How GOOD were Golbat & Crobat ACTUALLY? - History of Golbat & Crobat in Competitive Pokemon
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- GOLBAT & CROBAT! The Bat Pokemon! Is the Crobat evolutionary line as powerful as they are annoying in caves? Join False Swipe Gaming and find out with this brief overview of the competitive History of Golbat & Crobat!
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Notice I said POPULAR formats, meaning a format where there is a significant amount of people who compete in it for tournaments and so on and so forth. Now Popular does not mean official even though two of the formats I will be covering were official formats being Japan Nintendo Cup and VGC, but it is an indicator of what a good portion of competitive players thought was “optimal” at the time. Also sometimes the Pokemon Battle Historia doesn't provide enough information to talk about certain Pokemon so I add Smogon analysis to make sense of it. This is pretty rare though.
To the people asking why I don't cover Smogon Singles for Gens 1 and 2: It wouldn't really be a history video if I covered those because online Smogon gen 1 meta to my knowledge wasn't actually played until late 2000s. I wanted to cover tournaments/competitive battling that was actually played during the early years of Pokemon (late 90s).
To the people asking why I cover Smogon at all for singles: To my knowledge, Smogon was the most popular format for Gens 3-5 and held a number of tournaments throughout the years. As for Gen 6, I am not covering Battle Spot Singles because there is more information and explanations about sets being used relative to their own meta on Smogon. In other words, there are few written analyses about Battle Spot Pokemon besides the Top tiers and I would like to avoid theorycrafting because it may have a hint of bias (though I theorycraft if I REALLY couldn't find information on a certain Pokemon). The keyword here is explanations. Though I did find statistics of most Pokemon used and most moves used, there wasn't really any explanations on why. Also the few Pokemon I did find analysis of for Top Tier Battle Spot Singles had very similar move sets to the Smogon OU sets anyway.
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I remember back in the days of Diamond and Pearl I wanted a crobat in the worse kind of way and I couldn't figure out how to evolve it. So one day, I left all my pokemon behind but me and Golbat and I walked into the distant mountains. For one real life week I trained that Golbat armed with nothing but a bunch of potions and by the end of that week, seeing that Golbat evolve was one of the most beautiful evolutions I had ever seen
i want this to be a movie
Respect
Beautiful. Just poetic.
And powerful
I remember I heard some guy on TH-cam say that Crobat was a good Pokemon so in my platinum run, I caught a Lvl. 5 Zubat, and with Leech Life, Super Sonic, and sheer will power, I got it up to Lvl. 10, gave up, and just caught a Golbat later in my playthrough.
As someone who was part of the suspect test, Crobat wasn't really banned for being unpredictable in 4th gen UU. It was banned because the set Brave Bird/Taunt/U-Turn/Roost was weirdly unbeatable. Crobat's 4x resistances to Fighting, Grass, and Bug and immunity to Ground and Toxic meant it had no trouble finding chances to switch in, and once it did, it just put a stop to whatever you were doing. Support Pokemon get taunted, defensive Pokemon were a chance to heal, and frail attackers got the Bird, which all worked because nothing was faster than Crobat. The set doesn't look like much, but it was super oppressive to play against.
@Bblurre I'd say max speed and max attack
Woah Crobat Has THREE ×4 resistances!?
On an unrelated note, Heatran has Five Quadresists, Bug, Grass, Ice, Steel and Fairy as well as an Immunity to Fire (Flash Fire) and Poison. No wonder Heatran is one of the best mons in competitive.
Poison is a great defensive type
@@butteredsalmonella To Grass, Bug, and Fighting. All which recieved better attacks at that point, especially Fighting.
@@butteredsalmonella I really wish game freak makes a bulky poison - flying
Good god crobats old 3d console models were hideous
Yea the lower jaw is completely fucked
I love the size of him in those games. He’s nearly the size of Aerodactyl!
Reminds me of Oddworld: Strangers Wrath
@@Jewgoo thats actually true crobats a fucken giant its 8ft
Wtf is that teeth
0:58 this is like something you find drawn on the walls of public toilets
Waaayyy too underrated
@@brendanstreecko7847 Yeah
6:11 jesus, what a picture to tab in on
Terrifyingly Ugly
Crobat is my fav pokemon but jesus its ugly in colloseum 2 and battle revolution
😂😂
Looks like Batman has become Monster
Not uglier than Golbats gen 1 sprite
I like Golbat's Gen 1 sprite.
