Focus people saying NO to division. We have been divided long enough.. Use your vote to prosper in 2024, JOBS bring CASH to your pocket😮 Busses Trains Hospitals No skin colour classification Professional Police Growing Economy A united SA wins! 😅
2/3 majority will change the constitution MK is the game changer right now before polls in the space of 2 months MK has 8.7m registered MK members and we are busy canvassing.. no independence of WC in our soul.
Now we know what they do not stand for. I like discussion debate and democracy. That is why i think actionsa is on the wrong track here. Lets have a referendum
@@andrieslouw3811 My bro. A referendum would only work if the government, along with every other province, allows the Western Cape to leave. Just think for a second how unlikely that is. Also, do you realize that such a move would only make the anc and eff more powerful? They would frame this as a huwyte pipo trying to take land from the majority. Many of the natives here are already on the fence about supporting parties like the DA. A move like this would only shift them further to the anc and eff.
@@andrieslouw3811 If you don't like South Africa, you'd have a better chance of just moving to Australia. It's like South Africa without any if the problems.
The democratic process of a referendum would enable the people of the Western Cape to decide what is best for them. They don’t need politicians to decide their destiny.
@@JaphtaKhoza-hq9um It`s not for you to decide wise-ass ! Shows us you know nothing about a democracy and don`t care about the rights of others. You just want your way regardless. Selfish !
I'm for cape independence : The western cape cannot continue the to run successfully with the influx of the entire South Africa, and illegal immigrant crises. Cape Town has a unique cultural position, The highest domographic of coloured people, which are primarily found in Western Cape. Land reclamation in Cape Town is obstructed through national government intervention. Historically, the Cape was a colony on its own. Historically, Cape Town at points had more slaves than slave owners. Right now, land grabs, foreign labor and homelessness, service delivery, domestic home problems, are some of the issues to tackle as a priority as an independent state. The western cape also doesn't have the municipal or service delivery problems as in arrears as other provinces, Which is already hard in maintaining, better so done in isolation
@@nedor64 actionSA has the same power as a second language high school debate team. They won one classroom debate now they ready to be principle of the school
Historically Western Cape was part of a continent of Africa… Colonialism change that the same way democracy rectified that.. you cannot hold on to the history that oppressed other people. You are only pointing out the concerns of many south africans… western cape belongs to Republic of South Africa not just the select few that live in it.. it is one of the Strategic economic zones for the country… one of the entry ports of the country… illegal immigrants are a problem in every province trust me Limpopo, Mpumalanga and Gauteng may have it worse… The country has suffered enough segregation we need to stand up as one to build this maturing country… we have only 30 years of disappointing democracy we should learn from the past 30 years and insist on qualified leaders to lead the country… I admit the past 25 years those who were voting we doing so with the memory of the country’s past but now we have a new generation that does not know the dark past or experienced it rather. All they know is the disappointments from the current government, i am sure they will change the current political status.
@@tshidisokele3672 "you cannot hold on to the history that oppressed other people" Who wants to do that and by means of what? "western cape belongs to Republic of South Africa not just the select few that live in it" True but the republic of South Africa neglect the those who live in the WC so they have a right like all other South Africans to decide upon their own future and not leave it to an incompetent ANC/EFF/MK regime. As stated in the SA Constitution art 235. "The country has suffered enough segregation we need to stand up as one to build this maturing country…" The country is now suffering because of racial integration, illegal immigrants, etc and we all know what happened in Groblersdal just a few weeks ago. Orania is a huge success while the rest of SA suffers so why adopt a policy or a lifestyle that is not working? Tribalism is the answer, people want something to be proud on, you can't be proud on something that don't belong to you, be realistic. "All they know is the disappointments from the current government, i am sure they will change the current political status" So you do acknowledge the current regime is a failure, well let me burst your bubble the next regime will be exactly the same.
Facts...If they dont to be part of the rest of us, let them go back to where they came from. Europe has enough land for them...they seem to forget that this is Africa not Europe, and no children of Europeans are gonna come and divide land.
We are United. Unity is Power 💪. We don’t believe in separation, we believe in unity. Those Who want Independence,,, Hello, listen, All South African patriot people will put day dreams into the grave. Those who want independence, they are the enemy of South Africa of South African people. All South African young generation will stand against these enemy. 🇿🇦 We are United 💪 🇿🇦Unity is Power 💪
Get real - after thirty years, the country has & will continue to be destroyed - Africa is & has always been Tribal - just looks north & even Zuma has suggest that KwaZulu-Natal should become independent for the Zulu & now even have their own party. Malema has stated more than once that Africa is for Africans & Coloureds, Indians & Whites must leave the country! Wake up to REALITY -- Why does the Government continue to supply poor education? Because the poorly educated are easier to manipulate!
...and all the time before 1910 the Cape was seperate. It can and will be seperate again because 58% of the citizens of the Western Cape wants it and our constitutions allows selfdetermination.. Go read it if you don`t believe me
Yes to become the power house of Africa but since 1994 where are we now? - a failed state & virtually bankrupt! Instead of working & learning together, we they have simply reversed racism!
We want to get south sfrica working for all south sfricans, we don want a european colony in Africa. Those that want a european colony, should go to europe and they will get their enclave there for a country. They have a lot of such countries as small as a soccer field in europe coz they don vslue co-existance and being a nation. We value our togetherness, thats why we never had borders in africa before the colonizers came.
Where do you live Phumudzo? You don`t have a say what we do here in the Western Cape, we will not interfere with you in your province either. This is a democratic country, remember? Or supposed to be.. The majority of citizens here wants to secede from South Africa (58%). Why should we stay under a government we never elected? The ANC has never had a majority here. For example, if the Zulu`s always won the elections in Natal, why should they be ruled by another party/tribe/people? Why not let them rule themselves?
@@wouterkabouter102 The Western cape doesn't belong to you it's a province within South Africa, so it belongs to South Africa that's why you don't need permission from someone who lives in Gauteng to relocate there. Just be honest you guys want to live in Africa just without Africans.
