The -Other- Mario RPG Series | Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga Retrospective - ScionVyse
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 เม.ย. 2023
- In 2003, Alphadream gave Mario his second RPG series, one that would become just as beloved as the others. But does it hold up 20 years later?
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The thing about Cackletta Soul is tha tit is actually possible to raise one of the bros speed high enough that they act beforr Cackletta, you're just unlikely to know this the first time.
In my opinion, Superstar Saga's main form of replayability is in its super high skill ceiling. Knowing enough to never be at risk of getting a Game Over is one thing, but I wonder how many people can play through this game without taking damage, without using stuff like Great Force, Mush Power, or stat buffs (both permanent and temporary)
Imo Superstar Saga is better than BIS
IDC what anyone says UwU 💅🏽💅🏽😬
It's super fun to make a low-level run, too, going only through the necessary battles. But at any rate, I find it weird to go through a game a second time right after finishing it, since your memories of the game are still very fresh, which takes a lot of that rediscovery effect away. I'd wait at least a few months
I never used stat buffs. I played the whole game just by leveling up normally. I didn’t even know there were things to boost your stats. I mean I was a kid tho. I thought leveling up was the only way you could beat Cackletta, so I grinded hours upon hours into that game
The SSS+ mod by JDaster is a great way to play. Rebalances items, makes combat more difficult and nerfs the OP badges and special items like Mush Power/Great Force.
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The funny thing is, your wish was already granted, aside from the visually obvious State build difference, the Bros do have a very minor differences that wasn't state anywhere in the game.
Mario does more damage with Jump attack on enemies; While Luigi does more damage with Hammer attack.
And this little quirk was carried to the future game as well.
This is something you really wouldn't notice unless you purposely raise both bro's atk equally and then testing on enemies.
THIS IS A THING???
I noticed this right now while playing on the Switch.
22:18 they did, actually! Mario's jump tends to naturally hit stronger while Luigi's hammer has much more variance on its damage (but is stronger on average). On defense, Luigi's jump is floattier but he also pulls his hammer up slower and can't hold it up as long as Mario can.
If you're not aware of it, it's barely noticeable, but it's actually there and can come into play, especially on defense.
That mechanic stayed a bit in partners in time but completely disappeared after that.
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For me, as a young gamer, I never felt the need to look up how to use Advanced Bros Attacks. If you notice, the branching point to the Advanced form of an attack has one of the brothers have an.! over their head. Press that brothers button to access the new move. From there you just need to learn the new action command like the first one - after the first time, the exclamation point turns into a regular action command prompt. Just needed my careful eye to look out for and respond to it in time.
Normalize putting Cackletta's theme over big rants i swear it's so good
I accidentally left my Gameboy color in my trunks pocket before jumping intoy grandparents pool. I didn't realize it was in there until after I got out. It somehow survived, and I was playing it again the next day.
I dropped a couple of Game Boy games in my grandparents' driveway when I was six. Four months later, we found them in that same driveway. The labels were drained of all color besides blue, but they still functioned perfectly fine.
You can act first in the final boss battle if you do level your speed stat enough, but doing that requires either forseight, or fighting every single enemy you see. You don't need to grind but fighting every enemy in your way can get tedious.
There’s also some overalls that lets the wearer act first regardless of speed stats
I agree with the final boss second phase, where you start at 1hp. I love it, but the allow another second for the player to understand how to dodge the move. 44:31-4:32 of the video, where the flames appear and pass thru the bros before starting the control of the action commands is a better design.
Rivalry you say? People really factionalize mario and luigi vs paper mario? I love both franchises. Mario Rpgs are Mario rpgs. ALL GOOD.
@breadandcircuses8127When only half of them are good, that’s kinda hard to argue. The first ones are pretty peak tho
One of my favorite games ever and I absolutely ADORE it. This was my first gba game and I still return to it every few years. Still the best M&L game imo
40:26 let's look at this the other way: Mario and Luigi are unbeatably THE richest Mushroom Kingdom citizens.
If they bring all those coins there they are gonna nuke the economy for good
If you had enough speed stats you could ignore cackletta soul's attacks at the start. You want to go in underleveled that's on you.
Don’t you need your speed to be at 120 to attack Cakletta first?
And in the remake, don’t you need your speed at 80?
@@Magma_dude16remake always gives you the first turn
Bro lvl 40 you call it underleveled?😂😂
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I've been listening to most of your other documentaries and I like your writing, voice, and unique perspectives. I hope one day your channel gets bigger and better...
