@@sako2874 you misunderstood my comment completely. Xbox controllers have better Microsoft support within pc games, the abxy buttons on the King Kong 2 are different too. It still doesn’t solve the problem of having no back buttons or trigger stops.
I would pay an extra 30 bucks for a headphone jack, xbox compatibility, and some buttons or paddles on the back. Would be interesting. Got burnt by the 8bitdo pro 2 with some ridiculous stick drift and want another good controller for playing emulators on my phone and possibly some switch /Xbox gaming
@@venbeer I found the exact thing you are talking about, cool. Maybe I'll check it out when that releases but I'm not buying on something promised for the future
For now I use the Razer Wolverine Ultimate, but they all have some innate drift so I have to up the deadzone % but I’ve put it through some serious wear and tear, and a year later my thumb sticks are still holding up.
Fun facts! The triggers also have hall sensing! I think the most exciting thing about the controller is how aggressive their licensing department is. They've already put similar sticks into the Ayn Neo Next and made a replacement kit for steamdeck sticks. There's a legitimate world where getting a third party controller with hall sensing isn't just dependent on one company. The paddles aren't too big of an issue for me as the controller made learning claw grip a lot easier, but I would like to see either a pro model with paddles and stops and all that fun jazz, or an attachment with compatibility. A lot of the faults of the controller are primarily because it's designed for switch users. Switch controllers rarely have audio jacks or back buttons, as they're in much less demand. "Thumb has to constantly control the camera" is less common in switch games, where accurate face buttons tend to be more important. They have a PS5+Xbox adapter in the works, but other adapters should also be compatible.
They're also working on replacement joysticks for the Switch Joycon controllers, and boy I can't wait till those come out so I can replace the crappy stock ones. GOOD RIDDANCE TO NINTENDO!
@@JaxxKinson3621 Hilariously, they were trying to replace switch joycons first. Making a hall module that small is hard, so they started with controller size and accidentally made an absolute killer controller. As much as the switch joycon problems were an issue, I don't really blame nintendo directly for that. ALPS sticks have been the norm, there hasn't been an alternative to alps sticks, and no one predicted that downscaling them would cause that many performance issues. Joycons have so much going on in them that "the controller technology we've been using since the first dualshock is what consistently broke" was hardly the expectation.
@@mango_raider4116 Back buttons aren't a modern feature on any controller, trigger stops aren't either and also aren't usually necessary on switch controllers because they're usually digital to begin with and therefore already have their triggers stopped, and Xbox is 3 generations behind on gyroscopes with PS devs not using the options available in their controllers. Switch controllers and devs using their gyroscopes lets people actually hold normal controllers like normal people, instead of having to pay out the nose for unreliable elite controllers and relying solely on terrible stick aim, or learning claw grips (and still just relying on terrible stick aim while also lowering button accuracy). This doesn't even begin to mention that the audo degredation in xbox's and ps's audio jacks is so bad that using wireless is the best option on any of them, while the switch itself does have a pretty decent qualtiy audio jack which is far more useful given its portability. Also, none of this was in any way "excusing" the switch's hardware. It's a portable console from 2017, from a company that makes weaker consoles as a business strategy. It's just interesting how the demand for controller features develops in different ways, and how the primary complaints about a controller made for those needs are that the controller itself doesn't meet a different market's desires. That's a huge success for a controller.
@@paigelove2666 Even with alps being the current trend, Nintendo is known for being a bit more old fashioned and using older tech in their stuff (even to their own detriment in some cases) so why didn't they keep the good old things like the optical sensors they used in the Nintendo 64's analogs which were also resistant to drift even when the sticks got lose (and they definitely got lose real fast too). If a company like this can do this Nintendo and the others could've done it if they cared. The problem is if they start now companies like this won't sell as many things even if they're the ones that gave the idea
I came back to this video to say, I bought this pro controller for less than 50 bucks (cheaper than an actual switch pro controller and much cheaper than all other pro controllers I've got) and it's an awesome piece! It feels very high quality in my hands and the sticks are really great with no dead zone mode! The shoulder buttons feel very good to use, too. The face buttons are fine, but I'm used to my Razer Wolverine, which basically got mechanical mouse clicky face buttons (best feeling ones, I've ever had). I had much MUCH less trouble getting the King Kong pro 2 working on PC, than an actual switch pro controller (which likes to bitch around and refuses to work with cable on my PC/ only works with blue tooth connection). The 600% sensitivity mode for the triggers is VERY good for any game, where you don't need the trigger input (basically anything but racing games?). I was sceptical at first, having game pads with physical trigger locks, but TBH the massive increased trigger sensitivity does the job very well and I actually tend to use the triggers on the king kong pro 2 with less force, while I tend to push really hard against the physical trigger stops in my other game pads (don't ask me why, that's just how my brain auto pilots the controllers). My final verdict: I can live with the missing head phone jack, I miss the 3rd shoulder buttons, that the razer wolverin has, as well as four back pedal buttons in some games. But on the other hand I get awesome joysticks and the option to use gyro (I'm a big fan of gyro controls and enjoy to play around with rewasd to create my own gamepad configs), which makes me choose this controller over my nacon revolution. (The Nacon Revolution pro 3 controller technically has the best mix of button layout, the worst 4 back buttons and it breaks terribly easy) I 100% recommend this controller over the original switch pro controller. It's cheaper (at least where I live), much higher quality, comes with more customization options, is easier to set up and feels better in your hands. It's just better in any way (sometimes FAR better) than the original. Thanks for showing me, that this controller exists vCuda! :D
@@harshrajsoni5082 Yea, it's still working mighty fine. But I have very recently (like one or two weeks ago) swapped to the Razer Wolverine V2 Pro game controller. I've mentioned a previous model in my original comment. I think the old one was already a perfect controller, but it missed the gyro controls. The V2 pro however is basically a playstation dualsense controller with touchpad and gyro (and xbox button layout). They've also added mecha-tactile buttons everywhere (face buttons, D-pad, shoulder buttons AND triggers, when you switch them to button mode). And it still got the 2 extra shoulder buttons and the four back pedals (which are controversial in design, but I like them A LOT) That controller (Razer Wolverine V2 Pro) is expensive as heck however, but I think it's one of the best hard ware you can currently get for money. The Gulikit KingKong Pro 2 was used by me extensively. I've also used the gyro of it a lot by using remap programs. The sticks are still very precise, but I had to recalibrate them sometimes, when they started drifting (use the game pad intern recalibration to get rid of the drift) What I had to learn about the KingKong Pro 2 is to NEVER drop it, not even from 30 cm height (it was an accident, I swear!). The face buttons will instantly pop out and fly around the room and good luck finding these grey little buggers again, haha. But in general this controller is basically almost as good as new and the used grip material is one of the few, that doesn't make my hands sweat & also still looks like new. I'm genuinely impressed, especially because of the price tag. By the way, I recommend reading the manual of the GuliKit KingKong Pro 2 controller. It has a bunch of cool features you can access by pressing various buttons of the controller simultaneously. For example the 0 dead zone mode has to be activated (is not active as default setting). There's also other functions like super light touch triggers (great for any game that's not a racing game) and the already mentioned calibration mode.
Was real impressed with this controller. I use it on Series X with a Brook Wingman XB adapter and it works great. Its especially good for twin stick shooters with the zero deadzone setting. It works with thier PS5 adapter too, but only for PS4 games, so its limited on that console. Works great on Series X though.
@João M. I cant notice any additonal lag and Im real sensitive to that. Ive played everything from side scrolling shooters with my modded stick to modern games with the King kong 2 and everything feels super responsive to me. Its great to be able to use the KK2 on just about any console with the xbox and ps4 adapters.
@João M. I think youll be pleasantly surprised. The KK 2 really is an awesome controller and feels great with the adapter. It lets you use so many other great controllers on the Xbox too. I find myself using the KK 2 more than my Elite 2 lately. No deadzone setting is incredible for many games.
@João M. Yea, same with me. I went through so many Elites and Elite 2's that I have to get a best buy warranty on each just to keep up with the replacements. It ends up costing more to keep buying the warranties. They only last 3-6 months on average for me and I play alot more than just Xbox. Even the model 2's still get that stick drift, even though they seemed to fix the bumpers somewhat and the rubber peeling. The deadzone is very noticable too. The KK2 is much smoother even without the deadzone feature. Its super impressive that a 60 dollar controller actually feels better than the Elite in alot of ways, may be more durable and also feels much better than the 180 dollar Razer Wolverine. That controller had a cheap feel to it and doesnt compare with this one either. I returned that one after a few months. The KK2 feels great on PS4 too using it on the PS5 with the Brooke adapter for that console. Would be nice if it gets updated someday to work with PS5 games too. Enjoy the controller
@Νίκος Παναγιωτόπουλος Ive been using this controller on Xbox Series X with that Wingman XB adapter with no issues. I even used that adapter to use it on Xbox 360. I dont detect any input lag and it feels great to use. You just have to press a button on the top of the controller until it vibrates to make sure its in the right mode for Xbox, the adapter picks it up right away once you do that. Very easy to set up and use. I set the Series X to co-pilot mode so I can swap between that controller and the Elite controller at any time as well, depending on what controller feels better for which games. It allows both controllers to be used at once, but completely optional. If you want to use this controller on PS5 you can only use it for PS4 games on that console. There's a bigger limitation there.
