Australia's controversial stumping of Jonny Bairstow, a breakdown
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“But fuck off, pay attention” has been the greatest analysis of this dismissal since it occurred. Great work Jomboy.
In baseball one time, something unfortunate happened to a team on which Larry Bowa was a coach. The manager asked if there was a valid complaint to be made, and Bowa said no. You have to pay attention!
Makes me wish I'd played cricket with the man. He'd have been great!
The fact that Jomboy got a salty comment out of Piers Morgan about “why Americans should always sit out cricket chat” when they’re crying about getting hit with the uno reverse is funny to me
Piers is just doing his darn best to stay relevant.
That and the fact that Jomboy's analysis is way better than the so called 'cricket tragic' Piers Morgan.
It's ironic that a brit who makes his money commentating on American politics would say that. What a jackass
Piers needs to stay quiet. Jomboy has done his research on this. As an Aussie and a long time cricket player and enjoyer of the game he is on point here.
for Piers, staying out of other's people's business is the uno reverse
Ten minutes of Jomboy understanding cricket like a native, without teaching me a single rule.
You're not supposed to know the rules of cricket; that's the point. It's more baseball than baseball that way, and this is exactly what makes it so wonderful. You're literally going to enjoy it less once you know what's happening.
He doesn't understand it at all.
*NOT. EVEN. REMOTELY. CLOSE.*
@@CinemaDemocratica Congratulations on making the most idiotic comment on TH-cam.
@@philsurtees ^ I kindly doubt it, but whatevvs.
@@philsurtees, there is no worse gate keeper like a righteous cricket fan.
If Piers Morgan says you're doing something wrong, you're probably doing something right.
Great breakdown as always!
It's good to hear piers whingeing about something else than Prince Harry and Megan Merkel 😂😂
Seeing that tweet pop up on screen, in one breath I said “no fucking way that’s so cool, Piers Morgan shut fuck up”
Ah, Piers. Just another of the loud members of the "Rules Only Apply to Other People" crew.
Hope Jomboy asked if, as an American, he was allowed to cover Arsenal bottling the league.
@@imightbebiased9311 😂😂😂😂
I just want to know what tf Morgan has to do with cricket. How this insufferable twat manages to insert himself in to everything is infuriating.
As an Aussie, I have seen this situation analysed hundreds of times over the past week. This is the best breakdown of it.
I was confused but now I am good.
The only thing he missed was that the English need to dry their eyes.
Agree!
Why do Australians always do this? 🤣
And yet still missing the point and getting details wrong. Marnus WAS out of his crease, watch where his feet were when Bairstow caught the ball, and where they were after he threw it.
The keeping up to the stumps deal doesn't take into account the fact that a leave is essentially a type of shot except where LBW or runs are concerned, and so a batter who hasn't completed a shot who leaves their ground in completing their shot is fair game and what the rules were there for.
Carey HAD stopped the ball, and had to stand up and change position to begin throwing so it was not remotely 1 motion, but despite that slips catches that are held for a fraction of the time Carey had that ball in his hands are deemed stopped and the ball deemed dead, so the whole, 1 motion argument has no merit.
And, the bowlers side umpire had already looked down to the hat clip to retrieve the bowlers hat, thus indicating he believed it to be over as well. And being that the bowler's side umpire is in full control of whether the ball is dead or not, that should have been where the story ended, not this whole debacle we have now......
Oh, and I'm Aussie too. I'm just more wiling to see other sides and find truth rather than try prove one side right or not. This was poor form from Carey and everyone knows it they just don't want to admit it....
"All Bairstow had to do... was not be a big dummy"
You've nailed it mate, excellent video
Just the like the unwritten rules of baseball, the spirit of the game in Cricket is only ever brought up by the losing team.
And specifically, it can not be against England at any point. If so, the whole club bringing it against them may, in fact, be a bunch of ninnies.
And it always seems to be England....
Correct. And it is out of place at the professional level. Play to the umpire, like every other professional sport on Earth.
This is why England never win any sports, because everyone else cheats
And this isn’t even against the “spirit of the game” it’s something that all wicket keepers do.
The world has truly gone mad when a yank gives the best explanation for an incident that occured in the Ashes! Brilliant video!
I think it took someone from a foreign country that doesn’t play the sport to make a balanced analysis because the beef is so deep between the two countries in question they would never come to an agreement. Fuck England btw.
Yeah he only missed/seemed to not understand batting out of the crease. The rest was spot on.
Yes, very well explained!
Apart from not understanding cricket at all it was fantastic.
That comparison to another event at around the 8 minute mark really clinches it. They're not mad that it happened. They're mad that it happened TO THEM. And they're unable to see the hypocrisy.
Meet the poms. That's how they operate.
Not to mention the fact that it completely escapes them that the only reason it happen to them was that they had been trying it against the Aussies for quite a while.
"But fuck off, pay attention" Truer words have never been spoken.
Yep Jomboy nailed it.
That's a t-shirt slogan right there!
at the end of the day, this is it. Yes you can argue the aussies didn't beat bairstow with the ball. But he is out, stone cold, no arguments, by the laws of the game. And all he had to do to prevent that was wait a moment and think.
Spoken like a true Aussie Jomboy!!
