ROBOUTE GUILLIMAN RAZES MONARCHIA!
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- Hi all Wolf Lord Rho here,
Today we are looking at events during the Great Crusade. When Roboute Guilliman Primarch of the Ultramarines, razed Monarchia. Tasked by the Emperor as a warning to his brother Lorgar, Primarch of the Word Bearers.
These events are from the Horus Heresy novel "The First Heretic". I really recommend you read the novel for yourself first!
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Fun fact. The razing of Monarchia was almost unilaterally denounced by all the primarchs as being too excessive and severe a punishment for Lorgar and his legion. Even Magnus and Russ, the two primarchs most openly hostile towards each other, concurred on this point, the emperor went too far. This act also began fostering a silent disdain and disgust for Guilliman and the ultramarines by the other legions and primarchs.
Yeah when you have every other Primarch, including the ones who normally never agree on anything, say that the Emperor went too far you know he fucked up.
And whats even more interesting is that guilliman never liked it either, while lorgar was persuaded that he was mocking him behind his calm expression. That he hated lorgar. And he was wrong. Until calth.
Wait, including Angron?
@@megaman91646 Angron hates everithing that the emperor does, so probably yes
Fun fact. you should've called it a sad fact :'(
Lorgar: HOW COULD YOU DO THIS?!
Ultramarines: Good soldiers follow orders, good soldiers follow orders, good soldiers follow orders.....
(Jedi who survived Order 66)
"Ah shit, here we go again."
@@randomcenturion7264 what is this order 66 is it related to master sifo dyas and what do you mean by survived
@@mertekren8027 (Whistles innocently and walks away)
@@mertekren8027 pooo
They raised Monarchia to the ground. Humbled Our legion. Now we are here to return the favor.
*razed
Kinsmen....
what have you DONE!?
It’s about time someone else agrees that Calth was a justified punishment against the Smurfs.
Lorgar raised Monarchia.
@@____________838 agreed.
“I am no God Lorgar.” *proceeds to use Deity like power to have a whole legion of super human warriors kneel*
it was just an all mighty prank bro
BUSSTISEBOOST he is only a god when he creates saints .... like 10 min later ....
He wanted to be hailed as the greatest a man could be, rather than as a god... still, it's a very arrogant of him to have or even allow people to just kneel and prostate them selves before him against their will (sort of). He doesn't normally will people to kneel, they just see him and do so.
Well, that's an Alpha Psyker for you : )
Miguel Álvarez hahaha I’m fuckin dead bro
Im quite certain malcador tanked the hit out of sympathy for lorgar.
He knew TRULY that Lorgar meant no ill will.
He was just lost...and im sure Malcador actually liked Lorgar to extent, like an uncle who loves a nephew but understands he must be punished for his crimes..
Im actually quite sad at the whole thing
I think it was Malcador who said out of all the Primarchs he wished could be saved, he wished Lorgar was saved most of all.
Throughout the series it seems like Malcador has a soft spot for followers of the Lectitio Divinitatus. He pretty much let euphrati keeler do as she pleased for a long time and even when she got brought in he made sure she was just isolated from the public for her own protection(shes a legit saint lol) while the heresy ran its course and he never went after her followers. We will have to wait for the siege of terra series to end to find out her ultimate fate, but I hope she gets reincarnated into the chick that ends up becoming saint celestine. I mean that kind of holy faith power should be rare and limited to one soul in existance at any given time
then in first place dont raze it
I actually like pre-heresy Lorgar the most, out of the primarchs. His emotions are truly most human and relatable. He wanted to worship a God who “hated” him - it was a betrayal against the very core of his being.
I agree. Burning the city down was the wrong move. They should have just given Lorgar something else to do if they didn't like the way he governed the planets.
This was an example of very, very, very bad parenting.
Lorgar and Magnus are the most tragic to me.
Such misguided dedication, only to have it thrown back at them in ways that truly cut deep.
Magnus not only being the target of the emperors wrath, but the betrayal of horus which lead to the burning of his home.
Lorgar with his undying reverence and love, only to see his monument to his father shattered at his fathers command... and by the one legion that would truly bother him...
Their falls did not need to happen
@@tyguy6296 don't forget Angron
Vulkan is the most human of all them. Just a massive teddy bear of death
Should of just killed Lorgar and the word bearers honestly. Would of been kinder and less of hassle for future events. It's not like he's new to it, didn't he remove 2 primarchs anyway?