@Νίκος Παναγιωτόπουλος Any time brother. Ah , right. I missed that part. Im not sure when Microsoft itself will officially support the controller. I wasnt even thinking about that. I never expect these companies to comply, ha ha. It would be nice to use it wireless on the Xbox, but I always feel like wired is a little more responsive, less input lag. Seems logical atleast. So I dont mind. I already had the XMB adapter. Its awesome for using my modded joysticks and 8bitdo M30 , so all I needed was this controller. If you dont sit close to the console you might just want to get a real long USB-C cable and you probably wont even notice the cable. Hope you enjoy the controller.
The last comment was on the wrong video. This video is great too. U earned my sub little homie. Way better than review tech USA. It's been like a decade since that dude has reviewed any American made/designed tech.
bought this controller yesterday, and my god this controller feels amazing to use. As a pure mouse and keyboard user for more than 20+ years these analog is very precise to my liking. I didn't notice any issue on the sticks is mentioned in the video with zero deadzone off/on. I can say QC might have improve, my unit is very well built with the only flaw I can find is the B button letter is not centered. I don't really mind though even the letter arrangement is not for PC(mostly blacked out if you dont really look at them). I did upgrade the v3.9 firmware and v1.12 cpu update before using it.
I'm a MKB player as well. I just ordered it and looking forward to trying the gyro capabilities in Steam. It will hopefully pair good with my gaming laptop.. I can't see why it wouldn't. Glad you like the product.
@@z4xarhis the only complaint about it right now is that I dont like the abxy buttons at all. Its not responsive enough when playing competitive shooter but its not what its designed for so I'll give it a break. Btw, if you feels like your sticks or not on point or zr zl feels mushy try the auto calibrate function.
@@enwz96 I just received mine today. I switched the abxy buttons to match Xbox and left everything else stock. A buddy of mine who's a controller only player, sadly admitted that the Gulikit felt smoother and higher quality compared to his $180 Elite controller. I had fun testing the new pad in Steam.. played For Honor and Counter Strike with it. Really good purchase so far.
you could totally use the APG mode to more consistently pull off combos in fighting games. If there’s a really hard combo you can only pull off once in a while, you can now almost 100% guarantee it with the APG mode
Only issue is the D-pad wasn't stressed test for fighting games. Zangief's screw pile driver move in street fighter 2 doesn't even register, cos the command is too quick for the D-pad to handle
Facts. This is exactly what the combos in a strike pack do. In a shooter you could record your smg and pump set up. Crouch, shoot, switch weapon, jump, pump etc. You get th idea.
Gulikit has announced an adapter for this controller that'll be available within the next month or 2! It's for the Xbox Series X/S and the PlayStation 4 and 5 as far as I know It doesn't work for Xbox One to my knowledge, and the supported consoles could change before release. So keep that in mind!
UPDATE: Apparently, Gulikit is so proud of these Hall Effect thumbsticks that they're selling Steam Deck replacement stick module version of the ones in these controllers. You can also buy the membrane face-button switches for any controllers you want to mod with it if you're into that stuff. Old post: I always thought my Dreamcast analog sticks felt way more accurate than anything that came after it. Kinda learned 20 years later that it has this kind of tech in it apparently.
I'd love to see you review the XIM NEXUS. I've been an Alpha tester on the project for 3 years or so. You can tune the thumbsticks to have no directional drift, insanely small deadzone, and the best part is you can make and curve shape you want on any game.
First time seeing this channel, love the vibe here. Actually getting gyro is pretty huge to me as well, as someone who's learned to love it playing Splatoon.
Bought this controller about a week ago (so naturally youtube starts recommending me videos about it). The APG has come in so handy for me with Dreamlight Valley and COOKING!!! It's saved my fingers cooking up pumpkin puffs. If/when I go back to animal crossing it would also come in handy for mass crafting things too, so even though I probably wont have much use for the APG otherwise it definitely saves your fingers from those tedious tasks! Also the firmware I would recommend doing if you purchase this controller, my left joystick was 16.5% error on the gamepad testing site but after the firmware update (which was super easy btw) both joysticks are now super smooth!
There are PROBABLY good reasons for not having a headphone jack: * Bluetooth is incredibly unreliable and has been for well over the past 10 years. Some devices just refuse to pair due to 'incompatibility issues' that will never ever get fixed. I've been running into this for 14 YEARS. * Writing firmware is REALLY hard. Trust me. I write software. Now just imagine writing firmware with non-trivial features that must communicate reliably via the lowest cost bluetooth chips that you can get. Chips that have software AND hardware bugs you have to work around. * Maybe the Bluetooth spec doesn't even support devices that function as both audio AND input device? * Putting a 'headphone jack' in a device means you have to support that FOR ALL PLATFORMS. Imagine finding out AFTER you purchase this thing that you can't use the headphone jack on android because it's "unsupported". That would be unacceptable. * TODAY, Bluetooth audio is high latency, low-quality and some devices use proprietary codecs that aren't supported everywhere leading to even more compatibility issues. tl;dr: Bluetooth sucks. This is why I still use a headphone jack on all my devices. Honestly, if you can't make a device that provides quality audio in all situations, then it's very good reasoning to just not support audio at all. Disappointing your customers is worse than being upfront about a feature not being available. Imagine how your brand looks if you put a giant warning on the box that said "only supports audio on windows!" That'd put me off from buying it because I'd assume it'd be low-quality crap. tl;dr: This might be done to not disappoint customers. I'd love to see photos of the PCB. Perhaps there's still solder pads and traces on the PCB for a headphone jack and they just decided to not ship this feature. Who knows? Maybe this will get resolved in later iterations?
I just picked one of these up, so far reasonably impressed with it and hoping the reliability will mean longer life and less E-waste. Mine even came with the replacement xbox layout ABXY button set and a little button puller! The zero deadzone thing, I think I'm gonna contact Gulikit to request a feature of "reduced deadzone mode" in between the default deadzone size and zero. The option to just have some very small deadzones could really help with it's life as the mechanical components of the sticks will inevitably eventually wear and introduce at least tiny amounts of drift when using zero deadzones, even if the sensors themselves are immune to drift. They seem to have been pretty good with firmware updates so far, and I can say the firmware update process is really easy (literally just plug it in, press a button combo, a drive appears, you drop the firmware update file in, done) so I hope they may improve the feature set further!
Best Controller Review Channel out there honestly, I wish you more success and growth Vcuda! Always looking forward to your videos. You helped me make some good choices. (Even though all controllers are dogshit 💀)
I salute the effort they put there and yours for the constructive criticism. I'll looking forward to see if a version with back paddles could come out.
Im rocking both the Fusion Pro and Wolverine Ultimate. I daily the Fusion pro because i like the analogs better and the Wolverine buttons and triggers are too fast. Fusion Pro - Driving and Survival games Wolverine - Fighting and Shooters
Thanks for this. I and the other controller videos you uploaded. As a result I ended up ordering this controller on Alliexpress a day or two ago so hopefully it should be here next month. Oh I paid $50 Canadian moneys shipping included. I think the GK KK 3 might be coming out at some point? so I suspect their trying to get rid of old stock. Also thanks for your links, I downloaded the v5.1 firmware ahead of time and hopefully it's a useful thing to have.
Best controller I’ve ever bought but not saying much since I’ve never spent over 80. Very annoying having to by an adapter but the wingman adapter works great and have had no issues. Your reviews are fire bro, good shit! Keep it up 👍🏻
This has been in my Amazon wish list for ages but only so I can keep an eye out for an Xbox version. It needs trigger stops and a couple paddles/buttons on back an I am ALL OVER IT - side note, whilst the Gambit does not have exactly a 'premium' feel, it is the most comfortable controller I have EVER held, for my hands. It's impossible to please everybody
If they make an xbox/ps4 version without paddles you can perhaps use an extreme rate dawn kit or something to add back buttons. I haven't tried their Xbox one been using their dawn remap kit for about 3 years on ps4 and it works really well. Downsides being having to take your controller apart to install/fix, not being able to easily swap it to new controllers and the ribbon cable seems to bend and start to mess up after a few years of owning it for me (cable costs $5 though)
They should make the stick modules for the thrustmaster eswap pro as they are all sold out and you can only buy them as a packet deal with extra triggers, dpad, and handle colors for like 40$. Their durability plus price point for these would be S tier.
