I love 4bt's , but at 750 lbs dry they're too heavy for a lot of smaller vehicles. The Cummins 2.8 sounds like a much better option for little jeeps, mini trucks, etc.
I think I would still rather have the 4bt, its almost completely mechanical, fairly cheap, it can also share parts with a 6bt and there is more options out there for upgrades
On The Fast Lane Truck TH-cam channel, they show a 2014 Nissan Frontier with this exact engine with a ZF-8 transmission. They stated that it makes 200 hp and around 350 lb-ft of torque. So, why is this crate engine so underpowered?
I'd swap one into a 2017 Dart GT those are kinda hard to find since not many gt's were made and I think 2017 was the last year of the dart. One reason why I'd do it cause when it was in production I thought since Chevy has diesels in their compact cars and now in one of their small SUVs (equinox and GMC terrain) maybe the dart should have a diesel and the 2.8 is the only one i think would have been perfect Dodge probably would have left off the Cummins badges and stuff and didn't call the motor a Cummins either
You are correct, the only think you would have to do to make it California legal is take it to the referee so he can verify that is no longer gas and has a diesel motor in it.
It just doesn't have the hp or torque numbers that it should for its size and price. For the size I was expecting 225hp and 350ft/lbs of torque. For the price however I'd expect each of those numbers to be increased by at least 50.
Mam brittany I need your help, what should I do with my cummins isf 2.8 loosing power when I stepped on the throttle it seems the engine is strangled and short of fuel as if the engine would die then check engine indicator appears on the dash. What is the problem? What should I do? Mam britanny I need your help
Hello from Russia. We have such engines put on GAZele cars but there is a big problem (they are installing a bad gearbox of their own production. What gearbox is installed for you?
Can anyone recommend a Transmission adapter for the NAG1 Transmission from a 2012 to 2018 Jeep? I am looking for some kits that will work for either the 4BT or this R 2.8 Engine. Any help would be great!
The kits are available now. Not sure of the exact price. They has some cool trucks with the 2.8T at the SEMA show this week, but I didn't shoot video at the show.
Last I heard... unfortunately yes. The '99 limit for the rest of the country isn't that much better. My 1st (and only) Wrangler was a 2000 and had to get rid of it in the early 2000's when gas shot up to $4+/gal
Dirt Every Day never said that the Cummings they put in their Jeep was a 4BT. It's a shame that it is. I was hoping that the ominous way that test run ended up (without too many engine details) would indicate that is was a different engine.
Depending on what kind of plastic I'd prefer it. The one under my 2.7 Ecoboost was indestructible. But any oil pan is only as good offroad as the skidplate that protects it. I wouldn't think twice about the oil pan itself. If you're going to the trouble to do a build like that you'll have a massive skidplate.
It's 503 pounds. I just added a link to the product page in the description. By comparison, the 1998 4.0L inline six was rated at 181 HP / 222 pound-feet of torque.
Hmm, common rail fuel injection & Bosch fuel system. Sounds like another VW nightmare. Are high pressure fuel pump issues with low sulfur diesel going to be an issue, as with the 2.0 VW plant? No thanks.
Considering how constantly emissions standards keep changing, what may be legal now, may not be legal tomorrow. Cummins needs to be aware of that when developing a new engine, of any size.
for low speed offroad stuff, this Cummins will beat any LS any day. the diesel can idle over almost anything, and it will probably go 3 times as far in terms of fuel economy. And that is Cummins' target crowd.
do you understand the point of a diesel engine? it's all about low end torque. 267 lb-ft@1500-3000 RPM. you can literally idle over any boulder, cruise while towing at peak torque. This is not a race car's engine, it's meant for off road and overlanding road trips.
yes i agree gearing goes a long way, but that doesn't disprove my point that it's not about the HP. HP doesn't mean much off road and long road trips. but if you said no to $9000 for 267 lb-ft, i would have agreed with you.
Did you say torque? Here are some specs on the jeep´s 4.0 L6: 1987 173 @ 4,500 - 215 @ 3,000 1988 177 @ 4,500 - 224 @ 2,500 1992 190 @ 4,750 -225 @ 4,000* 2003 190 - 235 @ $2000.00 for a new long block The R2.8 is 503 pounds: 161 hp @ 3600 / 267 lb-ft @1500-3000 RPM @ $9000.00 Youre better off with a stroker jeep engine: Golen Engine 4.6L Jeep Stroker Engine with its 270hp and 300 ft lbs of torque $4000.00 to $4400.00
lol - Interesting side note... there "was" a pretty substantial Fiero Museum in Northern Michigan (who knew)... 'til the recent and unprecedented Spring floods (May 2020) ended up taking out two earthen dams that wiped out the museum and a large part of the small town where the museum was located.
