If it were an Australian wicket that fell in the same fashion the Poms would be like ‘Sorry old chap but it’s in the rules!’ and the members at Lords would have applauded
A Pom here....was a keeper for 27 years, and I have run out a number of batsmen walking out of their crease in exactly the same way....the ball was not dead, no over was called, and the umpires were still in place! OUT!!! In any game...ANY TIME as per the rules of the game.
I have a view, and am sure there are others who support the view, this is from neutral stance, Cricket is/was a gentlemans game, but now its a competetive sport, with result expected & result oriented formats like 50 & T20. Since there were two competeting teams hence there were Umpires. Also since the teams felt that the decision was not going their way, hence we had Third/TV umpire & reviews. So this clearly shows that with evolution of the game, the Spirit is no longer there, it has left the body, so lets now bury it & just stick to the Laws & rules of the game, which were made to ensure fairness. if something is unfair, check the rules, simple as that. Spirit of the game is ambigous. The match before this, it was Jonny Bairstow who was trying to get an Australian Marnus Labuschagne out the same way, luckily the Marnus Labuschagne was in his crease. So, it in the spirit of the game when the English do it but fail, but when Alex Carrey does it, why is it wrong, its the same person, if he feels its fair when he does it , but unfair when someone else does it, shows the hypocrisy. There are many incidents of almost all teams, where batsman nicks the ball and keeper catches it, the Batsman definitely knows he nicked it, but does not walk, why does he not walk for the spirit of the game? Nothing wrong here, they wait for the umpire to give them out, so why does no one talk of the spirit of the game that time? Why does one wait till the umpire have to give them out? that is because these players are going by the Laws of cricket and not spirit of cricket. The onfield umpires are there to uphold the Laws & rules of cricket & not the Spirit of the game. So I think its fair that we all stand up for a moment to pay tribute to Spirit of the game & give it our fond goodbye. Let us play cricket within the laws & rules of the game which are fair to the letter and there is no ambiguity. There are other sports like Tennis, or badminton, or other games (except football) where there are just laws, there is no need for the spirit. Football has some "spirit" and that shows out in some ways where teams score a goal in way that is not "within the spirit" but fall within the rules. so lets agree to play either in Spirit or in Law of the game, dont try Hybrid, it does not work. if there are professionals involved, let it be played by the law of cricket, if its Tribute match etc, play it by the spirit of the game as its just a tribute match and here the spirit counts.
I'm a pom and this has been annoying me all week the fact is Bairstow didn't even look at what happened to the ball before he wondered up the pitch like a lemon. He gave the ozzies the opportunity by leaving his crease and its no good the MCC members complaining about unsportsmanship when all he had to do was just pay attention and do the job he's paid to do
I felt the same at first, but if you look closer, Bairstow is in his crease, then looks up, then the umpire looks away and has his hands on the bowlers hat when the stumping happens, square leg umpire also looks away. While they haven't said 'over' they have both demonstrated to the players that it is a deadball situation that they no longer need to pay attention to.
@@robjervis3898 Couldn’t possibly have been a dead ball situation, because Carey made an extra play immediately following gloving the ball. The big clue that you seem to have missed is that Jonny was subsequently given out, pretty strong indicator that the ball was still alive. The body language of the umpires is irrelevant, nor had over been called.
Englishman here. When I saw the incident live I thought that Bairstow should not have been given out. However, on reflection, I agree that it was a fair dismissal.
Love it! As an English person watching the cricket in Canada, I endorse this message. Shame all this nonsenses has distracted from 5 days wonderful batting, bowling and fielding by both teams. Now that is the spirit of the game.
The reactions from the England coach and some of the players, transcends any "spirit of the game" argument. They were inexplicably farking DUMB. How did they not recall having similar low acts in the vault, including the 1st farking innings? Jesus. Dumb dumb dumb. That, or cognitive dissonance levels thru the roof.
I am English, and we don't all agree with the nonsense around this. He was a dozy idiot and you made a very good point that was not mentioned as far as i can see in England, the ball could have gone anywhere, so he needed to be aware. It is almost a look of arrogance just walking away and not looking back, i am not sure what was going through his head, but he will not do that again in a hurry.
Totally agree, with the difference only being 40odd runs, that drop in concentration was critical and I’m afraid that error will haunt him forever poor bastard
Spirit of the Game exhibit A: Bairstow attempted the exact same thing by trying to catch Marnus Labuschagne stepping out of his crease two days earlier. Spirit of the Game exhibit B: England coach Brendon McCullum has three instances of identical dismissals. (Mpofu 2005, Muralitharan 2006, Collingwood 2009) Spirit of the Game exhibit C: Broad edging a ball to slip but refusing to walk, an edge the English quick has since admitted to. Spirit of the Game exhibit D: England keeper Ben Foakes stumping Irishman Andy Balbirnie after holding onto the ball for a far greater amount of time than what Carey did. Spirit of the Game exhibit E: The MCC long room behaved disgracefully. Not surprisingly three MCC members are now suspended. Spirit of the Game exhibit F: The crowd chanting that Australians are cheaters. Actually the only person convicted of cheating in this series is England's Moeen Ali. Spirit of the Game exhibit G: England bowling 'Bodyline' on day 4, for a record 98% short balls. Also extremely boring to watch - so much for "entertaining bazball". Spirit of the Game exhibit H: England/fans not respecting umpires decision. This was not a bad LBW call, a missed no ball (etc)... this was within the laws. Spirit of the Game exhibit I: Ollie Robinson telling Usman Khawaja to "F*** off" after dismissing him on 141. I won't add Duckett not walking re Starc's catch, because we respect that rules are rules. I also won't add England's controversial win over New Zealand in the World Cup final involving Stokes himself as there's been no shortage of comments about that.
Yip fair point. It all points to lot of potential hypocrisy. That's why best to never us the term Spirit of the Game, unless you're Kane Williamson. I hope the Ausies smash Mccullums lot 5 - 0. From New Zealand.