Lorgar's greatest fault was that he needed a reason for the Great Crusade. To every other Primarch, it was reason enough that their father had decreed it. Except perhaps Angron who just didn't care about anything. But Lorgar needed for there to be some greater cause to justify a war raging across the galaxy. He couldn't accept that such an unprecedented endeavour was happening by the will of one man unless the will of that man was divine.
Needing a reason to to participate in purging entire galaxies of anything and everything that isn't human isn't something I'd call a fault.
@@James-cg8ys Not in and of itself, but it's something the Chaos gods were readily willing to offer him where the Emperor never conceived that he would need it, making it so much easier for them to sway him to their cause.
Wow, wonderfully said
The First Heretic is a masterpiece of Lorgars growth into Chaos
A awesome novel by ADB ... he can really write some good stuff.
Argel Tal is one of the only Word Bearers that I liked. So tragic how his story ends.
@@ShadowGhost0117 I just read the betrayer, now I understand why the fans hate Erubus so much.
My hate for him probably became a chaos god when I got to that part.
@@JakeBaldwin1 I love how at the end of the book Kharn beats the living shit out of him and afterwards says that if they end up doing this again then Erebus is gonna die.
@@ShadowGhost0117 Unfortunately Erubus teleported away like the little bitch he is.
"It is the moment I began to believe God was real. And He hated us". #blameLorgar #blameErebus
Actually it's Kor Phaeron's fault the Word Bearers became worshiper of the Chaos Gods because he made sure to preserve what was known as the "Old Faith" on planets being made complient and he's the one who told Lorgar about the Chaos Gods.
It's funny how Horus cast aside and flayed Erebus' face in HH.
@@Amatsaru29 Everyone got sick of Erebus during the HH, even Lorgar got sick of him and pretty much fed him to Kharn at the end of the Betrayer Book.
Chapter Master Marneus Calgar
Lorgar turned before he left Colchis, according to the book about Lorgar’s early years.
LOLOLOL blame them for what?? For recognizing that the Chaos Gods are the true rulers and Gods of this galaxy and all others.?
Lorgar was 100% right though. Belief is the most powerfull weapon in the 40k universe
Only after the Heresy, and because of it.
@@Kainlarsen so? The imperium could have used the warp from the start. If all the citizens belief in the god emperor that will create anti-chaos elements in the warp
*Ordo Hereticus has join the chat.*
@@t.schramm1045 Ah, but you forget that the Emperor wanted to build an Imperium free from over-reliance on such nebulous and superstitious concepts, since they play into the hands of the Chaos Gods. Whether you worship them or not, faith and belief are emotionally-driven things, and lend them stength anyway. So what better way to weaken them than to deny them by instilling within your people a greater propensity towards rational thinking?
While not eliminating emotion entirely from humanity, people would be better tempered and more positive in their emotions, robbing Chaos of food.
@@Kainlarsen but there is an idea that could be even more effective that the emperor completely overlooked
the more you feed the chaos gods the fatter they get therefore the more bloated and unhealtyh they get what i'm getting at here is if the emperor pretty much went full omnipotent deity and had all of humanity worhiping him as a god all of the pro emperor worshiping would cause the emperor's power to increase therefore allowing him to rival the chaos gods even more so yes this would also power the chaos gods also but if it elevated the emperor to their levels then it's an even playing field.
Robute at Monarchia: “Forgive me, Lorgar. Nothing personal.” *Reluctantly burns the city*
Lorgar at the invasion of Ultramar: “Forgive me, Robute. Nothing personal.” *Willingly burns the cities*
Good soldiers listen to their superiors.
Good fanatics listen to their gods.
Still committed the action 🤷🏾♂️
Roboute is still 100% guilty of the razing of Monarchia, and that he did so on orders does not absolve him.
revenge is sweet
Malcador took the hit, we all know his psychic power is off the charts, i bet he could feel lorgars intention, and i think he took the hit to highlight to the emperor how far this had gone!
The Razing of Monarchia was never popular amongst the primarchs even with Horus, Sanguinius, Guilliman, Russ, and Magnus viewing it as unnecessarily cruel.