@@SpotonwithTP-qz6wq Not at all, we want to live in a country where people are colourblind for a change, where no-one feels sidelined or silenced. Don`t you want that too?
@@wouterkabouter102 Thats the problem right there like it or not your forefathers created colorism and it's here to stay, I for one am proud of being black what I want is for the wrongs that were done to my fellow black people to be corrected, than we can live together with mutual respect of our differences and not act like we don't see color to this day black people still suffer, because what we got in 94 was political freedom and that makes our freedom incomplete, rich white families control politics in South Africa to this day. You cannot steal from someone and then turn around and say let's live together in Peace while you have corrected your wrongs which your entire race continues to benefit from to this day. Your race never wanted to live in peace without seeing any color when they first came here they stole and did unspeakable things because they thought they were superior some still think like that, and black people try to get along with you guys but the minute they move closer you guys move away just like this whole Cape independence thing most of the white people there relocated from all the other 8 provinces because they just don't what to live with Africans, the audacity you guys have do you think black people in Europe would ever ask for an independent state in Europe. Our country is a mess but will clean it up one day if you guys don't like and don't want to help clean it up you are more than welcome to leave.
Im gonna be here and ill teach my kids and there kids to not be rasist like most whites and blacks. Instead to love one another based on there actions and not there skin colour.
@@wahwah7701 Imagine if we stopped sending our high-grade coal to EU? South Africans are coming back to SA because there is nothing special about the EU or USA. Yes, you can work for higher wages but if you grew up in SA you know the potential of our country, we just need the right leadership mix.
@@biko8229 Exactly. Maximum Industrialization and the government being the anchor and driver in implimanting that act is key for the economy to not only flourish but in also becoming a global super power. South Africa should be a socialist state similar to China in there internal and international policies.
@thulasnkosi9641 no i love that guy and i dont want to see him get tbagged by Ramaposa for the next 5 years. God bless you all and may he have mercy for us all.
The will of white minority in the western cape is not the will of South Africans. Western Cape is not a State, it's a province. If you don't like the bylaws of this country, you are welcome to settle in a country that have bylaws of separation.
@@ATM-512 its not about the will of south africans, it's the will of the western cape. i'm coloured and in my community there's massive support for cape independence.
Viva Action SA that's true well sad we can't allow division in South Africa, if u are not happy go overseas we are 1 people same with same blood thank you Action SA for defending democracy
Politicians are so afraid that something might work, then they will no longer be needed. They have to keep everyone divided, so that they can live on tax money for ever.
The best solution is the federal system of governance where each province make their own laws. Currently the provincial legislature is a waste of time and money as they have no power
The Multi Party Charter is doomed, If they are bickering over such small matters. Every vote is needed. I agree that we are one country and should stay as it is and be in support of each other , sort out all the issues over the next 4 years ,then you can start fighting and separate yourselves
WHy are discussions to steal, a portion of the country not treated as terorrism? The fact that this is even discussed in the news as some option is crazy to me.
I live in Delft western cape😢... To hell with this Cape Independence😢... They want to make this beautiful African place Western like.... Hell no... I rather vote for PA
Just have a vote, if the people in WC and KZN wants to leave let them, State has failled its now about suvival, break SA up as it didnt work out as people wanted. Let the anc voters go stay in a anc run failed state. 2024 anything is posible.
Look to S.A. constitution. It provides for a referendum on independence. 68% of the WC want a referendum. Whether we like it or not, the people of the WC have a democratic right to a referendum vote.
@@MusehanaHGood question. Most of the country was never given any referendum or survey or any sort regarding this topic. And if they do finally decided to make an official referendum, the people of South Africa will make it blatantly clear that there will never again be any instance of land being stolen from South Africans to start a new country. If they want to start a new country, they can purchase Robben island and start a country there.
So how can you receive good governance from a ruling party (ANC) that has and is mess up South Africa big time. The Western Cape is on the road to success and so my opinion is that we must separate from this disastrous ANC led government
I'm not sure if Australia is still taking in disgruntled white South Africans but you are more than welcome to check. If not you get 1 vote use it wisely.
Well said Michael !! So happy you're part of the multi party charter. The cape Ceceeding from the rest of SA is cowardly and undermines all our forefathers that fought and died in wars to make this country a unity. No charter has been put out how things will be run or function. Pie in the sky!!
You need to invite the DA on here for a right to reply on the claims made as an independent platform. You paint the Cape Independence movement as a white / privileged (DA) driven movement by the people living "on a particular side of the mountain". The reality, as shown by poling, is that the majority of the support for Cape Independence is in the coloured community - the biggest demographic (42%) in the Western Cape.
But you were quite about Cape independence during apartheid when it benefitted a few. Because if the premise of Cape Independence is bad governance,why was this not initiated during apartheid? So the few who benefitted then have nostalgia for the past.
Funny how some parties preach democracy, but deny a referendum. A referendum is the very essence of a democracy. A vote by the people on an issue. Perhaps they are afraid of what people will vote for.
Cape independence is inherently racist masquerading as a push democracy. If white South Africans truly cared about Cape independence, they would have fought for it before 1994, but they didn't because they were beneficiaries. The apartheid was a bad government, but there was no push for Cape Independence. Where was the wish for self-determination?
Sorry, this explanation by ActionSA is not a sufficient argument against having a referendum on secession. Mr Beaumont simply parrots the tired old narrative of "unity" but never explains what that means exactly, apart from finding it "offensive". Referendums are a signature tool of a mature democracy; the fact that post-94 SA has never actually had one speaks volumes already, but to then also claim that some vague notion of 'unity' is anathema to even holding referendums in the first place is more than a little bit suspicious. ActionSA's motives here seem dodgy.
I say go back to Europe instead of trying to take our land for yourself. I know y'all have even come up with new fake history about natives to further this plan. But cancel all that. It will only happen over the dead bodies of over a billion Africans here in our motherland.