Exhibit A: MARNUS WAS OUT OF HIS CREASE WHEN BAIRSTOW GOT THE BALL Exhibit B-1: THE BATTER WANDERED HALF WAY DOWN THE PITCH WHILE THE BALL WAS IN THE FIELD AND STILL IN PLAY Exhibit B-2: EVEN THE FUCKING UMPIRE WAS TELLING MURALI TO GET BACK IN HIS CREASE AS THE BALL WAS IN THE FIELD AND STILL IN PLAY. Exhibit B-3: The closest example to match, but again, HE WANDERED OUT OF HIS CREASE AS HE WAS REGAINING BALANCE FROM LEAVING THE DELIVERY. He left the ball, off balance, and when he regained his balance he'd wandered out of his crease and never grounded anything in the crease again. This is as close as you get to the same, but it's still NOT THE SAME. Yeah, you can argue that was not in the spirit of the game too, but IT'S A DIFFERENT PLAYER IN 2 DIFFERENT TEAMS. Not relevant to the situation at hand. Both can be not in the spirit of the game at the same time you know, right??? Exhibit C: Not walking is has been done by every time FOREVER. Aussies do it all the time. Umpires are there to make calls, they get some wrong they get some right. Letting the umpire do their job is not against the spirit of the game, especially when MOST BATTERS DO NOT WALK. Exhibit D: From a position like that it's a BATTER'S RESPONSIBILITY TO STAND BACK UP IN SUCH A WAY AS TO NOT LEAVE THEIR CREASE. Again, NOT THE SAME. Bairstow had played/left the ball by ducking, regained his footing, STOOD STILL for a solid amount of time, even scratched at his guard mark before leaving his crease. At no point was Bairstow out of his crease BEFORE the ball was sent towards the stumps. That is NOT the case on ANY example you've given. And then every other example is just whining like a little bitch. Australians have done the same thing over and over and trying to make it look like it's England that are the ones doing the wrong thing is just pathetic. But even still, MORE THAN 1 THING CAN BE CONTRARY TO THE SPIRIT OF THE GAME. At NO point do you make ANY argument to the effect that this Carey incident was not in the spirit of the game.
One more to add. Bodyline series 1932. The original blight on the spirit...also within the rules. Great to see support for Aussies from all around the world. Must be tired of English hypocrisy and whinging.
Hello Dave, Judge of common sense here: A: Marnus was outside of his crease before and after the ball was bowled, in an attempt to gain an advantage. So that's totally valid. Bairstow was inside his crease from start to finish (umpires decided the over finished when they both looked away, while he was still in his crease). B: McCullum wasn't even on the field, irrelevant. C: Valid, but let's not pretend Aussies have never tried it...or you know, ball tampering perhaps? D: The umpires were actually looking, therefore it's not necessarily a dead ball E: They behaved justly, you can't go soft on cheats and criminals F: Completely false, Warner and Smith faced bans for cheating. Ali wasn't even playing in this game. G: Not relevant here at all. H: You want to smear England fans for booing? Aussies do it too and worse, try asking Archer (convenient of you to forget that). I: Can't condone it, but let's not act as if the Australian team are saints. Warner punching Root for example? J: 3rd umpire deemed it dropped. No argument can be made. K: Again, can't compare with this, irrelevant.
England fan here. I'd say on balance it was a fair dismissal and I doubt if that same moment was reversed England would have really withdrawn the appeal... As an aside, the scenes in the pavillion were embarrassing on multiple levels. Apologies on behalf of the sore losers who'd maybe had a few too many flat ales.
Long-time cricket fan and writer/editor here. The "spirit of cricket" has always been a noble lie. Think about it: when did it actually enter the game? It wasn't there at its inception when Spofforth was punching Poms on the proboscis and Grace was steadfastly staying at the wicket even after being given out. In the 1930s this elusive "spirit" of unknown provenance was being invoked by the Aussie press as Larwood tactically tore the Aussies apart at Jardine's request. For a while, bowling bumpers at tail-enders was frowned upon because it violated the fabulous spirit of the game, but this "unspoken law" was soon dispensed with if that tail-ender was presumptuous enough to flout that "spirit" and score a run too many. Once, Lindwall knocked a man out with a bouncer because he insultingly took block outside of his crease. Trueman was hardly a paragon of puritanical rectitude and was proud of it. "Mad" Jack Flavell didn't protest his sobriquet. He wanted to destroy every man be bowled at. Let's test the spirit. What exactly has been the greatest threat to it - just so we know its location? What was the boundary situation? Was it the abovementioned Bodyline series? What Jardine did was within the rules. It was mainly the Aussie press who demonised and denounced him and Larwood, using the "spirit of the game" as their high horse.
Was it Vinoo Mankad in 1947-48, who noticed non-striker Bill Brown backing up too far? Instead of releasing the ball, he stopped and broke the wicket. He’d sufficiently warned Bill, having already dismissed him likewise in a tour game, yet the huffing press almost labelled it impertinence, ensuring his name entered cricket’s lexicon as a byword for dishonesty. But do you know why Mankad was so "impertinent"? Because he was sick of his own countrymen deferring to the Aussies and the English. Those who dusted off the "spirit of cricket" back then actually had their pens at the ready to criticise ANY bowling from those funny little Subcontinental people that amounted to more than a mere tribute offering. Was India's decades-old doctoring of pitches a violation of this "spirit"? What about the West Indies' real and implied threats of on-field, and sometimes off-field, violence to batsmen all over the Commonwealth when they were at their zenith? It seems that this "spirit" includes acceptable cheating. Adam Gilchrist was actually criticised by many of these same upholders of cricket's "spirit" when he decided he WOULD walk, despite being the only man on the field to know he'd nicked it. A batsman was actually somehow acting within the bounds of this amorphous thing called cricket's spirit when he never admitted he was out. It's rather indefinable really, isn't it, old chaps, this "spirit"? Honestly, Piers and Geoffrey and the Lord's members look and sound like dribbling, drivelling privileged Pommy prats when they long for a fantasy bygone era and talk about tarnishing a game that was never exempt from human nature, and ceased being some kind of pastoral idyll the moment men like Spofforth and Grace entered the scene, bringing spectators with them. reply
As an Aussie I can honestly say I'm ashamed of the Aussie cricket team for resorting to such a pathetic way to get someone out and I'll be supporting England for the remainder of the series.
Your English it’s what you do best ..especially with comments like it’s the worst thing I ever seen on the cricket field ..really not the underarm or sandpaper lol
Precisely. Something can be within the rules, and yet against the spirit of the game. The rules aren't there to cover every single minute possibility that can happen. There are unwritten standards play is intended to be held to. If every little detail was added to the rules, the book would be miles long and no one would read the whole thing ever.
Best assessment? First of all underarm was not cheating and secondly broad didn't edge to slip the keepers gloves deflected it to slip, doesn't seem that great of an assessment.
Baz ran out at least two tailenders who were leaving their crease to celebrate their teammates 100, once against Zimbabwe and again against Sri Lanka. And where was the spirit of the game when Mitchell Starc's catch was denied? Or bowling at Nathan Lyon's body when he couldn't even stand on two legs?
