I enjoyed this laptop. I did have similar issues with the drivers as well. On Windows 7 and 10. I encountered booting issues during that free upgrade to Windows 10. It sucks that you're stuck with the Intel GPU tho.
Roughly 8 months ago I noticed my old (dual core Intel circa 2010) Dell laptops with discrete Nvidia video stopped working well with windows 11. I had to put them back on Windows 10 and use the Windows 7 Nvidia drivers. Your video confirms that is still an issue. Thank you.
I had an M18 from 09 that I put 11 on before the cpu finally failed. It had dual graphics, 3.2 quad core, and 16 gigs of ram. Had to do the same as your video to get 11. It ran smoothly and had it hooked up for an hpc in my living room for streaming. Beefy enough for that. Loved the video!! Im all about keeping my stuff going as long as I can.
Because this is the same place that was photographed recently, there are wine grapes there now. It's Bliss Hill from the Windows XP wallpaper, located in Sonoma, California. Michael has a video about it called 'Bliss - The Story of Windows XP's Famous Default Wallpaper
well, i higher recommend to you install the modified intel gma 4500 m / mhd extreme plus 2 drivers made by nightmayor, even supports windows 11 as well, i'm being using on windows 10 but i have seen people installing it and working, and it's a really nice alternative than nvidia's unsupported geforce drivers on this one but anyway, just stick to windows 7 if you really want drivers working, but that was a nice experiment
@shirleydotxml Going on for quite some time now. Don't know how it is on PC, but it only takes 2 seconds with the smartphone to figure out if someone is a bot or not.
In my experience I have managed to do an upgrade from Windows 7 to 11 within the OS. I had to do a command where it loaded an alternative Windows Setup installer thinking it was Windows Server and chose the upgrade and keep all my files and apps option, everything went smoothly. You can find the command from the videos on TH-cam showing you how to upgrade from Windows 10 to 11 23H2 on unsupported hardware, if you’re interested.
Switchable graphics from the early 2010s is absolute hell. So many vendor specific HWID's that didn't exist in normal Nvidia drivers. You could try manually installing the newest ones specifically from DELL/Alienware, even though they're probably Windows 7 drivers, sometimes it just works.
You know it’s a good day when this man uploads. Also, isn’t this like when you installed a beta build of Windows 11? I am getting fond memories of that video.
Unpopular opinion: it was actually a smart move on Microsoft's side to artificially limit Windows 11's hardware requirements. Windows 10 supported essentially 20 years worth of hardware. That's a nightmare to maintain for developers. Through all that TPM and CPU check BS they limited the surface area for support and that might actually be beneficial for the quality of experience on supported hardware.
@@AndrewMackoul Those are from 2008, we're still talking about 16 years old CPUs. Still very old compared to the official hardware requirements which call for a processor no older than 2017 (8th gen Core i, or AMD Zen+).
I totally agree. I do also think they made it harder to bypass to really just solidify the fact that they're not supporting it, but not making it impossible
It is the compromise to solidify the computer security. Maybe we won't have this problem, but there are many companies and structures in the world that use outdated machines, with outdated CPUs and outdated OS’s, putting both their security and the users who rely on their services at risk.
So weird thing is I have this exact laptop. I think windows 11 is the main issue here. I run mine with Windows 10 Atlas OS. And I play even some modern games at respectable frame rates at native resolution. Only difference is mine has 8GB ram. I actually got mine out to make sure I wasn’t crazy and it runs portal 2 at native resolution on medium settings getting anywhere from 40-55fps. I’d drop it down to either windows 10 or windows 10 atlas os. You’ll be surprised how much windows 11 ruins this machine.
With the bypass microsoft account option in Rufus, if you have the system connected to the internet during installation, the bypass doesn’t actually work (but if you select the option to create a local account, then it won’t give you the prompt for the Microsoft account regardless) There is a way to add a bypass that works regardless of if there is an internet connection (where it will prompt you to create a local account), but rufus doesn’t use that
@truneosprinter Nope, every person who use Kaito Kid's pfp is awesome and cool, doesn't matter if they know him or not. Look at my username "KaitoJinn" is derived from the same guy on your pfp!
I love how when you relaunch rocket league at 21:58 , even the game window says it's "cooked" 😂 and then in brackets it explains that the slang "cooked" means not responding
I installed Windows 11 on my Acer Aspire Z5771 with an i5-2400S, 6GB RAM and integrated graphics and it runs quite well. I think the minimum to have a good experience is at least a 1st gen Core i CPU and 6GB RAM because of W11 being more resource hungry.
I encountered the same boot loop issue when installing Windows 11 on a 2010 MacBook Pro with a Core 2 Duo and NVIDIA graphics. To resolve it, I downloaded the graphics driver directly from NVIDIA before allowing Windows to install its driver via update. This approach worked well with the NVIDIA graphics. Note that this laptop didn't have graphics switching. On my iMac running Windows 11, I had to disable one of the graphics adapters to boot into something other than Safe Mode. I opted to disable the integrated graphics and use the discrete card, which has been working great. Again, I used the NVIDIA driver instead of the Microsoft-provided one.
