As an England fan , I have absolutely no problem with Bairstow`s dismissal . It`s up to the umpires to decide whether the ball is dead or not . During my playing days , as a keeper , I tried many times to get batsmen out in this way - but I never once managed to find anyone dopey enough to fall for it - and that`s village cricket ! For a test player to fall for it is plain crazy . England seem to be blurring the lines between positivity and stupidity during this series . It`s the Ashes , guys . Sharpen up ! People only talk about "the spirit of cricket" , when it suits their argument . In reality , it doesn`t exist .
Seems to me as though most players and ex players feel as though it was a legitimate dismissal. It's only idiots and attention seekers that have never played the game, plus the odd politician trying to curry favour with the masses that think there was anything wrong with it.
And when the venal cnuts at Sky/NewsCorp promote outrage for their own profits…**** Stokes, Bairstow, Broad, Bazball, Baz and every whingeing English sod who abused their privilege at Lords 😠
@@langdalepaul The thing is, the whole concept of sportsmanship is rather vague and tenuous, and most sportsmen have crossed the line at some point in their careers. It makes it difficult to take the moral high ground when you are just as guilty of sharp practices as everybody else.
Maybe, maybe not. It is impossible to learn from a mistake without being willing to admit that you made one. Jonny Bairstow hasn't shown any sign of taking responsibility for a situation which arose from his nonchalance and this makes me think he may do it again.
English fan here-The moment i saw this live I knew it was out, nothing wrong with it. I enjoyed the comical grounding of Broad's bat for the rest of the day after the event but everything else was out of line. Spirit of Cricket as discussed is usually rolled out when laws cannot back the argument. Bowling under arm feels against the spirit but this was not. Nobody complained when pope ran out Colin de Grandhomme after he went walkabout following an LBW appeal last year, Broad did not walk when he knew he edged the ball in an Ashes test and as we have seen Mcullum and every body else has a history of the same thing. Bairstow tried to do this in the same match and we have seen him do a similar thing verses Patel in a county game. Here Bairstow gets credit but not Carey, it is rank hypocracy. Its been close but Australlia have been better (as much as it pains me to say it) and without many of their big guns firing consistently. Arogance on our part I feel also contributed to the loss in the first test match. I understand they wanted to protect Anderson from batting although I personally believe nobody should be protected, if they need to be do not play them. We still had Root in and Anderson was not even due yet. 393 was not enough verses this or Many other Australlia teams of years gone by. In the first innings you try to get as big a lead a you can, possibly avoiding the need to bat twice. I think the English arrogance on the back of Baz ball left them feeling that they could skittle out australlia with relative ease.
Great point on the England declaration first test, first innings. I get it if it’s 10 and 11 batting, but joe root on 100 odd smashing it everywhere, it just seemed a careless dismissal. Let him bat till he’s out and they win the test. Was a head scratcher. England have been so close but I think they are broken psychologically now. It’s a shame the series has become so hostile, but it sure is compelling!!
@@Gorilla_warfare its a storm in a tea cup really, added some spice. Don't think it is as hostile as the media are making out or the Egland team have to cover their mistakes. 13 dropped catches and a missed stumping and again this afternoon we are throwing away a great position. Dropping marsh is never a good thing. He can score so quickly and I felt this at the time.
Great video mate, I’d like to point out to that isn’t spoke much about . As bairstow leaves his crease, at the non strikers end stokes turns around grounds his bat and is looking at the umpire. Safe to say he didn’t think the ball was dead
Correct. I noticed that myself. The other important point was that the ball had left Carey’s glove before Bairstow had even left his crease. It’s just plain out!
Even in from U-11 our coaches taught us to always stay in your crease when the ball is in play. That is just basics of cricket, to stay in your crease and protect your stumps.
It's the fact that he didn't look behind himself to see if the ball was dead. That was a habit drilled into every u11 schoolboy. Bairstow is a doosie individual 😂
mate this video was absolutely gold. last clip perfectly highlighted the hypocrisy of english cricket and bairstow, and how all this drama takes away what really happened - a fantastic game of cricket. to be honest i forgot about how well josh tongue bowled all because of this, and really makes me think twice about some players i had respect for, baz being one and im saying this as a kiwi
100%. As a fellow kiwi, Baz's comments have left me eye rolling. It's not like he hasn't tried that same dismissal a dozen times in his career. I get that you have to be supportive of your team and get around your boys, but seriously 🙄
To be entirely fair to Bairstow. I don’t think he’s actually said much about the whole incident. He accepted the ruling and walked off. I’m an Aussie and he seems to be the one quietest about the whole affair.
The sad part is. I like Baz for doing it. Shows how a alert a keeper he was. Keeping his finger on the pulse and his team in the game. Just very disappointing he didn’t come out and say bairstow should of done better. He knows it and we know it. All it would of taken instead they are playing victim to a white wash in the series
It says in the preamble to the MCC rules talking about the spirit of the game it says "play hard & play fair" that's exactly what Australia did. It also says "Respect your opposition and the umpires" & "abide by the umpires decision" neither of which England have done, so it's England who aren't playing in the spirit of the game.
@@jonescrusher1 You are kidding aren't you surely, all they done since the game finished is whinge & whinge about it, so they don't abide by it, they've slurred their opposition by insinuating they've cheated so they've shown no respect to their opposition for clever well through out & executed cricket.
English fan here and like the rest of your channel this is great content. As you and all other aussies have pointed out, the side and more specifically bairstow have no leg to stand on when it comes to the "spirit of cricket". When the stumping happened my heart dropped, and it felt unfair - after a few minutes of processing, i realised it was unfair for bairstow to be such a dozey git in such a vital innings. Unfortunately a sizable and vocal section of english fans/pundits went the tribalistic and delusional route instead. I love the conflict as much as the next fan but not when it results in second-hand embarrassment. On another note, scrap the MCC. Bunch of fossils who come from the same traditions and conceptions around the game that have led to the damning report.
Yeah hearing today the MCC abused Steve Smiths Mother so bad she had to leave and they made an 11 year old son of one of the staffers cry, that he had to be consoled by the entire team imho should all be banned forever from any stadium. Its beyond disgusting anywhere but especially at a Cricket game. That is probably the worst case of going against the spirit of the game I've ever heard of.
As an Aussie I had the exact same reaction. Our coverage didn’t show Carey throw the ball, we only heard the stumps break and Bairstow looking shocked. My first thought was “oooh, that’s a bit desperate. Not sure about that.” But the replays began to give a bit of context. When I saw it was all one motion I was satisfied that it was within the spirit of the game, as intangible as that is. But I still felt bad for Bairstow, a player I really like btw. But then more replays showed him walking from his ground, almost immediately, without checking the ball or umpire multiple, times that over. I then felt Bairstow, as a batsman, should have known better. Then the replay of him trying the same with Marnus on day 2, and I mean at this point, as a wicketkeeper, he has no leg to stand on to criticise Carey or the Australians. The stuff Broad was doing was vintage and the sort of thing we love to hate here. A but of theatre, same with the crowd chanting. It soon gets tired however. But the lunch incident in the longroom was when it dawned on me as a viewer that this dismissal had seemingly cut way deeper than it ought to have. I have seen crowds do some pretty sad things here in Australia, but none claimed to be custodians of the game. I honestly did expect better of those members. The post match stuff was also a bit of a shocker. I mean for a side that’s lost two tests in a row, won both tosses and had the better of the conditions, it must be an attempt at distraction. Stokes as captain didn’t congratulate his competition, or really do any reflection on where his side has gone wrong in losing the first two tests. Not a lot of contrition was shown. For me this also comes under the “spirit of the game.” I think it’s a shame. This tactic may have ignited the series with tensions high. But I hope an earnest attempt is made by the English to adjust their game because I want to see a good competition.
