YET ANOTHER UPDATE! Microsoft is now saying even though you can technically install Windows 11 on older CPUs, you might not be able to get any updates, even security updates Unfortunately Microsoft did not communicate this to the news outlets until well after a bunch of articles and this video were published
A "bait and switch". You can however still manually go out and download the updates off of the windows update server so I guess you can still get "updates" but without a 3rd party tool most people won't be doing it.
I have installed win 11 on my laptop with i5 4th gen cpu without tpm and the update page says I won't be receiving any updates after official release. However I am getting beta updates.
@@CyberGamingStudiosOfficial uhhh, some people are still using Windows 7 still. Also you realize Windows 11 isn’t that good for some games. Plus most of us prefer windows 10 as we remember the interface better.
If it still requires a TPM, then I literally cannot install this new version without going out and purchasing a new laptop, even though my current one is working perfectly fine. Not going to waste my money and add to e-waste just because Redmond wants me to.
My main computer has no way to have a TPM as well. I'm in same boat. It's still good, so it's not reasonable to buy a new computer nor tossing out for e-waste. Unless Microsoft remove the TPM requirement, I'm moving to Linux when Windows 10 ends. Besides, Windows 11 looks like a total downgrade from Windows 10.
If you do want to upgrade and you do buy a new device. Use the old pc as a lunix or backup. Just so that laptop becomes fully useless or gets thrown in the trash. I do think it will still need tpm but that is my thoughts
@@metalvideos1961 I normally test systems and some things I program on a virtual machine. So that I don't damage my main system. Like for example, I've programmed something in Python that would set a syskey on a scammer's computer (I made it into a portable executable, so that I don't have to worry about it not executing on the scammers computer, and not having Python installed). A Windows 7 computer to be exact, because scammers still use Windows 7. Which when it sets the syskey on the Scammers computer, it will raise the system volume to 100%, and play a alarm audio file so loud that it would scare every scammer in the call center. And hopefully get the scammer fired.
@@pyp2205 haha that sounds awesome lol. but yeah i understand it. make sense that Virtual machine exist then. yeah i have tried windows 11 its a fun windows. i really would love it to have it. so lets see if it is true that i can use windows 11. still using a 4790K.
Installed it on my dinosaur core 2 quad system (14 years ago) and everything works fine...it seems like a move to get consumers to go out and buy a new computer.
The CPU generation is not entirely true. Kaby Lake and up supports MBEC, yet 7th generation consumer processors are not supported except for one chip added recently. (Edit: Hexality pointed out that many HEDT Kabylake X series processors are supported) And it's not just Zen2 chips on the list (which supports GMET, AMD's equivalent of MBEC), but also APUs that are Zen+ which do not support GMET. So, MBEC and GMET is not the only reason why.
@@LanXyTech its smooth but upgrading from win 10 to 11 is a big deal and you lost most of your shortcuts that you need, like shorter right click menu, just taskbar settings on right clicking taskbar, and much more, i personally installed it and rolled it back,
Technically speaking, they would allow users to install, but won't actually provide "official support". If a user experiences performance issues while using Win 11 on an unlisted CPU and write something on places like Microsoft Community, moderators and independent advisors will probably just slap a reply with the list of supported CPU and ask the user to rollback to Win 10. They will not care. Trust me, there are many non-tech savvies made crazy changes to their systems and complaints about terrible system performance or stability issues.
I have a 7th gen intel cpu and it's the only thing keeping me from upgrading. I pass all the checks, but the cpu. Interestingly enough, some surface devices have 7th gen cpus and MS made them compatible with W11 and my system is still "unsupported".
Microsoft thinks of themselves as so superior in the computer world that they have no obligation to explain to us lowly peasants why they are doing something. We are just supposed to say, "Yes, All Knowledgeable Ones" and follow their directives without question.
They don’t explain everything because the more they say the more controversy happens because of clashing opinions and philosophies with the customers (or because it's something they shouldn't say at all costs). That’s why many companies stay silent instead of explaining everything they do
@@mrankin2825 That makes absolutely no sense. If the upgrade actually costed current windows end users some real money to buy it ( in addition to the fact that microshit keeps making money off of the data they illegally mine from their end users and NEVER give them a cut of the sales), they'd DEFINITELY be bitching more loudly. Get real
@@motoryzenyou're making a lot of wild accusations. What proof is there that Microsoft has illegally mining uses Data. And I stand by what I said if users had to pay for Windows 11 they would have no problem sticking with 10.✌️
I refuse to enable secureboot. It makes running multiple OS or attempting recovery (of OS or data) unnecessarily difficult. All my machines have TPM, but SecureBoot is an absolute no-go for me.
@@berrysus4531 Well on a side by related-enough note...Gigabyte is begging for a sincere class-action law suit currently with how they're treating their PSU customers...big time. And plenty of their mobos throughout the past 2 decades have had more often issues than any other brand. I've seen this for my self and dealt with their on and off lackluster and sometimes even shitty and incompetent RMA customer support process and people behind the scenes. Sincerely, Stick to a better brand like Asrock, Asus, and even MSI.
@@motoryzen kinda too late now, needed a budget motherboard and fast cause i was tired of my old cpu, got a gigabyte one since it was the only one with the socket i needed then
I think it would be a good idea to update with the news that if you do a fresh install of windows 11 on an "unsupported" system, you will no longer get system and security updates.
I was able to upgrade to windows 11 with my Dell Inspiron 2-in-1 through the Windows insiders program. My laptop have a TPM 2.0 but is only a 7th generation Intel. I have no issues at all. The upgrade was done properly. They may just want you to buy a new PC.
MICROSOFT: Well, bless their little pea-pickin' hearts. ... and I HOPE Thio Joe will release a video showing how to do one of those manual upgrades when the time comes. Eh what?
Nooo… as a Linux user I hope this will still be too complicated for many "not so computer savvy" users so a lot of not so old hardware becomes very cheap on the used market. But this already means no used first and second gen Threadrippers for home data centre upgrades…
@@hamzix6599 Just because an OS is discontinued doesn't mean I won't be able to use it. Look at the people still using Windows 7 despite it being discontinued a few years ago.
I knew my PC was okay, because I had a fTPM 2.0 and secure boot on - (UEFI) also with an Windows 11 supported CPU. at least now I don't need to do so much work to install it, just gotta wait for the official release.
@@SKarboy_4 of course, happiness doesn't cost anything, and not everyday a new windows gets released, so this is pretty much a temporary rare time happiness, so you should be happy in general, but I know your maybe stresed about things, rhe best way to combat stress is to actually know what's causing it and try to solve it, you'll be more relaxed
He made an error. He said TPM 1.2. Actually, Windows 11 wants TPM 2.0. MS did put up a page saying 1.2 at first, but that was in error. The current requirements page on MS's site says 2.0.
Wow. I should have kept rocking with Windows 7 like you and I would have kept it just for the photos and paint which now I do not like in W10... @raisulamin2695; Keep on rockin...
@@asianjackass237, my employer already replaces computers every 3-5 years. Te replaced them last spring (before the pandemic shutdown), so te has a little extra time before it becomes a substantive issue. As for me personally, I’ll be retired by then and will have switched to Linux.
