I really wonder why they chose to bring back almost every VA from the Stay Night/Movie dub for Zero Archer became Kariya, Kirei became Iskandar, Gilgamesh became Diarmuid, which is especially confusing when they could have just kept the old VA instead of have him do another character
Jurica Eršek this is why I hate western dub contracts. Legally those actors aren’t allow to voice characters with those names for another dubbing studio. So they had to switch. Funimation tried their best. But that was all they were allow to do.
In the subs on the Japanese version Archer refers to his own actions in the first person, rather than the second person to shirous actions. I allways liked that more but the dub has been really good for this movie
I've always loved this version for that reason. Not that I dislike the series, since they've explain way more in it and you get hit with different angles of pain/perspectives but there's something truly special with Liam O'Brian portrayal and the dialogue that goes with it. You can feel the betrayel in his voice of what he's seeing and instead what he became. A real, pure incarnation of everything he wanted in himself to achieve standing right in front of him and all he can muster up is his hatred and disgust for the foolishness of his young heart to believe it was going to play out the way he'd always envisioned. A man torn by his desire to love himself and his ideals so much to the point of wanting to eliminate his own existence from time in order to protect that dream and the shock of finally seeing that embodiment standing before him and praying he could be convinced otherwise. It really strikes a not with me, who has always had this internal conflict in the same vein of my ideals and the reality my path took me.
The point of this fight was never for archer to kill Shirou. the reason Shirou won was because archer let him win. Shirou's resolve and determination reminded him of what He was before and why He did what he did. It's a really amazing idea when you think about it. People start off with amazing ideals and dreams but then after time they get tarnished and covered by the burden of the task and we lose sight of them, forgetting what drove us to that point in the first place. Archer knows who Shirou is and at first glance his intention is to kill him. The truth us he wants to prevent Shirou from going down the same path, thinking he can scare or injure him to the point of giving up. But Shirou's resolve reminds Him of his buried Ideals and He realizes he cannot shake him from that path.
Its a reminder to himself of why Archer even went down this path. Poetic and tragic at the same time. And as the Aimer song goes, "it lights a Fire long forgotten"...
I always believed this interpretation, but tbh this movie kindof ruins that when Shirou manages to beat Gilgamesh on his own right after. Even so, I'm sure this was the intended idea behind the Shirou vs Archer scene
I really don't know why they didn't keep the voice actors for Shirou and Archer. Yeah, Zero came out and replaced the voice for Saber but that was a decent change and the actress still did a good job. But Bryce Papenbrook as Shirou was nothing but wrong.
Cake# You mean to say that Kiritsugu Emiya's voice actor, Matthew Mercer, voted #1 voice actor in America, sucks at voice acting...? Dude, what are you talking about???
Archer: "Your future is nothing but a prison for the foolish mortals like ourselves that believe in fake ideals. Stop this and seek a better fate or face certain death." Shirou: "No u"
Odd, this actually sounds like different voice actors than the ones on the Netflix version. Infact i know they are bc i am wachting this on Netflix now and wanted to skip forward to this epic scene.. lmao Both of their voices sound deeper in this video than in the version that Netflix uses
This is actually really cool. The fact Shirou doesn’t deny his ideals are just fantasy, instead that becomes his power. Turning his thoughts into the power that will save the world, and himself
I like this version better than Ufotable's, honestly. Not because of the story aspects (though it is definitely not bad) or the V.A. It's the combat in this fight. Each strike has a clear force of impact, each dodge made with rather realistic motions, and the sparks flying from each crash of steel against steel is very pleasing to me. It seems so much more... desperate than Ufotable's. It's as if Shirou and Archers desperation to prove the other wrong can be translated just from the fighting itself. I love this scene, I truly do, and it disappoints me that I didn't see many scenes like this in UBW.
