One thing I think is a pretty common overlap with these "villains" are their intentions and ambitions taking them too far. The professor got so engrossed in the studies of the past and future, it left them neglectful and careless, ultimately leading to their passing. Keiran loved Ogrepon to the point of feeling entitled to its companionship and not respecting what Ogrepon actually wants. He then wished to be the strongest but after the events of Kitakami became obsessed with it and beating us and not caring about anyone/anything else. Briar really wanted to unlock Terapagos and unleash it's true power, not realizing the possible danger of awakening such a legend until it was too late. Hell even Pecharunt wanted the happiness of his caretakers which lead to all of Ogrepon's emotional damage.
Bro, Carmine is the real villain. The mc and Carmine literally bullied Kieran. We could've helped him but we never did. We just showed up one day in kitakami, and stole ogrepon from Kieran despite how attached Kieran was, and grew up loving ogrepon even when he didn't know. Sure, ogrepon chose us for gameplay, but honestly we should've given it to him.
@@cheesewrap I feel like a lot of people don't remember why we didn't tell Kieran. That wasn't Carmine's decision, it was her grandfather. He didn't believe Kieran would keep his mouth shut at this point in his life and feared that what would happen to his ancestor would happen to him. Plus I don't feel like Kieran is entitled to Ogrepon just because he believed (based off, at the time, 0 evidence) Ogrepon at the endcof the day is the one who gets to choose and it chose us. I'm not saying Kieran isn't allowed to be angry and when it comes to Carmine, yeah she was a terrible sister and only cared when Kieran was starting his edgy arc but I think both situations have more nuance than "we were the worst people ever and bullied Kieran. He deserves everything".
I wanna add Raifort to the mix, since she is basically Naranja Academy's version of Briar, but for the Ruinous Four instead. She gave me morally dubious, self serving vibes. Like if this were a fantasy magic school novel, she'd be the one using us, the top student in her class and skilled mage, as a pawn to fufill her ambition when it comes to the legends. Honestly wish they did more with them, but hey, they almost never do with the extra legends.
I really loved how all the antagonists was handled in Scarlet and Violet, i can't wait to see what they would do with a full on villain like Volo again in future game.
I loved Kieran's character so damn much. The final fight between you and him felt SOO personal, and it felt like it was your DUTY to defeat him and get through to him! So good! :D
A lot of people say that we’re the asshole. him after we beat him, especially in the BB league and take his champion title but again. The one who walked up to him and called him ex champion and told him that was Drayton. also the whole reason they were in that club in the first place was because of Drayton. we learn we’re not supposed to sign up being exchanged exchange student, but Kieran is the one that allows us. Why also threatening us that we better at least anybody but him so yeah we’re kind of forced into that club by gunpoint.
Briar had the best setup to be bad guy, introduced us to Terapagos, had a genetic direct connection to the most important npc in the game (that wasn’t in the game unironically ), she had a cool theme that could have had a sinister version remix… missed opportunity imo
I would say all these “villains” would be classified as antagonists instead. I was kinda hoping Briar was gonna be the surprise villain that she was gonna catch Terapagos and her motive was to clear her family name after all the shame/humiliation Heath faced would’ve made sense. I’m happy we didn’t get a traditional villain in this game since it was an emotional journey. I do hope we get a real villain again in the next game whether it be another organization or a solo villain like Volo.
What I like abiut Kieran is the fact that he is no longer shy and weak. He turned strong, arrogant and toxic due to being too competitive. But at the end of the DLC, he is strong yet now gentle. He understands that he can still have fun with battles without being too competitive about winning. In the clubroom if you rematch him. He still smiles even if you beat him and he stated that he will one day try to reclaim the champion title one day and he is working on trying to get along again with others. Especially with Drayton whom he antagonized the most.
to be fair, Drayton was a lazy slacker that burdens the rest of the club, and a toxic manipulator. While Drayton cares for Kieran deep down, bullying an (heavily implied to be beyond the point of deniability) autistic young teen during a mental breakdown when you are a grown man is just wrong.
People say there's no actual villian, only antagonists, but I think it's definitely the original Professor Sada/Turo, the AI made it clear they were willing to destroy an entire ecosystem just so they could fulfill their desire of mixing Paradox pokemon with current pokemon and not care
True. They were very complex people and there's always the lingering question of if they could have changed. After all, they died to save a loved one, so if they had survived could they have realized what the AI was saying all along? Or would they have doubled down on it and only gotten worse, fueled by their brush with death making them realize that time is short? And honestly both are equally likely, and we can never truly know what could have been.
@@BJGvideos yeah they're interesting people but I feel like we know too little of the actual professor to know if they would change for the better. I think the brief meeting we had with them in Kitakami alluded they definitely felt some remorse of not being close to Arven but that's really it. When the Protection Protocol activated, the AI professor exclaimed in disbelief and almost disgust how much they solely cared for the project of the time machine. I hope we get to learn more about them in Masters
@@shuichisaihope398 I wonder how they'll do that in Masters. Will they be from the alternate timeline of the crystal pool? Will they be the one who left when Arven was a baby? Will Masters do what they did with Lysandre and just pull them from a universe where they didn't die? And will we get the AIs? ...I will whale so hard if we get the AIs you have no idea I would spend actual money on them.
@@BJGvideos The crystal pool one is implied to be the original sada/turo so it's either just going to be the OG professor or AI. I actually don't know which one they'll pick, or maybe like AI Sada and Real Turo or vice versa? I've always wondered how they'll incorporate them in there. I could see AI Sada/Turo with Terapagos since that's the only way they can leave the Zero Lab (they said in the game the crystals power them)
@@shuichisaihope398 The crystal pool one tells us things that don't line up at all with what we know of the one from our world, including from their own writing. Like they talk about making a machine that will reach parallel worlds and say nothing about a time machine, or about how they've never met the paradox dragon despite not only Arven already being born but also the other parent having left. And of course they give up their copy of Heath's book, something the professor in our world never did. Haha I'm doing a fic right now where Hoopa pulls the AIs and now the Gadgeteer group has to get them functional again. It was going to be a much more lighthearted fic until Penny was added and of course that's the group she's in so now she's got anxiety over "will that program take over again", and thoughts about her own family, and a bunch of stuff.
After seeing the heartfelt cut scene between Arven and the AI, my Mom became convinced that the consciousness, or spirit, if you wanna put it that way, was somehow transferred into the AI as they died and then went on to try and destroy their own dream after realizing the mistake they made, as well as trying to apologize to their son for neglecting him for so long. I think she might be right. Honestly, it does seem interesting if Pokémon really did pull a FNAF on us.
@@loganbrony130 Aah ok. I do feel like the PPP is the professor's lingering will. But also I do think the AI was telling the truth, his parents really did love him. They were just absolute ass at showing it.
Pretty much. However, there is a picture of him as a boy with Mabostiff when he was just a Maschiff playing together, showing the AI was telling the truth.
Does anyone else think it's odd that the grandma of pecharunt has her boweon the front of her Kimono (or Yukata, I am not sure)? I heard somewhere that this symbolizes something not so nice.
The story was a pretty wild ride. People so caught up in their own ambitions they don't stop to consider the risks and consequences. Now the real villian is who the hell put wind turbines with moving blades just to have them look worse than a slide show unless you next to them
the real villains were the friends we made along the way........wait on a serious note I find it interesting how paldea didn't really have a evil villain the professors were the closet we get and even then its said they realized too late the mistake they made and tried to fix it. If anything the only actual villain we got interesting enough was a pokemon and its group pecharunt and the dipshit three
4:35 like on my seventh attempt I decided to just cheese the terapogos battle with tacticooler (my intelion), at that moment my respect for dark pulse & the dark type grew
Also. What was Cyranos actual Goal? When you asked why was the BlueBerry Acadamy Built. He hesitated. I knew right of the Bat somethings of. But we'll never Know for sure. Maybe in the next game that takes place in another USA region?
