Prime Jordan vs Prime LeBron: Who’s The G.O.A.T.?!?
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- As we conclude watching "The Last Dance," let's settle the debate once and for all. Was Michael Jordan better than LeBron James? Do we really have to wait til LeBron's career is completely over? Let us know in the comments! #LastDance #MichaelJordan #LeBronJames
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I am sure this comment thread is going to be very friendly with no arguments at all!
I think you're wrong, and here's why...
James Malloy I know you are very right Michael Jordan is the goat and that's facts
LBJ will poop on Mike’s lawn and tell him to pick it up
Big country's poundcake yes
Big country's poundcake nope
i legit just watched a 13 minute video to hear “you decide”😒
lmaoooo
Its true. Its not like hes the final decider on whos the goat. Its just another opinion. But he made it obvious who his choice is by the last line that he said and faded out on Jordan.
Mike Alaniz wait what i listened back and i didnt hear him say jordan unless you interpreted “you in” to jor-dan
@@sethmackenzie2839 "im prepared to say who i choose, even if its by the slightest of hairs" and fades on Jordan. That seems pretty obvious to me he chooses Jordan. Besides its the right answer because Jordan never choked in the finals.
Mike Alaniz i understand so jordan never choked in the finals and that phrase was a referance to him😂 maybe i just take things to litteraly since i never heard him say jordan
Jordan's game 6 in the 1998 NBA Finals was his greatest performance. He knew that his best chance to win was game 6 and with Pip being out, Jordan carried that team. He made all of the right plays in those final 40 seconds and sunk that dagger that cemented his legacy.
Thinking that Jordan's last shot as a bull was what "cemented his legacy" is so cute it's hilarious.
MJ’s career was unreal to me, retired 3 times, so many iconic moments and achieved majority of his legacy in only 11 full seasons.
13 with the Bulls and 2 with the Wizards but ok.
@@hornetsxo4694 lame the man said 11 full seasons..
Alexis Moore MJ says he played 13 with the Bulls
@@hornetsxo4694 youre not wrong, but if you technically look at the amount he actually played, its a lil over 11 seasons worth as a bull. he only played 18 reg season games his sophomore year cus of a foot injury, not like he played his reg min when he came back either. they unleashed him in the playoffs against the celtics. he came back from retirement in '95 with like 17 games left in the reg season.
@@hornetsxo4694 nigga but 2 of those seasons weren’t fully played they were about 20 games each because of injury and his retirement
Just wait for the Game of Zones finale to find out.
RIP Sun Kings. Your easy 8 wins will be missed.
BPDMF hahahaha
I don't know anything about Sun Kings, but Sun Kings in trouble.
"He said whattt??!!"
Just in case someone do not get the joke...
th-cam.com/video/Kb2TuiY-wd4/w-d-xo.html
I thought it was King Suns
Easy, it's Paul Pierce!
The king!
😂😂😂late to the video/comment but still love the reference.
Lol not close
Jk
I saw Paul pierce name on goat debate and I like instantly 😅😂
Jordan is the GOAT and Draymond is the DONKAY
😂😂😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂😂
👏👏👏👏👏😂😂😂 I salute you sir.
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@Shadow... or JACKASS
I knew Michael Jordan even before I started watching basketball. And I was born after he retired.
I'm just gonna sit, pick up the popcorns and enjoy the fight out here in the comments
I'm just happy I got to see them both play.
I'm with the drinks.
Hahahah
🍿🥤🥤🍭🍬🍬 brought the food so we can enjoy the fight, come and take one.
MJ Is The Goat
@jason roman Hey Jason All I'm Going Too Say Is 6 In 0 VS 3 In 6 Period
We all know the goat is number 23
Yes, Draymond Green is the 🐐
Damn right🤨
Yeah the Original
@@dsgcleach_25 but Draymond Green isnt the original.
Definitely not number 6
I'm just gonna say this: MJ averaged 35 ppg and won dpoy the same year
Prime MJ was a monster!
None of that "saving yourself for offense bullshit!"
@@digimon3522 he played all 82 games in almost every season
No load management also, and there wasn't evem that "play off mode" shit, MJ always dominated
PLAYED AGAINST SUBSTITUTE TEACHERS
@@thetruth14444 you clown lol
@@thetruth14444 yet, LeBron handpicked his teammates and played with numerous star players and still has'nt even threepeated once!!
Michael Jordan to Reggie Miller:"sure but dont talk to black Jesus like that".
@Clay Slade it's probably because Jordan became Bird's bitch and we know he's a trash talker, he probably meant it as "I'm better than Jesus himself" and we all know what happened the next game after he said that.
Even if it’s by the slightest of h”AIR”s? 🤔
bwahahaha
cuz, you know, 3-6 vs 6-0 is sooooo tough to understand the significance of :D
or the lack of it :)
@@shaft9000 Rings don't tell the whole story. You arent going to tell me KD is better than Lebron because he's 2-2.
Or that Bill Russel is the goat because he has 11 rings.
Matthew Tyo bill russel played against bus drivers,plumbers n janitors😭😂😭
@@47hundo86 that's my point. my point is that "rings are the only measure by which we measure greatness" is an idiodic premise, which you seem to agree with.
There is a perfectly legitimate reason to call MJ the GOAT, look at his scoring titles.
It's important to note that it took MJ just 11 seasons to do a majority of his damage. It took Lebron 17 just to get close. Like the kids say nowadays, "there are levels to this".
Lol wut
@@mrsmiw you gotta be a moron if you did not understand what he said.
I agree with you but it's kinda like holding it against LBJ that he came out of high school.
you can't knock lebron for coming from highschool also since when is longevity a downside?
DaCosta Smith nobody is saying it’s a downside, it’s just EXTRA impressive what MJ did in less time
Jordan's D was debilitating. The way he could take over on both sides of the court was unparalleled.
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😳
I'm surprised he even dares to compare LeBron to MJ in that respect.