Let’s be honest here that should’ve splattered him over the entire planet no amount of psychic might should change the fact that he is still a mere human being punched by a demigod it would be like a normal person being stepped on by an Emperator class titan and not going squish
I love Guilliman's state of loyalty but it also reveals the gene seed flaw of the ultramarines. Guilliman says "I was ordered to". No conscience, no regret, remorse, or doubt. Its awesome and scary all at the same time. Ultramarine loyalty is almost comparable to a Nazi officer's excuse "i was just following orders". But as much as we need discipline and for soldiers to follow orders. Loyalty and discipline are no excuse for morals. Here though i love the blind loyalty, hiding in plan sight the flaw that exists in that of the ultramarines, but of course it is seen as so admirable when guided by the hand of the Emperor. Can you imagine that kind of flaw on the side of Chaos. Wow!
I mean Guilliman did not want to raze the city and make his brother hate him. He did disapprove but of course he wasn't going to refuse an order from his father.
@@AdeptKing right. He did not like it but did it any way. Wolf Lord Rho just did a video recently on a book where Guilliman is discussing how he didn't want to hurt all the people or his brother by destroying their City which they all thought they were doing to honor him. If you go to Wolf Lord Rho's channel you may still catch the video. But even he says that the Emperor chose Guilliman because he knew Guilliman would do exactly as he said. Angron would probably go to far and Vulkan might even refuse. It's a good video.
@@leatherjacket9 I already saw and yes I agree its a great video. I mean Guilliman has always been the to letter kind to guy so its not surprising. Of course he wasn't going to disobey his father.
Problem with this the example in the novel "Red-Marked". Before the HH, an Ultramarine Sargent and his squad were censured for NOT Stopping World Eaters (whom they were fighting alongside with) from attacking civilians. To put it simply Ultramarines were EXPECTED to question orders.
Morals are just as bad of an excuse to do / not do something.
But I agree.
When the emperor came down and he and lorgar had their little argument was one of the times I felt bad for lorgar. He made a good argument to everyone there for the emperor being a god, then the emperor just shuts him down.
He makes an argument for godlike power, which the emperor counters with I'm the the one telling you I'm not a God and true Gods don't exist.
Monarchia. Where the Emperor sowed the seeds for his own doom. (Seriously, the Emperor is AWESOME, but how did he not think Lorgar wouldn't hate him for what he did?)
Also, Lorgar just gained major respect from me for pimp-slapping Malcador into next week.
Agreed. Lorgar was honestly his most loyal son. Blindly, but most loyal. He made worlds loyal, however slow. The Emperor everyday just seems to be a leader with too many faults. Lorgar, Angron, Mortarion. He could have been a better parental figure and not left the crusade. The only person I can really think they would turn traitor would be Horus, Fulgrim, and the Alpha legion, if even with time with the Emperor, still believed the xenos.
Malcador could have bent Logar over his knee and spanked him like the spoiled little choir boy he was.
I always find it Ironic that Lorgar ended up being right about everything in the end.
@@timcusack9388 Pretty much.
@@timcusack9388 Lorgar did nothing wrong.
Lorgar was right. People can blame him all they want...but he was right about just about everything- and he genuinely cared for his sons and brothers.
I agree. What he became was an abomination, but he was right. The Emperor, creepy-uncle Malcador and Bobboy-G were wrong.
@@randomcenturion7264 Abomination? out of all the Traitor Primarchs, he is the most humanoid, look at his description on reddit
@@Inshabael. the fact you had to describe it as “humanoid” kinda disproves your own point
@@ianharrison5758 you know what he meant
@@mereanochheart7050 yeah, I do, it’s still a shit point. A demon is a demon whether they got wings, 5 cocks, a chain axe or shit falling out it’s mouth
20:51 You have to keep in mind that in the current imperium,( i forget the source this was mentioned in) Lorgar is regarded as a hero and is thought to have been one of the loyalists during the Heresy.
Skarbrand despises cliffhangers
I love how at the end of the day, Malchador, a human (albeit an incredibly powerful one) stands up to the super-human Astartes and primarchs.