3:24 classic David Lloyd commentary, he also said "Speechless, The Audacity Of Him Just Walked Up The Pitch Another Word With His Non Striking Batter",after that match Bob Willis called Broad a cheat just like his father Chris Broad, that's why it's so satisfying to watch Yuvraj Singh hit him six sixes in an over in 2007 t20 world cup still now
As a brit/Pom i have no issues with bairstows dismissal, i think it was cheeky but smart play and do not understand what all the fuss is about.I would suggest that if Stokes was out soon after then there would have been no issue.What about Starcs brilliant catch the day before ,heard no Aussies whinging about that decision as i have seen slip fielders hold it for less time before throwing it in the air.
Us Poms aren't all the same, I thought it was a great bit of cricket by carey, bairstow had it coming and as a wicket keeper should have known better. Good on the aussies.
When did Test Cricket become tiddlywinks? This is the highest level of cricket. Carey threw the ball immediately… like Bairstow himself has attempted multiple times. As to “sprit”, the English team blocked an NZ batsman from reaching the crease and then appealed (bad sportsmanship no 1), and the batsman was given out. Did the English ask for that to be reversed? No. The umpire even asked the English captain if he wanted to reverse the decision!! He answered no (bad sportsmanship no 3) This 3 bad sportsmanship displayed by the English in the same incident!! The real trigger of anger for English here in the latest test is that they lost the match.
Stokes should be sacked, he let Bairstow get run out, he just watched it all unfold and didn't warn his player. With a captain like that who needs enemies.
I told all the cricketers I coached over the years that its the fielding sides job to bring the umpires into the game to make a decision and its the batting sides job to keep tbe umpires out of the game (ie not to be called on to make a decision) the only person responsible for the final decision is the umpire, the umpires will make that decision BASED ON THE LAWS OF THE GAME. If the batter has done something that brings the umpire into the game then the BATTER HAS FAILED AT THEIR JOB.
@@mjshortstay609 Irrelevant that the ball deflected from the wicketkeeper's glove to first slip. The Cheat HIT it and knew he hit it, as did everyone else. No outrage there from the desperate Poms though. What a surprise! That absolute lowlife will be forever damned for that stellar act of treachery to "the spirit of the game". Furthermore, the fact that he dares to lecture anyone on morality in the sport is laughable, however the fact that some misguided morons actually pay heed to his diatribe is not.
Stokes in the WC final: -Runs his bat in, ball hits his bat and deflects for 4. If he is SUCH a believer in the spirit of the game, why did he not offer a free dot ball. NZ under arm it in away from the stumps. He didn't. Shocker.
As a whinging Pom, I have to say that you are absolutely correct. If the situation was reversed there would be no talk about the spirit of the game and people would be falling over themselves praising Bairstow's quick thinking. I dare say that the Aussies would have just taken it as part of the game.
If that ball went to the boundary would it have been considered a dead ball since bairstow thought it was dead. Would england have retracted their runs? Before anyone says they might have, they should have done that in the 2019 WC when ball hit stokes bat and went to a boundary.
Don't worry everybody, the subject in the news will change very soon, as the Pom's will find yet another thing to whinge about very soon, so no panic...
You're spot on mate. Johhny is a classic example of the low IQ of English Cricket. What about when he mucked around carrying someone off the field. Theres no one home with this guy. Aussie 5-0 for me. From New Zealand.
@pat1589 I still feel sad for the Kiwis because of what happened to them at 2019 odi world cup final, if that one run umpires didn't gave to cheater Stokes then Kiwis would've won the world cup which they rightfully deserved, and now that thief Stokes lecturing about so called spirit of cricket. where was spirit of cricket when the ball touched your bat and you stole one extra run? if you were really that honest then why didn't you tell the umpires to gave that one run to New Zealand? hypocrisy at it's finest
@@SCSA3.16well that is one of the most uneducated comments on here. Ben Stokes did not cheat, it accidentally hit his bat and went for four, the umpires awared those runs, he does not get a say in how many runs were awarded and he probably didn't even know that was a rule coz he even the umpires didn't.
Oh dear... sooky sook sook poms (England) complaining about an excellent piece of fielding and their dumb lazy batsman who never checked the wicket keeper or umpire before leaving his crease, thus stumped and out. For the whingers: It was 100% in the rules, fair dismissal. Bairstow should have stayed in his crease until clear. The ball was still in play, Alex Carey took the ball and threw in one motion, just very situationally aware. Bairstow made no signal (tapping his foot AFTER the throw, check the replay) and did not look to the keeper or ump!!
The underarm was not cheating It was in the rules There were a number of bowlers playing grade cricket over the years that bowled under arm not least Bruce Yardleys father I find “against the spirit of the game” usually means “those bastards thought of it before us”
in an earlier match Bairstow tried to get Marnus Labuschagne out the same way, but Marnus Labuschagne was in the crease.. So they thought of it too, but did not work. Also the way Carrey reacted, and how he moved, he has seen Bairstow go for a walk a few times, and this time he acted, you see that he throws the ball immediately after collecting, in one action, there is no pause.
Watching this and loving it. I for one am sick and tired of the f*****g English whining on and on and on about how they are the only ones who play the game properly. This bullshit 'Spirit of Cricket' stuff only seems to apply when something that you don't like happens to you. I was fortunate enough to play hockey and cricket in the UK with Australians and what I took from them was that you play fair and you play hard and never ever give up.
Well said Ben. Yeah the news over here in London has been annoying. This is first class cricket played at an international level, not an U12 cricket game played somewhere in Manning(Perth) or Buckinghamshire(England). One should be mindful in the game of play especially at a test cricket level. I would expect any team to be competitive, respectable to opposition team and play by the rules of the game to the letter as what Australia did. That's the spirit of the game? I love to throw in a brexit fuckery analogy into this, but I better be sporting about this. But yeah come on Australia! 5-0!
@heretichello8253 mate, if you haven’t got it in you to face body line bowling, then you better get the f out of the ground. If it was within the law, it was ok. Aussies could not counter it because they lacked the firepower of the Poms and that is the sad truth. Whining Aussies and all indignant when it suits them. Sledging the pastime if Oz, is very sporting and carries the spirit of cricket right??
I completely agree that Bairstow was out, also Starc's catch wasn't a clean one(he was sliding when the ball touched the turf ). The rules are rules and everyone should respect it .All players must be aware of the rules all the time on the field. The people are talking about the spirit of the game is completely nonsense.
Ball was not dead. Ball was still in the play. Umpire didn't call the over. Bairstow was just premature, he can't call it a over. Umpire calls it a over. Spirit of the game is in following the laws.
I just cannot stand the attack on the world champions for a dismissal that was out... The abuse on the Australians for being cheats when prior English sides have also been caught cheating is disgusting. But that's typical English Hypocrites...
The difference is that when Bairstow tried to run out Labuschagne it was because he was out of his crease. Bairstow was in his crease when Carey sent a slow under arm at the stumps in the hopes Bairstow would think the ball was dead and wander out. Bairstow was not of his crease for advantage like someone batti g out of their crease.