**runs away**
Darkness *you couldn’t run away*
Someone on Smogon forums did a sprite fusion of it and RB Geodude when that was a trend (it was like around Halloween IIRC)... Wish I saved it =/
Me too. I wish it kept the tongue :(
There was actually a reason why the sleep talk set was decent (albiet gimicky) in gen 3. In gen 3, when put to sleep, there's a sleep counter that is set imidiately when induced and the counter goes down every turn you stay asleep, but there's a weird glitch that happens with sleep talk in gen 3. If, let's say, the sleep status was going to put crobat to sleep for 4 turns, if you use sleep talk and then switch out, the counter resets. This means if you sleep talk for 3 turns, switch out, switch back in, you can still sleep talk for 3 more turns until you wake up. This also applies to rest as well, which is why Rest/Talk was still a viable option after gen 2, and why these sets pretty much died off after gen 2 and 3. But anyways, This is why this gimmick set exists. You are guaranteed to whirlwind a set amount of times every time Crobat switches in for the rest of the battle given Crobat doesn't faint or accedently wake up. The gamble here was you don't know how many turns your opponent put you to sleep for, so if u wake up on accident before switching, then crobat is essentially useless, which is why it was never used seriously. This is also why some choice band users had sleep talk in gen 3, like Herracross.
This post is all the proof you need that Gamefreak is lazy as fuck and they completely don't pay attention to shit like this
See Gen 1 for Instructions.
KnightofFunnyJunk I'm no programmer, but I'm sure the way they programmed sleep in this game had something to do with the pokemon not attacking. Like maybe there's a counter that updates for sleeping party pokemon and it will only update if they don't attack or something. It's probably not bad programming, just an oversight within it.
Another thing that I feel like should have been talked about what Hypnosis on Crobat in gen 4. In Diamond, Pearl, and PBR, Hypnosis was, for whatever reason 70% accurate as opposed to 60% in every other generation or games. This was fixed in Platinum and HG/SS (to my knowledge the only fix between the gen ever) but in D/P meta, crobat had a nitch as being the fastest hypnosis user in the game, temporarily giving it enough usage to be OU in the early days of DP. Infact, if you played on console, if the host player is on D/P and playing vs Platinum, it uses the 70% accuracy, but ofc all simulators use the Pt accuracy. Anyways, it was such an important change that really depleted any sort of usage from crobat, as prior to the change, the Nasty Plot set was a force to be reckoned with, and just standard Physical variants could set something to sleep and get switch initiative with U turn as the opponent switched their sleeping pokemon. It honestly was a shame that it was removed for crobats sake, then again I wouldn't want to deal with 70% hypnosis from a gengar either, so I guess it was a good fix.
@@KnightofFunnyJunk Could you not show unnecessary hate/bias?
Crobat is one of the very few Pokemon dual types to only take 1/4 damage from 3 or more types: FIGHT, GRA, & BUG. And in today's meta game double resisting both fighting and grass is pretty sweet~
What Crobat has always really needed is the elemental Fang moves so it could like abuse physical variant of the boltbeam combo am i rite?
Big Toblerone Yeah, that would be neat.
It even makes sense considering bats are known for their fangs.
The fangs moves are just too weak especially on a Pokemon that isn't strong.
Yeah I dont think the fang moves change anything really
And it's also resistant to Fairy and poison ... not to mention immunity to ground, and against toxic.
check out the video "Crobat of destruction" with Confuse ray + Double Team + Toxic + Giga Drain + leftovers ... it's strong.
@@irokosalei5133 that crobat is why we don't see the battle frontier a lot nowadays
0:35 when i was a child I taught golbat evolved at level 35 because both of the golbats I trainer evolved at that level, lol
in X, I caught a shiny Zubat, it evolved into Crobat at level 23.
Zubat evolves into Golbat at level 22.
(Other note: Korrina was a pushover with him and Doublade)
Takanashi yeah, the only damage Korrina can do to you is Rock Slide on her Machoke if you have a Honedge/Doublade. I just set up 3 Swords Dances, and then spammed Aerial Ace.