The fact that w11 could run those old apps (and they work as designed) is just awesome thing. If you compare it to mac that usually has zero backwards compatibility this is twice the awesome.
I used my 2009 dell xps i7 desktop with an updated 4 gig 980 and it played pretty much every modern game I threw at it extremely well. That was back in like 2017 but still lol.
Hello MJD! I'm currently halfway the video and I think you should try tinkering with Backwards compatibility feature for the setup.exe on the GPU drivers I did that on a really old notebook laptop (it shipped with XP and I tried to update it to Windows 10 just for funsies) It managed to install the GPU driver with it set to Windows 7 compatibility (that one setting on properties)
I believe that if you downloaded the nvidia driver from the folder it would have the windows update gpu driver as an optional update from my experience with it
For the Nvidia driver, try going to the Microsoft update download center and grab the Windows 10 version of the driver, it should work. Or try installing driver booster, it should also do the trick.
With these old laptops with switchable graphics, you may wanna stick with the driver from the laptop's manufacturer. They don't work like today's switchable graphics. The Windows 7 driver might still work. Like this Alienware, my IdeaPad Y460 had a literal manual switch for the GPUs, which only worked with Lenovo's driver. Installing Windows 10 on it was a pain; you could not disable driver updates at the time, so Win 10 would always install an incompatible Intel driver that crashes the OS at login. Lenovo's old Windows 7 driver actually worked on Win 10, and I was able to use Win 10 offline w/o any hitches, so the auto update BS was the only hurdle.
@@KyanoAng3l0_Mtvtksnever use driver optimiser pro at any cost. That piece of shit ruined my nvme Intel controller and fucked my windows installation. Thank God I did a restore point at every time I download a driver. Also for some unknown reason, I couldn't access winre as it would stuck in a bootloop if I tried to access winre. I would have lost all my data if I didn't use system restore before updating my driver
Forget the Microsoft update center all together... Something weird was going on for him. Not sure if it was even the graphics driver causing the boot loop, but he should be using the drivers/software straight from Nvidia, especially for the multi-gpu thing which requires software from Nvidia to handle it. Some drivers Microsoft chooses don't always work properly at first and I still don't understand why. I know he's using 11, but what happened to me was, I had issues with my 2020 HP Envy downgrading back to Win10, the drivers the Win10 update was choosing were broken for some reason, the sound driver and track pad were acting weird (all supposedly factory drivers, no generics), and the one it chose for the gpu, they kinda worked but drawing was slower than it should be and I was having weird issues decoding video and stuff... and it wasn't using a generic driver, it was Microsofts 'latest' intel driver for my gpu, it just didn't work properly... Suddenly that was all fixed when I actually downloaded the proper the drivers/software manually from the manufacturer sites, and using intel's driver tool for the Intel stuff. Microsoft was definitely not choosing the latest/proper drivers for things, it lies lol. Don't know where the hell it got those drivers from... Once that was all fixed and had the working drivers, any future windows updates, also any new updated drivers it provided, and factory resets all worked perfectly normal... Never had to do it again. When you do a fresh/re-formatted install, Windows get's amnesia and doesn't know what to do with itself... It's bizarre. Windows needs the working drivers as a reference to get updates, if it takes a guess it doesn't always work properly even if it installs and they seem like the correct drivers.
@@exohio As I pointed out in my prev. comment, switchable graphics back in the early 2010s work differently, like that of my Lenovo IdeaPad Y460 and the Alienware M11x featured in this vid. They have a physical manual switch that lets you switch GPUs on the fly, which would require a driver from the laptop's own manufacturer, rather than doing it all on software and being able to use both GPUs simultaneously for different programs like my 2018 ROG laptop. Intel and Nvidia's own drivers never worked on those older laptops I handled. Installing them would cause a similar problem - the PC crashing immediately after boot or at login, which renders the laptop unusable.
It sucks because i had an experience like this a gaming pc from 2006 that my dad used it till 2023 till 2011 he used it after that his staff used it for his business after that at 2024 i got it with when i got it it had windows 7 but the original was windows xp when i got its dedicated gpu was complaint then swittched to integrated graphics onboard some boot issue with tiny 11 always crashing but in case of dell its ok my grandpa used a dell from 2005 till last 2023 now he is a mac so he gave it to me it doesnt have any boot issues but so slow driver problems dedicated graphics doesnt work
Ran into this recently too. Had a old laptop similar age, ended up disconnecting from the internet and downloading the latest driver for the GPU that I could. Installing it first, then rebooting to see if windows could still boot. That seemed to solve my bootloop problem.
In addition to that, Windows 11 24H2 requires POPCNT instruction as well as checks for SSE4.2. So, 23H2 is the last version of Windows 11 that can run on it And yeah, pre-WDDM 2.0 drivers don’t work well in Windows 11.
Pre-WDDM 2.0 driver still works on 11 for me. The problem for him is he does not install graphics driver straight from Dell website which cause problem for older laptop with switchable graphics
Yep. My hp elitebook 8440p exhibits the problem when you move the mouse from idle standby black screen, it’ll freeze the screen. Only ctrl shift win b fixes it. The graphics is NVS 3100m.