It sums up the situation perfectly!!! I also think it’s an ordinary way to get a wicket.. would much rather get them bowled or caught… but fk off, pay attention.. and ffs, stop whinging
What I find hilarious is someone who's quite new to the game does the best breakdown I've seen of the incident.
Fours&sixes did a really good breakdown of it. Quite a small newish channel dedicated to cricket which I discovered because of this incident
Yeah he’s done a great job on his research to highlight the hypocrisy of their outrage
💯
As an Aussie this is an amazing breakdown. Have always loved your baseball breakdowns (you can really learn something from watching them) but this goes into some great detail and you’ve obviously done your research! Plus pissing Piers Morgan off is an added bonus!
exciting
Can we just appreciate how quickly Jomboy is learning the game of cricket?
He grew up in Australia
@@Solveitall813 didn't know that. How long and how old was he. I only see a brief mention of it on Wikipedia
Only two years, from 8-10. Lindfield, NSW! Proud North Sydney Bear
@@JomboyMedia you must have gone back to America around the time the merger with Manly was happening? We all knew that wasn't gonna work
@@JomboyMediawow that's my team. There is talks that they will be the next team included in the nrl. But as a roving team,playing games in America and England. You should get behind it
As an Aussie, Jomboy is the reason I like baseball and so I love it when he covers Cricket. Great stuff mate!
100% agree!
Same same
Good on ya!
What team do you follow in baseball?
As an Australian who has watched the game for the past 25 years, I just want to say this is perfect.
As an American who knows nothing about cricket Australia is obviously in the right here…
The only part of this game that I understand/ understood was at the end when James said, "fuck off"... That's how I know he's spot on in this particular breakdown.
That's sad. Clearly 25 years isn't enough for you to have understand cricket properly. This was a disgrace.
@@benhaney9629 As an Australian who has been playing cricket for 50 years, Australia is obviously in the wrong here. I would never expect an American to understand that though - Americans cheat at anything and everything - but in cricket, as in life, just because you were within the letter of the law, that doesn't mean you were in the right. Bodyline, the underarm delivery against New Zealand, staying at the crease when you know you're out, this stumping, and plenty of other examples are all withing the rules, but they just aren't cricket, as the saying goes.
@@philsurtees agree to disagree.
Hilarious how “that’s very smart of Bairstow” changes to “it’s a disgrace to cricket” when it happens to the Poms 😂
Bunch of whingy whiny pricks man
Exactly. He was holding onto that for an eternity. That was the most bullshit decision in the history of the game imo.
The commentators I listened to said it was smart work by Carey.
Yep the Aussies like making things up to suit themselves
@@alopry11 I think you mean the english.....
The move by the [catcher] reminds me of the breakdown where the runner on 3rd stole home after the team noticed his extended time looking down before every pitch. This fielder saw a pattern and took advantage of it in a way that's well within the rules. It's cheeky, but it's keeping the batsman honest/on their toes.
The move by the [wicket keeper]. Great comparison also, very true.
Fucking A. We in America celebrate the greats like Ty Cobb and Jackie Robinson for plays just like this. We call it intelligence, gamesmanship, hustle… etc
@benhaney9629 "humbug, I say! There's no room for any of that hogwash in Cricket!"
-Piers Morgan, probably
with extra indignant jowl waggling, undoubtedly 😆
Similar but also not at all. Baird tow isn’t tryna get an advantage of any kind in this
Yeah exactly this. The final shot that shows he threw it before Bairstow actually left is the key to everything here. Bairstow repeatedly paying zero attention created an opportunity and the keeper took it.
My sense is that in a North American sports context the fans would be equally pissed about this BS out but they would direct their irritation at their own guy not the other team. "Why weren't you paying attention?!" Maybe that says something about the different sport cultures.
"all Bairstow had to do was not be big dummy" just sums it up like no one else 😭
"The Controversial Stumping of Johnny Bairstow" sounds like a novel from the 20s
Haha! Written by F. Scott Fitzgerald, where "stumping" has something to do with jazz or bootleg liquor or something.
It is the 20s....
Ball was in play - out of crease - out - simple. Carey saw the opportunity and took it. Great awareness and execution. Completely blown up by the English and the media.
The English are Bad Sports with No Class!
The ball was dead, simple as.
@@sonnyvarioni1654@sonnyvarioni1654 why? The ball touching the keepers gloves doesn't make it dead pr else stumpings wouldn't be a thing especially stumpings like 7:17
Denial won't change the umpires decision.
@@sonnyvarioni1654 even if you're firmly on England's side here there is absolutely no argument the ball is dead. The wicket was taken fairly and within the laws of the game. The ONLY possible argument here is that the aussies should have recalled their appeal since its also clear that they did not beat bairstow with the ball. If thats the hill you want to die on, I can understand that. Trying to argue this was a dead ball however, is absurd.
Everyone is saying Bairstow is not very bright, but I think he is a genius. He foresaw that he was going to be run out, so he started to walk.
Such an unappreciated comment 😂
He was technically stumped
@@guyskillen And a joke doesn't have to be technically correct, except in the minds of pedants who believe they're teaching me something.
Love it when Jomboy gets into cricket. He just comes across like such a genuine sports guy.
I’m English and I was annoyed when this happened, but I was only annoyed because Bairstow was so careless! The Australians were well within their rights to do what they did, and you can’t always rely on the spirit of cricket to save you when you’re not concentrating enough. Your comparisons to other incidents (especially the Bairstow / Patel wicket) are great examples too. I’ll have to show this video to my friends who still think that we were hard done by!
