Truly an historic concert. I regret not having been there. Carlos conducted both the Mozart and the Brahms at faster tempi than usual. But both worked. That night's Brahms was lean, athletic, propulsive, not lush, relaxed, nostalgic Brahms. Love hearing the audience chanting "bis," in fruitless hope of an encore. Even after decades of listening to Carlos, I remain one of his passionate admirers. Although I had the honor of visiting his gracious sister, Veronika, in her room at Casa Verdi in 2016, I will go to the grave regretting that I never had the chance to hear Carlos conduct in person. I spent 1976-77 in the Stuttgart area but that was before I became aware of Carlos. Had I been aware that he was conducting the BSO, I could have taken the train to Munich to hear him. Alas, that was not to be. What a great but deeply troubled genius. What a pity his stolid father was so insensitive to Carlos's wish to become a conductor and so sparing in his recognition of his talent. This insensitivity left deep permanent wounds on Carlos's psyche. I believe that the only time he felt fulfilled was when he was on the podium conducting a great orchestra. The unmatched Neujahrskonzerte of 1989 and 1992 will live on for another century. Never have Strauss's works sounded so Viennese; never such gestural expressivity and corporeal elegance. Thank you, Carlos, for enriching my life with your artistry and personality.
Thank you for this lovely tribute. I believe your insights could well be right. You have to see Carlos as well as hear him. The most visually beautiful of conductors in that his graceful movements and joyous smile make it so.
Ciao Robert, sai che in gran parte sono d'accordo con te ma non su tutto (ad esempio, sul padre). Bellissime parole le tue e bellissimo il concerto di Pompei ma anche il "Beethoven Symphony 4 & 7 Concertgebouw Orchestra 1983" ad Amsterdam che non mi stanco mai di vedere ed ascoltare. Sono felice che tu abbia fatto in tempo a conoscere Veronika.
I could not have said it better. Just a quick anecdote: I first discovered Carlos whilst researching public notables born on July 3rd, as was I. And up came this conductor I had never heard of. I listened to his work and was immediately won over.
Selon le New York Times il y a quelques années, Carlos Kleiber est considéré comme le plus grand chef d'orchestre de tous les temps, et je suis bien entendu entièrement d'accord avec eux
De los grandes directores vi actuar a maazel muti celebidache solti menujin pero a kleibert no pude verlo actuar tambien a barenboin para mi estaba entre los tres primeros del escalafon
Kleiber was certainly the greatest conductor who ever lived. That said, I think that the orchestra was too large for today's taste. The sound is rather heavy, almost romantic in texture.
@@Quotenwagnerianer до ЖД да даже ж жжёт ю Дю ю Дю Дю дюжина ж Дю ЖД ЖЖ ЖЖ Дю Дю ЖЖ Дю Дю ю.мб об аюобр..п по. Оььо́ьо́ороооооооооори́ооодоожодоо́оооожжжжжжжо́ожожоожо́о́ожо́ожжжжжжжжжжжжоо́жээожжжжжжжжжжжжжэжжжжжжжжожжжжжжэжэжжээжжжжжжэжжжжжжжжжжжжожжжэээжэжжжжжжжжэжжэээээжээжжжжжжж доочистки со слов что со слов со слов ож
Well for Celi even a snail was too fast. So many of his performances were unbearably slow, listen to some of his Bruckner recordings, he completely destroys the musical line. I won't deny that it works sometimes (his Bruckner 8 with the Munich Philharmonic for example is incredible) but most of the time it doesn't (his Bruckner 7 for example). On the contrary, I know only a few recordings of Kleiber that aren't absolutely amazing. Listen to his version of Brahms' second symphony with the VSO from 1991, available here on TH-cam, it's much better than the version in this video. And afterwards you could listen to Celi's version from the same year which is not bad but completely lifeless compared to Kleiber who lets the music breathe and who creates so much colour and contrast while Celi just plods along. There's a liveliness and a sense of joy in Kleiber's performances that you won't find anywhere else. Certainly not in Celi's monumental interpretations.
Truly an historic concert. I regret not having been there. Carlos conducted both the Mozart and the Brahms at faster tempi than usual. But both worked. That night's Brahms was lean, athletic, propulsive, not lush, relaxed, nostalgic Brahms. Love hearing the audience chanting "bis," in fruitless hope of an encore. Even after decades of listening to Carlos, I remain one of his passionate admirers. Although I had the honor of visiting his gracious sister, Veronika, in her room at Casa Verdi in 2016, I will go to the grave regretting that I never had the chance to hear Carlos conduct in person. I spent 1976-77 in the Stuttgart area but that was before I became aware of Carlos. Had I been aware that he was conducting the BSO, I could have taken the train to Munich to hear him. Alas, that was not to be. What a great but deeply troubled genius. What a pity his stolid father was so insensitive to Carlos's wish to become a conductor and so sparing in his recognition of his talent. This insensitivity left deep permanent wounds on Carlos's psyche. I believe that the only time he felt fulfilled was when he was on the podium conducting a great orchestra. The unmatched Neujahrskonzerte of 1989 and 1992 will live on for another century. Never have Strauss's works sounded so Viennese; never such gestural expressivity and corporeal elegance. Thank you, Carlos, for enriching my life with your artistry and personality.