Such a Hypocrisy was the raising of Monarchia. Imagine if the Imperium of today, who pray to the God Emperor, were aware of what happened here. The most righteously loyal of all worlds, it's people and its humble Astartes were punished by the Emperor for doing the same. Out of all the Chaos Primarchs I feel so sorry for Lorgar. He and the Word Bearers would have faught at Terra against the forces of chaos to protect the Emperor had he not made the mistake of humiliating Lorgar and his legion.
I loved The First Heretic. It is filled with so many amazing qoutes and Lorgar is just a great personality in the book.
Lorgar floors Guilliman and Guilliman just get's up and says: "are you finished brother?"
And i hate my Father that day
it should have been Russ not me
I have to feel for Lorgar in this passage; it's another example of Big E being a shit dad. He doesn't do a good job explaining disciplinary action and never shows forbearance in his punishments. Totally Old Testament and that's where a lot of the resentment starts. Look at when he snatched Angron, like wtf was that all about?
The Imperial Truth was fundamentally anti theist. It greatly undermined the objectives of the great crusade for a Legion to be so open with their religious zealotry.
Big E personally denied his divinity to Lorgar on multiple occasions. Lorgar instead took this as confirmation that he was truly divine.
It was also no secret that Big E was deeply displeased with how the WB handled compliance actions. The WB persisted with their modus operandi anyway.
Lorgar was basically asking for a censure at this point. After decades of hints being ignored and no corrective measures undertaken.
Either a peaceful & orderly censure by the Ultramarines. Or a bitchslapping by Russ and the Wolves was imminent.
Big E was being charitable with the razing of Monarchia. Residents were largely evacuated and the temples and objects of worship were put to the torch.
Words had not worked. Big E had to show Lorgar with action that the Imperial Truth afforded no space for the deification and worship if entities.
The Emperors true failing was not closely monitoring his son in the years following Monarchia.
@@tevitabulu2004 I can't believe people are still defending the empires "antitheism" there is absolutely no proof that riding people of religion = no chaos. Chaos is emotion not scripture
@@nataliealphonse4634 Actually there evidence even magnus admitted had the emperor's schemes come to fruition the gods would reel back into nonexistence. Also fabius bile despite being one of the first to jump on to the heresy train still held the tenets of the imperial truth upto the latest millennia and his fervent denial of the existence of gods and daemons actually causes pain to daemons . Seriously look it up his denial is so hardcore it actually burns the daemons so imagine if almost all humanity shared in this fervor, the gods would likely just faze away.
Probably my favourite primarch, his arc is just a fucking ride it so well done. But primarily if The Big E had chosen another way to go about this, he’d still have another legion at his side
I love all the horus heresy books, first heretic is a great book. It's on audibles now. The reader is really good at getting us listeners into it I just listened to it again on a long flight from Seattle to Louisville.
The First Heretic is easily top 3 for me in books of this series
Wow, your video makes that scene so dramatic, compared too when I read it. The bad thing is that Logar was made the way he was, he was a piece in the puzzle that went astray. Im a big Guilliman fan, so I think that his actions were spot on during the burning of Monarchia, even though he didnt want to do it. In my opinion the Emporer should have used the Custodians and not the Ultramarines, to avoid brother on brother resentment, which happened. You must follow up, the cliff hangers are killing me. Great job!
The emporeor uses love of the father son dynamic when it suites him. When he created the primarch who was so far ahead of the planets humans (where the chaos gods dropped him) who had bowed in subservient admiration to him. Surely then to them they have showered belief of the father being a god ! Great series of writings.
Another excellent reading wolf lord, as always and told so eloquently. You make it so easy to envision the epic unfolding if events in every story, makes me glad to love Warhammer and the black library. Thank you for your hard work, all of us are thankful for your efforts.
Proably the one event that was pivotal to Lorgar’s fall, the Emperor should have not sent Malcador, he should have shown himself from the beginning. And humbling him? That was the worst of it.
Thank you for posting this video. We feature these events in Death of Hope. I hope that you enjoy our production of the Horus Heresy. Cheers, Aloha and the Emperor Protests Only the Faithful! :D
When wil DoH come out?
