A new take on the old "Goat Debate" that I hope is somewhat refreshing. From what I can tell this is the first ever 91 Jordan vs 13 LeBron video on TH-cam. Enjoy.
Jordan had no comp compared to LeBron, the game has gotten harder over time, you diehard Jordan fans cant accept that, Jordan was the best, in his time, and lebron was the best in his. Stop being such babies about it, in todays game, (no disrespect to Jordan) Jordan would be great, but not the best.
Today's game has Zack Levine average 30ppg. Jordan made his name by actively seeking and destroying multiple defenders' at once in the most tight spaces and it didnt matter if it was on the ground or in mid-air. He would be too much of an animalistic savage for today's game. The UN would send troops to stop the massacre.
@@zerogtoxik6020 style, elegance, physicality, I.Q, heart, determination, dog, Athleticism, Finesse, Clutch, post game interviews.....MJ had every tool in the tool box. a true 1 of 1. Lebron is great in his own right....MJ really is just different lol
@@yourface591 is this a diss? I can’t tell if you are tryna say he had no comp when in reality if you look at who he played against in the era he played in it’s much more impressive what he has done
And people keep arguing Lebron is more all around player and Jordan is a scorer. Look at the stats, Jordan can do well on scoring, defending, assisting, stealing, etc. The undisputed Goat.
I’m not a LeBron hater, as a diehard Laker fan. I’m glad he came to the Lakers and he got us another championship and I do think he gets too much heat but I think a lot of the heat comes from either his fans being just really annoying or people in the media who have an existing bias and only tell half-truths and I think that really upsets people, and it brings LeBron more heat than praise. But yeah, there are so many misleading stuff out there about this debate. When you have people like Nick Wright same things like “will championships don’t matter so you can’t take away from LeBron that he doesn’t have as many rings does Michael because that’s a team accomplishment” but then he’ll turn around and criticize Michael for never beating the Celtics in a series so he picks when he wants to use certain logic and then at the same time he never wants to bring up what happen with LeBron in the finals in 2007 or 2011. Not seeing that one day, there will be a better player than Michael Jordan, and I do believe LeBron is one of the all-time greats, but he’s not the greatest of all time, and he’s not the one that’s going to be looked at as the goat when it’s all said, and done.
Stop the comparison! It will always be MJ the (GOAT) then everybody else. Everyone else are measured by MJ and what he has accomplished in the short amount of time in the NBA, plus what could have happen had he not retired in between the two three-peat, or had not the Bull' s front office not disband the team after the last game of the second three-peat!!! Never got a chance to defend the Championship!!!
@@nguasaya1305 Lakers were physically and mentally exhaused from three straight Finals trips. Steve Kerr lamented about this when he talked about the mental and physical grind of the 3-Peat Chicago Bulls. He said that's why the Bulls were never gonna win 8 straight Finals. There is a reason no team has 3-Peated in the NBA since the 2000s Lakers it takes a ton out of you and you need a break. Kobe was dealing with a bad ankle and knee which he had to get drained. Also the Dallas Mavericks were a team of destiny and shot like 80% from 3 pt land one game.
Surely he would have. That Dallas team ate everyone up for breakfast on the west including Kobe then beat the heat. That Lakers team actually got swept it was that embarrassing.
Jordan wouldn't automatically win if his opponent was Biden. Apparently Biden has the ability to get winning numbers from people who confidently choose him ....and just to be sure, they choose again and possibly even a third time for good measure.
I know this might sound crazy but didn't 2006 kobe shoot 42% from three when not trying some crazy buzzer beater or some bad shot, while also averaging 35 ppg in a era where teams were averaging 92 ppg, his team averaging 89 ppg, and carried a team with Kwame brown being the 2nd best player, to the playoffs. Better than a prime Jordan imo he just didn't have alot of help, if any
Lebron left the cavs after 7 years after they gave him nothing to work with. At the 7 year mark in Jordan's bulls career, they gave him a championship caliber roster to work with.
@@anonymoususer2080 hate how people keep saying he had nothing to work with. remember lineups then didnt have a lot of good players. plus larry hughes, delonte mo williams, ilgauskas, gooden and boozer ben wallace, werent slouches
@@sakimtornado they were a 17 win team before he was drafted, all of a sudden every year after his rookie year they had a winning record. Michael couldnt win a game without scottie, and jerry krause started giving michael pieces relatively early. This is such nonsense at this point
Jordan played when they tried to take your head off. They were allowed to physically punish you. If they laid you out, you were laid out. You didnt have to fake a foul. You earned the call when that whistle blew. A lot of moves done today can be attributed to MJ. Others are given credit as it being their signature move, but it can be traced back to MJ. He did so much that others are given credit for developing. Pistol Pete contributed a lot of moves todays players use too. But this is an MJ/Lebron post. Lebron is special, but Jordan is a totally different animal. 6'6, 220 with I believe is a 48 inch vertical and reportedly ran a 4.3 40yd sprint. Lebron is physically imposing, but watch the way they move. Jordan has a grace to him. If I wanted to be on a team and contribute, I'd want to play with Lebron. Hes more of a person that will empower you to be your better self. If I wanted to win, give me Jordan. I feel he'd RIP your head off. As I understand he was a bully. Lebron is the better teammate.
There was reason, the country wanted to be like Mike. people know in their gut, an overwhelming force when they see one. lebron is great but Jordan he aint. Not by any stretch of imagination. A GOAT makes you surrender to this greatness. That was MJ. That never was LBJ! Any year. Any time.
@Infamous Styles301 yea you can say he “outworked him” just like you can say Kobe outworked everybody else cuz he quite frankly did , but he’s not better at basketball than LeBron simple as that , LeBron is quite frankly better than Kobe at literally everything
@Infamous Styles301 I don’t wanna hear you ever talk basketball again you goofy , did you just call Kobe a better passer and better basketball IQ than LeBron ??????
Nah I got 88. Imagine being the best scorer and player in the league, and the best defensive player in the league as a guard. MJ was his most complete during this season with not just his offensive game but his defensive just as much.
@@drewv3293 naw bro jordan and pippen better, lebron and pippen both played small forward land brought the ball up the court and jordan made pippen better I. practice and on the court
Jordan was as complete as a player could get. He was a joy to watch. To see how in in stats how he improved in the playoffs showed what you saw was real
The crazy shit is to watch where the Bulls put Jordan to play as their PG. In them 24 games his numbers were as good or even greater than any PG who ever played the game.
It’s not even a contest. The Bulls were a complete afterthought as a team before Jordan joined, he almost singlehandedly turned the franchise around. LeBron had to jump ship to already winning teams to break thru and win a championship.
@@Sf75178 he still has the best all time numbers in almost every category (and it’s not even close) and that’s still with taking a year off at his peak, and then being rusty when he came back. It’s honestly not even a debate.
No different than listening to your favorite song on repeat or watching your favorite movie again. What's so strange or unusual about that?? 🤷🏾♂️ Nuthin...
@@nickwilliams8344 Pippen wasn’t even an established all-NBA player yet. Wade was already a future hall of famer at that time. Multiple all star appearances, all-NBA honors under his belt.
This ain't like Willie Mays vs Ken Griffey where we don't hardly have any highlights to judge Willie by - NO. We literally have ALL the highlights for everyone to see!! Bruh the only stat I need is that Lebron has LOST as many rings as Jordan has WON and NO team EVER even took Mike to a SEVENTH GAME IN THE FINALS!!
If my life depended on the last shot to win the game, I'd give the ball and my life in the hands of Michael Jordan, not Lebron. I think I answered the question.
I’m tired of the comparisons between Michael and Lebron, two different era’s. Michael won 6 titles with the Bulls, Lebron has been chasing him with several teams... Michael never lost in the finals, took two years off to play baseball and then the GM split the team, which they probably would have won 2 more titles. Michael is the GOAT...... but respect that he doesn’t say he is, that’s says it all, he respects the players before him and that says it all.
91 Jordan is def the greatest. By the 4 minute mark its clear. Also points weren't cheap in Jordan's era. The game was more physical and MJ played in the harder conference. In Lebrons era the Eastern Conference was atrocious for the most part. The SRS stats show that as well
Jordan played expansion and bad recruiting. You know every school in greec built a hoop after petrovic. Think about how many were built in the us after jordan
Fact is that Jordan was just so Dominant that it is not even fair to compare other players to him. They all appear so tiny next to his Airness. As Great as Lebron is, he too gets Stomped. It's not even close. As Magic himself said -- "There is Michael Jordan...and then there's the rest of us."
@@MasterSpadeI think prime Wilt Chamberlain was superior to prime Kareem, judging by stat output in their prime years, skills, athletic talent, and their head to heads in Wilt’s final years.
