Regarding the "cutesy" passport photos in the demo - in the final game, if you press a direction on the D-pad while getting your passport photo taken, Mario and Luigi will do a silly animation that will be snapped for their passport photo!
To add upon this, the animations do have multiple frames and which one ends up in the passport is determined by the frame that's being displayed when the camera flashes
another thing worth mentioning about the original death animations is that the conscious bro doesn't pick up the fallen one when dodging attacks, meaning getting knocked out wasn't as punishing in the demo. the mario bros reference is cute but the added sense of urgency in the final version was absolutely the way to go
"Cutesy" photoes are still a feature in the final game. Remember how, when you're getting photographed on the Koopa Kruiser, the photographer tells you " _don't press buttons on your P-Pad to hold a pose_ " ? Well, just disobey him. Be rebelious, press different D-Pad buttons - each bro has 4 different animations, one for each D-Pad direction. And whichever frame of whichever animation was playing when the photographer snaps the camera - that's the one you get for your passport. And later on, you're able to retake your photoes in Beanbean Kingdom town, this time with a nice looking nature background. And once again, Mario & Luigi can totally make silly faces while getting photograhped, and each D-Pad direction has its own animation. In fact, as you progress through the game, you can keep coming back to that photographer, and there will be new animations. So yeah, it's kind of a big feature of Superstar Saga. Not any kind of prototype difference at all there.
That's incredible! I like how they were initially thinking about using elements from the Mario Bros. arcade game. I noticed the KO/revive animations and the game over font looked like the ones from the arcade game!
i think the use of the elements is merely placeholders. Game developers, specifically programmers just use whats available until artists make the usual final sprites.
It's crazy that they made that nice-looking logo and then someone said "Ew. Needs to be blockier and with less outline. And a weird E- shaped & symbol.". The prototype looks way better. I'm glad they eventually went back to the Japanese logo's style for the remakes.
Absolutely adore this game. The fact that I'm an identical twin makes it feel all the more special even though the Mario bros. aren't. Thanks for sharing!
@@kevinlee7678 Theoretically any studio can pick up where they left off, there's enough games to get a good idea of their style, and the games aren't that technologically complex. Would it be good? That depends on the new studio.
WOW!! I loved Mario and Luigi's death animations... why are the Beta games so much more fun and interesting than the final version? :/ btw, where is the link to download this BETA?
Absolutely wonderful stuff here. I love it when you can see butterfly-effect style differences in "normal" gameplay but I can't wait until it gets cracked open and we can see all the cool stuff under the hood. E: Make sure to peruse the documents on the Archive page. They're very interesting...
Hard to believe the M&L RPG series is going to be 20 years old come November. That means every RPG Mario series (SMRPG, and Paper Mario) are over 2 decades old sense their first game came out. That said, excited for the SMRPG remake, and beg people to buy it, so it can get a sequel.
@@kevinlee7678 that would be cool too but we already have lots of smk Protos while we have NOTHING about super circuit except a Chinese localization build
It might be bacause in the later games the beanstalk was replaced by a piranha plant head growing from the coin boxes so i never made the conection that the bean bean kingdom was just an expansion on the whole beanstalk thingie. Like you cant tell me that they didnt come up with the whole kingdom/bean race idea from that beanstalk from mario 1
4:33 i noticed here that WOW look at marios leg here, his left leg is sooo grey, they mustve asked masanori sato, the artist, to tone it down because it doesnt even really come across as reflective lighting it just makes his leg look grey lol
Super cool to see this - it was like, the second or third game I ever owned. Never beat it. Got about halfway through both it and it's 3ds remake before putting it down. I think as a kid I actually wound up playing more of the original Mario Bros. than the RPG itself.
Those beta death and revival animations are amusing meta/4th wall breaks. They also die like in a Mario platformer which is a neat touch. Don’t a know if there is a single game that actually works like that. Shame we lost them but the final build makes sense as a gameplay design choice.