Well you could've just dual booted it, or just have it installed on a different drive. Like for example if you use a desktop computer, you could just have 2 drives reserved for each system. Like you can use one for Windows, and the other for Linux. I have been trying to install Ubuntu on a flash drive. So that I don't have to make more partitions for Linux.
It used to be that the software I ran required Windows to run smoothly. That's not the case anymore. Linux has an alternative for almost, if not all major software packages. I, for one, will be jumping ship once again. As my Main OS, the plan is to switch to either Mint or ZorinOS.
I will change to Windows 11 when Win 15 launched. Currently all my PC + notebook are still running Win 7. (Win 10 will obsolete some of my existing industrial peripherals without latest driver)
The TPM and secure boot requirements do not seem physically impossible to overcome. I had installed build 22000 of windows 11 on a 2008 Pentium E5200 running in legacy bios mode and all it took was opening a cmd in the installer and using dism to install the image on the hard drive. However I fear that this may not allow for any updates to be installed on the system without a clean install.
I'm glad Rufus now has the ability to strip out every single check and requirement on the installer . there's one catch thought . for people trying to write the windows 11 iso to USB using Rufus , you can't do the restrictions removal To the iso if your on windows 7. For some reason Rufus needs at least win 8 To be able to give you the selections at the main menu . If your on win 8 or 10 , Rufus will give you the write iso options to strip out secure boot requirements , and every other win 11 requirement. Hells , my pc is so old it don't even have boot uefi mode , I wrote the iso using mbr option , and the install worked .
ThioJoe failed to mention that if you install on an unsupported system, even though it may run, there may not be any updates or others when patch Tuesday comes around. I have a Acer laptop built in 2017 running Windows 11 through the Insider Program with no problems. The laptop has TPM 2.0 but the CPU is 7th generation Intel. The Insider Program tells me it does not meet the standards. Will have to see what happens when released to General Public.
Thats so weird, 40% performance reduce.. My PC completely supports DCH Drivers even though its dated from 2015 and I enabled the VBS Feature on an Intel Core i5 4440 and I cant feel any performance loss, the system is smooth as always and all my games didnt run slower than before. I even didnt have TPM and Im on the latest Windows 11 Dev 22449.1000, running just fine.
Someone at Microsoft has realised that their operating system will only work on a tiny percentage of machines as opposed to the majority, and thought maybe this is not a good idea🙄
If you bypass the tpm and secure boot in the registry and give them a value of 1 then download the windows 11 iso file and install it it will run great. And you will get the updates. I did it on my older Lenovo Thinkpad and it works perfect
This video wil save my crappy laptop with a Radeon CPU in it bc in MS Docs apparently Radeon CPUs aren't compatible with Windows 11 but it happens with my laptop that have TPM2.0 (my laptop costed around 300-400€)
3:48 but they are extremely hard to get, and it seems every make and model has different ones, and aren't cross compatible. when the news broke out about Win11 needed TPM, the sales of these items quickly sold out, and the prices have jacked up severely, worse than GPUs are now. Further motherboard manufactures aren't making these TPM modules anymore since they are old EOL motherboards since their existing motherboard product lines already have this built in.
@@Hexality I'm not talking about CPUs from the past 5 years, since not everyone is using a new CPU from the past 5 years. TPM has been around for well over a decade.
@@fragalot but I'm! TPM has been in-built into CPUs since 2016 and adding TPM to your motherboard via pnp chipset will not make the OS magically install on people's ancient hardware. If its to talk about TPM on mobo, even my second pc's motherboard from 2008 has tpm.
@@Hexality it doesn't matter that TPM has been built in since 2016, since even cpus FROM 2016, or 2017, or 2018, won't be supported in Win11, let alone older PCs with support for it on the motherboard. Millions of people have PCs that won't be supported by Windows11.
@@fragalot well, kaby lake has literally all requirements for windows 11 and yet they're not wanting to have it as supported DCH driver support: ok fTPM 2.0: okay VT-x and Intel Security Platform (Sandbox): ok yet they're not supporting it out.
I literally got win 11 working on my intel core i7 1st gen because I did a lot of research on how to baypass the minimum requirements and its super easy. Just extract the windows 10 iso file and the make a boot usb of the windows 11 iso and then replace the win 11 boot file win the win 10 boot file and then you will get win 11 on any pc just make sure you have a valid product key. My pc is extremely overclocked with a strong cooler and I also have a 1050ti and 16GB ram so there is no reason for a new pc. I run any game I want with decent settings such as GTA V, Fortnite, Red Dead 2 and Just cause 4 on win 11.
Seems like my i5-7200U should have MBEC and DCH, I would assume more 7th gen Intel CPUs would have as well, so it still doesn't add fully up as to why they cut it off from the list of CPUs
honestly, i have always been installing my windows manually, even windows 10 because i didn't want to deal with constant automatic updates so i would just install the latest stable build when it was available through media creation kit so this would really not be that big of a deal for me. In my case, just as in yours, i had met every other requirement except for CPU which is 6th gen i7 6700K which is still IMO more than capable CPU, or at least it should be
Win 10 LTSC 2019 is the end of the line for me. I have no intention of running Windows 11 on any of my computers and I say that as someone who has used practically every version of Windows since 3.x/95. I held out on Windows 7 for the longest time, simply because I quite liked Microsoft's old model: a fully local OS with 10+ years of dedicated support. Why they decided to alienate a sizable portion of their customer base with Windows 10 is beyond me. They insisted on switching from a "customer" model to a "consumer" one with rampant telemetry and data-mining that can only be partially turned off with 3rd party tools. The last vestige of their old model was LTSC 2019 (LTSC 2022 only has a 5-year support window), which is by all accounts a fantastic OS with a few nice improvements over 7/8.1. What I don't get: If the 10 year support cycles were breaking the bank, they wouldn't have offered 10 to every Win 7 and Win 8 customer for free and they wouldn't make it so easy to (even nowadays) install Win 10 Pro ($200 MSRP) with a $20 Win7 Pro CoA. I know a lot of people (especially working professionals) who need Windows for some program and would happily pay an extra $100 for an LTSC license for less telemetry and an ad-free start menu, but they've make it almost impossible for anyone to obtain it legally. They badmouth LTSC publicly, and force most who want it to just pirate it instead. They really don't seem to want their old customer base or their money anymore. Instead, they insist on a "consumer base" they can spy on and full control of everyone's computers (waking computers up from sleep to force updates without consent), and that model appears to be getting much more toxic with Windows 11 - i.e. forcing all W11 laptops to have a front-facing camera by 2023. I started playing around with Linux distros a few months ago and was very impressed with how far they've come since the last time I tried it in the late 2000s. Fedora 34 is very easy to setup and run out of the box. Debian Stable and it's more user-friendly descendant Ubuntu are great choices too. Massive performance improvements, much cooler running temps, much better efficiency, and choice. Sometimes there are learning hiccups but if you're increasingly hesitant about being a part of Microsoft's ecosystem, there's never been a better time to tap out.