@@maanelid -- Peak Wilt maybe is better than Peak Kareem. Thing is, Wilt has great individual stats, but "Team Dominance"...? When Ranking All Time players, everything has to be compared. While other players have the opposite, like Russell. He has great Team Dominance, but Individual? Kareem had a better balance. The only one set in stone for me is Jordan. He is #1, by FAR. Team Dominance, Individual Dominance, Offense, Defense, Clutch Play, everything. I can see Wilt as high as #3, and as low as #7. He had help, why didn't he win more? Maybe his game just wasn't about winning, and all about stats? Where do you rank Wilt?
@@MasterSpade Yes KAJ had more team dominance in his career. I think though Wilt's 68 Sixers and 72 Lakers are as dominant or more dominant than any version of KAJ's Lakers. Also I think if Wilt had the same team and coaching situation as KAJ had for a career, we'd see many more chips for Wilt than just 2 (very plausibly 6). Overall, I'd personally rank peak Wilt 1 among centers, with peak Kareem or Hakeem at 2. As for Jordan, I find it hard to compare elite perimeter/wing players to elite centers meaningfully, but among perimeter/wing players, I agree, Jordan is head and shoulders above the rest still.
Jordan has no comp compared to LeBron, the game has gotten harder over time, you diehard Jordan fans cant accept that, Jordan was the best, in his time, and lebron was the best in his. Stop being such babies about it.
@@zerogtoxik6020 Peak MJ is far better than peak LeBron and every advanced metric proves it....LeBron’s only argument over MJ all time is longevity which is a pretty good argument but you LeBron fans need to stop acting like LeBron is a BETTER player than MJ because in my honest opinion he isn’t even close.
@@zerogtoxik6020 that's such an ignorant statement saying Jordan had no competition, educate yourself and watch youtube videos explaining why that is not the case
@@zerogtoxik6020 you do know that MJ faced more 50-60 win teams in the playoffs (especially in the east) than LeBron, right? You Bron fanboys will always say LeBron had more comp when you completely don’t acknowledge LeBron’s weak eastern conference competition.
Lebron shouldve averaged more assists since he always has the ball and 2 hof, and there r no real pf or c's in 2013. 90s was the golden age of competition and big men.
@@flightsplugg4886 bigger stronger yeah, more explosive better shooter and defender no, he’s a good basketball player but he’s a glorified stat chaser that averages 42 minutes a game. Jordan didn’t even avenge 30. Does he ever end a season with a 50 40 90 ? No and he can’t hit a free throw to save his life, his game is flawed homie. Not the same breed Jordan never lost in the finals either. What’s Lebrons stats on that?
1987-92 MJ for me. But specifically 1987&1988. He was unstoppable in those days. I mean the things he’d do, I’ve yet to be seen replicated by any NBA player. No version of LeBron or Kobe would be able to contain late 80s Jordan.
Lebron is not underrated in the clutch. He’s actually just not a clutch player. The media moved the goal post to help him appear as if he’s better in the actual clutch than what he really is. Clutch is clutch. When the score is tight and you have to give a player the ball, it’s MJ, it’s Bird. After that , I’d go Reggie Miller, Kobe and creeping into the conversation is Damien Lillard. Lebron can’t even get a good shot off cuz he doesn’t have a dependable jumper. Modern analytics can help anyone’s narrative if they are selective with the criteria. Just know that there are alternative analytics that will counter those same narratives. Be careful
LOL that statment hasn't applied since 2011. Lebron's jumper is plenty dependable now. His 2018 run was filled with clutch shots and he was the closer for both his 2012 and 2013 runs. Watch the games.
@@xaviervega468 Like I said before, any player nowadays can hit a shot in the clutch. That’s not what makes them a clutch player. It’s doing it time and time again. Odd how the narrative switched from how he wasn’t clutch to where the media moved the goal post by making the conversation more about stats in the last 5 min of the fourth. That’s moving the goal post. Being a “closer” is not the same as being clutch and Lebron is NOT that good at closing anyway. Selecting a series run over an 18 year career does not qualify as clutch.
@@elipaurini2303 Are you really trying to select one year out of 18 and trying to apply that to his “clutch” argument? I think that logic works in my favor🤣🤣
Lebron is one of the best players ever, but Michael Jordan IS the best player ever. Unstoppable offense and shutdown defense. When Jordan was asked to play point guard for a brief period of time, he had numerous triple doubles. If Michael was asked to pass or rebound first and shoot 2nd, he would have found a way to be the best PG of all time.
Michael didnt play the point for just a brief period. He was the Bulls' point guard for most of the 1988 and 1989 playoffs' and for the whole 1991 Finals', and he was sensational.
I used to be a diehard Lebron fan 8 straight years. But last year that changed because of our political differences and him trashing my views. So now I look this data again with no biased glasses on and now I realized that there is no competition between MJ and Lebron. Michael Jordan is the GOAT. That accomplisment list is unreal. And c'mon, MJ lost 0 times in the finals while Lebron already has 6 losses. But main reason why MJ is incredible is that he did all that in 5 less years than Lebron has done now and MJ's list is still more incredible. Also 90s were much tougher era.
Where was that skill set in a near elimination, requiring Ray Allen to save the series that would have been over in 99.95% of games played in history? The Spurs couldn't secure a 5 point lead with 23 seconds left to end what should have been a 4 games to 2 win. Spurs came back the following year with a gentlemen's sweep, forcing LeFraud to ditch teams again.
I can’t thank you enough for the videos you made man. I think it’s a damn shame that we have to rely on TH-camrs like yourself to tell the truth because people in sports media have an existing biased and want to tell half-truths or just flat out lie. When you make your videos, you never make them to disrespect another player you just are stating the facts says they are in there isn’t enough people in sports media doing that today. Keep up the great work.
Jordan made players that would make Labron look like a middle school basketball player, embarrassed, he is and always will be in a different league, zero comparison, any questions for people that dont know or have never had the privilege to watch Jordan, just watch one minute of highlights, that will explain everything and set you straight to who the best is, always Jordan, period
Until we see someone have a career average of more than 30ppg at more than 50% fg shooting, have more than 6 rings, go undefeated in the finals moreso, win 3 dunk champs, change fashion style, get well over heads with the rim, be voted the NBA's top 50 player, who is cooler, a better perceived role model for kids, elevates his stats in crunch time and playoffs, had a better looking jump shot, better looking dunks, was a smarter playmaker, was hungrier to win, had better more physical cut-throat dirty cheating opponents, who plays when the league brings back hand checking, when parody returns to the NBA, was defensive player for more years, who trashed talked more, scored more than 69pts in 1 game, sells more jerseys sneakers and posters, who has a higher valued rookie card, when his opponents admitted he was the best in their era after his career ends, who wins who plays on a more talented Dream Team and wins more USA gold metals, has a major shoe deal with 2 companies, has more awesome stories, plays 2 sports better, more videos made about him, has more high lights per game, draws bigger crowds at games, draws more TV viewers, made more commercials and movies, is more athletic somehow, known on mars, and the list continues... then we will know someone finally topped MJ. Until then, MJ is hands down the best player the world has ever witnessed. To top him in just a few of these, does not justify them as the GOAT. Even to tie him, MJ still did it first. Folks, we likely will not ever experience a new GOAT.
I agree MJ is currently the GOAT but this is bullshit you don't have to have a better looking jumpshot , a higher vertical , making better movies, selling more shoes? Like cmon 🙄 Carrying a team to a championship in great fashion more than 6 times and scoring with great efficiency is enough to be the G.O.A.T not all this bullshit you MJ peasants speak of... so basically what hakeem olajuwon did but 4-6 times or more? The G.O.A.T. I'll say it again I agree MJ is the current GOAT but there's someone out there with the fire 🔥 in his soul that has what it takes to be the new GOAT! 🐐Oh yeah and It hasn't even been 20 whole years since MJ retired so how could you say there may never be another GOAT? You think 20 years is enough time to see another player like Michael Jordan if not better? That's a once in half a century type of player right there
I’d pick Jordan in his worst year over LeBron in his best. I’ll take Washington Wizards Jordan over 2013 LeBron. Jordan led a band of scrubs to the playoffs.
Are you high? Lebron led a bunch of g-leaguers to the finals before 25. Jordan struggled to make it to the playoffs let alone get out of the first round at that age
Jordan didn’t “lead” them to anything but two consecutive thirty win seasons and neither of them resulted in a playoff berth. Plus, he was an inefficient shot chucker who couldn’t play consistent defense. He had no business starting in the ASG as a replacement over Vince Carter, who the media pressured to give up his spot in the first place.