Aus' here, both teams have played incredible games, its just unfortunate that a great match ended this way. I wouldnt do it myself. This cant be compared to mankading as the player is trying to gain an advantage. You can tell by Bairstow's actions that he thought the ball was dead. To me its a pretty shitty way to take a wicket, even if its 'legal' I would have thought that a warning from the wicket keeper should have been given first. Cant wait for tomorrow night. I would like to see England win the next two tests and what a fifth test we would have. Lets see.
I think this is a measure of maturity. I seem to recall the Aussie general public and media got over the Starc catch pretty quickly, not 24hours prior.
Looking at all those replays, it did seem a bit too casual, almost arrogant, on the part of Bairstow to just walk off without checking behind him first.
It's the greatest test wicket in history. Which one has been celebrated by the whole world and most of England for days after? Only some extremely salty sooks that dont understand the rules they wrote are upset like Benny
Hundred percent agree. He might be a bit dozy and prone to a brain fart, but Bairstow is dangerous. On a deck that flat, he and Stokes could easily have chased that total. Super work by Carey, he's having a blinder of a series with the gloves.
@silverrahul Nah its the GOAT. Couldn't of made an entire country cry if you tried. Its also stopped them from being so chummy. It was getting cringe the amount of smiling and joking. This is the fucking Ashes. It's the highest prize in Cricket. Carey may be the GOAT sports person after this. What a man. Maybe even Nobel Prize winner. Second coming of Jesus too
how much training goes into hoping the batsman thinks the ball is dead ???? how many hours in the nets did that take ???? is that what you call entertainment and a challenge between bat and ball ???. i don't watch cricket for that...
Marnus was batting out of his crease, attempting to take lbw out of the game. This makes it incomparable. Bairstow still made a pretty dumb error though.
@@hillbilly3772 marnus was not batting out of his crease - watch the footage again. His back foot is in his crease, he literally just stood there and watched the ball fly past the stumps
Really don't get why people have an issue with this, he didn't stay in his crease, got stumped, he's out. Its like at the other end people crying because their batsmen can't cheat and run early
You calling the comments of Stokes and McCullum a smokescreen was so spot on for me, Bazball was supposed to wipe the Aussies away like a smear and return the Ashes to England in a blaze of glory. The hype was built up into an absolute frenzy to the point where neither the team, nor the English public can accept the simple truth: your team just isn’t as good as ours is and hasn’t been for a long time.
@@jacobburtonswfc such a gentlemen sport. I didn't knew much about cricket but now everyone is pointing the cheating of everyone and as I said ... such a gentlemen sport
It is tragic that such a good game is overshadowed by these complaints. So many legends of the game have already come out and said Bairstow dropped the ball and should have known better. You're probably right that this is just a tactic by the English to get their fans and team fired up to do better than they have been so far.
Very good summary. And thank you for pointing out the disgraceful comments of Bairstow, Stokes and McCullum (I'd add Broad) which were certainly not in the spirit of the game.
Is anyone taking the English side in this 'debate' seriously suggesting that if Alex Carey and fumbled the ball and Ben Stokes had called Jonny Bairstow through for a run, that Jonny would have declined and politely informed Ben that as far as he was concerned the ball was dead! Of course not.
One point of the incedent that doesn't get mentioned is that when the stumps are hit, greene is only about a foot away from Bairstow, halfway down the pitch, I could understand if he was grabbing his hat back from the ump, but it just shows how fast Bairstow left his crease. Also it's bewildering that Bairstow didn't look back to see where the ball had gone at anytime. What if Carey had of fumbled the ball? He could have missed potential byes.
1981 Eng-India test, Kris Srikanth on his debut was run out by Embury in a similar fashion to Bairstow. English captain did not recall Srikanth. Where was the spirit of the game then? When convenient you call the "spirit of the game", rest of the time the spirit goes into hiding. 😂
I think Johnny thought it was him that decides when the ball is dead. He also believed it was him that decides when it is end of the over. All he needs to do is scratch at his crease. He didnt even look back. He just took off. Carey threw it before he had even walked out of his crease. He managed to achieve what Bairstow tried to do, but couldnt. It is a fairly common thing in lower grade cricket, and many keepers attempt the stumping at test level...it just does not often work at test level because the batsmen have been around long enough to know better. It was a terrific piece of wicket keeping. Too much silly emotion took over. Carey has had a v v good series so far. Bairstow has been awful. If that ball hit the stumps and went to the boundary, they would take the 4 runs 100%, and the crowd would have been very happy.
English ex-cricketer here. Bairstow was 100% out. Well spotted by the keeper. As a batsman it's drilled into you to check where the ball is before leaving your crease. Bairstow made a schoolboy error and failed to do this.
By calling into question of the spirit of the game, Stokes and McCallum violated it. He's put into question Cummin's captaincy by not withdrawing the appeal. That's not in the spirit of their game. They should accept all decisions made by the umpires and congratulate their opponents on their success.
I agree that the dismissal was within the rules but it was poor by Cummins. It is sporting to congratulate the winning team but you can’t congratulate that particular moment
I got out stumped when playing indoor cricket for leaving my crease due to me missing my shot and being frustrated with myself for playing a poor shot. My instant reaction when stumped was "that can't be right," but when I had a second or two to think about it, I knew I was out. I have never left my crease again in the same manner and realise it is my responsibility as a batter to be aware of my position in the crease at all times.
McCullum was on the NZ SEN cricket show and was asked about the 'beers' comment. To paraphrase, he basically said that he knew it would play well in the English media and more or less laughed it off as that. I think they're just using it as a tool to try to get the crowds onside. They should be pissed off at Bairstow for making a mistake usually only 10yr olds make and then learn their lesson. Also, the 'Spirit of Cricket' is clearly defined in the preamble to the laws. It states that the umpires authority is to be respected. No more, no less.
looks bad now, considering our media here in Aus blew up that story recently about the English team refusing to have drinks with the Aus boys at the end of the Oval test last week. I liked McCullum as a batsman when he was playing, but he shot himself in the foot with that comment. Didnt he take 10yrs to apologise for that Murali runout he did? Maybe Carey/Cummins will backtrack on the stumping in 2033 sometime haha.
Excellent content and exlained very well. I like the "Smokescreen" piece and agree that you maybe right, to move the focus of the media away from the poor England performance. Well done, and shame on MCC behaviour, appaulling spirit of cricket.
Absolutely nailed it. Tounge was fantastic in his debut Ashes test. Almost unplayable for those few devastating overs. What a great addition, especially with Broad and Anderson looking fairly creaky in the joints. Can we talk about Pat Cummin's double wicket over, with arguably the best ball of the series to Brook? Starc's return to the side adding some heat to the attack? Lyon batting with a series ending calf injury? Stokes's innings nearly won the match, and without another top order batter at the other end, had to carry the run chase himself. Warner and Smith are still in the Australian side, and it's taken me a while to be ok with that as an Australian. But this team feels like the most "fair" team we've had in a years.
The “spirit of the game” is effectively the etiquette of the game, or the unspoken rules, built around concepts of fair competition. It definitely exists. You see it in players that walk or don’t when they’re clearly out and how their reputations are affected. Run outs by bowlers and batsmen handling the ball are other examples of it. The etiquette to this style of stumping is clearly on display by all teams as being acceptable. The only two times it hasn’t been is this match and when England were in the West Indies. The reason those two matches stand out as exceptions were because of an emotionally charged home crowd. But this breaches a worse rule, an unequal set of rules based on where a match is played and how invested the fans are. Different rules for home sides is a worse breach of any “spirit of cricket”. So, there’s no question this stumping is in the rules, it’s then arguable if there’s such a thing as etiquette but I believe there is. The last is whether the etiquette is conducted consistently, and all the evidence points to this being an acceptable form of dismissal in most cases attempted by all teams, the only exceptions to it being when passionate home crowds come into play. So essentially, arguing for an exception to the rule on the basis of home team passion by crying “spirit of the game” is itself against the “spirit of the game”
Of course Australia aren't immune to going against the spirit of the game. That underarm delivery by Trev Chappel was an absolute disgrace and the Kiwis still aren't over it over 40 years later and I don't really blame them. Within the laws of the game, yes. But, that's only because ODI cricket was pretty new at the time and they probably never foresaw something like this happening. This incident though is completely different. Carey had every right to do what he did against a batsman who was brain-dead. I'm Australian btw
It’s useful to watch the previous few overs of Bairstow leaving his crease early without checking behind him. Bairstow as a WK should know better. In fact he does, as he tried the same thing in the same game. Carey is just the far better keeper.