I have Ryzen 5 2400G and its not officially supported because it uses old ryzen ravine ridge architecture which is kinda strange because windows 11 runs quite smoothly on my pc and it should be added to official compatibility list. I heard that we won't security updates though if we use on unsupported systems so im sticking with Windows 10 for now .
I've been an advanced IT professional for over 35-years and dealing with all things Microsoft for at least that long. They are a company of questionable intellect on many issues over this period of time. Headscratchers. As in, why in the AF does Microsoft do that?????
I have the Beta running on my gaming PC that I built in 2016 which has a 4790K, and it runs amazing, even better than 10 did, there's no notification to say updates will stop after official release for me.
As of Build 22000.160 windows 11 beta can still be installed without TPM. Just use DISM to convert the install.wim to install.esd with the version(s) you want. and put the install.esd in a windows 10 setup/install usb source folder you make with the windows media creator tool. This method uses windows 10 setup for the first part to copy all the installation files needed and bypass the TPM check that the windows 11 setup does before copying installation files. After the files are copied and the PC restarts, it will continue the setup with the windows 11 installation like normal. This should also work with upgrading as well if you don't want to do a fresh install. Legacy Machines without UEFI, you might have to use rufus to make a MBR/non-UEFI USB with the windows 10 ISO. Then just copy the install.esd to the USB source folder.
They should just say that you need this minimum to run at full capacity when install windows 11 even without but the new install will run little slower or will be a little water down version of the original. With in 5-10 years many will buy new computer.
ive been DESPERATE for windows 11 upgrade, my lenovo is ONLY 3 yrs old and the stupid software keep saying it dont have the requirements etc. i hate that and their rigid defaults
I just put two X99 systems onto Unraid. I now have servers that also run Windows 11 as VMs. Nice to repurpose older machines and give new life and function 👌
I have a ryzen 7 1700 system, system meets all requirements but the top one. Makes no sense to me really, they're kinda contradicting themselves there to push for cpu sales in a time where chipprices are high AF.
Guess this give me a good excuse to build a new PC, as my current one is 6th gen Intel with TPM 1.2 support on my Motherboard lol. From a security standpoint it makes sense, but its unfortunate for anything older than 2015 I take it.
This is good news. In my case, it doesn't help any of my 11 machines. several of them have TPM 1.2 but the BIOS doesn't have any controls to activate it. So, short of a BIOS update (Not likely since the last update was over 18 months ago for the newest machine), I am still out of luck. Three of the machines don't have secure boots nor do they have TPM at all. The T61, the T490, and my Toshiba are all out of the water. I figured those three would be completely off the list. The other eight I had hope for but they are a No Go as well.
The most affected are people who bought expensive high-end hardware from 2016/2017. Windows 10 security support ends in oct 2025. So all my 3 PCs from 2016 (i5-6400) and 2017 (i5-7600K, i5-7500) will become officially useless and unsellable. That's so stupid!!!! The only official solution I know is to install another OS for example Chrome OS Flex or Linux on it... But those OS maybe not great for the expensive graphic cards inside. I am the most angry about the depreciation (huge lost of €-value) of the harware because of the future minimum requirements.
wait a minute. TPM 1.2 was released/introduced since 2011, while TPM 2.0 was released/introduced since Oct 2014. If TPM 1.2 is bare minimum for upgrading to Windows 11, then my Esprimo K445/G might be included since it was introduced since October 2013, which would mean most Windows 8 PCs and some Windows 7 PCs are "supported".
Windows 11 CAN be installed on any CPU in fact. Even on machines without TPM (PTT). I did test this, after I installed Win11, I disabled PTT in bios and Win11 booted fine and everything worked just fine. What I'm trying to say is it will run on machines without TPM, you just have to find a way to bypass that check at installation.
@@argonauts56au1kera6 What I am saying is when Blizzard stops offering support for W7 to use its service. I will not be using Blizzard anymore, and I definitely won't use Microsoft virus 10 and variant 11 either as an internet OS. Microsoft will never be secure , and be trustworthy with current ownership.
It will only make your laptop slower if you didn't meet the system requirements of Windows 11 due to the ram and CPU usage. That's because of bloatware apps and updates which you don't wanna use the new version unless you had a new laptop
As soon as Microsoft announced the TPM requirements for windows 11, the originally cheap TPM modules for motherboards suddenly skyrocketed in price online. I’ve seen up to 6 times the original price.
@@timbo303official9 that’s what I’m more than likely going to do. My PC is getting old in the tooth and I think I might build a new machine at the end of the year.
My ‘older’ PC has Secure Boot and dual core CPU but no TPM, I successfully installed W11, however the amount of issues with legacy applications and games was such that I have reverted to W10. Even though I got a good look round W11, my opinion is that the OS is suited to newer spec PCs.
You got scared that Microsoft were limiting the hardware you can use, so you went to an OS that doesn't support custom hardware changes and definitely does not support your older PC. I'm not sure what you were scared of, but it was probably for the wrong reason. Mac's are way more locked down than Windows is.
I have been a Windows Insider since before the launch of W10, now running W11 dev builds on a "much too old" i5 laptop without TPM and with legacy boot. You can not opt-in without supported HW, but will not be kicked out if you are already in. And it seems many unsupported insider machines will get W11, so I think it is very likely that it will work even on the released version. But I think it is very stupid of Microsoft to do it like this. They should just allow installing on any machine that physically can run it. Giving a warning is OK. A lot of older machines do not have TPM, so this will "unofficially" let some more use W11, but still, hundreds of millions of machines will be unsupported and not allowed to install without tricks. That is just so rude and inconsiderate that MS makes itself wide open to legal action against them for wasting fully usable machines. So this doesn't change things that much, but it makes it more likely that most that want to upgrade can do it not matter what MS says... But I agree with many others that secure boot will probably not happen on my machines. Also, they have strict requirements for security reasons. But this can be the worst security decision they have ever made. Think what happens when hundreds of millions of W10 users realize that the machine they have is more than good enough for their use and do not want to upgrade the machine to get W11 and continue to use it after W10 support ends. That will level these machines not receiving security updates. One of the reasons for W10 was to gather "all" users on one supported version. Now they are guaranteed to make this situation much worse. The big HW divide was with the release of dual-core CPUs. Before that, you probably needed all the performance you could get and would still be limited. But from at least Core2Duo most simple web and office tasks, including 1080p video will run fine on most machines after that, especially since HW acceleration has matured, and a lot of users don't do any more advanced tasks. So many will have no need to upgrade for their own need, only because MS demands it. And that is for me and many others a very bad reason!
Wish I has the knowledge needed. At 70, it’s getting harder for me to keep up. I started using Computers back in the 70s when we had to type in the code to input a program. lol, my first home computer had 16 MB. I’m not sure I want to go to 11, doing fine where I am.
Yeah..me too. I switched to LInux Mint Cinnamon over a year ago 100%.lol. I avoided this shitfest of a train LONG before the tracks for it were even built. xD
bypassing those requirements will present issues with features that will come out when the full windows 11 is out (i.e, android apps) its better to stick with windows 10 till eol instead of bypassing because you want 'wiNdoWs 11"
I was in the process of building a new pc from scratch and just bought a tpm module for €15. No biggy I thought and I don't mind the extra layer of security there.