Piers Morgan is a douche but he's right in this instance; the two incidents are not the same.
Yes, the Bairstow/Patel incident is truely incredible, not only because the slow nature makes it significantly more against ‘the spirit of cricket’ but also because of how positive and supportive the commentary is of it. The layers of irony in this whole ‘controversy’ have been hilarious.
Love the part where Ben "Spirit of the game" Stokes, in test 3 touched the boundary rope while gathering up a ball, and just let it slide when it wasn't called a 4.
@@zeropoint546 your point is irrelevant, that was so close to when he threw the ball and his arm touched the boundary... Its the same as a batsman not walking when he gets the faintest nick and doesn't feel it. Case and point Smith in the same innings reviewing his out cause he didn't know he had touched it. Then it gets reviewed by third umpire and so he assumes if it had touched before he threw the ball they would have called it.
@@domwicketts2036 Smith doesn't have "Spirit of cricket" as his middle name.
“Fuck off, pay attention” is basically how I see this now. Well done mate, the 5 synced up videos is a fantastic bit of editing by you captured the whole event really well
The last shot with the synced up angles is what convinced me that this is totally fair game - thanks for this, wish more people would watch this.
The real question is, when did the umpire call "Over"? The five angles doesn't give you that, you need the audio too. The umpire shouldn't have called over by that stage, but if he had mistakenly called it early, it would not be fair game.
@@amireallythatgrumpy6508 Read up on Law 23 Laws of Cricket.
I've never seen your videos before and I'm Australian. So when I first started watching I thought "no way is an American going to explain this well". But, you completely nailed my thoughts exactly! 100%! Watching the English media coverage of this has been laughable!! Seriously, just stay in your crease Johnny! And Broad's hubris!! I'm not sure I've ever disliked another English Cricketer as much as him. Great vid!!
One thing I find laughable, is I think it was the 2013 Ashes. Broad edged it, got ruled not out and stayed. The Aussies wined that it was against the spirit of the game to take advantage of the umpires like that. And the same English media commentators who defended Broad then are now whining that Carey violated the spirit of the game.
I will say tho, I think the most convincing aspect for this was in Jomboys breakdown, something I missed watching it live (where I was more on the fence), was it was a fluid motion. Carey intended to try and stump Bairstow before he even caught the ball, and I think that puts it far more in line with the spirit of the game.
Yeah, great breakdown from Johhny. Definitely a great analysis of it.
Everyone knows Australia is full of criminals, liars, and thieves…
@@Trepur349 leave it to the english to be as hypocritical as possible
spot on mate , spot on , laziness full stop
He lived in Australia for a few years, which is why he loves cricket so much, even though he's American, he got deep into it when he was over there, and has only got more and more into cricket in the years since then, especially because cricket is getting bigger in general in America (cos they've got a whole professional cricket league now, called Major League Cricket, with teams with cool arse names like the LA Knight Riders; I've always loved the thing Americans do of naming each team with a cool nickname instead of being boring like us Europeans and just calling them things like "Atlanta Football Club" instead of the badass name Atlanta Falcons, and so on. It's not the new York baseball club, it's the new York YANKEES, and so on).
Anyway yeah Jomboy has a very sophisticated understanding of the unwritten complexities of cricket, the psychological battles that are constantly going on. He understands it better than any other brit I know, even more than myself. I've gone to many county cricket matches in my life, mostly Essex county cricket club matches cos my dad lives in Chelmsford. But anyway yeah, he's not just got a deep understanding of it for an American, he's got a deep understanding of it in general. Most brits don't understand it as well as Jomboy. He's just got a complex understanding of sports in general and a lot of these insights can he easily applied to different sports. Jomboy is technically a sports journalist, so it makes sense why he knows all of this stuff.
Mate, you are a legend in baseball commentary and now Im bloody impressed with your cricket breakdown of the stumping of Bairstow. Brilliant!
Cheers Mate!
As an American who’s recently gotten into cricket, no doubt in part to the coverage on this channel, I love to see the cricket breakdowns!
did you find cricket interesting and like it
Jomboy to do weekly reviews of upcoming Major League Cricket??
@@nishantsharma6779I enjoy cricket. The USA team is brutally bad but I still enjoyed the One Day International World Championship qualifiers. Watched almost every game.
@@Nick-xu7ns are you native American or any relation with test playing nation people
@@nishantsharma6779 no I’m born and raised boring white boy from the USA. I don’t mind test cricket. I just have a hard time finding it as exciting as ODI until the last day. I know a lot of people only like test though, so maybe one day I’ll get to that point too.
I apologise on behalf of England that you had to deal with Piers Morgan. I'm English and whenever I get reminded that he's still alive I feel absolute shame.
Had he done anything that you agree with? 🤔
always a good sign when Piers disagrees with you
Technically he is sort of Irish if you wanna disown him but let's not cause a diplomatic incident 🤣
Yes and no. I respected him for facing up to the consequences of his words when he faced Brett Lee in the nets. He showed a lot of courage.
Don't be upset about it, there's people from every country that their fellow citizens aren't proud of.
Impressive commentary on cricket from one of my favourite yanks. As an Australian I've learned more about baseball from watching your channel breakdowns than any other source.