I would like to see this, but I can't see them being made with thrustmaster's approval. Thrustmaster's model for the eswap is to get you to keep rebuying sticks. Giving people hall effect magnet sticks to just plug in could kill that revenue stream.
Things that I've loved about this controller since I bought it. - no deadzones feel amazing. Its the first time for me using a thumbstick like this and it feels so surreal. - The thumbstick texture feels so good - the buttons feel clicky but not annoying - the triggers feel great and weighty This is what I dislike - on PC, it defaults to using the - and + buttons for home and menu buttons.
Hey vCuda have you seen the FlyDigi Apex 2? Four back buttons, two extra shoulders, two extra face buttons in the ABXY region, gyro, the BXY (not A) is on a circlepad-like slider for additional inputs, plus support for macros. Four menu buttons, power switch, and a dedicated pairing button, two stick heights plus the sticks have a loose metal ring to act as a bearing between the stick and gate, the face plates come off for dongle storage and a BXY slider locking ring. I'm not sure why A isn't included on the circle pad cluster. The way it functions is a button press activates slider input, so you basically get a full dedicated joystick per button. I've seen this used for leaning and crouching on a single input, weapon swapping, I'm sure it could be used as a radial menu (similar to what Steam Input allows) for switching between a range of items within a hotbar, etc. But the cool thing is, even if you set the slider to only cardinal directions, that's +12 functions within the ABXY cluster. I know it's marketed more towards mobile games, as touch and drag is a very common input method, thus why the slider exists, but it's also usable on PC, and another content creator, BoomBakalous, has a ton of content on PC functionality and mapping with this controller. The controller is definitely beyond typical 'pro' controller features, but it might be up your alley, even if it isn't it's still an interesting product that allows for atypical control schemes, it'd be an interesting content piece nonetheless. Plus I honestly want to see your thoughts and long term thoughts on it. There seems to be stock issues everywhere outside of AliExpress, it's a Chinese company so that's to be expected, but an $80-$90 controller with all this functionality sounds like an absolute banger if it's durable long term; honestly I don't know how they're selling it for that price at all, even eBay resellers are sub-$150, and that's still a considerable price given the functionality. Hopefully stock issues get resolved, because this is one of the most interesting controllers I've seen. Edit: Amazon has it stocked again, I guess this controller's availability fluctuates, $95 currently. As for the controller and company here, things are interesting. This is by far the best hall effect implementation yet. Dreamcast used hall sensors but they were made in such a way where the more modern stick-click design would not work, and the PS3 hall-ish sensors, they were actually an inductance-based system, were overly complicated and required additional ICs to drive the circuit and amplify or process the signal for the microcontroller to read; hell, the PS3 sticks were misunderstood for the longest time, everyone assumed there was a hall sensor in the pot housing, but it was actually just a PCB with some traces for the inductance circuit. This design, though, is clearly just a minimal change solution for the modern stick housing, and cuts the Dreamcasts' four sensor per stick design (which Ben Heck has replicated recently) down to two sensors per stick like the PS3 sticks, but with actual hall effect sensors, which are arguably better than the inductance circuits the PS3 sticks had. As for the button mechanisms, I don't understand them at all, sure we all want mechanical switches for controllers, but this is just a spring box that actuates the same rubber dome contact switch, other than button springback, it does nothing special, it's implementation just about invalidates the original concept. APG would be useful for repetitive tasks, like farming in games, or how we used to AFK games by rubber banding a stick. No companion software is actually huge though, so many of these expanded feature set controllers, not remap paddles but actual complex features, seem to always have companion software; which personally I don't mind, something as complex as the FlyDigi Apex 2 for example honestly needs some kind of companion software for it's expanded feature set, but on something simpler like the KK2P no companion software makes sense. Though there is an important caveat, the non-pro variation. Non-pro gets the older style of grip texture, which seems to be worse as far as I can tell. No NFC for Amiibo support, though NFC on PC could have cool uses if you're emulating anything that uses NFC, plus niche uses on PC. From what I can interpret, which I could be incorrect as there seems to be Chinese-English translation mistakes, Android (Not iOS?) and PC don't get gyro support; the 'gyro aim assist' feature is missing, but what even is gyro aim assist, I take this as meaning stick + gyro where stick is coarse control and gyro is fine control, as it is in most shooters that support gyro, but if this feature is missing wouldn't all gyro features be missing as well, it's a confusing situation that needs to be cleared up. Along without the option for no deadzones or sensor tuning. APG I'm not sure about, I don't remember seeing it mentioned in their marketing materials, but this seems like it'd be an advanced 'pro' feature like sensor tuning. For $20 less, still a solid controller, but an important thing to mention when going over feature sets. Now the interesting part of Gulikit, they're supplying their stick design to other companies. Aya has at least one of their handheld PCs using it, Gulikit is making replacement Steam Deck stick kits, Gulikit has made Joy Con (and I assume 3DS circle pad and potentially PSP/Vita sticks are lumped here as well) replacements using hall sensors. Gulikit also provides replacement spring boxes, a button kit to swap the KK2/KK2P layout from Switch to Xbox. Who knows what else they have in store for the future. Gulikit is taking their shit _extremely_ seriously, it's not just that they're trying to combat drift in one product, they're attempting to do so within the market. Which leads me to believe, since they seemingly already have Valve replacement parts, this might push other companies to switch to hall sensors. I wouldn't be surprised if the Elite Series 3 has hall sticks as their next big move. I wouldn't be surprised if Gulikit replaces ALPS in a lot of the Chinese manufacturers, as Gulikit themselves is a Chinese manufacturer; hell, this might push ALPS to get their shit together. I wouldn't be surprised if by next gen, hall sticks are quality standard. Gulikit could be making some big, big moves right now. Gulikit also seems to be on board with right to repair, which may be a significant push for more repairable products within the industry Honestly, I think there's even potential to improve further. The sticks for example, they use a typical off-the-shelf metal housing with the stick gimbal. The third cause of drift could be fixed with a slightly different design, as the centering spring design really isn't all that great. A coil spring is meant for compression, sometimes extension, but never really axial bending or planar skewing. A torsional spring on the gimbal axes itself would be better, though a bit harder to implement and not really a swappable component if someone wants a heavier or lighter stick; you'd have to swap the gimbal itself, not just a spring, as the design would more than likely be based on plastic compliance. Besides a more complex design, manufacturability should be relatively the same, but this would potentially far extend the spring life of a stick. Plus there's potential for this design to evolve how stick click is implemented, if we can move the switch to be under the stick, this would be better than having the switch opposite of one of the pots, this could also prevent the skewing issue, as the current design actuates the switch while keeping the pot rigid, and could potentially make switch click easier to actuate while the stick itself is tilted. There's potential there, I'd be curious to see if Gulikit keeps evolving their design. There's also potential for evolution of the implementation of capacitive sticks, as Valve's Steam Deck's implementation is a bit jank. There's also potential for other components, like evolving the spring boxes to be actual mechanical switches, etc. Personally, one thing I want to see in product evolution, is the move from soldered stick housings to clip-in housings, that way if anything does happen _anyone_ can replace it without the need for soldering equipment and skills, this could further revolutionize things. The company's future has a high potential for being very interesting, and there's a lot of potential to see how big moves like this affect the wider industry, not just from Gulikit but other companies doing atypical designs as well.
@@jamesbarron4376 Not all that long, all things considering. Without the additional line breaks, it's a 2+ page wall of text in typical formatting, which is akin to high school essay length. But also keep in mind what I've typed out could also be condensed into a five minute video, text as a format is long and inefficient, fully scripted videos can easily become a page per minute depending on the content. It might seem long, but a lot of people also don't go into depth on topics beyond a sentence or two, and the original content rarely fully covers topics like this mostly due to time constraints involving the viewer's attention spans; people should be enticed to have intelligent conversation, sadly nearly every platform doesn't promote the idea of it. For example, no content creator, hell nobody promoting the product on any platform, seems to point out the $50 variant of this controller, which is an important thing to point out when people are potentially buying this. For another example, nobody doing content on this controller specifically goes into detail of how hall sensors work, how previous implementations worked and what their downsides are, and how this implementation is arguably the best for the stick housings we currently use. For yet another example, nobody's really talking about the way forward from here, topics like further improvements, topics like how this company is supplying parts to other vendors and supplying repair parts themselves, how them being a vendor might affect the market, etc. Conversation on nearly every platform has become, for lack of a better term, unintelligent, due to a variety of reasons. Intelligent conversation is also important for societal reasons, and stifling it leads to less than favorable outcomes, yet people don't want to engage in it due to platforms enticing people not to do so.