Professional cricketer at the highest level and at a critical time in a tight moment of a gripping match makes a schoolboy error and cries - loudly - that "it isn't fair". Please, just stop.
Question... should the incident at 0:40 not have been ruled a no-ball? The ball had not yet been bowled and was not in play, and the bowler had stepped over the crease before dislodging the bails.
Surely it's in the spirit of cricket to protect your wicket, it's something you can control. So something personal like Stokes was talking about. So was Bairstow acting in the spirit of cricket? You can go on with this sort of stuff. Great video mate.
wouldn't it be 'sporting' for Duckett to walk after being caught by Starc ? - it was not dropped, it was in the field of play and was from a legal delivery.
It seems to me Bairstow did not leave the crease thinking the umpire had called 'over' or the ball as presumed dead. He had the habit of walking down the pitch to pad-down the spot of the last delivery. To do that he has to keep a mental image of the impact point. This image fades quickly, so he trots off soon as he can. When he was stumped, he trotted off without taking care if the ball was actually alive. In the video you can see Bairstow's eyes are fixed on the area of the last delivery and mindlessly walks toward it. Carey (or others) had previously observed Bairstow's habit. Bairstow lost situational awareness. He did not really know where the ball actually was (he assumed he knew), didn't know what Carey was doing (assumed he knew), and wasn't really sure what he himself was doing (in thinking a foot scrape behind the crease is enough to make the ball dead). He was preoccupied with tapping down the impact point on the pitch. It was one of the intermittent lapses in concentration he has.
As an Aussie (albeit not born yet during this incident) I don't agree with people who blindly say there are no laws banning an action meaning it's fair as that underarm delivery by Trevor Chappel was an absolute disgrace and took advantage of a hole in laws of the game that shockingly never foresaw this happening. That absolutely was against the spirit of the game and Greg Chappel should be ashamed of himself ordering of all people his brother to do such a disgraceful act. Would you excuse killing someone if murder wasn't illegal? Having said that I think this dismissal isn't at all comparable. This isn't taking advantage of a hole in the laws of the game. It was taking advantage of a stupid batsman who got what he was asking for. I also see the mankad as fair. If the runner wants to get a Headstart then they take that risk.
@silverrahul do you think the citizens of England under Henry VIII thought that it was ok to behead all those people just because he's a king? I doubt it very much
Great video. Thank you. Summed up all the key points perfectly (although I am Aussie so definitely some bias). Can't wait for the 3rd test, should be very spicy!
You don't need to be an Aussie to see the utter hypocrisy of all this. He's out just like thousands of others who have done EXACTLY the same thing. And as someones else said here, where's the controversy? Move on, nothing to see here.
I am just curious if Carey missed the stump and ball went to boundary will england not accept the runs and then how the famous final world cup deflection by strokes was taken.
The "spirit of the game" is surely learning, understanding and respecting the rules and accepting the umpires decision. England and Bairstow demonstrate none of this. WE shed OUR tears as 8 year olds In backyards and at school To leave your ground say "wicket leave" It's how WE learnt THEIR rule.
13:20 and its also the fact that they waited for years and years just for the opportunity to stand in such a prestigious position inside the long room, just to stuff it up by saying things that really didnt need to be said.
@@jacksonconstantine5740 only 1 documented instance of cheating as far as I can recall. Unlike the English, of course, who have never used anything, such as mints, to tamper with the ball.
It’s not like he held the ball and waited for bairstow to walk out of his crease, like what bairstow has done in the past, he caught in and threw it as soon as he could. Englands excuse that the umpires moved was the umpires fault for not realising it was a stumping attempt. It would’ve been really disappointing if it was given not out because the umpires weren’t focused. England trying taking the moral high ground after bowling bouncers at Lyon who is struggling to stand because of a injury is disgraceful
I actually dont have a problem with mankanding. How else are you supposed to keep the non striker in their crease? The rules are written like that for a reason.
Every team has done it but conveniently forget that when it happens to their team. If it's against the spirit of the game change the rule. Otherwise play til the ball is dead, if you get caught out it's only yourself to blame.
My opinion on the issue of "Mankanding" is that it is cheating for the batsman to advance before the ball is bowled, as that gives him a clear head start and thus an advantage in avoiding being run out . Run out margins are often in inches and therefore advancing before the ball is bowled is cheating. Therefore I cannot fathom why the bowler running out a batsman in this manner should be frowned upon. The bowler is legitimately running out a batsman who has tried to cheat.
I would offer the view that the "spirit of cricket" is better served if the batter not cheat in the first place? Is there no onus on the batter to be mindful of :"the spirit of cricket"?
I completely agree with everything you said about it being in the laws of the game. He is daft to have left his crease before confirming it was over. However, a mankad is actually more legitimate in my eyes than that. Mankad happens when a batter is trying to jump the gun on getting a run in. Therefore giving an advantage. This was Bairstow in his crease, marking his line, clearly "settled", then walking to chat with his fellow batter. There is zero advantage to him leaving his crease "faster" here. I agree he was daft to do it, but it can't be argued it is a sly way to win. Same if England do it, but that clip you showed at the end of Bairstow stumping, was of a wicket keeper standing up to the wicket and stumping instantly, the batter hadn't "settled" from the shot. If Carey had been standing up or thrown it faster he would not have got him. The same argument applies to someone being "settled with the ball" when catching. Also people can disagree with the laws of the game. The anger is sparked more by this kind of video, than if you'd just left it alone.
As a lot of people have said, it is within the rules of the game. Even a previous England captain (Vaughn) has said that it was a 'brain fart' on Bairstow's part to leave the crease without looking at the keeper and 'getting the nod' that the over was over, if Carey had stumped him after giving the nod, then it would have been against the spirit of the game. Given that Bairstow had attempted to do the same thing in the same match (and had done the same thing in another match and when asked about it said it was withing the rules so it was ok) then I don't think that the England team can use the 'spirit of cricket' defense in any way for this, as they have done (or attempted to do) the same thing themselves, I think that Bairsow (and the rest of the team) should take Baistow's own advice from 2014. Interestingly the MCC has disciplined the members involved in the altercation in the long room. And dare anyone mention bodyline?
Thank you, I was sure it was a stumping and not a run out and you clarified that beautifully. The other so called controversy was the start catch and again all quedos to the umpires. Start during the action of catching the ball clearly grounded therefore it was deemed dropped. The umpires should be congratulated as they correctly called both situations.
Carey’s catching of the ball and the stumping were carried out in a single motion. The over couldn’t possibly have been called at an end. The ball was live, the stumping was brilliant and Bairstow learnt a lesson. I doubt that we’ll be talking about this in years to come (if we are we’ve got Bugger all to talk about). Once this Ashes series is over it will be quickly forgotten, but coaches everywhere will drill players to stay in the crease until the ball is dead.
Does anyone know the exact law for Mankad? Some say it has to be 'before' the delivery stride, some say after. Also is the delivery stride the step of the front foot to the crease line? Or the next step after that? No one seems to know.
The batsman shouldn't be out of the crease before the ball is supposed to be bowled. That means, if the bowler has completed half of his bowling action, he/she can't run out the runner. The difference between Ashwin's runout and Australian bowlers runout was that the Australian spinner had almost rotated his shoulder and was at the point of release, whereas Ashwin had even begun his rotation of the shoulders. The Australian bowler deceived the runner, whereas Ashwin didn't because you're not supposed to be out of your crease before the bowling action started.