@@genustinca5565 lebron can guard every position on the court with equal effectiveness, no one in nba history can claim to do that
Thats what she said
"Kids today are going to swear that LeBron James is the greatest ever because when you look at him play, it's hard to imagine there being someone better than that, but kids I'm here to tell you, there was someone better than that."-Max Kellerman.
Oww yes yes!
imagine if you grew up watching Wilt Chamberlain.
@@camelemosbleu781 You'd be in a wheelchair by now then
@@johnmalana7965 nah I'm saying, it just depends on the time zones 🤷🏽♂️ wilt was a beast, Kareem, Bill, pistol, The legend himself cousy, Julius Irving, Larry lol, Magic, And you already know MJ, those players don't get respect like MJ, which sucks they deserve it, just mj was in the perfect situation lol he got dog players and one of the best wing defenders ever, I would say the greatest but I'm a bit biased because of kawhi Leonard haha, and the best rebounder of all time. Dennis roddman
if max kellerman says it.. that puts an end to the debate foh sure
This intro had me ready to run through a brick wall
@@rsh650 th-cam.com/channels/PFORjQxx709qqz-RxZpgRQ.html
Can you check out my vid about Giannis?
lebron's career is not done yet but man MJ had the most perfect career any basketball player can only dream of.
Yep, that's why they say that you have to be perfect if you wanna beat Jordan's legacy, he had too many achievements in a little less than a decade. Being the best offensive and defensive player in the same season, and leading the Bulls to the 2 triplets by being the best scorer in those 2 lapses.
Nah Tim Duncan had a better career
Sergio Next bruh
Minus the wizard days, he shouldn't have come back, it lost a bit of the mythology
@Deep Mind X bill was 11 and 1 in the finals
Bird was the best teammate. He was versatile, unselfish, tough, and an underrated defender.
Shidd, Prime MJ vs Prime any player is unfair. So I'll go 2and 3PEAT version MJ vs Prime LeBron. Still give me MJ an it ain't even close!
Nah, it’s definitely close.
Lmao if anything it’s definitely close
"Even if it's by the slightest of hairs" I see what you did there 😉
game of zone kobe to lebron lol
what does it mean
@@ryanlam2394 slightest of h"AIR"s he's said Mj is the goat
Slightest of hairs because Lebron is the only one with hair 😏
Go and check out my LeBron Vs MJ GOAT 🐐 video. It’s an in depth comparison, and clearly answers the question of who the NBA GOAT is 🔥👀
Jordan averages more offensive rebounds than lebron even though he averages less total rebounds. Something to think about when it comes to that statistical category.
One knows how to play without the ball in his hands. The other doesn't. Just another star that proves it
what is the stat? offensive rebounds is basically gold for guards hehe.. westbrook defensive rebounds must not count hehe but offensive rebounds well that is great
@@ardinhajihil5011 westbrook and MJ are pound for pound better rebounders. LeBron has 50lbs and 3 inches on MJ and avg just 1 more Reb lmao
I was shocked they have the same career blocks avg, LeBron being a foot taller
Mj played in an era where they were less possessions and slower pace and yet still have near better figures than lebron. Plus mj didnt choke away a chip
I’ve seen all the stats for both... at this point, I don’t care about the numbers. One thing I know for sure... no one looked better on the court (and in the air) than MJ. NO ONE.
I completely agree
@@NVTwistedProductions yup. Smoothest player in the court. He makes the game look easy.
@@mlaverage1683 lebron james is not the goat..... th-cam.com/video/3wuRlCnGRYQ/w-d-xo.html
Exactly.
Even though, MJ also wins the stats and accolades competition. 😁
So MJ looked better?? OK, I will buy that. MJ looked better....Lebron is better
"It's not a fair comparison,
Michael jordan is a far more superior player"
Hakeem the dream olajuwon
The dream is top 10 for most all time plus lebron went to Hakeem camp to learn footwork and post up game
@@eazymoneymane7789 hakeem spoke those words about jordan.
@@Tbone2044 , I know
Link where Hakeem is saying this when compared to LeBron
@@superdopehiphop th-cam.com/video/8xj0zNOV1nw/w-d-xo.html
For me is so simple: MJ is the GOAT, and I think he'll always be. That been said, my favorite player of all time will always be LBJ. And I don't need to disrepect one to love the other. Just enyoj
I like your point.
I wish everyone was as logical as you. It's called GREATEST of All Time not favorite player. I love both players neither is my favorite player ever but I love them both and recognize their greatness.
@@justicedavis5705 So great to find people thinking like you. Yes, to be honest, MJ is very, very far from my Top 15 of favorite players, but still I know he is the GOAT, and I love watching his games and highlights. That simple. Just to know, who is your favorite player(s)?
@@champFichtnerBourne I'm a Laker fan so Kobe and Magic are my top 2 then It's probably Jordan. Outside of those 3 most of my favorite players are shorter guys because their playstyle was easier to imitate so A.I. and Tim Hardaway.
@@justicedavis5705 Cool! I loved Kobe so much! I exaggerated saying MJ is not in my Top 15 hahahaha sorry btw. Sadly, As I told u LBJ is my favorite, but as a Suns fans, Steve Nash comes in 2nd, then Chris Paul. I also like those kind of short and fast players
With how people so comfortably established Jordan as the GOAT (sometimes even before his second repeat), for LeBron to even contest that #1 spot is already an incredible achievement
That’s due to the media. They never debated whether he was better than Shaq, Magic, Kareem, Bird or even Russell
Jamal Jones for a long time it was Wilt then Kareem. If you talk to my grandpa he’ll argue forever about how Wilt is so much better than Jordan it’s all generational
Its not really that incredible. When LeBron retires they will find someone else to "contest" Michael Jordan's status as GOAT.
@@RobertJohnson-nz3xm probably Giannis if he keeps his play up
@@jrock14w Not even Russell?
Didn’t even mention half the stuff mj had accomplished
Jordan : 2-Way Offensive threat
Lebron : Playmaking slasher
Slasher? The disrespect
vrrs He’s not wrong though? Westbrook’s a playmaking slasher also?
vrrs so you gonna act like lebron dont be attacking the rim while playmaking?🤦🏿♂️
40% from 3 means nothing??