Bought the gambit cause of you and so far I like it its just taking some time getting used to. I no longer buy power A... been screwed by them 3 times now
Hi vcuda you have persuaded me to get the razor wolverine ultimate for my birthday thanks so much for the review it really helps and I think you should be a bigger tech channel your really underrated your such a good tech channel thank you
I've had this controller for few months now and I love it. The turbo and macro or whatever it's called I pretty much only use in Animal Crossing to all the repetitive stuff you have to do. I main Xbox and hope they follow through with the it able to work on Xbox but for the time being it's been my main work horse on my Switch. It even feels good playing Smash and older N64 games.
I recommended this to gamer heaven and he said he had it in his closet and was going to review it in the future but I guess I can watch you another honest reviewer and yes you are both my favorite reviewers ok I promise.
I'd totally pick this controller up if they make a series X/S variant (hopefully something close to the stock X/S controller because of battery options)
So glad you reviewed this, since I was skeptical on this controller because of the lack of reviews, and you're the only gamepad reviewer I have any faith in. I'll definitely be ordering one.
@@GigaWojak Fair enough. It's a great PC controller though. It functions identically to an xbox controller or a switch pro controller would depending on the mode you put it in, as steam supports both controllers.
@@CandarianGaming Does it have to be in Switch Pro mode for the gyro to work on PC? Every Nintendo/Playstation controller I own requires the use of controller emulators like DS4Windows, ReWASD, or the ones built into Steam to get gyro aiming. I wouldn't expect gyro to work in Xinput mode but it would be amazing if it did.
@@GigaWojak The controller in Xinput mode does have a built in gyro feature but it's not good. Just a very limited right stick motion emulator with 3 settings. It obviously has steam support when in switch pro mode which is a million times better if you want to use gyro. I tried it that way with CSGO and it was flawless.
He said call of duty players on pc would have a field day and I had to contain myself 😮💨 Ijust waranteed my razer chroma but Imean this thing lookin kinda fye
Convince them to make one for us Xbox children. The thing I like about these companies and the like such as Victrix is it's going to make the other controller brands lift their game on what their shovelling out.
Setting up macros on a controller to go afk in grindy games, not having stick drift and having long lasting buttons and triggers also. Only needs PS5 compatibility, back paddles and headphone jack to be my dream controller. Trigger click functionality would be cool too
I have this controller and strictly play Warzone with it on PC. The sticks and triggers are amazing. I am also a keyboard and mouse player. I switch on and off. The sticks feel like a mouse that's how sensitive they are. The one knock against this controller are the ABXY buttons, they did slightly stick. But there was a firmware and CPU update recently and now they are actually over sensitive, usually noticeable while in game menus. Overall I definitely recommend this controller. Will definitely be buying the Xbox adapter for it.
the quality of your videos are always nice. unfortunately you didn't mention the biggest negative point. input lag... i've seen videos where the rate is supposed to be abysmal. can you check this again?
Unfortunately I can't really test response times, or overclocking. I've tried both and I cant get them to work. I've heard one or two complains about this, and I haven't noticed too much personally, but thete may be some truth to the claim Someone with more experience Overclocking and testing response times could probably find out though
@@vCuda Thanks for the quick feedback. Will wait with the purchase. Sorry for the weird spelling of my comment, google translator is trying its best. Buoy mustache long ponytail
Hey cuda, if you ever get the chance, I would seriously recommend reviewing the Razer Huntsman V2 Analog (the analog part is very important there. You can essentially bind your WASD to controller inputs so that your keypress isn't either 100% or 0% all the time, but gradually increases as you press the key. I tried it out on some driving games as well as a couple FPS games, and even though it's expensive, I do not regret the purchase at all. Edit: and I would use the APG for either zero tick farms in Minecraft, or really hard fighting game infinite combos (cheating, but would be fun to try once or twice)
I know this is probably going to sound like a stupid question, but would you be able to take the joysticks out of the controller and put them in others? Or the modules to different for that to work.
I'm sure my buddy would use the recorded gameplay feature to get his platinum trophy for Skater XL, players have to skate so many KM and PS doesn't tell you how much you have left, but I've done calculations, I believe its hundreds of hours to do this trophy with out glitches
The only use I can think of for the APG (for me anyway) would be to let it do all my boring bulk crafting in RPGs. Set it up and let it do its thing while I go eat 😂
I believe that stick drift is a controllers biggest hurdle and it blows my mind how some of the most expensive controllers will develop stick drift in just days. However, as exciting as this controller is, I don’t understand how any controller made in 2022 doesn’t come standard with back paddles.
You should still buy the product regardless because no matter how objective you think you are, you'll be a lot more objective if you have to justify the money you spent. It's a lot easier to see the negatives in a product you spent money on.
yo... i own one of the controllers and it's gotta be the best controller i've ever owned... so far using it only on the pc but i'll never go back to my xbox controller for pc games after this
Only thing for them to do now is to make an Xbox variant with pro controller features.
Buy something like a zen or titan 2 if you wanna use the controller on ps or xbox
@@sako2874 that still wouldnt give it pro features though. thats just an adapter
@@sako2874 you misunderstood my comment completely. Xbox controllers have better Microsoft support within pc games, the abxy buttons on the King Kong 2 are different too. It still doesn’t solve the problem of having no back buttons or trigger stops.
@@D1S0- no, i know what you meant, I was just bringing up a short-term fix
@@D1S0- also, you could super glue a cut zip tie if you really wanted trigger stoppers
I would pay an extra 30 bucks for a headphone jack, xbox compatibility, and some buttons or paddles on the back. Would be interesting. Got burnt by the 8bitdo pro 2 with some ridiculous stick drift and want another good controller for playing emulators on my phone and possibly some switch /Xbox gaming
I saw on the Amazon product q&a that apparently they are working on something for Xbox/PS compatibility. It's some adapter.
@@venbeer I found the exact thing you are talking about, cool. Maybe I'll check it out when that releases but I'm not buying on something promised for the future
Very interested for some Xbox compatibility. I play apex legends on linear, and the No deadzone function has me super piqued.
For now I use the Razer Wolverine Ultimate, but they all have some innate drift so I have to up the deadzone % but I’ve put it through some serious wear and tear, and a year later my thumb sticks are still holding up.
Oh really your 8bit is drifting? had mine for quite some time now but i suppose im not exactly a fervent switch player
Fun facts! The triggers also have hall sensing!
I think the most exciting thing about the controller is how aggressive their licensing department is. They've already put similar sticks into the Ayn Neo Next and made a replacement kit for steamdeck sticks. There's a legitimate world where getting a third party controller with hall sensing isn't just dependent on one company. The paddles aren't too big of an issue for me as the controller made learning claw grip a lot easier, but I would like to see either a pro model with paddles and stops and all that fun jazz, or an attachment with compatibility.
A lot of the faults of the controller are primarily because it's designed for switch users. Switch controllers rarely have audio jacks or back buttons, as they're in much less demand. "Thumb has to constantly control the camera" is less common in switch games, where accurate face buttons tend to be more important. They have a PS5+Xbox adapter in the works, but other adapters should also be compatible.
They're also working on replacement joysticks for the Switch Joycon controllers, and boy I can't wait till those come out so I can replace the crappy stock ones. GOOD RIDDANCE TO NINTENDO!
@@JaxxKinson3621 Hilariously, they were trying to replace switch joycons first. Making a hall module that small is hard, so they started with controller size and accidentally made an absolute killer controller.
As much as the switch joycon problems were an issue, I don't really blame nintendo directly for that. ALPS sticks have been the norm, there hasn't been an alternative to alps sticks, and no one predicted that downscaling them would cause that many performance issues. Joycons have so much going on in them that "the controller technology we've been using since the first dualshock is what consistently broke" was hardly the expectation.
"this controller doesn't have basic modern features because the Switch is a bad piece of last gen hardware" is the wildest excuse I've seen in a while
@@mango_raider4116 Back buttons aren't a modern feature on any controller, trigger stops aren't either and also aren't usually necessary on switch controllers because they're usually digital to begin with and therefore already have their triggers stopped, and Xbox is 3 generations behind on gyroscopes with PS devs not using the options available in their controllers. Switch controllers and devs using their gyroscopes lets people actually hold normal controllers like normal people, instead of having to pay out the nose for unreliable elite controllers and relying solely on terrible stick aim, or learning claw grips (and still just relying on terrible stick aim while also lowering button accuracy).
This doesn't even begin to mention that the audo degredation in xbox's and ps's audio jacks is so bad that using wireless is the best option on any of them, while the switch itself does have a pretty decent qualtiy audio jack which is far more useful given its portability.