It is sad that after two closely fought tests thus far that all we can talk about is one incident. Most shameful was the completely out of order and hostile behaviour of some Lords members towards the Aussie team after the match. It seems that all teams have at some stage tried to bend the rules of the game! Thanks for the insight Ben.
Just stumbled across this show - great timing by me to hear Harvey put the pommie hypocrisy in perspectine. When I first saw Bairstows brain dead attitude to the games rules I started laughing and laughing as he was most obviously OUT! Anyway I like your style in camera, but how do u get away with the F word while working for The West? I subscribed so am waiting for the next installment. Cheers all.
As a Brit it wasn’t cheating, but then neither was bowling underarm. It isn’t in the spirit of the beautiful game. It is a pity that a great game of cricket between 2 evenly matched sides won’t be remembered, but this incident will.
The underarm wasn't in the spirit of the game, but any under 12s player knows to check the keeper before leaving the crease. What's not in the spirit of the game is the embarrassing carry on from the England players, coach and supporters. Claiming this isnt in the spirit of the game is as dishonest as it is laughable.
No one can deny that the spirt of the game was lost once the big money started to roll in and the term "Its simply not cricket" whenever any action is conducted without decorum, no longer has any meaning.
Let’s apply some logic here. If Bairstow was in the process of walking out of his crease thinking the over was completed but was still just in his crease when the ball hit the wicket and then the ball ran towards the boundary. Would bairstow and stokes have ran three runs for overthrows or would bairstow have put his hand up and not run because he believed the ball to be dead.
Short memories... England in 2005. The bowlers used mints, affecting the condition of the ball, to get reverse swing. "Marcus Trescothick has admitted shining the ball with help from mints during England's 2-1 Ashes victory in 2005" He was in effect boasting about it after the series had ended. I find this constant calling of Australians as cheats disingenuous, even before the last test.
Bairstow tried it on day 3 this match he also did it in NZ last year and Mcpussy did it against England in a ODI to get Collingwood out the problem is they haven't lost in a year and they expected win this to but they fought to tell the world champs.
I am English and I accept that Bairstow was careless and lackadaisical. I think it reflects more on England’s sloppiness in this series. No, it was legitimate what Carey did and we shouldn’t say it’s against the spirit of the game. What is against the spirit of the game is ball tampering and grown men weeping crocodile tears not because they cheated but for being caught. Oops sorry.
Australian Board officially expressed their displeasure to MCC about Bodyline Bowling in 1932-33 Ashes as it was not in the spirit of the game. But it was very much within the laws of the game. After that Ashes defeat, they pressurised MCC to change the rules regarding that and they also threatened to cancel the next tour to england in 1934 if they were not ensured to be targeted by bouncers. It was all done by the Aussies to prevent English Side to win the Ashes repeatedly after 1932-33. It was done in the name of 'spirit of the game'. The Presenter rightly took the examples of Sidebottom and Broad because Alex Cary or Pat Cummins should be placed on the equal footing with them.
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If it were an Australian wicket that fell in the same fashion the Poms would be like ‘Sorry old chap but it’s in the rules!’ and the members at Lords would have applauded
They would have said 'Good show boys. Stick it to the silly convicts, they don't even know the rules.'
Bullshit
I doubt that. There would have been an almighty stink and heads would roll.
@smintolnah they would have abusing their own players, no one does that like the Aussies
EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A Pom here....was a keeper for 27 years, and I have run out a number of batsmen walking out of their crease in exactly the same way....the ball was not dead, no over was called, and the umpires were still in place! OUT!!! In any game...ANY TIME as per the rules of the game.
Obviously the game is a lot healthier since you hung up the gloves then.
I have a view, and am sure there are others who support the view, this is from neutral stance,
Cricket is/was a gentlemans game, but now its a competetive sport, with result expected & result oriented formats like 50 & T20. Since there were two competeting teams hence there were Umpires. Also since the teams felt that the decision was not going their way, hence we had Third/TV umpire & reviews. So this clearly shows that with evolution of the game, the Spirit is no longer there, it has left the body, so lets now bury it & just stick to the Laws & rules of the game, which were made to ensure fairness. if something is unfair, check the rules, simple as that. Spirit of the game is ambigous. The match before this, it was Jonny Bairstow who was trying to get an Australian Marnus Labuschagne out the same way, luckily the Marnus Labuschagne was in his crease. So, it in the spirit of the game when the English do it but fail, but when Alex Carrey does it, why is it wrong, its the same person, if he feels its fair when he does it , but unfair when someone else does it, shows the hypocrisy.
There are many incidents of almost all teams, where batsman nicks the ball and keeper catches it, the Batsman definitely knows he nicked it, but does not walk, why does he not walk for the spirit of the game? Nothing wrong here, they wait for the umpire to give them out, so why does no one talk of the spirit of the game that time? Why does one wait till the umpire have to give them out? that is because these players are going by the Laws of cricket and not spirit of cricket.
The onfield umpires are there to uphold the Laws & rules of cricket & not the Spirit of the game. So I think its fair that we all stand up for a moment to pay tribute to Spirit of the game & give it our fond goodbye. Let us play cricket within the laws & rules of the game which are fair to the letter and there is no ambiguity. There are other sports like Tennis, or badminton, or other games (except football) where there are just laws, there is no need for the spirit. Football has some "spirit" and that shows out in some ways where teams score a goal in way that is not "within the spirit" but fall within the rules. so lets agree to play either in Spirit or in Law of the game, dont try Hybrid, it does not work. if there are professionals involved, let it be played by the law of cricket, if its Tribute match etc, play it by the spirit of the game as its just a tribute match and here the spirit counts.
Well said mate
I'm a pom and this has been annoying me all week the fact is Bairstow didn't even look at what happened to the ball before he wondered up the pitch like a lemon. He gave the ozzies the opportunity by leaving his crease and its no good the MCC members complaining about unsportsmanship when all he had to do was just pay attention and do the job he's paid to do
I felt the same at first, but if you look closer, Bairstow is in his crease, then looks up, then the umpire looks away and has his hands on the bowlers hat when the stumping happens, square leg umpire also looks away. While they haven't said 'over' they have both demonstrated to the players that it is a deadball situation that they no longer need to pay attention to.
It's arrogance. They think they own the game
in earlier match Bairstow tried to get Marnus Labuschagne out the same way, but Marnus Labuschagne was in the crease..
@@robjervis3898 Couldn’t possibly have been a dead ball situation, because Carey made an extra play immediately following gloving the ball. The big clue that you seem to have missed is that Jonny was subsequently given out, pretty strong indicator that the ball was still alive. The body language of the umpires is irrelevant, nor had over been called.