There's one you forgot! Well, several but we only know the name of one of them. Harrington, the former headmaster, and his corrupt staff that victim blamed Team Star for doing what they themselves should have done ages ago. They were the real villains of the Star plot and we only get Harrington's name, and he doesn't even have a unique character design. I was expecting the rest of the staff to be hired by Blueberry and we'd get to fight them but alas. I was also hoping the Other Professor, Arven's other parent, the one who walked out when he was a baby, would be there and we'd get to fight them too, but double alas. Also as many people have pointed out, Raifort is about as supervillain as you can get without actually *doing* anything on screen.
The true villain was... Us. If not for us, none of Professor's ambitions would've ever happened. We gave Professor the White Book, which told Professor everything she needed to know about creating the Time Machine, which in turn created the Time Loop Paradox, and thus created every single problem, from Arven being lonely to an out of control Paradox Pokemon threatening to destroy the world. If not for us, Kieran would've been the same kid. We're some stranger from a far away place. Our arrival is directly tied to Ogerpon having contact with another person since we're new. Because of this, Ogrepon is vulnerable and when Carmine surprises her, she drops her mask. We lie to Kieran because Carmine thought it best, which in turn leads him to start investigating what really happened. When he finds out we met his hero and lied about it, he becomes the literal embodiment of the "IT SHOULD'VE BEEN ME! NOT HIM!" meme and starts a crusade to crush us to prove himself to Ogrepon. When Ogrepon becomes our friend and not his, he snaps, wanting to prove himself more and more to the world and show everyone that he, not us, is the best around. And as a side note, many of us didn't need his help against Terapagos. Only had 1 faint in this battle and I'm sure I could've solo'd it without Carmine and/or Kieran. Once again, playing with his emotions. But I guess he learned he could never defeat my team of 6 Arceus and gave up his ambition, which is nice. Finally, if not for us, Briar would've never had the opportunity to go to Area Zero. Through our actions in potentially saving Paldea from Paradox Pokemon, we showed the League that Area Zero needs to be investigated. At the risk of sounding like a certain Professor... If we had let nature take it's course, Paldea would've destroyed, and various Leagues from around the world would've been sent in to quarantine the area, forever sealing off any hopes Briar had at finding Terapagos. I'm not saying what we did was done maliciously, but we ARE "patient zero". We're the linchpin, the thing that caused everything.
That professor is not ous (our univrese/timeline) to begin with. If we put together their diary entries from Area 0 and what that professor tells us it does not match: - Ours invented the time machine first and brougth a koraidon before they knew they were expentin Arven. Kitakami pool professor already had a son that can be left alone, no time machine and no koraidoin. - They GAVE US the book we use to stop the time machine. We know it's the same book because of the written name. - The Underdepths area 0 jorunals mention a child but no word of giving us the scarlet/violet book nor the presence of koraidon.
@@Lionwoman While I'm a fan and believer of the Multiverse theory (This is something I've believed since ORAS), but I need to point a few things out. 1: We don't have a proper timeframe yet. How old is Arven? When did the Professor die? Was the Professor actually in Area Zero when we pulled them from the Pools? While it's easy enough to assume Arven had someone watching him growing up, that might not be the case. Pokemon is a world where a 9 year old is 2 feet tall and for some reason is allowed to live in the schools dorm rooms. That same 9 year old also has creatures that can harness elemental powers. I can name several instances where a Pokemon cared for a Human in nearly all canons. He has Mabosstiff for protection, plus whatever the Professor had at the house, and whatever technology the Professor had installed. Arven could easily live alone at a young age. 2: If we believe the Professor we pulled from the Pools isn't our Professor, the book also cannot be ours as our copy of the book was lost when the AI used the Time Machine. If the Professor is Turo, the book is somewhere in the future, be in our future or a Multiversal future, meaning the Turo we pulled could not have had our book, it would've had to have been his universes book. This only works if the Professor is Sada, as she goes to the past. The book could've been preserved somehow long enough for Heath to find it, then create "his own version" of it. Also, the name doesn't mean much. While it's true that in a Multiverse there are multiple possibilities, including ones that alter the very fabric of who you would be in your universe, a name is a name is a name. Sada would write her name down as Sada, and Turo would write down his name as Turo. Maybe it's a nickname, maybe it's shortened, whatever the case my be, the name remains the same. 3: The first two notes are on Terapagos and Stellar Type. Combined with the previous Area Zero Lab books, we know the Professor writes about one thing per entry, so it's pretty normal for the Professor to not mention the Raidon since s/he is making note of where they appeared and the potential why. Not mentioning the trade in an academic paper also isn't that unusual, though I would question the morality of it since it's common practice to list donors in an academic paper. But given their disregard for the ecological balance of the modern world, I'm not shocked if they did this. Now like I said, I do believe we're in a Multiverse. But it doesn't change much of the outcome, as our character from another universe would still be our character. While our actions might not affect our universe, it will affect another, and more than likely cause that universe to experience what we experienced.
Us being the villain makes no sense. Because even though even though technically the ones that gave the profs the book that doesnt mean we had motive delinerately cause everything that had happened.
To be honest, I hated Briar more than I did Kieran. Sure Kieran acted entitled to Ogrepon, but part of him was still sympathetic, considering we’re forced to lie to him. And while he is immature, he is still a kid. Additionally he does redeem himself in the epilogue by helping you out. Briar on the other hand has no excuse. At least with Kieran being a kid, he didn’t know any better about the consequences of Terapagos. Briar is a grown ass adult, who endangered her students by having Kieran use Terapagos and was so too blinded by her selfishness. Her apology felt really half-assed and I do not feel any sympathy for her.
Thank you for talking about Briar. What happens with terapagos is 100% her fault. She is the supervisor and adult in the situation. She is actively using her power as a teacher to manipulate Kieran and take advantage of his vulnerable mental state in order to get him to terrastilise Terapagos. She almost gets him killed as a result, when it was her responsibility to make sure these children got out of Area Zero, the most dangerous place in Paldea, safe and sound.
3:39 just bc you added "entirely" doesnt change the fact its the player characters fault who just doesnt tell about ogerpon to kieran bc carmine told them not to amd for some reason they listen to her for some reason. But at the end ogerpon chose us bc we are the main character and we HAVE to get the legendary. The same with terapagos, say what you will about an npc almost becoming self awere amd noticing how the mc is literaly unable to lose is him being a villain he did catch terapagos who JUST so happen to choose us immidietly after forming from its crystal and from looking at us for 2 seconds it grew to love us so much it broke the laws of pokémon JUST so it can be eith us instead of the useless kieran. So by the end of the story he literaly has nothing left, you destroyed him so much he doesnt even try to catch peachurant lol (also he did say he knows his being selfish but it realy made no sense for ogerpon to choose us)
The respective dead profs and Pecharunt were the true villains. Sada and Turo, even though dead, left behind a computer program that would carry out their ambitions without fail or thought to the safety of everyone else. Even the A.I.s knew this was a bad idea but couldn't do anything to stop it. Pecharunt was the soul reason for Ogrepon losing someone dear to her and setting the "Loyal" Three against her and her companion via mind controlling mochi.