Just so you guys know....all you have to do is use a windows 10 install iso and replace the install package within it with the windows 11 install package of choice......the restriction checks are triggered by what files surround the win 11 package in the windows 11 iso
Microsoft always makes things stupidly complicated, and they still deny people who don't have a tpm chip, there is no good reason for requiring the chip. It's pointless, Microsofts doc is just full of BS. It works fine, I can deal with security risks. This disaster is going to still cause alot of systems not to move to 11. If I get a new PC I'm just going to move to macOS and use a iMac.
Posting this so others can know. I'm on Zen 1, wanted to try to install windows 11 with the media tool, get to the page of picking which OS, and once you hit next, it will give you a screen telling you, your pc doesn't meet windows 11 system requirements and won't let you go forward. TPM is enabled and I'm on 2.0. My computer meets all of their system requirements expect the fact, it's a Zen 1.
Linux Mint Cinnamon ( or Mate, or XFCE) installation = " athlon x2 6400 cpu from 2008?? no problem " Installation complete.....you can either continue testing or press Finish to restart your machine.. ( a few seconds later) Remove any installation media and press enter to reboot Enjoy an OS that ACTUALLY respects your privacy..has PROVEN exactly that for 11+ years consistently....lets YOU control ..100% YOUR PC, and OOTB is THE easiest and most gentle transition from Windows most have seen for that 11 years straight. Hmm....gee...tough decision. lol
I wanted to get Windows 11 so badly but I tried it on one old Computer and it did tell me about Secure Boot, TPM and CPU generation. I tried it on a much newer Computer and it still told me that "Your PC is too old sorry" but I found a workaround by Kevin Stratvert to bypass TPM and CPU generation and I also found a way by CyberCPU tech to enable Secure Boot so I could theoretically run Windows 11 on a lot of older hardware unless they were ridiculously low end Hardware.
YET ANOTHER UPDATE! Microsoft is now saying even though you can technically install Windows 11 on older CPUs, you might not be able to get any updates, even security updates
Unfortunately Microsoft did not communicate this to the news outlets until well after a bunch of articles and this video were published
A "bait and switch". You can however still manually go out and download the updates off of the windows update server so I guess you can still get "updates" but without a 3rd party tool most people won't be doing it.
@@warthunder1969 yeah
Maybe the year of the Linux desktop isn't dead...
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I have installed win 11 on my laptop with i5 4th gen cpu without tpm and the update page says I won't be receiving any updates after official release. However I am getting beta updates.
That's good and all. But I'll stick with Windows 10 for the moment.
Good luck stay on last gen is for years to come lol
I got Windows 11 insider a few months ago
Or linux?
@@CyberGamingStudiosOfficial uhhh, some people are still using Windows 7 still.
Also you realize Windows 11 isn’t that good for some games.
Plus most of us prefer windows 10 as we remember the interface better.
@@engineerbot there will probably some apps that will simulate the Windows 10 interface
If it still requires a TPM, then I literally cannot install this new version without going out and purchasing a new laptop, even though my current one is working perfectly fine. Not going to waste my money and add to e-waste just because Redmond wants me to.
My main computer has no way to have a TPM as well. I'm in same boat. It's still good, so it's not reasonable to buy a new computer nor tossing out for e-waste. Unless Microsoft remove the TPM requirement, I'm moving to Linux when Windows 10 ends. Besides, Windows 11 looks like a total downgrade from Windows 10.
If you do want to upgrade and you do buy a new device. Use the old pc as a lunix or backup. Just so that laptop becomes fully useless or gets thrown in the trash. I do think it will still need tpm but that is my thoughts
good news , windows 10 still gonna support direct storage with NVMe SDD , so there is no need for windows 11 vista
@@royalkumar795 there will be in 4 years when windows stop supporting windows 10.
@@chlorobyte_projects or Install windows 11 and Mac os on KVM in Ubuntu OS
Well I'll just try this on a virtual machine.
Same
Virtual machine always works i have already tried that. its not the same as installing windows on a non virtual pc system.
@@metalvideos1961 I normally test systems and some things I program on a virtual machine. So that I don't damage my main system. Like for example, I've programmed something in Python that would set a syskey on a scammer's computer (I made it into a portable executable, so that I don't have to worry about it not executing on the scammers computer, and not having Python installed). A Windows 7 computer to be exact, because scammers still use Windows 7. Which when it sets the syskey on the Scammers computer, it will raise the system volume to 100%, and play a alarm audio file so loud that it would scare every scammer in the call center. And hopefully get the scammer fired.
@@pyp2205 haha that sounds awesome lol. but yeah i understand it. make sense that Virtual machine exist then. yeah i have tried windows 11 its a fun windows. i really would love it to have it. so lets see if it is true that i can use windows 11. still using a 4790K.
@@metalvideos1961 I just imagine using windows 11 no download whatsoever
Installed it on my dinosaur core 2 quad system (14 years ago) and everything works fine...it seems like a move to get consumers to go out and buy a new computer.
windows 11 wasn't out 14 yrs ago
@@masterviper420 he is from 2034
@@masterviper420 he means that his cpu is 14 years old xd
The CPU generation is not entirely true. Kaby Lake and up supports MBEC, yet 7th generation consumer processors are not supported except for one chip added recently. (Edit: Hexality pointed out that many HEDT Kabylake X series processors are supported) And it's not just Zen2 chips on the list (which supports GMET, AMD's equivalent of MBEC), but also APUs that are Zen+ which do not support GMET. So, MBEC and GMET is not the only reason why.
Supported Kaby-Lake processors:
Intel® Core™ i5-7640X
Intel® Core™ i7-7740X
Intel® Core™ i7-7800X
Intel® Core™ i7-7820HQ [Only in specific devices]
Intel® Core™ i7-7820X
Intel® Core™ i9-7900X
Intel® Core™ i9-7920X
Intel® Core™ i9-7940X
Intel® Core™ i9-7960X
Intel® Core™ i9-7980XE
@@Hexality Thanks!
I think if they just figure out the TPM requirement they will avoid a disaster of a launch. My laptop was brand new in 2018 and does not meet specs.
My laptop was bought in 2016 and it supports everything except the processor
SAME lol
Yah it's going to be another version of Windows vista
Same, mine has everything compatible except the cpu
More like that they are launching something that doesn't want people to be poking into, maybe a serious backdoor to steal data for US spy agency.
I've literally everything except that silly processor generation Catch.
Take love from Bangladesh, Thio!
im from bangladesh too!
Same here. I'm running beta on my laptop.
@@khaled_hossain Is it smooth or laggy ?
same :))
@@LanXyTech its smooth but upgrading from win 10 to 11 is a big deal and you lost most of your shortcuts that you need, like shorter right click menu, just taskbar settings on right clicking taskbar, and much more, i personally installed it and rolled it back,
Technically speaking, they would allow users to install, but won't actually provide "official support". If a user experiences performance issues while using Win 11 on an unlisted CPU and write something on places like Microsoft Community, moderators and independent advisors will probably just slap a reply with the list of supported CPU and ask the user to rollback to Win 10. They will not care.