@sectokia1909 Mankad: if the non striker is out of the crease any time up until the ball is normally released by the bowler, he can be run out. Dumping that silly custom is a good thing. The non striker needs to stay in their crease just like the batsman or risk getting out.
Those of us who have played many years of cricket also have had the pleasure?? of having to umpire quite a few games also and one thing was always clear; when an umpire called out quite loudly "over". When this occurs there can be no doubt that the ball is then dead and the batsmen are free to tend their garden, make small talk or engage in some other mental outlet all they like. It seems the ICC and their umpires rarely seem to do this nowadays so are they then contributing to the murky waters which is easily put to bed if this simple act is followed? I have also had a keeper throw down the stumps of a batsmen that overbalanced and stepped out of his crease and foolishly never stepped back in when the keeper was 15 yards (ok 5 yards as I was never that quick) away and have it deemed a stumping as the form of dismissal. Clever work by the keeper no doubt and no argument from the opposition nor the batsmen. It happens...move on...next game please. Leave the hystrionics behind and learn from your mistakes. I was still finding new ways to be dismissed or "never befores" after 30 years of playing the game.
IF Stokes wouldn't want to win a game that way, WTF is Bairstow doing trying to get Labuschagne out in precisely the same way, in the same test 😱 ... pure, unadulterated bull💩 and sour🍇
I can't remember how Bairstow was described by the commentary team, but I'm pretty sure it was something along the lines of sloppy. And I'm in complete agreement! He's a professional sportsman and should know the rule book. The opportunity presented itself and the Ozzie's took it. Fair play! I'm convinced England would have done exactly the same given the situation and have little room rattle on about "being in the spirit of the game" when the only ones who appear to be taking liberties with it are some of the fans and in particular the MCC members who heckled them on the teams return to the pavilion. Going to be an exciting 3 remaining matches of the series, but any mention of this being a "potential turning point" will be bollocks!
McCullum promoted this style of play as a player /coach for Brisbane in the T20 format….good to watch but needed balance to be consistently winning…as a Queenslander I soon got sick of the bravado that caused us to lose too often…
I wanna see the English bowlers continue to bounce the Aussies, and on an occasion an Aussie handles the ball… The English go up and appeal and the crowd rise as one for a dismissal… Then the batsman says ‘nah, I was protecting myself from injury’… keep his wicket and go on to score a glorious ton.
that game could of ended up being one of the greatest test matches of all time . the whole country might have stopped what they where doing and turning on the tv at 6 pm to watch a truly inspirational moment in the history of english cricket...but no because the batsman thought the ball was dead he was justifiably given a warning...ALL WE WANT IS ENTERTAINMENT.....
"What we are now starting to see is what the team looks like when it begins to suffer a couple of defeats in a row" - Actually its what we have ALWAYS seen with the English team. It's just the culture of that national team, always has been.
I presume the whole 'Spirit of the game' argument is premised on the belief that Bairstow thought the ball was dead and therefore the Australians shouldn't have appealed? Allow me to counter. If you watch the replay you'll notice that Bairstow does not look back ONCE after the ball passes the bat. For all Bairstow knew, the ball could very well have been halfway to the boundary for byes and very much alive. That alone makes the whole 'he thought it was dead' argument invalid. He assumed the ball was dead, and we all know what assumption is...
There is a very important life lesson in understanding that you are really only ever responsible for your own actions. Specifically for Jonny Bairstow, he should be putting his hand up and apologising for allowing the situation to happen in the first place. Remember, you won't learn from a mistake if you don't admit you made it.
Good points made. Given England are only 2 draws/1 loss out of 3 tests away from losing the Ashes at home, of course they'll make the stumping the biggest talking point for the next few days Or even weeks. Also, McCullum, Bairstow, Broad and even Stokes should reflect on their own actions which violate so called spirit of cricket.
To a certain degree I agree, when one side is doing it doesnt necessarily justify us doing it. Wicket keeper could give him a warning first and then go from there. Bairstow wasnt trying to gain an advantage.
@daniello9155 alot of stumpings off of spinners aren't trying to get an advantage, they're usually trying to get back😅, stumpings off seamers should definitely be fine too
how much training goes into hoping the batsman thinks the ball is dead ???? how many hours in the nets did that take ???? is that what you call entertainment and a challenge between bat and ball ???. i don't watch cricket for that...
@@marcuslowe2164 different circumstances, part of the wicket keepers job is stumping during the play/miss of the ball, this was close enough to being a dead ball. yes it was legal.
As much as the mankad is not really “in the spirit of cricket” I don’t think the non striker being two or three steps down the pitch by the time the ball leaves the bowlers hand is either so I don’t see the problem with it. Just like this incident, stay in your crease and there won’t be a problem
As an England fan , I have absolutely no problem with Bairstow`s dismissal . It`s up to the umpires to decide whether the ball is dead or not . During my playing days , as a keeper , I tried many times to get batsmen out in this way - but I never once managed to find anyone dopey enough to fall for it - and that`s village cricket ! For a test player to fall for it is plain crazy . England seem to be blurring the lines between positivity and stupidity during this series . It`s the Ashes , guys . Sharpen up ! People only talk about "the spirit of cricket" , when it suits their argument . In reality , it doesn`t exist .
Seems to me as though most players and ex players feel as though it was a legitimate dismissal. It's only idiots and attention seekers that have never played the game, plus the odd politician trying to curry favour with the masses that think there was anything wrong with it.
The best we can hope for is that Bairstow has learned his lesson.
The spirit of the game is just another way of saying sportsmanship. Are you really saying that sportsmanship doesn’t or shouldn’t exist?
And when the venal cnuts at Sky/NewsCorp promote outrage for their own profits…**** Stokes, Bairstow, Broad, Bazball, Baz and every whingeing English sod who abused their privilege at Lords 😠
@@langdalepaul The thing is, the whole concept of sportsmanship is rather vague and tenuous, and most sportsmen have crossed the line at some point in their careers. It makes it difficult to take the moral high ground when you are just as guilty of sharp practices as everybody else.
"Don't leave your crease" will be remembered for a while now
Maybe, maybe not. It is impossible to learn from a mistake without being willing to admit that you made one. Jonny Bairstow hasn't shown any sign of taking responsibility for a situation which arose from his nonchalance and this makes me think he may do it again.
@@robwri9544He did this before some other test match mate
English fan here-The moment i saw this live I knew it was out, nothing wrong with it. I enjoyed the comical grounding of Broad's bat for the rest of the day after the event but everything else was out of line. Spirit of Cricket as discussed is usually rolled out when laws cannot back the argument. Bowling under arm feels against the spirit but this was not. Nobody complained when pope ran out Colin de Grandhomme after he went walkabout following an LBW appeal last year, Broad did not walk when he knew he edged the ball in an Ashes test and as we have seen Mcullum and every body else has a history of the same thing. Bairstow tried to do this in the same match and we have seen him do a similar thing verses Patel in a county game. Here Bairstow gets credit but not Carey, it is rank hypocracy. Its been close but Australlia have been better (as much as it pains me to say it) and without many of their big guns firing consistently. Arogance on our part I feel also contributed to the loss in the first test match. I understand they wanted to protect Anderson from batting although I personally believe nobody should be protected, if they need to be do not play them. We still had Root in and Anderson was not even due yet. 393 was not enough verses this or Many other Australlia teams of years gone by. In the first innings you try to get as big a lead a you can, possibly avoiding the need to bat twice. I think the English arrogance on the back of Baz ball left them feeling that they could skittle out australlia with relative ease.
Great point on the England declaration first test, first innings. I get it if it’s 10 and 11 batting, but joe root on 100 odd smashing it everywhere, it just seemed a careless dismissal. Let him bat till he’s out and they win the test. Was a head scratcher.