@@snorIaxatives Rock tomb*
@@butteredsalmonella damn I struggled on her a lot
My golbat evolved at level 23
How good was Dugtrio actually? Considering its ability has historically been super controversial and its Gen 7 singles history is really interesting I think that one would be pretty cool.
Dugtrio would really be interesting, with it's high crit ratio in gen1 and the -admittedly gimmicky- combo with durant.
Please do kangaskhan
False swipe gaming please do how good was kangaskhan
I feel like it would be pretty much like magnezone, trapping and killing electric types except for Zapdos and Jolteon (assuming the Jolteon predicted right)
Look up Cancer Stall and Double Defog Stall teams, dugtrio is awesome
Crobat is my favorite pokemon
Me too
That makes a lot of sense
And Golbat is my least favorite Pokémon.
FAIRY TAIL FOR LIFE I hate Golbat more because of Confuse Hax.
FAIRY TAIL FOR LIFE It’s a favorite of the Gens 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, and 7 evil teams and your rival in the Johto games.
Crobat put the entire world in lockdown,
Sounds overpowered to me, ubers
I named my crobat «corona»
@@hulias3107 u cant
Well i named it cobonavirus
@@hulias3107 actually it was not confirmed that the bat was the cause of covid19 I bet that it was man made
@@emperorhirohito4435 Your stupidity made me lose brain cells
@@hulias3107 dude yes they said it was from bats but I'd it really true that it was or they are trying to cover up the truth have you ever think of that
Don’t forget the many Infiltrator Eviolite sets for Golbat - it was RU in Smogon because of it, despite it being a pre-evolution
I love crobat. Its fast, can poison and confuse its enemies and he looks badass. 👍 sorry for my english i dont know if its correct😂
"and even hypno, DESTROYED It."
Hypno had a 115 special in gen 1, so... OHKO is guaranteed.
and spoiler alert hypno wasn't good or great it was just bad. outclassed by every single psychic pokemon, and even venomoth, a bug that is weak to hypno, destroyed it with its powrful stab bug moves even yanma, scizor,scyther. and do not forget, umbreon also destroys it with its stab move dark pulse it received in gen 2. so there are a lot of psychic mons to use over hypno, so hypno is bad, but mediocre.
@@louissejosephcarino1569 the comment is talking about gen 1 and you are talking about gen2+
@@louissejosephcarino1569 wow it was almost like they were talking about gen 1
@@louissejosephcarino1569 also that final line “so hypno is bad, but mediocre” what
I think crobat knows crunch for coverage.
I always saw your videos on my recommended long time ago and I just clicked at one. No regrets, it's really good i wish i knew before :(
Clicked *at* one?
Togemon XD same
0:57 that reaction to Golbat's sprite has me weak 😂
You KNOW your Pokemon is ugh-ly if FSG switched your red and blue sprite with yellow
Honestly? I'd Love To See You Do A Mini-Marathon where you Do Your fave Pokemon of Each Gen.
How good was Wobbuffet ACTUALLY?
UU to Ubers to PU in its lifespan, I wanna hear that story
i want himiko to stab me in the urethra No Shadow Tag -> Shadow Tag -> Banned Shadow Tag + power creep
wooooobbuuuuffeet
The thing was meant to be a wall and get hit, it could take so much punishment and throw it back, sometimes twice as hard. Didn’t it get banned because of that? It couldn’t go on the offensive and it was a waiting game Pokémon so their battles could last a really long time sometimes.
Technically, Wobbuffet is still in Ubers (Shadow Tag is banned in Smogon)
Fist-of-doom It was due to Shadow tag preventing switches to things that could easily deal with Wobbuffet. It was a lot harder to deal with before the physical/special, which brought more mixed attackers, and power creep, which brought a ton of things that could safely remove it.
My first ever shiny was a Golbat that I caught on my Pearl and I still have it, but now it lives on my UltraSun and enjoy the sun of alola and fairies to destroy them😊
Luisa Gerenaldo i had a shiny goldbat on the emerald version, best day ever :(
I caught a shiny Golbat in Turnback Cave on Platinum
I know very few people tend to like golbat but it is honestly one of my favorite pokemon. Such a difference from its first form and fun to play, I never played competitively though. Liked crobat at first but tend to keep an ever stone in golbat if I can
You are not alone, man. I keep Golbat on my main 6 favorite Pokemon of all time.