Interestingly, a lot of the mechanics used in the prototype which were removed from the final such as having mario or luigi stay in the field after they died, choosing what you want to upgrade after completing a battle, and a couple more things were implemented in their future release which was "mario and luigi bowser's inside story".
Kind of: The SNES is 16 Bit and the Gameboy Advance is 32 Bit. The GBA had more power than the SNES. Don't let the sound fool you. That was because Nintendo didn't want to pay Sony for the SPC Sound chip which they helped create. The GBA Sound Chip had to be made from scratch.
@@danerd8978the gba doesnt have a soundchip, all its music and sounds is produced in software, which means more cpu usage. Thats if we dont count the original gameboy soundchip that was carried over.
Stunned H4G hasn't hit 100K yet :( It's seriously one of the most under rated channels i've enjoyed over the years. One moment it's something small and chill, you then forget and before you know it there's a huge pre-release dump. Shouldn't need to upload weekly to make a channel viable. Content like this takes real time and can't just be manufactured. I hope everyone's doing well! :)
How weird this is my first video I’ve watched of yours and I’m wearing an Into the AM shirt while watching.. seriously the best fitting shirt ever made
the label on the ROM in the thumbnail says, "ROM loaned to Shogakukan by Alpha Dream Inc. to charactor-debug. Wonder who and where it leaked from. btw it's really interesting video
I'm so upset we didn't get the original logo, the Paper Mario-esque ones we got for the first two M&L games in English always felt watered down in comparison - atleast they fixed that in the remake!
A couple of notes: 1) it's pronounced Mame-lians like the emulator. This was confirmed in an interview a fan had with miamoto at the booth with God of war 2. 2) You forget to cover the demon that a developer brought into the cart that turns the game sentient and evil. 3) The border bros blatant tokenism. They can be taken to court for refusing to let you across the border based on your ethnicity.
Hola, estoy testeando el prototipo de Mario y Luigi y la verdad ya completé los 3 niveles, tengo el interés de si se puede usar los códigos de trampa de la versión final para comprobar algunas características ocultas.
Beta developers: luckily Luigi can feed Mario a mushroom in battle, I had to learn how to play this a lot better before I showed the beta in the meetings room, cause otherwise Mario may not be heard and Nintendo may think, is… he dead?
5:49 ngl, it should been in the final. I like this more. 6:40 That would be a cool reference! Sadly they removed it. But at 6:46 they should have which Mario Bros is alive to throw the 1up at the dead Mario Bros so they could jump out of their colo(u)red bar.
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Naw, I still have my hardware and the software that I actually will play. It's been nearly a half year since I've sold it off, despite recently announcing it. I don't regret it.
@@hard4games As my own retro collection has grown over the years, I don't blame you at all for selling. So many titles just collect dust if there's no proper place to showcase them, ultimately taking up a ton of space. If people keep giving you sh_t for it, screw em lmao
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Regarding the "cutesy" passport photos in the demo - in the final game, if you press a direction on the D-pad while getting your passport photo taken, Mario and Luigi will do a silly animation that will be snapped for their passport photo!
Good to know!!!
To add upon this, the animations do have multiple frames and which one ends up in the passport is determined by the frame that's being displayed when the camera flashes
With thanks to Chuggaaconroy for teaching me that!
@@IAmNotAFunguy the koopa taking your photo tells you right before snapping, “don’t go pressing buttons on the + control to hold a pose!”
@@IAmNotAFunguy
It's shocking to me that people needed to be told about it when the game already tells you
I love how both death animations and revive animations are pretty expressive.
another thing worth mentioning about the original death animations is that the conscious bro doesn't pick up the fallen one when dodging attacks, meaning getting knocked out wasn't as punishing in the demo. the mario bros reference is cute but the added sense of urgency in the final version was absolutely the way to go
Definitely agree. That mechanic made the game MUCH more difficult and I loved it. I don't remember if that mechanic made it to the future titles.
@@sublime_tvits in every mario and luigi game
@@MahNamJeffPaper Jam: 🙈
"Cutesy" photoes are still a feature in the final game.