England have been so close but I think they are broken psychologically now. It’s a shame the series has become so hostile, but it sure is compelling!!
@@Gorilla_warfare its a storm in a tea cup really, added some spice. Don't think it is as hostile as the media are making out or the Egland team have to cover their mistakes. 13 dropped catches and a missed stumping and again this afternoon we are throwing away a great position. Dropping marsh is never a good thing. He can score so quickly and I felt this at the time.
Great video mate, I’d like to point out to that isn’t spoke much about . As bairstow leaves his crease, at the non strikers end stokes turns around grounds his bat and is looking at the umpire. Safe to say he didn’t think the ball was dead
That was valid till 7 years ago then the rulebook changed.. petals can scuk it up have a wnak say sorry to mother and harden the fc UK up
He wasn't thinking of much at all I suspect .
Well spotted
Correct. I noticed that myself. The other important point was that the ball had left Carey’s glove before Bairstow had even left his crease. It’s just plain out!
Even in from U-11 our coaches taught us to always stay in your crease when the ball is in play. That is just basics of cricket, to stay in your crease and protect your stumps.
It's the fact that he didn't look behind himself to see if the ball was dead. That was a habit drilled into every u11 schoolboy. Bairstow is a doosie individual 😂
mate this video was absolutely gold. last clip perfectly highlighted the hypocrisy of english cricket and bairstow, and how all this drama takes away what really happened - a fantastic game of cricket. to be honest i forgot about how well josh tongue bowled all because of this, and really makes me think twice about some players i had respect for, baz being one and im saying this as a kiwi
The clip is from Yorkshire vs. Nottingham in a County Championship match in 2014; the batsman was Samit Patel.
100%. As a fellow kiwi, Baz's comments have left me eye rolling. It's not like he hasn't tried that same dismissal a dozen times in his career. I get that you have to be supportive of your team and get around your boys, but seriously 🙄
They just can't take it when it happens to them. Typical english
To be entirely fair to Bairstow. I don’t think he’s actually said much about the whole incident. He accepted the ruling and walked off. I’m an Aussie and he seems to be the one quietest about the whole affair.
The sad part is. I like Baz for doing it. Shows how a alert a keeper he was. Keeping his finger on the pulse and his team in the game. Just very disappointing he didn’t come out and say bairstow should of done better. He knows it and we know it. All it would of taken instead they are playing victim to a white wash in the series
looks like the ball left Carey's gloves before Bairstow left the crease ... further supporting the concept that the game was still live
I agree 100%. And I'm an England fan. Bairstow was criminally careless (not for the first time). Carey did nothing wrong at all.
Cheers for that, but Carey only tried it on Bairstow because Bairstow has.
Comeuppance is the word that comes to my mind.
That's a brilliant clip at the end
Love how Carey couldn’t predict the outcome as he released the ball. Watch his in-flight reaction!
It says in the preamble to the MCC rules talking about the spirit of the game it says "play hard & play fair" that's exactly what Australia did. It also says "Respect your opposition and the umpires" & "abide by the umpires decision" neither of which England have done, so it's England who aren't playing in the spirit of the game.
In what way have England not respected or abided by the decision?
@@jonescrusher1 You are kidding aren't you surely, all they done since the game finished is whinge & whinge about it, so they don't abide by it, they've slurred their opposition by insinuating they've cheated so they've shown no respect to their opposition for clever well through out & executed cricket.
English fan here and like the rest of your channel this is great content. As you and all other aussies have pointed out, the side and more specifically bairstow have no leg to stand on when it comes to the "spirit of cricket". When the stumping happened my heart dropped, and it felt unfair - after a few minutes of processing, i realised it was unfair for bairstow to be such a dozey git in such a vital innings. Unfortunately a sizable and vocal section of english fans/pundits went the tribalistic and delusional route instead. I love the conflict as much as the next fan but not when it results in second-hand embarrassment.
On another note, scrap the MCC. Bunch of fossils who come from the same traditions and conceptions around the game that have led to the damning report.
Yeah hearing today the MCC abused Steve Smiths Mother so bad she had to leave and they made an 11 year old son of one of the staffers cry, that he had to be consoled by the entire team imho should all be banned forever from any stadium. Its beyond disgusting anywhere but especially at a Cricket game. That is probably the worst case of going against the spirit of the game I've ever heard of.
As an Aussie I had the exact same reaction. Our coverage didn’t show Carey throw the ball, we only heard the stumps break and Bairstow looking shocked.
My first thought was “oooh, that’s a bit desperate. Not sure about that.” But the replays began to give a bit of context. When I saw it was all one motion I was satisfied that it was within the spirit of the game, as intangible as that is. But I still felt bad for Bairstow, a player I really like btw.
But then more replays showed him walking from his ground, almost immediately, without checking the ball or umpire multiple, times that over. I then felt Bairstow, as a batsman, should have known better.
Then the replay of him trying the same with Marnus on day 2, and I mean at this point, as a wicketkeeper, he has no leg to stand on to criticise Carey or the Australians.
The stuff Broad was doing was vintage and the sort of thing we love to hate here. A but of theatre, same with the crowd chanting. It soon gets tired however.
But the lunch incident in the longroom was when it dawned on me as a viewer that this dismissal had seemingly cut way deeper than it ought to have. I have seen crowds do some pretty sad things here in Australia, but none claimed to be custodians of the game. I honestly did expect better of those members.
The post match stuff was also a bit of a shocker. I mean for a side that’s lost two tests in a row, won both tosses and had the better of the conditions, it must be an attempt at distraction.
Stokes as captain didn’t congratulate his competition, or really do any reflection on where his side has gone wrong in losing the first two tests. Not a lot of contrition was shown. For me this also comes under the “spirit of the game.”
I think it’s a shame. This tactic may have ignited the series with tensions high. But I hope an earnest attempt is made by the English to adjust their game because I want to see a good competition.
Aus' here, both teams have played incredible games, its just unfortunate that a great match ended this way. I wouldnt do it myself. This cant be compared to mankading as the player is trying to gain an advantage. You can tell by Bairstow's actions that he thought the ball was dead. To me its a pretty shitty way to take a wicket, even if its 'legal' I would have thought that a warning from the wicket keeper should have been given first. Cant wait for tomorrow night. I would like to see England win the next two tests and what a fifth test we would have. Lets see.
I think this is a measure of maturity. I seem to recall the Aussie general public and media got over the Starc catch pretty quickly, not 24hours prior.
I'm curious as to how many English players and fans thought that bowling bouncers at a seriously injured Nathan Lyon was in the "Spirit of Cricket".
I believe Stokes saying he would have recalled a batsman if the shoe was on the other foot is just a plain lie!
Looking at all those replays, it did seem a bit too casual, almost arrogant, on the part of Bairstow to just walk off without checking behind him first.
Schoolboy error moving out of your crease.
Goes down as one of the great stumping's in cricket!! Brilliant work by Carey.
😂 no it doesn’t it just goes down as extreme controversy.
It's the greatest test wicket in history. Which one has been celebrated by the whole world and most of England for days after? Only some extremely salty sooks that dont understand the rules they wrote are upset like Benny
Hundred percent agree. He might be a bit dozy and prone to a brain fart, but Bairstow is dangerous. On a deck that flat, he and Stokes could easily have chased that total. Super work by Carey, he's having a blinder of a series with the gloves.
@silverrahul Nah its the GOAT. Couldn't of made an entire country cry if you tried. Its also stopped them from being so chummy. It was getting cringe the amount of smiling and joking. This is the fucking Ashes. It's the highest prize in Cricket. Carey may be the GOAT sports person after this. What a man. Maybe even Nobel Prize winner. Second coming of Jesus too
how much training goes into hoping the batsman thinks the ball is dead ???? how many hours in the nets did that take ???? is that what you call entertainment and a challenge between bat and ball ???. i don't watch cricket for that...