Man Archer's old VA really, really, really nails it so much to a T. I really wish he remained as Archer because his voice just fits more but I do not discount new Archer's voice. His voice is also good but not as good compared to old Archer. Just saying, not because of nostalgia filter but by choice.
As pretty as the animation of the new show is, Liam O'Brien IS the English Archer in my humble opinion. The sheer amount of energy and passion and... well... GAR is just awesome.
Uhhhhh...I love how Saber is not weirded out by the fact that Archer is a legendary hero from the FUTURE, which she is fully aware of, and all the others are legendary heroes from the PAST. She doesn't find that suspicious...Nope, a hero from the future is here, makes total sense!
The Throne Of Heroes exists outside the Time Axis. They explain it in the show itself. This is why EMIYA can exist before he should, and why what Archer is doing is ultimately useless because as a record outside the Time Axis even if he kills Shirou it won't erase him.
Sam Riegal did just as good as Liam O'Briam( correct me if I misspelled Liam's name. Gotta show respect for the guy! :D) if anything, I prefer Sam over the JVA. The Japanese voice actor just can't match the determination and heroic voice of a Sam Riegal.
I don't like Bryce because he sounds like a generic shonen protagonist. Sam makes Shirou sound like his own character, which is the biggest problem I have with newer Fate dubs.
Seth Hawkins no i also think he nail it as shirou for some reason i think his voice just fits the character alot better then paperbrook all thought he also did a great good
+φ First-order logic While indeed David may lack the intimidating voice of Tomokazu Seki, his smoothness and tone just amps the arrogance and that is why he fits Gil better while thankfully Grant got changed to Zero Lancer whose voice is just perfect there.
Am I the only one who thought this fight was better than the Ufotable one? Don't get me wrong, the Ufotable was still really cool in it's own way, but I think it lacked the intensity that this one had. The whole trash talking while fighting is what gets me everytime, and also the fact that Shiro and Archer conjured up different kinds of swords besides Kanshou and Byakuya.
Agreed, I think. The ufotable version had a better fight because it was clear that Archer had the advantage the whole time and got the imagery down pat. But this one is way more intense because they didn't stop to talk all the time. Archer's rage just floods through his dialogue
I also have to agree. The ufotable version was way to one sided. To the point where archer shouldn't have lost. Now while I don't think Shiro should be able to fight a servant period I do like this fight better because it did give him a fighting chance while still showing that archer was still better.
When Sam Riegel was still Shirou, people bitched about his performance. When he was replaced by Bryce Papenrbook, everyone bitches about that and demands he return, which isn't his choice. If he does return for the Heaven's Feel movie, people would bitch about his Shirou more than ever, just like they did with Mela Lee's Rin. Am I right, or am I right?
I like Sam Riegel's Shirou. Bryce is okay, but he doesn't fit the character, like he was in Attack on Titan. But with everything, especially anime dubs, those being negative always speak louder than those being positive. Because a lot of people enjoy being assholes.
+MajorLeagueGamer838 I like Bryce Papenbrook, but the one thing I'm concerned about is his yelling. It's not that he does it too much, it's more so it's too high. I think when people yell, their voice goes up in frequency and it doesn't sound like someone turning up the volume. His scream against gleam eyes in SAO is one example. But he's a good actor. I'm sad Sam isn't coming back, but I have my hopes.
+BioZero216 I always liked Sam because Sam fit shirou But oh my god Bryce ruined the dub outright for me Liam not being there makes me sad too but atleast the person they used was alright for the character
UBW did the fight better. Here Shirou pretty much says, 'nuh-uh, shut up, Archer', rather than providing any meaningful refutation of his own future cynicism.