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Glad to see you covering this game and series!
I think the intention with the final cackletta fight was to make you feel like a superstar for braving it all... if you happen to get it in one go. Cackletta does comment on how there's no need for old superstars before then, so that led me to conclude that combined with the one 1hp, you were supposed to feel amazing for getting it right.
I love this game. I played it when it was new and remember a few difficulty spikes that took a while to overcome. Replayed it on NSO recently and beat most bosses in a max of two turns. Once you know the tricks, it does negate most difficulty but I still have a blast playing it.
Something I wanted to point out is switching actions and position is tedious, especially late game but if you hug walls and jump with the front brother you can still do a standard jump with the brother in the back despite having a different action selected. Not perfect but it does help negate switching a lot at least. Hugging the wall may not be required, may be dependent on the front brother jumping now that I think about it but whatever the proper trigger, it does work. I used it a lot by the time I had Hand Actions. Also pressing L and R together resets actions back to Jump.
Great video. Super happy to see you covering it. Can't wait to see the other games. Partners in Time is still my favorite, mainly for it's battle system despite one change I don't like as much. All Mario RPG games are some of my favorite games in general. Love your videos.
Great video! Superstar Saga was either my first RPG or my second (after Super Mario RPG) so it's super nostalgic for me. But the difficulty really is unbalanced and nowadays I find the ability swapping to be the biggest nuisance of the game. It's really a hassle. If the GBA just had two more buttons, the game would be much better. (The remake fixes this issue but I'm not the biggest fan of it) The music, sprites, and overall charm are the best in the series IMO. Fawful's one of my favorite characters in any RPG lol.
Funny story about my first time with the game. For context I got the game when I barely had any knowledge of the Mario series since I was like 5 when I got it. Anyway, I thought that Rookie was Bowser's little brother lol. I couldn't read that well and never got far in the game at that age, so for years (until I was around 10) I just assumed Bowser had a little brother named Rookie who never appeared again
A hassle? What you don't have the patience to press a button twice? What kind of whining drama queen are you? I'm sorry if that sounded harsh and yes, even mean, but for the love of God, all these nitpicks being treated like actual problems is what's wrong. There's nothing wrong with a game having a system where you can cycle through something. It's a whole lot better than going into the pause menu, picking what you want on each brother, and then leaving the menu to finally execute commands. This is all very insane to me because I never had a problem with this. If you do, then you probably have issues with breathing taking up too much of your precious time.
I guess a possible hard mode could be more of a precision mode, in where the attack and defense timing is more tight, with maybe even worse effects for missed action commands, but also higher damage bonus for nailing the action commands
Good video but to be honest problem like switching the bro's moves in the open world are fixed in the remake and the remake does give you a demo of how to do the Bros attack including the advance bros attack and there are other improvement s. Honestly I would recommend to try out the remake.
This deserves way more views than it has, your reviews are great and I love the way you word them.
If there was one game that friggin' MADE MY CHILDHOOD was Superstar Saga on GBA. I remember how many hours I spent in this game, how much I enjoyed it's wacky designs and battle mechanics, how its style even affected my drawing style for HALF A DECADE if not more! And how grateful I was years later at the perfect remake we had.
If you don't mind me asking, what's the difference between the original and the remake? Also, is there still a way to get ahold of the remake?
The ability management is way better in the 3ds version due to the fact that all the abilities are on the bottom screen and you just need to touch them to select the one you want (also the 3ds version has 2d sprites I don't know where you've heard the 3d part)
The 3D thing was my mistake. I've never played really any of these games, only seen them from a distance, and from a distance the sprites do look like 3D models, at least models that were flattened down into sprites.
@@ScionVyseI guess the sprites were just so good they look 3d
probably aesthetic preference. I like the OG as well.
Kinda like how Pokemon platinum is older than Black/White but looks better.
This is way better than Gligar13Vids’ review on Superstar Saga (I know it’s over 10 years old, but man! This review did NOT age well and was obviously done by a cyberbully, and yet this review of a very charming if not flawless game is as great as Lowart’s and AntDude’s reviews!)
watching him choose to play the original instead of the remake then complain about problems the remake fixed is amusing
I just tried superstar saga and I was laughing the whole beginning
I can’t wait for you to get to bowser’s inside story! My second favorite Mario RPG aside from TTYD, and the soundtrack is amazing!