Thanks to Jom Boy I am now ready to play cricket to my fullest baseball knowledge
Aussie here: whole controversy is a joke. This stuff happens every time in the ashes, if anybody is seriously upset then theyre an idiot
I am guessing you are cool with an mankad as well.... and also sandpaper?
@@BenKickert Mankad is legal dismissal so Mankad every day. Sandpaper is not the damn same and thats illegal.
@@BenKickert The sandpaper debacle led to the biggest bans Australia has ever given out but whatever
@@BenKickert are you cool with the non striker getting a Headstart on the running?
@@XaviRonaldo0 No I am not. Which is why a classy player will warn the non-striker or faint a mankad. If the runner keeps doing it (which they never do), then a mankad would be justified and well within the spirit of the game.
Don't let anyone tell you not to comment on cricket! You bring a completely fresh perspective to the games and incidents. Love your cricket videos!
Jomboy - you are a true talent in the way you talk through incidents across different sports. You are spot on with your assessment.
The funny thing is that when this happens at any level of the game, and the keeper misses the stumps, you often see the batsmen scampering through for a free overthrow run. They know damn well when the ball is dead or alive!
Right, there was no reason to think the ball was still live here.
@@jonescrusher1 Aside from Carey keeping it alive, sure
@@jonescrusher1 Another delusional pom. There's no reason to assume the ball is dead there, only Bairstow the numbnut did so.
Good point
@@THICCTHICCTHICC And how is it usually ascertained that a ball is dead or alive?
It’s exactly like stealing home on an inattentive pitcher.
Understand this Jomboy: NOBODY [sane] thinks there was anything wrong with this, it's a manufactured controversy, this is a normal thing that happens in any age band of cricket. The English team leaders have just cooked this crap up to motivate themselves and the tories in their crowds lol
You should make a video of all the "worst things" Broad has done lol
You can’t say nobody when I disagree. Umpire wasn’t even paying attention, shoulda been the end of the over.
Nah, I think the point is more the aussies were going to likely win the ashes anyway so it was all a bit of an unnecessary thing for them to do, they have given the English a gift here in PR terms
@@esard2011 nope
it's funny when I tuned into the game, the English broadcasters were mocking the situation and when Root or the other guys followed the procedure (look back at the keeper, wait for the ball to be dead, raise your hand before leaving the crease... you know the stuff you learn as a kid) and saying, that's how it's done. I was surprised, because English fans were crying all week long
What an amazing breakdown. Great research with the old video clips, and that five-angle comparison was legit.
As a cricket fan since birth and someone who’s watched your baseball videos too (residing in Canada), this is the best breakdown of the situation.
This is the type of dismissal that you would be laughed off for. I've been out very similarly while playing as a kid in India. I'm sure the sentiment is similar in Australia. Cricket demands absolute concentration and the refusal to give a single opportunity.
Exactly. I got out like this, precisely once. In primary school, 35 years ago, still haunts me. Never made the same mistake again.
yeah, under 11's are taught "STAY IN YOUR CREASE", but its too much to ask that from a professional with experience like bairstow
and that's why both Aus and India dominate cricket now. For all the crying from the Pom's the reality is they just don't try hard enough. They excuse their lazy attitude with the "spirit of the game" all Bairstow had to do was have the attitude expected of a professional cricketer anywhere else in the world.
It's a Test right? It measures not just the physical but the mental.
@@louiscypher4186and what's even funnier is when it's the poms that do it then it's "excellent wicketkeeping" from them and "lousy cricket"from the opponent. Lol 😂
Just through the little I've learned about cricket from Jomboy videos, it seems really bizarre to me that you put yourself in a position to be easily "out" when the ball is still live.
It's like getting upset if your baserunner stepped off of the base because they weren't paying attention and then they easily got tagged out or a catcher picking off a runner at first.
Cricket is more relaxed about the ball "going dead" because there are no baserunners, stolen bases, tag-ups or double plays. After each delivery you'll see the batters talking to each other and walking up and down. Obviously Bairstow was a little *too* relaxed...
Bairstow is known as a bit of a doofus and often does things that make people shake their head.
He's also a terrible keeper who dropped multiple catches yesterday on the first day of the third test. One in particular was an inexcusable drop at the level.
The exact same scenario as you mention happened in the Australia v Japan WBC game earlier this year..runner made second but momentarity changed feet on the base and was tagged out...
The idea of a "trick play" like in baseball with a hidden ball or a fake throw to get someone when they step off the bag is really "not cricket". The idea is that you beat the bat with the ball, youre supposed to beat the batsmans skill with skill and so taking a wicket in a "low skill" way where very clearly bairstow was not beaten by the ball is sometimes considered against the "spirit" of the game.
If bairstow had have been out of his crease to gain an advantage, i.e. better position to play the ball, or his momentum took him out of the crease. If him leaving the crease was "part of the shot" then there is no question hes been beaten. In this case he clearly wasn't. At the same time you are correct, he needs to have the presence of mind to wait for the ump to call over, or ask the ump to leave his crease to inspect the pitch.
It's a tough one really. I think that aus are both right to have taken this wicket, and also that its an unfortunate way to go on to win a match
@@PeekayIP Known as a but if a doofus? What are you talking about?
I got a taste of cricket when I was a kid, but really started following it more closely when I was traveling to India for work in the mid aughts. It's been awesome seeing you get into the sport and creating an indoor version of it. This breakdown is top notch!