I'm a bit biased since I love Crobat, but I wish this video could get remade with the newer videos' mindset of taking tiers as they come and praising the abilities of the Pokemon in said tiers. There's nothing to be ashamed of being a UU, RU or NU Pokemon if you excel in there. If I could wish for anything, it's that GF could create specific OU niches for every Pokemon out there. But that's the realm for a creative and inspired trainer!!
I loved it how crobat survived tyranitars rock slide at 8:44. He doesn't look bulky, but he can survive some pretty big hit. For example I used it in soul silver against blue's and bruno's machamps, he survived their stone edges and killed them afterwards, and no he wasn't overleveled. He is a freaking fast puny tank!
Damn, I Keep forgetting how good crobat is
How GOOD was Seadra/Kingdra ACTUALLY? WE NEED THIS.
lol we don't anytime soon. Its such a boring mon.
Yes, I'm so glad someone else wants these two.
@@NeroAngelo616seadra sucks, kingdra was ok, its movepool got better.
Great analysis. Just found your channel so now have a lot of stuff to watch.
I really like all the clips from Pokemon Stadium/Colosseum/etc
Crobat was a fantastic Pokémon. Made Zubat worthwhile
Ikr!
yep. Almost feels as if GF rewarded you for bothering to catch one of those flying pests lol
How GOOD was False Swipe Gaming ACTUALLY? I have a feeling he was OP.
Strawhatya hey, how about you go away if you dont like what he does. or better yet, do this yourself and do better, since its SO easy to do like you just said. we don't want your negativity around here.
Strawhatya
I honestly can't tell whether you're actually upset with his content and you're trying to help him improve or you're just mad that his content wasn't made specifically for you
Strawhatya someone is salty for no reason
Strawhatya It's often seen as childish to cus
Strawhatya Aw, does baby need his bottle?
Do Typhlosion, Meganium, and Feraligatr before moving on to Generation 3! You should always do the generations starters final evolutions before moving on to the next generation!
Feraligatr is UU/RU/NU
Meganium is BL/UU/NU/PU
Typhlosion is BL/RU/NU
To be honest, none of the Gen 2 starters were remotely close to being viable for competitive . They were simply outclassed by every pokemon of their type and of their role. They all have low speed, terrible move pools, and have generally less to offer than most common pokemon.
Feraligatr is easily replaced by other Water sweepers like Gyarados, Meganium by Venusaur in its own generation, Tangrowth, Gourgeist, and Quilladin in others, Typhlosion by Charizard, Delphox, Magmortar.
Gen 2 starters were probably the weakest starters to have in any generation.
gen 2 starters where like gen 1 starters, but worse, much worse
+Marcelo Marcelo
Nope not really. They all had good strengths and weaknesses. You had the incredibly strong but predictable Typhlosion with it's limited moveset. You had the overpowered sheer force/dragon dance Feraligatr paired with a life orb that loses it's recoil effects. Than there's Meganium, which can either be used as a cleric support or a sword dancing tank that is kind of the sticky glue that holds the team together. Meganium is probably the weakest on the offensive side but is certainly not useless thanks to it's strong access of support moves.
On the other hand, I think we can all agree that all three starters definitely need a huge update to there movepool. Or at least give them a signature move to work with.
Gen 2 Starters have potential but their stats and movepools are not good.
Im not the mainstream guy who just hates them cauz of bad tiers and honestly I love to use Meganium and Typhlosion.
I hate Feraligatr cauz its only strengh is that it can ice punch Grass Types but there arent much Water types that cant use Ice moves anyway.
The Problem about the rest is the same as the one of Golbat cauz they are alll real allrounders but they break themself because of it.
Meganium has good coverage (Earthquake and ancient power) but it isnt physical and it isnt special and its moves are very mixed too. So you cant really play a Physical or special Meganium. And all allrounders are bad for EV training cauz you have to cover many stats and you arent allowed to max just 2 to have outstanding stats. You can play eviolite Bayleef but than it loses important coverage and you can play assault vest on it for more bulk and better Ev training or you can make it just bulky with EVs and give it left-overs to put set ups and toxic on it.