@@ckingpro probably you got unlucky I think because every device I got or experienced from WDDM 1.0 till 2.0 (yes 1.1, 1.2 and even 1.3 also) still loads fine and still have rounded corners.
Try swapping out normal windows 11 for Tiny 11 and disable all telemetry in T11 along with all mods you can think of may find some improvement. Just a thought.
I have a Dell laptop from 2014 with an i5 and 16 Gb of RAM which is perfectly usable with Windows 10 nowadays but it's out of the compatibility list. Knowing that 10 will be unsupported the next year I found this video useful when it's time to make the upgrade to 11.
12:40 You could try enabling both "Show accent color on Start and Taskbar" and "Show accent color on title bars and windows borders" and see if it applied custom accent color. I tried it when I was testing Madobe Nanami theme on Windows 11 a while ago and it did apply custom accent color.
you won't be able to install windows 11 on a laptop like this come 24H2. there is a new instruction set required that will make windows 11 refuse to run on CPUs below the 1st gen core i3, i5 and i7 processors.
I would not be surprised at all if there are user-created drivers for the that Nvidia mGPU. At minimum, I would probably try finding the latest drivers that do support it on an older OS version, and try to install that. If I get an error saying it's not allowed, I'd even tweak the inf file and try disabling driver signing temporarily to see if it will install. I have had success with this in running Windows 7 drivers on Windows 10. So, even if it doesn't work on Windows 11, it might be worth trying Windows 10, since that is at least a current OS.
I did have similar issues with the GPU off my old Dell laptop as Well. After installation of W10 it would always work a few minutes untill Windows automaticly updated the Graphics Driver. After wihich it would freeze and Shutdown. The only way to fix it was just to disable the GPU in the device manager. It even froze after i manually installed the correct Driver. Asides from that the performance in W10 is still really good, the only thing it struggels with is TH-cam Videos over 1080p and battery life even with a new Battery. Still using it to this Day.
same thing here with my latitude 7490 with UHD 620, the difference is when i use linux, i need to add extra kernel boot parameter "i915_enable.dc=0" to fix it edit: it's either that or i915.enable_dc=0
Now before i even start watching. I own this laptop (I have a AW collection from 2010 - 2021) and it works almost perfect under windows 11. If you have any issues, its your specific machine. This series of AW laptops from the 11 - the 18 were very well built machines and used extremely reliable hardware. HEnce why there are so many still around. Most other laptops from this era barely made it 5 years. I have the M17r4 on the desk next to me now just for youtube while im gaming on my deasktop. Love this series of machine.
It's more simple, Microsoft made a lot of "graphics drivers" by itself, lot of them not working properly. Last week I saw a computer with system disabled graphics card, because Windows thought time to replace the working driver with Microsoft made one. Not only user experienced lot of fps drops in their games, but later some of stopped working when I received the call. So I needed restore the graphics driver and turn off that annoying option in the system (it was well hidden), don't update drivers.
If I remember correctly, you needed alienware OSD so you could switch between intergrated with discrete or discrete only GPU. There was a key combo to switch
I have one of these. Damn reliable laptop. Doesn’t really work too well anymore but I ran with it windows 7 later to windows 10 all the way until 2020.
"Would you like to pin Microsoft Edge to your taskbar?" "No, we don't want to pin Microsoft Edge to the taskbar." Uhhh... I'm not _that_ blind yet, but wasn't it already on the taskbar?
I remember when I had to do this with a 2010 laptop with a GeForce 320M. The computer would just boot loop with the video driver installed, and it was was UEFI. I booted it with legacy BIOS instead and it installed and worked.
Note: you can remove the requirement of a tpm 2.0, etc using the command prompt in windows 11 setup that is what I did in my personal machine without a tpm 2 chip
Funny enough, The Dell G15 that I mainly use actually has an Alienware Control Center for some reason. It IS a gaming laptop so I can see it, and It runs Windows 11 fine (which it CAME PRE-INSTALLED when I bought it new) but eventually, I need to install a second SSD. Also if you know where to look, you can TECHNICALLY apply Windows 7 themes to Windows 11. Theme sounds like Garden, Beaches, and even custom sound can STILL be added (barring startup and shutdown).
I still use one of these machines as my diagnostics PC when I'm tinkering with retro laptops! It works great with Tiny10, but it was downright horrible with Windows 11, and mine has 8 GB of RAM.
You should see how the OG Windows 7 install works in comparison and also throw AntiX Linux on it too afterwards. AntiX runs so absurdly light while being very usable and accessible as well.
1. Windows supposedly does NOT support an i3 2100 (3,1gHz quad core) 2. Says my graphics card isn't POWERFUL ENOUGH (🙄) being a GeForce GT 720 3. 3.9 GB ram (absolutely absurd) 4. Secure boot "not supported" after being checked and unchecked again and again 5. TPM 1.2 even after upgrade (Windows, what the duck?)
I daily drive a Core 2 Duo T9900 with 4GB RAM and I find it to be quite usable. Only speed problem is caused by Windows updates/Defender running in the background and eating the CPU.