Remember how, when you're getting photographed on the Koopa Kruiser, the photographer tells you " _don't press buttons on your P-Pad to hold a pose_ " ? Well, just disobey him. Be rebelious, press different D-Pad buttons - each bro has 4 different animations, one for each D-Pad direction. And whichever frame of whichever animation was playing when the photographer snaps the camera - that's the one you get for your passport.
And later on, you're able to retake your photoes in Beanbean Kingdom town, this time with a nice looking nature background. And once again, Mario & Luigi can totally make silly faces while getting photograhped, and each D-Pad direction has its own animation. In fact, as you progress through the game, you can keep coming back to that photographer, and there will be new animations.
So yeah, it's kind of a big feature of Superstar Saga.
Not any kind of prototype difference at all there.
Good to know, thanks! 😊
Damn, the Beanbean Kingdom has better border security than America
That's incredible! I like how they were initially thinking about using elements from the Mario Bros. arcade game. I noticed the KO/revive animations and the game over font looked like the ones from the arcade game!
Glad to see I’m not the only one who caught that detail. I love it :p
i think the use of the elements is merely placeholders. Game developers, specifically programmers just use whats available until artists make the usual final sprites.
The old death scene is actually really cute and clever, though I can see why it was changed for gameplay reasons
This is beyond awesome. Thank you SO much for everything you guys do with game preservation!
Hard agree
Happy to see a new preservation group rise up. I haven’t heard much since ForestOfIllusion disbanded; I hope this group does some amazing work!
Hoping to see great things from them!
@mariomemer123 Yeah, but we don't REALLY know why.
Aw, that's a really dope name, too!
@@kevinlee7678 It's sad. 🙁
When did ForestofIllusion depart? Never heard that.
1:45
This prototype logo is basically the same as the Japanese logo, just in English and with the "RPG" part removed.
It's crazy that they made that nice-looking logo and then someone said "Ew. Needs to be blockier and with less outline. And a weird E- shaped & symbol.". The prototype looks way better. I'm glad they eventually went back to the Japanese logo's style for the remakes.
I love that Mario Bros reference with the old revive animation
Absolutely adore this game. The fact that I'm an identical twin makes it feel all the more special even though the Mario bros. aren't. Thanks for sharing!
That beta logo reminds me of the japanese logo actually
Also that Stardust Fields segment is also in the kiosk demo using the retail map
I wish it was a mainline mario game but this discovery is amazing since it could lead to more being found by the group
What a way to celebrate the game’s 20th anniversary
I personally like the demo death more, how it uses the Super Mario Bros death instead of the normal RPG death
Here's to hoping Zelda 64 or EarthBound 64 gets found next
This and also the Kirby gamecube game
Good stuff! M&L is one of my favourites. I hope to see a return of the series some day.
But with AlphaDream gone...
I suppose all good things must come to an end unfortunately.
@@kevinlee7678 Theoretically any studio can pick up where they left off, there's enough games to get a good idea of their style, and the games aren't that technologically complex.
Would it be good? That depends on the new studio.
Yo starman Juniour
@@TeamSprocketGameFreak can develop a new game
They have all the Money and I would like to see Junichi Masuda's take on Mario and Luigi battle music
I remember the beta title screen from a nintendo power magazine it's so cool this was preserved I played this so much as a kid
Superstar Saga is my favorite game of all time. This is an absolutely amazing discovery and I'm beyond elated that this was found.
This is incredible! Fingers crossed, I got a hunch that this isn't all the Mario & Luigi stuff they've got!
Someone needs to upload these unused songs from the beta!
just with the opening screen we know they made the right decision "NINTENDOOO !!!!!" *MUSIC PLAYS*
It's also interesting to hear the subtle differences between the E3 and Final builds' music. Thanks for covering this one!
Beta and unreleased versions of games was always more interesting after the released ones
Can we talk about the Mario World remix at 4:05 though?? I need this demo’s OST asap!!
WOW!! I loved Mario and Luigi's death animations...
why are the Beta games so much more fun and interesting than the final version? :/
btw, where is the link to download this BETA?