Typhlosion has the same EV and stat problems and its very mixed too.
I don't know about you guys but here's my ideas for some Mega Evolutions to improve the Johto starters.
Mega Meganium - Grass/Fairy type - Multiscale - Fairy type is a no brainer and Meganium is meant to be tanky so Multiscale would be perfect. Maybe a increase of Attack/Sp. Attack from 80 to a 100.
Mega Typhlosion - Fire/Psychic type - Magic Guard - Psychic type, for those who don't know this, is possibly Typhlosion's second most recognizable related type because of two things. Typhlosion is one of the few non-psychic type Pokemon that has access to extrasensory and Typhlosion actually has a Psychic regional variant long before Alolan variants showed up. It's called Delta Species from the Pokemon TCG and Typhlosion's alternate typing was Psychic. Plus Psychic/Fire typing sounds pretty badass other than Delphox.
Mega Feraligatr - Water/Dark type - Sheer Force - Feraligatr already works well with sheer force, so he doesn't actually need any further improvements except maybe bulk.
Crobat really needs an buff in its base 90 attack stat. It's been a while since I played the Battle Frontier, but Crobat really helped me out. Its base 130 speed stat came in handy. Plus it has STAB Aerial Ace and it's immune to Toxic. It's hard to believe that it's roughly the same size as Hydreigon.
Can we please get magneton and magnezone?
Berry Pronch Good idea!
I agree
YEA. They're one of the most consistent OU lines to date
I want that too
We want thoseeee
How about the Porygon line next week?
I Am A Duck oh heck no. He's gonna do tentacruel!!!!!!
I want the Tangela line myself
fuck yeah do that.
Yes this must happen
Since Crobat is returning in SWSH’s next DLC, I really hope it’s at least good in UU as well as getting decent VGC usage.
Slightly better than Talonflame
well Crobat was good until a few weeks after it came in SwSh, then it fell to RU.
@@rjbautista9971 talonflame was mediocre.
@@actofcawd209 what makes it bad?
@@yeahmike3847 Well I thought power creep messed it up, but I think Crobat improved a lot since a year ago.
How good was onix+ steelix
How GOOD Was Bidoof ACTUALLY?
10/10 amazing
Itz_Gekkouga I'd give him a 7.8/10. It drinks too much water.
Itz_Gekkouga Bibarel!
He was already a god, why ask how good he is?
didn't he say he wouldn't do Bidoof?
A large No.9 He "was" a god???? "Was"??? You seem to be mistaken, He IS a god and he was a god and will always be a god.
In dual battles, Crobat is good if you have it hold a bitter berry and use an ally to Swagger it, and teach it Brick Break and Leech Life; in the newer versions, they raised the power to 60; or X-Scissor. With a +2 attack stat, it is really good.
Could you please do How good was Misdreavus and Mismagius actually
You always seem to talk about electrode’s speed...
So... How GOOD was Electrode ACTUALLY?!
yes
Electrode is one of the worst most forgettable pokemon in pu
Still waiting on this
Its signature is exploding... Which it's absolutely laughable, unless it's gen 1 and crithaxes you then might be cause for some concern
@Sewon BANG fsg said, it was overshadowed by a lot of electric types
Somehow in gen 7 nu, golbat exists. It was banned from PU somehow.
Leech life
Wonders of Eviolite
how GOOD was slowbro and slowking ACTUALLY?
Dampharos !!!
I agree!
Dampharos !!! they are different so he should do 2 videos
we need them already
I actually love crobat. I played Ruby alot, and I always had a crobat with my Swampert. It as like the super duo.
I love Crobat. Especially in gen 6. Choice banded BraveBird and U-Turn was always shocking and devastating
how good were the eevee evolutions ACTUALLY?
Jolteon: Pretty good
Vaporeon: Pretty good
Flareon: Trash
Espeon: Ok
Umbreon: Annoying
Leafeon: Mediocre
Glaceon: Trash
Sylveon: Pretty good1
You'd have to do them individually, there's so much variance. (Except maybe Leafeon and Glaceon, always been trash.)