This might be my favorite breakdown of all time. I knew this was coming, and it surpassed expectations. What an amazing month of cricket this is becoming.
An acid test you can apply is what would happen if the throw missed the stumps and there was an opportunity for runs/overthrows. In all cases shown the batsman would attempt to run.
Yeah baffles me, If Bairstow had even glanced back at the keeper then I would have the complete opinion it wasn’t right. The fact he didn’t even check to see where the ball was… says it all.
First time I’ve see an American analyze cricket. You did a great job, would love to see you cover more of the ashes
As an Aussie: terrific breakdown, covering all the angles, in particular showing the moment the ball leaves the keeper’s gloves (saw that no where else, but it was a thought that crossed my mind). Very competitive sport, with lots of mind games - showed Bairstow had a brain fade at that moment, and one day he will acknowledge it. Too proud for this moment, but it will come. 😂
I don't think it was a brain fade... questionable technique not looking at the ball, and an assumption that wiping your foot in the crease is enough for everyone else to consider the ball dead. If it was a one off, it's a brain fade... he was doing that over and over.
@@har234908234 He foolishly trusted the Aussies not to be complete and utter dicks. It was nothing like his attempted stumping of Labuschagne and I do not believe for a second that Carey thinks it was. Labuschagne had stepped out of his crease to play the ball and Bairstow was hoping he would lift his trailing foot. Bairstow was well in his crease, in control of his feet and from any practical point of view the play was over.
@@nerdyali4154 Did you even watch the video? There is no "they were dicks about it" that's bullshit, Bairstow's dismissal of Patel was far more egregious in this regard and no one went off at him about it. The simple fact is that if play is over as soon as the ball passes the batsmen then stumping a player out would not be a thing. Bairstow was stupid and presented his wicket to the Aussies on a platter, end of really. They are professionals and in any sport you play to the umpire's call not just "whenever I feel like it."
@@nerdyali4154 wahhhhhhh.
@@nerdyali4154 go read the Laws of Cricket to learn why you are wrong.
Aussie Here. This was a contentious issue cause England do sort have a case that getting someone out that way is a "little bit" of a dog act HOWEVER, it's fundamental and basically school boy level Cricket to stay in your crease. It's SO basic and fundamental that many players forget and are happy to just wander out of their crease between balls. The hilarious fallout from this was all the backlog of videos released showing the hypocrisy of the English players and Coach who said "they'd never do this kind of thing" Anyway its been a fun week and the 3rd Test is setting up as a cracker so far.
Yeah. Ben Stokes is a legend and that hasn't changed, but the interview after this made him sound like a sore loser. Other than that it's been a great series to watch!
This probably wouldn't have been as controversial if there hadn't been all the BS about the Mitchell Starc catch-non-catch the previous day. It then means tempers were fit to flare up. And of course Stuart Broad coming out and being very theatrical when he was already fired up didn't exactly help cooler heads prevail.
Although tbh I think England got closer to winning that game than they would have done had Bairstow still been there, because the way that Stokes fired up after that dismissal completely changed the way he was batting and I don't think England would have played that way while Bairstow and Stokes were still there, but I also don't think England were good enough to win the game regardless.
Jomboy:
Thank you for doing these cricket videos. As a life long baseball player, fan, and coach, it is an excellent experience learning about cricket...especially, about traditions and the unwritten codes.
Letter of the law; Spirit of the game...so cool.
Glad JOMBOY dropped this after a 14-1 loss by the Yankees to the Orioles. Just what I needed.
Dude piss off 😅
Orioles have a bloody good young team
As an Aussie cricket and baseball fan (Yankee fan too) I wholeheartedly agree.
Same, but as an O's fan it's just nice to have two great things come back-to-back :D
Aussie here. The thing that annoys me about this, and every time there's a Mankad, and everyone starts losing their mind, is that there's a 100% reliable, totally foolproof way for a batsman to avoid ever getting Out that way. STAY IN YOUR DAMN CREASE!
Aussies have no respect for the game. I bet you were cool with the sandpaper against the Proteas as well.
@@BenKickert oh ping off. That was cheating and they got their just punishment. This was not cheating
@@BenKickert meanwhile, 2005 ashes England openly admitted to ball tampering
@@XaviRonaldo0 I never said i was cheating. I said he aussies have no respect for the game.
@@BenKickert not cheating so what's your problem? Also, did Broad have respect for the game when he slogged it to slip and didn't walk?
Good for you! Actually a brilliant analysis of all sides and the hypocrisy of the more mainstream coverage. Cheers!
Aussie here. I’m now a diehard baseball fan because of JomBoy and could not appreciate more how much class he put into this breakdown. JomBoy the legend!!!!
Now here’s some classics to review for cricket in the years: Shane Warne ball of the century, Merv Hughes stretching with the MCG crowd, David Boon catching Warnes hatrick.
And a certain underarm ball?
I can’t believe jomboy has international appeal. If u want to go into a hobbit rabbit whole, look how he blew the whistle on a entire baseball team cheating for an entire yr who , look up “jomboy astros cheating scandal”. Totally fascinating
Man, this is a very well made video. The fact that Bairstow repeatedly left the crease in the previous overs and he himself decided that the overs were complete is a fair game for Carey to stump him out.