You are either a liar or an ignorant person. Referendums are not the signature mark of a mature democracy. That is why no mature democracies rule by referendums, but by a constitution, not by majority rule but by constitutional rule. You are deluded. Take a democracy such as the USA, when was their last referendum, do you know? They haven't had one for far longer than SA. You should not let your selfish interests drive our beloved country SA into civil war, where our children will have to fight each other just because you're selfish.
the difference is we want independence, the DA doesn`t want the Western Cape citizens to have their will become a reality because it clashes with their agenda to win the country
Yes I quite agree but we are quite happy with the DA Governance in the Western Cape and we don't want the likes of Gayton Governing any Ward in the Cape look what he did to knysna left it Bankrupt and Beuford West a dumping ground
We are a majority in this land, all we have to do is simply start relocating to Cape town. If many african people occupy the Cape 😂 they’re last corner they can run to is Orania
Typical generalizations that the cape is white or afrikaans. By large majority western cape is coloured, built by coloureds, that's why its survived the way it has. Voetsek terug land toe naiers
Typical generalizations that the cape is white or afrikaans. By large majority western cape is coloured, built by coloureds, that's why its survived the way it has. Voetsek terug land toe naiers
You are not the majority in the Western Cape, that`s why you don`t have a say here. Be rasist in your own province, we prefer to be non-racial here in the Western Cape.
@@Pure_Boxing You like to complicate things. Yourself can voetsek from South Africa if you are not happy. You are not chained to Table Montain. The comment is absolutely correct that any resident of the republic can move there to Western Cape and take part in any vote that regards the republic.
ANC and EFF coalition government, which will be two thirds majority. Then restructure the 9 provinces into 4 provinces. Combine Eastern, Western and Northern Cape as one province. That will give the middle finger to this Cape Independence joke
Why now, though? Why didn't they fight for this self-determination during apartheid which was a bad government. Because if their premise for self-determination is bad governance, then they should have asked for it way before 1994. But because the Cape independence movement is essentially white, they were okay with the bad government of the National party.
I would like to know how the PA feels about a Volkstaat? This was agreed to at Codesa and would, like an independent Western Cape, create a separate independent state within the borders of the current SA. The Volkstaat idea has been dormant for many years but seems to be getting increasingly more traction as more and more people are becoming aware of the so called “Afrikaner Akkoord” that was signed by the ANC, NP and VF days before the elections in 1994.
We never voted for the present Nasional Government in WC. Constitution says we may have a referendum about independence. Get your facts right before talking about segregation
I have had enough of the nothing go getters. We aren't voting for DA because there saints, we are voting for DA because they are much better then the ANC. When DA wins im gonna laugh at you. Because it's gonna feel so good when you reap all the benefits after all your bickering over the DA. God Bless you.
@@MoreThanRuan Yes, and it's not like they're building the school with government money. By the way the land has been bought, we're just waiting for the municipality to give us the proper documents so that we can build the school. Let the municipality give us all the necessary approvals, we'll build that school before we go to conference in December.
@@MoreThanRuan. They were not promising people like you. We understand the enormous work they have done over the past 5 years. You should be more worried about why can't the DA, ActionSA, BOSA, FF+, IFP, build a school with their own money??
Absolute rubbish. The Western Cape is incredibly diverse, and that alone leaves this argument baseless. We want to retain our diversity, embrace all colours and cultures, but cut ourselves off from the unfortunately poorly governed rest of the country. The people of the Western Cape only want what is best for ourselves and our families. Just like everyone else. We want South Africa as a whole to thrive, but because people keep voting for ANC, other parties have been powerless to stop them. If there was a better party that had a chance of winning the elections, had the people's interest at heart and decentralised government, we would not mind being a part of that at all. These people who are anti-independence are fighting it because they don't want their potential "piece of the cake" to be eaten and are greedy because they have national ambitions and WC independence will affect that.
VF+ are just pandering for DA votes by even entertaining this. And buy the way they are a fringe party which advocate for white interest just like the referendum party. Cape independence is a non starter because if bad governance is the premise for independence, why didn't they push for it during apartheid? Conveniently there was no cape independence talk when the national party was brutalising blacks.
Not a fan of ActionSA but I agree with them on this one. There are some people who still think that they will have a European enclave in Africa. That will not happen!
Imagine 16 year old me in 1976,throwing stones,eyes burning of teargas, burning tyres,standing with my people,altho they sometym very unaccepting of coloureds,but i love them anyhow...now that gal,now an old woman,vote for Cape Independence apartheid in a different style😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 you got to be JOKING.
Is your community experiencing sewage issues such as experienced in Strandfontein, Cape Town? The test results will expose the level of contamination and the risks involved for humans and our precious environment. This has been ignored for decades, and we want to know from the City of Cape Town and the Mayor, what they will do to prevent this from continuing?
It's constitutionally offensive not unconstitutional, so that's a matter of feelings not law within the constitution. Secondly it's not segregation based on race, it's segregation based on morals and principal's, where governance is done with competence and ethics. Thirdly if the ship is going to sink because there is no pulling back from this then get on a life raft, I would rather be on a life raft than be "brave" but dead.
Really now, you the type to leave your family when times are tough but wants to laugh with them when times are good, sounds like a lack of morals and ethics to me
Here is an idea why not leave South Africa and go to place that's more preferable to you and those who feel like you after all one of the founders if not the only founder is originally from the UK. South Africa is not yours to divide this will never happen forget about it.
Very convenient comment. Sadly most influential cape townians look at this with a lot of anxiety because their market for goods and services extends beyong Western Cape and logocally they could loose 70% of their business and wealth. I also wonder what your views are on social justice.
Love your third point, we can literally help you build an arc and wave you off the land. If you don't like it here, you can sail off to another country. western cape belongs to every South African, and we will not allow this lunacy of Cape Independence!