The fact that Bairstow tried the same thing with Marnus in the previous innings baffles me.
Did you watch Stokes' answer when asked about it at his press conference? Totally laughable response!
Marnus was batting out of his crease, attempting to take lbw out of the game. This makes it incomparable. Bairstow still made a pretty dumb error though.
@@hillbilly3772 marnus was not batting out of his crease - watch the footage again. His back foot is in his crease, he literally just stood there and watched the ball fly past the stumps
This is by far the clearest and most accurate summary that I've seen or heard.
Thank you!
Completely agree, excellent video
Really don't get why people have an issue with this, he didn't stay in his crease, got stumped, he's out. Its like at the other end people crying because their batsmen can't cheat and run early
You calling the comments of Stokes and McCullum a smokescreen was so spot on for me, Bazball was supposed to wipe the Aussies away like a smear and return the Ashes to England in a blaze of glory. The hype was built up into an absolute frenzy to the point where neither the team, nor the English public can accept the simple truth: your team just isn’t as good as ours is and hasn’t been for a long time.
Bazball was always going to fail against well prepared teams.
That's an English problem in every sports since many years and that's why 1/ they don't win titles 2/ they're judged arrogant by every one
If Australia are so wonderful why did they use sandpaper to alter the condition of the ball in a test?
@@jacobburtonswfc such a gentlemen sport. I didn't knew much about cricket but now everyone is pointing the cheating of everyone and as I said ... such a gentlemen sport
@@ryanmueck832 Only 5 years ago with two of the cheats still playing
It is tragic that such a good game is overshadowed by these complaints. So many legends of the game have already come out and said Bairstow dropped the ball and should have known better. You're probably right that this is just a tactic by the English to get their fans and team fired up to do better than they have been so far.
The clip is from Yorkshire vs. Nottingham in a County Championship match in 2014; the batsman was Samit Patel.
Very good summary.
And thank you for pointing out the disgraceful comments of Bairstow, Stokes and McCullum (I'd add Broad) which were certainly not in the spirit of the game.
Is anyone taking the English side in this 'debate' seriously suggesting that if Alex Carey and fumbled the ball and Ben Stokes had called Jonny Bairstow through for a run, that Jonny would have declined and politely informed Ben that as far as he was concerned the ball was dead! Of course not.
Haha
That’s such a good point, yet to see anyone bring that up. Its only in the spirit of the game if it affects the batting side and the English.
@@michelleobama3362 no it isn't, just because they messed up doesn't mean they don't then get punished for it
😂😂😂
Thanks for the great wrap up. I would of liked to hear your first edit
One point of the incedent that doesn't get mentioned is that when the stumps are hit, greene is only about a foot away from Bairstow, halfway down the pitch, I could understand if he was grabbing his hat back from the ump, but it just shows how fast Bairstow left his crease.
Also it's bewildering that Bairstow didn't look back to see where the ball had gone at anytime.
What if Carey had of fumbled the ball?
He could have missed potential byes.
Buy the Brits a rule book each. They need to stop embarrassing themselves. As for McCullum, no one is going to ask him for a beer.
The MCC should sign up for a subscription too.
Was looking forward to your take on this. Great upload.
1981 Eng-India test, Kris Srikanth on his debut was run out by Embury in a similar fashion to Bairstow. English captain did not recall Srikanth. Where was the spirit of the game then? When convenient you call the "spirit of the game", rest of the time the spirit goes into hiding. 😂
loved that clip at the end
THE best explanation I have seen for this ridiculous imbroglio. Thank you.
Bairstow doesn't even look back to see if the ball was taken cleanly, showing 0 game awareness...he deserved to be out
I can’t stop laughing every time I see Renshaw appealing to an invisible umpire at square leg
I think Johnny thought it was him that decides when the ball is dead. He also believed it was him that decides when it is end of the over. All he needs to do is scratch at his crease. He didnt even look back. He just took off. Carey threw it before he had even walked out of his crease. He managed to achieve what Bairstow tried to do, but couldnt.
It is a fairly common thing in lower grade cricket, and many keepers attempt the stumping at test level...it just does not often work at test level because the batsmen have been around long enough to know better. It was a terrific piece of wicket keeping. Too much silly emotion took over. Carey has had a v v good series so far. Bairstow has been awful.
If that ball hit the stumps and went to the boundary, they would take the 4 runs 100%, and the crowd would have been very happy.
@thatsbollox Good summary; well thought out and written. As I maintain,, no controversy here.
English ex-cricketer here. Bairstow was 100% out. Well spotted by the keeper. As a batsman it's drilled into you to check where the ball is before leaving your crease. Bairstow made a schoolboy error and failed to do this.
That clip at the end.. Chef's kiss lol
By calling into question of the spirit of the game, Stokes and McCallum violated it.
He's put into question Cummin's captaincy by not withdrawing the appeal. That's not in the spirit of their game. They should accept all decisions made by the umpires and congratulate their opponents on their success.
I agree that the dismissal was within the rules but it was poor by Cummins. It is sporting to congratulate the winning team but you can’t congratulate that particular moment
I got out stumped when playing indoor cricket for leaving my crease due to me missing my shot and being frustrated with myself for playing a poor shot. My instant reaction when stumped was "that can't be right," but when I had a second or two to think about it, I knew I was out.
I have never left my crease again in the same manner and realise it is my responsibility as a batter to be aware of my position in the crease at all times.
McCullum was on the NZ SEN cricket show and was asked about the 'beers' comment. To paraphrase, he basically said that he knew it would play well in the English media and more or less laughed it off as that. I think they're just using it as a tool to try to get the crowds onside. They should be pissed off at Bairstow for making a mistake usually only 10yr olds make and then learn their lesson. Also, the 'Spirit of Cricket' is clearly defined in the preamble to the laws. It states that the umpires authority is to be respected. No more, no less.
looks bad now, considering our media here in Aus blew up that story recently about the English team refusing to have drinks with the Aus boys at the end of the Oval test last week. I liked McCullum as a batsman when he was playing, but he shot himself in the foot with that comment. Didnt he take 10yrs to apologise for that Murali runout he did? Maybe Carey/Cummins will backtrack on the stumping in 2033 sometime haha.
Excellent description and analysis. Thank you for providing a well-balanced perspective, based on solid research and a well-written report.
Excellent content and exlained very well. I like the "Smokescreen" piece and agree that you maybe right, to move the focus of the media away from the poor England performance. Well done, and shame on MCC behaviour, appaulling spirit of cricket.
Absolutely nailed it.
Tounge was fantastic in his debut Ashes test. Almost unplayable for those few devastating overs.
What a great addition, especially with Broad and Anderson looking fairly creaky in the joints.
Can we talk about Pat Cummin's double wicket over, with arguably the best ball of the series to Brook?
Starc's return to the side adding some heat to the attack?
Lyon batting with a series ending calf injury?
Stokes's innings nearly won the match, and without another top order batter at the other end, had to carry the run chase himself.
Warner and Smith are still in the Australian side, and it's taken me a while to be ok with that as an Australian.
But this team feels like the most "fair" team we've had in a years.
I think a lot of people have lost a lot of respect for Brendan McCullum after this. I know I have.
He never had my respect. He's been riding a high horse for decades. Typical narcissist.
took him 10yrs to apologise for the Murali run-out. Maybe in 2033, we'll hear Carey backtrack on the stumping haha. English media are such hypocrites.