Kieran isn't a villain so much as he is a misunderstood vulnerable autistic coded kid with trust and self-esteem issues. He's deluded himself into believing he's worthless due to years of being bullied, and then being lied to by his first ever real friend, which causes him to snap. He then develops a line of thinking that if he just gets strong enough, he'll be given the respect he deserves, as to be fair, he has been taken advantage of for most of his life, and therefore, given the circumstances, it's understandable why he develops this delusion. It's not his fault the way he ends up. He was constantly failed by the people around him. This line of thinking can't be broken by Drayton's tough love, as it just makes him spiral further down the spiral of self-hatred. The player uplifting him however, makes him break out of it. Also what happened with Terapagos was 10000% Briar's fault. She is the adult in this situation, she should be supervising over Kieran and the player, not manipulating Kieran into terrastilising Terapagos using her authority as a teacher and almost getting him killed. His autism coding isn't talked about nearly enough, and his constant demonisation for his autistic traits honestly leans into ableism.
Because we know that. They talked about it themselves in their journals, that they made the AI to serve as their assistant because they couldn't trust anyone else. The AI mentions trying to warn the professor about the consequences of Paradise.
All honesty it could be said in a way that we (the player character) are the villains of this story in a way but not by malicious intent. When we enter the cutscene to see the real professor in a temparol time paradox and set them on their path by trading the books and basically launching the story anew in another timeline. I mean that is one perspective but I wonder what everyone else thinks here. The thing I'm more interested in is in the Untold Story of Pecharunt, they made it clear that it came from from a faraway land like this is a set up for the next games, I mean you can't just say from a faraway land and think no one will ask specifically where, in the untold story (accompanied by lovely water art) it seems as though the setting could be from Johto (or a region yet unheard off as of now) but my theory is that it will the head subject Pokémon Day's Pokémon Presents direct.
That professor is not ous (our univrese/timeline) to begin with. If we put together their diary entries from Area 0 and what that professor tells us it does not match: - Ours invented the time machine first and brougth a koraidon before they knew they were expentin Arven. Kitakami pool professor already had a son that can be left alone, no time machine and no koraidoin. - They GAVE US the book we use to stop the time machine. We know it's the same book because of the written name. - The Underdepths area 0 jorunals mention a child but no word of giving us the scarlet/violet book nor the presence of koraidon.
I feel like we diverted the professor from their path in that timeline rather than continuing a cycle. At the end, they say they're going to go home and read their new book, which I feel like is storytelling shorthand for pulling back and being a better parent
I still feel like Kieran despite the bad things he's done, wqs pretty justified in the way he was thinking. He was all alone until we came along, but we lied to and betrayed him. Befriending Ogerpon was his childhood dream, and we took that away from him. And the fact that he was entitled to Ogerpon is just straight up false. People seem to forget he was just fine with letting her go back to her cave. He started objecting when Ogerpon wanted to join our character. Because we betrayed him, he doesn't believe that we're trustworthy and that we'll take good care of her. He doesn't want to catch her because he wants her for himself. He opposes us because he thinks we don't deserve Ogerpon, and he has good reasons to think that in my opinion. But because of his loneliness, and Carmine's mental abuse (and some of her dialogue hints at physical abuse too), he was forced to repress his emotions. But our character's actions were what caused him to be unable to keep repressing his emotions any longer (he repressed them for years), and his emotions exploded. That's why he's the way he is in the Indigo. The anger, frustration and pain that Carmine's abuse forced him to keep inside for years are now outside. He can't hold them in anymore. But we can clearly see he still has insecurities, like when he says to the random club member that if you're no good in battle, then you're not worth it (or something around those lines). This is clearly him projecting his insecurities onto others, because us crushing him all the time caused him to think that way. We took the few things he had left to make him want to keep going and crushed them. And we do that again when we take his Champion title from him. At this point he's desperate. He has nothing left. Terapagos is his only chance to make things right (in his eyes) and finally beat us. But in Area Zero, we save his life, proving to him that we do care, and after that he can't move because he realizes the mistake he's made and he feels like if he just takes a step, he'll make everything worse again. And at the end, he apologizes. Carmine, this is partially her fault, but not once does she apologize, even though she should.
Idk, Kieran’s time as blueberry proved that he needed Carmine or us as the player as friends or he would become a literal manifestation of insecurities. Like as much as I didn’t like Carmine in TM, she was right about him having an ego. Drayton beat him multiple times prior to his return to his home and he didn’t care that much since he was having fun, it wasn’t till he isolated himself that he didn’t.
I assume the physical abuse line is: "I WAS being nice! It's not like I hit him or anything!" Correct? I'm pretty sure her saying that was just in response to being scolded by her grandfather (presumably for the first time.) Something like: "You're acting like I hit him or something!" Would be a better way to put it. Not to defend her there, that was absolutely uncalled for when she told him to get lost. Or if you're referring to the line: "Watch who you call dummy if you know what's good for you!" To me, that's standard sibling talk. I know not everyone has siblings like that but from general experience it isn't anything more than an empty threat. If she was shown to actually not like her little brother I could see why it may indicate physical violence, but Carmine is shown to love him more than anything, implied by several of her lines. I don't think Carmine has it in her to actually hit Kieran, or anyone for that matter. She's all talk. Her issue, in my eyes, is how overprotective she is. She doesn't want to lose Kieran because she herself is quite lonely. She straight up admits to that, actually. So, she resorts to shielding him away from anything that might take him from her. (Albiet that point gets kind of lost in translation during the Teal Mask, where she conpletely ditches him for us, but that's an issue with the writers.) Her lie is not justified but I would argue it is within reason. At that point in the story she'd never forgive herself if she let her younger brother get maimed or killed in the dangerous mountains of Kitakami. She doesn't know Ogerpon is friendly and still believes it to be a bloodlusting tyrant. You can tell she feels terrible about lying way before she tries to apologize to him. She questions whether she overthought it, and then during the scene where the grandfather tells them not to say anything to Kieran, she slumps over with guilt on her face and says: "Now I REALLY can't tell Kiki..." Speaking of Ogerpon, why does everyone seem to ignore Ogerpon's feelings? Even Carmine was able to realise that it too, is a living being capable of independant thinking. It bonded with the main character and went with them. Where's the issue in that? I get that spending your whole life obsessing over a creature you can truly relate to would feel like you earned the right to own it, but in the end, Ogerpon wants a trainer she can trust. It might sound harsh, but Kieran's feelings here just don't matter. Ogerpon made her choice, Kieran insisting on keeping her probably just freaked her out further and if anything squandered his chance of getting to know her. That's his own fault. And I'm sorry, but no amount amount of mental abuse makes it acceptable or justifiable to do what he went and did/tried to do in the Indigo Disk. I'm not going to villainise him for lashing out and bottling up his emotions, of course. But with that being said, he is not in the right (I kind of get the feeling that's what the original comment was trying to say.) Kieran puts a lot of trust in Carmine, something I don't believe he would have if she abused him physically. He often hides behind her for comfort, even one time in the Indigo Disk. He doesn't flinch when she shakes her fists. Kieran's biggest influence is the Main character. Of whom I find to be a power-hungry, gluttonous menace. Seriously, we cause so many issues just by doing main character things. For WHAT reason do we need to catch Terapagos in front of him just like we did with Ogerpon? We acknowledge that he was upset by us taking Ogerpon, and yet we repeated history, regardless of whether he gave us permission. I mean, when you get Carmine down to her last Pokemon she says "I'll wipe that smirk off your face!" Smirk! We're taking pleasure in subjugating those around us. And since Kieran wants to be like us... he's also going to mimic that power-hungry, sly demeanour we have. Which is exactly what happens. Forget Carmine, we're the one who had a major impact on him.