I would firstly like to point out that the DA does not and will never Advocate such an eletist and utter ludicrous idea our beutifull Cape Town becoming an indipendant State we should unite and rally support amongst the many people in South Africa that did not vote the chairpetson of Action SA has a very good point and knows what hes talking about but the eay forward as he has mentioned is to vote the ANC out of Power over all of South Africa in all proveces
@@Pure_Boxing please man I have lived in Cape Town my entire life so I know what I'm talking about were you around in the Apartheid Era NO did you ever smoke in a Gangsters Kraal No did you ever know anybody that is a Gangster No don't insult my intelligence
Let Zuma and his MK party get Kwa-Zulu Natal to secede, and then he can be president for life there. This propaganda of Cape Independence being based on segregation is absolute nonsense. The rest of SA is just terrified of losing their cash cow.
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DA will regret the day they entertained this colonialists of a referendum party when they dip below 50%
Dream on if you think the DA won't get the Majority just remember they do not stand alone we are the Multi Party Charter
DA all the Way
SA wont last another 10 years.
I can respect Action SA stance on this, well articulated by Michael 💚🖤
As a black south African I will say you have a sound mind.
Perfect by the Action SA Chair.
Props to ActionSA on this one
Focus people saying NO to division. We have been divided long enough..
Use your vote to prosper in 2024,
JOBS bring CASH to your pocket😮
Busses
Trains
Hospitals
No skin colour classification
Professional Police
Growing Economy
A united SA wins! 😅
We DO NOT WANT CAPE INDEPENDENCE, we want good governance in the whole of South Africa!!
Preach!!
2/3 majority will change the constitution MK is the game changer right now before polls in the space of 2 months MK has 8.7m registered MK members and we are busy canvassing.. no independence of WC in our soul.
You aren't from the western Cape though
Yes I am@@NgolaNalane
Unless you're from the Cape, it doesn't matter what you think or want. Cape Independence is coming - it's just a matter of time.
Free from ANC corruption
You use your Constitutionally given vote!...Or leave!
This is why i vote for Action SA.
Now we know what they do not stand for. I like discussion debate and democracy. That is why i think actionsa is on the wrong track here. Lets have a referendum
@@andrieslouw3811 My bro. A referendum would only work if the government, along with every other province, allows the Western Cape to leave.
Just think for a second how unlikely that is.
Also, do you realize that such a move would only make the anc and eff more powerful? They would frame this as a huwyte pipo trying to take land from the majority. Many of the natives here are already on the fence about supporting parties like the DA. A move like this would only shift them further to the anc and eff.
@@andrieslouw3811 If you don't like South Africa, you'd have a better chance of just moving to Australia. It's like South Africa without any if the problems.
Me too!
@@FictionHubZA haha, you are so informed hey. We LOVE the Western Cape, want Cape Indepencende and will not go to Australia.
The democratic process of a referendum would enable the people of the Western Cape to decide what is best for them. They don’t need politicians to decide their destiny.
Then they better move somewhere else cos western cape is a permanent part of South Africa and that will never change .. like it or Not
If only the people pushing this Cape independence joke were not Dutch settlers then maybe we would contemplate listening to the arguments.
You are mad! This is our country. They can voetsek to Europe then.
@@JaphtaKhoza-hq9um It`s not for you to decide wise-ass ! Shows us you know nothing about a democracy and don`t care about the rights of others. You just want your way regardless. Selfish !
@@marabunya Newsflash for you : it`s people of ALL races who supports Cape Independence. We are not rasist like you
I'm for cape independence :
The western cape cannot continue the to run successfully with the influx of the entire South Africa, and illegal immigrant crises.
Cape Town has a unique cultural position,
The highest domographic of coloured people, which are primarily found in Western Cape.
Land reclamation in Cape Town is obstructed through national government intervention.
Historically, the Cape was a colony on its own.
Historically, Cape Town at points had more slaves than slave owners.
Right now, land grabs, foreign labor and homelessness, service delivery, domestic home problems, are some of the issues to tackle as a priority as an independent state.
The western cape also doesn't have the municipal or service delivery problems as in arrears as other provinces,
Which is already hard in maintaining, better so done in isolation
Creating an apartheid province is no solution.
ActionSA want to deny you the right to determine your own future.
@@nedor64 actionSA has the same power as a second language high school debate team.
They won one classroom debate now they ready to be principle of the school
Historically Western Cape was part of a continent of Africa… Colonialism change that the same way democracy rectified that.. you cannot hold on to the history that oppressed other people. You are only pointing out the concerns of many south africans… western cape belongs to Republic of South Africa not just the select few that live in it.. it is one of the Strategic economic zones for the country… one of the entry ports of the country… illegal immigrants are a problem in every province trust me Limpopo, Mpumalanga and Gauteng may have it worse… The country has suffered enough segregation we need to stand up as one to build this maturing country… we have only 30 years of disappointing democracy we should learn from the past 30 years and insist on qualified leaders to lead the country… I admit the past 25 years those who were voting we doing so with the memory of the country’s past but now we have a new generation that does not know the dark past or experienced it rather. All they know is the disappointments from the current government, i am sure they will change the current political status.
@@tshidisokele3672 "you cannot hold on to the history that oppressed other people" Who wants to do that and by means of what?
"western cape belongs to Republic of South Africa not just the select few that live in it" True but the republic of South Africa neglect the those who live in the WC so they have a right like all other South Africans to decide upon their own future and not leave it to an incompetent ANC/EFF/MK regime. As stated in the SA Constitution art 235.
"The country has suffered enough segregation we need to stand up as one to build this maturing country…" The country is now suffering because of racial integration, illegal immigrants, etc and we all know what happened in Groblersdal just a few weeks ago. Orania is a huge success while the rest of SA suffers so why adopt a policy or a lifestyle that is not working? Tribalism is the answer, people want something to be proud on, you can't be proud on something that don't belong to you, be realistic.
"All they know is the disappointments from the current government, i am sure they will change the current political status" So you do acknowledge the current regime is a failure, well let me burst your bubble the next regime will be exactly the same.
People who want Western Cape independence from the rest of South Africa, can always go and live in Orania
Exactly
🤣😂😂😂 thats funny lol
Lol, orania is still South African land. They should just go live in the Indian ocean far away from our shores.