Aussies knew the game was going away from them and as usual they revert to dirty tactics.
Fish got to swim, birds got to fly, and Poms got to whinge.
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Englishman here. When I saw the incident live I thought that Bairstow should not have been given out. However, on reflection, I agree that it was a fair dismissal.
Under the rules of cricket it’s out end of story ..but was morally right that is the question
Love it! As an English person watching the cricket in Canada, I endorse this message. Shame all this nonsenses has distracted from 5 days wonderful batting, bowling and fielding by both teams. Now that is the spirit of the game.
The reactions from the England coach and some of the players, transcends any "spirit of the game" argument. They were inexplicably farking DUMB. How did they not recall having similar low acts in the vault, including the 1st farking innings? Jesus.
Dumb dumb dumb. That, or cognitive dissonance levels thru the roof.
I am English, and we don't all agree with the nonsense around this. He was a dozy idiot and you made a very good point that was not mentioned as far as i can see in England, the ball could have gone anywhere, so he needed to be aware. It is almost a look of arrogance just walking away and not looking back, i am not sure what was going through his head, but he will not do that again in a hurry.
Totally agree, with the difference only being 40odd runs, that drop in concentration was critical and I’m afraid that error will haunt him forever poor bastard
Spirit of the Game exhibit A: Bairstow attempted the exact same thing by trying to catch Marnus Labuschagne stepping out of his crease two days earlier.
Spirit of the Game exhibit B: England coach Brendon McCullum has three instances of identical dismissals. (Mpofu 2005, Muralitharan 2006, Collingwood 2009)
Spirit of the Game exhibit C: Broad edging a ball to slip but refusing to walk, an edge the English quick has since admitted to.
Spirit of the Game exhibit D: England keeper Ben Foakes stumping Irishman Andy Balbirnie after holding onto the ball for a far greater amount of time than what Carey did.
Spirit of the Game exhibit E: The MCC long room behaved disgracefully. Not surprisingly three MCC members are now suspended.
Spirit of the Game exhibit F: The crowd chanting that Australians are cheaters. Actually the only person convicted of cheating in this series is England's Moeen Ali.
Spirit of the Game exhibit G: England bowling 'Bodyline' on day 4, for a record 98% short balls. Also extremely boring to watch - so much for "entertaining bazball".
Spirit of the Game exhibit H: England/fans not respecting umpires decision. This was not a bad LBW call, a missed no ball (etc)... this was within the laws.
Spirit of the Game exhibit I: Ollie Robinson telling Usman Khawaja to "F*** off" after dismissing him on 141.
I won't add Duckett not walking re Starc's catch, because we respect that rules are rules.
I also won't add England's controversial win over New Zealand in the World Cup final involving Stokes himself as there's been no shortage of comments about that.
You can add Bairstows stumping of Patel in a County match, its similar to Foakes stumping of Balbirnie.
Yip fair point. It all points to lot of potential hypocrisy. That's why best to never us the term Spirit of the Game, unless you're Kane Williamson. I hope the Ausies smash Mccullums lot 5 - 0. From New Zealand.
Exhibit A: MARNUS WAS OUT OF HIS CREASE WHEN BAIRSTOW GOT THE BALL
Exhibit B-1: THE BATTER WANDERED HALF WAY DOWN THE PITCH WHILE THE BALL WAS IN THE FIELD AND STILL IN PLAY
Exhibit B-2: EVEN THE FUCKING UMPIRE WAS TELLING MURALI TO GET BACK IN HIS CREASE AS THE BALL WAS IN THE FIELD AND STILL IN PLAY.
Exhibit B-3: The closest example to match, but again, HE WANDERED OUT OF HIS CREASE AS HE WAS REGAINING BALANCE FROM LEAVING THE DELIVERY. He left the ball, off balance, and when he regained his balance he'd wandered out of his crease and never grounded anything in the crease again. This is as close as you get to the same, but it's still NOT THE SAME. Yeah, you can argue that was not in the spirit of the game too, but IT'S A DIFFERENT PLAYER IN 2 DIFFERENT TEAMS. Not relevant to the situation at hand. Both can be not in the spirit of the game at the same time you know, right???
Exhibit C: Not walking is has been done by every time FOREVER. Aussies do it all the time. Umpires are there to make calls, they get some wrong they get some right. Letting the umpire do their job is not against the spirit of the game, especially when MOST BATTERS DO NOT WALK.
Exhibit D: From a position like that it's a BATTER'S RESPONSIBILITY TO STAND BACK UP IN SUCH A WAY AS TO NOT LEAVE THEIR CREASE. Again, NOT THE SAME. Bairstow had played/left the ball by ducking, regained his footing, STOOD STILL for a solid amount of time, even scratched at his guard mark before leaving his crease. At no point was Bairstow out of his crease BEFORE the ball was sent towards the stumps. That is NOT the case on ANY example you've given.
And then every other example is just whining like a little bitch. Australians have done the same thing over and over and trying to make it look like it's England that are the ones doing the wrong thing is just pathetic. But even still, MORE THAN 1 THING CAN BE CONTRARY TO THE SPIRIT OF THE GAME. At NO point do you make ANY argument to the effect that this Carey incident was not in the spirit of the game.
One more to add. Bodyline series 1932. The original blight on the spirit...also within the rules. Great to see support for Aussies from all around the world. Must be tired of English hypocrisy and whinging.
Hello Dave, Judge of common sense here:
A: Marnus was outside of his crease before and after the ball was bowled, in an attempt to gain an advantage. So that's totally valid. Bairstow was inside his crease from start to finish (umpires decided the over finished when they both looked away, while he was still in his crease).
B: McCullum wasn't even on the field, irrelevant.
C: Valid, but let's not pretend Aussies have never tried it...or you know, ball tampering perhaps?
D: The umpires were actually looking, therefore it's not necessarily a dead ball
E: They behaved justly, you can't go soft on cheats and criminals
F: Completely false, Warner and Smith faced bans for cheating. Ali wasn't even playing in this game.
G: Not relevant here at all.
H: You want to smear England fans for booing? Aussies do it too and worse, try asking Archer (convenient of you to forget that).
I: Can't condone it, but let's not act as if the Australian team are saints. Warner punching Root for example?
J: 3rd umpire deemed it dropped. No argument can be made.
K: Again, can't compare with this, irrelevant.
Just the look on Bairstow's face gave it away that he thought "oh shit i done messed up."
England fan here. I'd say on balance it was a fair dismissal and I doubt if that same moment was reversed England would have really withdrawn the appeal... As an aside, the scenes in the pavillion were embarrassing on multiple levels. Apologies on behalf of the sore losers who'd maybe had a few too many flat ales.