Trust me, there are many non-tech savvies made crazy changes to their systems and complaints about terrible system performance or stability issues.
I have a 7th gen intel cpu and it's the only thing keeping me from upgrading. I pass all the checks, but the cpu. Interestingly enough, some surface devices have 7th gen cpus and MS made them compatible with W11 and my system is still "unsupported".
And here's me who just installed windows 10 and was using win 7 ultimate for soo many years just because I loved it more than 8 and 10.
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im broke '='
no thanks
Im broke :/
*cant*
nah i'm good
Microsoft thinks of themselves as so superior in the computer world that they have no obligation to explain to us lowly peasants why they are doing something. We are just supposed to say, "Yes, All Knowledgeable Ones" and follow their directives without question.
They don’t explain everything because the more they say the more controversy happens because of clashing opinions and philosophies with the customers (or because it's something they shouldn't say at all costs). That’s why many companies stay silent instead of explaining everything they do
To be fair if this wasn't a free update no one would be complaining about 11.
@@mrankin2825 That makes absolutely no sense. If the upgrade actually costed current windows end users some real money to buy it ( in addition to the fact that microshit keeps making money off of the data they illegally mine from their end users and NEVER give them a cut of the sales), they'd DEFINITELY be bitching more loudly. Get real
@@motoryzenyou're making a lot of wild accusations. What proof is there that Microsoft has illegally mining uses Data. And I stand by what I said if users had to pay for Windows 11 they would have no problem sticking with 10.✌️
At least you can workaround it Microsoft allows it otherwise they be more cruel
I knew this was going to happen. I'm waiting until the last minute.
Same!
Yup
I will wait until I get a new machine. Why fix (upgrade) something that isn't broken?
I'm waiting until M$ stops releasing updates for Windows 10 - even though Windows 11 will install and run on my 1 year old PC.
I refuse to enable secureboot. It makes running multiple OS or attempting recovery (of OS or data) unnecessarily difficult. All my machines have TPM, but SecureBoot is an absolute no-go for me.
I'm with you! Secure boot is a NO!
@@Qwami secure boot bricked my gigabyte motherboard and i had to get it replaced through warranty
@@berrysus4531 Well on a side by related-enough note...Gigabyte is begging for a sincere class-action law suit currently with how they're treating their PSU customers...big time. And plenty of their mobos throughout the past 2 decades have had more often issues than any other brand. I've seen this for my self and dealt with their on and off lackluster and sometimes even shitty and incompetent RMA customer support process and people behind the scenes.
Sincerely, Stick to a better brand like Asrock, Asus, and even MSI.
@@motoryzen kinda too late now, needed a budget motherboard and fast cause i was tired of my old cpu, got a gigabyte one since it was the only one with the socket i needed then
Yep... If they force me to use secure boot i will absolutely burn my Windows partition.
I think it would be a good idea to update with the news that if you do a fresh install of windows 11 on an "unsupported" system, you will no longer get system and security updates.
I was able to upgrade to windows 11 with my Dell Inspiron 2-in-1 through the Windows insiders program. My laptop have a TPM 2.0 but is only a 7th generation Intel. I have no issues at all. The upgrade was done properly. They may just want you to buy a new PC.
Well, eventually might upgrade to windows 11, but not soon.
Love your videos, always look forward to them every week. keep up the good work!
MICROSOFT: Well, bless their little pea-pickin' hearts.
... and I HOPE Thio Joe will release a video showing how to do one of those manual upgrades when the time comes. Eh what?
Nooo… as a Linux user I hope this will still be too complicated for many "not so computer savvy" users so a lot of not so old hardware becomes very cheap on the used market. But this already means no used first and second gen Threadrippers for home data centre upgrades…
Why would you use Windows 11 for a home data center? Windows server 2016 would be much more stable if you wanted to stay in the Windows ecosystem.
@@LePedant You misunderstood. I hoped Windows 11 incompatibility would lower used prices so I can get cheap hardware and run Linux on it ;)
@@jannikmeissner Ah, makes sense. I'm still using dual
E5-2680V2 in my homelab. :/
Unless something major happens with Windows 11 that's for the better, I'll never upgrade to it, or even bother trying it.
dont worry you will windows 10 is shutting down in 2025
@@hamzix6599 Just because an OS is discontinued doesn't mean I won't be able to use it. Look at the people still using Windows 7 despite it being discontinued a few years ago.
@@teh_supar_hackr you just destroyed him good 👍
@@teh_supar_hackr i knopw but you will be missing new features like what win7 guys are missing (DX12)
I knew my PC was okay, because I had a fTPM 2.0 and secure boot on - (UEFI) also with an Windows 11 supported CPU. at least now I don't need to do so much work to install it, just gotta wait for the official release.
I was so happy when I saw the title
The happiness faded 2-3 minutes into the video lol
It's not genuine happiness, it's temporary happiness. Remember that.
@@kalaxian80music lol that's so true after I heard about the installation and stuff the happiness faded away
@@SKarboy_4 of course, happiness doesn't cost anything, and not everyday a new windows gets released, so this is pretty much a temporary rare time happiness, so you should be happy in general, but I know your maybe stresed about things, rhe best way to combat stress is to actually know what's causing it and try to solve it, you'll be more relaxed
Same
@@SKarboy_4 Microshit Binbows will never be perfect lol
You can actually just swap out a few files from the iso for windows 11 with ones from win 10 to bypass the requirements.
He made an error. He said TPM 1.2. Actually, Windows 11 wants TPM 2.0. MS did put up a page saying 1.2 at first, but that was in error. The current requirements page on MS's site says 2.0.
Still rocking with windows 7 since 2014
Hope you have an antivirus
Look, windows 7 is cool and all, but it isnt a smart decision considering that it reached its eol a year and a half ago.
Wow. I should have kept rocking with Windows 7 like you and I would have kept it just for the photos and paint which now I do not like in W10...
@raisulamin2695; Keep on rockin...
Thanks for the update. My employer will be glad to know this so that the company won’t have to replace the computers so soon.
four years to do so....
4 years to switch to Linux if they keep this up I guess
@@asianjackass237, my employer already replaces computers every 3-5 years. Te replaced them last spring (before the pandemic shutdown), so te has a little extra time before it becomes a substantive issue.
As for me personally, I’ll be retired by then and will have switched to Linux.
ARE YOU SERIOUS- I LITERALLY INSTALLED LINUX BECAUSE IT NEEDED NEW PROCESSOR
edit: i forgot it still needed stinking tpm
ok
Well you could've just dual booted it, or just have it installed on a different drive. Like for example if you use a desktop computer, you could just have 2 drives reserved for each system. Like you can use one for Windows, and the other for Linux.
I have been trying to install Ubuntu on a flash drive. So that I don't have to make more partitions for Linux.
So you upgraded, what's the problem?
Thats a good thing! Stay on linux!