Also, none of this was in any way "excusing" the switch's hardware. It's a portable console from 2017, from a company that makes weaker consoles as a business strategy. It's just interesting how the demand for controller features develops in different ways, and how the primary complaints about a controller made for those needs are that the controller itself doesn't meet a different market's desires. That's a huge success for a controller.
@@paigelove2666 Even with alps being the current trend, Nintendo is known for being a bit more old fashioned and using older tech in their stuff (even to their own detriment in some cases) so why didn't they keep the good old things like the optical sensors they used in the Nintendo 64's analogs which were also resistant to drift even when the sticks got lose (and they definitely got lose real fast too). If a company like this can do this Nintendo and the others could've done it if they cared. The problem is if they start now companies like this won't sell as many things even if they're the ones that gave the idea
I came back to this video to say, I bought this pro controller for less than 50 bucks (cheaper than an actual switch pro controller and much cheaper than all other pro controllers I've got) and it's an awesome piece! It feels very high quality in my hands and the sticks are really great with no dead zone mode! The shoulder buttons feel very good to use, too. The face buttons are fine, but I'm used to my Razer Wolverine, which basically got mechanical mouse clicky face buttons (best feeling ones, I've ever had).
I had much MUCH less trouble getting the King Kong pro 2 working on PC, than an actual switch pro controller (which likes to bitch around and refuses to work with cable on my PC/ only works with blue tooth connection). The 600% sensitivity mode for the triggers is VERY good for any game, where you don't need the trigger input (basically anything but racing games?). I was sceptical at first, having game pads with physical trigger locks, but TBH the massive increased trigger sensitivity does the job very well and I actually tend to use the triggers on the king kong pro 2 with less force, while I tend to push really hard against the physical trigger stops in my other game pads (don't ask me why, that's just how my brain auto pilots the controllers).
My final verdict: I can live with the missing head phone jack, I miss the 3rd shoulder buttons, that the razer wolverin has, as well as four back pedal buttons in some games. But on the other hand I get awesome joysticks and the option to use gyro (I'm a big fan of gyro controls and enjoy to play around with rewasd to create my own gamepad configs), which makes me choose this controller over my nacon revolution. (The Nacon Revolution pro 3 controller technically has the best mix of button layout, the worst 4 back buttons and it breaks terribly easy)
I 100% recommend this controller over the original switch pro controller. It's cheaper (at least where I live), much higher quality, comes with more customization options, is easier to set up and feels better in your hands. It's just better in any way (sometimes FAR better) than the original.
Thanks for showing me, that this controller exists vCuda! :D
is it still working good?
@@harshrajsoni5082 Yea, it's still working mighty fine. But I have very recently (like one or two weeks ago) swapped to the Razer Wolverine V2 Pro game controller.
I've mentioned a previous model in my original comment. I think the old one was already a perfect controller, but it missed the gyro controls. The V2 pro however is basically a playstation dualsense controller with touchpad and gyro (and xbox button layout). They've also added mecha-tactile buttons everywhere (face buttons, D-pad, shoulder buttons AND triggers, when you switch them to button mode). And it still got the 2 extra shoulder buttons and the four back pedals (which are controversial in design, but I like them A LOT)
That controller (Razer Wolverine V2 Pro) is expensive as heck however, but I think it's one of the best hard ware you can currently get for money.
The Gulikit KingKong Pro 2 was used by me extensively. I've also used the gyro of it a lot by using remap programs. The sticks are still very precise, but I had to recalibrate them sometimes, when they started drifting (use the game pad intern recalibration to get rid of the drift)
What I had to learn about the KingKong Pro 2 is to NEVER drop it, not even from 30 cm height (it was an accident, I swear!). The face buttons will instantly pop out and fly around the room and good luck finding these grey little buggers again, haha.
But in general this controller is basically almost as good as new and the used grip material is one of the few, that doesn't make my hands sweat & also still looks like new. I'm genuinely impressed, especially because of the price tag.
By the way, I recommend reading the manual of the GuliKit KingKong Pro 2 controller. It has a bunch of cool features you can access by pressing various buttons of the controller simultaneously. For example the 0 dead zone mode has to be activated (is not active as default setting). There's also other functions like super light touch triggers (great for any game that's not a racing game) and the already mentioned calibration mode.
@@crankpatate3303 Thankyou mate , you're the best!!
You Crack me up nephew
Thanks man! We gotta come visit some time, I miss the hell outta you man
You deserve WAY more subs and better action on the algorithm. You’re an awesome reviewer with honesty and integrity. Props man. 👍🏻💯🙏👏🏻
Was real impressed with this controller. I use it on Series X with a Brook Wingman XB adapter and it works great. Its especially good for twin stick shooters with the zero deadzone setting. It works with thier PS5 adapter too, but only for PS4 games, so its limited on that console. Works great on Series X though.
@João M. I cant notice any additonal lag and Im real sensitive to that. Ive played everything from side scrolling shooters with my modded stick to modern games with the King kong 2 and everything feels super responsive to me. Its great to be able to use the KK2 on just about any console with the xbox and ps4 adapters.
@João M. I think youll be pleasantly surprised. The KK 2 really is an awesome controller and feels great with the adapter. It lets you use so many other great controllers on the Xbox too. I find myself using the KK 2 more than my Elite 2 lately. No deadzone setting is incredible for many games.
@João M. Yea, same with me. I went through so many Elites and Elite 2's that I have to get a best buy warranty on each just to keep up with the replacements. It ends up costing more to keep buying the warranties. They only last 3-6 months on average for me and I play alot more than just Xbox. Even the model 2's still get that stick drift, even though they seemed to fix the bumpers somewhat and the rubber peeling. The deadzone is very noticable too. The KK2 is much smoother even without the deadzone feature. Its super impressive that a 60 dollar controller actually feels better than the Elite in alot of ways, may be more durable and also feels much better than the 180 dollar Razer Wolverine. That controller had a cheap feel to it and doesnt compare with this one either. I returned that one after a few months. The KK2 feels great on PS4 too using it on the PS5 with the Brooke adapter for that console. Would be nice if it gets updated someday to work with PS5 games too. Enjoy the controller
@Νίκος Παναγιωτόπουλος Ive been using this controller on Xbox Series X with that Wingman XB adapter with no issues. I even used that adapter to use it on Xbox 360. I dont detect any input lag and it feels great to use. You just have to press a button on the top of the controller until it vibrates to make sure its in the right mode for Xbox, the adapter picks it up right away once you do that. Very easy to set up and use. I set the Series X to co-pilot mode so I can swap between that controller and the Elite controller at any time as well, depending on what controller feels better for which games. It allows both controllers to be used at once, but completely optional. If you want to use this controller on PS5 you can only use it for PS4 games on that console. There's a bigger limitation there.
@Νίκος Παναγιωτόπουλος Any time brother. Ah , right. I missed that part. Im not sure when Microsoft itself will officially support the controller. I wasnt even thinking about that. I never expect these companies to comply, ha ha. It would be nice to use it wireless on the Xbox, but I always feel like wired is a little more responsive, less input lag. Seems logical atleast. So I dont mind. I already had the XMB adapter. Its awesome for using my modded joysticks and 8bitdo M30 , so all I needed was this controller. If you dont sit close to the console you might just want to get a real long USB-C cable and you probably wont even notice the cable. Hope you enjoy the controller.
The last comment was on the wrong video. This video is great too. U earned my sub little homie. Way better than review tech USA. It's been like a decade since that dude has reviewed any American made/designed tech.
bought this controller yesterday, and my god this controller feels amazing to use. As a pure mouse and keyboard user for more than 20+ years these analog is very precise to my liking. I didn't notice any issue on the sticks is mentioned in the video with zero deadzone off/on. I can say QC might have improve, my unit is very well built with the only flaw I can find is the B button letter is not centered. I don't really mind though even the letter arrangement is not for PC(mostly blacked out if you dont really look at them). I did upgrade the v3.9 firmware and v1.12 cpu update before using it.
I'm a MKB player as well. I just ordered it and looking forward to trying the gyro capabilities in Steam. It will hopefully pair good with my gaming laptop.. I can't see why it wouldn't. Glad you like the product.
@@z4xarhis the only complaint about it right now is that I dont like the abxy buttons at all. Its not responsive enough when playing competitive shooter but its not what its designed for so I'll give it a break. Btw, if you feels like your sticks or not on point or zr zl feels mushy try the auto calibrate function.