@@No-Hassle playmakers can hit 3s
9:30 was actually in 2012. 2011 was Dirk's big year
You mean 2010 2011
@@mattheww4019 he is talking about the 2012 one he said he won the chip
Shhh... Don’t bring 2011 up. LBJ fans get triggered...
also lebron choke year
2011 Was Dirk's and my fellow puertorican JJ Barea's year!!!!!!!!!!
Prime Jordan was just athletically ridiculous, specially in 88-89 season, when he was casually making i think 3 foot jump shots vertically, it's like every shot was a pause in the air, and he was also very quick and dunking on big dudes like so easy, up to this date I've never seen somebody even close to doing it.
Facts bro . Im still amazed watching him on TH-cam the things he could do was simply breath taking . Like u said I've still to the date never seen anything any man do what he could do and never lose in the big game that is unheard of..
MJ's moves are just off the charts compared to LBJ's one move bulldozer.
yeah and no major injuries, also overrated defender the only defense he know is chasedown block to look cool
I give lebron credit for taking good care of his body and at his age playingbon a high level... but MJ never backed down on any of his finals appearance.
@@gabinidal6908 the so-called goat debate it gives you insight into how depraved human brains are because I'm older guy I watched MJ's whole career to the Finish and I don't even remember anyone ever making a big hubbub about him being the best or the greatest of all time it was just right there in your face. So it seems like nowadays if you like a certain player or like a certain thing that you have to make it appear to be the best or greatest of all time otherwise ... is like it's nothing
@@donjohnswaggert its the NBA's doing imo .. after MJ retired, the league's ratings were declining... so they had to market someone who can fill in or they can claim to be the GOAT... its all for the ratings 💰 🤑 💸
@@gabinidal6908 there is actually a documentary where are the three gentlemen who changed the rules in the NBA to promote offense clearly stated that they knew the NBA was totally changed forever
Who is the GOAT ?
The man that refuse to lose when it
Really really really really count
Any questions?
Doesn’t it always count tho?
@S C Russell and Kareem have better arguments. Kareem has more wins and championships combined across all levels or play. Conference championships are good for win averages, 1st round exits are bad for averages.
@S C if it always counts, I give them a draw. 4 extra Conference championships is good accumulation.
@S C Can’t have a finals without a conference championship. This is why I mentioned who I mentioned, especially Kareem.
I factor direct matchups, team/organization strength, trends/play styles, rules(zone, hand checking, illegal defense, 3 in a key, etc), “context”, years played, stats, percentages/averages, teammates, coaching, schemes.
Luke longley ??
“Can he stop Jason Terry?”
That ended the goat debate right there
Can Who Stop Jason Terry MJ Hell Yeah He Can No Question
Andre Morton Jr its lbj you dumb
"Can he post up JJ Barea?"
Kobe certainly couldn't stop Terry
Jordan's finesse is such a marvel 🤩🙌🏾
MJ all the way! its the speed and agility, Michael wasn't that big but there comes the technique. I wish these videos were less diplomatic and take a stand on who is better
nah bron did way more then mj if they were both to 1v1 is Bron taking the dub he's more of an all around player.
@@thatze3836 I think maybe MJ could slow down Bron but not to the point of shutting him down
@@TTV_Peppered___ true there was a reason why he was named defensive player.
Yep, MJ
Here is a more informative video
th-cam.com/video/tl3mR6eoEa8/w-d-xo.html
@@thatze3836 Lebron would lose because he would have no one to pass to
Michael Jordan is the single greatest grower and fostered his sport more than ever in the history of professional athletes. This claim will never be substantiated, but I don't think it's too far of a stretch to say that more people on this planet know of, and or are fans of, and play basketball because of Michael Jordan than any other single reason that could be named. His level of fame made his sport better simply because he was alive to play it. No other professional athlete can make that claim with the possible exception of Muhammad Ali, but THAT is the caliber of person we're talking about here. Numbers and stats are what they are, but it's the intangible fact that Jordan simply exists to play basketball that makes him the greatest of all time.
tony hawk.
Ok American Boomer.
Sounds like you watched 1 sport XD
Tiger woods
If ali sold his ppl out, went to fight in Vietnam and did anything to avoid hurting his sponsorships and contracts. But no mj was just lucky the league and nike were both going bankrupt at the same time and needed a star
Once Jordan hit his prime, no one else could win unless he wasn't there. No one else can say they were unbeatable.
Facts
Gary Payton, Karl Malone, & Hakeem didn’t form a super team to prove otherwise tho
The team won the championship last time I checked
no one else can say they had phil jackson!!! arguably the goat coach and a strong supporting cast. edit: it’s crazy the way people attack you for making a comment about a basketball player. imagine worshipping another man so much you’re triggered at the mere idea of someone not revering them as much as you do. y’all gotta start getting some hobbies and doing more fulfilling things with your lives 😭
Lol Bron got beaten by Golden State in 2015. Don't bring the Kyrie argument because we are talking about LeBron's individual accolade.
Nothing is worse than measuring a player by media awards. See: Derek Jeter gold gloves
yeah scoring leader and chips are better for that.. Still jordan
can somebody explain this in basketball terms
Drip Wellington harden winning dpoy
@@Reklss that's a little far fetched I'd say.
Cyber Bully thank u good sir
this is the easiest question, look we all know that the true goat is brian scalabrine.
Jordan: GOAT
Lebron: Mheee mheee
Lolololol lolololol
Short answer: Michael Jordan
Long answer: Michael Jeffery Jordan
ok boomer
😂
I dont get these MJ fans. They are so scared that people will accept that LBJ is better than MJ, they dont even wanna talk about it.