Well said, I think most of us Aussies know it's a small minority of England supporters that are carrying on, in general it's a great rivalry.
@@Tezwah You sir are an awesome fair cricket supporter!!!....Maxxi...Perth...Western Australia.
Long-time cricket fan and writer/editor here. The "spirit of cricket" has always been a noble lie. Think about it: when did it actually enter the game? It wasn't there at its inception when Spofforth was punching Poms on the proboscis and Grace was steadfastly staying at the wicket even after being given out. In the 1930s this elusive "spirit" of unknown provenance was being invoked by the Aussie press as Larwood tactically tore the Aussies apart at Jardine's request.
For a while, bowling bumpers at tail-enders was frowned upon because it violated the fabulous spirit of the game, but this "unspoken law" was soon dispensed with if that tail-ender was presumptuous enough to flout that "spirit" and score a run too many. Once, Lindwall knocked a man out with a bouncer because he insultingly took block outside of his crease. Trueman was hardly a paragon of puritanical rectitude and was proud of it. "Mad" Jack Flavell didn't protest his sobriquet. He wanted to destroy every man be bowled at.
Let's test the spirit. What exactly has been the greatest threat to it - just so we know its location? What was the boundary situation? Was it the abovementioned Bodyline series? What Jardine did was within the rules. It was mainly the Aussie press who demonised and denounced him and Larwood, using the "spirit of the game" as their high horse.
Was it Vinoo Mankad in 1947-48, who noticed non-striker Bill Brown backing up too far? Instead of releasing the ball, he stopped and broke the wicket. He’d sufficiently warned Bill, having already dismissed him likewise in a tour game, yet the huffing press almost labelled it impertinence, ensuring his name entered cricket’s lexicon as a byword for dishonesty. But do you know why Mankad was so "impertinent"? Because he was sick of his own countrymen deferring to the Aussies and the English. Those who dusted off the "spirit of cricket" back then actually had their pens at the ready to criticise ANY bowling from those funny little Subcontinental people that amounted to more than a mere tribute offering.
Was India's decades-old doctoring of pitches a violation of this "spirit"? What about the West Indies' real and implied threats of on-field, and sometimes off-field, violence to batsmen all over the Commonwealth when they were at their zenith?
It seems that this "spirit" includes acceptable cheating. Adam Gilchrist was actually criticised by many of these same upholders of cricket's "spirit" when he decided he WOULD walk, despite being the only man on the field to know he'd nicked it. A batsman was actually somehow acting within the bounds of this amorphous thing called cricket's spirit when he never admitted he was out.
It's rather indefinable really, isn't it, old chaps, this "spirit"?
Honestly, Piers and Geoffrey and the Lord's members look and sound like dribbling, drivelling privileged Pommy prats when they long for a fantasy bygone era and talk about tarnishing a game that was never exempt from human nature, and ceased being some kind of pastoral idyll the moment men like Spofforth and Grace entered the scene, bringing spectators with them.
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As a Brit I can honestly say we need to get over this… we are looking ridiculous.
As an Aussie I can honestly say I'm ashamed of the Aussie cricket team for resorting to such a pathetic way to get someone out and I'll be supporting England for the remainder of the series.
Your English it’s what you do best ..especially with comments like it’s the worst thing I ever seen on the cricket field ..really not the underarm or sandpaper lol
Brit ?
The name of the country that has been cheated is England.
@@johnnysoccer1983I'll set up a gofundme to buy you a ticket to the rest of the series. One way of course.
Hypocrisy of England at its finest
To be fair the underarm bowl wasn't cheating. It was very, very poor sportsmanship but it was still within the rules of the game at the time.
Precisely. Something can be within the rules, and yet against the spirit of the game. The rules aren't there to cover every single minute possibility that can happen. There are unwritten standards play is intended to be held to. If every little detail was added to the rules, the book would be miles long and no one would read the whole thing ever.
To be fair, your comment is horse manure. It was a low act and only a Dog would have instigated it.
I know and if we never did it someone else would of
No that was a asshole move but legal
Correct
Brilliant! Need more from this Ben Harvey bloke. This was the best assessment I've seen so far.
Best assessment? First of all underarm was not cheating and secondly broad didn't edge to slip the keepers gloves deflected it to slip, doesn't seem that great of an assessment.
Baz ran out at least two tailenders who were leaving their crease to celebrate their teammates 100, once against Zimbabwe and again against Sri Lanka. And where was the spirit of the game when Mitchell Starc's catch was denied? Or bowling at Nathan Lyon's body when he couldn't even stand on two legs?
You are 100 % spot on Mr Harvey! If the roles had been reversed Bairstow would have been hailed, if not knighted, as England's saviour !
Oh shutup ur all boring now let’s hope we absolutely smash you cheats. Pls tell smith to leave the sandpaper at home #cheat
3:24 classic David Lloyd commentary, he also said "Speechless, The Audacity Of Him Just Walked Up The Pitch Another Word With His Non Striking Batter",after that match Bob Willis called Broad a cheat just like his father Chris Broad, that's why it's so satisfying to watch Yuvraj Singh hit him six sixes in an over in 2007 t20 world cup still now
Finally someone said it bluntly without mincing words. They had no problem winning a world cup within the rules regardless of the spirit shit
They never won the cricket World Cup they drew it lol
Common Aussies we support 🇮🇳
Sledging and send paper is Australian hypocrisy.
From India, love every second of this. The Poms are full of themselves. "Spirit" of the game. My foot.
As a brit/Pom i have no issues with bairstows dismissal, i think it was cheeky but smart play and do not understand what all the fuss is about.I would suggest that if Stokes was out soon after then there would have been no issue.What about Starcs brilliant catch the day before ,heard no Aussies whinging about that decision as i have seen slip fielders hold it for less time before throwing it in the air.
Us Poms aren't all the same, I thought it was a great bit of cricket by carey, bairstow had it coming and as a wicket keeper should have known better. Good on the aussies.
Best and most entertaining analysis I have seen! Coming from an Englishman! Hope the English team watch this and see sense!!!
When did Test Cricket become tiddlywinks? This is the highest level of cricket. Carey threw the ball immediately… like Bairstow himself has attempted multiple times. As to “sprit”, the English team blocked an NZ batsman from reaching the crease and then appealed (bad sportsmanship no 1), and the batsman was given out. Did the English ask for that to be reversed? No. The umpire even asked the English captain if he wanted to reverse the decision!! He answered no (bad sportsmanship no 3) This 3 bad sportsmanship displayed by the English in the same incident!! The real trigger of anger for English here in the latest test is that they lost the match.
Stokes should be sacked, he let Bairstow get run out, he just watched it all unfold and didn't warn his player. With a captain like that who needs enemies.