Oh, and my old '99 New Beetle TDI is still going after nearly 400,000 original miles, 250K of those as a test bed for extreme mods. (Big injectors, huge turbos, etc.) Never been opened up. Runs like new. Seems like the Cummins should be able to make more grunt than that.
Clifford C ive been considering this as well.. just the 3.3t more power. an ur not dropping ten stacks on a ecm n harness. Its a diesel .. no comp. needed. . seriously contact me. I'm scheming on a big group effort.
well the good ol cummins is the only diesel I'm aware of at least. that does not have nor could you install glow plugs for a old school Cummins to run you only need two things power to turn it on and power to shut it off
and with that beautiful Talent of combustion via compression there's nothing to go wrong componentwise and I know 4bts& b3.3t are outragesly high. rebuilt or not.. you're better off finding a service truck that has a 4B Etc or a school bus that has a brand new motor in it and tranny and they're usually sell them for like 45 or 7000.. here's my Kicker I want 2 collaborate with a diesel mechanic I'm good friends with an our odd ball mix of gear heads.. an other xterra/frontier owners.. .. our family owns a glass franchise 90% is auto n heavy equipment. as well I have a working relationship with a very large electric supply company.. "sets the massive supply lines" and a paving company/equipment resellers. they both have that edge I need to get these motors cheap. I'm focusing on first gen 2003-4 .. . actually bought a xterra bout 8 months ago unseen. for 500. an I drive it daily. just picked up a 4x4 to do a total frame swap after ive rebuilt all seals. n component upgrade. then jdm motor n tranny. in the mean time.. gotta get me some motors to rebuild . an mock up frame..
I want to establish a set of configurations that are dependable .. and reliability of the drivetrain. what tranny. adapter plates..will stock axles twist?.. what if I slam a 2000 frontier to the ground and boost the he'll out of it?? whats gonna be the weak ness. once we establish that. we can focus on applications. old Cherokee. geo tracker. there is a vehicle for every walk of life. an I'm getting sick of cars costing more and becoming more complicated and less reliable..
![Cummins R2.8 Swapping a Shipping Crate #RamRecharger [EP1]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/xsmlMdlTW30/mqdefault.jpg)
at 2:02 the old man in the back doesn't approve. LOL
He walks up with a huge grin and than groans, "ohh no."
LOL... what timing! They just should have reshot it.
HAHA Oh no
HAHAHA!!! He was probably expecting to see a V8.
hilarious!
Who ever came up with the Repower Program, CHEERS
Too bad govt bureaucracy won't approve the 2.8T for anything newer than 1999 :'(
I can't wait I will be doing this to my 2000 Dodge Dakota quad cab 4x4 5.9L
Have you done this yet?
@@Ragepirate123 no, no he hasn't.
Cool cept govt won't approve the 2.8T for anytthing newer than 1999 :'(
I love 4bt's , but at 750 lbs dry they're too heavy for a lot of smaller vehicles. The Cummins 2.8 sounds like a much better option for little jeeps, mini trucks, etc.
As if weight wasn't enough of an issue, the 4bt will also rattle your brains out... no thanks.
I would do a first gen 4Runner. I think that would be an amazing combination.
Steven Floyd Definitely a cool one!
Tavllc has an 1985 truck with the r2.8. Can't wait for more info on it.
My plan is to drop one in my 2nd gen when the 3.0 gives up the ghost. Hopefully someone makes adapters by then.
@@MichaelRCarlson
Gives up the ghost?
I think I would still rather have the 4bt, its almost completely mechanical, fairly cheap, it can also share parts with a 6bt and there is more options out there for upgrades
It's also 300 pounds heavier and in some applications that would be a deal breaker
On The Fast Lane Truck TH-cam channel, they show a 2014 Nissan Frontier with this exact engine with a ZF-8 transmission. They stated that it makes 200 hp and around 350 lb-ft of torque. So, why is this crate engine so underpowered?
Is the 2.8TD that much more efficient than a 4BT? I'm thinking in larger vehicles, the 4BT would have better economy.
4bt is a heaaaavy engine.