Showed my 11 year old this, he's played for 5 years, and he instantly says out! Also we're from NZ so don't have a foot in either camp. Peace
The “spirit of the game” is effectively the etiquette of the game, or the unspoken rules, built around concepts of fair competition. It definitely exists. You see it in players that walk or don’t when they’re clearly out and how their reputations are affected. Run outs by bowlers and batsmen handling the ball are other examples of it. The etiquette to this style of stumping is clearly on display by all teams as being acceptable. The only two times it hasn’t been is this match and when England were in the West Indies. The reason those two matches stand out as exceptions were because of an emotionally charged home crowd. But this breaches a worse rule, an unequal set of rules based on where a match is played and how invested the fans are. Different rules for home sides is a worse breach of any “spirit of cricket”. So, there’s no question this stumping is in the rules, it’s then arguable if there’s such a thing as etiquette but I believe there is. The last is whether the etiquette is conducted consistently, and all the evidence points to this being an acceptable form of dismissal in most cases attempted by all teams, the only exceptions to it being when passionate home crowds come into play. So essentially, arguing for an exception to the rule on the basis of home team passion by crying “spirit of the game” is itself against the “spirit of the game”
Of course Australia aren't immune to going against the spirit of the game. That underarm delivery by Trev Chappel was an absolute disgrace and the Kiwis still aren't over it over 40 years later and I don't really blame them. Within the laws of the game, yes. But, that's only because ODI cricket was pretty new at the time and they probably never foresaw something like this happening.
This incident though is completely different. Carey had every right to do what he did against a batsman who was brain-dead.
I'm Australian btw
Layed it out straight. Well done. I thought the spirit of the game was accepting the umpires call and getting on with the game.
It’s useful to watch the previous few overs of Bairstow leaving his crease early without checking behind him. Bairstow as a WK should know better. In fact he does, as he tried the same thing in the same game. Carey is just the far better keeper.
Professional cricketer at the highest level and at a critical time in a tight moment of a gripping match makes a schoolboy error and cries - loudly - that "it isn't fair". Please, just stop.
Every word of this - every single word! - is spot on. Great vid.
Question... should the incident at 0:40 not have been ruled a no-ball? The ball had not yet been bowled and was not in play, and the bowler had stepped over the crease before dislodging the bails.
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Ball is dead
@silverrahul Quite right - dead ball is what I should have said 👍👍
Surely it's in the spirit of cricket to protect your wicket, it's something you can control. So something personal like Stokes was talking about. So was Bairstow acting in the spirit of cricket? You can go on with this sort of stuff. Great video mate.
wouldn't it be 'sporting' for Duckett to walk after being caught by Starc ? - it was not dropped, it was in the field of play and was from a legal delivery.
really loving your stuff mate, thanks for another great video
And how England have managed to divert the attention from bazball and 0-2 scoreline is just magnificent
It seems to me Bairstow did not leave the crease thinking the umpire had called 'over' or the ball as presumed dead.
He had the habit of walking down the pitch to pad-down the spot of the last delivery. To do that he has to keep a mental image of the impact point. This image fades quickly, so he trots off soon as he can.
When he was stumped, he trotted off without taking care if the ball was actually alive. In the video you can see Bairstow's eyes are fixed on the area of the last delivery and mindlessly walks toward it. Carey (or others) had previously observed Bairstow's habit.
Bairstow lost situational awareness. He did not really know where the ball actually was (he assumed he knew), didn't know what Carey was doing (assumed he knew), and wasn't really sure what he himself was doing (in thinking a foot scrape behind the crease is enough to make the ball dead). He was preoccupied with tapping down the impact point on the pitch. It was one of the intermittent lapses in concentration he has.
Got out in a similar fashion as a 15 yo playing my 1st year of senior cricket...was embarrassed at MY mistake and never did it again.
Hands down the best analysis of the incident on the Internet.. well done mate, cheers!
Nice video, this helps to clear things up for many people who are confused with the bairstow wicket.
McCollum knows he is 3 games from being out of a job
As an Aussie (albeit not born yet during this incident) I don't agree with people who blindly say there are no laws banning an action meaning it's fair as that underarm delivery by Trevor Chappel was an absolute disgrace and took advantage of a hole in laws of the game that shockingly never foresaw this happening. That absolutely was against the spirit of the game and Greg Chappel should be ashamed of himself ordering of all people his brother to do such a disgraceful act. Would you excuse killing someone if murder wasn't illegal?
Having said that I think this dismissal isn't at all comparable. This isn't taking advantage of a hole in the laws of the game. It was taking advantage of a stupid batsman who got what he was asking for.
I also see the mankad as fair. If the runner wants to get a Headstart then they take that risk.
@silverrahul do you think the citizens of England under Henry VIII thought that it was ok to behead all those people just because he's a king? I doubt it very much
Great video. Thank you. Summed up all the key points perfectly (although I am Aussie so definitely some bias). Can't wait for the 3rd test, should be very spicy!
You don't need to be an Aussie to see the utter hypocrisy of all this. He's out just like thousands of others who have done EXACTLY the same thing. And as someones else said here, where's the controversy? Move on, nothing to see here.
I am just curious if Carey missed the stump and ball went to boundary will england not accept the runs and then how the famous final world cup deflection by strokes was taken.
Great video, well made and extremely well said.
Whats the difference between Bairstows wicket keeping (missed stumping of Travis Head) and Carey's stumping (successful) of Bairstow?
ACCURACY
The "spirit of the game" is surely learning, understanding and respecting the rules and accepting the umpires decision. England and Bairstow demonstrate none of this.
WE shed OUR tears as 8 year olds
In backyards and at school
To leave your ground say "wicket leave"
It's how WE learnt THEIR rule.
13:20 and its also the fact that they waited for years and years just for the opportunity to stand in such a prestigious position inside the long room, just to stuff it up by saying things that really didnt need to be said.
i can tell they waited years and years. They all old af... also grumpy too
The Spirit of Cricket - distilled with English tears and aged in vinegar barrels.
Is that how you justify Aussie’s long history of cheating to win?
@@jacksonconstantine5740 only 1 documented instance of cheating as far as I can recall. Unlike the English, of course, who have never used anything, such as mints, to tamper with the ball.
@silverrahul when? Bodyline? Everyone knows Australia are perpetual cheaters, it’s part of your DNA. Just accept it.
It’s not like he held the ball and waited for bairstow to walk out of his crease, like what bairstow has done in the past, he caught in and threw it as soon as he could. Englands excuse that the umpires moved was the umpires fault for not realising it was a stumping attempt. It would’ve been really disappointing if it was given not out because the umpires weren’t focused. England trying taking the moral high ground after bowling bouncers at Lyon who is struggling to stand because of a injury is disgraceful
I actually dont have a problem with mankanding. How else are you supposed to keep the non striker in their crease? The rules are written like that for a reason.
Your vids are so well made
Every team has done it but conveniently forget that when it happens to their team. If it's against the spirit of the game change the rule. Otherwise play til the ball is dead, if you get caught out it's only yourself to blame.
My opinion on the issue of "Mankanding" is that it is cheating for the batsman to advance before the ball is bowled, as that gives him a clear head start and thus an advantage in avoiding being run out . Run out margins are often in inches and therefore advancing before the ball is bowled is cheating. Therefore I cannot fathom why the bowler running out a batsman in this manner should be frowned upon. The bowler is legitimately running out a batsman who has tried to cheat.
Yep. Although according to the spirit of the game you're supposed to give a warning.
I would offer the view that the "spirit of cricket" is better served if the batter not cheat in the first place? Is there no onus on the batter to be mindful of :"the spirit of cricket"?
@@fedaed Great points
I completely agree with everything you said about it being in the laws of the game. He is daft to have left his crease before confirming it was over. However, a mankad is actually more legitimate in my eyes than that. Mankad happens when a batter is trying to jump the gun on getting a run in. Therefore giving an advantage. This was Bairstow in his crease, marking his line, clearly "settled", then walking to chat with his fellow batter. There is zero advantage to him leaving his crease "faster" here. I agree he was daft to do it, but it can't be argued it is a sly way to win. Same if England do it, but that clip you showed at the end of Bairstow stumping, was of a wicket keeper standing up to the wicket and stumping instantly, the batter hadn't "settled" from the shot. If Carey had been standing up or thrown it faster he would not have got him. The same argument applies to someone being "settled with the ball" when catching. Also people can disagree with the laws of the game. The anger is sparked more by this kind of video, than if you'd just left it alone.
