed to be independent. Why didn't Jesse listen?
It feels wrong to see a meme account leave a good comment.
Nick V. I think because Rex said any clone who doesn’t obey will be demoted and executed for treason
The saddest scene was when Ashoka took off rex’s helmet and he was crying change my mind
**Waves hand** You will change your mind.
It wasn’t really sad because you knew they’d be mates a minute after.
Ty Geanoules I cannot change your mind you are extremely correct
**best** scene
James Lo he’s talking about after he got the chip removed not when we was fighting order 66
Maul was terrified because he read the script of Episode 3
“Hey what’s that over there, is that the script?”
@@nasaship7578 I got that reference
I love the prequels but goddamn that script, is just horrible.
@zan the man I like rots lol but I agree the script sucks lol
There was a script
Best scenes
- Rex refuses order 66
- Ashoka burying the clones
- Darth Maul vs Ashoka
- Darth Vader finds Ashoka lightsaber
- Echo is found by Rex
- every scene remake from episode 3
- maul vs the clones
Aboy Chap your forgot the scene when Maul killed all the clones in the hallway
Both maul vs clones scenes
Rex never really refuses order 66
He complyed with the order after 10 seconds of slight resistance and wanted to kill Ahsoka until she removed his chip
U forgot maul in the hallway and when he took down the Venator
I would even include...
- Darth Maul fighting the clones in the hallway.
- Ashoka reuniting with Anakin and Rex
- Deathwatch and the clones landing on Mandalore with Ashoka jumping and fighting from ship to ship. That scene was awesome.
Season 7 is like the perfect representation of Star Wars as a whole. There's okay stuff, really really goofy/bad stuff, annoying characters, amazing characters, and good/bad arcs. But when it's great, holy shit is it great.
Wesley Crawford i would like but u got 66 i don’t wanna mess it up
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Wesley Crawford clone wars, and Star Wars for that matter, might have some really low lows and really high highs. But when they actually try and work hard- it’s PHENOMENAL!!
That sounds like every franchise ever made.
@@silversunset It's a difficult balance to walk, but honestly, I continue to love Star Wars, the MCU, and DC because they aren't good or great all the time. It stays interesting because of that.
The Martez sisters arc felt kinda more like rebels than clone wars imo
It's just how Dave Filoni filler episodes feels under Disney.
@@vanitymanatee3202 Yeah idk, it felt like it had a younger target audience... But it's about the drug trade and the rest of the season is so dark.
3 weeks late, but THE most frustrating part was this entire conflict was caused by this idiot girl dumping the spice because her group was arguing. Like what the hell man, this plot is boring af.
Magicstuffandthings felt like a disney movie
It felt like a Hando side story. Filler.
"It is like this arc is the whole reason for this seasons existence"
Well... it is.
Then throw the other arcs...
If we didn’t know the outcomes of Ahsoka and Rex’s fate, I probably would’ve gone into cardiac arrest.
I didn't knew because I never watch rebels :P
@@hammadhasan5230 lucky bastard
@@Thomas-fk3xl 😅😅😅
@@hammadhasan5230 same, but I got spoiled of what the hell happened in that show yay 😊😊😊
And I watch some clips too cause frick it, I know most of the character's fates anyways
Marcus: "I don't rewatch something unless I really like it"
Also Marcus when reviewing shit: "So I watched it 2 times so far and it is okay"
Rewatching something to make a video about it is different than watching it because you want to.
@Hiazro Kailindo idiocy 1000
How the fuck does that even make sense?
@Hiazro Kailindo stupidity 100
I think he means tv shows. He’s mentioned in streams he rewatches movies pretty often
The last 4 episodes should have just been released as a Disney+ movie.
I'm surprise it wasn't. It would have been very fitting, the show started with a movie and ended with one.
I just bought disney+ to binge all of clone wars, I've never seen rebel and was completely on the edge of my seat for the last episode. truly incredible
fucking same dude same
Same here i had never watched it because i thought it was just a cartoon show for kids that wasnt canon. Then i heard it was canon. So it peaked my interest and i was hooked.
I just pretended rebels never existed. It’s better that way.
@@majorbruhmoment5711 well it does so your thoughts dont matter
I know of rebels, but haven’t finished it out. Most of season 7 was still fresh to me.
Honestly, I kind of think you missed one of the points of the last arc - you’re not supposed to care about Ahsoka, Rex, and Maul, you’re supposed to care about the clones obeying order 66. I feel like the stakes of the last arc and the suspense was about wether the clones were going to die obeying order 66, or if they would be saved. Especially Jesse. All of your points about the previous episodes before the last arc I 100% agree with.
Edit: Also, even though we knew it would happen, it’s more about how it would happen.
Thank you, I watched it knowing what happens because of rebels but that wasn't why it made me so emotional. To me this arc was perfect because the viewer knew what was going to happen but not how. We couldn't stop it we could only sit and watch, and seeing each characters reaction was like a punch to the gut each time. It's not about if ahsoka and Rex survived it's about how and what they had to go through
You have 66 likes.... I don't know if I should ruin it
Ok? I truly didn’t care about Jessie or any of the clones since all of the clones we actually cared about had already died throughout the series. They could’ve tied up the season nicely if bad batch came back but I just didn’t care about the nameless clones.
Biffyguy Biffy yeah, makes sense. They probably should have done something about that. But personally, I usually do care about the nameless clones, but you are right that they aren’t enough.
While the Clones are one of the focal points of this show, I think that we all knew the clones wouldn’t be saved. We knew they all had inhibitor chips and there was nothing that could be done to save them. Knowing how they survived is great, but that can never compare to the weight of the suspense we would’ve had if Rebels didn’t exist. We don’t see Ahsoka, Rex, or Maul anywhere else in Star Wars media besides Rebels, so without that show, it would’ve been so gripping to be in the unknown
It literally could've been the siege of mandalore arc and I would've been fine.
If they made just a movie I would have been okay with that. The show started with a movie it should end with one
The Nerd it could have been a movie
I would have love to see Son of Dathomir replace the second story arc. So the three story arc would cover some Anakin and Obi Wan plus clones, Maul and what happened to the Nightsisters and then Ahsoka and Maul + Order 66
But I think this version should be longer an additional episode for Son of Dathomir and Siege of Mandalore.
We still know nothing about mandos helmet rule....
@Duncan & Suzanne Thomas That was most likely created during or after the Empire’s Mandalorian purge. It was most likely put in place to protect the identities of Mandalorians so they were harder for the Empire to find. The rule probably stuck around even after the fall of the Empire as a tradition.
"It's hard to care when you know what happens to everybody in Rebels."
The same could be said for almost every other main character of this show. No one is watching this show to see the fate of the cast in the prequels, but to see their path leading to their fate.
@John Waters It's also literally his job to not just enjoy things.
The show, as it went on, focused less and less on the characters from the prequels and more and more on the characters we liked that were original to the show. So that's not really a valid argument, because, essentially, the prequel characters aren't as important.
@John Waters Reviewers, uh... reviewers are critics, dude. Is this a prank? Or are you only watching reviews that universally praise or condemn stuff? Because I really can't see how else you could manage to not know that.