A jku is a heavey pig anyways so the 4tb or others isn't gonna matter much
R D it’s not a 4bt it’s a 2.8L the 4bt is 3.9Lit’s like 300lbs less than a 4bt
I can think of several vehicles that would benefit from a Cummins 2.8 litre turbo diesel engine.
My 1992 Range Rover Classic for 1. Just have to figure out the adapter to my transmission. :)
That's one example. How about an Jeep XJ Cherokee?
I'd swap one into a 2017 Dart GT those are kinda hard to find since not many gt's were made and I think 2017 was the last year of the dart. One reason why I'd do it cause when it was in production I thought since Chevy has diesels in their compact cars and now in one of their small SUVs (equinox and GMC terrain) maybe the dart should have a diesel and the 2.8 is the only one i think would have been perfect Dodge probably would have left off the Cummins badges and stuff and didn't call the motor a Cummins either
Tacomas would love a cummins
@@lostbetrayed If only they were still available. I can imagine a 2.8 litre Cummins or even a Duramax in my Mazda CX5.
What kind of performance did the wrangler get on hills and passing on hills using the 2.8?
(1:08) - Now in this Bronco, OJ would've ridden in style.
Wish Cummins would do a plug and play crate motor for the 5.0 V8 Cummins but I do like the 2.8 I also liked the 3.9
Since I can't seem to find any info on pricing i'll just go ahead and get a stroker. Cummins is keeping a tight lip on the cost.
Jesse Beckton sure u will...
cumminsengines.com/repower.aspx
9k per their website.
They start at $Shit Ton and go up from there.
A cursory google search says that in CA, a diesel vehicle older than 95 doesn't go through emissions testing though.
You are correct, the only think you would have to do to make it California legal is take it to the referee so he can verify that is no longer gas and has a diesel motor in it.
Wow the 2.8 Duramax has a lot more power But I heard stock Max you could get like 3 to 400hp and 600fpt'
It just doesn't have the hp or torque numbers that it should for its size and price.
For the size I was expecting 225hp and 350ft/lbs of torque. For the price however I'd expect each of those numbers to be increased by at least 50.
Yeah but don't let that fool you. The smaller frame vehicle like a Jeep Rock your socks. I have one in mine and I am a muscle car enthusiast
That would be great for my dodge 1500 5 speed .
Mam brittany I need your help, what should I do with my cummins isf 2.8 loosing power when I stepped on the throttle it seems the engine is strangled and short of fuel as if the engine would die then check engine indicator appears on the dash. What is the problem? What should I do? Mam britanny I need your help
Joseph Namud check for cracked turbocharger
But what transmission ????
4L60e or 4L80e. If its a jeep with the nv4500 5 speed, keep it.
I have a 1972 Model 88 Jeep Dispatcher that came stock with a Cummins 4B(no turbo) and a TH350 😂
That would be a good swap for a ranger
This funny, I live in Brazil, here all rangers basically use a diesels engines.
I wish this would be set for Later model TJ and JK
Lmfao!!!!! 2:02 old dude is like fu$& this truck. Holy hell that was the funniest s$&) ever.
Where can i buy the engine kit or is it still in the process?
Hello from Russia. We have such engines put on GAZele cars but there is a big problem (they are installing a bad gearbox of their own production. What gearbox is installed for you?
Whould it Fit in my 1990 230GE / Wolf Gwagen / Steyr-Puch ??? 🇺🇸💀☠️💀👽🌌☕️
I want to try and put one in my 01 ranger.
WillPat 3190 I thought about that I have a 2.8 Liberty and I thought about dropping one in my Ranger but I don't think it'll fit
Assuming I can legally run this in my 99 TJ, can I keep my stock gauges?
Can anyone recommend a Transmission adapter for the NAG1 Transmission from a 2012 to 2018 Jeep? I am looking for some kits that will work for either the 4BT or this R 2.8 Engine. Any help would be great!
Does it have a EGR?? If so deal killer.
So, no go on a 97 wrangler in California?
It’s a cummins so you can get way more horsepower and torque by adding some mods to it like you would a 5.9 or 6.7
I want to drop one in a FJ62, any idea when they are going to become more readily available?
Chuck Holton FJ would be a cool swap! I'm hoping to get more info after the 4th. Stay tuned …
My 2000 TJ hopes there will be one in it's future too. I have been looking for diesel options for the 62 for sometime. This is a great idea
Such a great idea, too bad govt bureaucracy won't approve the 2.8T for anything newer than 1999 :'(
I want this in my Xterra pro4x when my vq40 finally gives up the ghost! MPG would be WAY better I'm guessing!