@@Oceane1803Idk, he had people who liked him, but he never reached out to them because he was scared of them not liking him or Carmine scared them off. She did say she was a TAD bit protective of him, so she might have shoved off people like idk... Drayton who she most likely didn't see fit of being his friends. What I got from Kieran's interactions with us in Kitakami before the lie, he seemed to want friends but didn't know how to get them. That is why Carmine pairs him up with us with the hope of having Kieran step out of his comfort zone to make friends back at school: Like Crispin seems cool with him, Drayton enjoyed the fact that Kieran didn't care that his Pokemon were weaker than everyone else's. He was just vibing, and Amarys liked the timid but thoughtful boy he used to be. It wasn't till he returned from Kitakami with the idea of "might make a right" that jaded his perspective of poke battling. That Crispin and Lacey didn't want to be around him, meanwhile Amarys and Drayton wanted to help him.
@@ArcknivesDon't blame the MC for this. They were legitimately swept into drama! Like Kieran's insecurities of wanting to get strong to befriend Ogrepon were there before we got there, and Carmine's overprotectiveness of Kieran was also there prior. It was just the perfect storm that a champion-ranked trainer would just so happen to win the lottery to kitakami. Like we did NOTHING wrong.
I think we may get an update in the future allowing us to activate the time machine with the book from the crystal pool and then there may be a true villain.
The only villains were the wild Pokémon. They were basically the only ones standing in the way of progress. That and the Pokemon company rushing out this game which was a fatal error
Surprised that Carmine isn't dragged over the coals as much as she deserves, she knew her brother was a somewhat obsessed fan of Ogrepon and she tells us to lie to him and not bring him in to the fold to help until basically the end, so she ALSO basically steals (or tries to, you can't win me over that easily, bitch) his first genuine friend who approached him from a place equal ground and doesn't treat him like he's something weak, Fragile and needs to be handled with care. when he goes gung ho out the window after having his dream crushed right in front of him, I actually felt kind of bad, I know it was Ogrepon's choice because we were outsiders like she was and her first interaction with us was extremely positive. IDK her passing off what is clearly a mental breakdown as "teen Angst" and not trying harder to help her brother because he Scared her is just kinda shitty. she's not a good elder sister and I wonder how much of Keirans shyness is because Carmine smothers him down so much.
Okay, I’m getting sick and tired of this. I am trying my best to figure out which professor is which villain in Scarlet and Violet is the past Professor at Wilhelm in Scarlet where are the AzzyLand inviolate same goes for the future professor I’m just trying to figure things out
I think that Team star is kinda just worse Team Yell. They aren’t bad, but… It’s just “Team Skull was popular, soooo…” Team skull was so popular was because they weren’t villains, just kinda pricks. Team yell is the same, except they added “but we are kinda good guys” Then team star took it too far.
Scarlet/Violet have the best narrative BECAUSE there are no generic mustache twirling douchebags trying to blow up or take over the world because evil.
I ultimately don’t find kieran to be a villain rather a person who is misunderstood due to us and her older sister was a massive jerk and stupidity obnoxious. I also don’t mind if they choose someone else to be our villain instead of Kieran. Carmine fit that role perfectly consider on the what her personality is majorly selfish and disrespectful and somewhat hypocritical as we see her actions in the teal mask and a little bit after the indigo disk and the mochi mayhem dlc. Doing the mochi mayhem dlc with him as a friend and partner is way better than carmine. I also wish that we can do the lousy three hunt together to get ogerpon’s mask instead with carmine. Maybe then Kieran can get a better change to keep the oger pokémon for himself. Game freak really make us the true villains with a female character that deserves the despise hate and that to me takes away the fun😒
Honestly I’m kinda tired of newer villains as of late. We haven’t gotten a ACTUAL villain or a ACTUAL evil team since Gen 7. Chairman Rose was a horribly rushed villain with barely any motive and the “villains” of Scarlet and Violet aren’t really evil but mostly cloud by their desires. I mean the only MEMORABLE villain we got in the newer generations is Volo and he’s practically one of the best villains GameFreak ever made.
Maxie and Archie were clouded by their desires as well, one wanted more water for the pokemon and the other wanted more land for the humans, both with good intentions but in the end they realized they have gone too far because not only their plans were already dangerous because it can disturb the way of living of both people or pokemon in the first place, they also underestimated the power of both Groudon and Kyogre and it could have ended with either the world gets completely flooded/dried up or having the both of them fight each other and cause huge damages wherever they go
Wait... "we haven't gotten an ACTUAL villain since Gen 7" but then you say Volo is one of the best villains Game Freak has ever made even though he's gen 8. Also I'd easily say that the professors were pretty evil. They had good in them but they were still willing to destroy the ecosystem of Paldea to get what they wanted, and screwed over their assistant by making them a mindless puppet of the security system (likely for speaking up to oppose the plan, considering that the AI didn't know about the PPP, meaning it would have been implanted in them after their creation/inheriting the professor's memories)
And seriously, while friends are good and all, I hate when they’re depicted as everything. That will only encourage people into thinking the only way to win, is murdering friends.
True villain might be us tbh. Keiran was a perfectly fine lad just trying to be a good trainer, but we swoop in, show that we're better than him in every fathomable way, take his ogre, steal his story, and cause him to downward spiral into an obsessive trainer that snapped and battled until he became the champion at his school, and the first thing we do is show up to said school and dethrone him as champion.
One thing I think is a pretty common overlap with these "villains" are their intentions and ambitions taking them too far.
The professor got so engrossed in the studies of the past and future, it left them neglectful and careless, ultimately leading to their passing.
Keiran loved Ogrepon to the point of feeling entitled to its companionship and not respecting what Ogrepon actually wants. He then wished to be the strongest but after the events of Kitakami became obsessed with it and beating us and not caring about anyone/anything else.
Briar really wanted to unlock Terapagos and unleash it's true power, not realizing the possible danger of awakening such a legend until it was too late.
Hell even Pecharunt wanted the happiness of his caretakers which lead to all of Ogrepon's emotional damage.
I agree
I think that is the theme.
Bro, Carmine is the real villain. The mc and Carmine literally bullied Kieran. We could've helped him but we never did.
We just showed up one day in kitakami, and stole ogrepon from Kieran despite how attached Kieran was, and grew up loving ogrepon even when he didn't know.
Sure, ogrepon chose us for gameplay, but honestly we should've given it to him.
@@cheesewrap I feel like a lot of people don't remember why we didn't tell Kieran. That wasn't Carmine's decision, it was her grandfather. He didn't believe Kieran would keep his mouth shut at this point in his life and feared that what would happen to his ancestor would happen to him. Plus I don't feel like Kieran is entitled to Ogrepon just because he believed (based off, at the time, 0 evidence) Ogrepon at the endcof the day is the one who gets to choose and it chose us. I'm not saying Kieran isn't allowed to be angry and when it comes to Carmine, yeah she was a terrible sister and only cared when Kieran was starting his edgy arc but I think both situations have more nuance than "we were the worst people ever and bullied Kieran. He deserves everything".
is kind of the polar opposite of the theme of the game, find your treasure, but instead of friend is mora a greedy ambition
I wanna add Raifort to the mix, since she is basically Naranja Academy's version of Briar, but for the Ruinous Four instead. She gave me morally dubious, self serving vibes. Like if this were a fantasy magic school novel, she'd be the one using us, the top student in her class and skilled mage, as a pawn to fufill her ambition when it comes to the legends. Honestly wish they did more with them, but hey, they almost never do with the extra legends.
And also in BB academy dialogue she says to Jacq she needs him for a ritual [that involves him as a sacrifice]
@@AllanGuiHaya70and he accepts
She is definitly a villian, just not a caught villian and stopped villian. She is soo shady.
She said "Male Sacrifice" for the ritual. Good thing Jaq is a Biology Teacher for that @@AllanGuiHaya70
@@AllanGuiHaya70 Didn't the grass gym leader allude to her stealing some of the relics she wears in the dlc? I remember seeing it on yt
Maybe the real villains were the friends we made along the way.