Xadhoom Xado I get what you are saying but I don't think it's portrayed in the way you interpret. A lot of this scene gets misread easily if you don't gather from all the series. Fate/Stay Night, Fate/Zero, UBW movie and UBW series all have little notes relating to Shirou's Ideals. The issue of this movie is it tries to capture a lot in a short span. I think it still comes across as the same idea however: Shirou is stubborn in his Ideals and because of that Archer let's him win. He doesn't win out of greater skill or power but more so Archer never intended to kill Shirou. Before you say he did think of these points. Every time in the series Shirou was about to be or is hurt by Archer he is either saved or has ability to escape. Even when wounded Archer could easily kill Shirou but chooses to hit him in non lethal areas. He has full understanding of Shirou's Healing factor and his Capabilities due to his class and his knowledge of Shirou. So it comes off as more of a defiant action in this scene but essentially it's Archer attempting to break Shirou's will and so preventing him from going down the same road. There's a lot of deep shot hinted and talked about in this series that people overlook. And what's cool is the hints and signs are there they just never come out and say it straight alot.
Urinal if you know the background info for Archer(Emiya), which you clearly do, your point is heavily strengthened. There is at absolutely no point, where Archer wasn't capable of killing Shirou. Even until last few seconds of his existence, Archer could have killed Shirou, but when the dust settled. When a stream of blood escaping his chest, he won. Archer won this battle, just as must as Shirou did.
Omega Fighter I simply love how much details they give to this series as a whole. There's so much missed if you only watch one of the stories or only watch stuff once.
Urinal I know right?! Would you have guessed Shirou being capable,at one point, of "defeating" Saber alter, in a one on one battle by watching or reading only the Unlimited Blade Works Route. I mean he doesn't kill her, but he defeats her. Unless he has rider help then Saber dies. Plus there are characters that are introduced sorta in the beginning, but just disappear in.. well all path ways. Characters are just kinda forgotten about.
2:10 "The winner takes control of the bladeworks." You can't fight over a Reality Marble. That's not how it works. That line isn't remotely accurate... yet for some reason I like it. I really like it. 5:33 *snrk* I want to say that is horrible dialog for Shiou to say and that's it's vastly inferior to the sub... if it wasn't so in-character for him to say stupid shit like that.
"the winner takes control of the bladeworks"... The heroic spirit, shirou emiya. The line isn't bad. The winner lives to see the Grail war through, if only for a bit, becoming the true Shirou emiya. Be it the result of his failed ideals or the embodiment of those ideals, emiya will then be the only one in the world with the unlimited bladeworks. Shirou was fighting to overcome Archer and Archer was fighting to put down Shirou. It was more of a declaration of resolve.
Well since the reality marble is Emiya’s Shirou could take control of it - they’re the same spiritual existence. It happens in the UBW anime. Not sure about the VN though. Although it probably is just supposed to sound cool.
Archer- *"Your life is a fantasy, you can't save everything!"* Shirou- *"Your wrong and I'm right!!!"* Archer- *"Ok... you win."* That's what I felt about this fight. If this movie was another 2hrs long, then they could have flesh it out more.
Why cant I find the ufotable version of this fight on youtube? :( I prefer the depth of that version SO much more! There are a lot of points in there I want to hear again but can't find.
Sorry Shirou but Archer is absolutely right about you. It kind of sucks that Archer lost to be honest, because Shirou is wrong while the show seems to hammer that Shirou is right when he's so annoyingly naive and arrogant over his ideals. Archer IS Emiya, thus he naturally knows what awaits him and his ultimate betrayal. If anything Shirou thinks he can save everyone, yet it's painfully obivous he can't. He acts like some fariy tale hero, unable to face a plain reality. He's a child.
in the original Fate route shirou becomes the hero he sought and lived for 300 years ultimately becoming the last true hero, thus his ranked Rose from normal people and which is why he was able to enter Avalon a place where True Heros slumber. and which is the only reason I hate all the other routes cuz they suck balls, almost a plot where I don't give a damn about the Main character cuz he's being a di*k and love interest are annoying as f***
1:14-1:17 Saber says you killed people? I SERIOUSLY doubt that's what the real translation is. Hell in FSN there are flash backs of saber on top of mountain of bodies that she killed. Saber acting like killing people is something new.