Stormpike Lumi exactly what I thought
lherrebout I would most likely just want the original 3 to be reviewed. And maybe umbreon and espeon
TCH I feel like that would make a good 100k sub special.
How GOOD was Slowbro ACTUALLY?
I've been binging your videos in the last few weeks, and I hope you do the Porygon line next. Especially since Eviolite makes that line very interesting across the generations. Keep up the great work!
A whole video on the competitive history of Unown would be amazing.
You covered the 3 birds of Kanto, now cover the 3 beasts of Johto!
IndicaEuphora I thought that said johto birds and I was going to scream because I didn't think there were three but you said beasts so we good I'm not stupid maybe
Magneton & Magnezone would be cool to see next. Great job with all of these videos btw, they've become one of my weekly highlights! I really appreciate the fact that you're so consistent in your release schedule.
How good was Houndoom?
YES D;
how GOOD was Clefable!?
Yes i'm still here! It will come one day DX
Suika Ibuki it was total garbage until 6 generation.
well to be fair, it kept getting new toys every generation like soft boiled and magic guard so it periodically got better and better.
I feel in love with the Crobat line when I had one in my last platinum playthrough, 1 literally had a garchomp and gardevoir on my team and ace (crobat) still wiped the floor with everyone and I took him to a friendship rater and he said something like
“Your crobat is grateful you took a chance on it, most people pass them up” and I nearly cried cause I know exactly how he felt, I catch a zubat every chance I get. I miss you ace
How good was Slowbro or Magneton plz.
S L O W B R O pls
Magneton
Magneton was always great my number 1 favorite pokemon
Magneton is due for a video.
YEEESSSS
gen 1 OU original Exeggutor
I just found your channel, and even though I hardly play Pokemon anymore, this is still very interesting. Keep up the good work!
How good was entei/suicune/raiku
Bad good good.
I remember having a crobat in black 2 and my set was awesome (fly, poison fang (badly poison), protect , and roost) and had black sludge and I could heal with protect and fly black sludge and cripple with toxic from poison fang
Zubat has earned the pokemon communities "favorite nuisance"
I ALWAYS use crobat in my teams, all of my teams, from gen 1 to gen 5 (when i stopped playing) and i loved him
Except Crobat was introduced in Gen 2
CalimityJay973 golbat then smartass
I think it's time to break into Gen 3. How about some Breloom action?
I have been here since the channel was just beginning. The videos have gotten a LOT better! (not to say the videos used to be bad).
I wish it had cross chop as a decent fighting move to stop heatran or other decent Pokémon. Plus it makes sense that he could learn cross chop lol
3:37
F*cking Pikachu was better than Crobat
So was VENOMOTH
Two words: light ball
@@horricule451 nice to see that pikachu was viable somewhere.
Hes with blastoid. Light ball is op
I mean it's easier to slide it inside s rat than inside a flying bat
2:08 Hypno trying to dab there!!
I really wanna see the hitmons 😀
MC Kerosine hitmochan's story is sad since it had the elemental punches but in Gen 1-3 the elemental punches were special and Chan had a terrible special
Terrible.
You're welcome. I saved you the request.
MC Kerosine j
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How good was slowbro pleaseee!
Popeyez Gamer
and raichu and pikachu
In Gen 1: pretty darn defensive. With base 95HP, 110 Defense and a Special stat of 80, AND Amnesia being a thing raising both special attack and special defense back in gen 1, it was pretty good in that part
Slowbro and slowking please
I once used in my OU gen 7 team to reach top 30 on Showdown
nobody expected it, so it had quite the surpirse factor
halving heatrans Hp was really good vor my Lele and Mega Alakazam
I am trying a bulky variant with max special defense and it’s actually working well. It can tank 2 zapdos thunderbolts and hit zapdos back with super fang+poision fang for toxic damage. It’s a bit of a suicide Pokémon, but it gets the job done
Crobat is such a cool Pokemon, makes me happy to have zubats on nuzlocks
How good was pinsir?
He already made that...
Ask Haydunn, he's proof its awesome
Sebastian Mazza who's haydunn?