Just so you guys know, my dad has a laptop that originally ran windows 2000 and then he upgraded all the way to windows 7 and then younger me broke it in the win 7 era of it and then it got fixed(upgraded) to windows 11 and runs FLAWLESSLY. So win11 will probably run on anything
Gotta admit, Windows 11 definitely _looks_ like a more legitimate upgrade from Windows 7 than 10. Mica/acrylic looks like a minimalist Aero, you've got Gadgets (sorta), the taskbar looks like a more full-fledged dock now, and the UI is as animated as Win 7's. Never a fan of Windows 10's GUI. It's excessively flat/minimalist save for a few parts like icons, barely has animations, and it just feels boring and almost lifeless.
If you choose "English (World)" on the first Windows 11 install screen. Then the Windows installer wont install any apps or bloatware, just the bare system. Just a quick tip.
Coz you have way more RAM, that even handles windows 11 older build like 22h2. Processor might limit the performance coz of windows processes and it's first gen i7.. so yes, 10 is a way better option and 7 runs like a beast on that thing!!
My acer Aspire V5 that runs an i3 and upgraded the ram from 4gb to 16gb and a 1TB SSD running windows 10. It runs like a champ for a computer from early 2012. I love that thing it handles short Photoshop and Illustrator Mock ups no problem.
I have a sony vaio vpccw16fa (core 2 duo p8700 and a nvidia geforce GT230M) I managed to upgrade to windows 11 when it was released. The support ended for 200 series at around 2016 windows 10 versions were there at that time so it can work for windows 11 which is basically a modified version of windows 10
I enjoyed this laptop. I did have similar issues with the drivers as well. On Windows 7 and 10. I encountered booting issues during that free upgrade to Windows 10. It sucks that you're stuck with the Intel GPU tho.
Amazing!
I really need TH-cam to remove pinned comment feature like they did with the dislikes
bro is from the past
@@mctogo001 what are you talking about lol
@muuktoi simple answer: hate of 📌
I love how it asks you if you want to pin Microsoft edge to the task bar but even if you decline it does it anyway
Do you want to pin Microsoft Edge to the Taskbar?
[Yes] [Yes, but labeled as no]
@@ciach0_ pretty much 👀
Pin Edge?
[Yes] [No]
Let's pin Edge.
[Yes] [Yes]
If they were honest: "you are not in control here, and we're done pretending you ever were"
[Yes][No and we'd stop pretending we care]
you know i'm starting to think you are michaelsoft binbows
I had a dream once that Michael put out an April Fools video where he revealed that to be his legal name
😂@@nkmade04
I honestly am convinced he's Druaga1.
Or Falcon from Gameranx. I mean... just LISTEN to the voice!
@@nkmade04 Oh my god that's the best dream ever. 😂
4:40 I like how it asks you if you'd like to pin edge to the taskbar AFTER it pins edge to the taskbar, and pressing no thanks changes nothing
Roughly 8 months ago I noticed my old (dual core Intel circa 2010) Dell laptops with discrete Nvidia video stopped working well with windows 11. I had to put them back on Windows 10 and use the Windows 7 Nvidia drivers. Your video confirms that is still an issue. Thank you.
System 10 or 7 is much better for her
4:44 it’s already pinned to the taskbar
true
Makes it even more hilarious that it's asking... lol
this is hilarious and deep
Do you want to pin Microsoft Edge to the Taskbar?
[Yes] [Yes, but labeled as no]
@@ciach0_ nes
I had an M18 from 09 that I put 11 on before the cpu finally failed. It had dual graphics, 3.2 quad core, and 16 gigs of ram. Had to do the same as your video to get 11. It ran smoothly and had it hooked up for an hpc in my living room for streaming. Beefy enough for that. Loved the video!! Im all about keeping my stuff going as long as I can.
Your videos are just good! Love them!
Love the game choices on the desktop mjd!
The green field wallpaper reminds me of an iconic operating system 👀
Because this is the same place that was photographed recently, there are wine grapes there now. It's Bliss Hill from the Windows XP wallpaper, located in Sonoma, California. Michael has a video about it called 'Bliss - The Story of Windows XP's Famous Default Wallpaper
@@calligraphysthetic r/woosh
@@calligraphysthetic i know i even saw the video where mjd visited the place and took pictures
@@tropicalresolutionr/ihavereddit
@@Simurated r/thankyou@Simurated
I love your experiment & stress test in all OS without bias different from other channels.
well, i higher recommend to you install the modified intel gma 4500 m / mhd extreme plus 2 drivers made by nightmayor, even supports windows 11 as well, i'm being using on windows 10 but i have seen people installing it and working, and it's a really nice alternative than nvidia's unsupported geforce drivers on this one
but anyway, just stick to windows 7 if you really want drivers working, but that was a nice experiment
Thank you, MJD, for this video. You made my day better. Keep going.
Babe wake up, Michael MJD just uploaded
Lmao
Babe wake up, everything went wrong is going to be in the title
_Squints against the sun._ You know I told you to only wake me up if he tries to game on a Core 2 Du-... oh my god.