@@crocrox2273 We are working on it daily. By the Emperor & the Warp Powers that be we are working on it daily. I can not say when it will drop however I will say that if you haven't watched Brotha Mark Sparks last live video, Death of Hope has gone dark. Aka full development stage and we will get back to you once a ton of footage is done. The quality of this project has gone up and the stort development is stating true to the foundation & lore of the Hobby & People we respect at Black Library, Forge World , GW and our Fellow Non-Toxic Fans of the Hobby. The characters we are going to present to you and the events we are covering in this project gives us goose bumps. A lot of sleepless nights and meetings evert week. Stay tuned ! We have some Grim Dark Ass Kicking Bolter & Chainsword/Axe Action & Stort telling for your needs. Be yee Loyalists & Traitor :) Aloha!
@@thashadowspawn Be yee Loyalist &Traitor? im a Xeno :(
@@thashadowspawn Are we going to see Emperor and Lorgar in all their too op pls nerf glory?
Adeptus Sparkatus notif squad !!
Can’t wait to see the results ...DoH is by far the BEST 30k inspired fan film ever made ....
Take your time boys !I know the result will be awesome!
Full support from Switzerland !
Lorgar’s reaction was similar to when mom class dad saying “ he isn’t listening.”
I always thought this scene was by far 1 of thee most crucial moments in 40k I cant. Believe it's not talked about more , but I guess that's the point in the end
I've seen a few people talk before about how Lorgar back-handing Malcador was cowardly. I don't really think so. If anything, it seems to be he was directing his rage at him because of what he perceived to be as insanity that Malcador was speaking. If it had been Guilliman saying those same words instead, I truly believe Lorgar would have reacted the same way, if not more violently.
*'I am no God. A God would have your complete supplication and subservience. No, not a God....'*
*'Now, watch this drive.'*
This reminds me that scene in the beginning of the second trailer for Death of Hope!!! That was so well done.
Just reread the first heretic again, probably one of my fave hours heresy books so far
Ive read maybe over 30 of the horus heresy novels. This one is still my favorite. Highly recommend it to anyone. If they know nothing about 40k or if they know a whole lot.
This novel condemns for me the Emperor above all else. It redeems Lorgar almost entirely in my eyes.
SPOILER ALERT as I summarize what Lorgar thinks in this novel.
200 years father you watched me raise worlds in your name to worship you. You knew who I was when you found me, you didnt say anything then against it. And now this?? You bring my brother to shame me? An old man to put me in my place? You have them raze my crown jewel that I made for you to the ground?
I never realized how wrong I was. Not about thinking you a god for if you are not that what could you be? But for not realizing that gods exist that even you have to barter with, that the universal truth is not this lie you try to force us into believing but rather a truth so much grander and so much more real than merely science. Look at the music of the universe, look at the oceans of energy making up the warp. I have completed my pilgrimage, into the eye, and I found the truth that in the ashes of the universe's death nothing remains but the laughter of thirsting gods.
This and ultimately how Magnus did a little wrong lol. He knew chaos gods existed, perhaps not quite as clearly as he comes to learn after submitting to tzeentch but he knew...and he doesnt guide Lorgar well at all, just tells him to drop it.
Yeah right Magnus...this guy who's ENTIRE identity is built on hope and faith. Who for centuries believed the Emperor a God and was allowed to do so by the Godlike being he called father only to be cruelly treated and shamed much after the fact.
Ahh sorry im rambling, go read the book. You'll love it (unless you like custodes....then you may feel they got treated quite unfairly by the author xD)
Perfect summary of why I loved this book so much and why the Word Bearers have become my favorite CSM legion
Fuerto203 the Word Bearers are not one of my favorite CSM legions but I definitely felt bad for them after reading The First Heretic. #ScrewErebus
@@ShadowGhost0117 Yes especially Lorgar. It seemed he wanted to Commit Suicide by Corvus Corax until Konrad saved him.
What a beautiful pile of heresy.
Which should I read to understand the downfall of horus better? Or stuff about how chaos works? Thank you
We need Guilliman meeting Dante!!! Too epic!!!
If you don't know the background song it is Children of the omnissiah from the mechanicus game.
I wonder how things would of turned out if it was the Space Wolves sent to deal with Monarchia and the Ultramarines sent to Prospero ??
Lmao
Better for monarchia since leman actually hated the emperor for what he did to lorgar and thought it utterly excessive and incredibly cruel
If the Ultramarines were sent to Prospero. I’d imagine he’d challenge Horus’s altered command. Or at least get confirmation with Terra. And asked Magnus surrender and come quietly. I think Magnus would do that. He didn’t have beef with guilliman like he did with Russ. He’d explain why he did what he did and guilliman would listen.