😂😂😂
Facts...If they dont to be part of the rest of us, let them go back to where they came from. Europe has enough land for them...they seem to forget that this is Africa not Europe, and no children of Europeans are gonna come and divide land.
We are United.
Unity is Power 💪.
We don’t believe in separation, we believe in unity.
Those Who want Independence,,, Hello, listen, All South African patriot people will put day dreams into the grave.
Those who want independence, they are the enemy of South Africa of South African people. All South African young generation will stand against these enemy.
🇿🇦 We are United 💪
🇿🇦Unity is Power 💪
Get real - after thirty years, the country has & will continue to be destroyed - Africa is & has always been Tribal - just looks north & even Zuma has suggest that KwaZulu-Natal should become independent for the Zulu & now even have their own party. Malema has stated more than once that Africa is for Africans & Coloureds, Indians & Whites must leave the country! Wake up to REALITY -- Why does the Government continue to supply poor education? Because the poorly educated are easier to manipulate!
Well said ANTI CAPE INDEPENDANCE
Yes Nothing Pronounces Unity like BEE😂
Amen
My vote goes to Action SA!!!
Cape Colony, Natal Colony, Orange Free State & Transvaal colony. South Africa became a county in 1910
...and all the time before 1910 the Cape was seperate. It can and will be seperate again because 58% of the citizens of the Western Cape wants it and our constitutions allows selfdetermination.. Go read it if you don`t believe me
@@wouterkabouter102and before then, there were no borders in south Africa 🇿🇦.
Yes to become the power house of Africa but since 1994 where are we now? - a failed state & virtually bankrupt! Instead of working & learning together, we they have simply reversed racism!
ActionSA clear and resolute as always!
Action SA two timing chameleons - playing out before your eyes.
We want to get south sfrica working for all south sfricans, we don want a european colony in Africa. Those that want a european colony, should go to europe and they will get their enclave there for a country. They have a lot of such countries as small as a soccer field in europe coz they don vslue co-existance and being a nation. We value our togetherness, thats why we never had borders in africa before the colonizers came.
Where do you live Phumudzo? You don`t have a say what we do here in the Western Cape, we will not interfere with you in your province either. This is a democratic country, remember? Or supposed to be.. The majority of citizens here wants to secede from South Africa (58%). Why should we stay under a government we never elected? The ANC has never had a majority here. For example, if the Zulu`s always won the elections in Natal, why should they be ruled by another party/tribe/people? Why not let them rule themselves?
Exactly!!! Those that want division should go back home 🇪🇺
@@wouterkabouter102 The Western cape doesn't belong to you it's a province within South Africa, so it belongs to South Africa that's why you don't need permission from someone who lives in Gauteng to relocate there. Just be honest you guys want to live in Africa just without Africans.
@@SpotonwithTP-qz6wq Not at all, we want to live in a country where people are colourblind for a change, where no-one feels sidelined or silenced. Don`t you want that too?
@@wouterkabouter102 Thats the problem right there like it or not your forefathers created colorism and it's here to stay, I for one am proud of being black what I want is for the wrongs that were done to my fellow black people to be corrected, than we can live together with mutual respect of our differences and not act like we don't see color to this day black people still suffer, because what we got in 94 was political freedom and that makes our freedom incomplete, rich white families control politics in South Africa to this day. You cannot steal from someone and then turn around and say let's live together in Peace while you have corrected your wrongs which your entire race continues to benefit from to this day. Your race never wanted to live in peace without seeing any color when they first came here they stole and did unspeakable things because they thought they were superior some still think like that, and black people try to get along with you guys but the minute they move closer you guys move away just like this whole Cape independence thing most of the white people there relocated from all the other 8 provinces because they just don't what to live with Africans, the audacity you guys have do you think black people in Europe would ever ask for an independent state in Europe. Our country is a mess but will clean it up one day if you guys don't like and don't want to help clean it up you are more than welcome to leave.
Action SA might be a better alternative to the DA
It is, very progressive, I like their Universal Access to Higher Education Funding!
They don't play around. And I respect that.
They are and im voting for them.
I seriously don't see south africa lasting until 2050
Wishful thinking. I don't see EU lasting until 2050
It depends which angle you look at
Im gonna be here and ill teach my kids and there kids to not be rasist like most whites and blacks. Instead to love one another based on there actions and not there skin colour.
@@wahwah7701 Imagine if we stopped sending our high-grade coal to EU?
South Africans are coming back to SA because there is nothing special about the EU or USA. Yes, you can work for higher wages but if you grew up in SA you know the potential of our country, we just need the right leadership mix.
@@biko8229 Exactly. Maximum Industrialization and the government being the anchor and driver in implimanting that act is key for the economy to not only flourish but in also becoming a global super power. South Africa should be a socialist state similar to China in there internal and international policies.
DA is no different from Cape Independence. Their DNA is exactly the same.
Lies. Don't talk when you dont know.
😂😂😂😂 @mkpetrus9138 u touched a nerve😂😂😂
@@thulasnkosi9641 😆😆😆😆😆
True
@thulasnkosi9641 no i love that guy and i dont want to see him get tbagged by Ramaposa for the next 5 years. God bless you all and may he have mercy for us all.
ActionSA has my vote 🗳️
It's based on the will of the people of the western cape, not the views of Action SA
Which people exactly? Whites? Coloureds? Africans?
The will of white minority in the western cape is not the will of South Africans. Western Cape is not a State, it's a province. If you don't like the bylaws of this country, you are welcome to settle in a country that have bylaws of separation.
@@levikalombo1630 the western cape voter. not everything is race related my friend.
@@ATM-512 its not about the will of south africans, it's the will of the western cape. i'm coloured and in my community there's massive support for cape independence.
Everything in WC is race related...from top government positions to where people live to where money is spent.
We need SA independence from ANC
The only way is to dissolve the Anc and leave it on 15%
@@Missk1516 i agree! But i just our people won't vote for wrong ppl again
I will be voting for ActionSA. I cannot wait!