Just found your channel and your underrated as hell dude, keep up the vids, soon you’ll become alot more popular
Found your channel a few days ago, have gone through all your Paper Mario videos and now working on these. Just wanted to say youre really good at this man. Really good writing and your voice is like *perfect* for video essays. Plus I appreciate how personal your videos still are and that they still have a good bit of humor in them. Really looking forward to watching the rest of your backlog and future videos!
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35:52 unfortunately alpha dream went into bankruptcy so I don't know if we will get Mario e luigi games ever again
Im happy that the devs fixed the Bowletta fight in the remake
your content is really good i was shocked when i saw your views ive watched all of your reviews and ready for the rest i love this series
Dude! When I heard that you had been making videos on Paper Mario for longer than a year and you still only have 3k subs, my heart dropped lol. Your videos are on the level of a BUNCH of other people like AntDude and Scott the Woz! Please keep making content! This is super enjoyable!
mini game that frustate me is jump rope at the beginning, :D
Hey Sci, it was really great to relive this game through your review. I didn't have a GBA either, but when I got my DS Phat as a kid I went hard catching up on everything I missed. Fire Emblem, Metroid, Golden Sun, Minish Cap, the Castlevania's and yes, Superstar Saga. I actually forgot about many of the specifics of the game, despite having incredibly fond memories. For example, I forgot the A and B buttons were dedicated to a specific brother. One thing I didn't forget however, was how insanely punishing the final boss was. I'm glad it wasn't just me!
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these videos gonna go crazy in my ear while working 5 hours on the grill, appreciate your dedication
I never found the skill and brother swapping tedious. It came down to muscle memory for me and using the "L+R" reset.
Same with the final Cackletta fight. While difficult, I didnt fret much because I had some nuts to compensate for the lack of HP at the start of the second phase. Surviving the second phase's first attack was also intuitive for me as I had grown used to dodging and countering.
Now, my experience is not indicative of how well the game implemented its difficulty and came down to my muscle memory as a young gamer.
When I first played this game, I happened to have clothing on Luigi that lets him get a first turn, so the final boss didn't kill me on the first turn
I just came from your TTYD retrospective and thoroughly enjoyed it! I clicked on this in the related without realizing the channel name thinking, "I wanna watch another vid by that guy cuz I really like his energy and narration". Lo and behold, this is your video indeed!! I think you have a great channel, and I wish many more subscribers for you! Keep it up and I believe you will gain more success if you continue the retrospective of these amazing games 💪
Edit: wow, I so don't remember that we could select which boss to fight after On Joke's End
First Video I've found of yours, great review! I love this series (well, the first 3 and the SSS remake lol), and can't wait to see you review the rest!
Says Dream Team was a bad starting point for the series.
Cut to me who also started there and has the most play hours on that game out of the whole series...
I understand his perspective, but I felt called out.
Also interesting fact the 3ds games including the SS and BiS remakes actually are NOT 3D models interestingly, the characters are 2D sprites stylized specifically to look 3D, and to pop out with the 3D on the 3DS (at least at first). The only 3D modelled characters in these games are the final boss of Paper Jam's 2nd phase, Cackletta's Soul in SS+BM, and all of the Paper characters, ironically enough.
Hey, it was just a bad starting point for me, and I am looking forward to giving it another shot!
Also, that's good to know, I guess that's what I get for not looking closely enough at them- they definitely look like models that got flattened into sprites.
@@ScionVyse Oh I wasn't arguing that Dream Team wasn't a bad starting point, with all the obnoxious tutorials, especially I agree. I just thought it was funny it seemed like you were accidentally calling me out, I wasn't actually offended or anything. And no worries about the 2d 3d thing, I didn't notice either and only learned when I looked up the spriter's resource page for Paper Jam.
On your point about difficulty, there is a romhack for this game which not only makes enemies do more damage but also tightens timings for dodging/counter attacks. It doesn't *randomize* them, they are still perfectly readable and you can react to them, but the timings are tighter. This is certainly at least a proof of concept for what a hard mode could be. It's how i play the game these days now. Absolutely love this game through and through
The 3DS remake fixes a lot of the issues you have with the original. Also, many people don’t like it, but I enjoy the bonus side content of Bowsers Minions
This game is so good! I was too dumb to play and understand it as a kid but i played it later on with the wii u virtual console. I also had to get the 3ds remake as well which i honestly prefer!