Babe wake up, people still use this overused joke.
Thanks for telling me Babe!
For some reason, these Alienware devices look so amazing to me
I like these older ones ,I was gonna get a used one before I considered getting something else cause my old laptop was a piece of crap
@shirleydotxml Why the fuck are your parents allowing you on the internet unsupervised?
@shirleydotxmlIt's a bot
@shirleydotxml Going on for quite some time now.
Don't know how it is on PC, but it only takes 2 seconds with the smartphone to figure out if someone is a bot or not.
You don't look like a member to me@Y-PermCubing
2:53 that OEM is crazy
3:45 "...restore this Mac to its factory settings" proofs you're just human, too! Love your videos, keep up the great work!
"restore this *back* to factory settings"
In my experience I have managed to do an upgrade from Windows 7 to 11 within the OS. I had to do a command where it loaded an alternative Windows Setup installer thinking it was Windows Server and chose the upgrade and keep all my files and apps option, everything went smoothly.
You can find the command from the videos on TH-cam showing you how to upgrade from Windows 10 to 11 23H2 on unsupported hardware, if you’re interested.
10 is enough, but 11 will be terribly slow.
Hey, MichaelMJD! Love your videos!
Switchable graphics from the early 2010s is absolute hell.
So many vendor specific HWID's that didn't exist in normal Nvidia drivers.
You could try manually installing the newest ones specifically from DELL/Alienware, even though they're probably Windows 7 drivers, sometimes it just works.
i had a sony vaio with an nvidia 330m and it was so shit having to get tye drivers from them
You know it’s a good day when this man uploads. Also, isn’t this like when you installed a beta build of Windows 11? I am getting fond memories of that video.
I love to watch your videos when i'm bored. Thanks for your amazing content
yay!!! new video, love your videos bro!!
Michael please give us the content we’ve been waiting for. We need ice tray reviews
Bro.
it may sounds wierd but, i love your voice , and your video ofc (:
"Definitely not the most playable that I've ever seen Portal."
Gotta love that Michael MJD understatement.
Unpopular opinion: it was actually a smart move on Microsoft's side to artificially limit Windows 11's hardware requirements. Windows 10 supported essentially 20 years worth of hardware. That's a nightmare to maintain for developers. Through all that TPM and CPU check BS they limited the surface area for support and that might actually be beneficial for the quality of experience on supported hardware.
Windows 11 24H2, I believe, will require the POPCNT instruction on CPUs, which eliminates all Intel CPUs older than the first gen i series processors.
@@AndrewMackoul Those are from 2008, we're still talking about 16 years old CPUs. Still very old compared to the official hardware requirements which call for a processor no older than 2017 (8th gen Core i, or AMD Zen+).
I totally agree. I do also think they made it harder to bypass to really just solidify the fact that they're not supporting it, but not making it impossible
It is the compromise to solidify the computer security. Maybe we won't have this problem, but there are many companies and structures in the world that use outdated machines, with outdated CPUs and outdated OS’s, putting both their security and the users who rely on their services at risk.
MJD makes my day better.
So weird thing is I have this exact laptop. I think windows 11 is the main issue here. I run mine with Windows 10 Atlas OS. And I play even some modern games at respectable frame rates at native resolution. Only difference is mine has 8GB ram. I actually got mine out to make sure I wasn’t crazy and it runs portal 2 at native resolution on medium settings getting anywhere from 40-55fps. I’d drop it down to either windows 10 or windows 10 atlas os. You’ll be surprised how much windows 11 ruins this machine.
damn this as an early release, 30 mins ago, usually it’s when i’m asleep
With the bypass microsoft account option in Rufus, if you have the system connected to the internet during installation, the bypass doesn’t actually work (but if you select the option to create a local account, then it won’t give you the prompt for the Microsoft account regardless)
There is a way to add a bypass that works regardless of if there is an internet connection (where it will prompt you to create a local account), but rufus doesn’t use that
Hey man love the videos I always see your OS/2 poster which I find funny bcs I recently found out my grandpa helped develop it lmao
YOOOOOO KAITO KID 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🙏🙏🙏🙏
@kaitojinn I HAVENT EVEN SEEN CONAN I JUST FW THE DUDES VIBE YK I HOPE THATS THE NAME OF MY PFP BECAUSE IF IT ISNT IMA LOOK REAL STUPID LMFAO
@truneosprinter Nope, every person who use Kaito Kid's pfp is awesome and cool, doesn't matter if they know him or not. Look at my username "KaitoJinn" is derived from the same guy on your pfp!
It is smother than expected
new mjd video.... day instantly better
literally
I love how when you relaunch rocket league at 21:58 , even the game window says it's "cooked" 😂 and then in brackets it explains that the slang "cooked" means not responding
3:14 "think i missed it..." felt that
absolutely amazing, your videos are always a highlight!
Ah, an MJD video with Action Retro-esque shenanigans!
Yes, please! :)
"Edge is still running for some reason" Extremely relatable 😂
I installed Windows 11 on my Acer Aspire Z5771 with an i5-2400S, 6GB RAM and integrated graphics and it runs quite well. I think the minimum to have a good experience is at least a 1st gen Core i CPU and 6GB RAM because of W11 being more resource hungry.