@@enwz96 I just received mine today. I switched the abxy buttons to match Xbox and left everything else stock. A buddy of mine who's a controller only player, sadly admitted that the Gulikit felt smoother and higher quality compared to his $180 Elite controller. I had fun testing the new pad in Steam.. played For Honor and Counter Strike with it. Really good purchase so far.
you could totally use the APG mode to more consistently pull off combos in fighting games. If there’s a really hard combo you can only pull off once in a while, you can now almost 100% guarantee it with the APG mode
Only issue is the D-pad wasn't stressed test for fighting games. Zangief's screw pile driver move in street fighter 2 doesn't even register, cos the command is too quick for the D-pad to handle
Facts. This is exactly what the combos in a strike pack do. In a shooter you could record your smg and pump set up. Crouch, shoot, switch weapon, jump, pump etc. You get th idea.
Gulikit has announced an adapter for this controller that'll be available within the next month or 2! It's for the Xbox Series X/S and the PlayStation 4 and 5 as far as I know
It doesn't work for Xbox One to my knowledge, and the supported consoles could change before release. So keep that in mind!
Any info on wether the current Cronus ZEN (successor to CronusMax) will support this controller for use on Series or Ps5 console?
Could you solder the Hall effect thumb sticks to another controller like an Xbox or PlayStation controller?
@João M. Thx for that info.
Additionally - I can confirm (tested myself) that the CronusZen WORKS with this controller - at least on Series X!
@VCuda
Yay! Thanks for the review, nice to hear your perspective on this. :)
Somebody please give this man’s mustache back
UPDATE:
Apparently, Gulikit is so proud of these Hall Effect thumbsticks that they're selling Steam Deck replacement stick module version of the ones in these controllers. You can also buy the membrane face-button switches for any controllers you want to mod with it if you're into that stuff.
Old post:
I always thought my Dreamcast analog sticks felt way more accurate than anything that came after it. Kinda learned 20 years later that it has this kind of tech in it apparently.
I like your style. And thanks for bringing this controller to my attention. Hall effect is making a comeback in keyboards too.
Love it! Vcuda the best source of quality honest reviews on the internet. Happy to see you posting bro.
Hopefully, this sparks a movement like what we saw with mechanical keyboards in the past 10 years. No more cheap, crappy analog sticks.
I'd love to see you review the XIM NEXUS. I've been an Alpha tester on the project for 3 years or so. You can tune the thumbsticks to have no directional drift, insanely small deadzone, and the best part is you can make and curve shape you want on any game.
Bro how the fuck do you still only have 60k you deserve way more these videos are super well made, entertaining and very useful
First time seeing this channel, love the vibe here.
Actually getting gyro is pretty huge to me as well, as someone who's learned to love it playing Splatoon.
Finally someone who understands that deadzones are ass! And the reason I started to hate analog sticks.
Bought this controller about a week ago (so naturally youtube starts recommending me videos about it). The APG has come in so handy for me with Dreamlight Valley and COOKING!!! It's saved my fingers cooking up pumpkin puffs. If/when I go back to animal crossing it would also come in handy for mass crafting things too, so even though I probably wont have much use for the APG otherwise it definitely saves your fingers from those tedious tasks!
Also the firmware I would recommend doing if you purchase this controller, my left joystick was 16.5% error on the gamepad testing site but after the firmware update (which was super easy btw) both joysticks are now super smooth!
Thank you, I was looking for a real review of this controller, and I trust you
The outro a game changer love it bro and keep it up. 🔥🔥🔥💯👌🏾
There are PROBABLY good reasons for not having a headphone jack:
* Bluetooth is incredibly unreliable and has been for well over the past 10 years. Some devices just refuse to pair due to 'incompatibility issues' that will never ever get fixed. I've been running into this for 14 YEARS.
* Writing firmware is REALLY hard. Trust me. I write software. Now just imagine writing firmware with non-trivial features that must communicate reliably via the lowest cost bluetooth chips that you can get. Chips that have software AND hardware bugs you have to work around.
* Maybe the Bluetooth spec doesn't even support devices that function as both audio AND input device?
* Putting a 'headphone jack' in a device means you have to support that FOR ALL PLATFORMS. Imagine finding out AFTER you purchase this thing that you can't use the headphone jack on android because it's "unsupported". That would be unacceptable.
* TODAY, Bluetooth audio is high latency, low-quality and some devices use proprietary codecs that aren't supported everywhere leading to even more compatibility issues.
tl;dr: Bluetooth sucks. This is why I still use a headphone jack on all my devices.
Honestly, if you can't make a device that provides quality audio in all situations, then it's very good reasoning to just not support audio at all.
Disappointing your customers is worse than being upfront about a feature not being available.
Imagine how your brand looks if you put a giant warning on the box that said "only supports audio on windows!"
That'd put me off from buying it because I'd assume it'd be low-quality crap.
tl;dr: This might be done to not disappoint customers.
I'd love to see photos of the PCB. Perhaps there's still solder pads and traces on the PCB for a headphone jack and they just decided to not ship this feature.
Who knows? Maybe this will get resolved in later iterations?
I just picked one of these up, so far reasonably impressed with it and hoping the reliability will mean longer life and less E-waste. Mine even came with the replacement xbox layout ABXY button set and a little button puller!
The zero deadzone thing, I think I'm gonna contact Gulikit to request a feature of "reduced deadzone mode" in between the default deadzone size and zero. The option to just have some very small deadzones could really help with it's life as the mechanical components of the sticks will inevitably eventually wear and introduce at least tiny amounts of drift when using zero deadzones, even if the sensors themselves are immune to drift. They seem to have been pretty good with firmware updates so far, and I can say the firmware update process is really easy (literally just plug it in, press a button combo, a drive appears, you drop the firmware update file in, done) so I hope they may improve the feature set further!
You can use a software that adds a deadzone to your controller btw
@@rocky-zx6kq what is it?
@@ImVine_RL uhhhmm search it on youtube I guess, I forgor 💀
Awesome work man I base most of my controller purchases on your reviews so this is a win for me and my pc/switch
Best Controller Review Channel out there honestly, I wish you more success and growth Vcuda! Always looking forward to your videos. You helped me make some good choices. (Even though all controllers are dogshit 💀)
No way, a positive controller review?
Hell yeah!
Your channel has such a retro vibe
I salute the effort they put there and yours for the constructive criticism.
I'll looking forward to see if a version with back paddles could come out.
Im rocking both the Fusion Pro and Wolverine Ultimate.
I daily the Fusion pro because i like the analogs better and the Wolverine buttons and triggers are too fast.
Fusion Pro - Driving and Survival games
Wolverine - Fighting and Shooters
I liked fusion pro 1 more than 2, unfortunately eventually got drift
@@meurumtrain4747 damn, I still using my fusion pro 1. Mostly for conan exiles.
Only thing more reliable than this controller is vCuda controller reviews, believe it👍
i was listening to some music
i swear the beat dropped when u uploaded
Boom Lol
Thanks for this. I and the other controller videos you uploaded. As a result I ended up ordering this controller on Alliexpress a day or two ago so hopefully it should be here next month. Oh I paid $50 Canadian moneys shipping included.
I think the GK KK 3 might be coming out at some point? so I suspect their trying to get rid of old stock.
Also thanks for your links, I downloaded the v5.1 firmware ahead of time and hopefully it's a useful thing to have.
Best controller I’ve ever bought but not saying much since I’ve never spent over 80. Very annoying having to by an adapter but the wingman adapter works great and have had no issues.
Your reviews are fire bro, good shit! Keep it up 👍🏻
That game recording feature would be dope to use in elden ring on that spot you can farm that crow by mogwhyns palace.
I would use the auto pilot mode for Destiny 2 XP Grinding on the moon
This has been in my Amazon wish list for ages but only so I can keep an eye out for an Xbox version. It needs trigger stops and a couple paddles/buttons on back an I am ALL OVER IT - side note, whilst the Gambit does not have exactly a 'premium' feel, it is the most comfortable controller I have EVER held, for my hands. It's impossible to please everybody
If they make an xbox/ps4 version without paddles you can perhaps use an extreme rate dawn kit or something to add back buttons. I haven't tried their Xbox one been using their dawn remap kit for about 3 years on ps4 and it works really well. Downsides being having to take your controller apart to install/fix, not being able to easily swap it to new controllers and the ribbon cable seems to bend and start to mess up after a few years of owning it for me (cable costs $5 though)
This looks incredible, no deadzone mode looks insane. I need to test this out eventually.
Finally after 7 yrs it's in my recommendation
Love your presentation style and the way you present information, subscribed.
non pro user here. this controller is a gem.
They should make the stick modules for the thrustmaster eswap pro as they are all sold out and you can only buy them as a packet deal with extra triggers, dpad, and handle colors for like 40$. Their durability plus price point for these would be S tier.