I love this format of reporting. Very entertaining.
All very good points.
My point exactly. He never looked back and should have. Double standards, especially, when Starc’s catch was disallowed.
Well no starch catch was not catch under the rules of cricket end of story ..you need to read the rules
I told all the cricketers I coached over the years that its the fielding sides job to bring the umpires into the game to make a decision and its the batting sides job to keep tbe umpires out of the game (ie not to be called on to make a decision) the only person responsible for the final decision is the umpire, the umpires will make that decision BASED ON THE LAWS OF THE GAME. If the batter has done something that brings the umpire into the game then the BATTER HAS FAILED AT THEIR JOB.
Not really, under arm wasn't cheating and Broad didn't edge to 1st slip, it deflected off the keepers gloves
@@mjshortstay609 Irrelevant that the ball deflected from the wicketkeeper's glove to first slip. The Cheat HIT it and knew he hit it, as did everyone else. No outrage there from the desperate Poms though. What a surprise! That absolute lowlife will be forever damned for that stellar act of treachery to "the spirit of the game". Furthermore, the fact that he dares to lecture anyone on morality in the sport is laughable, however the fact that some misguided morons actually pay heed to his diatribe is not.
Welcome back Ben, missed your no holds barred and piss funny commentary about anyone and everyone who deserves it!
I'm a 'Pom', but I thought he was 'out'. Even as a youngster, you always look to the keeper if you've missed or left the ball.
Stokes in the WC final:
-Runs his bat in, ball hits his bat and deflects for 4. If he is SUCH a believer in the spirit of the game, why did he not offer a free dot ball. NZ under arm it in away from the stumps. He didn't. Shocker.
Epic reply to english fans and players 😂💯
Same old Aussie- never back down for a fight❤
Brendan McCullum, actually did this as well, against Paul Collingwood, in a NZ vs Eng test.
Yes but our lovely captain then withdraw the appeal big difference lol
It was an odi
As a whinging Pom, I have to say that you are absolutely correct. If the situation was reversed there would be no talk about the spirit of the game and people would be falling over themselves praising Bairstow's quick thinking. I dare say that the Aussies would have just taken it as part of the game.
Think again no way Australia would let this go if this happen to them .. they would attack English In the same way
If that ball went to the boundary would it have been considered a dead ball since bairstow thought it was dead. Would england have retracted their runs? Before anyone says they might have, they should have done that in the 2019 WC when ball hit stokes bat and went to a boundary.
Clearly don't much about cricket if you think a player has the power to retract runs.
@@mjshortstay609nd clearly you can't fucken read because he said " would England have retracted their runs"..not the player.
Don't worry everybody, the subject in the news will change very soon, as the Pom's will find yet another thing to whinge about very soon, so no panic...
You're spot on mate. Johhny is a classic example of the low IQ of English Cricket. What about when he mucked around carrying someone off the field. Theres no one home with this guy. Aussie 5-0 for me. From New Zealand.
@pat1589
I still feel sad for the Kiwis because of what happened to them at 2019 odi world cup final, if that one run umpires didn't gave to cheater Stokes then Kiwis would've won the world cup which they rightfully deserved, and now that thief Stokes lecturing about so called spirit of cricket. where was spirit of cricket when the ball touched your bat and you stole one extra run? if you were really that honest then why didn't you tell the umpires to gave that one run to New Zealand? hypocrisy at it's finest
@@SCSA3.16well that is one of the most uneducated comments on here. Ben Stokes did not cheat, it accidentally hit his bat and went for four, the umpires awared those runs, he does not get a say in how many runs were awarded and he probably didn't even know that was a rule coz he even the umpires didn't.
Don’t actually recall Bairstow saying anything at all…
Aussie trash media upping their ratings, nothing more.
Oh dear... sooky sook sook poms (England) complaining about an excellent piece of fielding and their dumb lazy batsman who never checked the wicket keeper or umpire before leaving his crease, thus stumped and out.
For the whingers: It was 100% in the rules, fair dismissal.
Bairstow should have stayed in his crease until clear.
The ball was still in play, Alex Carey took the ball and threw in one motion, just very situationally aware.
Bairstow made no signal (tapping his foot AFTER the throw, check the replay) and did not look to the keeper or ump!!
As a neutral, that is out. The keeper did a great job.
The underarm was not cheating
It was in the rules
There were a number of bowlers playing grade cricket over the years that bowled under arm not least Bruce Yardleys father
I find “against the spirit of the game” usually means “those bastards thought of it before us”
Or executed it correctly before us.
in an earlier match Bairstow tried to get Marnus Labuschagne out the same way, but Marnus Labuschagne was in the crease.. So they thought of it too, but did not work.
Also the way Carrey reacted, and how he moved, he has seen Bairstow go for a walk a few times, and this time he acted, you see that he throws the ball immediately after collecting, in one action, there is no pause.
Aussie shithousery
Watching this and loving it. I for one am sick and tired of the f*****g English whining on and on and on about how they are the only ones who play the game properly. This bullshit 'Spirit of Cricket' stuff only seems to apply when something that you don't like happens to you. I was fortunate enough to play hockey and cricket in the UK with Australians and what I took from them was that you play fair and you play hard and never ever give up.
Well said Ben. Yeah the news over here in London has been annoying. This is first class cricket played at an international level, not an U12 cricket game played somewhere in Manning(Perth) or Buckinghamshire(England). One should be mindful in the game of play especially at a test cricket level. I would expect any team to be competitive, respectable to opposition team and play by the rules of the game to the letter as what Australia did. That's the spirit of the game?
I love to throw in a brexit fuckery analogy into this, but I better be sporting about this. But yeah come on Australia! 5-0!
This is amazing..loved it.. subscribed
Hilarious how we were all crying on Saturday night about Starc's (not) catch but by Sunday everyone had to follow the law to a tee! hahaha
keep crying
Same Aussies whinged about body line bowling, apparently it was against the spirit of the game 🙄🥱
the poms take whingeing to a new level - far above anything else - and they own the dreariest tiny little patch on earth
@heretichello8253 mate, if you haven’t got it in you to face body line bowling, then you better get the f out of the ground. If it was within the law, it was ok. Aussies could not counter it because they lacked the firepower of the Poms and that is the sad truth. Whining Aussies and all indignant when it suits them. Sledging the pastime if Oz, is very sporting and carries the spirit of cricket right??
I completely agree that Bairstow was out, also Starc's catch wasn't a clean one(he was sliding when the ball touched the turf ). The rules are rules and everyone should respect it .All players must be aware of the rules all the time on the field. The people are talking about the spirit of the game is completely nonsense.
Ball was not dead. Ball was still in the play. Umpire didn't call the over. Bairstow was just premature, he can't call it a over. Umpire calls it a over. Spirit of the game is in following the laws.