Gives up the ghost?
I saw lot people install on Toyota fj40 nice
When are they going to be availibe to the public and how much?
The kits are available now. Not sure of the exact price. They has some cool trucks with the 2.8T at the SEMA show this week, but I didn't shoot video at the show.
My 2004 Jeep TJ is no different then a 1999 I don’t see why the year 1999 and not newer
Could I put it in a 2006 Jeep Wrangler Lj
Can I use this kind projects in california
Did I hear this right? 94 or older in California due to emissions?
Last I heard... unfortunately yes. The '99 limit for the rest of the country isn't that much better. My 1st (and only) Wrangler was a 2000 and had to get rid of it in the early 2000's when gas shot up to $4+/gal
is it possible to be mounted on a willys m38
Jeez I want this in my dakota. Now how to get an extra 7700 bucks for this setup 😭
Well, if nothing else, it's promising to see the price dropped some from around $10k to just shy of $8k.
Does it still have the plastic oil pan?
D-G-A-F yes, as far as I've heard.
Dirt Every Day never said that the Cummings they put in their Jeep was a 4BT. It's a shame that it is. I was hoping that the ominous way that test run ended up (without too many engine details) would indicate that is was a different engine.
Depending on what kind of plastic I'd prefer it. The one under my 2.7 Ecoboost was indestructible. But any oil pan is only as good offroad as the skidplate that protects it. I wouldn't think twice about the oil pan itself. If you're going to the trouble to do a build like that you'll have a massive skidplate.
Will it fit into a CJ2A?
how much does it weigh though? doesn't seem like much power.
It's 503 pounds. I just added a link to the product page in the description. By comparison, the 1998 4.0L inline six was rated at 181 HP / 222 pound-feet of torque.
503lbs cumminsengines.com/repower.aspx
How much do these cost today? I really want to drop this in an old jeep.
These kits sound great, but they've got to cost as much or more than the purchase price of an old Jeep.
crate motor from cummins is 8K
want so hard for my FJ Cruiser!
Hmm, common rail fuel injection & Bosch fuel system. Sounds like another VW nightmare. Are high pressure fuel pump issues with low sulfur diesel going to be an issue, as with the 2.0 VW plant? No thanks.
I need one for my 97 k1500 Z71
What about putting it in an old rwd Cadillac?
ronn4238 A big ol' Caddy would be interesting … I reckon these engines will end up in lots of places that no one would expect …
@@mpgomatic
Fiero
how much is this crate engine?
$9000 with ecu and harness cumminsengines.com/repower.aspx
yeah with wiring harness. all necessary components from fuel pump to water pump. an is roughly 26" x 26" x 26"
I wonder what the MPG is like?
eddie ed I’d love to run that test!
How much is the MPG now? what is the cost of a CJ5 or CJ7 ?
eddie ed IDK. Check eBay Motors?
what is the ebay ad ?
eddie ed Check Cummins’ website for pricing info on the engine. Search eBay for CJ auctions.
Create at 6 BT package and I would do it. 160 HP is a horrible thought. Jeeps are already under powered as it is.
1/2 of people who swap 4BTs don't want a computer anywhere near their Jeep.
Me poedrian explicar es español yo quero modificr mi jeep con un 4 o 6bt nesecito me asesoren
Which gearbox is connected to this Cummins 2.8 (ISF?) engine?
California legal yet?
A 4.8 or 5.3 LS with a supercharger is much wiser and way more powerful
i want this in australia
they're in photon trucks there.
you mean FOTON or they are calling it Photon over there ?
Yes, it is foton
Theres a company here that import Cummins engines
I'd swap a 2007 JKU!
So hoping they'll get approval soon beyond the '99 Wrangler model year limit!
Considering how constantly emissions standards keep changing, what may be legal now, may not be legal tomorrow. Cummins needs to be aware of that when developing a new engine, of any size.
Not exactly Cummins' first rodeo there pal.
@@moparproud3978 I imagine it's a challenge with their full-sized 6BT Diesel engines.
O no said pop
Sounds great, but at around 7 grand for that motor plus everything else. Ls swap all day long.
Still cheaper than a new ride.