Hot garbage until Gen 6 where he became one of the most dangerous killing machines because of its Mega Evolution
Honorary mention to gen 1 Golbat for having a microscopic niche in Ubers, walling SwordsDance + Earthquake + SoftBoiled + Explosion Mew sets.
How GOOD was Jolteon ACTUALLY?
How GOOD was Vaporeon ACTUALLY?
How GOOD was Flareon ACTUALLY?
YourAverageGamer and umbreon and espeon
AZUMARIL
6:11 I listen to these on my work commutes and this is what I see when I look down. Thanks for that mental scar, FSG.
If Crobat had a good 20 more points in its attack stat it would actually be pretty awesome given its versatility. I love fast Pokemon and Crobat became one of my favorites in gen 6 and beyond because it can learn some good moves and having a fast poison-type comes in handy with all the fairies running rampant. I especially like that in gen 7 they buffed Leech Life which gives it a great move to kill Dark and Psychic types with while also giving it a bit of sustain.
6:10 Imagine if Crobat was real and it will stab it's sharp fangs into our flesh not only draining blood but causing many infections that would be horrifying.
Confuseray/ Super Fang/Bravebird/ Roost was one of my favorite sets in gen 6 and swept quite a few teams in its run before gen 7 nerfed confusion
I unironically like Golbat's R/B sprite, along with Arcanine and Blastoise
How about Exeggcute AND Exeggutor?
How GOOD was Delibird ACTUALLY?
b99b12 complete trash in every gen
Hustle Fake Out miss.
Real real good
b99b12 Delibird only works for Spikes + Destiny Bond.
For shits and giggles:
Delibird first showed up in Gen 2, where everyone immediately laughed at it. Its typing was poor, its Defenses were laughable, its offenses were lacking, and even TMs couldn't do much. It would have been completely useless if it didn't have access to Spikes and Rapid Spin, thanks to an event and breeding respectively. The best strategy it had was starting with Spikes, following up with Toxic, and then using Thief to swipe the enemy's Leftovers. Ice Beam is the best offensive option it has, and it could also use Hidden Power for a Flying STAB move. Rapid Spin was not a bad idea, since Delibird was the only user of Rapid Spin that wasn't hurt by Spikes, but neither set was that great. Besides, plenty of mons could shrug off Ice Beam due to their typing or at least tank it before obliterating Delibird. So Delibird ended up in Underused.
In Generation 3, Delibird lost the ability to use Spikes, which was a big problem for it. Fortunately, it got the abilities Hustle and Vital Spirit. Of the two, Hustle was more frequently used, since its power boost was sorely needed. Hustle also worked well with the new Aerial Ace, since it ignored the Accuracy loss. Ice Beam was still valuable, and was worth using thanks to its typing and tolerable Special Attack. Quick Attack gave it a way to counter Endeavor users, Focus Punch gave it a decent way of punishing switches, and Rapid Spin was still an option. It might have kept its place in Underused if it could still use Spikes, but was instead demoted to Never Used, though it sometimes saw service in UU.
Gen 4 was the time when things went from bad to worse for Delibird. Not only did Stealth Rock take half of its HP, it also made it useless as a Rapid Spinner. The Aerial Ace and Hustle combo was still essential. Since Ice moves included both physical and special options, Ice Beam was replaced with Ice Punch and Ice Shard, so it could invest its EVs and nature entirely into Physical offense. Ice Shard also made Quick Attack obsolete as a priority move, thanks to STAB. Focus Punch (or Brick Break) and Seed Bomb could help it counter the Rock/Steel bulky Water types that would otherwise devastate it. But in all honesty, it was firmly rooted in Never used.
Generation 5 didn't help much. Even that new Hidden Ability Insomnia was almost the same thing as Vital Spirit.It was still relying on the same mix of Hustle, Aerial Ace, Ice Shard, Ice Punch, and Focus Punch that it relied on last generation. But honestly, nothing was improving. Never Used
In Generation 6, Delibird finally got some good news, in that it had access to Spikes once again, along with Rapid Spin. It could lead and get off one or two layers of Spikes. It also got its grubby little hands on Destiny Bond, which could be used as an unwelcome surprise. Freeze Dry gave it a way of dealing with Water types, many of which would normally be used to Defog Spikes. Icy Wind could be used to lower speed and better set up Destiny Bond. All of this new stuff was good, but it wasn't enough to reverse the past couple of gens of damage. Besides, Delibird had loads of counters still out there. Faster Pokemon kept it from using more than one layer of Spikes, Taunt users prevented Spikes from being used, priority moves could negate its relatively decent speed, and users of Rapid Spin and Defog made it worthless as a Spikes user. Delibird was stuck in PU.