I mean Penny literally hacked into a government system...
i like the fact that there arn't any evil characters in the game.. the true "villian" of these games are really Obsession
What obsession does to a mf
Being fully aware that your plan will destroy the region and going ahead with it anyway is pretty evil.
I really loved how all the antagonists was handled in Scarlet and Violet, i can't wait to see what they would do with a full on villain like Volo again in future game.
I loved Kieran's character so damn much. The final fight between you and him felt SOO personal, and it felt like it was your DUTY to defeat him and get through to him! So good! :D
A lot of people say that we’re the asshole. him after we beat him, especially in the BB league and take his champion title but again. The one who walked up to him and called him ex champion and told him that was Drayton. also the whole reason they were in that club in the first place was because of Drayton. we learn we’re not supposed to sign up being exchanged exchange student, but Kieran is the one that allows us. Why also threatening us that we better at least anybody but him so yeah we’re kind of forced into that club by gunpoint.
Briar had the best setup to be bad guy, introduced us to Terapagos, had a genetic direct connection to the most important npc in the game (that wasn’t in the game unironically ), she had a cool theme that could have had a sinister version remix… missed opportunity imo
@@WildWeavile oh I still don't trust her at all
i don't know why it felt so cool seeing the ai professors pulling out an infinite source of master balls out of the auto capture machine thing
I would say all these “villains” would be classified as antagonists instead. I was kinda hoping Briar was gonna be the surprise villain that she was gonna catch Terapagos and her motive was to clear her family name after all the shame/humiliation Heath faced would’ve made sense. I’m happy we didn’t get a traditional villain in this game since it was an emotional journey. I do hope we get a real villain again in the next game whether it be another organization or a solo villain like Volo.
Heh if you thought that was good storytelling then you need to treat yourself to an actual game like final fantasy 5 or anything else
@@BillSchrader booooo you suck
@@BillSchrader FF6 is my favorite game of all time and I still love the story in SV
@@BJGvideos ok but that doesn’t make me think it’s any good
@@BillSchrader So why are you watching videos about its story?
I think Paldea had the most wild and cool pokemon designs!! I really liked Paldea, and I'm exited for the next region!
What I like abiut Kieran is the fact that he is no longer shy and weak.
He turned strong, arrogant and toxic due to being too competitive.
But at the end of the DLC, he is strong yet now gentle. He understands that he can still have fun with battles without being too competitive about winning.
In the clubroom if you rematch him. He still smiles even if you beat him and he stated that he will one day try to reclaim the champion title one day and he is working on trying to get along again with others. Especially with Drayton whom he antagonized the most.
to be fair, Drayton was a lazy slacker that burdens the rest of the club, and a toxic manipulator. While Drayton cares for Kieran deep down, bullying an (heavily implied to be beyond the point of deniability) autistic young teen during a mental breakdown when you are a grown man is just wrong.
People say there's no actual villian, only antagonists, but I think it's definitely the original Professor Sada/Turo, the AI made it clear they were willing to destroy an entire ecosystem just so they could fulfill their desire of mixing Paradox pokemon with current pokemon and not care
True. They were very complex people and there's always the lingering question of if they could have changed. After all, they died to save a loved one, so if they had survived could they have realized what the AI was saying all along? Or would they have doubled down on it and only gotten worse, fueled by their brush with death making them realize that time is short? And honestly both are equally likely, and we can never truly know what could have been.
@@BJGvideos yeah they're interesting people but I feel like we know too little of the actual professor to know if they would change for the better. I think the brief meeting we had with them in Kitakami alluded they definitely felt some remorse of not being close to Arven but that's really it. When the Protection Protocol activated, the AI professor exclaimed in disbelief and almost disgust how much they solely cared for the project of the time machine. I hope we get to learn more about them in Masters
@@shuichisaihope398 I wonder how they'll do that in Masters. Will they be from the alternate timeline of the crystal pool? Will they be the one who left when Arven was a baby? Will Masters do what they did with Lysandre and just pull them from a universe where they didn't die? And will we get the AIs?
...I will whale so hard if we get the AIs you have no idea I would spend actual money on them.
@@BJGvideos The crystal pool one is implied to be the original sada/turo so it's either just going to be the OG professor or AI. I actually don't know which one they'll pick, or maybe like AI Sada and Real Turo or vice versa? I've always wondered how they'll incorporate them in there. I could see AI Sada/Turo with Terapagos since that's the only way they can leave the Zero Lab (they said in the game the crystals power them)
@@shuichisaihope398 The crystal pool one tells us things that don't line up at all with what we know of the one from our world, including from their own writing. Like they talk about making a machine that will reach parallel worlds and say nothing about a time machine, or about how they've never met the paradox dragon despite not only Arven already being born but also the other parent having left. And of course they give up their copy of Heath's book, something the professor in our world never did.
Haha I'm doing a fic right now where Hoopa pulls the AIs and now the Gadgeteer group has to get them functional again. It was going to be a much more lighthearted fic until Penny was added and of course that's the group she's in so now she's got anxiety over "will that program take over again", and thoughts about her own family, and a bunch of stuff.
After seeing the heartfelt cut scene between Arven and the AI, my Mom became convinced that the consciousness, or spirit, if you wanna put it that way, was somehow transferred into the AI as they died and then went on to try and destroy their own dream after realizing the mistake they made, as well as trying to apologize to their son for neglecting him for so long. I think she might be right. Honestly, it does seem interesting if Pokémon really did pull a FNAF on us.
I feel like the AI also loved him on their own, from their memories. We know that the AI had their own personality even when the professor was alive.
I know. I don't really believe this anymore, since there's no real evidence to support it.
@@loganbrony130 Aah ok. I do feel like the PPP is the professor's lingering will. But also I do think the AI was telling the truth, his parents really did love him. They were just absolute ass at showing it.
Pretty much. However, there is a picture of him as a boy with Mabostiff when he was just a Maschiff playing together, showing the AI was telling the truth.
@@loganbrony130 Oh totally. Finding that, combined with the empty frame in the lighthouse--aah!
The true villain is the frame rate and bugs
Does anyone else think it's odd that the grandma of pecharunt has her boweon the front of her Kimono (or Yukata, I am not sure)?
I heard somewhere that this symbolizes something not so nice.
"Something not so nice"?
@@BJGvideos I heard that it symbolyizes a Bad word for an "adult worker"
@@Ammiteur9 You can say "prostitute". It's not a swear word. Use real language instead of this obnoxious gen Z ultra sanitized garbage.
Great video
No one's pure evil, just natural human selfishness that leads to actions as well as consequences
The only real villain was Drayton when he unleashed the "ex-champion" burn.
I honestly feel bad for Team Star… I hope they get a Hero Arc In the Next Game
The professors are definitely the villains idrk why it's a debate. They share the same "my way is the best" theme as Archie and Maxie.
They also have a heavy dose of Rose and even a little of Cyrus and Volo.
I like how the Professor was not only dead, but if they had been still alive, would have probably been the villains too.
The PPP seemed to have been their lingering will, which was super intense.
Brian was suspicious because she was the only who didn't help defeat terapagos
The story was a pretty wild ride. People so caught up in their own ambitions they don't stop to consider the risks and consequences. Now the real villian is who the hell put wind turbines with moving blades just to have them look worse than a slide show unless you next to them
the real villains were the friends we made along the way........wait
on a serious note I find it interesting how paldea didn't really have a evil villain the professors were the closet we get and even then its said they realized too late the mistake they made and tried to fix it. If anything the only actual villain we got interesting enough was a pokemon and its group pecharunt and the dipshit three
The professors didn't try to fix their mistakes though.
the true villain is the framerate
4:35 like on my seventh attempt I decided to just cheese the terapogos battle with tacticooler (my intelion), at that moment my respect for dark pulse & the dark type grew
Also. What was Cyranos actual Goal? When you asked why was the BlueBerry Acadamy Built. He hesitated. I knew right of the Bat somethings of. But we'll never Know for sure. Maybe in the next game that takes place in another USA region?