@TheRealist 811 i think it was %63 MJ and %19 or %21 LBJ. And other than that , we all know it was gonna be a MJ documentary. I love how MJ always wait it out for the documentary and then after 2016 Championship, he signed the contracts. Also, this new generation actually can see more footage of both players, can search a lot more stats and numbers about both of them. And because they watch LBJ and they also watch MJ too, they can decide who is better. If u look into +30 years people, most of them stuck to past and cant admit that LBJ is better. if not, cant admit he is really close to MJ and MJs Legacy. I am a basketball and LBJ fan, a Curry, a Kobe Fan. A MJ fan too. But MY GOAT is without a doubt LBJ. Lately, ive been talking and arguing about it a lot, so i search evwrything, every championship and playoff run MJ and LBJ had, every stats etc. I watch higglights and lowlights of both of them. And by the time, i came to realise LBJ is just better. And even tho MJ has 6-0 and scoring titles. LBJ's legacy and wht LBJ has done in his career is just greater than MJ. You shouldnt act like the only achievement in basketball are championships, finals record. But MJ is my 2nd without a doubt, so i respect people who puts him ahead of Bron. Btw I believe people will come to realise that LBJ is just better than MJ in 10-20 years. I really can see thats happening.
@TheRealist 811 most guys, like i said, is stuck there and car get out and admit LBJ's greatness but ofc its their opinion. Lebron literally helped Kyrie become who he is now, without MJ there was always gonna be Pippen. Pippen is a really really good player. I dont believe without LBJ, Kyrie is being a superstar. He has the skills and everything but he became the man thx to Bron. You said MJ never leaver Chicago. There is something slightly important to talk about there. MJ had an almost superteam after Pippen joined, im not talkinh about the last 3 championships, that was absolute nuts. But even with Pippen and decent role players, a nearsuper team. Compare to what LBJ got and what he faced to what MJ got and what he faced; we both know MJ had more advantage. Even in Miami, even in 2013, he had to carry even that team to the finals when Bosh and Wade playing like shit. If u watch those games you know what im talkin about. Other than that, James all career stats are easily better than MJ's Chicago* career stats. LBJ's playoff and finals games are easily more succesful than MJ's and if you look to game score leadings etc. You can see what im talkin about. Even with that much scoring title youd think MJ is the most efficient player, but most of the people say LBJ cant shoot and MJ isnt even more efficient than LBJ himself. Not in paint not in 3P line not in Long range. Im not saying MJ isnt great. Those watch u wrote there is awesome, but if u watch games, playoff runs, finals, all time stats; if u search how game score and efficiency works, how much both MJ and LBJ helped their team and how much LBJ is better(but still cant win those 6 finals). Look its simple dude, put LBJ in MJ spot. LBJ is winning at least 5 championships likr MJ did, Put MJ in LBJ's spot MJ is winning 1 mayybe 2 Miami championship probably 2011 or 2012 at best. And no other championships. And MJ is not even going to finals in 07, 17, 18. Thats my point. BTW TYSM FOR READING MY COMMENTS AND CHAT.
isn't lebron's prime literally his whole career
if you ask the media he was in his prime in hs too
jason williams u are the media
Yet lebons prime < MJ post prime
No way lol. I would say just Miami was his prime. He wasn't as good before and he wasn't as good after
So lebron prime his whole career? So that means he got swept 2 times, lost to Jason terry, got gentleman swept, got beat by the biggest margin in finals history spurs, lost to Orlando with only 1 star, missed the playoffs his first 2 seasons, missed the playoffs every year with the lakers, .. has 0 finals game tieng shots, has 0 finals games buzzer beaters, isn't clutch, needed 42 trades since 2010, played with more all-stars than any nba player in history and has 6 losses?
Wow his prime nwas so good😂😂
LeBron James without strength would be an average NBA player but Michael Jordon with out hops would still be in the hall of fame
this is such a dumb assumption and makes no sense
@@user-wb8um6kd8f why is it dumb Jordan had deadly post moves and defense while lebron without his strength and slashing is average
@@vytautasvilunas7346 oh ye and if curry cant shoot he wouldnt make it to the nba. U cant just take away a players strength and say they'll be an average player
Facts !
HOF Coaches have even said, " If Jordan never even Dunked the Basketball, he'd Still be 'The Greatest Player, I'd Ever Seen Play!"
I wonder...does anyone remember LeBron used PED's, but it's all kept hush hush?
They also cause hair loss....
Yet not as athletic as jordan who has the highest vertical in NBA history
@@mattryan9444 vertical is based on height . If you calculated the power output , Zion is the most powerful jumper and lebron is 3rd
@@carletpierre1895 vertical is not based on height thst is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Look up spudd webb. You may be right on Zion but it's not his height
@@mattryan9444 it literally is 😐 , just cause they have a higher vertical doesn’t mean they’ll reach same height in the air .
unrelated, but goats are amazing animals and I love them
goat simulator🔥
Xd I love eating them too 😂😂
Where's the respect for the actual goats?
Leeor Sellouk the best way to show your respect is to turn them into great dish or raise them. It's up to you.
They taste great too
When you have a name like Black Jesus, it’s not even a comparison.
when your name is king james, there’s no comparison
bad vibes what’s a king to a god
@@romerobryan83 except Jesus wasn't a god😬
Why we talking about Kanye?
Jesus was pretty dark
6 rings in 7 years, of course Mj is light years a head of LB.
Not how it works
@@luka5465 exactly
He played more then 7 years in the nba..
Mj never chocked in the finals...
@@Luckydoobie671 lebron choked one finals let it go lol
prime jordan way way more completive then lebron will ever bee. he was just too strong
We’re still doing this?
Sadly
Tonight last episode Last Dance. Hopefully no more debate afterwards.
@@chasam1 espn lives of this crap sadly.
snap patruce yea let’s compare 2 completely different players, with different play styles, in different eras and rules, with no context. And try to determine who’s better 🤣
@@chocolatedrop4578 it's not hard actually.