Id go with Wilt, with his offense shaq would of fouled out in the first quarter. Wilt would of bullied shaq, his strength is legendary Shaq just had bulk but no muscle compared to Wilt.
That’s facts people say lebron is a better passer cuz he gets more assists. Really? I’m not denying his passing ability but he gets almost 3 more turnovers than jordan and sometimes more. Jordan doesn’t turn the ball over and gives an amazing pass when he needs to. Lebron is looking for the pass too often for his ability and while he does give amazing assists, he also turns the ball over a lot more too. Jordan passes when he needs to and when he can’t he doesn’t turn the ball over. Lebron looks for the pass too much and turns the ball over much more. To me you are a better passer with 8 assists and 0 turnovers then 12 assists and 4 turnovers because you aren’t giving up the ball
@@HaroonKhan-wd2dz imo Jordan would have also been a better passer if he got to show it, pippen held his team play making back a notch because he didn’t facilitate
@@austindorsey-steele1368 1. He isnt a pass first player, he is a scorer that can pass the ball, no pass first players average more shots than all of their teamates in every single team they play, 2. James' is more prone to turnovers regardless of how much he keeps the ball anyway because a. he travels a lot more than Mike, b. he commits more offensive fouls, c. he is much less potent in operating in tight spaces, d. his motor is nowhere near what Mike's was.
@@austindorsey-steele1368 lebron looks to score buuuuuut the media says that he isn't a scorer. No way does he put up those numbers if he isn't a scorer. Ya wanna know who's a passer? Lonzo. Jokic is too. Lebron just so happens to pass the ball very well and in recent seasons he's begun averaging double digit assist numbers.
1991 Mike made a clutch shot to go to OT against the Lakers in the Finals and locked up magic in OT to avoid going down 1-2 with the series going back to LA. 2013 Bron was outplayed by Danny Green in the first three games of the Finals and was saved by Ray Allen. It's an easy choice.
One of the most overlooked things in that series, LBJ was playing like a 2nd/3rd option again those first few games. Averaging 16.7 ppg on 38.9% the first 3 games, at no point was MJ averaging this in any series. Going into game 6 he was averaging only 21.6 ppg on 43.6%, still way below his average. LBJ fans...this is why a lot of people say “Ray Allen saved his finals legacy” at that time, bc he did. Had LBJ lost he would’ve been 1-3 in the finals, losing 3 while playing way below his average and choking vs Mavs.
@@eazyduzit-tr3nx Bron was a monster in games 6 and 7 though. Bron haters NEVER give him credit for closing out both games. Ray Allen SAVED that game 6, but Bron still had to close it out in OT.
1991 Jordan's finals numbers - 31.2 ppg, 11.2 app, 2.8 spg, 1.4 bpg, .558 FG5 and .500 from 3 land... Lebron's never done anything close to that stat line in the finals.. the one time he averaged more ppg, he was a terrible .397 from the field. Even in 2018/2020, he didn’t have anywhere near Jordan’s efficiency, had nearly twice the turnovers, was considered mediocre on defense while Jordan was the best by far on both ends, averaging near 3 steals and 1.4 blocks per game, scoring 13 field goals in a row and “the move”
@@dynamic6645 Are you really cherry picking one individual stat to try and portray Magic as outplaying Jordan? Should I pick Deandre Jordan's rebounding to say he outplays Lebron? Even despite scoring 31 points per game, Jordan had the 3rd highest assists per game that finals series of all time with 11.4, after Russell and Magic. Jordan also shut him down in OT in a vital game, holding him to 0-0-1. Gamescore was 29.4 Jordan to Magic 20... not even close! Meanwhile, Durant vs Lebron? 2017 30.3 to 29.6 in favor of Durant. 2018? 28.3 to 26.9, but Lebron chose not to guard Durant because he was too dominant. And, well, we all know 2011 wasn't even close. Seriously, when did a player even come close to Jordan's gamescore or PER in a finals series? Hell, find me just one playoff series. The only one that exists is rusty 95 Jordan, where Jordan still outplayed Shaq.
Um you’re forgetting 2016 finals where he averaged like 29.7 ppg, 11.3rebounds , 8.9 assists, 2.6 steals and 2.3 blocks on 50 percent shooting. Ur also forgetting 2020 finals where he averaged 29.8 ppg, 11.8 rebounds, 8.5 assists, 1.2 stls and 0.5 blocks on 59 percent shooting. So yeah those are definitely close to Jordan’s performance.
@@jasonmoukala8909 You mean 2020 when he was outplayed by Kevin Durant, especially in the clutch? I’m not forgetting those. Neither were goat-worthy. 2016 win was by far his best, but he was playing a small ball team with an injured Steph (three games back in and after an awful houston series). Not to mention stats/PER is significantly inflated now. You’ve got Luka, giannis, Trae and all sorts of guys averaging triple doubles regularly. In the 90s, the leader usually had four for the entire season. In 2016, even Lebron’s second option Kyrie averaged almost 30 ppg like lebron, hitting clutch shots. So I stand by my statement. Compare game scores for all players in each finals series with Lebron and Jordan. You’ll see how big of a gap it is. That’s the only way other than going back and watching, where it’s obvious as well.
@@saadkhatib3456 Respect your opinion bro, I'm old enough to have watched Jordan play every game since 87-88. His game was so freaking exciting up until 89 no question. But from 1990 my view was he knew evolving meant reserving energy, he was so good he almost looked in slow motion when he baited players, he was technically perfect and his mid range began to excel. Also he involved and trusted his team mates more from 1990. But let's be real, it's almost impossible to split 87-93 seasons at all. And 96-98 he was different but still undeniably the best player.
@@m74d3 Yeah man I agree. Look at 86, he averages 44ppg for series in the first round against the beast 86 Celtics. Amazing! But in 93 he averages 41ppg Finals series against a great Suns team. Which was also next level as three-peat is a big deal. Difference is leadership and overall IQ.
@@elipaurini2303 Who? Pick a team. 7 fewer than today prior to '88 and 3 few prior to '95. Restated: today's NBA's talent is diluted with 35 players starting today that would not have started prior to '88, even more that wouldn't even be in the league.
No, Just tell me the 5 best shooting guarded during his 6 championships and how many times he went up against each. Was it Dan Majerle, Jeff Hornaced, John Starks? No, It was just Reggie and Clyde that MJ guarded - i'll be happy if you could include any more great SG's that went against Jordan during those 6 rings
@@elipaurini2303 No thanks Eli. MJ's defensive awards speak for themselves. One question though: who do you believe are the 35 players starting in the NBA today that wouldn't have started in the 80's?
@@TruthHasSpoken why are you so stuck on this 35 player nonsense? the game has changed completely, i'm sure nearly everyone that starts today would start back then minus the All Stars of that era
MJ was a true leader obsessed with winning basketball championships, he's not out politicking, not focusing on anything else but winning at basketball. You can debate numbers, and stats but MJ's drive and focus is the difference. Lebron might be a better physical athlete but that's about it.
@@cumbusta9175 Stats depend on a LOT of things. The fact that Lebron has LOST as many rings as Jordan has WON has me voting Jordan all day. That's the only stat that matters.
To be honest, in my opinion, the best version of MJ was in the late 80s, that period would have been immortalized if he won a chip, but Boston, Detroit and LA were in his way.
Jordan from 88 - 93 is a better player than LeBron EVER was. Or any player in history basically. Should’ve been MVP every one of those seasons with 93 Barkley or Hakeem having a strong case with him.
brons era u aren't allowed to play defense in jordans era u could damn near beat jordan up... there is no comparison Bron is average in a softer league jordan DOMINATED a physical league...
@@cumbusta9175 look at their roles lol Jordan was never a point and when he was a point he averaged a triple double lebron been a point forward since he entered the league
@@chikushodiz91 so your telling me this why? That’s why Lebron is a different breed at Jordan time it was common for guards to be leading in assists. Ofc you had guys like Pippen who could facilitate but once Lebron stepped in he took that point forward to a whole Nother level. It isn’t lebron fault that his biggest advantage is his vision.
Lebron was still a better passer, he could make any kind pass you want. Jordan's can't say the same. Jordan averaged so many assists in those Finals because he was getting doubled like crazy.
@@dynamic6645 MJ hurt himself, foot or ankle, after he made shot, to force overtime, when Pippen fouled out, not to go down 1-2, and he still got it done. You have to do, what you have to do.
@@dynamic6645 another thing is, neither of them can guard jordan, and won’t dare try. But you fanboys, try to get on about, what positions he can’t guard.