Cyrano's goal is to be as extra as possible
There's one you forgot! Well, several but we only know the name of one of them. Harrington, the former headmaster, and his corrupt staff that victim blamed Team Star for doing what they themselves should have done ages ago. They were the real villains of the Star plot and we only get Harrington's name, and he doesn't even have a unique character design.
I was expecting the rest of the staff to be hired by Blueberry and we'd get to fight them but alas. I was also hoping the Other Professor, Arven's other parent, the one who walked out when he was a baby, would be there and we'd get to fight them too, but double alas.
Also as many people have pointed out, Raifort is about as supervillain as you can get without actually *doing* anything on screen.
There’s a zombie on your lawn
The true villain is Game Freak for still not having voice acting in the games.
The true villain in all of this is ambition and obsession
*The true villain is Ghetcis.*
I wished he actually did showed up, like he was secretly funding Blueberry Academy for his own agenda and planned to raid Area Zero
@@dantemustdie00Maybe if we get BW3 we’ll see him again
Ghetcis as opposed to Ghettrans 🔥
The true villain was... Us.
If not for us, none of Professor's ambitions would've ever happened. We gave Professor the White Book, which told Professor everything she needed to know about creating the Time Machine, which in turn created the Time Loop Paradox, and thus created every single problem, from Arven being lonely to an out of control Paradox Pokemon threatening to destroy the world.
If not for us, Kieran would've been the same kid. We're some stranger from a far away place. Our arrival is directly tied to Ogerpon having contact with another person since we're new. Because of this, Ogrepon is vulnerable and when Carmine surprises her, she drops her mask. We lie to Kieran because Carmine thought it best, which in turn leads him to start investigating what really happened. When he finds out we met his hero and lied about it, he becomes the literal embodiment of the "IT SHOULD'VE BEEN ME! NOT HIM!" meme and starts a crusade to crush us to prove himself to Ogrepon. When Ogrepon becomes our friend and not his, he snaps, wanting to prove himself more and more to the world and show everyone that he, not us, is the best around. And as a side note, many of us didn't need his help against Terapagos. Only had 1 faint in this battle and I'm sure I could've solo'd it without Carmine and/or Kieran. Once again, playing with his emotions. But I guess he learned he could never defeat my team of 6 Arceus and gave up his ambition, which is nice.
Finally, if not for us, Briar would've never had the opportunity to go to Area Zero. Through our actions in potentially saving Paldea from Paradox Pokemon, we showed the League that Area Zero needs to be investigated. At the risk of sounding like a certain Professor... If we had let nature take it's course, Paldea would've destroyed, and various Leagues from around the world would've been sent in to quarantine the area, forever sealing off any hopes Briar had at finding Terapagos.
I'm not saying what we did was done maliciously, but we ARE "patient zero". We're the linchpin, the thing that caused everything.
That professor is not ous (our univrese/timeline) to begin with. If we put together their diary entries from Area 0 and what that professor tells us it does not match:
- Ours invented the time machine first and brougth a koraidon before they knew they were expentin Arven. Kitakami pool professor already had a son that can be left alone, no time machine and no koraidoin.
- They GAVE US the book we use to stop the time machine. We know it's the same book because of the written name.
- The Underdepths area 0 jorunals mention a child but no word of giving us the scarlet/violet book nor the presence of koraidon.
@@Lionwoman While I'm a fan and believer of the Multiverse theory (This is something I've believed since ORAS), but I need to point a few things out.
1: We don't have a proper timeframe yet. How old is Arven? When did the Professor die? Was the Professor actually in Area Zero when we pulled them from the Pools? While it's easy enough to assume Arven had someone watching him growing up, that might not be the case. Pokemon is a world where a 9 year old is 2 feet tall and for some reason is allowed to live in the schools dorm rooms. That same 9 year old also has creatures that can harness elemental powers. I can name several instances where a Pokemon cared for a Human in nearly all canons. He has Mabosstiff for protection, plus whatever the Professor had at the house, and whatever technology the Professor had installed. Arven could easily live alone at a young age.
2: If we believe the Professor we pulled from the Pools isn't our Professor, the book also cannot be ours as our copy of the book was lost when the AI used the Time Machine. If the Professor is Turo, the book is somewhere in the future, be in our future or a Multiversal future, meaning the Turo we pulled could not have had our book, it would've had to have been his universes book. This only works if the Professor is Sada, as she goes to the past. The book could've been preserved somehow long enough for Heath to find it, then create "his own version" of it. Also, the name doesn't mean much. While it's true that in a Multiverse there are multiple possibilities, including ones that alter the very fabric of who you would be in your universe, a name is a name is a name. Sada would write her name down as Sada, and Turo would write down his name as Turo. Maybe it's a nickname, maybe it's shortened, whatever the case my be, the name remains the same.
3: The first two notes are on Terapagos and Stellar Type. Combined with the previous Area Zero Lab books, we know the Professor writes about one thing per entry, so it's pretty normal for the Professor to not mention the Raidon since s/he is making note of where they appeared and the potential why. Not mentioning the trade in an academic paper also isn't that unusual, though I would question the morality of it since it's common practice to list donors in an academic paper. But given their disregard for the ecological balance of the modern world, I'm not shocked if they did this.
Now like I said, I do believe we're in a Multiverse. But it doesn't change much of the outcome, as our character from another universe would still be our character. While our actions might not affect our universe, it will affect another, and more than likely cause that universe to experience what we experienced.
Us being the villain makes no sense. Because even though even though technically the ones that gave the profs the book that doesnt mean we had motive delinerately cause everything that had happened.
paradox. there is the part
Yep, the main character is the true villain, in the true mastermind of the entire scarlet and violet series
Maybe the villains were the new friends we made along the way. They did it and make it wonderful.
To be honest, I hated Briar more than I did Kieran. Sure Kieran acted entitled to Ogrepon, but part of him was still sympathetic, considering we’re forced to lie to him. And while he is immature, he is still a kid. Additionally he does redeem himself in the epilogue by helping you out.
Briar on the other hand has no excuse. At least with Kieran being a kid, he didn’t know any better about the consequences of Terapagos. Briar is a grown ass adult, who endangered her students by having Kieran use Terapagos and was so too blinded by her selfishness. Her apology felt really half-assed and I do not feel any sympathy for her.
Maybe the true villans are the friends we made along the way
Thank you for talking about Briar. What happens with terapagos is 100% her fault. She is the supervisor and adult in the situation. She is actively using her power as a teacher to manipulate Kieran and take advantage of his vulnerable mental state in order to get him to terrastilise Terapagos. She almost gets him killed as a result, when it was her responsibility to make sure these children got out of Area Zero, the most dangerous place in Paldea, safe and sound.
3:39 just bc you added "entirely" doesnt change the fact its the player characters fault who just doesnt tell about ogerpon to kieran bc carmine told them not to amd for some reason they listen to her for some reason. But at the end ogerpon chose us bc we are the main character and we HAVE to get the legendary. The same with terapagos, say what you will about an npc almost becoming self awere amd noticing how the mc is literaly unable to lose is him being a villain he did catch terapagos who JUST so happen to choose us immidietly after forming from its crystal and from looking at us for 2 seconds it grew to love us so much it broke the laws of pokémon JUST so it can be eith us instead of the useless kieran. So by the end of the story he literaly has nothing left, you destroyed him so much he doesnt even try to catch peachurant lol (also he did say he knows his being selfish but it realy made no sense for ogerpon to choose us)
Personally I think Briar is the truest villain.
What's a pecharunt? Mochi? And was that an alive professor? Did I not beat the DLC?