@@pyp2205 Just dont.. use linux on a vm and then switch and uninstall windows
Having higher security is great. But it need to be optional not mandatory.
That will allow max support and high security where possible.
It used to be that the software I ran required Windows to run smoothly. That's not the case anymore. Linux has an alternative for almost, if not all major software packages. I, for one, will be jumping ship once again. As my Main OS, the plan is to switch to either Mint or ZorinOS.
This is epic but I'm still sticking with Windows 10 until EOL. I'll switch to Linux after that (I've been using Arch for 9 months and it is fantastic)
Indeed, fantastic it is .....
he uses Arch BTW
It least I have until 2025 to make sure all my games work on linux
Linux sucks
@@omegadaboi Its better than what Windows 11 is becoming.
I will change to Windows 11 when Win 15 launched. Currently all my PC + notebook are still running Win 7. (Win 10 will obsolete some of my existing industrial peripherals without latest driver)
The TPM and secure boot requirements do not seem physically impossible to overcome. I had installed build 22000 of windows 11 on a 2008 Pentium E5200 running in legacy bios mode and all it took was opening a cmd in the installer and using dism to install the image on the hard drive. However I fear that this may not allow for any updates to be installed on the system without a clean install.
I'm glad Rufus now has the ability to strip out every single check and requirement
on the installer . there's one catch thought . for people trying to write the windows 11 iso to USB using Rufus , you can't do the restrictions removal
To the iso if your on windows 7. For some reason Rufus needs at least win 8
To be able to give you the selections at the main menu .
If your on win 8 or 10 , Rufus will give you the write iso options to strip out
secure boot requirements , and every other win 11 requirement.
Hells , my pc is so old it don't even have boot uefi mode ,
I wrote the iso using mbr option , and the install worked .
Somebody DEFINITELY needs to make a petition for Windows 11 on 32-bit hardware.
Signed, I want to see windows 11 on windows XP hardware
I have it running flawlessly on a ThinkPad W530 and it’s running quite happily. It does have TPM and UEFI on it but it’s not activated.
Old cpu allowed moment
ThioJoe failed to mention that if you install on an unsupported system, even though it may run, there may not be any updates or others when patch Tuesday comes around. I have a Acer laptop built in 2017 running Windows 11 through the Insider Program with no problems. The laptop has TPM 2.0 but the CPU is 7th generation Intel. The Insider Program tells me it does not meet the standards. Will have to see what happens when released to General Public.
Everybody gangsta till Microsoft releases windows 12 and there's no way around the system requirements.
That is fine in regard to the CPU. But not if secure Boot & or TPM are missing. And it is all good that those 2 things are required.
I was so happy to see that i don't have to worry about requirements that are so strict
Thats so weird, 40% performance reduce.. My PC completely supports DCH Drivers even though its dated from 2015 and I enabled the VBS Feature on an Intel Core i5 4440 and I cant feel any performance loss, the system is smooth as always and all my games didnt run slower than before. I even didnt have TPM and Im on the latest Windows 11 Dev 22449.1000, running just fine.
finally I can use my Mac mini without being stuck on catalina
Try Monterey?
Does the 2012 Mac mini even support TPM? Or any other Mac?
@@axethepenguin There are some Macs that have TPM 2.0 compatibility. But Apple doesn't support it.
@@asadfarraj you need a 2014, I got a 2012
Fun fact: I have a tpm 1.2 (porobably software) in my i5 3570 dell system, after bios update (and this bios is from 2018).
Someone at Microsoft has realised that their operating system will only work on a tiny percentage of machines as opposed to the majority, and thought maybe this is not a good idea🙄
If you bypass the tpm and secure boot in the registry and give them a value of 1 then download the windows 11 iso file and install it it will run great. And you will get the updates. I did it on my older Lenovo Thinkpad and it works perfect
why install win 11 when you have win 10?
Loving the content btw!
This video wil save my crappy laptop with a Radeon CPU in it bc in MS Docs apparently Radeon CPUs aren't compatible with Windows 11 but it happens with my laptop that have TPM2.0 (my laptop costed around 300-400€)
Well me and my friends have a total of 8 laptops released after 2016(all around $500 to $600) and ALL of them have TPM 2.0
Pretty sure TMP 1.2 was released in 2011.
3:48 but they are extremely hard to get, and it seems every make and model has different ones, and aren't cross compatible. when the news broke out about Win11 needed TPM, the sales of these items quickly sold out, and the prices have jacked up severely, worse than GPUs are now. Further motherboard manufactures aren't making these TPM modules anymore since they are old EOL motherboards since their existing motherboard product lines already have this built in.
all CPU's from 2016+ have fTPM inbuilt anyways.
@@Hexality I'm not talking about CPUs from the past 5 years, since not everyone is using a new CPU from the past 5 years. TPM has been around for well over a decade.
@@fragalot but I'm! TPM has been in-built into CPUs since 2016 and adding TPM to your motherboard via pnp chipset will not make the OS magically install on people's ancient hardware.
If its to talk about TPM on mobo, even my second pc's motherboard from 2008 has tpm.
@@Hexality it doesn't matter that TPM has been built in since 2016, since even cpus FROM 2016, or 2017, or 2018, won't be supported in Win11, let alone older PCs with support for it on the motherboard. Millions of people have PCs that won't be supported by Windows11.
@@fragalot well, kaby lake has literally all requirements for windows 11 and yet they're not wanting to have it as supported
DCH driver support: ok
fTPM 2.0: okay
VT-x and Intel Security Platform (Sandbox): ok
yet they're not supporting it out.
Microsoft is making so much effort to prevent people from using their products...
maybe a 'fix' between themselves and computer manufacturers to deliberately increase 'obsolescence' and increase new equipment sales.... 😉
I literally got win 11 working on my intel core i7 1st gen because I did a lot of research on how to baypass the minimum requirements and its super easy. Just extract the windows 10 iso file and the make a boot usb of the windows 11 iso and then replace the win 11 boot file win the win 10 boot file and then you will get win 11 on any pc just make sure you have a valid product key. My pc is extremely overclocked with a strong cooler and I also have a 1050ti and 16GB ram so there is no reason for a new pc. I run any game I want with decent settings such as GTA V, Fortnite, Red Dead 2 and Just cause 4 on win 11.
This is the video i was waiting for
It's all about getting everyone to upgrade to a new generation of computers.
TPM what a pain
True
This is a kind of aberration.
Seems like my i5-7200U should have MBEC and DCH, I would assume more 7th gen Intel CPUs would have as well, so it still doesn't add fully up as to why they cut it off from the list of CPUs
honestly, i have always been installing my windows manually, even windows 10 because i didn't want to deal with constant automatic updates so i would just install the latest stable build when it was available through media creation kit so this would really not be that big of a deal for me. In my case, just as in yours, i had met every other requirement except for CPU which is 6th gen i7 6700K which is still IMO more than capable CPU, or at least it should be
Yeah but that 6700k will be 10 years old when MS cuts it off from support. That's a really long time to support a CPU.
my 6600 ran just fine on the insider program and it would let me update form windows update inside of settings, absolutely no workaround needed.