Im 34 and can go back to MJ beating Portland in the finals. So I've seen the bulk of Championship MJ. He was definitely amazing man. Hands down. I've seen Brons career in it's entirety. Both are legendary. U can't deny that. Im definitely more of a Bron fan than MJ but i do feel MJ is Goat. Im just glad my guy is in the conversation. Im also glad i got to witness 2 of the best to ever do it. Great video btw
I can come up with a bunch of statistical reasons why MJ is better, but in the end what I always start with is the caliber of players Lebron has had is so much better than MJ. Wade, Bosh, Kyrie, Love, Davis, are all more impressive individual players than Pippen ever was. Pippen statistically was equivalent to an Antawn Jamison, although Jamison had more elite years. And ironically Jamison is one of the players on the Lebron teams that everyone says had no good players.
@@dash4800 ok
@@dash4800 but the rest of the league is also better. Almost every team in the league has someone on the bench now with a 46 inch vertical or better. Players are faster and stronger. Even ish Smith and dj Augustine out here breaking ankles shooting 3's amd dunking as back up point guards. Along with LeBron not getting the opportunity to Charles Barkley his way into so many more points. Ie. Back someone down in the post for 11 seconds. And the luxery of forcing the other team to play man against you do to rules.
@@321madmatt the players didnt get that much stronger or faster, the technology and trainingmethods got way better. lbj benefits as much from this as anyone else today
@@CaesarMagnum definitely a case of both. Players are much faster on average, have higher verticals on average. Can dribble and shoot better as a league and I believe are taller to even since the 80s although definitely since the 60s
I respect both players and undoubtedly believe these are the top 2 talents of all time, but stats and comparisons aside, MJ was a pioneer of the game, he was a legend, he was nothing like anyone had seen and put the nba on the world map.. to me he sets the bar for greatness and really is the 1 and only GOAT
The goat is MJ the real #23!!! Lebron's shoes take up too much space in Nike outlets! LOL
Having many people around the league legit FEAR you and nickname you Black Jesus already makes you the GOAT 🐐!!
they weren't good...back then they had no KD, Steph, James Harden, Dame, Russ etc and all the greats of this era that era obviously had some tough great players but be real when we actually compare talent of this era. LeBron being the best for this long compared to players of this era says a lot
@@quxncy9492 none of these current era players would have survived the 80s Pistons in the playoff.
@@quxncy9492 there were definitely great players in every era and especially in the 80s and 90s. Yes Lebron is an all-time great for being great for this long and numbers he has been putting up. Although Bron's career isn't done yet. Jordan's resume is already ridiculous to beat from many all time great, let alone Bron. He's been an All-Star every year he played except for one year coming out of retirement. Averaged almost 30 points as a rookie. 3 peat twice. Give you 35 on one end and lock you up on the other end. All time defensive team 9 times as a first option on offense is so difficult to do throughout the years. This is just a short list too.
QUXNCY how were they not good?
QUXNCY David Robinson, Penny Hardaway, Shaq, Clyde Drexler, Hakeem Olajuwon, Charles Barkley, isiah Thomas, Karl Malone, John Stockton, Reggie Miller, Shawn Kemp, Gary Payton, Patrick Ewing, Magic Johnson. Yeah shut it
I still dont like when saying 15 seasons even though it's really more like 13 regular seasons.
Caesar Augustus De Castro no it’s 15
@@chocolatedrop4578 In reality Jordan only played 11 full Bulls seasons
Exactly what I was thinking lol
@@chocolatedrop4578 technicalities with no context. He barely played a few games in season 2, the rest with minutes restriction for 18 total games and only 17 games in 95.
Watch Dangerproductions Lebron vs Jordan on youtube. Best comparison ever!
I’m 16 years old and every since I was little I’ve watch basketball. I’ve seen the dominance and breakthrough of LeBron but I do not think he should be in the goat subject yet. His career isn’t over, he can achieve much more. Also why is Kobe so overshadowed and just an afterthought? I my opinion the debate should be between Kobe and LeBron. The played in the same era, have multiple championships(Kobe 5). He was also chasing the ghost of Chicago and almost caught him but his body gave up. I believe MJ is in his own territory because NO ONE WILL EVERY REACH THE PEAK HE HAS, 3 peat, 2 times that’s dominance can’t be matched. This doesn’t mean you can’t debate it but he’s in his own special place and will always be known as the GOAT. But LeBron and Kobe make more sense to me.
If anything it should be MJ and Kobe, Kobe had that killer instinct and was dominant he was MJ 2.0
Hakeem Olaijuwon: "MJ is more superior than Lebron". MJ The GOAT!
Jordan is the greatest winner I've ever seen; LeBron is a physical specimen like no other.
Let's just appreciate greatness
Great stat numbers with great number of rings.🐐
Hmmm...Bill Russell w 11 wins would argue that.
@@SugarRay2 he didn't dominate the stats so yeah.
@@Rey-lg8sx Kareem is the best ever in that case..
As far as “physical specimen” Shaq and wilt said hello
I'm just waiting for the day Caruso reaches 🐐 status
boi hes already there LMAO.
I'm waiting for the day mj and lebron reach caruso status
What do you mean waiting
Him AD and lebron are the big 3
He already a walking bucket. You cannot stop but only hope to contain this man.
The story is finished..
MJ is the G.O.A.T...
I'm a LeBron fan and will agree with you and say MJ is the goat the greatest of all time but LeBron is the second greatest of all time. LeBron's argument is that they always got him chasing Jordan when y'all should just be happy that he's second facts
Imagine saying defensive 3 seconds makes it harder to score .
In a hand-check-less era
espcially since bron doesnt post up in the paint
Agreed, it's astounding how people may say that.
So they're implying that players no longer able to contend and sit under the hoop, can no longer bully you down low, can no longer impeded or physically touch you up...is somehow "Harder" to score now?
Lmao...okay.
@@JustFrame21 and there is so much spacing in the modern nba so imagine if jordan or any great interior finishers played today they'd be dropping 40 a game
@@blackscreen1810 if those players were around today they wouldn't have changed the rule.
@Larly bro Giannis MVP, DPOY. Jokic 2 time MVP , and Luka currently in mvp conversation have all 3 said that it is easier to score in the NBA than it is in the European League. That's 🤪 crazy bro. Jordan all day. LeBron is great. I give him more credit for the first half of his career. BUT PRIME JORDAN IS THE GREATEST OF ALL-TIME.
