Better Organic Supports for your 3D Prints
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ต.ค. 2023
- I just saw @MakersMuse video on his support settings, so I thought I'd share my favorite Organic Support settings for my larger prints + a setting that I cant stop using!
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WORD OF WARNING: DO NOT use the "Make Overhangs printable" setting if you're printing something with parts that you'll have to assemble later. It can change the geometry of the parts that have to fit together, which will, therefore, no longer fit together.
It happened to me, don't let it happen to you.
Do you know if it's possible to eliminate certain areas that you want supports when that settings is checked?
@@nickp385 it didn't seem like there was, back when I tried it, in Cura. But who knows, maybe you can now, or in other slicers.
@@alseid8709 OK thanks for writing back.
Wish I'd seen this sooner! I have suffered the same fate, not knowing that part of changing the geometry can actually cause the connection holes to be filled. Also found that the pieces have very different surfaces once this is done. They weren't even close to fitting.
@@nickp385 yea do manual supports or put support blockers in
For those who print in ABS/ASA. another super helpful tip for easily removable supports is to crank up the fan on support interfaces. Those filaments need less cooling for better layer adhesion, so when you want less adhesion for supports, turn up the cooling. Orca has a specific setting for "Support Interface Fan Speed". I would imagine other slicers have that as well.
ohhhh I wonder if that would also help with some of the PLA that i've used where it pretty much fuses with the part
That sounds super interesting. I gonna give it a try. Thx!
Definitely giving this a try!
Awesome tip!! Thanks for sharing, will definitely be giving this a go 👍🏻
Was just about to say that 😂 👍🏼
Just printed a 36 hr print with these settings and the supports came off like a champ!! Dude you rock.
Worth noting that the "make overhangs printable" is a setting that was added to Orcaslicer in the last couple of versions. It took several months of development.
I sliced a storage box with latch and lid today in Orca Slicer.. It had one perimeter of an overhang that was either going to fail or need 7 hours worth of supports generated around the entire print.
"Modify overhang to make them printable" saved me. It literally removed this one extrusion of an overhang and then bam! No supports needed at all.
Being a former Cura Kool-aid enthusiast, Orca Slicer has me now. It's so good, and slicing time is souch faster than in Cura.
Great settings tips, thanks for the tips on how to maximize tree supports. The printable overhangs option is so powerful, hopefully it will make it to all the sliders soon!
All the support settings videos! I just watched the MakersMuse video and I'm excited to have more information out here to get better prints!
I use those settings especially the branch diameter but another one to use if you just want the branches to withstand a tall trunk add a wall to the branch in the "Tree branch wall loop" and will turn your custom branches into the strong preset or even stronger depending on how many loops you add (strong has 2 by default).
Thank you 🙏 so much your setting worked great I was having a lot of problems removing supports It didn't matter which support it was. just finished printing a big print in the supports came out like butter thanks again 😀
I appreciate that you explained the settings your changing! My flimsy tree supports have been getting knocked off half way up, and I want to remedy this. I'd love to see a video of EVERY tree support setting explained - there's so much to know!
just did my first bust and used supports and def will look into Cura about that setting you mentioned in the end of the video. Very cool
Thanks for the tips. I just used slim tree supports in Bambu studio and it cut the filament usage down by well over 200… amazing difference
Of course these come out on the last couple hours of my longest print to date these would have been helpful to make it less stressfull! Thought i was going to loose my print and was definitely understanding where makers muse was coming from
"branch diameter angle" can also be used to make sure the tree supports are anchored down properly. If you increase it, the branches start out thicker by the bed and then become thin like they normally are near the model.
lol i put mine 2 zero for small prints its like perfectly uniform tree branches
Thanks for the info! Trying a troublesome print now with your suggestions
This was beyond helpful been running standard top surface at .2 mm causing fusing almost everytime. Life saver!!!!!
This is great! Thanks!
So good! I'll try these tweaks out - especially bumping up the branch diameter. The modify geometry stuff is wild but I'd be scared of ruin part accuracy.
HA, I JUST finished the Makers Muse video. Time for more info, especially for Organic. Thank you!
My main thought on the Makers Muse video as well was that you could accomplish similar results using organic supports by tweaking the settings. They are very versatile, but can take a lot of tuning. By varying the settings you can also dramatically increase or decrease print time.
Great tips man!
I’m not a Prusa Slicer user and use Cura 5.4/5.5 a lot. You’re right about support z distance. With larger nozzles and thicker layers, you definitely want to experiment with that setting (Support Interface). I also reduce support density to 2 or 3%. Much as people should run temp towers and flow cubes to dial in settings, I do support test prints since different brand materials can behave differently. So for my prints using a 0.8 or 1.0 mm nozzle, with 0.30 layer height, there’s isn’t a real golden rule on what’s best. Print safe and experiment with your settings 🤓
These are great tips
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I used your setting on my supports today and was amazing, they stayed stuck to the bed when I pulled my print off. Ended up with a prefect print.