This shows one of the major faults of the Emperor. He expected people to trust him even though he didn't put his trust in any of them. He said he wasn't a god, yet he acted godly expected everyone to obey him. The Emperor wasn't a god, but neither was he human. That was his greatest fault, even though he was lord of humanity he himself had little humanity of his own.
I honestly couldnt disagree more he trusted his sons with godlike power and armies that could easily topple worlds
His failures were very human
And he stood before mankind with godlike power but also let them know that they were the powers of a man he wanted them to join him to raise people to a level they thought only gods could attain
Love the video but I wish you'd gone Full-Lorgar with the line delivery. When I read the book I had a vivid impression of Lorgar, not talking in a deep, slow voice, but spitting and screeching and howling like an absolute madman. It's what ADB does best (writing dialogue, not screeching and howling like a madman).
A goosebump inducing video once again.
I'd like to think that Guilliman doesn't betray emotion intentionally, rather than being because he feels nothing. I think that was more or less confirmed right? He knows that the situation will only escalate if he shows his personal feelings on how this all came about, so to prevent that he locks them behind a stoic mask.
'Knowledge is power' guard it well.
So happy I found this channel!
Ok don't call me an heretic but the emperor was kind of ass he should have talked to his son but he had the Marines destroy a City.
The book, First Heretic, explicitly states that the Emperor had talked to Lorgar and denied his divinity.
And everyone, everyone, everyone else knew the Imperial Truth was secular and anti-theist.
Lorgar's idiotic fanaticism is his own fault, no one else's.
Hell, if he didn't get the memo from his brothers, Malcador, Iterators, and the words of his Father and object of devotion, burning a city (while preserving the people btw) is the only way a rebuke would get through.
Additionally, what isn't mentioned here, is that Lorgar's pogroms were hardly kind and loving.
@@fedupN emperor: dude i'm not a god why do people think that??
Also the emperor: SERVE ME, YOUR GLORIOUS, INCREDIBLY POWERFUL, GOLDEN OVERLORD! I CAN READ YOUR MIND, IF YOU LOOK AT ME YOU CAN GO BLIND!!! I COME FROM THE HEAVENS WITH MY AVENGING ANGELS, WITH MY FLAMING SWORD OF JUDGMENT ON MY ETERNAL CRUSADE!!!!
*srsly why do people think im a god?*
@@fedupN In HH black book vol.2, in Word Bearer part, it's stated that the emperor already warned Lorgar in face about his worshiping before the Monarchia. Logar listened only what he preferred and ignored the others.
@@t.schramm1045 and as the Big E took pains too explain, just because someone doesn't understand something, doesn't make it a god. Power does not a god make. Authority does not a god make. It's amazing how simple, idiotic, tiny brains can't seem to grasp this.
There is a gulf of difference between "listen to me" and "worship me." This isn't a difficult concept to grasp.
Big E was actively spreading a philosophy that would enable mankind to thrive when he was gone. Because that was the point.
This ancient, powerful being, who tries the hands off approach, saw the future and what he perceived, right or wrong, as the narrow path for humanity to come back from the brink of extinction. And he did terrible things to do it.
But it was all in the name of an enlightened humanity in charge of the Galaxy. Lorgar was choosing, willfully, to ignore what the very object of his worship said. "No means yes wink wink" and all that. That's how restraining orders get started. Worse still, as we see in the next part, Lorgar's argument for divinity is based purely on impressive power.
That's sad
Hell, in Star Trek TNG Picard gives a whole damn speech about he he isn't a god to what would be a feral world dweller in 40k. Same thing.
Nicholas Walls Well, if he knew all of this, why take the time to dress like a shining golden god? Surely he must have thought how contrarian it would look to certain people like Lorgar.
A guy in gold armour with a bright nimbus hanging behind his head and the mere sight of the guy prompting people to bend the knee, that’s going to broadcast a wholly different message he wants to.
Request:
If possible, can you list character names in the notes? Specifically ones in the particular video.
I'm American, so sometimes it's difficult to make out exactly what you're saying, and it's difficult for me to look up by name.
I absolutely love the work. Cheers from your gun-loving cousins across the pond.
Omg that teasing tho! God emperor damn it!!