Windows 11 requirements are stupid, literally an 8th gen Celeron is supported but a 7th i7/i5 is not.
@@sorryshaktiman8688 yeah. it's ridiculous. I pass all the checks, but the cpu. I have a 7th gen i5.
Win 10 LTSC 2019 is the end of the line for me. I have no intention of running Windows 11 on any of my computers and I say that as someone who has used practically every version of Windows since 3.x/95. I held out on Windows 7 for the longest time, simply because I quite liked Microsoft's old model: a fully local OS with 10+ years of dedicated support. Why they decided to alienate a sizable portion of their customer base with Windows 10 is beyond me. They insisted on switching from a "customer" model to a "consumer" one with rampant telemetry and data-mining that can only be partially turned off with 3rd party tools. The last vestige of their old model was LTSC 2019 (LTSC 2022 only has a 5-year support window), which is by all accounts a fantastic OS with a few nice improvements over 7/8.1.
What I don't get: If the 10 year support cycles were breaking the bank, they wouldn't have offered 10 to every Win 7 and Win 8 customer for free and they wouldn't make it so easy to (even nowadays) install Win 10 Pro ($200 MSRP) with a $20 Win7 Pro CoA. I know a lot of people (especially working professionals) who need Windows for some program and would happily pay an extra $100 for an LTSC license for less telemetry and an ad-free start menu, but they've make it almost impossible for anyone to obtain it legally. They badmouth LTSC publicly, and force most who want it to just pirate it instead. They really don't seem to want their old customer base or their money anymore. Instead, they insist on a "consumer base" they can spy on and full control of everyone's computers (waking computers up from sleep to force updates without consent), and that model appears to be getting much more toxic with Windows 11 - i.e. forcing all W11 laptops to have a front-facing camera by 2023.
I started playing around with Linux distros a few months ago and was very impressed with how far they've come since the last time I tried it in the late 2000s. Fedora 34 is very easy to setup and run out of the box. Debian Stable and it's more user-friendly descendant Ubuntu are great choices too. Massive performance improvements, much cooler running temps, much better efficiency, and choice. Sometimes there are learning hiccups but if you're increasingly hesitant about being a part of Microsoft's ecosystem, there's never been a better time to tap out.
I have Ryzen 5 2400G and its not officially supported because it uses old ryzen ravine ridge architecture which is kinda strange because windows 11 runs quite smoothly on my pc and it should be added to official compatibility list.
I heard that we won't security updates though if we use on unsupported systems so im sticking with Windows 10 for now .
I've been an advanced IT professional for over 35-years and dealing with all things Microsoft for at least that long. They are a company of questionable intellect on many issues over this period of time. Headscratchers. As in, why in the AF does Microsoft do that?????
Let me gue$$$$
I have the Beta running on my gaming PC that I built in 2016 which has a 4790K, and it runs amazing, even better than 10 did, there's no notification to say updates will stop after official release for me.
after the manual iso install will we be getting normal software and driver updates...???.. or those will be manual too..???
As of Build 22000.160 windows 11 beta can still be installed without TPM. Just use DISM to convert the install.wim to install.esd with the version(s) you want. and put the install.esd in a windows 10 setup/install usb source folder you make with the windows media creator tool. This method uses windows 10 setup for the first part to copy all the installation files needed and bypass the TPM check that the windows 11 setup does before copying installation files. After the files are copied and the PC restarts, it will continue the setup with the windows 11 installation like normal. This should also work with upgrading as well if you don't want to do a fresh install. Legacy Machines without UEFI, you might have to use rufus to make a MBR/non-UEFI USB with the windows 10 ISO. Then just copy the install.esd to the USB source folder.
They should just say that you need this minimum to run at full capacity when install windows 11 even without but the new install will run little slower or will be a little water down version of the original. With in 5-10 years many will buy new computer.
ive been DESPERATE for windows 11 upgrade, my lenovo is ONLY 3 yrs old and the stupid software keep saying it dont have the requirements etc. i hate that and their rigid defaults
Watching this on my E7400 core 2 duo HP desktop with Windows 11 installed.
I got one today with Core 2 Duo E8400, 120GB SSD, 8GB RAM for $40 and planning to install Windows 11 too :)
@@sali-ali That specs will run it smoothly, even me on an HDD & 6GB of RAM run it fine.
I just put two X99 systems onto Unraid. I now have servers that also run Windows 11 as VMs. Nice to repurpose older machines and give new life and function 👌
Early! Also hope the catch isn't too big for my laptop!
I have a ryzen 7 1700 system, system meets all requirements but the top one. Makes no sense to me really, they're kinda contradicting themselves there to push for cpu sales in a time where chipprices are high AF.
I have TPM and secure boot but still can't get it installed 🥺
Guess this give me a good excuse to build a new PC, as my current one is 6th gen Intel with TPM 1.2 support on my Motherboard lol. From a security standpoint it makes sense, but its unfortunate for anything older than 2015 I take it.
Continuing to watch these videos even though I still have 0 intentions to go back to windows
This is good news. In my case, it doesn't help any of my 11 machines. several of them have TPM 1.2 but the BIOS doesn't have any controls to activate it. So, short of a BIOS update (Not likely since the last update was over 18 months ago for the newest machine), I am still out of luck. Three of the machines don't have secure boots nor do they have TPM at all. The T61, the T490, and my Toshiba are all out of the water. I figured those three would be completely off the list. The other eight I had hope for but they are a No Go as well.
My old computer: I already accepted my fate.
wait- im so confused, how is this comment 11 hours ago?????????????? wha- (the video came out a minute ago)
Umm... HOW DID YOU COMMENT 11 HOURS AGO?!?!?
Same bro
@@SkepFlightGaming he’s a member so he has early access to these videos
@@concretewall2748 Ok
The most affected are people who bought expensive high-end hardware from 2016/2017. Windows 10 security support ends in oct 2025. So all my 3 PCs from 2016 (i5-6400) and 2017 (i5-7600K, i5-7500) will become officially useless and unsellable. That's so stupid!!!! The only official solution I know is to install another OS for example Chrome OS Flex or Linux on it... But those OS maybe not great for the expensive graphic cards inside. I am the most angry about the depreciation (huge lost of €-value) of the harware because of the future minimum requirements.
wait a minute. TPM 1.2 was released/introduced since 2011, while TPM 2.0 was released/introduced since Oct 2014. If TPM 1.2 is bare minimum for upgrading to Windows 11, then my Esprimo K445/G might be included since it was introduced since October 2013, which would mean most Windows 8 PCs and some Windows 7 PCs are "supported".
''Your ancient CPU''
Well...
I can't quite find my 6502
The fact that they had the nerve to say that my 1950x is "old" and "not good nuff" is wack.
yes - I'm doing everything on this processor: davinci resolve, DCS world, even cyberpunk 2077. I have got linux on another partition
well, kaby lake has support to every single requirement and yet they only consider a few specific chips of the 7th gen as supported lol.