And unless I'm mistaken, you've been implying that his opinions are the result of some mental defect, which, yes, is kind of a dick move.
@John Waters Cosmo? Nah, he goes easy on Star Wars. He's got different tastes than I do, but I can at least usually see where he's coming from-
WHOA WAIT WHEN DID THE R WORD COME INTO THIS
You're defending yourself by equating mental illness with intellectual disability and then using an outdated slur for it? Bold move. Let's see how it plays out for you.
Fun fact: The reason why the duel between maul and Ahsoka looked so good is because they used actors and cgi to animate the battle
Yeah, it was mo-capped as he mentioned in the video, and the guy who played maul in making that scene was Ray Parks, who played live action Maul in Phantom Menace.
isnt the entirety of clone wars cgi?
@@Nicooo Yeah but I'm sure it wasn't actual motion capture which is why some fights before had this kind of jankyness where they go really fast then stop for a second and then go for another attack and then stop for a second. Rinse and repeat
I remember when Marcus saw the trailer for clone wars and he was so hyped for it he said “give me 12 episodes with jar jar dancing with Ewoks I do not care”
Claiming that "no one would have complained" when talking about Star Wars will never be true
There will always be complaints!
Literally this entire video is one big complaint LOL
I can't believe they sacrificed Darth Maul's son of dathomir arc for that second arc! Piece of crap.
or the boba fett arc. That arc could've just never existed and be replaced with something better.
Yooo i didn’t think of that that’d be so cool if it happned
Pretty sure they didn’t choose that arc because it already had a book of it
I hate the Sisters arc just as much as everyone else bur I feel like it would've been kinda weird if we hadn't gotten an explanation to what Ahsoka did in between leaving the Jedi Order and then just randomly turning up on Anakins Venator together with Bo-Katan.
Or the Crystal Crisis arc; that one would have also been so amazing to see :/
Actually this season was too short. One actual Grievous scene too short
One son of dothomir arc, Kashyyk invasion arc with yoda, Dooku vs bounty hunters and ventress, Grievous kidnapping Palpatine, Anakin discussing with Obi wan on how sad it is that Ahsoka left scene too short.
I really don’t understand fanboys’ obsession with that lame character.
@@chadzahirshah2588 also there was gonna be an arc where ahsoka battles Palpatine through a door and it was gonna be so cool :(
@@Mateocabrera2389 watch 2003 clone wars
Any other arc will have been better than the sisters arc. We did no need to see ahsoka become besties with some meaningless characters
TCVH: *The clone wars season 7 didn't need 12 episodes*
Me: *the clone wars season 7 needed a better first 8 episodes, like 2 unreleased bounty hunter episodes, the 2 crystal crisis episodes, and 4 son of dathomir darth maul episodes
Christopher Moskosky I wish... 66th like btw
There are 4 crystal crisis episodes and they are all fantastic
Phantomato probably the best in the series in terms of showing Obiwan and Anakin’s relationship! Would love to see them produce more unfinished arcs
Don't forget the Dark Disciple arc with Ventress and Vos
Thank youuuuu, I also think since season 6 was basically a compilation of episodes and overall unfinished (its called the lost missions for a reason, they couldn't develop it as they wanted to because of the disney purchase), they should have added whatever s6 arc they didnt include. But ur spot on about the arcs, ive been wanting to watch them ever since they got released, would have been amazing. I think in terms of where it fits might have been cool if yoda interacted with bane in s7 than s6.
Can I just say that the most underated part if the last 4 episodes is the music. Like my god was ghe music was amazing. The synths fit so well with the art style, the universe, and the theme of whats going on.
The music just gives the sense of awe, wonder, and sadness that star wars represents in these episodes.
So can we please just appreciate how good the music is? Like watch back those four episodes and listen to the music.
Isaacreeper whoever did the score for the last 4 episodes NEEDS to do the score for the next Star Wars film
@@rorylennon4043 for sure
@@rorylennon4043 Kevin Kiner, he did the score for both The Clone Wars and Rebels, he did a fantastic job of it too
I've listened to it like three times in the last three days
i love it that they went the ominous synthwave route
"Season 7 is Fun Marcus is Just Mean"
I liked the entire season, especially the final arc.
@@Wade_Tyler but that's his opinion you guys can't just handle opinions
@@Blue-Apple-fc9eo opinions can be criticized dumbass
@@invalid_420 duh I already know that
@@Blue-Apple-fc9eo His opinions are pretty asinine sometimes. Aside from the fact he always sounds like a fucking stoner all the time (which I'm just saying cuz I don't see it said enough), he thinks the Original Trilogy is literally flawless, which is absolutely not true.
I listened to all his reviews of the main Star Wars movies, and it boggled my mind having to listened to so much of the harsh things he's said about really good, popular movies, that he just glossed over all the flaws in those movies while ripping the prequels to shreds.
I lost all respect for him as a reviewer after that.
I love how this guy said "Why do I care if echo found a squad of clones to hangout with for like the 2 weeks before they all turned evil and killed the Jedi" and then bad batch drops like hello there
Bruh right, tbh this is the only comment I found mentioning about bad batch
I'm kinda curious if cosmonaut is gonna do the bad batch but knowing him through these videos he probably won't but episode one had me hooked
And it has been very very mid
@@arcanum3882exactly it’s so bad
@@arcanum3882wrong
I think it is very likely that either Maul, Rex, Bo-Katan, and/or Ahsoka would have died in this final arc if Rebels was not made first. Because when the Clone Wars was cancelled, Dave Filoni brought characters from Clone Wars into Rebels because he felt it was the only way to finish the Clone Wars.
He was trying to make the best of an imperfect situation but had the original plan for the Clone Wars gone through where it was never cancelled and they organically got to the finale, I am almost certain one of if not several of those 4 characters would have died. I especially feel this for Maul and Rex, who's characters never really got development in the Rebels. The story and their characters would have been perfectly served if they died here to make the end of the Republic and the end of the Clone Wars.
Like this was not the original finale they had created for the Clone Wars. It was adapted and changed to so that it could fit with Rebels and that extends from minor things (like a character from the Solo movie appearing) to major things like character deaths.
EDIT: I see some replies saying Ahsoka would not have died because she is fan favorite, but that would not be enough to save her. It was always George Lucas's original plan to kill her off in the Clone Wars while Dave Filoni did everything in his power to try and convince him to let her live after the Clone Wars. However, with the purchase of Star Wars by Disney is 2015, Lucas was out of the picture and Dave's vision for Ahsoka won out.
And to be clear, I'm not saying Ahsoka would have absolutely died during this arc had Disney never bought Star Wars. I am, however, saying that killing her off in this arc was always a very real possibility and even more likely when Lucas was in charge.
Obi-Wan Kenobi lol and if he hadn’t included them in rebels then rebels would have been 100% trash instead of 75% trash
I feel that Rebels would have been a lot better if Disney wasn’t involved.