I wait in anticipation when you release new videos! I enjoy your love of the lore and the best view on the primarchs. I was waiting for you to talk about this event.
The issue is that there is little lore to establish some of the things lorgar was doing, I keep hearing that lorgar was censered for worshipping the emperor, and just ignoring it, there isn't much evidence to support that.
Lorgar does state on numerous occasions that the emperor never said one thing or the other about what he was doing, that upon his arrival on colchis the emperor was treated to weeks of celebrations in his name, if the emperor felt so strongly as to reduce a prosperous world to an apocalyptic wasteland (monarchia wasn't the only city bombarded, most of not all of the city's on that world we're destroyed) then why did he simply not be forthcoming to lorgar in the beginning?
Why humiliate lorgar for worshipping him at all, when he had Angron mutilating the brains of an entire legion, Magnus who couldn't stop getting himself into bed with the warp, or konrad... Lmfao good old konrad, yeah, let's just ignore the primarch who would torture entire populations into submission, who's legion on at least one occasion bragged about the skinning pits on a world they had beat into submission, surely whatever power slannesh, and khorn are getting from konrad is not really a problem.
but fuck lorgar for worshipping the emperor, and helping to restabilize the world's he rendered compliant
Konrad and Angron were screwing worlds so hard that the word of their comming would piss the planet's inhabitants into surrendering and Big E is willing to overlook the Atrocities because of the results they were producing. Lorgar was wasting too much time forcing Worlds and systems to worship Big E. Time that may be well spent colonizing another world or system. And lorgar forcing world's to worship Big E is a blasphemy to the Imperial truth. But just like everybody has already said, "Emps handled Choir boy too poorly".
I've heard a thought some others had, which was chaos had subverted some of the populace and potentially the word bearers, so the Emp sent in the toilet seat smurfs to 'clean' things up. Then since chaos was all hush hush, he refused to say exactly why he had monarchia razed. I think it's plausible but thats all. I don't think there is any canon material for the thought. I think I would prefer it though. I just think it would fit in more lorewise. Also be more ironic, since that event be start to quickly tip Lorgar over.
Imagine the scene with your words and description. Damn it would be a awesome short animation
You know, i'm a Rogal Dorn fan and i like the loyalists in general, BUT!!! With this i simpathyse with Lorgar, it's hard for me to understand this kind of punishment, to commit a genocide against other humans instead of teaching them.
The ultramarines massacred men, women and children to chide Lorgar.
If Lorgar had reached them before the tragedy he would have accepted the punishment to save them.
Civilians were evacuated before hand
They… literally didn’t. They gave them 24 hours to evacuate the city, despite the Emperor ordering them to immediately fire once within range. Yeah Monarchia was a mistake, but telephone games of the lore never improve comprehension.
I Think Malcador is simply being a good uncle here, He knows that Lorgar is the young sibling unlike Horus who is a bit of a douch.
THANK YOU FOR THE LINK IN THE DESCRIPTION! Great writing, great writing, Grand reading, grand reading.
When Emperor Ordered,it's Must Be a Good Reason,We Don't know Why? , That's all !,As One Of Emperor Companion Said, When He Ordered we All Shall Obey !,We Serve The Emperor and no one Will Stood in our Way !, Good Work as always 😎 -Ave Imperator !!!.
I own the audiobook. And I can say this with 100% certainty. You narrated this better than the audiobook did.
“My faith did not die. It was when began to truly believe. God *was* real. And he *hated* us.”
Can he really betray those that have already betrayed him?
Fair point, and its not like the Emperor, as well as every one else, didn't warn Logar over and over. But in the end Logar was Logar and he could help himself I guess.
yes
“Crossing universes with his force powers”
Bloody Great! I can see old Alec Guinness as Malcador now. That is how I’m going to picture him forever!
No words...this is just Magnificent
Gotta love how Malcador is the Emperor's right hand and the Ordo Sinister Psi Titans are his left hand. Primarchs? Pfft. Errand boys.
Make a podcast bro. This needs to reach more ears epic work
perfect timing brother I just went on lunch break you are the man
This is one of my fav moments in the entire lore. Lorgar is right!
He didnt want to be a soldier or live in eternal war. He wanted to give something to believe in. Give faith and peace.
I hate the Ultramarines and RG so much haha.