@@Hexality my i5 7400 is crying lol
@@XcylLencioco mine too 🤡
Windows 11 CAN be installed on any CPU in fact. Even on machines without TPM (PTT). I did test this, after I installed Win11, I disabled PTT in bios and Win11 booted fine and everything worked just fine. What I'm trying to say is it will run on machines without TPM, you just have to find a way to bypass that check at installation.
I think Microsoft still deserves to be deprecated as a company. Once Blizzard stops W7 support I am done with them.
What? How is 10 year support for an OS (Windows 7) not consumer friendly?
@@argonauts56au1kera6 What I am saying is when Blizzard stops offering support for W7 to use its service. I will not be using Blizzard anymore, and I definitely won't use Microsoft virus 10 and variant 11 either as an internet OS. Microsoft will never be secure , and be trustworthy with current ownership.
Are u still using 7 ? I am
It will only make your laptop slower if you didn't meet the system requirements of Windows 11 due to the ram and CPU usage. That's because of bloatware apps and updates which you don't wanna use the new version unless you had a new laptop
Windows 10 Punched Windows 11 to calm down on the requirements
As soon as Microsoft announced the TPM requirements for windows 11, the originally cheap TPM modules for motherboards suddenly skyrocketed in price online. I’ve seen up to 6 times the original price.
Your better off upgrading the motherboard at that point.
@@timbo303official9 that’s what I’m more than likely going to do. My PC is getting old in the tooth and I think I might build a new machine at the end of the year.
Windows 11 is a modern version of Windows Vista
My ‘older’ PC has Secure Boot and dual core CPU but no TPM, I successfully installed W11, however the amount of issues with legacy applications and games was such that I have reverted to W10. Even though I got a good look round W11, my opinion is that the OS is suited to newer spec PCs.
Dear Microsoft, make a decision now. They scared me and i already bought Apple mac
@pk5l ouip you can easily avoid it, just don’t use iCloud and you’re good
worse lol
You got scared that Microsoft were limiting the hardware you can use, so you went to an OS that doesn't support custom hardware changes and definitely does not support your older PC. I'm not sure what you were scared of, but it was probably for the wrong reason. Mac's are way more locked down than Windows is.
I have been a Windows Insider since before the launch of W10, now running W11 dev builds on a "much too old" i5 laptop without TPM and with legacy boot. You can not opt-in without supported HW, but will not be kicked out if you are already in. And it seems many unsupported insider machines will get W11, so I think it is very likely that it will work even on the released version.
But I think it is very stupid of Microsoft to do it like this. They should just allow installing on any machine that physically can run it. Giving a warning is OK. A lot of older machines do not have TPM, so this will "unofficially" let some more use W11, but still, hundreds of millions of machines will be unsupported and not allowed to install without tricks. That is just so rude and inconsiderate that MS makes itself wide open to legal action against them for wasting fully usable machines. So this doesn't change things that much, but it makes it more likely that most that want to upgrade can do it not matter what MS says... But I agree with many others that secure boot will probably not happen on my machines.
Also, they have strict requirements for security reasons. But this can be the worst security decision they have ever made. Think what happens when hundreds of millions of W10 users realize that the machine they have is more than good enough for their use and do not want to upgrade the machine to get W11 and continue to use it after W10 support ends. That will level these machines not receiving security updates. One of the reasons for W10 was to gather "all" users on one supported version. Now they are guaranteed to make this situation much worse. The big HW divide was with the release of dual-core CPUs. Before that, you probably needed all the performance you could get and would still be limited. But from at least Core2Duo most simple web and office tasks, including 1080p video will run fine on most machines after that, especially since HW acceleration has matured, and a lot of users don't do any more advanced tasks. So many will have no need to upgrade for their own need, only because MS demands it. And that is for me and many others a very bad reason!
I saw your Instagram story of this lol
Not big news for me since i already have tpm 2.0, but its good that more people can upgrade to a new OS.
i already bypassed these annoying requiements
Wish I has the knowledge needed. At 70, it’s getting harder for me to keep up. I started using Computers back in the 70s when we had to type in the code to input a program. lol, my first home computer had 16 MB. I’m not sure I want to go to 11, doing fine where I am.
Yeah..me too. I switched to LInux Mint Cinnamon over a year ago 100%.lol. I avoided this shitfest of a train LONG before the tracks for it were even built. xD
bypassing those requirements will present issues with features that will come out when the full windows 11 is out (i.e, android apps) its better to stick with windows 10 till eol instead of bypassing because you want 'wiNdoWs 11"
I was in the process of building a new pc from scratch and just bought a tpm module for €15. No biggy I thought and I don't mind the extra layer of security there.
Fear is a bealtiful thing sometimes, keep going ms but never forget..linux and valve are here to transform you in a thing of the past..
Yup. Steam Deck is based on Ubuntu Linux. Let's see where this goes....
@@Lostcontroller The old steam os yes, the new steam os is based on arch linux.
Anti-cheat game doesnt support linux
Just so you guys know....all you have to do is use a windows 10 install iso and replace the install package within it with the windows 11 install package of choice......the restriction checks are triggered by what files surround the win 11 package in the windows 11 iso
Microsoft always makes things stupidly complicated, and they still deny people who don't have a tpm chip, there is no good reason for requiring the chip. It's pointless, Microsofts doc is just full of BS. It works fine, I can deal with security risks.
This disaster is going to still cause alot of systems not to move to 11.
If I get a new PC I'm just going to move to macOS and use a iMac.
Im switching to linux if that Happens
Posting this so others can know. I'm on Zen 1, wanted to try to install windows 11 with the media tool, get to the page of picking which OS, and once you hit next, it will give you a screen telling you, your pc doesn't meet windows 11 system requirements and won't let you go forward. TPM is enabled and I'm on 2.0. My computer meets all of their system requirements expect the fact, it's a Zen 1.
Sticking with WIndows 10 till EOL
Windows 11 installation error would be - Your CPU is Ancient Send It To Musium And Buy New One To Install Windows 11
Linux Mint Cinnamon ( or Mate, or XFCE) installation = " athlon x2 6400 cpu from 2008?? no problem " Installation complete.....you can either continue testing or press Finish to restart your machine.. ( a few seconds later)
Remove any installation media and press enter to reboot
Enjoy an OS that ACTUALLY respects your privacy..has PROVEN exactly that for 11+ years consistently....lets YOU control ..100% YOUR PC, and OOTB is THE easiest and most gentle transition from Windows most have seen for that 11 years straight.
Hmm....gee...tough decision. lol
Linux time :D
yes!
I wanted to get Windows 11 so badly but I tried it on one old Computer and it did tell me about Secure Boot, TPM and CPU generation. I tried it on a much newer Computer and it still told me that "Your PC is too old sorry" but I found a workaround by Kevin Stratvert to bypass TPM and CPU generation and I also found a way by CyberCPU tech to enable Secure Boot so I could theoretically run Windows 11 on a lot of older hardware unless they were ridiculously low end Hardware.
Upgrade to Linux instead of Windows 11
Agreed
As a Windows gamer and technician, I won't waste my time learning Linux just to know that Windows 11 RTM does not require TPM anymore