Viva Action SA that's true well sad we can't allow division in South Africa, if u are not happy go overseas we are 1 people same with same blood thank you Action SA for defending democracy
Politicians are so afraid that something might work, then they will no longer be needed. They have to keep everyone divided, so that they can live on tax money for ever.
MK will not entertain independence of WC
We will also not entertain MK nor the EFF/ANC.
neither will they have any say in the Western Cape
MK have no say in the matter
Well said Action SA
Action SA has just secured my vote
ACDP needs some love. They are Christian party with only good intentions for South Africa.
Same!
@@deonkriel1901same with action sa
Long live Action SA
We don't want Cape Independence.
No we want!
The best solution is the federal system of governance where each province make their own laws. Currently the provincial legislature is a waste of time and money as they have no power
😂 we know certain people want NATO in the cape, so no
That's what the West wants
@@dandyally9983 You nailed it😂🤣🤣
How about decisions on amunicipal level?
Perhaps everyone should make their own laws while at it. What's the point of government anyway.
The Multi Party Charter is doomed, If they are bickering over such small matters. Every vote is needed. I agree that we are one country and should stay as it is and be in support of each other , sort out all the issues over the next 4 years ,then you can start fighting and separate yourselves
WHy are discussions to steal, a portion of the country not treated as terorrism? The fact that this is even discussed in the news as some option is crazy to me.
Bro, you know who owns the media🤣🤣they are testing the temperature in the room. I wonder how MK and EFF feel about all of this hullabaloo.
This is literally an attempt at treason. And it should be treated as such.
@@biko8229MK has already stated the ground against this. No independence of Cape will happen in our soil
@@phumlamazibuko3003 Shocase. Abelungu esisbindi abanaso senziwa kukuba iANC yababela umhlaba kulaOrania, ngoku bafuna ipondo lonke. Umnika isandla athathe ingalo yonke, kanti akayazi ayifunayo😂
They want chaos 😂😂 they know it will never work and they don't care.
Thanks Action SA
I might just vote for ActionSA after this
RP has my vote, God bless The Cape of Good Hope, God bless our Freedom🙏💯
I live in Delft western cape😢... To hell with this Cape Independence😢... They want to make this beautiful African place Western like.... Hell no... I rather vote for PA
That's because you want to live in a dump. The rest of us want things to get better and not shit.
@@alcorza3567 Delft is a result of DA. The conditions there were manufactured by DA
@@alcorza3567 the rest of us who live in reality prefer to live amongst people of South Africa and not another EU, NATO colony
@@MotlokwaThwii DA and CI are cut from the same cloth
Why don't you go move and live in one of the ANC-screwup provinces... And then see how kak it is there. I guarantee it's far far worse.
Just have a vote, if the people in WC and KZN wants to leave let them, State has failled its now about suvival, break SA up as it didnt work out as people wanted. Let the anc voters go stay in a anc run failed state. 2024 anything is posible.
Or just go back to where it all began...Europe!
If you don't want to live in S.A you are more than welcome to leave a go to a state of your choosing or go ask Holland to give you a state.
@@SpotonwithTP-qz6wq jip there is always that one poepol
DA is a Western project 😂😂😂 Those are real Europeans and want to steal our land
Jy en die DA sal ewe skielik nadat die anc 2024 verkiesing gewen het skielik die die "Referendum Party" ondersteun.
Look to S.A. constitution. It provides for a referendum on independence. 68% of the WC want a referendum. Whether we like it or not, the people of the WC have a democratic right to a referendum vote.
How did they poll the WC to come to the 68%? I do not remember being asked. Is that 68% on which people?
Lol DA is gonna get below 50% because of this nonsense. That 68% comes nowhere else but your delusional imagination
in europe , you have that right not here.
Its a world view anywhere @sphesihlemashiane4519
@@MusehanaHGood question. Most of the country was never given any referendum or survey or any sort regarding this topic.
And if they do finally decided to make an official referendum, the people of South Africa will make it blatantly clear that there will never again be any instance of land being stolen from South Africans to start a new country.
If they want to start a new country, they can purchase Robben island and start a country there.
Action SA has a very reasonable programme!
So how can you receive good governance from a ruling party (ANC) that has and is mess up South Africa big time.
The Western Cape is on the road to success and so my opinion is that we must separate from this disastrous ANC led government
Best way to separate from a democratically elected party, is to simply leave the country and return home.
I'm not sure if Australia is still taking in disgruntled white South Africans but you are more than welcome to check. If not you get 1 vote use it wisely.
You have my national vote. Provincial vote is undecided yet
Well said Michael !! So happy you're part of the multi party charter. The cape Ceceeding from the rest of SA is cowardly and undermines all our forefathers that fought and died in wars to make this country a unity. No charter has been put out how things will be run or function. Pie in the sky!!
Let the people of the Western Cape decide their own future, it`s not up to you
You need to invite the DA on here for a right to reply on the claims made as an independent platform.
You paint the Cape Independence movement as a white / privileged (DA) driven movement by the people living "on a particular side of the mountain". The reality, as shown by poling, is that the majority of the support for Cape Independence is in the coloured community - the biggest demographic (42%) in the Western Cape.
We want independence
But you were quite about Cape independence during apartheid when it benefitted a few. Because if the premise of Cape Independence is bad governance,why was this not initiated during apartheid? So the few who benefitted then have nostalgia for the past.
Funny how some parties preach democracy, but deny a referendum. A referendum is the very essence of a democracy. A vote by the people on an issue. Perhaps they are afraid of what people will vote for.
Cape independence is inherently racist masquerading as a push democracy. If white South Africans truly cared about Cape independence, they would have fought for it before 1994, but they didn't because they were beneficiaries. The apartheid was a bad government, but there was no push for Cape Independence. Where was the wish for self-determination?