Absolutely wonderful stuff here. I love it when you can see butterfly-effect style differences in "normal" gameplay but I can't wait until it gets cracked open and we can see all the cool stuff under the hood.
E: Make sure to peruse the documents on the Archive page. They're very interesting...
What some good prototypes and big founds ! i hope that you find an Super Mario 64 Prototype cardtridge
Hard to believe the M&L RPG series is going to be 20 years old come November. That means every RPG Mario series (SMRPG, and Paper Mario) are over 2 decades old sense their first game came out.
That said, excited for the SMRPG remake, and beg people to buy it, so it can get a sequel.
Nice shirts Tony. Wow the beta looks cool that border jumping joke was pretty funny, but I can see why they cut it lmao.
Looking forwards to their releases! still hoping for a Mario kart super circuit proto someday...
Or getting their hands on THAT Super Mario Kart proto.
@@kevinlee7678 that would be cool too but we already have lots of smk Protos while we have NOTHING about super circuit except a Chinese localization build
I'll admit though if we got the E3 2001 build I'd be kinda disappointed
mainly because the differences are not much of anything lol
@@BlueYoshi
@@MarioKartSuperCircuit yeah, the build I'd like to see the most is the playable space world 2000 build (the one from the Nintendo internal VHS)
Congrats on getting on the LMW notice board again!
i like how they brought the game and watch looking mario and luigi from the early logo back in bowser inside story and onward, neat detail
It might be bacause in the later games the beanstalk was replaced by a piranha plant head growing from the coin boxes so i never made the conection that the bean bean kingdom was just an expansion on the whole beanstalk thingie.
Like you cant tell me that they didnt come up with the whole kingdom/bean race idea from that beanstalk from mario 1
FINALLY A BETA OF SUPERSTAR SAGA I'm waiting for you beta of luigi's mansion at the e3
looks like this is going to the cutting room floor. I love finding pre-release demos of games before they come out and finding the differences
I can not wait until someone does a fan patch project to add back cut contact soon
I realized that many of the unused things in this build, ended up becoming features in later Mario & Luigi games.
4:33 i noticed here that WOW look at marios leg here, his left leg is sooo grey, they mustve asked masanori sato, the artist, to tone it down because it doesnt even really come across as reflective lighting it just makes his leg look grey lol
Great game. Even with cheats on the switch the final boss was really tough
Super cool to see this - it was like, the second or third game I ever owned. Never beat it. Got about halfway through both it and it's 3ds remake before putting it down. I think as a kid I actually wound up playing more of the original Mario Bros. than the RPG itself.
I wonder if this actually contains an unfinished version of the game you can't normally access with out hacking.
Those beta death and revival animations are amusing meta/4th wall breaks. They also die like in a Mario platformer which is a neat touch. Don’t a know if there is a single game that actually works like that. Shame we lost them but the final build makes sense as a gameplay design choice.
Never knew there was an E3 version of this game!
I like the aesthetic art background in the prototype title screen!
Interestingly, a lot of the mechanics used in the prototype which were removed from the final such as having mario or luigi stay in the field after they died, choosing what you want to upgrade after completing a battle, and a couple more things were implemented in their future release which was "mario and luigi bowser's inside story".
Thank you so much for covering this awesome prototype and thank you Zoda-Y13 for allowing it to be preserved! 💚
Nice it's time for Hard4Games about one of my favorite game on GBA aka Super Mario RPG V2 love your videos mate
I would like to see a rom hack that adds some of this pre-release stuff back in.
can't believe it was found! This is amazing!
We missed you, Alphadream...
I like to think this could’ve worked on the SNES.
Kind of: The SNES is 16 Bit and the Gameboy Advance is 32 Bit. The GBA had more power than the SNES. Don't let the sound fool you. That was because Nintendo didn't want to pay Sony for the SPC Sound chip which they helped create. The GBA Sound Chip had to be made from scratch.
@@danerd8978 True
@@danerd8978the gba doesnt have a soundchip, all its music and sounds is produced in software, which means more cpu usage. Thats if we dont count the original gameboy soundchip that was carried over.