Try $9000 cumminsengines.com/repower.aspx
for low speed offroad stuff, this Cummins will beat any LS any day. the diesel can idle over almost anything, and it will probably go 3 times as far in terms of fuel economy. And that is Cummins' target crowd.
9k per the Cummings website.
2005 jeep grand Cherokee
It's "50 state legal", but they won't sell it in Texas or West Virginia. Ha
Can I put this in a 99 dodge stratus
2:04 my man does NOT approve 💀😭
$9000, 161hp. Yeaaaah how about no
do you understand the point of a diesel engine? it's all about low end torque. 267 lb-ft@1500-3000 RPM. you can literally idle over any boulder, cruise while towing at peak torque. This is not a race car's engine, it's meant for off road and overlanding road trips.
That's what gearing is for.
yes i agree gearing goes a long way, but that doesn't disprove my point that it's not about the HP. HP doesn't mean much off road and long road trips. but if you said no to $9000 for 267 lb-ft, i would have agreed with you.
Did you say torque?
Here are some specs on the jeep´s 4.0 L6:
1987 173 @ 4,500 - 215 @ 3,000
1988 177 @ 4,500 - 224 @ 2,500
1992 190 @ 4,750 -225 @ 4,000*
2003 190 - 235
@ $2000.00 for a new long block
The R2.8 is 503 pounds:
161 hp @ 3600 / 267 lb-ft @1500-3000 RPM
@ $9000.00
Youre better off with a stroker jeep engine:
Golen Engine 4.6L Jeep Stroker Engine with its 270hp and 300 ft lbs of torque
$4000.00 to $4400.00
Alberto Mora but does a stroker get 30mpg?
Fiero anyone?
lol - Interesting side note... there "was" a pretty substantial Fiero Museum in Northern Michigan (who knew)... 'til the recent and unprecedented Spring floods (May 2020) ended up taking out two earthen dams that wiped out the museum and a large part of the small town where the museum was located.
it's absolute bullshit that they put any restrictions on what you put in YOUR vehicle.
Less power and torque than the TDI in my Volkswagen Passat, which only has 2.0 liters. Just saying.
Oh, and my old '99 New Beetle TDI is still going after nearly 400,000 original miles, 250K of those as a test bed for extreme mods. (Big injectors, huge turbos, etc.) Never been opened up. Runs like new.
Seems like the Cummins should be able to make more grunt than that.
well u get 1000hp out a 6bt and 750 respectively from the 4bt .. think I'm exaggerating.. TH-cam.. seeing is believing
its called emissions. just saying
And it's way quiter, rev's up 1000+ RPM higher, good reliability...
I would swat my Xterra engine
Clifford C ive been considering this as well.. just the 3.3t more power. an ur not dropping ten stacks on a ecm n harness. Its a diesel .. no comp. needed. . seriously contact me. I'm scheming on a big group effort.
Mike you have my attention. But what do you mean no comp needed?
well the good ol cummins is the only diesel I'm aware of at least. that does not have nor could you install glow plugs for a old school Cummins to run you only need two things power to turn it on and power to shut it off
and with that beautiful Talent of combustion via compression there's nothing to go wrong componentwise and I know 4bts& b3.3t are outragesly high. rebuilt or not.. you're better off finding a service truck that has a 4B Etc or a school bus that has a brand new motor in it and tranny and they're usually sell them for like 45 or 7000.. here's my Kicker I want 2 collaborate with a diesel mechanic I'm good friends with an our odd ball mix of gear heads.. an other xterra/frontier owners.. .. our family owns a glass franchise 90% is auto n heavy equipment. as well I have a working relationship with a very large electric supply company.. "sets the massive supply lines" and a paving company/equipment resellers. they both have that edge I need to get these motors cheap. I'm focusing on first gen 2003-4 .. . actually bought a xterra bout 8 months ago unseen. for 500. an I drive it daily. just picked up a 4x4 to do a total frame swap after ive rebuilt all seals. n component upgrade. then jdm motor n tranny. in the mean time.. gotta get me some motors to rebuild . an mock up frame..
I want to establish a set of configurations that are dependable .. and reliability of the drivetrain. what tranny. adapter plates..will stock axles twist?.. what if I slam a 2000 frontier to the ground and boost the he'll out of it?? whats gonna be the weak ness. once we establish that. we can focus on applications. old Cherokee. geo tracker. there is a vehicle for every walk of life. an I'm getting sick of cars costing more and becoming more complicated and less reliable..
catapiller
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Jeep wj