I wonder if people actually want pure evil villains.
Ghetsis is pretty popular and he's the biggest shitstain in the series. He's popular BECAUSE he's the absolute worst.
@@BJGvideos Sure ? He seems to be so evil it makes him cool.
The respective dead profs and Pecharunt were the true villains.
Sada and Turo, even though dead, left behind a computer program that would carry out their ambitions without fail or thought to the safety of everyone else. Even the A.I.s knew this was a bad idea but couldn't do anything to stop it.
Pecharunt was the soul reason for Ogrepon losing someone dear to her and setting the "Loyal" Three against her and her companion via mind controlling mochi.
Forgotten villain also--Harrington and his corrupt staff being the real villains of the Star plot
I'm still a little salty that Geeta didn't end up being a twist villain.
Oh well...
Yeah life is full of a disappointment 😢
Just ask most of the gym leaders. They'll tell ya.
Kieran isn't a villain so much as he is a misunderstood vulnerable autistic coded kid with trust and self-esteem issues. He's deluded himself into believing he's worthless due to years of being bullied, and then being lied to by his first ever real friend, which causes him to snap.
He then develops a line of thinking that if he just gets strong enough, he'll be given the respect he deserves, as to be fair, he has been taken advantage of for most of his life, and therefore, given the circumstances, it's understandable why he develops this delusion.
It's not his fault the way he ends up. He was constantly failed by the people around him.
This line of thinking can't be broken by Drayton's tough love, as it just makes him spiral further down the spiral of self-hatred. The player uplifting him however, makes him break out of it.
Also what happened with Terapagos was 10000% Briar's fault. She is the adult in this situation, she should be supervising over Kieran and the player, not manipulating Kieran into terrastilising Terapagos using her authority as a teacher and almost getting him killed.
His autism coding isn't talked about nearly enough, and his constant demonisation for his autistic traits honestly leans into ableism.
"Apparent" lack. Heh. I see what you did there.
Why is no one talking about the fact that the Professors must of made a robot body before dying.
Because we know that. They talked about it themselves in their journals, that they made the AI to serve as their assistant because they couldn't trust anyone else. The AI mentions trying to warn the professor about the consequences of Paradise.
The true villain? It was me(Dio)!
The true villains of the games, especially the dlc is the player
No, how did you come to that conclusion?
All honesty it could be said in a way that we (the player character) are the villains of this story in a way but not by malicious intent. When we enter the cutscene to see the real professor in a temparol time paradox and set them on their path by trading the books and basically launching the story anew in another timeline. I mean that is one perspective but I wonder what everyone else thinks here.
The thing I'm more interested in is in the Untold Story of Pecharunt, they made it clear that it came from from a faraway land like this is a set up for the next games, I mean you can't just say from a faraway land and think no one will ask specifically where, in the untold story (accompanied by lovely water art) it seems as though the setting could be from Johto (or a region yet unheard off as of now) but my theory is that it will the head subject Pokémon Day's Pokémon Presents direct.
That professor is not ous (our univrese/timeline) to begin with. If we put together their diary entries from Area 0 and what that professor tells us it does not match:
- Ours invented the time machine first and brougth a koraidon before they knew they were expentin Arven. Kitakami pool professor already had a son that can be left alone, no time machine and no koraidoin.
- They GAVE US the book we use to stop the time machine. We know it's the same book because of the written name.
- The Underdepths area 0 jorunals mention a child but no word of giving us the scarlet/violet book nor the presence of koraidon.
@@Lionwoman They did say "in another timeline" but even so I feel like we diverted the alternate professor from the path the one in our world took.
I feel like we diverted the professor from their path in that timeline rather than continuing a cycle. At the end, they say they're going to go home and read their new book, which I feel like is storytelling shorthand for pulling back and being a better parent
I still feel like Kieran despite the bad things he's done, wqs pretty justified in the way he was thinking.
He was all alone until we came along, but we lied to and betrayed him. Befriending Ogerpon was his childhood dream, and we took that away from him.
And the fact that he was entitled to Ogerpon is just straight up false. People seem to forget he was just fine with letting her go back to her cave.
He started objecting when Ogerpon wanted to join our character. Because we betrayed him, he doesn't believe that we're trustworthy and that we'll take good care of her.
He doesn't want to catch her because he wants her for himself. He opposes us because he thinks we don't deserve Ogerpon, and he has good reasons to think that in my opinion.
But because of his loneliness, and Carmine's mental abuse (and some of her dialogue hints at physical abuse too), he was forced to repress his emotions.
But our character's actions were what caused him to be unable to keep repressing his emotions any longer (he repressed them for years), and his emotions exploded.
That's why he's the way he is in the Indigo. The anger, frustration and pain that Carmine's abuse forced him to keep inside for years are now outside. He can't hold them in anymore.
But we can clearly see he still has insecurities, like when he says to the random club member that if you're no good in battle, then you're not worth it (or something around those lines).
This is clearly him projecting his insecurities onto others, because us crushing him all the time caused him to think that way.
We took the few things he had left to make him want to keep going and crushed them. And we do that again when we take his Champion title from him.
At this point he's desperate. He has nothing left. Terapagos is his only chance to make things right (in his eyes) and finally beat us.
But in Area Zero, we save his life, proving to him that we do care, and after that he can't move because he realizes the mistake he's made and he feels like if he just takes a step, he'll make everything worse again.
And at the end, he apologizes. Carmine, this is partially her fault, but not once does she apologize, even though she should.
Idk, Kieran’s time as blueberry proved that he needed Carmine or us as the player as friends or he would become a literal manifestation of insecurities.
Like as much as I didn’t like Carmine in TM, she was right about him having an ego.
Drayton beat him multiple times prior to his return to his home and he didn’t care that much since he was having fun, it wasn’t till he isolated himself that he didn’t.
@@WildWeavile He didn't isolate himself, we isolated him by lying to him and spending all of our time with Carmine. He had no friends, remember.
I assume the physical abuse line is:
"I WAS being nice! It's not like I hit him or anything!"
Correct?
I'm pretty sure her saying that was just in response to being scolded by her grandfather (presumably for the first time.)
Something like: "You're acting like I hit him or something!" Would be a better way to put it.
Not to defend her there, that was absolutely uncalled for when she told him to get lost.
Or if you're referring to the line:
"Watch who you call dummy if you know what's good for you!"
To me, that's standard sibling talk. I know not everyone has siblings like that but from general experience it isn't anything more than an empty threat. If she was shown to actually not like her little brother I could see why it may indicate physical violence, but Carmine is shown to love him more than anything, implied by several of her lines.
I don't think Carmine has it in her to actually hit Kieran, or anyone for that matter. She's all talk.
Her issue, in my eyes, is how overprotective she is. She doesn't want to lose Kieran because she herself is quite lonely. She straight up admits to that, actually. So, she resorts to shielding him away from anything that might take him from her. (Albiet that point gets kind of lost in translation during the Teal Mask, where she conpletely ditches him for us, but that's an issue with the writers.) Her lie is not justified but I would argue it is within reason. At that point in the story she'd never forgive herself if she let her younger brother get maimed or killed in the dangerous mountains of Kitakami. She doesn't know Ogerpon is friendly and still believes it to be a bloodlusting tyrant.
You can tell she feels terrible about lying way before she tries to apologize to him. She questions whether she overthought it, and then during the scene where the grandfather tells them not to say anything to Kieran, she slumps over with guilt on her face and says:
"Now I REALLY can't tell Kiki..."
Speaking of Ogerpon, why does everyone seem to ignore Ogerpon's feelings? Even Carmine was able to realise that it too, is a living being capable of independant thinking. It bonded with the main character and went with them. Where's the issue in that? I get that spending your whole life obsessing over a creature you can truly relate to would feel like you earned the right to own it, but in the end, Ogerpon wants a trainer she can trust.