Stunned H4G hasn't hit 100K yet :( It's seriously one of the most under rated channels i've enjoyed over the years. One moment it's something small and chill, you then forget and before you know it there's a huge pre-release dump. Shouldn't need to upload weekly to make a channel viable. Content like this takes real time and can't just be manufactured. I hope everyone's doing well! :)
Seeing Sony Game Boy Advance is cursed
So that vid of Super Mario for the PS4 wasmt so off after all
This game came out on the year I was born so magical
How weird this is my first video I’ve watched of yours and I’m wearing an Into the AM shirt while watching.. seriously the best fitting shirt ever made
the label on the ROM in the thumbnail says, "ROM loaned to Shogakukan by Alpha Dream Inc. to charactor-debug. Wonder who and where it leaked from. btw it's really interesting video
The old Title Screen is so cool and magical, tho I wish the initial letters of the Bros' names were in capital
I'm so upset we didn't get the original logo, the Paper Mario-esque ones we got for the first two M&L games in English always felt watered down in comparison - atleast they fixed that in the remake!
Did the guy who found this ride in a machine called the death anchor by chance
Mamelian plains sounds like a pun on edamame: a type of bean
So checks out
Mamelian is a reference to Edamame (soy beans ... bean-bean kingdom)
3:01 i love this to be real. it feels cooler then the original.
It seems a lot of those mechanics came back in the DS M&L games, such as the Run function becoming a button-mash to escape battles.
Lore of LOST BETA VERSION! Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga momentum 100
A couple of notes:
1) it's pronounced Mame-lians like the emulator. This was confirmed in an interview a fan had with miamoto at the booth with God of war 2.
2) You forget to cover the demon that a developer brought into the cart that turns the game sentient and evil.
3) The border bros blatant tokenism. They can be taken to court for refusing to let you across the border based on your ethnicity.
Good points. 😄
Because 豆 Mame.
Oh woah, very good!!
I hope this means Mario Kart Super Circuit's ECTS/Spaceworld 2000 prototype could eventually be found!
This is so cool. I'm really happy this was found.
This was uploaded on my birthday....
Someone should make a rom hack combining some demo assets into the full game
These cartdriges are BIG
Curiosamente los iconos beta de vida en el minijuego de salta la frontera aparecen en una captura de pantalla en la guía oficial del juegos
We found the E3 Super star saga Theres hope to find zelda 64 or any mario 64 beta
Hola, estoy testeando el prototipo de Mario y Luigi y la verdad ya completé los 3 niveles, tengo el interés de si se puede usar los códigos de trampa de la versión final para comprobar algunas características ocultas.
Beta developers: luckily Luigi can feed Mario a mushroom in battle, I had to learn how to play this a lot better before I showed the beta in the meetings room, cause otherwise Mario may not be heard and Nintendo may think, is… he dead?
that's super cool!
5:49 ngl, it should been in the final. I like this more.
6:40 That would be a cool reference! Sadly they removed it.
But at 6:46 they should have which Mario Bros is alive to throw the 1up at the dead Mario Bros so they could jump out of their colo(u)red bar.
That looks like a 2002 lost beta release version
Edit: guess I was right. This really is a 2002 beta release
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Very nice
Death animations has different?
Dope !
Cool!!
It's funny and sad the Mushroom Kingdom takes boarder (misspelled on purpose) security more seriously than USA.
This was the first rpg I ever played but still I'm not into the genre yet.
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This is awesome
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Selling your collection might be the worst decision you've ever made...
Naw, I still have my hardware and the software that I actually will play. It's been nearly a half year since I've sold it off, despite recently announcing it. I don't regret it.
@@hard4games As my own retro collection has grown over the years, I don't blame you at all for selling. So many titles just collect dust if there's no proper place to showcase them, ultimately taking up a ton of space. If people keep giving you sh_t for it, screw em lmao
@@Spielmeister456. As someone who has a Nintendo 64 with 4 controllers and 10 games that has been in a box for more than 5 years, I agree