Do you still have it on there?
I encountered the same boot loop issue when installing Windows 11 on a 2010 MacBook Pro with a Core 2 Duo and NVIDIA graphics. To resolve it, I downloaded the graphics driver directly from NVIDIA before allowing Windows to install its driver via update. This approach worked well with the NVIDIA graphics. Note that this laptop didn't have graphics switching.
On my iMac running Windows 11, I had to disable one of the graphics adapters to boot into something other than Safe Mode. I opted to disable the integrated graphics and use the discrete card, which has been working great. Again, I used the NVIDIA driver instead of the Microsoft-provided one.
The fact that w11 could run those old apps (and they work as designed) is just awesome thing. If you compare it to mac that usually has zero backwards compatibility this is twice the awesome.
I love to watch your videos on the weekend
yeah
@@kivancatlipr yep
Wow i had this exact boot loop problem with the nvidia drivers. Never thought id find someone else in the same boat. Such a pain in the ass!
I used my 2009 dell xps i7 desktop with an updated 4 gig 980 and it played pretty much every modern game I threw at it extremely well. That was back in like 2017 but still lol.
i had some 2009 hp compaq with a core2quad maxxed out and i could play minecraft on it
Hello MJD! I'm currently halfway the video and I think you should try tinkering with Backwards compatibility feature for the setup.exe on the GPU drivers
I did that on a really old notebook laptop (it shipped with XP and I tried to update it to Windows 10 just for funsies)
It managed to install the GPU driver with it set to Windows 7 compatibility (that one setting on properties)
Devices with XP are the best thing after the original 7 system, the latest is excessively heavy
i feel so at home watching your videos
It’s crazy to think that brand new laptops not even a decade later had specs STARTING at that!
Michael really needs the best award for being the best tech youtuber
Without PopCnt on processor, it cannot boot Windows 11. PopCnt wasn't available on any computers and laptops released before 2014 with any processor
Nice Michael Awesome Video 🎉❤
Amazing tip from rufus bro THX
You have such lovely hands 🙌
I believe that if you downloaded the nvidia driver from the folder it would have the windows update gpu driver as an optional update from my experience with it
Can you try Vegas pro or whatever editing software you use.. that would be intresting! love your videos - keep it up!
Windows: "Would you like to pin Edge to the taskbar?"
Microsoft Edge already being pinned to the taskbar:
Wow, I did not know that existed in rufus, going to keep that in mind!
For the Nvidia driver, try going to the Microsoft update download center and grab the Windows 10 version of the driver, it should work. Or try installing driver booster, it should also do the trick.
With these old laptops with switchable graphics, you may wanna stick with the driver from the laptop's manufacturer. They don't work like today's switchable graphics. The Windows 7 driver might still work.
Like this Alienware, my IdeaPad Y460 had a literal manual switch for the GPUs, which only worked with Lenovo's driver. Installing Windows 10 on it was a pain; you could not disable driver updates at the time, so Win 10 would always install an incompatible Intel driver that crashes the OS at login. Lenovo's old Windows 7 driver actually worked on Win 10, and I was able to use Win 10 offline w/o any hitches, so the auto update BS was the only hurdle.
@@KyanoAng3l0_Mtvtksnever use driver optimiser pro at any cost.
That piece of shit ruined my nvme Intel controller and fucked my windows installation. Thank God I did a restore point at every time I download a driver. Also for some unknown reason, I couldn't access winre as it would stuck in a bootloop if I tried to access winre. I would have lost all my data if I didn't use system restore before updating my driver
@@Unknown-64209 Ig it's a good thing I never used it or the like.
Forget the Microsoft update center all together... Something weird was going on for him. Not sure if it was even the graphics driver causing the boot loop, but he should be using the drivers/software straight from Nvidia, especially for the multi-gpu thing which requires software from Nvidia to handle it. Some drivers Microsoft chooses don't always work properly at first and I still don't understand why.
I know he's using 11, but what happened to me was, I had issues with my 2020 HP Envy downgrading back to Win10, the drivers the Win10 update was choosing were broken for some reason, the sound driver and track pad were acting weird (all supposedly factory drivers, no generics), and the one it chose for the gpu, they kinda worked but drawing was slower than it should be and I was having weird issues decoding video and stuff... and it wasn't using a generic driver, it was Microsofts 'latest' intel driver for my gpu, it just didn't work properly...
Suddenly that was all fixed when I actually downloaded the proper the drivers/software manually from the manufacturer sites, and using intel's driver tool for the Intel stuff. Microsoft was definitely not choosing the latest/proper drivers for things, it lies lol. Don't know where the hell it got those drivers from... Once that was all fixed and had the working drivers, any future windows updates, also any new updated drivers it provided, and factory resets all worked perfectly normal... Never had to do it again. When you do a fresh/re-formatted install, Windows get's amnesia and doesn't know what to do with itself... It's bizarre. Windows needs the working drivers as a reference to get updates, if it takes a guess it doesn't always work properly even if it installs and they seem like the correct drivers.