Just finished this the other day. Felt good returning to it as an adult and finally beating it. I got stuck and gave up as a kid lol
15:45 while I can agree to how tedious this may seem, there are a couple things in play to help make this less tedious that, to my knowledge, the game admittedly never tells you about. First, if you press both l and r at the same time, it will reset your action commands to jump, no matter what bro move input you have prepped on the buttons. This is mentioned more in future titles and something a veteran could figure out quickly, but I imagine a new player would take a long time to accidentally discover this. Second, the following bro can still jump while they have another action command ready. Sort of. As long as you can jump with the leading bro, the button for the following bro will always make them jump if they cannot perform the prepped bro action. One of the easiest ways to do this is by using a ledge to create a height difference, which is one of the more frequent moments you would need to switch back to jumping anyways. All that being said, the icons can be a bit of a hassle to switch between at times, and I’m glad they offered a nice solution to this in the remake on the 3ds.
This game is so good And you're amazing
I remember playing Superstar Saga (on the original GBA many years later), and I remember being rather frustrated on the Cackletta phase 2 fight. I remember being able to survive even with one bro dead because I could revive him with a healing item.
I wonder if this section was more frustrating because you had the habit of dodging both bros at the same time rather than developing the muscle memory to dodge only one bro at a time.
Throughout my playthrough, I almost always used the dodge/retaliate command separately, and so when it came to dodging Cackletta's initial phase two attack (which I think was almost always the arms attack), it wasn't so bad when I had to dodge the arms individually.
Also I recommend reviewing bowsers inside story that games my childhood💪
You can actually move before the final boss if your speed stat is high enough. I think it’s around 120-130 speed to be able to move first. The best thing to do is grind beans or levels until at least one of the brothers has a speed of 120 and then use ultra/max nuts to heal both brothers HP. This fight isn’t very unfair if you know it’s coming. It is kind of a brick wall if it’s your first time playing though.
I feel like you missed *alot* in this game. The biggest gripe I have with this video, is the complaint about the Advance Bros moves. It does clue you in to the fact that there's *something* different you can do, using the little speech bubbles with an exclamation mark to insinuate that 'Hey! Look! Listen! Pay attention here and think and you'll realise that you can do something!'
Great review
I disagree with the 2nd phase of the final battle. I found starting the battle with 1hp exhilarating. It made things really tense, surrounded by flames, the music, Cackletta's final form. So good. Plus because the way the games difficulty works as you said, I never found it a problem to die to it, You can get good enough at the game to basically never take damage. It makes that moment when you finally do take zero hits on the start of the battle feel amazing. That's assuming you don't move first with a high enough speed stat lmao. Also I personally found the 1st phase really easy so getting back to phase 2 was never an issue for me even as a 12 year old when I first played this game. I also very much disagree with your statement on replay ability, but that's a whole other convo. Otherwise this was a good video and I enjoyed it a lot c: I never knew there was a rivalry between M&L and Paper Mario series but I love both of them so I don't really care.
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The final boss was way faster than you so it attacked with the head and 2 arms before you got the chance to attack. I am not sure but you may be able to outspeed them
I don't think there's really a problem with the way phase 2 of the final boss is handled. If you have enough speed you can even act before she attacks you.
not sure if you know this but on the 3ds remake on phase 2's final boss she has more health but you do get the first turn instead of her
I never beat this game as a kid, sucks to be in 3rd grade when this was out 😅
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Actually the 3ds remake is using entirely 2d images that just look 3d
starting at 1 hp on the final boss was the most lit thing ive ever experienced in the video game. i remember beating it as a 7 year old. ur just bad lmao.
I did like superstar saga but a lot of the time the game dragged on a bit at some Parts. The balance could be terrible like with mush badges(trivializes the game way too much). Some things were very confusing throughout. I was a little overleveled but the game was easy most of the way through and i think i only game overed a few times. I don't think i laughed or was amused almost at all throughout the entire game really. Plot has a ton of kind of really bad moments and a few pretty good ones. Paper mario was the actual sequel to mario rpg because i think in japan it was littarly called mario rpg 2. this game has not too much you can do in it as the most interchangable element in this game is equiptment but there is not really that many options for it other than the items like the great force. I tried to replay the game but it really drags on at a lot of points and it is easy so i just got bored.
i disagree about the 2nd part of the final boss being bad game design, its the final boss its suppose to be hard
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Superstar Saga is better than BIS idc what anyone says UwU 💅🏽💅🏽