Honestly though, Maul’s death in Rebels works a lot better than however he would have died here. If he died here, it would have been impossible for it to be at the hand of Obi Wan, they likely never would have interacted. I already think that the Maul/Kenobi fight in Rebels is one of the best duals in the series (mostly due to its presentation, it feels very similar to the duals in classic samurai films, which the Jedi/Sith were originally inspired by), but I just don’t think Maul can die any other way than at the hands of Kenobi. That was his entire purpose for most of the show, he wants the kill Kenobi for what he did to him, and I think he needs to be killed by Kenobi to finish his character.
@@DuncStatus Disney is literally the only reason Rebels actually exists
I don't think maul should have died in that episode. I really love how he died in rebels
FYI: The Maul v. Ahsoka fight was mocapped with Ray Park as Maul
The GOAT
THAT IS SO COOL
I gotta disagree with ya Marcus, the season wasn’t for the story it was for the characters. You care about Echo being alive because he’s Echo, he’s the last boy from Domino squad. The middle arc is kinda shit I’ll agree and could’ve been condensed to 2 episodes. Then the last arc I don’t need to defend.
Me: I see 65 likes
Also, me: Execute order 66
I’d have preferred if fives was the last of the domino squad tbh seeing as his final arc was fuckin amazing
Zenron this is definitely it chief
The ending with Vader "silently" looking at the graves and Ahsoka's lightsaber was pretty powerful to me
I think that Marcus is too hard on the last arc. I think that the way the info was presented was interesting. We knew Ahsoka and Rex would survive, but we didn't know how, we didn't know how they'd feel about everything. I think that, given the Rebels problem, it should be a 9.
He gave it an 8/10... pretty sure he liked it.
@@Sambysaurus Yeah, I understand that, but I really think that the only flaw with the last arc is that Rebels makes it less suspenseful. If a 10/10 is flawless, then it really should be a 9/10 because the one flaw it has is due to corporate shit and bad timing, not the actual craft behind it
@@grantforgues720 You shouldn't pay any attention to ratings, they are meaningless. Just try to listen to what he is saying. He describes it as some of the best of Star Wars, that should be worth way more to you than the rating. I personally loved the final arc, and that is good enough for me. Glad you also enjoyed it.
I also think the bad batch arc was AT LEAST a 7
@@buddygamesdev i think the second arc was at least a 15 out 9
Bad Batch: Pretty good arc
Martez Sisters: Dumpster fire
Siege of Mandalor: Perfection
Damn Mexicans ruined the middle of my season, man.
@@louisgonzales7512 says the guy with Gonzales in his name lol
The bad batch arc was shit too 🙄🙄
Apparently perfection comes in the form of "8/10"
Leon Russell Alien space Mexicans are still aliens
th-cam.com/video/O1CQ7Vwz8Eo/w-d-xo.html
From my perspective, there's always something to enjoy from "The Clone Wars." Knowing what the outcome is doesn't have to mean there's no tension. It's witnessing the horror of Order 66 from another perspective. And they of course have problems, it's called the Empire and likely a shitload of PTSD. There's a lot to get out of Season 7; it doesn't all have to be high action or drama.
Anyhoo, this is all opinion. It doesn't mean anything except to ourselves.
Could not agree more my dude
I agree, I like Cosmonaut but it seems like he has a problem with everything. We shouldn’t of even got this season, we should be thankful that Disney listened to the fans for once. I do agree with the 2nd arc being weak as hell.
Yeah knowing about the outcome things doesn t stop me from being invested at all. But im also a person that doesn't care about spoilers n things like that
@@Coltboy00 He is a critic, it's his job to break apart elements of film and tv and explore why they work or don't. he enjoyed the show, he didn't enjoy having his time wasted with filler that in a final season farewell to a show he really liked, and I think that's fair.
he said he was having fun with it and for most people, the question probably would pop up, "Oh wow, how are they gonna survive this?" But if you already know they do survive you're just watching it to see how they do it, not to see if it works. kinda cheapens the experience.
@@Coltboy00 But he didn't say that it was bad. He just said it wasn't literally perfect. If you're saying that's not being "thankful" enough to the monopolistic corporation that almost single-handedly turned international copyright law from a shield into a sword and continually does stuff like remove gay people from movies to appeal to China, I'm gonna go ahead and say you've lost your mind. You don't need to be thankful. You don't need to give Disney praise. Star Wars will keep coming out regardless.
I personally missed grievous so much in this Season. As I saw him in this one shot of an opening scene, I seriously paused for a sec,that good did he look.But then he never shows up and it disappointed me a little bit.....
I never got the obsession people have with the character. Grievous is a shit character.
@@Mateocabrera2389 because he’s a cool badass character with good motives and sick backstory. He wasn’t the greatest in rots and tcw 2008 but in everything else he’s such a badass.
@@Mateocabrera2389 watch Clone Wars 2003
@@GreaseGrab so basically legends. In canon he sucks
@@Mateocabrera2389 Have you literally ever read his backstory? Or about his motives? Or why he was literally one of the strongest soldiers in this era, and arguably could obliterate Dooku? Until you have you have no room to speak.
“I think I’ve reviewed just about everything”
Aha, but what about the Christmas special, arguably the worst piece of Star Wars media to ever exist?
Focusisimpossible I wanna point out that that special is actually canon
@@jesusplayzhd3728 good for it
Still doesn't mean we have ot watch it lol
Leon Russell I feel like I should ask if you’ve seen the Christmas special. I promise you it’s worse in terms of both storytelling quality and execution.
Leon Russell I mean fair enough 🤷♂️
Well, Resistance is bad too. But at least, when Lucas realised what they have filmed he tried his best to make people forget it. And Disney is like:"we can put a star wars label on any shit, its our franchise".
I'm really surprised they didn't finalize the 'Prelude to Utapau' episode where Anakin and Obi-wan talked about Anakin's frustration with Ashoka leaving and how much it negatively affected him. I feel like that was an important episode to support Anakin's reasoning for saying 'fck the council' by RotS.
It was pretty important and I wish they put it in, but Dave explained why they choose the arcs that ends up in the season.
Bad Batch:
- Clone focused, especially at Rex
Martez sisters:
- World building
- Ahsoka's character development
Siege if Mandalore:
I mean it's the finale, why would it be cut out
@@hebthealien Ahsoka Already had character development
Asad Khan you could say the same for Anakin.
@@DARTH-R3VAN the character development of her after leaving the order cause really that scene where Ahsoka rants the Jedi Order wouldn't really make sense unless she goes through events that sets her mindset into that in which she believes the Jedi Order now only cares about politics
Still makes no sense for him to tell mace about palps then kill mace then help palpatine because of a vague promise to help the one he loves and the one he loves dies by his hand because of what palpatine told him, and he sticks with palpatine for 20 years. Makes sense. Ty George.
"it's hard to care about characters when you know they're gonna live."
Dude you've said this a couple times and you gotta get over it. A character arc is so much more than "will they live?" It's the characters reactions, what the seige of mandalore was like, maul and Ashokas interactions, etc. Absolutely no one watched this to find out if ahsoka, Rex, and maul lived through it, and that's not why the episodes were created.
Except they want us to feel that tension? Their survival is a fact and that fact is not respected when it's conveniently forgotten to make the director's job easier.