So how good was Delibird? It wasn't. Though it had a bit of promise for two generations, thanks to Spikes and Rapid Spin, it has always had a limited movepool, and the metagame changed in ways that hurt Delibird quicker than it could keep up. The sad part is that if it got access to its Generation 6 tricks earlier on, it might have found a niche. But even then, the existence of Stealth Rock crippled it, both in terms of removing a load of HP and making its ability to Rapid Spin Spikes obsolete.
I had always said that Golbat/Crobat was a better Flying Type than it was a Poison Type, but I hadn't realized just how flexible it was overall! And this is coming from me, who someone swept his friend's team with a Golbat in ORAS once and then took it to the E4 as a Crobat!
Can we get some Magneton/Magnezone now?
yes
No eviolite Golbat?
Yeah for these videos where the unevolved Pokemon ends up being viable in lower tiers with eviolite a quick mention would be pretty nice.
This vid is so sad now without golbat given that it could venom drench too
Agreed, it should have been mentioned. Even if it was just something like: Golbat got Eviolite in Gen 5, but do to its terrible offensive capabilities, just imagine the supportive Crobat set, but 1 tier lower.
+Qwilliams he did crobat due to him bieng better than golbat and he did it in his chansey and blissey video he said he will only do one of them depending which one did better in a certian generarion
Good catch. Completely forgot that. Chansey and Blissey were both done because they both were excellent at their stalling job. Makes sense why he only did Rhyperior starting in gen 4 for that video.
I don't even play Pokémon competively, these video are just fascinating insight into the history of Pokémon and I enjoy watching them to see how certain monsters did.
At least it's looks improved significantantly over the years.
How GOOD was Onix/Steelix ACTUALLY?
My first crobat was in Sun and he was a staple of my team and helped make sure I didn't lose a battle untill after the Elite 4.
Whenever i play a game with Crobat and Skarmory, I'm always stuck tossing a coin as to which i will keep as my flying pokemon. Both are so good. But its not a good idea to have both. Haha
Personally I prefer Golbat. You don't see many eviolite pokemon with usable speed (or a reliable recovery move). I play mine as a poison Mandibuzz - toxic, roost, taunt, full speed investment, etc.
Nice video dude, been with u since ur first video and you're growing fast, maybe up the number of uploads per week, and maybe for 100k do a huge special with the first 3 eeveelutions in one video?
Do kingler next please
how good was dunsparce actually?
Summoner Arthur not good
Summoner Arthur it sucks...
Summoner Arthur Superior comment
Summoner Arthur it wasnt
It is a pretty good pokémon but nobody used it in competitive battling. It is like Crobat, it is outclassed both as a special as a physical sweeper. The only REALLY good thing it has is it's ability serene grace. And it's sort of good defensive stats. And it's f**king good movepool.
I don't even fucking play competitive Pokémon. Why do I love these videos?
How about: How good was Steelix actually? Also love your videos!
*sees title
welp here we go again
*U N Z I P P A N T S*
upside down dope you have some weird fetish
I didin't get it
STICKY FINGERS!
*FAPFAPFAPFAPFAP*
why
Corbin Woodall why not is the real question
And to quote a youtube personality "go home Golbat you're drunk" I love that quote so much XD
What about Onix/Steelix?
When I played my first playthrough of Red I was an idiot and released my starter playing through with Golbat as my main
lol
You know what’s interesting, Inner Focus got changed a bit. Inner Focus not only prevents flinching but also Intimidate dosen’t work on it now.
Magneton/magnezone next
Hariyama Is True God I second this.
How good was my boy Magnezone ACTUALLY? He's been a staple on my teams for years now :D
I don't know what they were thinking when they made the golbat sprite for red/blue. So glad they updated it in yellow.
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