She's suprised that Shirou, in the future, would take someone's life without a second thought. Since, in case you didn't understand, Archer is Emiya Shirou.
My original favorite fight was kirei vs kiritsugu because of the power and struggles they had as individuals. However I admire this fight much more because it was the quarrel of the pre destined hero and the tragic future he wants to change
I think the fact here is that both voice actors match up well in this. You can see Archer as an older version based on the voices. However the new voice actors do not match.
Brian did great as archer, lots of emotion but after growing up with him as the voice of Gaara from Naruto it just feels weird to me hearing him as archer 😅
Definitely one of my favorite two Anime fights ever, with the other one being Kiritsugu vs Kirei. I've watched Shounen Anime all my life, but these two fights top all of those fights imo.
I feel really badly over the fact that I can't remember his name at the moment, however, if any of you have watched Naruto, Archer is voiced by the guy that did Gaara.
they're both great fights but nothing tops the VNs fight scene for me in this one Shirou doesn't actually give any counter arguments he's just like "Nuh uh, Archer you're wrong and i'm right." while in Ufotable they didn't add the last fight outside of UBW and they both didn't add the part where Shirou was so damaged that he barely was able to breathe or speak but still kept going
I was so looking forward to this fight in the adaptation's dub.......then the new Archer opened his mouth.....and I got really really fucking sad, but then I somewhat was ok with it..............then I heard Kirito open his mouth and I flipped a fucking table Is it weird I enjoy this fight dubbed rather than the dubbed TV version?
+TheDeathWombat Where is this episode from?! It's not from the original fate stay/night, or Ufotable's unlimited blade works. Is there another unlimited blade works?
I think the newer fight’s dub was fine. Sure Shirou is voiced by Kirito, so what? I think he did his job (and Archer’s VA as well) and portrayed the character to t best of their ability. TBH the lines in the old dub half the time made no sense like “I don’t care if my body is made of swords!” or a better example of lines like an “EPic Spirit EMIYA”... the dialogue was not very accurate to the source material in DEEN.
Welp I can't get into the Japanese voices of Fate other than Shiro and Archer really (Archer cause he's Daiki Aomine and I love that voice). Knowing that Saber sounds like Celty Sturluson and Raine Sage in English made her that damn cooler. I love Kari Wahlgren and Michelle Ruff both but Kari's voice fits her so well I can't really accept anything else lol Also, I feel like Troy Baker would play a perfect Archer, but I won't complain about Liam O'Brien doing it. And I'm glad you aren't just bagging on something cause you prefer something else. TH-cam needs more people like you.
AznHoboOVER9000 his new dub is definitely better than the original. Funnily enough the guy who voices him here (Grant George) plays Lancer in Fate Zero. His new voice in Zero and UBW is the original voice for Assassin in FSN.
actually Archer used too much mana using the blade work so many times before fight shirou and he has no master since Caster gone so he couldnt recover his mana and a servent without a master shouldnt be able to even materialize himself in real world but he could do that even without a master using his own mana so Archer probably was the servant with most powerful mana in this war of the grail .
He actually had a trait that let him act without a master's mana, lvl B if i recall right, that traits name is independent action. Gilgamesh had that trait but lvl A+.
He wanted to lose... The blade works can only have one master,and the title can only be taken by force. So he baited his past self into killing him so he can be free.