They put the characters in life threatening situations in order to create tension. That doesn't work if we know they are going to survive. It's lazy, cheating. Sorry, but you have to try harder in that scene, don't expect the audience to give themselves a lobotomy if they want to feel something in that scene. There's nothing forcing that scene to be there and to do that and go like that. It doesn't have to pretend that fact doesn't exist. It's just easier to do that.
Look at Solo. No, a Solo movie isn't automatically ruined by knowing Han Solo makes it out alive. Except what it does ruin is when there's a crazy action scene and the movie tries to make you scared they aren't going to make it, in order to initiate an emotional reaction. No. Sorry. You can't get tension from threatening a character's life when you know that character will be fine, it has to be more than that. But directors be lazy and seem to forget that and want the audience to forget that just to make their job easier.
Keep making it easy, I'm sure it will work out.
@@sorryifoldcomment8596 alrighty you're clearly very bored if you got that pissy to hunt down my comment to bitch at.
I don't care about the stakes, and these episodes weren't made for stakes. I know that mandalore is lost to the empire. I know that maul, Rex, ahsoka, and bo katan live. I know order 66 happens. We all knew these facts going in, and it's pretty stupid to think that filoni was trying to create life or death tension for these four characters.
There are different kinds of tension. Dread for order 66. Seeing maul absolutely terrified of what's to come. The discussion between maul and ahsoka. The tension between ahsoka and obi wan/mace windu. The tragedy of ahsokas faith in Anakin being false. Vader thinking ahsoka died, but still taking her lightsaber.
This is trying harder, and boiling down storyline tension to game of thrones is working against you. You need to give a shit about what's being presented to you, or stop watching.
@@sorryifoldcomment8596 But anyone in the future can see all the seasons without been spoiled by Rebels, so it's not really a flaw.
K. Flynn This season was planned prior to rebels. You don’t think that the creators would have preferred there being tension of not not knowing whether Ashoka or Maul survive Order 66? Either way, people are getting way too asspained about this point that Cosmonaut made. He’s not making it out to be some sort of objective flaw with the show; he’s just saying how it personally hurt his experience a little.
@@ArmadaX96 yeah but he's similar statements multiple times. I agree that not knowing their fates would've been more exciting, but acting like there's no tension whatsoever is false.
Also, considering that they did make rebels and then this season, they did a pretty good job with fitting in to the plotline they had to follow, and still making it interesting.
The bad batch arc, for me at least, was a really fun arc. This might just be because me and my friends attached ourselves to the domino squad for some reason, but seeing Rex reminiscing with that picture of Fives and Echo was really impactful, and seeing Rex not giving up hope of echo being alive to the point of going on a suicide mission to find him just hits hard.
I know at the time it wasn’t know but I’m pretty sure the first arc was meant as a back door pilot for the bad batch show, which makes perfect sense. Having an arc to establish these characters works perfectly in my opinion as it allows us to dive straight into order 66 in the show.
The first arc made me happy, because I’m pretty sure bad batch was originally planned for clone wars season 7, and I saw them on TH-cam as unfinished episodes. I also attached myself to domino squad, as the first thing I saw with clone wars was reading a book about domino squad (cadets, rookies, and arc troopers.)
yeah the bad batch arc is fun and if you watch the show right after it's great
I really loved how Rex mentioned Fives while hesitating to execute order 66
That hurt me bro. The feels. They shoulda listened to Fives rip
I feel like they should have made 2 more seasons of clone wars and added in all the unfinished arcs like the boba fett, asajj ventress, Utapau, and Yoda/Wookiee arcs
Some Guy I wanted a Ventriss/Ahsoka teamup arc. That would have been awesome.
He’s talking abt the dark disciple which is now in a book called that, I heard it’s good and I might read it myself
The Disney giveth, and the Disney taketh away 😞
Ventress got a novel instead, she died at the end
Ryan Borina I’ve read it, it’s good.
0:50 I don’t understand how that’s a problem when for the rest of the Clone Wars’ existence you knew EXACTLY what was gonna happen to most of the characters in the show. Anakin can’t die because he becomes Vader. Obi-Wan can’t die because he has to Protect Luke until IV. Yoda can’t die because because he has to train Luke until VI. And we know most to all the Jedi in the show are gonna die anyways, but that doesn’t automatically mean that you can’t have tension or worry for them in the show. If characters like that don’t bother you, then why should these few be an exception? That’s like saying the entire show of the Clone Wars doesn’t matter because we know where the majority of the characters end up. In simple terms, “It’s about the Journey, not the Destination.”
I think most other clone wars episodes had tensions and stakes unrelated to the main characters tho. Usually theres a seperate character or planet or something that is in jeprody and thats what the tension is built from. I think the best example is Obiwan's one girlfriend lady in all the mandalore episodes. You wanna see her survive and her planet be in peace but you dont know if the main characters can make sure that happens.
Compare this storytelling to the final Mandalore episodes where the tension is almost completly based on whether people we know that are going to survive are gonna die or not. These are just my thoughts so if you have any ither ideas that'd be cool i guess
The Last Donut Of I course I get it when it comes from the new characters. Stuff like the Umbara Arc probably does do the best in elements like tension, but I’m specifically talking about Characters they existed before the Clone Wars, because from his logic in this video, why should we care about them if we already know what happens? It just doesn’t make sense that you can’t care about what characters go through if you already know where they end up. It’s like with the Marvel movies. Most people expected them all to stick around because they knew they had to for IW, but you still wanted to see their adventures beforehand. Does that make sense? Idk, I just feel like some of the things he says are invalid with what he’s said before in other videos. :/
@@someguy7054 I agree but rebels sorta ruined the hype for this show finale bc it focused on rex, ashoka and maul the three characters whose fates are revealed in the rebels. I will say tho that this guy got over hyped for this finale and that sorta ruined his view of it.
Akindu Marasinghe Yeah, it would’ve had a much bigger if it weren’t for Rebels, but the entire Rebels and Clone Wars situation was completely out of the team’s control so I don’t hold it against them too much.
We all knew that the big main characters were going to live. But hes mainly talking about Ashoka, because before Rebels came out we didnt know if she died in TCW. Like he said imagine if Rebels wasnt a thing and while you watch the finale 4 episodes you could think Ashoka could die. Watching that would have been tense to watch.
When I saw that short shot of Grevious he looked TERRIFYING I wish they skipped the sister arc and gave us a new grevious arc because his new design looks absolutely incredible.
Should’ve had the kidnapping of the chancellor to happen right before Anakin and Obi Wan go to save him
First arc: pretty good. Second arc: absolutely horrible. Last arc: fantastically spectacular.
I like the idea of the 2nd but i hate how they made it, too long
@@johannlucas8125 I know! It could have been fine if it was like 2 episodes.
I’ll never forget where I was when order 66 was heard through the force in Ashoka.
I’m so tiered of hearing the surface level complaint of prequels that “cause we know they live there’s no tension”.
In Nearly all stories we know the main characters are going to live but scenes can still be stressful. Rewatching scenes full of danger is still engaging when done well despite knowing they live.
And good prequels (& most stories) don’t even derive their tension from the life or death but emotional stakes. Seeing Batman be pushed to the edge, even though we know he’ll live is still gripping if the scenes cantered on a goal or his restraint not to break his 1 rule.