Win at any costs. CHEATS.
I just cannot stand the attack on the world champions for a dismissal that was out...
The abuse on the Australians for being cheats when prior English sides have also been caught cheating is disgusting.
But that's typical English Hypocrites...
As a wicket keeper, Bairstow’s carelessness of protecting his wicket is inexcusable. He should know better than that - the rules of mankad stumping.
You nailed it mate...
West Tosstralian.
This is a very well articulated, precise summary of the dismissal. C’arn The Baggy Greens!!!
The difference is that when Bairstow tried to run out Labuschagne it was because he was out of his crease. Bairstow was in his crease when Carey sent a slow under arm at the stumps in the hopes Bairstow would think the ball was dead and wander out. Bairstow was not of his crease for advantage like someone batti g out of their crease.
Nahhh... It's the same you smart fellow
B&Q for sandpaper lads 😂
Am new to this Ben Harvey fella.. you've got a new fan, subscribed!
Fully agree with you Ben on the cricket and that’s coming from an ex Pom. Who’s lived in Perth for over 23 years.
You can add Tony Greig running out Alvin Kallicharran after the last ball of the days play when Alvin started walking off the field.
Good catch. It's on youtube, too.
You can add new Zealand srilanka test match when they run out Muralitharan when he went to nonstriker
Welcome back Mr. Harvey! I hope you enjoyed your vacation.
Don't worry Aussies don't listen the lecture of spirit of game from somebody won the world cup by doing that😂
Can you look up the WORLD CUP FINAL between ENGLAND and NZ , where BEN Stokes Obstructed the Field to win the game ?
Simply a criminal('s) post!
Your cricket segment needs to be played on the big screen at the next test. Well presented. F ckn whinging Pom's
Well presented but factually incorrect, is that what classes as good journalism?
This hypocracy from the country who’s players sandpaper the ball.
As a Pom I agree with you mainly - but Stuart Broad not walking was following in the first example of this by Richie Benaud
I'm glad someone is telling the truth
Love this! Subscribed.
This was so well made 😂
If the tables had turned, they'd be calling us whinging Aussies. The England keeper was trying his luck beforehand, so how is it any different.
It is sad that after two closely fought tests thus far that all we can talk about is one incident. Most shameful was the completely out of order and hostile behaviour of some Lords members towards the Aussie team after the match. It seems that all teams have at some stage tried to bend the rules of the game! Thanks for the insight Ben.
Spot on analysis. Bairstow had no situational awareness, as we say in the flying game.
Fuck me...as a pom - don't see what the fuss is about; cricket's a tedious waste of life...love the NRL though.
Well , I think Stokes' tattoos are not cricket , but that's just me .
Just stumbled across this show - great timing by me to hear Harvey put the pommie hypocrisy in perspectine. When I first saw Bairstows brain dead attitude to the games rules I started laughing and laughing as he was most obviously OUT!
Anyway I like your style in camera, but how do u get away with the F word while working for The West? I subscribed so am waiting for the next installment. Cheers all.
Not long ago since yous where crying your eyes out on tv about using that sandpaper 😂
And you're point is, what exactly?
As a Brit it wasn’t cheating, but then neither was bowling underarm.
It isn’t in the spirit of the beautiful game.
It is a pity that a great game of cricket between 2 evenly matched sides won’t be remembered, but this incident will.
The underarm wasn't in the spirit of the game, but any under 12s player knows to check the keeper before leaving the crease.
What's not in the spirit of the game is the embarrassing carry on from the England players, coach and supporters. Claiming this isnt in the spirit of the game is as dishonest as it is laughable.
No one can deny that the spirt of the game was lost once the big money started to roll in and the term "Its simply not cricket" whenever any action is conducted without decorum, no longer has any meaning.
Love your wrap up mate. The cricket world is laughing at those flogs.
Let’s apply some logic here. If Bairstow was in the process of walking out of his crease thinking the over was completed but was still just in his crease when the ball hit the wicket and then the ball ran towards the boundary. Would bairstow and stokes have ran three runs for overthrows or would bairstow have put his hand up and not run because he believed the ball to be dead.
Mmmm....we'll have to leave that for the 3rd Umpire.
Classic episode 👏👏👏
Stuff the Poms 😊
Aussie win at all costs attitude is as close to cheating as it gets, this has the underarm odour of sandpaper, shove that where it fits
Haha how good is Ben?! Nice commentary mate!
Short memories...
England in 2005. The bowlers used mints, affecting the condition of the ball, to get reverse swing.
"Marcus Trescothick has admitted shining the ball with help from mints during England's 2-1 Ashes victory in 2005"
He was in effect boasting about it after the series had ended. I find this constant calling of Australians as cheats disingenuous, even before the last test.
Excellent point of view and one that happens to be right in my opinion.
I am English. Nothing wrong with the dismissal. More annoyed with Bairstow….
Bairstow tried it on day 3 this match he also did it in NZ last year and Mcpussy did it against England in a ODI to get Collingwood out the problem is they haven't lost in a year and they expected win this to but they fought to tell the world champs.
Underarm was not cheating. It was within the laws of the game.
Why dont you kangaroos stay down there. No cheats welcome!!!
I had a look in the Australia dictionary,unsurprisingly it doesn’t have the world “honesty” in it.
I am English and I accept that Bairstow was careless and lackadaisical. I think it reflects more on England’s sloppiness in this series. No, it was legitimate what Carey did and we shouldn’t say it’s against the spirit of the game. What is against the spirit of the game is ball tampering and grown men weeping crocodile tears not because they cheated but for being caught. Oops sorry.
Australian Board officially expressed their displeasure to MCC about Bodyline Bowling in 1932-33 Ashes as it was not in the spirit of the game. But it was very much within the laws of the game. After that Ashes defeat, they pressurised MCC to change the rules regarding that and they also threatened to cancel the next tour to england in 1934 if they were not ensured to be targeted by bouncers.
It was all done by the Aussies to prevent English Side to win the Ashes repeatedly after 1932-33. It was done in the name of 'spirit of the game'.
The Presenter rightly took the examples of Sidebottom and Broad because Alex Cary or Pat Cummins should be placed on the equal footing with them.
This ashes has been good for the revival of cricket popularity in austrilia and england.
Absolutely. Its out. Its not even a question. Its nothing to do with sprit of cricket. Its batsmen weakness. Jonny Bairstow need improve his basics.
Great show👏
I like these Aussies and English fight in cricket..... We all are fed up with Indo-Pak fight for too long.....!
The hypocreasy and hyperbowl is absolutely stumping!
subscribed! love it
Oh I literally enjoyed it 😂
Finally someone i agree with 💯