Mj the goat hands down Jordan had smoothness and calm every game and he played every game he didn’t need a break plus Jordan just all around better player ever
People don't understand that Jordan will always be better than Lebron. the league is soft now and am sure LeBron can never do what Jordan did back then.
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The real GOAT debate is which version of MJ was his prime.
MJ Peak = 1989-1991, Prime = 88-93, 96-98
Lebron Peak = 2012-2013, Prime = 2009-2021 (Present)
Also, Lebron is the GOAT and BOAT
Now that’s perspective, good shit!
88 Jordan was the best.. for me but that 95' was built different
@@sharifbrown3567 yeah but LeBron takes PEDs
@@sharifbrown3567 Yeah, GOAT as in Going On Another Team and BOAT as in Best One At Traveling
Id take jordan all day. Even in today's basketball.
Jordan had no comp compared to LeBron, the game has gotten harder over time, you diehard Jordan fans cant accept that, Jordan was the best, in his time, and lebron was the best in his. Stop being such babies about it, in todays game, (no disrespect to Jordan) Jordan would be great, but not the best.
Today's game has Zack Levine average 30ppg. Jordan made his name by actively seeking and destroying multiple defenders' at once in the most tight spaces and it didnt matter if it was on the ground or in mid-air. He would be too much of an animalistic savage for today's game. The UN would send troops to stop the massacre.
@@zerogtoxik6020 style, elegance, physicality, I.Q, heart, determination, dog, Athleticism, Finesse, Clutch, post game interviews.....MJ had every tool in the tool box. a true 1 of 1.
Lebron is great in his own right....MJ really is just different lol
@@zerogtoxik6020 Jordan would be better in this soft nba today.No hand checking man jordan would be way above everyone else
@@zerogtoxik6020 if beal can score 30 a game then he can adjust to the playstyle today and get even more. it's not rock science.
No competition AirJordan all day ⛹🏽♂️
Jordan’s only the goat because compared to him all other goat candidates are plumbers
@@yourface591 💯
@@yourface591 is this a diss? I can’t tell if you are tryna say he had no comp when in reality if you look at who he played against in the era he played in it’s much more impressive what he has done
@@HaroonKhan-wd2dz he's saying everyone in the goat conversation are plumbers when compared to jordan
@@HaroonKhan-wd2dz nah I’m saying Jordan was so great it’s hard to compare anyone from any era to him
GOAT MEANS:
Greatest Of All Time: Jordan
Going On Another Team: Lebron
who’s in your top 3?
@@aesie1229 he will probably say
Mj
Mj
Mj
@@gtnajee6601 thats what lebron said awhile ago....
yeah LBJ jump arround teams like a roleplayer he actually is the best roleplayer ever but just a roleplayer xD
@Kaden Williams hey do you see the Xd thats a joke and he was on 4 teams but anyway just a joke
And people keep arguing Lebron is more all around player and Jordan is a scorer. Look at the stats, Jordan can do well on scoring, defending, assisting, stealing, etc. The undisputed Goat.
I’m not a LeBron hater, as a diehard Laker fan. I’m glad he came to the Lakers and he got us another championship and I do think he gets too much heat but I think a lot of the heat comes from either his fans being just really annoying or people in the media who have an existing bias and only tell half-truths and I think that really upsets people, and it brings LeBron more heat than praise.
But yeah, there are so many misleading stuff out there about this debate. When you have people like Nick Wright same things like “will championships don’t matter so you can’t take away from LeBron that he doesn’t have as many rings does Michael because that’s a team accomplishment” but then he’ll turn around and criticize Michael for never beating the Celtics in a series so he picks when he wants to use certain logic and then at the same time he never wants to bring up what happen with LeBron in the finals in 2007 or 2011.
Not seeing that one day, there will be a better player than Michael Jordan, and I do believe LeBron is one of the all-time greats, but he’s not the greatest of all time, and he’s not the one that’s going to be looked at as the goat when it’s all said, and done.
I'll take the guy that can shoot free throws and doesn't flop.
@@JohnJones-fn9df Rondo?
@Dustin Osteen he beat a poor injured Curry
Facts
WELL SAID . THOSE. ARE. THE NUTS. AND. THE. CHERRY ON. TOP. THE. DESERT . PEOPLE. RARELY. TALK. ABOUT. THAT. IN. THIS. DEBATE . THEIR. ARE. OTHER. FACTORS. THAT. MAKE. MIKE. BETTER. THAN. LEBRON. THIS. JUST. ADDS. TO. IT .>🎤
@Dustin Osteen I'll take the guy whose team went 72-10 and won the title.
For every single comparison between MJ and LeBron all across the internet, it's just a reminder of how great MJ is.
Stop the comparison! It will always be MJ the (GOAT) then everybody else. Everyone else are measured by MJ and what he has accomplished in the short amount of time in the NBA, plus what could have happen had he not retired in between the two three-peat, or had not the Bull' s front office not disband the team after the last game of the second three-peat!!! Never got a chance to defend the Championship!!!
MJ would never have given up or choked like Lebron vs Dallas
but dallas was different, they swept the lakers too
@@nguasaya1305 Lakers were physically and mentally exhaused from three straight Finals trips. Steve Kerr lamented about this when he talked about the mental and physical grind of the 3-Peat Chicago Bulls. He said that's why the Bulls were never gonna win 8 straight Finals. There is a reason no team has 3-Peated in the NBA since the 2000s Lakers it takes a ton out of you and you need a break. Kobe was dealing with a bad ankle and knee which he had to get drained. Also the Dallas Mavericks were a team of destiny and shot like 80% from 3 pt land one game.
@@koolkai4299 no, Kobe was want to repeat the three peat but dallas is so underrated. they playing so great and making finals and win
@@koolkai4299 so lebron, lebron was injury too
Surely he would have. That Dallas team ate everyone up for breakfast on the west including Kobe then beat the heat. That Lakers team actually got swept it was that embarrassing.
if you try to compare Jordan to someone else overall, Jordan already wins
uhhh Wilt Chamberlain says hi.
Wilt is a force like shaq but jordan more complete player overall
@Dustin Osteen bahahaha
Jordan wouldn't automatically win if his opponent was Biden. Apparently Biden has the ability to get winning numbers from people who confidently choose him ....and just to be sure, they choose again and possibly even a third time for good measure.
@@secoTheSonicFan Wilt played vs bill russell kareem nate thurmond, wilt faced good players
It's 91 Mj and ain't even close
@@wallace5195 Caruso is overrated like obviously he’s top 3 all time but I still think MJ and Probably Lebron are better
@Bokie Allen jordansexual
@@whatalife7053 bronsexual
Damn right
I have to agree. Only thing 13 Lebron had over MJ was pure power.
Jordan the 🐐 in each of his years
1991-1998?
88-93 Jordan is undoubtedly better than any version of any other player EVER to play.
I wouldn't say ever to play because players are evolving and I wouldn't be surprised if we see some 7ft guy that can shoot like steph (other than kd)
I know this might sound crazy but didn't 2006 kobe shoot 42% from three when not trying some crazy buzzer beater or some bad shot, while also averaging 35 ppg in a era where teams were averaging 92 ppg, his team averaging 89 ppg, and carried a team with Kwame brown being the 2nd best player, to the playoffs. Better than a prime Jordan imo he just didn't have alot of help, if any
*87-93 Jordan
Of course he is he was getting so much gifts from the refs lol
@@Poloskii Was thinking about Kobe too he is insane.
Lol if Jordan was anything like lebron, Jordan would of left the bulls after his 1-9 early playoff record
Lebron left the cavs after 7 years after they gave him nothing to work with. At the 7 year mark in Jordan's bulls career, they gave him a championship caliber roster to work with.
Jerry Krause was an excellent GM when it pertained to building a team around Jordan as shown in The Last Dance documentary.
Jordan has most finals mvps in nba history pal
@@anonymoususer2080 hate how people keep saying he had nothing to work with. remember lineups then didnt have a lot of good players. plus larry hughes, delonte mo williams, ilgauskas, gooden and boozer ben wallace, werent slouches
@@sakimtornado they were a 17 win team before he was drafted, all of a sudden every year after his rookie year they had a winning record. Michael couldnt win a game without scottie, and jerry krause started giving michael pieces relatively early. This is such nonsense at this point
MJ averaged more points in a time when teams actually played defence
Teams play better defense now. It's way harder to defend with the rules in favor of offense
Jordan played when they tried to take your head off. They were allowed to physically punish you. If they laid you out, you were laid out. You didnt have to fake a foul. You earned the call when that whistle blew.
A lot of moves done today can be attributed to MJ. Others are given credit as it being their signature move, but it can be traced back to MJ. He did so much that others are given credit for developing.