+mackybell14 The description of the English dub makes no sense. UBW is a Reality Marble, a manifestation of one's soul that forces the outer world and inner world to switch position. There isn't a single owner, as Shirou and Archer are already two different people with their inner world having a different landscape and ideal. Archer planned to kill Shirou, but the fight between them wasn't about clashes of swords and projections, but of ideals. One who will never regret his path and desires the happiness of everyone, the other who became a hero by killing thousands to save thousands of thousands and in the end became bitter about his choice. It is a battle of will and the first one to falter in determination loses. Archer, even if weakened due to using too much prana without a Master, is still far stronger than a human and Shirou barely matched him. The reason Archer lost at the end was because upon seeing Shirou's eyes, the will of never giving up and the determination he had upon receiving Kiritsugu's ideals during a certain night, he remembered the pure emotions he possessed at that time and how he promised himself that as long as he believed in himself, he wouldn't fall in despair despite the paradox of saving everyone. Shirou, differently from Archer, has never given up about his ideals and has thus won the battle of wills. Archer falters despite his advantage in the battle. At a point, Shirou loses his skills acquired by close contact with his future self and reverts to his normal ones. His attacks are reckless, his movements slow and his skills mediocre, but the ideal he holds in himself is the strongest. Archer sees that and loses against Emiya Shirou.
Recke Can you reload this video in higher-quality please ? I'm not asking you to delete this video I'm just asking if you can upload another one but with higher quality.
I choked when I heard Gligameshs voice. Fuck, it's so weird and out of place X,,D my god. He sounds like Jaden from Yugioh GX X"""D Gilgamesh doesn't sound like a douche, but rather he sounds like a hyped up generic main character X""D
Honestly, I kinda preferred the amount of energy and passion in Liam O'Brien's dialogue here. In my humble opinion, the new "UBW" dub feels a bit too... transliterated. As in, word-for-word translated from the Japanese, which isn't always a good thing because some lines that sound cool in Japanese just don't have the same amount of gravitas as they do in English. The new show definitely has more development time because it's built more like a sequel to "Fate/Zero", which definitely works in its favour at times, but I still think the dialogue is a bit less snappier than that in the movie.
Samven The Voice acting in the original fate stay night is Sailor moon tier, the voice acting and the entire script fell like they're built for the purpose of over dramatization, It's sounds so cheesy and forced it's cringe worthy. The UBW dub sounds and feels magnitudes more natural.
I have not seen "Sailor Moon" at all so I cannot comment there. As for the "UBW" show sounding more natural than the movie... eh, agree to disagree. It's less melodramatic, true, but there are still plenty of scenes that make me think, "Something tells me this was a word-for-word translation." O'Brien is definitely more over-the-top than Tang, that much is true, but I actually prefer some of the pragmatic changes to his dialogue. I dunno, it just feels a bit snappier and his smug tone of voice during the snarkier lines feels more like he's so totally done with all of this, which is sorta what Archer should sound like in my humble opinion. But, of course, that's just my opinion.
Andrew Johnson I agree but this one wasn't bad. This fight was probably the only saving grace of a mediocre movie. Even if the quality of this fight wasn't as good as the ufotable version, it still conveys the intense emotions and ideals possessed by the characters.
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"This reality you think that awaits you is a illusion, and you don't even know it!" The pain in Archer's voice is perfect in that one line.
I really wonder why they chose to bring back almost every VA from the Stay Night/Movie dub for Zero
Archer became Kariya, Kirei became Iskandar, Gilgamesh became Diarmuid, which is especially confusing when they could have just kept the old VA instead of have him do another character
Jurica Eršek I think the new voices are better. Especially Kirei. David Vincent is perfect for Gilgamesh. Kaiji Tang is a fitting Archer as well
Jurica Eršek this is why I hate western dub contracts. Legally those actors aren’t allow to voice characters with those names for another dubbing studio. So they had to switch. Funimation tried their best. But that was all they were allow to do.
@@RoxLOL Almost every VA.
In the subs on the Japanese version Archer refers to his own actions in the first person, rather than the second person to shirous actions. I allways liked that more but the dub has been really good for this movie
Archer's rant in English is actually pretty good in my opinion. Full of emotion.