Sorry, this explanation by ActionSA is not a sufficient argument against having a referendum on secession. Mr Beaumont simply parrots the tired old narrative of "unity" but never explains what that means exactly, apart from finding it "offensive". Referendums are a signature tool of a mature democracy; the fact that post-94 SA has never actually had one speaks volumes already, but to then also claim that some vague notion of 'unity' is anathema to even holding referendums in the first place is more than a little bit suspicious. ActionSA's motives here seem dodgy.
I say go back to Europe instead of trying to take our land for yourself. I know y'all have even come up with new fake history about natives to further this plan. But cancel all that. It will only happen over the dead bodies of over a billion Africans here in our motherland.
You are either a liar or an ignorant person. Referendums are not the signature mark of a mature democracy. That is why no mature democracies rule by referendums, but by a constitution, not by majority rule but by constitutional rule. You are deluded.
Take a democracy such as the USA, when was their last referendum, do you know? They haven't had one for far longer than SA.
You should not let your selfish interests drive our beloved country SA into civil war, where our children will have to fight each other just because you're selfish.
Why are you asking action SA about western cape independence when they don’t want independence. You are talking to the wrong people.
Referendum Party is another DA lite project
mohau wa mpolaya..... you hit the nail on the head.
the difference is we want independence, the DA doesn`t want the Western Cape citizens to have their will become a reality because it clashes with their agenda to win the country
Great commentary: Is the DA listening?
No they don't need to listen
@@ChrisJackson-c3i Its a free country
Yes I quite agree but we are quite happy with the DA Governance in the Western Cape and we don't want the likes of Gayton Governing any Ward in the Cape look what he did to knysna left it Bankrupt and Beuford West a dumping ground
Referendum Party for a Free Independent non racial Western Cape (Cape of Good Hope)
We are a majority in this land, all we have to do is simply start relocating to Cape town. If many african people occupy the Cape 😂 they’re last corner they can run to is Orania
Typical generalizations that the cape is white or afrikaans. By large majority western cape is coloured, built by coloureds, that's why its survived the way it has.
Voetsek terug land toe naiers
Typical generalizations that the cape is white or afrikaans. By large majority western cape is coloured, built by coloureds, that's why its survived the way it has.
Voetsek terug land toe naiers
You are not the majority in the Western Cape, that`s why you don`t have a say here. Be rasist in your own province, we prefer to be non-racial here in the Western Cape.
@@Pure_Boxing You like to complicate things. Yourself can voetsek from South Africa if you are not happy. You are not chained to Table Montain. The comment is absolutely correct that any resident of the republic can move there to Western Cape and take part in any vote that regards the republic.
@@londanintshangase voetsek! I'm not going to politicize of educate you.
You, if not for Gauteng form part of the shit pot of the country.
Stay there
We need a reality where anc doesn't exist Action Sa all the way
This is not about elitism but about 67 percent of the population of the WC being marginalized by BBBEE.
ANC and EFF coalition government, which will be two thirds majority. Then restructure the 9 provinces into 4 provinces. Combine Eastern, Western and Northern Cape as one province. That will give the middle finger to this Cape Independence joke
One of the most stupid things I've ever heard. 2 worst parties that South Africa has ever seen.
Your party has already completely f up eastern cape
Will never happen - all the comrades out of a job
For the first time I agree with Michael, It might not be a bad idea to see a few guys from Action SA in parliament.
ActionSA is perfect party to govern the western Cape.
😂😅😂😂😂
Everybody has a right to self determination though 😊😊😊😊
Why now, though? Why didn't they fight for this self-determination during apartheid which was a bad government. Because if their premise for self-determination is bad governance, then they should have asked for it way before 1994. But because the Cape independence movement is essentially white, they were okay with the bad government of the National party.
Yes to cape independence!!!
I hope Action SA wins the Western Cape
Why must the WC be dragged down by the poor administration and corrupt governance endemic to the rest of SA?.
We are Different you Doos .... Different cultures different Values and we Cannot live next door to each other ... Even Shaka Zulu knew this !!!!
I would like to know how the PA feels about a Volkstaat?
This was agreed to at Codesa and would, like an independent Western Cape, create a separate independent state within the borders of the current SA.
The Volkstaat idea has been dormant for many years but seems to be getting increasingly more traction as more and more people are becoming aware of the so called “Afrikaner Akkoord” that was signed by the ANC, NP and VF days before the elections in 1994.
We never voted for the present Nasional Government in WC. Constitution says we may have a referendum about independence. Get your facts right before talking about segregation
Shame😂
You are South Africans you are led,if you go have a problem with SA you can always go to Europe, Australia.........
Action SA all the way the way they have my vote
political options; a sight for sore eyes. I've had enough of thr DA bickering and the ANC stealing...
I have had enough of the nothing go getters. We aren't voting for DA because there saints, we are voting for DA because they are much better then the ANC. When DA wins im gonna laugh at you. Because it's gonna feel so good when you reap all the benefits after all your bickering over the DA. God Bless you.
Have you ever voted for DA though
Self determination is not trying to take the land of God from the people of God.
This party is progressive❤
Cape independence will never happen, as long as the EFF is still alive. Vote EFF
The same EFF that never built that school they promised 5 years ago?
Never. They are rasists.
@@MoreThanRuan Yes, and it's not like they're building the school with government money. By the way the land has been bought, we're just waiting for the municipality to give us the proper documents so that we can build the school. Let the municipality give us all the necessary approvals, we'll build that school before we go to conference in December.
@@MoreThanRuan. They were not promising people like you. We understand the enormous work they have done over the past 5 years.
You should be more worried about why can't the DA, ActionSA, BOSA, FF+, IFP, build a school with their own money??
The EFF loves money, they can easily be bought!
Nothing but facts...
Action SA all the way!!!
Absolute rubbish. The Western Cape is incredibly diverse, and that alone leaves this argument baseless. We want to retain our diversity, embrace all colours and cultures, but cut ourselves off from the unfortunately poorly governed rest of the country.
The people of the Western Cape only want what is best for ourselves and our families. Just like everyone else. We want South Africa as a whole to thrive, but because people keep voting for ANC, other parties have been powerless to stop them.