I was just thinking, "aww, but what if I want organic supports?" And Uncle Jessy said, "I got u fam."😊
This is why this community is awesome.
Tried using the 'make overhangs printable' setting on something that had needed hollow areas inside and it filled it completely and made it solid, something to look out for.
Regarding those two neon green guys at the end.
What's the actual difference with them? Because when you tilt them, the failed one has a printed bottom and the successful one seems to be hollow?
Thank you….this has been driving me crazy but makes so much sense now….MOAR HELMETS
Very helpful!
Awesome information. question I have is, do you use Z-Hop feature with those tree supports?
I am extremely new to this 3d world new as in 1 day ago. Im using creality cloud since i have the ender v3 se. My supports dont have these settings at all. Is there another program i can use for this or am i sol?
What version of Orca do you have becuase the versions of Orca that I downloaded do not have that many options for supports.
Just a quick question. What version of Cura are you using? When I try to use tree supports it looks like a cocoon around my print and turns into a nightmare trying to remove it without destroying the model. Versions 5.0 and 5.5 are not working for me.
Did you use organic supports with SLA printers too? or it is useful just for FDM?
If I use that setting is it possible to make only certain areas still use supports?
Thanks for sharing ! Just subscribed to your Patreon. Way to go Uncle Jessy !
ty, very helpful
5:21 - Bambu Slicer has a setting under Supports called "Remove Small Overhangs". It sounds like this is their implementation of "Make Overhang printable" to some extent.
Does anyone know how in Cura you can get the bed adhesion layer on the outside of the tree supports currently it seems to only do it on the inside
Make overhang printable is very useful for something that might have protruding lettering, it just makes a small angle on the underside of the letters
Probably a silly question but where is your get orca slicer from for Mac? After doing several searches in there’s nothing obvious. Thanks!
These supports are slightly spooky looking. WE LOVE IT 👻
👀👀👀👀
is there a setting that affects branch density percentage in bambu studio
Thank you for this! It greatly helped. Before hand my supports were blocky, solid and pretty much fused around and to the portions I was trying to add support to. One thing I would have to ask is "when is it better to lay an object down or even flip it upside down for better printing results?"
When will your Elegoo Neptune 4 MAX review come? I can’t wait!
his last video wasn't a "review" per se, but it was totally all about the Neptune 4 Max, watch?v=a5Mu48y9QCE
He showed prusa slicer but i he doesnt share the configuration on how to im only using old cura which make support hard to remove and ruin print and made me return neptune 4 max
@@Worldofmikes I think he shares all has settings on his Patreon, so his N4 Max setting might be there
NICE. I had the z distance down, but never heard of that last setting.
Any Suggestions for support settings when printing PETG?
can organic supports be used for resin? and how?
in bambu slicer isnt it the 'remove small overhangs' one?
Nice! I was wondering what that “make overhang printable” setting did. Thanks! 5:16
if you have a prusa XL, why not just use dissolvable support material on one of the other extruders?
So it basically reduces the angle of overhangs?
What is the deal with Lychee slicer for filament printers? Is it any good? I love it for my resin printer but just got a Neptune 3 Pluss and was looking into what slicer to use or to just stay with Lychee. Help Uncle Jessy, you're my only hope...
when will you be getting the giga id love to see your review on it?
I'm not finding "make overhang printable" in the latest Cura.. is it called something else there? EDIT: Its under experimental
I became a Patreon supporter just for your config files, THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!! I mean, who can't afford $2/month?! Thanks again!
thanks!!! Neptune 4 Plus in progress
thank you
Are you going to show some settings for the Elegoo Neptune 3 Max ?
Hi Uncle Jessy, Awesome content. In one of your videos you said some thing to the effect of being willing to help with problems. I am looking for help with two things, First you said you could help with settings for the Ender 3 Pro print profile? Second I have a Sain Smart Corception 300 and cannot get it to work, the problem is once I load a print file and have verified a level bed the printer moves to it's start position then as extrusion starts the bed drops about 10 mm so all I end up with is is a plastic lump. Can you ( I hope) help me with this? Please accept my sincere thanks in advance as I have been frustrated by this for over a year.
Nice I need some new methods to use for supports!
what slicer you use ?
how to get similar supports in cura 5.6 ?
I just have an issue with smaller detailed prints. I feel like the supports cause warping to my item or weird layering issues
My main issue with organic supports is the slicer putting some beyond the print range on big objects, meaning it refuses to print.