Pistol Pete contributed a lot of moves todays players use too. But this is an MJ/Lebron post.
Lebron is special, but Jordan is a totally different animal. 6'6, 220 with I believe is a 48 inch vertical and reportedly ran a 4.3 40yd sprint.
Lebron is physically imposing, but watch the way they move. Jordan has a grace to him.
If I wanted to be on a team and contribute, I'd want to play with Lebron. Hes more of a person that will empower you to be your better self. If I wanted to win, give me Jordan. I feel he'd RIP your head off. As I understand he was a bully. Lebron is the better teammate.
@@coachjones6104 well said brother. 100% agree
@@dischordblast8992 Go and play Fortnite or make another Tik Tok you child.
@@truthserum273 what r u mad because what I'm saying is true. I thought it was too easy to score
I'm not even going to watch this shit. I've watched both play. Not even close. MJ all day.
Still a worthwhile video I will say. Coming into it knowing the answer the stats and opinion is still worth your time.
Hahahaaa. Real talk
Things are different when you actually watched both players play.
I have LeBron
@@craigjohnston5781 Jordan all day 🤣🐐
MJs stats in elimination games on the 1991 playoffs: 32.5ppg-8.5rpg-8apg- 3spg-1.5bpg 52%fg
Ok and Bron averaged 40 and 11 in 2012 elimination games....
Sick
@@carterbilbro4615 yup but still his a choker and can hit crucial free throw. Blind witness.
@@philiprobiso9507 Can't forget the absolute meltdown and passive aggressiveness of 2011. Greatness? Lol he is such a wannabe.
@@philiprobiso9507 he is actually statistically one of the most clutch players of all time.
MJ a million times better. I actually saw 91 Jordan. There's no comparison.
MJ all day. In fact, in 2013 James had two all stars on his side 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
The league is better in today’s game the 3 all stars don’t guarantee none🤣
@@indirtywetrus9273 I would not say it's better, but it does come down to who is making shots that night!!!
So did Mike 😂
@@petyolobutov9807 Sorry, he had 1...
@@adidas20zero Dennis Rodman best rebounder Scottie pippen top 5 sf and Phil Jackson. The year Jordan retired they won 55 games🤣
There was reason, the country wanted to be like Mike. people know in their gut, an overwhelming force when they see one. lebron is great but Jordan he aint. Not by any stretch of imagination. A GOAT makes you surrender to this greatness. That was MJ. That never was LBJ! Any year. Any time.
@Infamous Styles301 he’s better than Kobe and it isn’t close and I love Kobe
@Infamous Styles301 yea you can say he “outworked him” just like you can say Kobe outworked everybody else cuz he quite frankly did , but he’s not better at basketball than LeBron simple as that , LeBron is quite frankly better than Kobe at literally everything
@Infamous Styles301 Kobe is a better shooter and scorer than LeBron he’s not better than him at literally anything else
@Infamous Styles301 I don’t wanna hear you ever talk basketball again you goofy , did you just call Kobe a better passer and better basketball IQ than LeBron ??????
@Infamous Styles301 didn’t Bird’s whole team walk off the floor ???? Same with Bad Boy Pistons ? Exactly stfu and learn basketball 🤡
Jordan = 🐐
I think 1992 Jordan was the best version of himself skill wise
I was thinking 93
@Gary Webb what weakness did he have other years?
93 for me
Nah I got 88. Imagine being the best scorer and player in the league, and the best defensive player in the league as a guard. MJ was his most complete during this season with not just his offensive game but his defensive just as much.
I think it was 91
Look, LeBron is my favorite player. But you can’t deny that MJ is the GOAT
Same
Lebron is the goat
@@drewv3293 naw jordan
@@melekelewis2945 imagine what lebron and pippin would’ve done over their careers sheesh ... pippen > wade >
@@drewv3293 naw bro jordan and pippen better, lebron and pippen both played small forward land brought the ball up the court and jordan made pippen better I. practice and on the court
The Fact Mike had no game 7s that yesr is insane
Only in the finals
@@melvynsngltn27 He played 7 games vs the pistons in 90, Knicks in 92 and the pacers in 98
@@jasonlanouette1776 I know that
@@jasonlanouette1776 unlike the Knicks and Pacers Detroit was actually a championship caliber team
Jordan was as complete as a player could get. He was a joy to watch. To see how in in stats how he improved in the playoffs showed what you saw was real
The crazy shit is to watch where the Bulls put Jordan to play as their PG. In them 24 games his numbers were as good or even greater than any PG who ever played the game.
It’s not even a contest. The Bulls were a complete afterthought as a team before Jordan joined, he almost singlehandedly turned the franchise around. LeBron had to jump ship to already winning teams to break thru and win a championship.
@@literallyshaking8019 reading arguments against Jordan my head is constantly shaking because of the clueless logic
@@Sf75178 he still has the best all time numbers in almost every category (and it’s not even close) and that’s still with taking a year off at his peak, and then being rusty when he came back.
It’s honestly not even a debate.
@@literallyshaking8019 I know it is know debate. But when people try to debate their logic makes you shake your head
All of us just watched a 12 minute video just to get to the end and hear what we all knew he was going to say when we clicked on the video 😂
It was obvious I like his vids and I just wanted to see stats and comparisons
@@saminurkarim8012 Same
And? Will you dispute what was presented after seeing the stats?
No different than listening to your favorite song on repeat or watching your favorite movie again.
What's so strange or unusual about that?? 🤷🏾♂️
Nuthin...
88 jordan my fave, but you should have compared 03 jordan to 13 lebron 😂💯
To make it fair..
@Alik Bey why are you built like the sloth from ice age
Facts!!!!
91 Jordan and it ain’t even close he didn’t have a wade type player on his squad
He did he had Scottie and y’all be underrating Scottie but Jordan the goat
Pippin was going in his prime and wade was leaving his prime foh
@@Jody_Joe D Wade at 90-95%> Scottie at 100%
Mario Chalmers or John Paxson?
@@nickwilliams8344 Pippen wasn’t even an established all-NBA player yet. Wade was already a future hall of famer at that time. Multiple all star appearances, all-NBA honors under his belt.
You’d have to tear Jordan and the bulls down. Theirs no objective case you can make for lbj being the goat over mj except longevity
This ain't like Willie Mays vs Ken Griffey where we don't hardly have any highlights to judge Willie by - NO. We literally have ALL the highlights for everyone to see!! Bruh the only stat I need is that Lebron has LOST as many rings as Jordan has WON and NO team EVER even took Mike to a SEVENTH GAME IN THE FINALS!!
If my life depended on the last shot to win the game, I'd give the ball and my life in the hands of Michael Jordan, not Lebron. I think I answered the question.
I would give it Larry Bird though
Exactly, I ain't trying to hear that "shooorrrt" shit at all!
Kobe over Jordan and bron over Jordan they both played in a better era
LeBron is more likely to make the shot not opinion just facts
@@BooHefner no he is not
I’m tired of the comparisons between Michael and Lebron, two different era’s. Michael won 6 titles with the Bulls, Lebron has been chasing him with several teams... Michael never lost in the finals, took two years off to play baseball and then the GM split the team, which they probably would have won 2 more titles. Michael is the GOAT...... but respect that he doesn’t say he is, that’s says it all, he respects the players before him and that says it all.
He’s called himself the goat before😐He just got shutdown when him and wilt argued who was the goat.
that’s another thing, I saw in a recent interview that LeBron was asking for respect, Jordan’s game demanded respect, Jordan never had to ask for him
Jordan did call himself the GOAT. There just wasn't social media or as many debate shows
Different eras pose different obstacles. Not sure if Jordan would win in an era where everyone wants to play with Bill Russell
There was a 3 season gap between his championships, idt he’s winning 2/3, he’d probably lose in one of those finals
I would say 1993 is the best mj season but 1991-1992 are close
91 Jordan, best player ever, any sport.
Not better or more dominant than Wayne Gretzky.
@@knightrider693 In playoffs Jordan is superior to Gretzky.
And playoffs have greater value.
Even tho I personally think 93 Jordan is the best when it comes to this debate I going with Jordan all the way still.
93 is his best IMO as well..he avg 41 in the finals and his Fts % were far below his standards. It could've been easily 45
I honestly I think 88 Jordan was the best. the year he averaged 38 ppg , won MVP and defensive player or the year
@@InspireRise300 I can see that as well. We won't see that dominance again. Yes greek did it but it wasn't dominance to me
93 Jordan can't be considered the the best, at least formally, because Regular season MVP was Charles Barkley.
91 Jordan is def the greatest. By the 4 minute mark its clear. Also points weren't cheap in Jordan's era. The game was more physical and MJ played in the harder conference. In Lebrons era the Eastern Conference was atrocious for the most part. The SRS stats show that as well
Jordan played expansion and bad recruiting. You know every school in greec built a hoop after petrovic. Think about how many were built in the us after jordan
Fact is that Jordan was just so Dominant that it is not even fair to compare other players to him. They all appear so tiny next to his Airness.