If there was a better party that had a chance of winning the elections, had the people's interest at heart and decentralised government, we would not mind being a part of that at all.
These people who are anti-independence are fighting it because they don't want their potential "piece of the cake" to be eaten and are greedy because they have national ambitions and WC independence will affect that.
Facts!!!
He's fine with VF+ being part of the Multi-Party Charter? He knows that referendums are in the constitution right? (what a tool)
The fact is NO CAPE CESSATION. Full 🛑
VF+ are just pandering for DA votes by even entertaining this. And buy the way they are a fringe party which advocate for white interest just like the referendum party. Cape independence is a non starter because if bad governance is the premise for independence, why didn't they push for it during apartheid? Conveniently there was no cape independence talk when the national party was brutalising blacks.
United States of South Africa
Not a fan of ActionSA but I agree with them on this one. There are some people who still think that they will have a European enclave in Africa. That will not happen!
Imagine 16 year old me in 1976,throwing stones,eyes burning of teargas, burning tyres,standing with my people,altho they sometym very unaccepting of coloureds,but i love them anyhow...now that gal,now an old woman,vote for Cape Independence apartheid in a different style😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 you got to be JOKING.
Is your community experiencing sewage issues such as experienced in Strandfontein, Cape Town? The test results will expose the level of contamination and the risks involved for humans and our precious environment. This has been ignored for decades, and we want to know from the City of Cape Town and the Mayor, what they will do to prevent this from continuing?
It's about more local autonomy so that problems of power and transport can be solved DUH!!!
You are watching the wrong video
Now I can make up my mind on who I'll vote for.
I rather be a servant in heaven than a master in hell.
It's constitutionally offensive not unconstitutional, so that's a matter of feelings not law within the constitution. Secondly it's not segregation based on race, it's segregation based on morals and principal's, where governance is done with competence and ethics. Thirdly if the ship is going to sink because there is no pulling back from this then get on a life raft, I would rather be on a life raft than be "brave" but dead.
Really now, you the type to leave your family when times are tough but wants to laugh with them when times are good, sounds like a lack of morals and ethics to me
Here is an idea why not leave South Africa and go to place that's more preferable to you and those who feel like you after all one of the founders if not the only founder is originally from the UK. South Africa is not yours to divide this will never happen forget about it.
Very convenient comment. Sadly most influential cape townians look at this with a lot of anxiety because their market for goods and services extends beyong Western Cape and logocally they could loose 70% of their business and wealth. I also wonder what your views are on social justice.
Jason, voetsek!!!
Love your third point, we can literally help you build an arc and wave you off the land. If you don't like it here, you can sail off to another country. western cape belongs to every South African, and we will not allow this lunacy of Cape Independence!
I would firstly like to point out that the DA does not and will never
Advocate such an eletist and utter ludicrous idea our beutifull Cape Town becoming an indipendant State we should unite and rally support amongst the many people in South Africa that did not vote the chairpetson of Action SA has a very good point and knows what hes talking about but the eay forward as he has mentioned is to vote the ANC out of Power over all of South Africa in all proveces
Based on grammatical and spelling errors, I know for a fact you did not go to school in the Western Cape😂😂😂
@@Pure_Boxing please man I have lived in Cape Town my entire life so I know what I'm talking about were you around in the Apartheid Era NO did you ever smoke in a Gangsters Kraal No did you ever know anybody that is a Gangster No don't insult my intelligence
@@ChrisJackson-c3i where in Cape Town?
Northern and Southern Suburbs
@@ChrisJackson-c3i how's it possible you still don't know how to spell? Did you finish matric in Eastern cape?
20,000 is only the tip of the iceberg! BUT, if you can win a better way, please do!!! I'm sure many would wish for the same in their provinces!
Let Zuma and his MK party get Kwa-Zulu Natal to secede, and then he can be president for life there. This propaganda of Cape Independence being based on segregation is absolute nonsense. The rest of SA is just terrified of losing their cash cow.
True lwt voters decide not yuors to tell its their decision
If that happens we must chip around the edges and set the cape adrift in the Atlantic
Anc not being allowed to steal and destroy everything is racism!
This is treason
Cape independence is a Kingdom of DA
From a Zulu, backwards brain yes
YOU can not decide if it is offensive or not. Let the voters decide. Flawed idea? Let the voters decide. Democracy is letting the VOTERS DECIDE. Not?
Lol he's right though. This can only lead to conflict in the near future.
they will decide and they will punish you , were that stupid
The WHOLE country should decide! Not just European descendants that live in CPT. The whole country must vote on this!
Of course . And we will vote against it
This is Africa. We won't let that happen.
The Americans want to create another Israel in Africa, and then little by little they will start chipping off land. Malema for President.
Why talking about Cape Independence???
It will never happen.
Yes...We are United.
🇿🇦Unity is Power 💪.
We don’t believe in separation.
This would be a good solution as a last resort if things dont get better in SA
You're a Moegoe
You don give up, do you, children of Vervoort. There will never be a European colony in any part of Africa. Am sorry to dash your colonial dreams.
Europe would be the ideal place for separate state...
@phumudzo Always turning it into a race thing. So one track minded you child of ANC propoganda. Keep voting for your criminals
I will never happen in SA as long as majority of the population is black
Mxm taking the country back to the Oppenheimers... I use love Action SA before it became a daughter of DA and the intire Rupert family
Viva Cape independence viva
Let voters decide what they want, we tired of all the baggage
keep dreaming
Go to orania
Would be better, wouldn't have to live in infested filth
@gordongraham2003 Go home, nobody wants you here
You don't have the numbers...shem 😅
How can this party be allowed to exists?
In a democracy, true freedom means allowing political parties to exist even if their ideologies are unpopular, as long as they abide by the constitution's rules. Banning these parties would infringe upon the freedom of association and expression guaranteed by democratic principles
@@Rpg844 I fully agree. If there is a party that should not be allowed it`s the EFF, they are more a terorist organisation than a political party
Danko Mike definitely voting action Sa