There is no neptune 4 max settings on prusa slicer only on old elegoo
Cool!
Where did you get Neptune 4 max settings for orca Jessy? :D
I buy also a Neptune 4 plus and I can’t find settings for orca !!😢 can you help use Jessy 😅
I been using Orca Slicer and just using auto tree support for everything. Have had no issues on my Elegoo 4 MAX from small to large prints.
Are they hard to remove ?
I don't know if anyone has answered this yet, but what filament was used for the horns showed in the beginning of the video?
I found it if anyone else is wondering, it is Amolen silk shiny gradient, but not sure what color
Would these work in resin?
I've been thinking about using tree supports but PETG is SUPER STRONG and getting the parts off will be a huge challenge
There's an option in Bambu Studio to "remove small overhangs" isn't that the same as "make overhangs printable" ?
That's what I was just wondering. Wondering if it's just worded differently.
Having owned a 3dprinter just for a week or so, Ive also seen that you should also try rotating objects so you can use less support.
Also playing with infill, if it doesent need strength - a lot of people will say lightning 40%, but Ive seen some parts actually print quicker with a gyriod 5-20%, which is much stronger.
But some object do print slower with gyriod... So I am kindof like considering: what is needed and then slice, then try some other settings, slice. Compare grammes of filament used and print time, also considering that some times you may see print time reduce, but you increase the risk of prints not going well.
cant the top Z distance only be a multiple of your layerheight? so 0.25-0.28 makes absolutely no sense if you have a layer height of 0.2
Yay! Be well be you
+1👍 make overhangs printable 🤯🙌
Support critical not show, can anyone help please
Creality print has "Make Overhangs Printable" also.
nice video jess you could of put all your settings in a 3mf file .saving ower eye strain lol tip
whats the mas 0:24 seconds in?
I do not see the "support critical regions only" checkbox in my currently intalled verion of Orca (latest as of date)
I don't know if this is still an issue, but you have to change the style to Tree Hybrid to see that option. I hope that helps
Awesome 🇦🇶
time for me to convert to Orca slicer 😁😁😁
if I had to guess it's not in those slicers because it's FOSS licensed. I haven't paid tooooo much attention to the licensing of slicers, but I know the reason a lot of them are open source is because they *_have_* to be. As in, part of the license says 'if you fork this project and make a derivative it must share the same license, you cannot modify this code without making those modifications open source' and I've heard that at least the bambu slicer is proprietary. Again, flying by wire here, got no proof of any of this, but I'm guessing it's a feature that was implemented by the community as FOSS code meaning it can't be ported to proprietary slicers without them either using a GPL-condom or FOSSing their slicers.
Jessy, I love the idea of what the Prusa XL is, but the fact they don't have any more until sometime next year, the price, and also not knowing if it's going to need constant tweaks to keep it running well have me leaning towards maybe getting an AMS and either a PS1 or X1C. I've been 3D printing for almost 2 decades, and I'm so over having to spend more time constantly fighting with or repairing printers thank I am spending actually getting useful prints. I don't want the printer to be a project, I want it to be a useful tool for making other projects, and short run products.
Do you think I should put off getting a printer until the XL is available again next year, or should I just get a Bambu? I know how to manually tune printers, and keep tweaking them to keep them running, but I don't ever want to have to do it again, if possible.
I can't get any of my supports to print right.
It could be my printer but every time I use tree supports the printer head knocks them over eventually. Of course usually 12 hours into a 3 day print. I just don't trust them anymore.
z hop and avoid printed objects are your friend in this case, I used to have the same problem but since I switched on z hop the situation improved massively
"Remove small overhangs" button now in Bambu slicer...
Can you use them with resin printers?
No those are a different beast entirely
@@UncleJessy gotcha
that setting is not in Bambu because they just copy paste everything Prusa does and Prusa hasn't incorporated it yet.....easy answer!
Settings.
Ok... So where are the settings for the slicers people ACTUALLY use?
It's much slower in some cases though...
lol that was fast
I made my supports so good and easy to take off that every print with supports failed 💀
Can't wait for AI to come along and figure all this out for us.
Or i feel like theres too many supports
Tree supports are not the same as organic supports...
If you didnt already know... I literally have no idea what Im doing 90% of the time. I just like to print and show off cool stuff 🤣 But thanks! Now I know.
I hate organic supports. They are just sloooooow to print. Grid supports are faster and less complex to calculate.
But often you need way less of them than with any other supports, making the overall print time much faster. In Prusaslicer use the automatic paint on supports tool to only get supports where it is really needed.
I really don't make things that others have done. At least not blast it on YT. Be orriginal.