As Great as Lebron is, he too gets Stomped. It's not even close.
As Magic himself said -- "There is Michael Jordan...and then there's the rest of us."
I’d say Kareem is the goat
@@literallyatrashboat8711 -- I have KAJ 2nd on my All Time List, but Jordan is by far the GOAT. After Jordan and Kareem is where it gets tricky.
@@MasterSpadeI think prime Wilt Chamberlain was superior to prime Kareem, judging by stat output in their prime years, skills, athletic talent, and their head to heads in Wilt’s final years.
@@maanelid -- Peak Wilt maybe is better than Peak Kareem. Thing is, Wilt has great individual stats, but "Team Dominance"...? When Ranking All Time players, everything has to be compared. While other players have the opposite, like Russell. He has great Team Dominance, but Individual? Kareem had a better balance.
The only one set in stone for me is Jordan. He is #1, by FAR. Team Dominance, Individual Dominance, Offense, Defense, Clutch Play, everything.
I can see Wilt as high as #3, and as low as #7. He had help, why didn't he win more? Maybe his game just wasn't about winning, and all about stats?
Where do you rank Wilt?
@@MasterSpade Yes KAJ had more team dominance in his career. I think though Wilt's 68 Sixers and 72 Lakers are as dominant or more dominant than any version of KAJ's Lakers. Also I think if Wilt had the same team and coaching situation as KAJ had for a career, we'd see many more chips for Wilt than just 2 (very plausibly 6). Overall, I'd personally rank peak Wilt 1 among centers, with peak Kareem or Hakeem at 2. As for Jordan, I find it hard to compare elite perimeter/wing players to elite centers meaningfully, but among perimeter/wing players, I agree, Jordan is head and shoulders above the rest still.
No disrespect to LeBron but I don't even think it's close, Jordan easily takes the cake here
Jordan has no comp compared to LeBron, the game has gotten harder over time, you diehard Jordan fans cant accept that, Jordan was the best, in his time, and lebron was the best in his. Stop being such babies about it.
@@zerogtoxik6020 Peak MJ is far better than peak LeBron and every advanced metric proves it....LeBron’s only argument over MJ all time is longevity which is a pretty good argument but you LeBron fans need to stop acting like LeBron is a BETTER player than MJ because in my honest opinion he isn’t even close.
@@zerogtoxik6020 that's such an ignorant statement saying Jordan had no competition, educate yourself and watch youtube videos explaining why that is not the case
@@Bilaldane sorry, but compared to bron? Malone and Stockton were nothing compared to Steph, Klay, nowitzki, and oh yeah, KOBE, SHAQ AND KARL MALONE
@@zerogtoxik6020 you do know that MJ faced more 50-60 win teams in the playoffs (especially in the east) than LeBron, right? You Bron fanboys will always say LeBron had more comp when you completely don’t acknowledge LeBron’s weak eastern conference competition.
LeBron: I had some mad stats in game 7 finals.
MJ: What’s game 7 finals?
😂
Lebron shouldve averaged more assists since he always has the ball and 2 hof, and there r no real pf or c's in 2013. 90s was the golden age of competition and big men.
Exactly..ppl under estimate not having centers, how easy it's able to get to the basket. MJ was going over and thru real centers
80s > 90s
@@eternalboss1046 eh, its a close call but i think there were better centers n the 90s
He didn't have the ball as much in Pat Riley's system.
@@xaviervega468 I agree. I think that was his best self..
I don’t see why people keep tryin to compare the two, Lebron will never be near the caliber of player that Jordan was period!
Overated lbj better shooter bigger stronger more explosive better defense playmaking definitely
@@flightsplugg4886 bigger stronger yeah, more explosive better shooter and defender no, he’s a good basketball player but he’s a glorified stat chaser that averages 42 minutes a game. Jordan didn’t even avenge 30. Does he ever end a season with a 50 40 90 ? No and he can’t hit a free throw to save his life, his game is flawed homie. Not the same breed
Jordan never lost in the finals either. What’s Lebrons stats on that?
@@nicsundberg8505 but jordan had never been in 10 finals
@@nicsundberg8505 jordan averaged 38.3 minutes per game.. Lol.. Never average 30 HAHA...
@@nicsundberg8505 jordan has 49% fieldgoal and 33% from 3.. Lebron 50%fg 34% 3pts... Lol
Crazy how you don’t get more traction. At least I’m gonna be able to say I was here for the humble beginnings 💯
Jordan kept getting better in the playoffs, every single year. That’s so terrific. I don't think that was the case once with Lebron.
MJ anyday.... Everyday!!
1987-92 MJ for me. But specifically 1987&1988. He was unstoppable in those days. I mean the things he’d do, I’ve yet to be seen replicated by any NBA player. No version of LeBron or Kobe would be able to contain late 80s Jordan.
93 Jordan averaged 41/8/6 in the finals
88-93 Jordan is hands down the greatest player of all-time.
I love and respect jordans game but 2006 kobe would be a great match for jordan. Kobe is infinitely better than Dominique and drexler.
Lebron is not underrated in the clutch. He’s actually just not a clutch player. The media moved the goal post to help him appear as if he’s better in the actual clutch than what he really is. Clutch is clutch. When the score is tight and you have to give a player the ball, it’s MJ, it’s Bird. After that , I’d go Reggie Miller, Kobe and creeping into the conversation is Damien Lillard. Lebron can’t even get a good shot off cuz he doesn’t have a dependable jumper. Modern analytics can help anyone’s narrative if they are selective with the criteria. Just know that there are alternative analytics that will counter those same narratives. Be careful
Facts. You can lie with statistics
did you watch lebron in 2018 on his last run with the Cavs?
LOL that statment hasn't applied since 2011. Lebron's jumper is plenty dependable now. His 2018 run was filled with clutch shots and he was the closer for both his 2012 and 2013 runs. Watch the games.
@@xaviervega468 Like I said before, any player nowadays can hit a shot in the clutch. That’s not what makes them a clutch player. It’s doing it time and time again. Odd how the narrative switched from how he wasn’t clutch to where the media moved the goal post by making the conversation more about stats in the last 5 min of the fourth. That’s moving the goal post. Being a “closer” is not the same as being clutch and Lebron is NOT that good at closing anyway. Selecting a series run over an 18 year career does not qualify as clutch.
@@elipaurini2303 Are you really trying to select one year out of 18 and trying to apply that to his “clutch” argument? I think that logic works in my favor🤣🤣
MJ’s the GOAT. No question.
I'll even take Jordan with the wizards! 😎🤣😂
Jordan had 19 rebounds in an elimination game?! That looks like a typo. Lol!
Not a typo, facts
Why is this even a debate. MJ is untouched, lebron can’t even attempt a and-1 without whining to the refs.
Lebron is one of the best players ever, but Michael Jordan IS the best player ever. Unstoppable offense and shutdown defense. When Jordan was asked to play point guard for a brief period of time, he had numerous triple doubles. If Michael was asked to pass or rebound first and shoot 2nd, he would have found a way to be the best PG of all time.
Michael didnt play the point for just a brief period. He was the Bulls' point guard for most of the 1988 and 1989 playoffs' and for the whole 1991 Finals', and he was sensational.
@@mskidi Thank you, I did not realize he playedvthe PG position that long
Jordan can play the 1,2 and 3 effectively while Lebron can play the `1,3, and 4
Michael...and I didn't even finish watching this!
Let's appreciate Lebron is now leading the league all-time for career in turnovers
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
And most TH-cam flopping compilations
and second in missed layups in NBA history.
I used to be a diehard Lebron fan 8 straight years. But last year that changed because of our political differences and him trashing my views. So now I look this data again with no biased glasses on and now I realized that there is no competition between MJ and Lebron. Michael Jordan is the GOAT. That accomplisment list is unreal. And c'mon, MJ lost 0 times in the finals while Lebron already has 6 losses. But main reason why MJ is incredible is that he did all that in 5 less years than Lebron has done now and MJ's list is still more incredible.
Also 90s were much tougher era.
Where was that skill set in a near elimination, requiring Ray Allen to save the series that would have been over in 99.95% of games played in history? The Spurs couldn't secure a 5 point lead with 23 seconds left to end what should have been a 4 games to 2 win. Spurs came back the following year with a gentlemen's sweep, forcing LeFraud to ditch teams again.