I think that's exactly what happened, the Aussies took note of his wandering off, and waited for the right moment and pounced - I love how the five angle shot proves they played the ball right back at the stumps knowing there was a fair chance they'd snag him out.
@@Meriphistimo Yes but some would say Carey should've given him a warning atleast, but then again this is an international game.
@@Preetvnda warning? You’re warned at the under 10’s level. This is not a mankad, you don’t need to warn a batsman that he’s about to be stumped.
@@MrPoogmanWhat's the problem with mankad. It's atleast better than this. There the non striker is ready to steal a run when the bowler is not even delivered the ball. Assume a non striker stealing that run in 2019 World Cup final or 1999 Aus vs SA semi final..That stolen run would be enough to win the World Cup. Mankad is more fair play than this one because you know the non striker is being over smart and clearly taking an advantage to steal a run. End of debate. Allan Donald was run out in 1999 semifinal because he didn't run. If he was running even before the ball was delivered then SA would have won the game easily.Thats 100% sure
@@MrPoogman bruh that's my point too, it's an international game so don't need a warning.
I love this so much. An American telling the English the rules of cricket, and he's 100% correct. Brilliant!
What's even crazier is that in the clip of England's coach McCullum running him out in 4:19, his captain Vettori is actually Australia's assistant coach right now. So there is drama between the two kiwis as well.
I bet McCullum didn't want him to withdraw the appeal too
@@XaviRonaldo0 McCullum is one of the most ruthless players ever so yeah
@@THICCTHICCTHICC peanut brained yeah
That incident was in response to the earlier Grant Elliott / Ryan Sidebottom incident. Kiwis were proving a point. They all knew the appeal would be withdrawn.
But it’s ok now for Callum, he made a speech to the MCC expressing remorse for stumping Murali, when he was celebrating a century.. if he could take it back he would have.. so that now gives him the right to criticise Cummins 😂
I remember in my junior cricket days having my dad, who was both the coach and umpire of our team, telling our wicket keeper to "throw down the stumps" (attempt a run out like Carey did) during an over change. He had seen a batter doing similar to what Bairstow was doing and wanted a cheap wicket. Needless to say the kid left a ball and strolled out of his crease with out a care of what was happening behind him. Our keeper took the ball, hesitated half a second before realising what he had be told to do, cocked his arm and threw the ball at the stumps. Being a 12 year old who didn't have a lot of practice with throwing with gloves he missed by a good 2m. After that the batter never left his crease against us. My dad is English and would have cried foul if it had happened to us but he sure didn't have any issue exploiting 'the spirit of the game' when it gave his team an advantage.
That was great , thorough , detailed , researched and the independent bluntness that perhaps being American brings .
This is a phenomenal break down of the events and a fair representation of the silliness of it all. Great video
As an aside, I would like to thank you for all this Cricket coverage you've been running lately. It feels like a great game I've been missing out on, and your videos have led me to ultimately discover a club here Northern Chicagoland.
played both games in Australia and the one thing i know 110% , cricket balls are harder and hurt heaps more i reckon lol
This is the reality; if the sides were swapped, England would be celebrating.
This was 100% Out and there's nothing against the spirit of the game.
English motto on sportsmanship- “do as we say, not as we do”
The gaining an advantage part was actually in reference to Warner batting up to a meter out of his crease when the ball was bowled. He was doing this to reduce the distance the ball would have to swing and disturb the length of the bowler. It wasn't about gaining distance on a potential run.
Also, any advantage there is balanced by the fact he has even less time to react to the ball movement, line or length. If you're facing a quick, you don't have much time anyway, less than a second I believe.
It's not gaining advantage to stand out of your crease when batting, it's changing your technique to deal with the conditions presented. Same as taking a different guard, switch hitting or batting deeper in the crease.
@@sentimentalbloke185 He didn't do it to not gain an advantage. Cheers for the year later reply though!
@@andrewmclean834 there's no advantage to be gained or everyone would do it & gain an advantage. It's the same as changing your guard or your stance or your backswing, adjusting for the conditions.
How come an American can understand the incident and yet the Poms can't?
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I don't understand any of this but oddly still love the breakdowns..
All you need to know is
1. The Ashes are the most important international sporting event for Australia & England. (The Prime Minister is the second most important person in Australia behind the Australian Captain)
2. The English are the worst losers in a international Sport.
The one thing I have not heard is Baistow taking any accountability for his mistake. I am a keeper as well and gamesmanship is a skill all keepers learn. Also as a batsman, you need to be aware of what the ball is doing at all times
My thing is that if Alex Carey missed catching the ball and it went to the boundry, England would have happily pocketed the free 4 runs. Bairstow wasn't watching, that's his own fault for being complacent. I would also argue that the umpires may have been too complacent too which may have lead to Bairstow doing what he was did.
Exactly that is the reason it's always crucial for the ball to be called dead only after the keeper made his move.