As a lot of people have said, it is within the rules of the game. Even a previous England captain (Vaughn) has said that it was a 'brain fart' on Bairstow's part to leave the crease without looking at the keeper and 'getting the nod' that the over was over, if Carey had stumped him after giving the nod, then it would have been against the spirit of the game. Given that Bairstow had attempted to do the same thing in the same match (and had done the same thing in another match and when asked about it said it was withing the rules so it was ok) then I don't think that the England team can use the 'spirit of cricket' defense in any way for this, as they have done (or attempted to do) the same thing themselves, I think that Bairsow (and the rest of the team) should take Baistow's own advice from 2014. Interestingly the MCC has disciplined the members involved in the altercation in the long room. And dare anyone mention bodyline?
I just realized that carry throwing tha ball before Johnny crossed his line and ball hits the stumps afterwards
Thank you, I was sure it was a stumping and not a run out and you clarified that beautifully.
The other so called controversy was the start catch and again all quedos to the umpires. Start during the action of catching the ball clearly grounded therefore it was deemed dropped.
The umpires should be congratulated as they correctly called both situations.
Carey’s catching of the ball and the stumping were carried out in a single motion. The over couldn’t possibly have been called at an end. The ball was live, the stumping was brilliant and Bairstow learnt a lesson. I doubt that we’ll be talking about this in years to come (if we are we’ve got Bugger all to talk about). Once this Ashes series is over it will be quickly forgotten, but coaches everywhere will drill players to stay in the crease until the ball is dead.
Does anyone know the exact law for Mankad? Some say it has to be 'before' the delivery stride, some say after. Also is the delivery stride the step of the front foot to the crease line? Or the next step after that? No one seems to know.
The batsman shouldn't be out of the crease before the ball is supposed to be bowled. That means, if the bowler has completed half of his bowling action, he/she can't run out the runner. The difference between Ashwin's runout and Australian bowlers runout was that the Australian spinner had almost rotated his shoulder and was at the point of release, whereas Ashwin had even begun his rotation of the shoulders. The Australian bowler deceived the runner, whereas Ashwin didn't because you're not supposed to be out of your crease before the bowling action started.
@sectokia1909
Mankad: if the non striker is out of the crease any time up until the ball is normally released by the bowler, he can be run out.
Dumping that silly custom is a good thing. The non striker needs to stay in their crease just like the batsman or risk getting out.
Those of us who have played many years of cricket also have had the pleasure?? of having to umpire quite a few games also and one thing was always clear; when an umpire called out quite loudly "over". When this occurs there can be no doubt that the ball is then dead and the batsmen are free to tend their garden, make small talk or engage in some other mental outlet all they like. It seems the ICC and their umpires rarely seem to do this nowadays so are they then contributing to the murky waters which is easily put to bed if this simple act is followed? I have also had a keeper throw down the stumps of a batsmen that overbalanced and stepped out of his crease and foolishly never stepped back in when the keeper was 15 yards (ok 5 yards as I was never that quick) away and have it deemed a stumping as the form of dismissal. Clever work by the keeper no doubt and no argument from the opposition nor the batsmen. It happens...move on...next game please. Leave the hystrionics behind and learn from your mistakes. I was still finding new ways to be dismissed or "never befores" after 30 years of playing the game.
IF Stokes wouldn't want to win a game that way, WTF is Bairstow doing trying to get Labuschagne out in precisely the same way, in the same test 😱
... pure, unadulterated bull💩 and sour🍇
Very fair assessment mate
The last bit of footage was absolutely brilliant.
Nailed it well done. Great evidence and well thought out explanations. Subbed!
I can't remember how Bairstow was described by the commentary team, but I'm pretty sure it was something along the lines of sloppy.
And I'm in complete agreement!
He's a professional sportsman and should know the rule book. The opportunity presented itself and the Ozzie's took it. Fair play! I'm convinced England would have done exactly the same given the situation and have little room rattle on about "being in the spirit of the game" when the only ones who appear to be taking liberties with it are some of the fans and in particular the MCC members who heckled them on the teams return to the pavilion.
Going to be an exciting 3 remaining matches of the series, but any mention of this being a "potential turning point" will be bollocks!
This is like malcolm fraser being caught with his pants down
ha ha ha, a lot of people would not know what you are talking about, but still funny never the less.
McCullum promoted this style of play as a player /coach for Brisbane in the T20 format….good to watch but needed balance to be consistently winning…as a Queenslander I soon got sick of the bravado that caused us to lose too often…
What we really need to see to calm everyone down is a game winning, walk off Mankading for England in the third test
I wanna see the English bowlers continue to bounce the Aussies, and on an occasion an Aussie handles the ball…
The English go up and appeal and the crowd rise as one for a dismissal…
Then the batsman says ‘nah, I was protecting myself from injury’… keep his wicket and go on to score a glorious ton.
that game could of ended up being one of the greatest test matches of all time . the whole country might have stopped what they where doing and turning on the tv at 6 pm to watch a truly inspirational moment in the history of english cricket...but no because the batsman thought the ball was dead he was justifiably given a warning...ALL WE WANT IS ENTERTAINMENT.....
"What we are now starting to see is what the team looks like when it begins to suffer a couple of defeats in a row" - Actually its what we have ALWAYS seen with the English team. It's just the culture of that national team, always has been.
100% agree!
Theres no difference between a spin or pace bowler.. if you leave your crease your going to get stumped
I presume the whole 'Spirit of the game' argument is premised on the belief that Bairstow thought the ball was dead and therefore the Australians shouldn't have appealed? Allow me to counter.
If you watch the replay you'll notice that Bairstow does not look back ONCE after the ball passes the bat. For all Bairstow knew, the ball could very well have been halfway to the boundary for byes and very much alive. That alone makes the whole 'he thought it was dead' argument invalid. He assumed the ball was dead, and we all know what assumption is...
Mitchell Stark’s non-catch was against the spirit of the game because he obviously caught it and never dropped it or even lost control.
There is a very important life lesson in understanding that you are really only ever responsible for your own actions. Specifically for Jonny Bairstow, he should be putting his hand up and apologising for allowing the situation to happen in the first place. Remember, you won't learn from a mistake if you don't admit you made it.
I would love to ses a 2nd test review about the brilliant innings of Smith and storks ❤❤
Good points made.
Given England are only 2 draws/1 loss out of 3 tests away from losing the Ashes at home, of course they'll make the stumping the biggest talking point for the next few days Or even weeks.
Also, McCullum, Bairstow, Broad and even Stokes should reflect on their own actions which violate so called spirit of cricket.
To a certain degree I agree, when one side is doing it doesnt necessarily justify us doing it. Wicket keeper could give him a warning first and then go from there. Bairstow wasnt trying to gain an advantage.
@daniello9155 alot of stumpings off of spinners aren't trying to get an advantage, they're usually trying to get back😅, stumpings off seamers should definitely be fine too
how much training goes into hoping the batsman thinks the ball is dead ???? how many hours in the nets did that take ???? is that what you call entertainment and a challenge between bat and ball ???. i don't watch cricket for that...
@@marcuslowe2164 different circumstances, part of the wicket keepers job is stumping during the play/miss of the ball, this was close enough to being a dead ball. yes it was legal.
@@marcuslowe2164 Correct but that action is during the play, Bairstow was just going for a wander
As much as the mankad is not really “in the spirit of cricket” I don’t think the non striker being two or three steps down the pitch by the time the ball leaves the bowlers hand is either so I don’t see the problem with it. Just like this incident, stay in your crease and there won’t be a problem
he didnt even give the umpires a chance to call the over. He took it upon himself and they try to say its against the spirit of the game. SMH
The clip at the end is all that needed to be uploaded 😂😂😂
Bairstow started the game carrying off a protester, ended the game walking off in protest.
Best analysis I've seen mate