@@exohio As I pointed out in my prev. comment, switchable graphics back in the early 2010s work differently, like that of my Lenovo IdeaPad Y460 and the Alienware M11x featured in this vid. They have a physical manual switch that lets you switch GPUs on the fly, which would require a driver from the laptop's own manufacturer, rather than doing it all on software and being able to use both GPUs simultaneously for different programs like my 2018 ROG laptop. Intel and Nvidia's own drivers never worked on those older laptops I handled. Installing them would cause a similar problem - the PC crashing immediately after boot or at login, which renders the laptop unusable.
I know this sounds really weird but I really like the way your voice sounds. 😭 It's just so calming. Not even joking.
nice video i like your videos so i watch it all the time so keep it up!
It sucks because i had an experience like this a gaming pc from 2006 that my dad used it till 2023 till 2011 he used it after that his staff used it for his business after that at 2024 i got it with when i got it it had windows 7 but the original was windows xp when i got its dedicated gpu was complaint then swittched to integrated graphics onboard some boot issue with tiny 11 always crashing but in case of dell its ok my grandpa used a dell from 2005 till last 2023 now he is a mac so he gave it to me it doesnt have any boot issues but so slow driver problems dedicated graphics doesnt work
Thank you so much! It saved me a lot of time! ( was thinking about installing Win 11 on a similar laptop)
Ran into this recently too. Had a old laptop similar age, ended up disconnecting from the internet and downloading the latest driver for the GPU that I could. Installing it first, then rebooting to see if windows could still boot. That seemed to solve my bootloop problem.
In addition to that, Windows 11 24H2 requires POPCNT instruction as well as checks for SSE4.2. So, 23H2 is the last version of Windows 11 that can run on it
And yeah, pre-WDDM 2.0 drivers don’t work well in Windows 11.
POPCNT sounds indecent.
Pre-WDDM 2.0 driver still works on 11 for me. The problem for him is he does not install graphics driver straight from Dell website which cause problem for older laptop with switchable graphics
@@trandinhvietdung9357 pre-WDDM 2.0 drivers have caused many glitched where file explorer and parts of shell won’t load properly.
Yep. My hp elitebook 8440p exhibits the problem when you move the mouse from idle standby black screen, it’ll freeze the screen. Only ctrl shift win b fixes it. The graphics is NVS 3100m.
@@ckingpro probably you got unlucky I think because every device I got or experienced from WDDM 1.0 till 2.0 (yes 1.1, 1.2 and even 1.3 also) still loads fine and still have rounded corners.
I’m afraid to use Rufus because it like write protect my usb drive and I can’t delete it
I love it when Michael MJD tries to run modern software on old outdated hardware. Can't wait for the next $5 windows 98 pc install!
My family computer is a 2007 Dell Optiplex, running Windows 11... this is regular stuff for us lol
Try swapping out normal windows 11 for Tiny 11 and disable all telemetry in T11 along with all mods you can think of may find some improvement. Just a thought.
Tiny11 is not an option for daily use.
Many security measures are disabled, putting you at risk.
I have a Dell laptop from 2014 with an i5 and 16 Gb of RAM which is perfectly usable with Windows 10 nowadays but it's out of the compatibility list. Knowing that 10 will be unsupported the next year I found this video useful when it's time to make the upgrade to 11.
Way to go! You’ve “upgraded” the laptop from the best os to currently use to the worst one
12:40 You could try enabling both "Show accent color on Start and Taskbar" and "Show accent color on title bars and windows borders" and see if it applied custom accent color. I tried it when I was testing Madobe Nanami theme on Windows 11 a while ago and it did apply custom accent color.
you won't be able to install windows 11 on a laptop like this come 24H2. there is a new instruction set required that will make windows 11 refuse to run on CPUs below the 1st gen core i3, i5 and i7 processors.
I would not be surprised at all if there are user-created drivers for the that Nvidia mGPU. At minimum, I would probably try finding the latest drivers that do support it on an older OS version, and try to install that. If I get an error saying it's not allowed, I'd even tweak the inf file and try disabling driver signing temporarily to see if it will install.
I have had success with this in running Windows 7 drivers on Windows 10. So, even if it doesn't work on Windows 11, it might be worth trying Windows 10, since that is at least a current OS.
I did have similar issues with the GPU off my old Dell laptop as Well. After installation of W10 it would always work a few minutes untill Windows automaticly updated the Graphics Driver. After wihich it would freeze and Shutdown. The only way to fix it was just to disable the GPU in the device manager. It even froze after i manually installed the correct Driver. Asides from that the performance in W10 is still really good, the only thing it struggels with is TH-cam Videos over 1080p and battery life even with a new Battery. Still using it to this Day.
Dude, in case you didn't know, you can disable automatic driver updates in Windows so that they don't make your dGPU not work.
same thing here with my latitude 7490 with UHD 620, the difference is when i use linux, i need to add extra kernel boot parameter "i915_enable.dc=0" to fix it
edit: it's either that or i915.enable_dc=0
Now before i even start watching. I own this laptop (I have a AW collection from 2010 - 2021) and it works almost perfect under windows 11. If you have any issues, its your specific machine.