I know right. I feel like his only legitamite complaints were "Martez sisters bad" and "Echo maybe being evil was dumb". But aside from that his only argument is "oh its dumb how thiis season got released later" but that doesn't effect how good the episodes were themselves.
Lonely Tent 2 Asoka & Rez’s escape was the most stressful action gripping sequence in Star Wars in my opinion. The overwhelming number of clones, Trying & failing to stop Maul from stealing the only ship, & the massive god of war scale set piece of the crashing Cruiser was amazing.
I mean it's still valid. Yeah most stories end with the main characters surviving but not all do and that shred of "will this be one of the ones where they don't survive" is what builds that tension. But if you know they end up okay it entirely dissolves that tension. Now it's just left to how good is the stuff they used to fill in the blanks. Thus why he said the last 4 are his favorites cause they filled in the blank with really good stuff.
If this had come out before rebels it would of had this tension of "do they survive?" because there is already stuff after this that Ahsoka and Rex DON'T appear in so the possibility remained that they could die.
@@TheGamingBDGR Agreed. This was the point made in the video, it would be a whole different type of tension if we didn't know the fate of these characters, that's what made them so interesting in the first place.
So I'm not really sure what OP is on about lmao.
Yeah though he has a point, it’s almost as if he was being paranoid to be critical about it. Scoring it out of fate was dumb. But he did have some well made arguments.
Bro this would’ve been awesome as a movie. Ending the series as it started
Yes! That’s what I thought! Bravo
Im keen to see a RotS supercut with these episodes or these episodes as their own film but i think the tension of waiting each week knowing what was coming helped with the impact that they had
It’s like poetry, it rhymes
some random ikr!
One thing i noticed, ahsoka ends up in the turret gun of a y wing, like her first mission
"I DrOpPeD tHe SpIcE"
OH. MY. GOSH. Don't get me started on that. And then they just go back to steal more? What the actual heck.
"Well, at least we got rid of the spice"
-gromega
Honestly, they should have cut out the Middle Arc, replaced it with the Cad Bane vs Boba Fett one, then had the last arc be the Umbar Crystal Crisis.
And then they should have released the Siege of Mandalore as it's own movie.
Then it would just be things that they have already released
The could have adapted Dark Disciple.. :(
I would not be surprised if the Martez sisters arc was something that Kathleen Kennedy wanted to include. It is very hard for me to believe that Filoni would scrap some of the most hyped stories of the unfinished season to give the fans a 4-part story about two boring women who look like they belong to a Latin American feminist movement.... That arc had Kathleen Kennedy written all over it.
@@NerdX151 yeah
@@NerdX151 Dave definitely wasn't behind that arc.
I'm saying it and I'm saying it again.
You can still tell stories if you know the ending.
I am rather glad these exist
Planag7 YES!! Thank you! I don’t understand how he complains about this season being predictable, yet he praised the rest of the show which came out after the OT as well... Yet i don’t recall him saying that the other seasons were predictable.
I didn’t watch nor care about rebels so the Ending at least for me felt good
Kristian R you should watch the last two episodes of season 2 to season 4 that’s the good part
i haven’t watched it either, but knowing about ahsoka, rex, and maul being in the show thru osmosis did dampen the experience
Mike Whale I just can’t after seeing the Lightsaber Helicopters and everything Ezra has done I needed to drop it at season 1 honestly I forgot so much of it that it really didn’t effect my overall experience for Clone Wars
Austin C SAME!! Never watched rebels bought heard about what happens to Ahsoka Rex and maul. I TRIED watching the show for the first time at s2 ep1 but skipped through basically half the episode out of boredom. I’m planning to watch only the important stuff with Vader maul and Ahsoka. So far I’ve only watched specific scenes on TH-cam because most of the episode are probably just filler.
Probably the worst part of the bad batch arc is how Echo never asks or finds out about Fives. Like, Echo and Fives were basically inseparable, and Echo’s last memory of him was him running to safety. It would have been so much more powerful for Echo to look around at the squad around him and ask where Fives was, and for Rex to break the bad news.
I mean, we all knew Order 66 was gonna happen at some point this season. Did that reduce the tension?
It increased it for me. My dread just piled up as more and more RotS moments got mentioned.
That's an event, not an outcome.
@@nokachi3339 That's debatable. Most events of a story are all outcomes of events and decisions that previously occured. Order 66 didn't happen randomly. It was part of emperor palpatines plan all along. It was inevitably going to happen.
@@nazeefchowdhury2226 we didn't know the outcome of that event though.
@@nazeefchowdhury2226
There is a difference between knowing that a fight is coming and knowing that a character is going to survive all the fights they will ever have in a series, because they are already shown alive in the future.
One gives you a feeling of anticipation towards what is coming, the other means that everything that's coming already has a set outcome.
Rex in Rebels: I didn't betray my Jedi
Rex in CW: well yes but actually no
I tried to, but then I got better.
From a certain point of view...
But Ahsoka was not a Jedi?
“Maul is like this show’s vegeta...and no I won’t elaborate more on that.”
Can somebody elaborate instead?
@@SteakSauceBoss no
Maul is this show’s vagina.
Maul is what
NICTATOR WTF
My greatest gift to my brother was telling him to watch season 7 before rebels and solo
What kind of brother or human being recommends rebels and solo?
@@JoelChenFa solo is fun, rebels sucks ass doe
@@JoelChenFa han solo is one of the best star wars movies.
@@JoelChenFa rebels sucks but Solo is a space western ok its pretty cool
@@katie7390 It suck's to you, but not to everyone else
Marcus: gives the last arc an 8/10
me: it's treason, then
Paulius Subacius His only criticism was that he knew certain characters wouldn’t die. And I’m just sitting there like: “Have you never rewatched a film?”
I really like how clone wars got you to love the clones throughout the 7 seasons. Then in almost three seconds, it turns them into faceless fodder, and that’s what makes it great.
If Hondo showed up in the Martez sister arc to start a war with the pikes that arc would be so cool. Imagine if to gain their freedom Ahsoka has to help Hondo capture the pike capital or something. It would have fit perfectly and been an awesome arc.
Anything but the sisters😂
Rishi this effort is no longer profitable!
Hondo is best boy of the series and definitely deserved an episode.
Rishi if we would’ve gotten space jack sparrow for mid season 7 that would’ve the most amazing season of all time!!!
I was 100% expecting Hondo to show up and then he didn't.
He complains that he knows what happens, but we’ve known what happens since the 80s
@Francisco Rodriguez Yeah that's true. Back when there was only five seasons, I used to wonder what it would be like for her to live as a normal person. So I personally was thankful for the episodes she was in, but if they stuck to the original plan without the Martez sisters, it could have been way better.
@Francisco Rodriguez Yeah I haven't watched rebels either, but it's been spoiled enough times on the internet so I know basically what happens. Also I watched the Mandolorian. But have you watched the bad batch? If you have comment is it any good?
@Francisco Rodriguez Yeah I think I will check it out :)
Yeah That's An Invalid Criticism IMO
Cosmonaut Markus: "That one blue girl"
Star Wars Fans: Distant Screams
*order 66 screams
ironic. 4:50
Why didn’t it say “cosmonaut quickie!” At the start of the video with the dancing skeletons?????