I would like to see this, but I can't see them being made with thrustmaster's approval. Thrustmaster's model for the eswap is to get you to keep rebuying sticks. Giving people hall effect magnet sticks to just plug in could kill that revenue stream.
Things that I've loved about this controller since I bought it.
- no deadzones feel amazing. Its the first time for me using a thumbstick like this and it feels so surreal.
- The thumbstick texture feels so good
- the buttons feel clicky but not annoying
- the triggers feel great and weighty
This is what I dislike
- on PC, it defaults to using the - and + buttons for home and menu buttons.
did you test it on nintendo switch? is no deadzone feeling the same on it?
TH-cam recommended me this channel. I instantly subscribed after the intro. I laughed so hard. Good stuff. 😆🤣
Thank you man for all the things you do, I know a lot about how controller work and what different things do.
Thanks for the nice review and good vibes cuda! Waiting for your next video.
Hopefully this forces other controllers to use the same tech
The amount of Pokémon eggs I don’t have to worry about hatching is the biggest plus to the repeat feature.
こんにちは！私は日本のコントローラビルダーです！あなたの動画はとても参考になります！これからも動画を楽しみにしています！
Always nice to see overseas fans!
Hey vCuda have you seen the FlyDigi Apex 2? Four back buttons, two extra shoulders, two extra face buttons in the ABXY region, gyro, the BXY (not A) is on a circlepad-like slider for additional inputs, plus support for macros. Four menu buttons, power switch, and a dedicated pairing button, two stick heights plus the sticks have a loose metal ring to act as a bearing between the stick and gate, the face plates come off for dongle storage and a BXY slider locking ring.
I'm not sure why A isn't included on the circle pad cluster. The way it functions is a button press activates slider input, so you basically get a full dedicated joystick per button. I've seen this used for leaning and crouching on a single input, weapon swapping, I'm sure it could be used as a radial menu (similar to what Steam Input allows) for switching between a range of items within a hotbar, etc. But the cool thing is, even if you set the slider to only cardinal directions, that's +12 functions within the ABXY cluster. I know it's marketed more towards mobile games, as touch and drag is a very common input method, thus why the slider exists, but it's also usable on PC, and another content creator, BoomBakalous, has a ton of content on PC functionality and mapping with this controller.
The controller is definitely beyond typical 'pro' controller features, but it might be up your alley, even if it isn't it's still an interesting product that allows for atypical control schemes, it'd be an interesting content piece nonetheless. Plus I honestly want to see your thoughts and long term thoughts on it. There seems to be stock issues everywhere outside of AliExpress, it's a Chinese company so that's to be expected, but an $80-$90 controller with all this functionality sounds like an absolute banger if it's durable long term; honestly I don't know how they're selling it for that price at all, even eBay resellers are sub-$150, and that's still a considerable price given the functionality. Hopefully stock issues get resolved, because this is one of the most interesting controllers I've seen. Edit: Amazon has it stocked again, I guess this controller's availability fluctuates, $95 currently.
As for the controller and company here, things are interesting.
This is by far the best hall effect implementation yet. Dreamcast used hall sensors but they were made in such a way where the more modern stick-click design would not work, and the PS3 hall-ish sensors, they were actually an inductance-based system, were overly complicated and required additional ICs to drive the circuit and amplify or process the signal for the microcontroller to read; hell, the PS3 sticks were misunderstood for the longest time, everyone assumed there was a hall sensor in the pot housing, but it was actually just a PCB with some traces for the inductance circuit. This design, though, is clearly just a minimal change solution for the modern stick housing, and cuts the Dreamcasts' four sensor per stick design (which Ben Heck has replicated recently) down to two sensors per stick like the PS3 sticks, but with actual hall effect sensors, which are arguably better than the inductance circuits the PS3 sticks had. As for the button mechanisms, I don't understand them at all, sure we all want mechanical switches for controllers, but this is just a spring box that actuates the same rubber dome contact switch, other than button springback, it does nothing special, it's implementation just about invalidates the original concept. APG would be useful for repetitive tasks, like farming in games, or how we used to AFK games by rubber banding a stick. No companion software is actually huge though, so many of these expanded feature set controllers, not remap paddles but actual complex features, seem to always have companion software; which personally I don't mind, something as complex as the FlyDigi Apex 2 for example honestly needs some kind of companion software for it's expanded feature set, but on something simpler like the KK2P no companion software makes sense.
Though there is an important caveat, the non-pro variation. Non-pro gets the older style of grip texture, which seems to be worse as far as I can tell. No NFC for Amiibo support, though NFC on PC could have cool uses if you're emulating anything that uses NFC, plus niche uses on PC. From what I can interpret, which I could be incorrect as there seems to be Chinese-English translation mistakes, Android (Not iOS?) and PC don't get gyro support; the 'gyro aim assist' feature is missing, but what even is gyro aim assist, I take this as meaning stick + gyro where stick is coarse control and gyro is fine control, as it is in most shooters that support gyro, but if this feature is missing wouldn't all gyro features be missing as well, it's a confusing situation that needs to be cleared up. Along without the option for no deadzones or sensor tuning. APG I'm not sure about, I don't remember seeing it mentioned in their marketing materials, but this seems like it'd be an advanced 'pro' feature like sensor tuning. For $20 less, still a solid controller, but an important thing to mention when going over feature sets.
Now the interesting part of Gulikit, they're supplying their stick design to other companies. Aya has at least one of their handheld PCs using it, Gulikit is making replacement Steam Deck stick kits, Gulikit has made Joy Con (and I assume 3DS circle pad and potentially PSP/Vita sticks are lumped here as well) replacements using hall sensors. Gulikit also provides replacement spring boxes, a button kit to swap the KK2/KK2P layout from Switch to Xbox. Who knows what else they have in store for the future. Gulikit is taking their shit _extremely_ seriously, it's not just that they're trying to combat drift in one product, they're attempting to do so within the market.
Which leads me to believe, since they seemingly already have Valve replacement parts, this might push other companies to switch to hall sensors. I wouldn't be surprised if the Elite Series 3 has hall sticks as their next big move. I wouldn't be surprised if Gulikit replaces ALPS in a lot of the Chinese manufacturers, as Gulikit themselves is a Chinese manufacturer; hell, this might push ALPS to get their shit together. I wouldn't be surprised if by next gen, hall sticks are quality standard. Gulikit could be making some big, big moves right now. Gulikit also seems to be on board with right to repair, which may be a significant push for more repairable products within the industry
Honestly, I think there's even potential to improve further. The sticks for example, they use a typical off-the-shelf metal housing with the stick gimbal. The third cause of drift could be fixed with a slightly different design, as the centering spring design really isn't all that great. A coil spring is meant for compression, sometimes extension, but never really axial bending or planar skewing. A torsional spring on the gimbal axes itself would be better, though a bit harder to implement and not really a swappable component if someone wants a heavier or lighter stick; you'd have to swap the gimbal itself, not just a spring, as the design would more than likely be based on plastic compliance. Besides a more complex design, manufacturability should be relatively the same, but this would potentially far extend the spring life of a stick. Plus there's potential for this design to evolve how stick click is implemented, if we can move the switch to be under the stick, this would be better than having the switch opposite of one of the pots, this could also prevent the skewing issue, as the current design actuates the switch while keeping the pot rigid, and could potentially make switch click easier to actuate while the stick itself is tilted. There's potential there, I'd be curious to see if Gulikit keeps evolving their design. There's also potential for evolution of the implementation of capacitive sticks, as Valve's Steam Deck's implementation is a bit jank. There's also potential for other components, like evolving the spring boxes to be actual mechanical switches, etc. Personally, one thing I want to see in product evolution, is the move from soldered stick housings to clip-in housings, that way if anything does happen _anyone_ can replace it without the need for soldering equipment and skills, this could further revolutionize things.
The company's future has a high potential for being very interesting, and there's a lot of potential to see how big moves like this affect the wider industry, not just from Gulikit but other companies doing atypical designs as well.
Bro this is amazing but how long did this take you to write?
@@jamesbarron4376 Not all that long, all things considering. Without the additional line breaks, it's a 2+ page wall of text in typical formatting, which is akin to high school essay length. But also keep in mind what I've typed out could also be condensed into a five minute video, text as a format is long and inefficient, fully scripted videos can easily become a page per minute depending on the content. It might seem long, but a lot of people also don't go into depth on topics beyond a sentence or two, and the original content rarely fully covers topics like this mostly due to time constraints involving the viewer's attention spans; people should be enticed to have intelligent conversation, sadly nearly every platform doesn't promote the idea of it. For example, no content creator, hell nobody promoting the product on any platform, seems to point out the $50 variant of this controller, which is an important thing to point out when people are potentially buying this. For another example, nobody doing content on this controller specifically goes into detail of how hall sensors work, how previous implementations worked and what their downsides are, and how this implementation is arguably the best for the stick housings we currently use. For yet another example, nobody's really talking about the way forward from here, topics like further improvements, topics like how this company is supplying parts to other vendors and supplying repair parts themselves, how them being a vendor might affect the market, etc. Conversation on nearly every platform has become, for lack of a better term, unintelligent, due to a variety of reasons. Intelligent conversation is also important for societal reasons, and stifling it leads to less than favorable outcomes, yet people don't want to engage in it due to platforms enticing people not to do so.