The real goat knows how to play defense.....and no doubt its for jordan
Then why'd Phil Jackson take MJ off Magic and put 6'7" Scottie Pippen and have Pippen pick him up from full court. Because LeBron guards all 5 positions at a rate Jordan can't dream of matching
Easy to do when you go against plumbers on a nightly basis
Bill Russell?? Coz that man has 11 Rings and is one of the greatest defenders
@@zakariakhaled4339 Y'all sound dumb with this Guarding all 5 positions, so you telln me as the Shooting Guard am supposed to leave the Top and go to Mark the Center or the Power or Small Forward am on the Top am only supposed to run bck to help now a Power Forward which is Lebrons True position bcse of his Body size but plays Point Forward after this was invented by Phil for Pip is free to Roam to go with it he's wht 6'7 wht 278lbs just calln a # of pure muscle so yes he can mark any Center of today but put him against Tim even tho he's Stronger he doesn't have the intelligence to mark Tim he's a lost cause against Olajawun n Shaq. As a Power forward there are so many old ones he cnt handle he wud drown in the Ocean swimming to catch Bird he cnt deal with Rodman, Oakley and why those days the game was ruff with all the Complaining travelling and flops tht he does he cudnt make it in yesteryear. Someone said something abt MJ askn for help a mean of course yes he did but Lebron DEMANDED who he wntd to Team up with and thts the difference btwn askn for help.
@@zakariakhaled4339 They Switched bcse Pip is taller than MJ, Magic is wht 6'9 Pip is wht 6'8 a mean y'all serious it's only common sense oooppsss then again I take tht back bcse I realize tht plenty of y'all just go on wht you see plus wht y'all hear and dnt tlk for the inevitable which is y'all Emotions bcse y'all think we hate LBJ bcse we're MJ Fans. A mean we cud spread it right out bcse the most y'all cud say against MJ is tht he cudnt win without Pip and he was a loser in the 80's but we cud say outta 9 consecutive trips to the NBA FINALS LBJ only won 6 and within those 6 losses he was swept 2x, he also Travels Flops and Complains like a Baby in an no hand chkn era, he has only repeated once and he was held to single digits in the 2hlf of a NBA FINALS Game.
So come with all you Stats and the fact tht he can Guard all 6 positions on the Court it still doesn't make him a better player than MJ. ....... SImple whether you like it or not
9:30 The Mavs won the 2011 Finals....
And beat the Lakers who won the year before
Think he meant 2012
@@rundongjiang8297 I know. Making an informative video also means getting your facts right.
@@dennisorantes34 get out with your insults and wrong grammar. Stay objective next time or don't comment at all.
Hey MJ did not play in 1994 and retired. retired in 1999. It is worse than not playing a regular season game and it's his fault. All the regrets you've seen in the documentary, crying for a 7th ring after 20 years lol. Lebron's career is not over yet, wait til he beats all time scoring... something Jordan couldn't do. If LBJ wins this year 28 percent will become 40 percent lolol. Inching closer thats why Jordan made a documentary for people who don't know him lol. ESPN gave no.2 to LBJ which I oppose. I think Kareem is no.2 and not LBJ yet. Media wants this conversation for present and future and it's very obvious.
Nobody will surpass MJ ever...
Lebron
But LeBron already has he was a better teammate a better passer and we will never see another player like him
Fax and anyone who says otherwise started watching basketball yesterday
Right thats why wilt chamberlin average 50 ppg
Im a big Jordan fan, but someone will. This is sports, records are meant to be borken.
Finesse always lasts longer into your career than power.
Jordan > James
Both of the two have finesse and power.. Lebron is still arguably best player in the league in his 17th season. MJ didn't even play 17. Lebron's longevity definitely passes Jordan's.
TheRealist 81 lebron is crazy swift tho
This is a dumb argument. Basketball is as simple as putting the basketball into the hoop. You can talk about how beautiful Jordan's fadeaway was but at the end of the day, those shots and Lebron's shots are worth the same points. Lebron's freight train ability helps his case of being better.
Lmao you sure bro? LeBron James Has been dominating with power for 17 seasons. Most of which he’s played deeep into the playoffs and he’s still going strong
@@camrose306 And he came back with a losing record in the finals. Maybe he added more finesse and fundamentals to his game, he would accomplish more.
Jordan: Scored 38 points with flu.
Lebron: Blocked Thiago Spliter.
More like food poisoning
We know that Jordan pushed him and refs now know that it's a foul.
@Monkieeeeeee lebron cannot even beat jordan's record which is not losing 3 straight for 8 years straight
@@Hunterchameil pippen did the same thing
@@kennyladarryl5360 uhh no, pretty sure that 3 game ws for Pippen was broken when MJ was gone
I couldn’t do what he did at 2:09- on a five foot rim.
Neal how
MJ is the G.O.A.T. No question about that. Period.
Fax
I've said it before on other threads. But I'm going to say it again. I understand how many of the Greats did what they did. I was never able to do those things myself, but I understood the techniques. I have NO IDEA HOW MIKE DID WHAT HE DID!! MIKE IS THE GOAT!!!!!!!
I beg to differ. Mike was a killer. And all these people that were around to see it then have never seen anything like it before. We have to let that go and realize we have a guy named LeBron James. We were spoiled by Mike to think this guy has to play a certain way. In my eyes LeBron does more with the basketball and for a basketball team than Jordan.
@@luka5465 basketball wouldn’t be what it is today if Jordan wasn’t a person, Jordan taught Kobe and Kobe taught lebron
@@derxy3545 ok?? I agree but that doesn’t make him automatically better lol
James has to get 7 rings with one 3 peat (to make up for his losses) THEN we can consider whether to form a committee to deliberate whether he can be even compared to Jordan.
So what does Jordan have to do to make up for all the fist round exits and getting swept?
@@pjwright3773 probably win the defensive player of the year and a record 9 all nba defensive team awards. Oh wait he did that.