Also waiting for it, sadly there was none
yeah, it makes my day when I see those spooky bois
I dunno man I think the fact that these episodes came out after rebels and YOU YOURSELF admit to being sucked into the action AND EMOTION of Ahsoka and Rex's escape before remembering about rebels that just shows how good the writing is. Plus i think it paints certain scenes in Rebels in a new light. Particularly Ahsoka Tano vs Darth Vader.
@@ihatetheheat4524 Rex crying absolutely WRECKED me.
Yeah he complained a lot like the finale was purposefully made after knowing these characters would survive but there is no point since the Disney acquisition slashed in half CW without any guarantee for a future installment
@@Kyroro97 exactly. Plus for me and many others we're not fussing over "oh they live so what" we're too drawn into the ethical and emotional weight of what's going on in the moment.
The whole point of it was that that moment was spoiled because of rebels. That's his argument there. If rebels didn't exist those episodes would've been so much better like he said. And of course nobody could've controlled it but it still remains that it ruins some moments.
@@spaceface8504 it's a dumb complaint really-most people acknowledge that yes "OMG IMAGINE IF REBELS DIDN'T EXIST" but they also were sucked into the moment which again HE ADMITS happened. So why even bother complaining about the whole rebels thing
“Reviewed everything Star Wars.” Really, what about the best Star Wars movie of all time, the Christmas Special???
Never speak of that again.
I watched it, and it’s worse that you can imagine.
@@jacksoneee6759 not wrong lol
@@jacksoneee6759 what do you mean, the Christmas special is the greatest thing of all time. If you hate it, then obviously you love the abomination that was the last 4 episodes of clone wars, which is the worst thing to exist in the star wars universe
@@jacksoneee6759 i would gladly watch the holiday specail again. even if it's bad.
@@JayPannell I’m so sorry but, you had me in the first half, not gonna lie-
I'm still glad that this season was 12 episodes long, because it made Season 7 feel like a full revival, not just a belated goodbye. Plus if it was only 4 episodes then everyone would be complaining that there weren't more than 4 episodes, and the last thing we need is more Star Wars fans complaining.
Besides, all Clone Wars seasons are uneven. Even at it's peak in Seasons 3-5 there were still arcs that were bad and/or forgettable. But because of it's anthology format, you can just skip those arcs and watch the great ones.
Should have been:
1-4: Son of Dathomir
5-6: Boba Fett vs Cad Bane
7-8: Martez Sisters
9-12: Finale
Jack G bad batch arc was there to show rex’s feelings about the war and it’s toll. I’m one of the few who likes the Martez sisters arc because Trace reminded me of early Ahsoka and Rafa reminded me a little of myself, a little beaten down and surviving in a world much bigger than herself. But they did feel dragged out and cutting it to 2 episodes would have helped.
Fuck it, put the bad batch in there too. 16 eps and i would have liked them all
Fuck the sisters
Jack G I agree 100% I like the sisters arc more than the bad batch arc because other than a few good scenes with Rex I didn’t like it at all felt very kiddish at least the sister arc was setting up for the final episodes by putting more doubts into Ashoka’s mind about the republic
That would be crazy and I would love it
This video is like when you’re trying to reach a minimum word count on an essay
That minimum word count would be the 10 minutes mark my friend
@@lukedavies3508
>length of the video - 10:04
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@@lukedavies3508 I hate people who do that
Always remember that Disney cheated us out of 41 episodes of Clone Wars. (13 from season 6, 20 from Season 7, and 20 from Season 8 (this Season 7 was pulled from episodes of the originally planned Seasons 7 and 8)
Yeah, the legit Grievous is a threat arc, the Bad Patch pt 2 on Kashyyyk, Boba's Arc, the Yuuuzhan Vong arc, etc.
However, I have to say. Season 6 *WAS* released. Look for it. It's called Season Six: The Lost Missions, it has some pretty cool arcs, one with Windu and dare I say, a not annoying Jar Jar.
@@danielmdax I factored the Lost Missions into my calculation
If I hadn't I would have said 26 episodes from Season 6
@@XtoDoubt25 So not trying to be THAT guy, and I know it's pretty much the same amount regardless, but it's actually *40 because: twitter.com/Vandicoup/status/1291423709484535815?s=20
-- There has never been a season of TCW that went on for 26 episodes. Most was 22 and they followed that structure, for the most part throughout the series.
So, going based off that, it's actually 20 episodes for S7 and 20 episodes for S8 since, according to Wikipedia, there were 65 left back when it was cancelled, 13 became S6 and now 12 became S7, so 13+12 is 25 and 65-25 is 40. ;)
Of those 41 episodes, i guarantee you not a single one would be as good as the last four disney put out. They'd all range from martez arc to slightly better than bad batch arc. It'd be fun to see them, but we got the important one.
@@burkehinton5017 trust me, they sound amazing. Boba vs Cad Bane, Darth Mauls escape from Palpatine, Grievous Arc, Yuzhong Vong arc
He's right about the four middle episodes. They were boring.
Justin Peterson Bro I fell asleep during one of them
The problem was they were too long. Like, that whole story could've been a two parter and it would've had just as much substance. The Bad Batch had that really short episode where nothing actually happened, and then that dumb usual Jedi Savior making the local people fight the separatists. I feel like they should've cut those out in order to have an Anakin and ObiWan story with heavy emphases on Anakin's frustration and sadness. Maybe rework Utapau a bit? That would've been pretty sick.
Clacking Computer yeah but the point of those episodes were Rex, not Anakin.
Tom Ffrench utapau arc was good, but it’s a mostly Anakin and Obi Wan centered arc. Dave wanted Rex and Ahsoka arcs
The bad batch arc was fucking garbage too 🙄🙄
This season should have been longer they tried to rush this season, so certain parts such as rex not removing his inhibitor chip, or more aniakan being tempted to the dark side, ventresses last arc, boba fett and cad bane, so many great arcs that were discarded for what the martez sisters dumbassery.
Yes like you know KK somehow messed that up. I’m grateful she didn’t get involved in the last episodes but you know filoni did the Martez sisters arc to please his feminist overlord
Agreed, would loved to of seen a Dark Disciple arc with Ventress and Quinlan Vos.
AndreNitro X1000
the fuck are you smoking? the ahsoka’s walkabout arc was planned a long ass time ago, they changed it to two characters instead of one so they could actually get good character interactions
there’s absolutely nothing inherently feminist about having female characters, i would have thought someone that was a fan of this show would know that
i’m sure it would have been just as stale if they kept it the way it was
@@snitchbug Agreed however please understand these were unfinished episodes. Of the ones available nobody has any idea why they chose that martez arc (doesn't matter male of female)
Ravi Manne
yes that’s what i just said
If you think about it, this season was basically Clone Wars in a nutshell: An arc that was fun, action-y, and had cool characters with cool banter; the "meh" story that wasn't bad per se but still could've been better; and then the goddamn masterpiece that is among the best Star Wars has ever offered.