Mj goat 2021 -80s-90s-20s-forever
giving the goat credit on his birthday I like that. awesome video
Its Jordan then everyone else
87-88 MJ best player ever .
I can’t thank you enough for the videos you made man. I think it’s a damn shame that we have to rely on TH-camrs like yourself to tell the truth because people in sports media have an existing biased and want to tell half-truths or just flat out lie. When you make your videos, you never make them to disrespect another player you just are stating the facts says they are in there isn’t enough people in sports media doing that today. Keep up the great work.
Jordan made players that would make Labron look like a middle school basketball player, embarrassed, he is and always will be in a different league, zero comparison, any questions for people that dont know or have never had the privilege to watch Jordan, just watch one minute of highlights, that will explain everything and set you straight to who the best is, always Jordan, period
Until we see someone have a career average of more than 30ppg at more than 50% fg shooting, have more than 6 rings, go undefeated in the finals moreso, win 3 dunk champs, change fashion style, get well over heads with the rim, be voted the NBA's top 50 player, who is cooler, a better perceived role model for kids, elevates his stats in crunch time and playoffs, had a better looking jump shot, better looking dunks, was a smarter playmaker, was hungrier to win, had better more physical cut-throat dirty cheating opponents, who plays when the league brings back hand checking, when parody returns to the NBA, was defensive player for more years, who trashed talked more, scored more than 69pts in 1 game, sells more jerseys sneakers and posters, who has a higher valued rookie card, when his opponents admitted he was the best in their era after his career ends, who wins who plays on a more talented Dream Team and wins more USA gold metals, has a major shoe deal with 2 companies, has more awesome stories, plays 2 sports better, more videos made about him, has more high lights per game, draws bigger crowds at games, draws more TV viewers, made more commercials and movies, is more athletic somehow, known on mars, and the list continues... then we will know someone finally topped MJ. Until then, MJ is hands down the best player the world has ever witnessed. To top him in just a few of these, does not justify them as the GOAT. Even to tie him, MJ still did it first. Folks, we likely will not ever experience a new GOAT.
When you mentionned "known on mars", that's what sealed it for me. Jordan is the GOAT.
I agree MJ is currently the GOAT but this is bullshit you don't have to have a better looking jumpshot , a higher vertical , making better movies, selling more shoes? Like cmon 🙄 Carrying a team to a championship in great fashion more than 6 times and scoring with great efficiency is enough to be the G.O.A.T not all this bullshit you MJ peasants speak of... so basically what hakeem olajuwon did but 4-6 times or more? The G.O.A.T. I'll say it again I agree MJ is the current GOAT but there's someone out there with the fire 🔥 in his soul that has what it takes to be the new GOAT! 🐐Oh yeah and It hasn't even been 20 whole years since MJ retired so how could you say there may never be another GOAT? You think 20 years is enough time to see another player like Michael Jordan if not better? That's a once in half a century type of player right there
@@Dizzzydude May God bless you
@@TheHighestGodisGood 🙏
This
i want a kobe vs Lbj! Now that's where the comment section explodes! Coz MJ vs Lbj is a ship sailed long ago..
MJ THE G.O.A.T....LBJ NOT EVEN CLOSE.
I’d pick Jordan in his worst year over LeBron in his best. I’ll take Washington Wizards Jordan over 2013 LeBron. Jordan led a band of scrubs to the playoffs.
Are you high? Lebron led a bunch of g-leaguers to the finals before 25. Jordan struggled to make it to the playoffs let alone get out of the first round at that age
Niggas b saying ANYTHING in these comments 😭😭😭😭😭🤦🏾♂️ I’ve seen it all lol
@@KingAhmadTv the fact that 10 MFs liked that comment
Jordan didn’t “lead” them to anything but two consecutive thirty win seasons and neither of them resulted in a playoff berth. Plus, he was an inefficient shot chucker who couldn’t play consistent defense. He had no business starting in the ASG as a replacement over Vince Carter, who the media pressured to give up his spot in the first place.
Getting a little silly now. Jordan didn't make the playoff in either Wizard season. By that time 2013 James would have smoked him.
Jordan has two three peats! LeBron doesn't even have one!
1962 Wilt vs 2000 Shaq?
Taking into account stat inflation and winning, I might actually go with Shaq
Id go with Wilt, with his offense shaq would of fouled out in the first quarter. Wilt would of bullied shaq, his strength is legendary Shaq just had bulk but no muscle compared to Wilt.
very hard to compare players from the 60's and 2000's but i'm going wilt
Easily wilt, he's stronger, more athletic, better defender, better rebounder, has just as good of a touch+ a really good mid range jumper
Forgot to add that he can also dribble the ball better than shaq as he played PG and SG in the harlome globetrotters and had few turnovers
Jordan always better
This is insult to compare anyone to early MJ he was a God!!
Include turnovers next time...the picture will get even Clearer.
That’s facts people say lebron is a better passer cuz he gets more assists. Really? I’m not denying his passing ability but he gets almost 3 more turnovers than jordan and sometimes more. Jordan doesn’t turn the ball over and gives an amazing pass when he needs to. Lebron is looking for the pass too often for his ability and while he does give amazing assists, he also turns the ball over a lot more too. Jordan passes when he needs to and when he can’t he doesn’t turn the ball over. Lebron looks for the pass too much and turns the ball over much more. To me you are a better passer with 8 assists and 0 turnovers then 12 assists and 4 turnovers because you aren’t giving up the ball
@@HaroonKhan-wd2dz imo Jordan would have also been a better passer if he got to show it, pippen held his team play making back a notch because he didn’t facilitate
Because LeBron always has the ball, of course the main ball handler is gonna have a lot of turnovers, especially when he’s a pass 1st player
@@austindorsey-steele1368 1. He isnt a pass first player, he is a scorer that can pass the ball, no pass first players average more shots than all of their teamates in every single team they play, 2. James' is more prone to turnovers regardless of how much he keeps the ball anyway because a. he travels a lot more than Mike, b. he commits more offensive fouls, c. he is much less potent in operating in tight spaces, d. his motor is nowhere near what Mike's was.
@@austindorsey-steele1368 lebron looks to score buuuuuut the media says that he isn't a scorer. No way does he put up those numbers if he isn't a scorer. Ya wanna know who's a passer? Lonzo. Jokic is too. Lebron just so happens to pass the ball very well and in recent seasons he's begun averaging double digit assist numbers.
1991 Mike made a clutch shot to go to OT against the Lakers in the Finals and locked up magic in OT to avoid going down 1-2 with the series going back to LA.
2013 Bron was outplayed by Danny Green in the first three games of the Finals and was saved by Ray Allen.
It's an easy choice.
One of the most overlooked things in that series, LBJ was playing like a 2nd/3rd option again those first few games. Averaging 16.7 ppg on 38.9% the first 3 games, at no point was MJ averaging this in any series. Going into game 6 he was averaging only 21.6 ppg on 43.6%, still way below his average.
LBJ fans...this is why a lot of people say “Ray Allen saved his finals legacy” at that time, bc he did. Had LBJ lost he would’ve been 1-3 in the finals, losing 3 while playing way below his average and choking vs Mavs.
@@eazyduzit-tr3nx they won't listen 😤
@@eazyduzit-tr3nx Bron was a monster in games 6 and 7 though. Bron haters NEVER give him credit for closing out both games. Ray Allen SAVED that game 6, but Bron still had to close it out in OT.
1991 Jordan's finals numbers - 31.2 ppg, 11.2 app, 2.8 spg, 1.4 bpg, .558 FG5 and .500 from 3 land... Lebron's never done anything close to that stat line in the finals.. the one time he averaged more ppg, he was a terrible .397 from the field. Even in 2018/2020, he didn’t have anywhere near Jordan’s efficiency, had nearly twice the turnovers, was considered mediocre on defense while Jordan was the best by far on both ends, averaging near 3 steals and 1.4 blocks per game, scoring 13 field goals in a row and “the move”
Lebron was not behind anyone in 2016 finals, jordan was trailing magic johnson in assists in 1991 finals.
@@dynamic6645 Are you really cherry picking one individual stat to try and portray Magic as outplaying Jordan? Should I pick Deandre Jordan's rebounding to say he outplays Lebron?
Even despite scoring 31 points per game, Jordan had the 3rd highest assists per game that finals series of all time with 11.4, after Russell and Magic. Jordan also shut him down in OT in a vital game, holding him to 0-0-1.
Gamescore was 29.4 Jordan to Magic 20... not even close! Meanwhile, Durant vs Lebron? 2017 30.3 to 29.6 in favor of Durant. 2018? 28.3 to 26.9, but Lebron chose not to guard Durant because he was too dominant.