Jordan simple
6:50 bold Jimmy Butler
It will always be MJ. I watched him played basketball during my younger years, IF we talk about PRIME? Michael Jordan is The GOAT
Greatness is defined not just by great but also by poor/average performances, especially in the biggest stage In my view, Jordan's had more great performances than James, though not by a huge amount. What separates these two is the poor performances, which Jordan had none and James had quite a few, which explains why Jordan is 6:0 in finals and James lost more finals than he won.
so what about the 94-95 where orlando beat the bulls
@@joebobbitt7093 what about it you named 1 season where mj only played 17 games after returning lol he swept that same team the next year and went on to 3 peat lebron ain’t never 3peat in his career
Put MJ on the cavs against the KD warriors 2-years in a row. They're getting swept too
@@dennistang5935 bro stop your tang
@@dennistang5935 Or put MJ in that Heat team in 2011 against the Mavs. There's just no way I see MJ with Wade and Bosh losing that series.
MJ is 5th in all time scoring. You're completely forgetting about Kobe!
Maybe he was only talking about living players.
Funny how all these "experts" always leave out Kobe
When Kobe was playing they were comparing him to Jordan now that he fell short of goat status they forget same will happen to LeBron.
@@Hotobu wow...
Kobe isn't even in the top 5 players ever. MJ took 2 years off in his prime to try baseball, that's why he is only 5th in all time scoring.
Same thing I always say to this argument...
You have one game to win for 10 million dollars ....whos your first pick ? The answer is who the Goat is ...MJ every time!
MJ all the way!
Jordan has 7 out of the top 10 playoff series scoring averages of all time... Only three other players appear on this list, once a piece (Berhard King, Jerry West and Rick Barry, West and Barry who were around in the time of 33% more possessions per game) .... Lebron doesn't appear on this list even once. In 1988, Jordan averaged 45.2 PPG against the Cavs (really think about how insane that is), hitting the series winner in Ehlo's face, and having back-to-back 50 point games, the only time this has happened in playoff history. Not only that... but the efficiency with which he did it was ridiculous... and steals, rebounds, blocks were fairly crazy as well. And he did this with nearly all 2 pointers. Lebron's never been anywhere near that level. You know that Raptors series in 2018 that many of his fans call the best of his career? Those were Jordan's numbers for the earlier 7 years of his playoff career, averaged.... including assists, by the way.
Jordan also has by far more records (non-longevity based), highest PER of all time, playoff PER, PPG, win shares... the only thing Lebron has going on above Jordan is today's inflated stats, Westbrook who was able to average a 30 ppg triple double for three seasons straight. Jordan also only dominated others, was never dominated in a series (Jason Terry, Kevin Durant heavily dominating Lebron in the finals all come to mind, 4 of his finals matchups getting FMVP including even Andre Iguodala). Jordan was another beast, on both ends of the court. Still to this day, he looks like a player from the future, and that's crazy... he played 3 decades ago. Best inside game, best midrange game.... even a similar 3 point average despite choosing not to take them and playing in a non-3 pt heavy era. Meanwhile, Lebron shoots in the 30th percentile from midrange. The year Jordan won defensive player of the year, you had defensive beasts all over the league, including Hakeem... He averaged more blocks than half of the starting centers and 200 steals to go with it (hasn't been done by anyone else)..... at shooting guard. He's the only player to average 30 PPG and win DPOY... with 35 ppg (insane, Lebron's never been that dominant). Almost every argument goes to Jordan. And as for help? 50+ point games: MJ has 30 of the 34 in Bulls history (88.2%). 40+ point games: MJ has 165 of the 230 in Bulls history (71.7%) and 30+ point games: MJ has 537 of the 1,291 in Bulls history (41.6%). That's just crazy- a level of dominance Lebron has never achieved. @t
Jordan was art.
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Born and raised a Cavs fan and eternally grateful for what Lebron did for the city of Cleveland but.... MJ = 🐐
bro you gotta stay loyal come on now
PlanetJohn nah, he's sees it for how it is.
Willy Garcia but that doesn’t make any sense? Why would he claim that Jordan is the goat over a player that brought his team it’s only championship? Dude sounds like he’s reaching for likes. Dude is not a real fan. Ask a Celtics fan who is better , bird or magic? Dude any Celtics fan would say bird regardless of actual statistics
Willy Garcia for instance michael Jordan hasn’t done anything for the city of Cleveland. Why would he claim Jordan, when Lebron brought 5 conference titles and the first title of all time to the Cavs. To a true Cavs fan, anything outside of Cleveland shouldn’t even exist.
@@PAAKWAMEPAA Lebron can be his favourite player, but the GOAT is MJ, no doubt. Bird vs Magic is a real debate because those two played against one another and squared off in finals matches. MJ is the GOAT and even hardcore fans of a hometown hero can recognize that.
What about the time lebron only scores 8 points against the Mavericks in 2011
Facts!...that's not very GOAT-like is it??🤔🤔🤣✌
30 years ago over 30 million viewers watched Jordan. This years finals only had 7 million viewers. The people have spoken.
hey man have u heard of this pandemic recently? i think it's covid-19 or something like that
@@nolankelley3771 yeah Covid-19 prevented the masses from watching on t.v.!? I don't recall any basketball stadiums holding 30 million fans.
Wanna know why? Ya'll can't accept the fact that Lebron is back in the finals and just won his 4th ring,that's just how much you hate him. If heat won ya'll would hate him,then heat lost then ya'll hate him more. Can't stop laughing on these dumbass hater lmao,Lebron lives rent free on ya heads😴
@@adinandreic.villanueva9540 I, nor anyone else attributes the lack of viewership to hate, people just don't care about the NBA anymore.
Really miss the 90’s... now only throw 3s and no defense...nowadays just like watching shoot 3 contest... is good for the dudes to make those 10 mins highlights ... no reason to watch for the whole match
Considering that Jordan's vertical (48 inches) was higher than Lebron's (44 inches), I am very confused why this video seems to suggest otherwise (MJ defied gravity vs Lebron ignored it)...