The sisters arc had a Rebels feeling
...and that's not good
As someone who liked watching rebels with my little brothers im offended...
@@thalukesta2112 hey man, you can watch whatever you want....that said rebels is shit
@@thedoomaster14 in your opinion
@@jasonsjustbetter2037 that's the opinion of a lot of people thought, including Marcus (the one whose video you are fucking watching)
@@thedoomaster14 and it's still a opinion, don't get offended when someone has a different view than you dipshit
Just because you know what’s gonna happen doesn’t take away from the enjoyment, in ROTS we know that all the Jedi are gonna die and that Palpatine is the Sith Lord and that Anakin is going to be Darth Vader but it still doesn’t take away from the enjoyment and emotional weight of seeing what happens
Yes but we didn't know which Jedi survived or not. In the last episodes of this season it kinda needs to make you feel the tension of if they will survive or not. But they will and we know for a fact they will and that takes away the tension of the scene.
@@spaceface8504 bit you could argue the entire clone wars series for at least the film characters has has no tension or point because we know order 66 happens
@@anotherhappylanding4746 yes but that's all we know. We don't know about Ashoka or the clones and every other character besides film. And yeah we know that order 66 happens but we don't know how it affects the other characters. So there is still tension and suspense. Had we known from the beginning everybody's fates then it wouldn't of been as exciting.
@@spaceface8504 I suppose but still doesn't mean that this season was bad like some people are suggesting
@@anotherhappylanding4746 whoever says the season is bad is wrong it's just the middle arc is really bad and the first arc is decent. The last arc is amazing but like I said it has no stakes since we know they all live in the end.
"Mandalorian gets a 10/10"
No questions asked, no explanation needed
If it was 4 episodes you’d have complained, everyone would have.
Exactly, the second arc kinda sucks, but the first one is supposed to get us back into the Clone Wars mood. We needed that one focused on clones only so we can get familiar with the series again.
Completely Agree, the bad batch is so clone wars it's unfair to hate it because it's what we wanted, the Martez sisters arc sucks but then we get 4 incredible episodes, everyone at the beginning of the season wanted like 20 episodes and now people say there should only be 4? Make up ur mind people
@@holden_7597 I haven't watched the season yet, should I skip the Martez sisters arc?
@@Nindroidgamer110 just watch the last episode if you really care about how ahsoka ends up back.
Nindroidgamer110 yes
Instead of a final season, I would’ve really enjoyed just a clone wars finale that was the last four episodes in a 2 hour movie.
Yeah, honestly. But then they couldn't have those famous juicy cliffhangers.
They could have made a season 7 with the bad batch arc, the stupid sisters arc, and those that where cut(look up in the comments someone pointed those out and damn they sound super cool) and then having this series finale as a 2 hour movie
I understand that he feels like the show is 'spoiled' because we know how they all end up. I don't agree with it, because there is a certain beauty in knowing how a certain thing unfolds, seeing the side of the story we never saw before, no matter what order we see it in. The satisfaction of seeing the pieces fall into place is an extremely subjective feeling and I get if someone doesn't see it that way.
I’m glad we got bad batch. Clone wars is anthology, it doesn’t have to be meaningful to the final main arc to be good.
Made me wish for a real republic command squad like delta squad
I don´t mind episodes that are not meaningful to the final arc, as long as they are good
Davey Jones yes it’s anthology, which is funny, considering in the TL, the ahsoka arc happens before the bad batch arc, now considering bad batch is part of the outer rim sieges
The final scene of season 7 just made me wish that Rebels had that animation style
Opacream and was good
Well, apparently the Rebels sequel will have that style, so good news?
And that storytelling. And not being targeted for toddlers. They should make crap like Resistance and Forces of Destiny for toddlers only, and the rest of the material for more mature audiences. And I don't mean teens or adults. Just not damn 5 year olds only. Rebels had a lot of that.
When the last arc doesn't get a 10/10: it's treason then
Cosmonaut: Just give me more Clone Wars! I don’t care if it’s all Jar Jar episodes! I just want more Clone Wars!
Also Cosmonaut: We got more Clone Wars...but was it actually all that great?
W
Like he said, that video was made before rebels, and rebels is what ruined it for him
@@tommonk8383 Marcus is an idiot
@@plosflow7556 then why did you watch his videos?
Who cares about the knowing or not the fate of the characters? There is many reasons why people rewatch films. I’ve rewatch the OT 100 of times, I know the fate of every character and the Movies are still great.
That argument is so dumb.
its like saying watching the prequels is pointless since you know what happens to anakin, yoda, obi wan, Palpatine and like everyone else
What’s ot
Flamin Ice original trilogy
J G oh right thanks
@@jam8539 many people are saying this
I can’t wait for when someone creates a machine that can wipe all my memories from the finale and rebels so I can watch this without knowing if Ahsoka and Rex Live or die
Atticus Smith nah just make a time machine so we can go back in time and undo that shit
Rebels I mean
Atticus Smith Filoni and team wrote those narratives so good in Rebels. It aided TCW Series finale. Just like The Mandalorian will benefit from TCW finale arc in season 2.
SwaggerLikeUz I’m not saying this because I think they’re bad stories I’m saying it so I can feel the tension of the final ark instead of knowing what’s gonna happen
I don’t mind that we all knew what was going to happen and that Maul, Ashoka and Rex were going to survive as I was just in it for the journey and to see how they survived more than if they survived.
Yeah because we already knew anakin would die in Return of the Jedi. So the prequels were ruined. *cough*
Exactly my thoughts
So judging the final arc as "predictable" because you'd seen Rebels already is massively unfair. Just because you know a character is going to live doesn't remove the tension built in the scene involving it. If you watched Aliens before Alien, would you just not care and complain because you know Ripley is going to survive?
It's a bias and it's pretty unfair to the quality of these last 4 episodes to judge it negatively because of that. What choice do these episodes have? Their plot doesn't know or care if you've seen Rebels already so it shouldn't (and doesn't) pander to either audience. It just tells the story it wants to tell and tells it well.
There is literally no suspense in the last 4 what’s the worst thing that could happen they lose mandalor
@@jakealexander9160 Imagine you never watched Rebels. Imagine you had no idea what happened to Maul or Ahsoka. Thats the story intended to be told, so that is the story you follow.
You sure you actually watched the video? He specifically says that he knows his complaints are biased and unfair. It's not like he hates the arc because of that, it's just his own personal nitpick. He even calls the last 4 ep of season 7 some of his favorite Star Wars things ever
But he judged it negatively despite confirming his bias. Basically saying "I know this is unfair but it's how I feel anyway." It goes against his previous complaining about Nitpicks and it's inconsistent to say the least, hypocritical at worst.
@HeronKij He tells us when he's stating an opinion. When he states fact he doesn't have to tell us because it's straight forward and we can all see it. The creators obviously wanted there to be tension in these episodes or they wouldn't have had Rex trying to save Ahsoka as they flew out of the Venator. That's why those episodes aren't as good as they could be. It's not a nitpick when it's literally about the suspense because that is what RoTS was about. The suspense of what happens to Vader. We know he becomes Vader but we don't why. The thing with Ahsoka, Rex and Maul is that they’re pretty straight forward and easy to predict.