Thank you for this lovely tribute. I believe your insights could well be right. You have
to see Carlos as well as hear him. The most visually beautiful of conductors
in that his graceful movements and joyous smile make it so.
Ciao Robert, sai che in gran parte sono d'accordo con te ma non su tutto (ad esempio, sul padre). Bellissime parole le tue e bellissimo il concerto di Pompei ma anche il "Beethoven Symphony 4 & 7 Concertgebouw Orchestra 1983" ad Amsterdam che non mi stanco mai di vedere ed ascoltare. Sono felice che tu abbia fatto in tempo a conoscere Veronika.
I could not have said it better. Just a quick anecdote: I first discovered Carlos whilst researching public notables born on July 3rd, as was I. And up came this conductor I had never heard of. I listened to his work and was immediately won over.
Faster tempi likely due to the dry open-air acoustic. Great conductors understand this relationship.
Selon le New York Times il y a quelques années, Carlos Kleiber est considéré comme le plus grand chef d'orchestre de tous les temps, et je suis bien entendu entièrement d'accord avec eux
Thank you very much
Grazie!!!
Grazie
Thank you, thank you.
Why couldn't they fix the camera on Kleiber alone?
Genial
De los grandes directores vi actuar a maazel muti celebidache solti menujin pero a kleibert no pude verlo actuar tambien a barenboin para mi estaba entre los tres primeros del escalafon
クライバーの快演を聞いていると、なぜかベームの偉大さに気づく 変人クライバーと親しかったベームだが、実際彼の地位はとても高かった、それが理解できない人が多いようだが、音質が近年非常に上がり、ベームにしかない凄さというものを実感できるようになった、カラヤンのように独特の造形とドライブ力なのだが、ベームの音作りは、純音楽的で芸術性が高い カラヤンの一般ウケするロマンティックな音作りとは全く違うものだ、ウィーンフィルの名誉指揮者 オーストリア音楽総監督 などなど、地元では揺るぎないこれ以上ない地位を確立していた、ウィーン市民からアメリカ怨憎旅行の大成功をよく思われず、ウィーン国立歌劇場音楽監督を追い出された経験から、あらゆる地位につかなかったが、まさに２０世紀を代表する指揮者だった 再生音質が素晴らしくなれば本物の評価が出てくるだろう、生で聞いたことのある私は、想像だにしていないほどの音を当時ウィーンフィルから引き出していた、生の音を聞けば彼が最大最高の指揮者であったことが誰しもわかるはず
I was there!
You were?! That must have been an extraordinary evening. It would be wonderful if you would please share some of your memories of that evening.
C'è UN INFELICE
ma perche?
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Bellissimo. Ma Kleiber era del 1930 😉
Ha ragione!! Scusi... Un refuso..ho corretto. Grazie per la segnalazione.
era il suo padre.
La retrasmicion del concierto bastante mala
Kleiber was certainly the greatest conductor who ever lived. That said, I think that the orchestra was too large for today's taste. The sound is rather heavy, almost romantic in texture.
You will always want to at least double the forces when playing open air.
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Celi was right abt this guy..conducts everything too fast.....Celibidache remaims the best conductor ever by a long shot
Well for Celi even a snail was too fast. So many of his performances were unbearably slow, listen to some of his Bruckner recordings, he completely destroys the musical line. I won't deny that it works sometimes (his Bruckner 8 with the Munich Philharmonic for example is incredible) but most of the time it doesn't (his Bruckner 7 for example). On the contrary, I know only a few recordings of Kleiber that aren't absolutely amazing. Listen to his version of Brahms' second symphony with the VSO from 1991, available here on TH-cam, it's much better than the version in this video. And afterwards you could listen to Celi's version from the same year which is not bad but completely lifeless compared to Kleiber who lets the music breathe and who creates so much colour and contrast while Celi just plods along. There's a liveliness and a sense of joy in Kleiber's performances that you won't find anywhere else. Certainly not in Celi's monumental interpretations.
With his talent he could have done anything, but he chose to make such a strange career. A little neurotic, perhaps?
not really, following his dad's footsteps.
@@alfredoxu7926 Il padre non voleva che diventasse direttore d'orchestra.
CURIOSO, ORIGINALE, FINISSIMO, SINGOLARE, MA PER CERTE ESECUZIONI ASSAI DISCUTIBILE , E RIPETIAMO CERTE, SONO UNO SCHIFO INASCOLTABILE (VEDI SCHUBERT)
Schubert inascoltabile? Ahahahahah
La terza e l'ottava con i Wiener, edizione DG? Per me meravigliose
Nonsense. Carlos's Schubert 8 with die Wiener Philharmoniker is magnificent.