Lebron is much bigger and heavier than MJ so considering that it makes Lebron's vert more impressive for a person of his size to achieve that but nonetheless in the end you could still debate that MJ jumped higher no matter. Just something to think about.
Simply physics. Lifting something 210ish lbs 48 inches in the air requires less force than lifting something 250 lbs 44 inches .
Jordan let the game come to him. He could play with the ball or off-ball to blend seamlessly with the system. The triangle offense system keeps everyone touching the ball so the players can stay in rhythm.
Lebron forces his system onto his teammates. Lebron dominates the ball while his teammates stand still around the perimeter. The lack of ball movement and player movement is the reason why players lose rhythm while playing with Lebron.
and lose championships. That shit can work against thunder, but not against spurs, dallas (fucking jason terry lol), GSW who play a real system...
Thats because they played in different eras, and because lebron played with bums
This is very true. LeBron is my favorite player but I've never liked watching those games down the stretch in his second stint in Cleveland where the offense would simply consist of LeBron dominating the ball while his team mates would just wait for him to try to score or wait until he threw it to them only when they got wide open which would took over half the shot clock to have manifest. Unless they're a perimeter all star very solid players will lose confidence playing that way as we seen in 2018.
First James has to stay with a team long enough to get a 3 peat. Two he has to be able to play with a team he is dealt with and not stack the team like he does. Jordan was not able to build a team like James does. Every team James plays on can only be certain players. Until James is able to play without sacking a team, that is when we will see how good he really is. Not to mention, did the guy say James only plays half the time as a defensive player as he tries to conserve energy? Better word for it is LAZY!!!
We need to revisit this conversation again
Lebron - The King of basketball
Jordan - The God of basketball
And if the God of basketball had a creater, it would be wilt
I agree with you
Atheist Jordan fans punching the air rn
A god that got beat down by the Pistons and Knicks... okay
Yahwen Yisra'el A king who got beat down by the spurs, Mavs, and warriors
We all know who the better player is:
Brian Scalabrine
Big facts
His name alone gives me goosebumps
#oldmeans
Paul pierce: Thats easy, me!
@@impanthering Game of zones made so.
They're both absolute greats, but it's Jordan. I realized over the last few months, watching a lot of basketball analysis videos like this channel's, that Jordan's style of play is the best one. it's so versatile and long lasting.
LONG LASTING DIP SH1T LEBRON IS IN YEAR 19
No one worked as hard as MJ and he is the man!
Kobe
Mj literally took years away from basketball. If anything lebron checked in to work everyday for 20 years and still average high
I don´t know who is the GOAT but I know the guy that wouldn´t back down from any challenges and would never take the easy way.
Thanks for your video and your work in general Coach Nick!
He backed down when retired twice cause he couldn’t get exactl the team he wanted and didn’t have Phil or Scotty
The comment section is just people saying what the comment section is.
"Even if its by the slightest hair" Dude!!!
When an NBA legend says that he played against God disguised as micheal jordan, you know he's the best. Whenever you refer to someone who's the best in that field, you say that he's the micheal jordan of the field. Whenever there is a discussion on who is the GOAT, its always Jordan vs Kobe or Jordan vs Lebron. The common factor? Jordan. My point is: whenever you want to consider a player to be great, you compare him with jordan. he's the standard, plain and simple.
Hard to articulate better than perfect. Well said Sir
To be fair, it's not valid to use a sentence that's been said when Lebron was one year old... 😁
Still, it's MJ.
Beautifully explained brother..!
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The Man in the last dance is the real goat..
There’s a lot of guys in that
In 2014, two-times defending champion Miami (on the verge of 3-peat) got their ass wiped by SA, not even close, total domination. There is no team in the history of the NBA that would've beaten any of Jordan's championship teams that easily. Lebron is great, but he's not as dominant or competitive as Jordan. Jordan would cuss out that Miami team for getting their ass whooped like that.
Even worse is the mavs series, got outplayed by Terry, imagine Jordan being outplayed by a role player😂😂couldn't be Jordan tho
Biggest average margin of victory in Finals history.
Bron 100% showed up for this series, 2014 not on him. 2011 on the other hand...
@@lacroyyy5642 If winning titles are team accomplishments, then losing them are team failures. Can't eat your cake then have it too.
@@davidmartinez52420 so 2011 isn't on him?
Coach: im just gonna leave it to the comments
Me: coach, i dont thats a good idea
youb fail to mention that MJ nver have meltdowns in his entire career specially at playoffs and finals
Yeah, because he melts at 1st round of the playoffs.
So u telling me Jordan lost more in the finals then Lebron?
@@allenxavier6073 noob AF 63 points coming from injury a meltdown to you? when did mj score 8 points during first round?
@@zroxmolejon6278 when did lebron lose in the first round? Now do you idiots get why he left it out? They both fucking choked it every once in a while so fucking what
Allen Castro He didn’t melt down. He played far-superior teams and lost. ‘86 Celtics, anybody? Look at his playoff average his first three years when he was 1-9. Even Game 3 of the ‘86 playoffs when he only scored 22, he had two jaw-dropping plays to start the game, then spent the rest of the game trying to pass the ball.
Yeah, you could mention Game 4 in ‘89 or Game 1 in ‘95, but in ‘89 he more than made up for it in Game 5, and in 1995 he was coming back from baseball, and more than made up for it in ‘96. Lebron? Don’t think so.
Jordan didn’t even need to watch the video next ... 🤷🏾♂️
If you read 2:44 you realize two things. Both of them are top 3 all time, but MJ is clearly the goat.
Anyone who declares himself the GOAT is not "THE GOAT".
Facts
Unless your name is Muhammad Ali ... there’s exceptions to the rule
@@mdecimal
Ali is not the GOAT. It's Sugar Ray Robinson. So yeah, anyone who declares himself as the GOAT, is not the GOAT.
@@Riri-oj1zs r/wooosh u fucking dumbass
So your saying both mj and LeBron aren't the goat? Then who?