And, well, we all know 2011 wasn't even close. Seriously, when did a player even come close to Jordan's gamescore or PER in a finals series? Hell, find me just one playoff series. The only one that exists is rusty 95 Jordan, where Jordan still outplayed Shaq.
Um you’re forgetting 2016 finals where he averaged like 29.7 ppg, 11.3rebounds , 8.9 assists, 2.6 steals and 2.3 blocks on 50 percent shooting. Ur also forgetting 2020 finals where he averaged 29.8 ppg, 11.8 rebounds, 8.5 assists, 1.2 stls and 0.5 blocks on 59 percent shooting. So yeah those are definitely close to Jordan’s performance.
@@jasonmoukala8909 You mean 2020 when he was outplayed by Kevin Durant, especially in the clutch? I’m not forgetting those. Neither were goat-worthy. 2016 win was by far his best, but he was playing a small ball team with an injured Steph (three games back in and after an awful houston series). Not to mention stats/PER is significantly inflated now. You’ve got Luka, giannis, Trae and all sorts of guys averaging triple doubles regularly. In the 90s, the leader usually had four for the entire season. In 2016, even Lebron’s second option Kyrie averaged almost 30 ppg like lebron, hitting clutch shots. So I stand by my statement. Compare game scores for all players in each finals series with Lebron and Jordan. You’ll see how big of a gap it is. That’s the only way other than going back and watching, where it’s obvious as well.
@@shabaazranney1418 oh stop. He was not outplayed. They’re definitely goat worthy performances from bron
1986-1988 was the best Jordan ever, sadly he had an average team those years.
His game IQ was still evolving, but cat like relfex and speed he was awesome 87 and 88. Jordan's game peaked in 1990 and 92 was his best IMO.
@@bobbyd1632 not in my opinion, he had a better team and was more mature but the 1986-1988 Jordan was incomparable
@@saadkhatib3456 Respect your opinion bro, I'm old enough to have watched Jordan play every game since 87-88. His game was so freaking exciting up until 89 no question. But from 1990 my view was he knew evolving meant reserving energy, he was so good he almost looked in slow motion when he baited players, he was technically perfect and his mid range began to excel. Also he involved and trusted his team mates more from 1990. But let's be real, it's almost impossible to split 87-93 seasons at all. And 96-98 he was different but still undeniably the best player.
@@bobbyd1632 i agree, I prefer 91-93 as well.
@@m74d3 Yeah man I agree. Look at 86, he averages 44ppg for series in the first round against the beast 86 Celtics. Amazing! But in 93 he averages 41ppg Finals series against a great Suns team. Which was also next level as three-peat is a big deal. Difference is leadership and overall IQ.
Jordan's defense breaks any tie between them.
jordans defense against who?
Magic when he got switched out in the finals?
@@elipaurini2303 Who? Pick a team. 7 fewer than today prior to '88 and 3 few prior to '95. Restated: today's NBA's talent is diluted with 35 players starting today that would not have started prior to '88, even more that wouldn't even be in the league.
No, Just tell me the 5 best shooting guarded during his 6 championships and how many times he went up against each.
Was it Dan Majerle, Jeff Hornaced, John Starks?
No, It was just Reggie and Clyde that MJ guarded - i'll be happy if you could include any more great SG's that went against Jordan during those 6 rings
@@elipaurini2303 No thanks Eli. MJ's defensive awards speak for themselves. One question though: who do you believe are the 35 players starting in the NBA today that wouldn't have started in the 80's?
@@TruthHasSpoken why are you so stuck on this 35 player nonsense? the game has changed completely, i'm sure nearly everyone that starts today would start back then minus the All Stars of that era
As soon as he said "He [Jordan] didn't go to any game sevens', that really ended the debate right there.
All version of Jordan is better , even when Jordan in a wheel chair he’s better .
MJ was a true leader obsessed with winning basketball championships, he's not out politicking, not focusing on anything else but winning at basketball. You can debate numbers, and stats but MJ's drive and focus is the difference. Lebron might be a better physical athlete but that's about it.
Respectful opinion. I like stats and Lebron has plenty of them so it’s Lebron for me all day
@@cumbusta9175 Stats depend on a LOT of things. The fact that Lebron has LOST as many rings as Jordan has WON has me voting Jordan all day. That's the only stat that matters.
@@marcoslaureano5562 aye man I’m pretty sure you have your reason on why Jordan is better and I have plenty of reason on why I think Lebron is better
@@marcoslaureano5562 and robert horry has one more ring than mj without a finals loss.
Air Jordan any year over Leflop James
Man look 87-93 MJ was the one true Goat
To be honest, in my opinion, the best version of MJ was in the late 80s, that period would have been immortalized if he won a chip, but Boston, Detroit and LA were in his way.
Michael Jordan
Jordan from 88 - 93 is a better player than LeBron EVER was. Or any player in history basically. Should’ve been MVP every one of those seasons with 93 Barkley or Hakeem having a strong case with him.
You just gained a sub my friend.
The biggest difference is Jordan didn't have to dance after making a big shot, because the whole world was....FACTS 🕺🕺🕺 #MJ23 #2x3peats
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Jordan. Jordan was a Monster on Both ends of the court. Without having to make his own team. Played in an Era where Defense was actually real Defense
brons era u aren't allowed to play defense in jordans era u could damn near beat jordan up... there is no comparison Bron is average in a softer league jordan DOMINATED a physical league...
Jordan hands down, with allowed fouls
Michael Jordan.. all day no matter how you word it or stats you use and MJ was Clutch..
Jordans defense was peaking in 91? He won defensive player of the year in 1989 he was always top 5 in steals since he ce in the league
Lol I thought lebron was a better passer lol but he averaged less assists than Jordan in the 2013 nba finals lol 7asg to Jordan’s 11asg
Look over the span of their careers that should answer your question
@@cumbusta9175 😂😂😂still taking Jordan dude
@@cumbusta9175 look at their roles lol Jordan was never a point and when he was a point he averaged a triple double lebron been a point forward since he entered the league
@@chikushodiz91 so your telling me this why?
That’s why Lebron is a different breed at Jordan time it was common for guards to be leading in assists. Ofc you had guys like Pippen who could facilitate but once Lebron stepped in he took that point forward to a whole Nother level. It isn’t lebron fault that his biggest advantage is his vision.
Lebron was still a better passer, he could make any kind pass you want. Jordan's can't say the same. Jordan averaged so many assists in those Finals because he was getting doubled like crazy.
Vlade a 5, Worthy a 4 and 3, MJ guarded both in game 2, of 1991 finals, after he was switched off of Magic Johnson, who’s also a 1-4. Lol.
James Worthy had a sprained ankle, it was not the james worthy of the showtime lakers, he no longer had quickness and lateral movement.
@@dynamic6645 MJ hurt himself, foot or ankle, after he made shot, to force overtime, when Pippen fouled out, not to go down 1-2, and he still got it done. You have to do, what you have to do.
@@dynamic6645 another thing is, neither of them can guard jordan, and won’t dare try. But you fanboys, try to get on about, what positions he can’t guard.
@@dynamic6645 when you’re bigger, you go in the post, especially back then.
@@dynamic6645 didn’t isiah drop 25 in a quarter, on a bad ankle, when refs cheated for Lakers, and Lakers beat isiah?
Jordan. Didn’t even have to watch this video to know that answer. I’ve seen both seasons
91 Jordan 😂😂
88’ Jordan won MVP , DPOY, scoring title , 1st team all defense , steals leader, dunk contest winner ALL IN ONE YEAR
I LOVE watching LBJ, but MJ> LBJ, ALL DAY EVERY DAY!
Goat bday
Great video. I totally agree with you. Jordan peak was better than any other player in history.
Mj the goat hands down Jordan had smoothness and calm every game and he played every game he didn’t need a break plus Jordan just all around better player ever
Lebron can’t even beat Kobe, he got no chance on MJ.
nah lol, bron is better than Kobe
@@nguasaya1305 Not by skills, Longevity yes, but Robert Jaworski still better than LBJ if Longevity is the conversion.
@@ilocanodetoy2225 jaworski not playing in nba
@@ilocanodetoy2225 but bron has a great stats than Kobe except rings bro
@@nguasaya1305 Stats accumulated by longevity means different, since you mentioned stats what about the most turnovers stat now.
Jordan
People don't understand that Jordan will always be better than Lebron. the league is soft now and am sure LeBron can never do what Jordan did back then.
he is not doing it now... why go back to MJ's era 😂
This doesn't even take into account the artistry/aesthetics of the game, which Jordan wipes the floor with James.