Pretty much the fandom's reaction to the Siege of Mandalore arc is this: *Lay down. Try not to cry. Cry a lot.*
Accurate
Personally, I cried when Jesse’s helment was shown in the final scene...
Sword Man same here
Lol cringe
Cypress Mckendrick Not really if you've actually watched the show.
@@Cypress1600 It's makes it far worse, when you just said the word "Cringe".
@@Cypress1600 Fuck off. Are you a five year old trying to be edgy?
The Bad Batch show makes the first arc of season 7 way more important
I agree
No they kinda could’ve just released the first four season as the first four episodes of season 1 of bad batch or smth
@@Exonorm27 No they couldn't. The point of the Bad Batch arc in Clone Wars was to establish the characters and test the idea. Bad Batch serves as a sequel to the Clone Wars, much like Rebels. Therefore, for simplicity, the events of the show should take place after the Clone Wars, as it does.
Having overlapping characters in shows is fine, but having overlapping events (in terms of the timeline) split between shows is risky and requires the producers to add more scenes or details to show the audience when exactly something is happening, which detracts from the pacing and can ultimately ruin a show. Therefore, removing the Bad Batch arc from the Clone Wars and adding it to the Bad Batch show is a risky course of action, and is not the best idea, especially when season 7 of the Clone Wars is already fairly short.
Now, you could argue that the final arc of season 7 of the Clone Wars did the exact thing I said was a bad idea. That is true. However, there are some reasons that this risk paid off in a way that it can't for the Bad Batch.
1. The plot takes place during important events, and this is expressed to us with great emphasis. This isn't possible for the Bad Batch since there were no important events happening during the Bad Batch arc in the Clone Wars.
2. This plot gives the perspective of 2 main characters that fans want to see more of, and other established characters, such as Maul or Jesse that fans also want to see more of.
3. Usually, the Clone Wars tries to end each arc on a happy note, which draws attention to the arc as you watch it, since you are left wondering how it would turn positive for our characters. This is not something the Bad Batch show can do, since it has no history to draw attention to the direction of the plot.
4. After watching this arc, we see emphasis on the powerful message that the show has been trying to communicate all along (about individuality).
It isn't likely that the Bad Batch could have used any of these points above to pull off the same thing as the Clone Wars. Therefore, the Bad Batch show would have to use other tactics to encorperate the arc from the Clone Wars. What tactics they could use to make the time frame clear AND gain traction on the show? I don't know. That's why I think that it is unlikely that this could have been done well.
Bad batch was just straight up terrible besides the first and last episodes. Besides those 2 that entire show is literally just side quests.
I feel the same way, like I watched this with my dad, and he’s never watched rebels, and he loved the last four episodes, and the stakes were there for him, so I agree, I wish rebels didn’t come first, or rebels was a better show
Rebels had potential but failed
Saddest part is that it's not TCW's fault. It didn't deserve to be spoiled 😢
1st arc: pog
2nd arc: bruh...BRUH
Last arc: pog
based
While we know what’s going happen, I completely disagree that the final four episodes were predictable; yes, plot wise we know where we’re going, but the interactions between Rex, Ahsoka and Maul genuinely surprised me - character development certainly wasn’t predictable in my opinion
Fun fact for those who don't know. The duel between Ahsoka and Maul was actually motion captured, and they brought back Ray Park to do the mocap for Maul.
When Vader said “ “ I felt that
No offense but I find the complaint that you can’t enjoy the show because you know what will happen to be kinda ridiculous. If you make that complaint, I feel like you have to apply it to all of Clone Wars
think that ahsoka is not a character from the movies
Ahsoka and Rex are original characters
We know nothing from them except this show until Rebel decided to pull them out because their that desperate
why are people so stupid in the comments. NO you cant make that argument for all the clone wars, because most of the show focussed on people and planets we'd never seen before and had no idea their fates. Obi Wan anakin grievous etc were just some of many character throughout the show.
@@TrueNorthProductions Did you watch Clone Wars at all? There was a movie character in harm's way in pretty much every episode, in peril for the sake of tension regardless of whether or not we knew they would survive.
Oh no! R2 has been replaced with another droid and they think he's dead, but Anakin refuses to give up on him? Well too bad he's in a New Hope.
Anakin is deep behind enemy lines in a stealth ship and Admiral Trench knows how to blow him up in stealth mode? Well, he's contractually obligated to turn into Darth Vader in the next few seasons, so yeah.
Obi-Wan Kenobi is disguised, trying to survive a dungeon in Count Dooku's palace, surrounded by bounty hunters that would shoot him dead if they realized who he was? Oh, look at that. He hasn't killed Grievous yet.
Off the top of my head, the only good arc in this show where a prequel character wasn't in harm's way was the Pong Krell arc. Even Sheev got to be in trouble at one point, when Star Wars Godzilla chased him around.
I seriously wonder how anyone agreeing with Cosmonaut's terrible point enjoyed this show at all. Yes, I know that all these characters from the prequels are guaranteed to live so they can kill each other in movies that I've already seen. That doesn't mean I, or anyone else, shouldn't see the flaw in the argument that no tension can be derived from the situations these characters find themselves in. This argument can absolutely be made for the whole of Clone Wars. Some of the best arcs in the show revolve around the prequel characters and the trouble they get into.
Yeah we all knew snaking obi wan etc would have died but maul Ashoka and Rex we’re main characters and we had no clue what would happen to them if rebels never existed
I’ve always been someone who loves the clone-focused episodes. The first four episodes in this season I like even more than usual clone episodes because you get some cool Anakin stuff, some fun and unique characters, and some Captain Rex development
YES! Exactly what I've always been saying about TBB arc! Doesn't deserve all the hate it gets and is truly an underrated story! I soo loved that arc myself and am looking very much forward to their own show that focuses on the post-Order 66 era. Oh man!!
Same!!! Im just a sucker for clones tbh
@@liaminator4950 Yes, yes, YES! Man, I'm so glad I've seen ya'lls comments on here. Here I thought I was the ONLY one who ever loved the more clone-focused episodes and didn't always go on and on about the jedi, lightsabers and the force haha. That's all great and fun and epic too but man, Star Wars is not JUST about all that. Lot of fans think it'd be "dry" and "boring" without that but that's not true. Arcs like Umbara prove otherwise! And now we're FINALLY getting an ENTIRE SHOW for the clones, with only few scenes about the jedi, the force and lightsabers I hope! It's about DAMN TIME the clones don't get overshadowed and downplayed in THE CLONE WARS. :D
I wish it was
1st Arc about : maul
2nd arc about : Ahsoka (without the sisters)
3rd arc : the same thing. (And no rebels)
i like rebels alright but you have a right to your own opinion but im also guessing you disliked the way maul died
I love the clones. It's not The *Clone* Wars without them. Plus, that arc had a lot of other great moments too, such as Anakin/Padme, Obi-Wan, etc, etc.
Basically it should have been
1st arc : Son of Dathomir comic in CW style
2nd arc : Deleted Ahsoka Jedi Temple arc where she holds off Sidious
3rd arc : Leave it as it is.