There is implicit and explicit calling of 'over' - explicit, is the actually calling out 'over', implicit is the body language of everyone concerned, the umpires looking/ walking away, Johnny marking his crease and walking up to garden and chat, obviously not trying to gain an advantage...unlike the Mankad, in which the non striking batsman is trying to gain an advantage by backing up, but even here to take a wicket with a Mankad is considered against the spirit of the game, at least without warning the batsman first beforehand. It's like the time the batsman was given out for handling the ball, when having played the delivery and trapped the ball near his feat he picked the ball up and threw it to the nearest fielder, to save time. Technically 'out' for handling the ball, but was the ball dead at the time it was picked up? In any case, to answer your question, if the wicket keeper doesn't catch the ball cleanly and it keeps moving then it is obviously still a live ball, and 4 byes will be added if it reaches the boundary. The only argument would be as to whether the batsman had actually played shot, as if not then the ball would be considered dead and the byes would not then be added.
@@forestgump99That's a too biased subjective explanation. The Sambit Patel wicket in this video suggests that he didn't take any advantage either. How Bairstow and English commentary hailed it. The only difference here is Carrey was at a distance. But atleast he instantly thrown the ball unlike Bairstow. Bairstow scratching wickets can't be considered as the " ball dead". Umpires need to call over. My point is what if Carrey didn't catch the ball. It will roll to boundary and England will get 4 runs. Bairstow scratching his crease didn't make the ball dead in that scenario and umpires will Signal 4. Bairstow was living in a parallel world that time. That's why the look on his face like " oh my god I am screwed" when the ball hits the stumps . Because he himself tried the same before and knew he was out. 😅
@@forestgump99Why Bairstow was silent all along. Because he knows he is not a saint and stumped other batters like that . 😂
With the Patel stumping, the batsman's weight was still forward, he hadn't technically completed the stroke because of this, so the stumping was fair. If the batsman's weight had returned backwards such that he was standing in a balanced manner then the argument would be different.
I think every Australia loved this stumping and how salty the POMS got. One of my favourite plays in cricket I’ve watched. Soo good.
Even in Under 11 Cricket, coaches are very strict about staying your crease and protecting your stumps when the ball is in play. That is just basics of Cricket.
6:22 Here's a thing the dude in the interview talks about, both Labuschange and Warner were standing out of their crease, but this is an extremely common thing to do for overseas batters in England. Because the cricket ball swings, seams basically hoops around a lot- to negate that, batters stand outside of their crease. Obviously they do all of this taking into account the disadvantages of doing so, being stumped like Johnny, the ball feels faster because you have less time to react and you might not have a good sense of where your stumps are.
My favorite bit…the wicketkeeper that was so smart and the English commentators praised for his great work is Jonny Bairstow…the one and the same English batsman run out by Carey!
Perfect explanation honestly.
Bairstow himself has never said anything about it, which is proof enough that he knows he was wrong.
The only real controversy has come from British media. Even English commentators agree it was out.
Please continue being part of the cricket chat (I know you will 😊) Absolutely love these breakdown even if I'm just a silly Quebecer from the wrong side of the ocean...
Good job breaking it down mate.
It's fired up the poms...setting up an awesome 4th test.
This is exactly what I needed right now. An American getting right in the middle of it! Love the breakdown. Great vid!
Genuinely the best analysis I have seen of this situation. I have spent a lot of time, probably too much time, watching different takes of this situation since as an aussie it gives me a wonderful feeling inside watching the english complain, this take however put everything perfectly with 0 bias. Love it
Great breakdown! I’ve been loving the Ashes this year.. proud Australian who loves his test cricket.. this is the ASHES! This is the OLDEST AND LONGEST sporting rivalry in history! Over a hundred years! Pat Cummins is a freaking unreal Captain there’s no way anyone would have reversed their decision.. both the Aussie and English Prime Ministers talked about it a rugby team celebrated a try last night with a parody! whinging poms! Spirit of the game my bum.. as an American you are welcome to talk cricket that was fantastic hope you enjoyed working on this vid mate you really broke it down proper there maté thoroughly enjoyed it above everything else I’ve watched on the controversy brilliant thank you you’ve totally earned my subscription with this vid.. thank you Sir! ❤ from Australia 🇦🇺
Phenomenal work putting this together
The ball was not dead, the umpires did not declare a dead ball which meant that the batter can still be stumped.
Same way that the umpires in baseball call time after a batter arrives at the plate.
England did the same thing to their opponents in the past so now the Poms are crying foul 🤣 sooks.
Not a dead ball, wicket keeper was in his rights, and batsman was not thinking.
What’s very interesting about this is that in American sports culture it’s pretty much excepted that you do whatever you can within the rules to get an advantage. If this kind of situation happened in an American sport the controversy would probably be more if you didn’t take advantage of the situation. You’d probably be accused of not doing everything you can to win.
Kind of, there is still definitely a "spirit of the game" culture in America. But we seem to follow the "don't hate the player, hate the game" motto a lot more. If a player is doing something against the spirit of the game, it sucks for their first opponent, but they definitely get free reign to continue to do it until the league changes the rules.
Americans hate flopping though.
In both Futbol and Basketball…
@@janitorizamped a guy throwing a beamer due to personal grudges can get permanently suspended and can jeapordise the whole team, especially the captain and the coach. I guess that's why people are so chill, imagine having an umpire like Bucknor and still not rioting.
@@someonejustsomeone1469 ?
Excepted 😂
You should have a look at some of the ICC World Cup qualifier games that have gone on recently. The Dutch knocked out the West Indies through a 30 run super over, and then last night they knocked out the Scots in a high scoring thriller.
Great video. Only suggestion for us North American viewers would have been to explain the rule being debated from the beginning of the video. I'm still not quiet sure what the actual rule is and when he is allowed to walk away from his batting area. Thanks again for all the great cricket breakdowns.