It might sound harsh, but Kieran's feelings here just don't matter. Ogerpon made her choice, Kieran insisting on keeping her probably just freaked her out further and if anything squandered his chance of getting to know her. That's his own fault.
And I'm sorry, but no amount amount of mental abuse makes it acceptable or justifiable to do what he went and did/tried to do in the Indigo Disk.
I'm not going to villainise him for lashing out and bottling up his emotions, of course. But with that being said, he is not in the right (I kind of get the feeling that's what the original comment was trying to say.)
Kieran puts a lot of trust in Carmine, something I don't believe he would have if she abused him physically. He often hides behind her for comfort, even one time in the Indigo Disk. He doesn't flinch when she shakes her fists.
Kieran's biggest influence is the Main character. Of whom I find to be a power-hungry, gluttonous menace. Seriously, we cause so many issues just by doing main character things. For WHAT reason do we need to catch Terapagos in front of him just like we did with Ogerpon? We acknowledge that he was upset by us taking Ogerpon, and yet we repeated history, regardless of whether he gave us permission.
I mean, when you get Carmine down to her last Pokemon she says "I'll wipe that smirk off your face!"
Smirk! We're taking pleasure in subjugating those around us. And since Kieran wants to be like us... he's also going to mimic that power-hungry, sly demeanour we have. Which is exactly what happens.
Forget Carmine, we're the one who had a major impact on him.
@@Oceane1803Idk, he had people who liked him, but he never reached out to them because he was scared of them not liking him or Carmine scared them off. She did say she was a TAD bit protective of him, so she might have shoved off people like idk... Drayton who she most likely didn't see fit of being his friends.
What I got from Kieran's interactions with us in Kitakami before the lie, he seemed to want friends but didn't know how to get them. That is why Carmine pairs him up with us with the hope of having Kieran step out of his comfort zone to make friends back at school:
Like Crispin seems cool with him, Drayton enjoyed the fact that Kieran didn't care that his Pokemon were weaker than everyone else's. He was just vibing, and Amarys liked the timid but thoughtful boy he used to be.
It wasn't till he returned from Kitakami with the idea of "might make a right" that jaded his perspective of poke battling. That Crispin and Lacey didn't want to be around him, meanwhile Amarys and Drayton wanted to help him.
@@ArcknivesDon't blame the MC for this. They were legitimately swept into drama!
Like Kieran's insecurities of wanting to get strong to befriend Ogrepon were there before we got there, and Carmine's overprotectiveness of Kieran was also there prior.
It was just the perfect storm that a champion-ranked trainer would just so happen to win the lottery to kitakami.
Like we did NOTHING wrong.
I thought that Mela was the leader of the team star
I think we may get an update in the future allowing us to activate the time machine with the book from the crystal pool and then there may be a true villain.
GF needs to step up their games not bunker down and hope for the best to be like the good old days.
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Does anyone know any good Godzilla vids to watch
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The true villains of ScVi are the leaders of Team GameFreak and the Pokémon Company.
The only villains were the wild Pokémon. They were basically the only ones standing in the way of progress. That and the Pokemon company rushing out this game which was a fatal error
Surprised that Carmine isn't dragged over the coals as much as she deserves, she knew her brother was a somewhat obsessed fan of Ogrepon and she tells us to lie to him and not bring him in to the fold to help until basically the end, so she ALSO basically steals (or tries to, you can't win me over that easily, bitch) his first genuine friend who approached him from a place equal ground and doesn't treat him like he's something weak, Fragile and needs to be handled with care. when he goes gung ho out the window after having his dream crushed right in front of him, I actually felt kind of bad, I know it was Ogrepon's choice because we were outsiders like she was and her first interaction with us was extremely positive.
IDK her passing off what is clearly a mental breakdown as "teen Angst" and not trying harder to help her brother because he Scared her is just kinda shitty. she's not a good elder sister and I wonder how much of Keirans shyness is because Carmine smothers him down so much.
Carmine is absolutely a bully and I felt like I was betraying Penny when the game tried to insist I had to be Carmine's friend
Okay, I’m getting sick and tired of this. I am trying my best to figure out which professor is which villain in Scarlet and Violet is the past Professor at Wilhelm in Scarlet where are the AzzyLand inviolate same goes for the future professor I’m just trying to figure things out
The real villain was the friends we made along the way
The TRUE Villains of Pokémon Scarlet and Violet are the friends that we made along the way
I think that Team star is kinda just worse Team Yell. They aren’t bad, but…
It’s just “Team Skull was popular, soooo…”
Team skull was so popular was because they weren’t villains, just kinda pricks. Team yell is the same, except they added “but we are kinda good guys”
Then team star took it too far.
Star isn't a bad guy team though. Also Skull kidnapped someone so they're pretty obviously villains.
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Scarlet/Violet have the best narrative BECAUSE there are no generic mustache twirling douchebags trying to blow up or take over the world because evil.
Geeta La Primera is the true villain
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I ultimately don’t find kieran to be a villain rather a person who is misunderstood due to us and her older sister was a massive jerk and stupidity obnoxious.
I also don’t mind if they choose someone else to be our villain instead of Kieran. Carmine fit that role perfectly consider on the what her personality is majorly selfish and disrespectful and somewhat hypocritical as we see her actions in the teal mask and a little bit after the indigo disk and the mochi mayhem dlc.
Doing the mochi mayhem dlc with him as a friend and partner is way better than carmine.
I also wish that we can do the lousy three hunt together to get ogerpon’s mask instead with carmine. Maybe then Kieran can get a better change to keep the oger pokémon for himself.
Game freak really make us the true villains with a female character that deserves the despise hate and that to me takes away the fun😒
The actual villain is gamefreak and Nintendo 😢
Honestly I’m kinda tired of newer villains as of late. We haven’t gotten a ACTUAL villain or a ACTUAL evil team since Gen 7. Chairman Rose was a horribly rushed villain with barely any motive and the “villains” of Scarlet and Violet aren’t really evil but mostly cloud by their desires. I mean the only MEMORABLE villain we got in the newer generations is Volo and he’s practically one of the best villains GameFreak ever made.
Maxie and Archie were clouded by their desires as well, one wanted more water for the pokemon and the other wanted more land for the humans, both with good intentions but in the end they realized they have gone too far because not only their plans were already dangerous because it can disturb the way of living of both people or pokemon in the first place, they also underestimated the power of both Groudon and Kyogre and it could have ended with either the world gets completely flooded/dried up or having the both of them fight each other and cause huge damages wherever they go
Wait... "we haven't gotten an ACTUAL villain since Gen 7" but then you say Volo is one of the best villains Game Freak has ever made even though he's gen 8.
Also I'd easily say that the professors were pretty evil. They had good in them but they were still willing to destroy the ecosystem of Paldea to get what they wanted, and screwed over their assistant by making them a mindless puppet of the security system (likely for speaking up to oppose the plan, considering that the AI didn't know about the PPP, meaning it would have been implanted in them after their creation/inheriting the professor's memories)
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And seriously, while friends are good and all, I hate when they’re depicted as everything.
That will only encourage people into thinking the only way to win, is murdering friends.
Huh?
@@BJGvideos “Friends are everything” only will make people so mad they want to kill them.
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True villain might be us tbh. Keiran was a perfectly fine lad just trying to be a good trainer, but we swoop in, show that we're better than him in every fathomable way, take his ogre, steal his story, and cause him to downward spiral into an obsessive trainer that snapped and battled until he became the champion at his school, and the first thing we do is show up to said school and dethrone him as champion.
True villain are Sada/Turo, Kieran, and Briar, not us.