This series of AW laptops from the 11 - the 18 were very well built machines and used extremely reliable hardware. HEnce why there are so many still around. Most other laptops from this era barely made it 5 years.
I have the M17r4 on the desk next to me now just for youtube while im gaming on my deasktop.
Love this series of machine.
I recommend using tiny 11 so you can get rid of all of that bloatware
It's more simple, Microsoft made a lot of "graphics drivers" by itself, lot of them not working properly. Last week I saw a computer with system disabled graphics card, because Windows thought time to replace the working driver with Microsoft made one. Not only user experienced lot of fps drops in their games, but later some of stopped working when I received the call. So I needed restore the graphics driver and turn off that annoying option in the system (it was well hidden), don't update drivers.
If I remember correctly, you needed alienware OSD so you could switch between intergrated with discrete or discrete only GPU. There was a key combo to switch
I have one of these. Damn reliable laptop. Doesn’t really work too well anymore but I ran with it windows 7 later to windows 10 all the way until 2020.
"Would you like to pin Microsoft Edge to your taskbar?" "No, we don't want to pin Microsoft Edge to the taskbar."
Uhhh... I'm not _that_ blind yet, but wasn't it already on the taskbar?
I remember when I had to do this with a 2010 laptop with a GeForce 320M. The computer would just boot loop with the video driver installed, and it was was UEFI. I booted it with legacy BIOS instead and it installed and worked.
Note: you can remove the requirement of a tpm 2.0, etc using the command prompt in windows 11 setup that is what I did in my personal machine without a tpm 2 chip
Good video, it looks like the mjd curse didn’t strike all that much this time
Funny enough, The Dell G15 that I mainly use actually has an Alienware Control Center for some reason. It IS a gaming laptop so I can see it, and It runs Windows 11 fine (which it CAME PRE-INSTALLED when I bought it new) but eventually, I need to install a second SSD. Also if you know where to look, you can TECHNICALLY apply Windows 7 themes to Windows 11. Theme sounds like Garden, Beaches, and even custom sound can STILL be added (barring startup and shutdown).
I still use one of these machines as my diagnostics PC when I'm tinkering with retro laptops! It works great with Tiny10, but it was downright horrible with Windows 11, and mine has 8 GB of RAM.
Swapping the CPU to a Core 2 Quad made Win 11 pretty usable on an old dell desktop I have.
You should see how the OG Windows 7 install works in comparison and also throw AntiX Linux on it too afterwards. AntiX runs so absurdly light while being very usable and accessible as well.
1. Windows supposedly does NOT support an i3 2100 (3,1gHz quad core)
2. Says my graphics card isn't POWERFUL ENOUGH (🙄) being a GeForce GT 720
3. 3.9 GB ram (absolutely absurd)
4. Secure boot "not supported" after being checked and unchecked again and again
5. TPM 1.2 even after upgrade (Windows, what the duck?)
Love these type of videos
This helped so much!!!
I daily drive a Core 2 Duo T9900 with 4GB RAM and I find it to be quite usable. Only speed problem is caused by Windows updates/Defender running in the background and eating the CPU.
Just so you guys know, my dad has a laptop that originally ran windows 2000 and then he upgraded all the way to windows 7 and then younger me broke it in the win 7 era of it and then it got fixed(upgraded) to windows 11 and runs FLAWLESSLY. So win11 will probably run on anything
Gotta admit, Windows 11 definitely _looks_ like a more legitimate upgrade from Windows 7 than 10. Mica/acrylic looks like a minimalist Aero, you've got Gadgets (sorta), the taskbar looks like a more full-fledged dock now, and the UI is as animated as Win 7's.
Never a fan of Windows 10's GUI. It's excessively flat/minimalist save for a few parts like icons, barely has animations, and it just feels boring and almost lifeless.
I love the design of these Alienwares, they have such an amazing design in my opinion.
If you choose "English (World)" on the first Windows 11 install screen. Then the Windows installer wont install any apps or bloatware, just the bare system. Just a quick tip.
Put 10 on a 2011 asus G73Jh laptop with a i7 920x, 16gb ram, Radeon hd 6870 and a 256gb SSD. Feels like a modern machine man I wonder why
Coz you have way more RAM, that even handles windows 11 older build like 22h2. Processor might limit the performance coz of windows processes and it's first gen i7.. so yes, 10 is a way better option and 7 runs like a beast on that thing!!
My acer Aspire V5 that runs an i3 and upgraded the ram from 4gb to 16gb and a 1TB SSD running windows 10. It runs like a champ for a computer from early 2012. I love that thing it handles short Photoshop and Illustrator Mock ups no problem.
wow great vidoe as always just one question is this laptop have a touch screen
MichaelMJDs videos cure my depression
I have a sony vaio vpccw16fa (core 2 duo p8700 and a nvidia geforce GT230M) I managed to upgrade to windows 11 when it was released. The support ended for 200 series at around 2016 windows 10 versions were there at that time so it can work for windows 11 which is basically a modified version of windows 10
However, the processor is still very slow with 11.