The rule in question is, is the ball in play or a "dead ball" (not in play/the sort of dead space between balls). Put simply the rule says - the ball is dead the moment everyone stops playing, so in this case the batsman had stoped playing, but the wicketkeeper (catcher) kept playing - meaning the ball was not dead, and bairstow was out.
Cricket has a sort of appendix to the rules which is "the spirit of cricket" (some of witch is written down, and some of which is a kinda vague idea of how to behave) which is a sort of conduct code to discourage bad sportsmanship in the game -because of this there are a few ways that you can get a batter out that are quite unusual - basically anything that is a bit clever/cheeky is frowned upon.
So with this debate it is definitely out according to the rules, but people are arguing weather it was bad sportsmanship or not.
@@azazaz999990question then… if the English think this is bad sportsmanship..why is what he did when the one dudes foot was barely off the ground not bad sportsmanship? It seems like he got a win off something clever and now he got a loss off someone else being clever and he and his whole country are being pissy about it even though when he did something similar he was celebrated? Seems kinda whiny to me.
I know how most people think classic sportsmanship is dumb at least here in America, but what separates this from that discussion is that when you live by the sword you die by the sword. Can’t complain if you’re doing the same thing
Cricket has long been a gentleman's game... compare to their football. There's definitely sportsmanship in American sports but it's different... subtle - even in baseball where they can't shake hands!
@@har234908234look who's playing cricket. It's not a gentlemen's game.
From an Aussie - well done Jomboy. Your cricket knowledge is good. Also enjoy your baseball comments and humour.
GOOD ON YOU JOMBOY for calling these whinging poms out, great video mate.
One of the best analyses from one of crickets great moments. Normally this type of dismissal would just be accepted, but the reaction from English Cricket has made this a great moment!
I usually NEVER comment on these things.. As an Aussie, this is perfectly summed up! 2-0 Australia baby xx
I was on the fence with where I stand with this stumping but now I am all team Carrey 🎉😂
This was the most perfect breakdown of the incident - I only wish you'd snuck in a short clip of Ben Stokes "missing an opportunity" to return the un-earned extra runs in the 2019 Cricket World Cup final, which allowed them to win it!
Withdrawing an appeal is long established. I have never seen runs given back, and I think everyone felt on the field thought that the overthrow runs were correctly applied at the time.
@@RatzaChewy Relax mate, it's a joke. But while we're on the topic, I've seen appeals both being dropped and not being dropped. Doesn't change the fact that this is out by the law, and the spirit of the game is far too subjective to even be talked about in this day and age of competitive cricket at the highest level.
@@arvindhmani06 yes but with Australias recent history, getting cheap wickets just makes them even more of a pantomime villain
That's one of the quirky/silly laws of cricket tbat I believe should be changed. Once the fielder's return hits a batsman (or the wickets), it should be considered dead. The only exception being if the batsman was not attempting to take a run.
@@AdmiralHistoryDon't think so. I am an Indian. I know English cricket history from 1932 bodyline tactics to Paul Collingwood refusal to withdraw an appeal after Ryan sidebottom collided with Grant Elliott which resulted in his fall and runout in 2008. And Bairstow trying to do the same with sambit Patel and Marnus in the same match. English people even said it's in the rules when they won a world cup based on technical rules ( boundary count). They only cry about spirit of cricket when they are at the receiving end of it. So I support Australia 100% in this issue.
Really appreciate you making it palatable for baseball fans! Love learning more about cricket
Jomboy! I love this! Cricket needs more American accents! Have always loved your breakdowns for baseball and now we get the ashes too! Highlight of my week! Keep up the great work buddy
Jomboy dunking on Piers Morgan on the 4th of July 🇺🇸🦅🇺🇸🦅🇺🇸u love to see it
Normally what happens in this team sport is that your batting partner looks up the pitch for both opportunities to score or risks and threats. Shared onus here, both Bairstow and Stokes.
Another thing to remember is that here in Europe, the English are notoriously horrifically bad losers. There is always a “Maradona handball” “Simeone kick” “ronaldo wink” “Verstappen safety car” that they HYPER focus on afterwards. Ignoring that the biggest flopping cheating player in European football is England captain. That isn’t quite so heavily analysed after each game. Gives the world someone to root against tho 🤷♂️
JB you really went DEEEEP with these grainy highlights! Love it!!
First time I've ever heard an American talk about cricket and not sound utterly ridiculous. Good job.
I'm American and the way I understand what happened was the wicket got sticky and a player got the quidditch defended against a Quaffle?
every kid in australia has played some version of cricket. and the one rule we all knew was guard your crease.didn’t matter if you were 7 or 70.
Love this cricket coverage Jomboy, especially with the ashes on and as exciting and close as it is at the moment.
Another good example of this situation is MS Dhoni running out Ian Bell in 2011 - all the players incorrectly assumed the ball was dead.
Can we get a breakdown of Stokes’ subsequent innings after this stumping occurred and the absolute carnage that ensued?
Mate, brilliant break down. Have a look at Broad's edge to first slip over 10 years ago and how they got Marnus out on his Ashes Debut. They're a big lot for upholding the spirit. There's plenty more little snippets through the history of cricket where the Poms aren't walking the same walk as the 'spirit'.