Bought the gambit cause of you and so far I like it its just taking some time getting used to. I no longer buy power A... been screwed by them 3 times now
Hi vcuda you have persuaded me to get the razor wolverine ultimate for my birthday thanks so much for the review it really helps and I think you should be a bigger tech channel your really underrated your such a good tech channel thank you
Perfect Tekken combo all day
I've had this controller for few months now and I love it. The turbo and macro or whatever it's called I pretty much only use in Animal Crossing to all the repetitive stuff you have to do. I main Xbox and hope they follow through with the it able to work on Xbox but for the time being it's been my main work horse on my Switch. It even feels good playing Smash and older N64 games.
I just found your channel and I really enjoy your content I just wanted to say this
When King Kong comes out with a pro version, with trigger stops and rear paddles for about $100, they will get alllllll of my money.
Um isn't this already a pro? Full name is GuliKit King Kong pro 2
I recommended this to gamer heaven and he said he had it in his closet and was going to review it in the future but I guess I can watch you another honest reviewer and yes you are both my favorite reviewers ok I promise.
okay so first time here, and i really hope you have a guide/top/recom of the best controllers to buy, cause i loved this review.
I'd totally pick this controller up if they make a series X/S variant (hopefully something close to the stock X/S controller because of battery options)
Your show is fantastic, you are fantastic, your jacket is not fantastic! ;) Keep up the great work!
YOU are fantastic! 👏
That APG is goated 👀especially since it records up to 10 minutes, appreciate the vid as always Cuda
This kid is funny! Don't box yourself into controller reviews!
Definitely agree. Hes got a great way of speaking.
Hey man its Exo glad to see you
So glad you reviewed this, since I was skeptical on this controller because of the lack of reviews, and you're the only gamepad reviewer I have any faith in. I'll definitely be ordering one.
Don't get it if you intend to use it for fighting games.
@@CandarianGaming I don't play fighting games, but if I did I'd probably use a vintage Neo Geo controller or Sega Saturn controller.
@@GigaWojak Fair enough. It's a great PC controller though. It functions identically to an xbox controller or a switch pro controller would depending on the mode you put it in, as steam supports both controllers.
@@CandarianGaming Does it have to be in Switch Pro mode for the gyro to work on PC? Every Nintendo/Playstation controller I own requires the use of controller emulators like DS4Windows, ReWASD, or the ones built into Steam to get gyro aiming. I wouldn't expect gyro to work in Xinput mode but it would be amazing if it did.
@@GigaWojak The controller in Xinput mode does have a built in gyro feature but it's not good. Just a very limited right stick motion emulator with 3 settings. It obviously has steam support when in switch pro mode which is a million times better if you want to use gyro. I tried it that way with CSGO and it was flawless.
Can one use this controller with a wired connection?
Also, is it overclockable? If it is then it’s a must buy for me
He said call of duty players on pc would have a field day and I had to contain myself 😮💨 Ijust waranteed my razer chroma but Imean this thing lookin kinda fye
I haven't experienced drift yet, but if they would sell those thumbstick sensors would be great as a replacement.
They sell replacements for steam deck and working on a joycon one
They can't do it on other controllers tho because of how they designed it
I love you’re humor, wish you covered PlayStation shit but I watch anyway cuz you’re the best at theese types of videos
Boy got the back to the future jacket
Love the knight rider car😍
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Thank you!
Can you compare the wolverine v2 chroma and the victrix gambit
Always excited to see a VCuda notification
Thanks for having notis on man
Fully rubberized? Oh boi, can't wait wait for that wear off or turn to goop over time
Convince them to make one for us Xbox children.
The thing I like about these companies and the like such as Victrix is it's going to make the other controller brands lift their game on what their shovelling out.
Xbox children?
@@WilliamHoskins08 11:55
They are bringing out an adapter which will allow the controller to work on xbox/playstation
You can get an adapter to use it on xbox and playstation
@@CandarianGaming really? Awesome
Great video man! Not sure how I hadn't come across you earlier. Subbed!
Setting up macros on a controller to go afk in grindy games, not having stick drift and having long lasting buttons and triggers also. Only needs PS5 compatibility, back paddles and headphone jack to be my dream controller. Trigger click functionality would be cool too
Yes! You did it! Keep up the work my man.
that feature so op for farming in games like elden ring
Interesting controller 🤔🧐
Will you be reviewing the new hyperkin duke 20th anniversary xbox controllers? Love the channel and keep up the good work.
Planned obsolescence or something like that. Learned that shit started with the invention of the lightbulb.
I have this controller and strictly play Warzone with it on PC. The sticks and triggers are amazing. I am also a keyboard and mouse player. I switch on and off. The sticks feel like a mouse that's how sensitive they are. The one knock against this controller are the ABXY buttons, they did slightly stick. But there was a firmware and CPU update recently and now they are actually over sensitive, usually noticeable while in game menus. Overall I definitely recommend this controller. Will definitely be buying the Xbox adapter for it.
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the quality of your videos are always nice. unfortunately you didn't mention the biggest negative point. input lag... i've seen videos where the rate is supposed to be abysmal. can you check this again?
Unfortunately I can't really test response times, or overclocking. I've tried both and I cant get them to work. I've heard one or two complains about this, and I haven't noticed too much personally, but thete may be some truth to the claim
Someone with more experience Overclocking and testing response times could probably find out though
@@vCuda Thanks for the quick feedback. Will wait with the purchase. Sorry for the weird spelling of my comment, google translator is trying its best. Buoy mustache long ponytail
Hey cuda, if you ever get the chance, I would seriously recommend reviewing the Razer Huntsman V2 Analog (the analog part is very important there. You can essentially bind your WASD to controller inputs so that your keypress isn't either 100% or 0% all the time, but gradually increases as you press the key. I tried it out on some driving games as well as a couple FPS games, and even though it's expensive, I do not regret the purchase at all.
Edit: and I would use the APG for either zero tick farms in Minecraft, or really hard fighting game infinite combos (cheating, but would be fun to try once or twice)
wooting 60HE is waaaay better
@@GoldenEagle0007 does it have analog switches?
@@GoldenEagle0007 Wait what it isnt even out yet and no offense but it looks like one of those kickerstarter items that fail miserably on release
I really want one, I had the original Huntsman Elite for a while and I LOVED it!
The Wooting keyboards have analog switches for all its keys, way better than razors offering.
I know this is probably going to sound like a stupid question, but would you be able to take the joysticks out of the controller and put them in others? Or the modules to different for that to work.
I'm sure my buddy would use the recorded gameplay feature to get his platinum trophy for Skater XL, players have to skate so many KM and PS doesn't tell you how much you have left, but I've done calculations, I believe its hundreds of hours to do this trophy with out glitches
love ur vids bro. Can you review the new Turtle Beach React R controller. It seems like a gen 2 version of the Recon controller
The only use I can think of for the APG (for me anyway) would be to let it do all my boring bulk crafting in RPGs. Set it up and let it do its thing while I go eat 😂
It's odds cause most of us if stick drift wasn't an issue would actually buy more controllers cause there wouldn't be a concern about it.
The record function thing could be used to "cheat" in fighting games, for hard combos etc. Tekken etc
I believe that stick drift is a controllers biggest hurdle and it blows my mind how some of the most expensive controllers will develop stick drift in just days. However, as exciting as this controller is, I don’t understand how any controller made in 2022 doesn’t come standard with back paddles.
Not many Nintendo controllers come with paddles.
Its made for switch players
Most of them prefer playing with gyro, so they still can somewhat aim while their fingers are on face buttons
@@realislit8064 Yeah, even with the steam controller I never used the back paddles cos I could still aim with the gyro when using face buttons.
I've been calling it the " Gee, You Like It"
Now all we need is to find seller, that sell these analog stick and solder it to our xbox one controller, viola , fix problem.
I love this guy.
You should still buy the product regardless because no matter how objective you think you are, you'll be a lot more objective if you have to justify the money you spent. It's a lot easier to see the negatives in a product you spent money on.
yo... i own one of the controllers and it's gotta be the best controller i've ever owned... so far using it only on the pc but i'll never go back to my xbox controller for pc games after this