GREAT VIDEO!!!!
I was always curious why did the Ultramarines go instead of the Space Wolves?
Michael Baca Holy shit that’s actually a good question
Mainly it has to do with Monarchia being intended by the Emperor as a corrective action.
Also the Word Bearers were one of the largest Legions. Whilst the Space Wolves were one of the smaller.
By the time of the Heresy they were likely second only to Ultramarines in size.
I think we all know that malacador called the emporer down before he lost his temper, if big E wasn't there he would've folded lorgar like a pretzel.
I doubt malcador would do that since he likes Lorgar, but even if he did the 100,000 word bearers would fill him with bolter rounds
Just shows more and more that despite power and foresight the Emperor is not a God, at least not yet, here.
THERE?! You end it THERE?! What kind of Drukhari-aping sadist are you?! BASTARD!
... so yeah, currently waiting for the video where Daddy E comes down to “rephrase” Uncle Malc’s wording...
Lorgar.....truly you where the most noble of the Primarchs.
This was really good, I like Lorgar!
The fact that Guilliman, of all people, was forced to level a city full of innocent peaceful civilians JUST so Dad could humiliate his brother….
I mean it’s remarkable Rob didn’t turn traitor right then. That must have wreaked him inside.
Actually did they at least try to evacuate the city first?? Please say they at least tried.
Yes but many especially the priesthood refused to leave and were barbecued .
Excellent Work Rho‼️💯👍🏻👍🏻
11:50 Lorgar: "What madness has allowed to go unchecked?"
Malcador could have just said: "You."
Lorgar: no no no no no n-Emperor: BOOOOYYY!
With the flash of light, the emperor lands like mr bean on a wet cobbled floor
This scene has a whole different feel after knowing that the whole time, Malcador could have easily killed Lorgar.
I love coming back to your older stuff now and again 👍
I wouldn't be surprised if some among the word bearers/populace (of monarchia) were already stained by chaos at this point, it would make more sense as to why monarchia was razed, and why the emperor would refuse to speak of it, since he didn't allow any except one of the primarchs to know the problem that chaos was. I really think that razing it because he said no to being worshipped as a god, several times over, leading up to this... It's just so bizarre that he would escalate and have so many killed... Meh, doesn't matter.
Appreciate your enthusiasm
It's not betrayal considering Lorgar turned his back on the entire imperium.
Funny thing about all this, if the Emporer had just kept to gathering human worlds, Lorgar's approach would have been the better way! Then Lorgar would never have turned to Chaos. Worlds falling to compliance could have been bulwarks against the darkness.
Half of the comment section: the emperor went too far.
Me: considering he purged 2 legions, Lorgar got off cheap.
I guess the emperor was just too used to his state and too full of himself to understand that his son just had love and devotion for him and wantednto share this with the universe
This act was necessary, it was meant to force chaos to act, otherwise more sinister plan was about to unfold as chaos gods could slowly curropt the Galaxy, but emperor forced them to react and gained the upper hand
Another awesome video 👍🏼
9:20 this. I’m gonna come back for this.
Just found your channel really love it
o my god.. that is the most intense situation i've read yet in the hh series..
I still have no idea how Malcador survived that hit...
You're enthusiastic approach is what thç
The Emperor: “Lorgar because you spread misinformation on me you didn’t know was misinformation and I simply could have yelled at you for doing so or calmly explaining it was wrong I’m gonna reduce your people to slave and home to ash.”
Also the emperor during the Horus heresy: “what did I do?!”
Robute channels his inner Black Templar.
BURN!PURGE!BURN!
You have the voice of a chaplain I swear xD that or an Inquisitor xD
my favorite wolf vid b far
How could the Emperor do this and not know Lorgar would go searching for enlightenment by finding chaos. Did he really think his religious zealot of a son would suddenly turn to the imperial truth with this display? Very suspicious
Was it too fast for him to prevent? He froze Horus with a thought, and I reckon a thought is still faster than a Primarch, so I reckon he let it happen, because he knew that was the only way to get the Emp to get involved. He’s a manipulator, remember.
The white horse represents the Emperor's presence, it's Bucephalus Alexander the Greats horse and the Emperor's flagship.
Keep up the good work brother by the way can anyone tell the name of the music in the background
I would like to know as well.