I've always loved this version for that reason. Not that I dislike the series, since they've explain way more in it and you get hit with different angles of pain/perspectives but there's something truly special with Liam O'Brian portrayal and the dialogue that goes with it. You can feel the betrayel in his voice of what he's seeing and instead what he became. A real, pure incarnation of everything he wanted in himself to achieve standing right in front of him and all he can muster up is his hatred and disgust for the foolishness of his young heart to believe it was going to play out the way he'd always envisioned. A man torn by his desire to love himself and his ideals so much to the point of wanting to eliminate his own existence from time in order to protect that dream and the shock of finally seeing that embodiment standing before him and praying he could be convinced otherwise. It really strikes a not with me, who has always had this internal conflict in the same vein of my ideals and the reality my path took me.
@@jubbelz All his hard work and
Help so many people all this for nothing
His ideals are nothing but children play
The point of this fight was never for archer to kill Shirou. the reason Shirou won was because archer let him win. Shirou's resolve and determination reminded him of what He was before and why He did what he did. It's a really amazing idea when you think about it. People start off with amazing ideals and dreams but then after time they get tarnished and covered by the burden of the task and we lose sight of them, forgetting what drove us to that point in the first place. Archer knows who Shirou is and at first glance his intention is to kill him. The truth us he wants to prevent Shirou from going down the same path, thinking he can scare or injure him to the point of giving up. But Shirou's resolve reminds Him of his buried Ideals and He realizes he cannot shake him from that path.
Its a reminder to himself of why Archer even went down this path. Poetic and tragic at the same time. And as the Aimer song goes, "it lights a Fire long forgotten"...
I always believed this interpretation, but tbh this movie kindof ruins that when Shirou manages to beat Gilgamesh on his own right after. Even so, I'm sure this was the intended idea behind the Shirou vs Archer scene
Essentially Archer tries to remind himself of all the darkness he became part of, missing the light and optimism that spared his life many times
@@yaboigamerdouji7573 yeah his ideals
Are nothing but lies Empty words therse
No point for his dream it's only make him
Pay for this
"You can wake up now or die dreaming!"
God, the VA is amazing
I really don't know why they didn't keep the voice actors for Shirou and Archer. Yeah, Zero came out and replaced the voice for Saber but that was a decent change and the actress still did a good job. But Bryce Papenbrook as Shirou was nothing but wrong.
+Zenith Tempest I mean both this shirou and kirito emiya both suck ass in voice acting.
Cake# You mean to say that Kiritsugu Emiya's voice actor, Matthew Mercer, voted #1 voice actor in America, sucks at voice acting...? Dude, what are you talking about???
Cake# Or did you mean the other Shirou that sounded like Kirito from SAO?
TerraEarthera I mean Bryce papenbrook who voiced Shirou in the ubw anime series.
Nothing against Shirou's current VA but in my opinion this VA to me fits Shirou more.
Sam Reigel is such an underrated voice actor
Archer: "Your future is nothing but a prison for the foolish mortals like ourselves that believe in fake ideals. Stop this and seek a better fate or face certain death."
Shirou: "No u"
I actually kinda like Archer's English voice actor.
Liam O'Brian is a fantastic VA. He even managed to make Final Fantasy XIII-2 bearable with his portayal of Caius Ballad.
All I can hear is garra and rukia
@@recjr7685 Perfect voice fer Zant in Twilight Princess. He'd totes nail the megalomainia, the creepy tone, AND the insanity.
Odd, this actually sounds like different voice actors than the ones on the Netflix version. Infact i know they are bc i am wachting this on Netflix now and wanted to skip forward to this epic scene.. lmao Both of their voices sound deeper in this video than in the version that Netflix uses
@@redfather5342 rukia?
Gotta admit, Liam O'brien makes a good Archer.
+MrMclaren32 Damn straight.
MrMclaren32 I usually love his voice but I find the new voice better
Santiago Scarpino is that an UBW abridged reference because he’s a really good Archer and he makes the best abridged stuff
This is actually really cool. The fact Shirou doesn’t deny his ideals are just fantasy, instead that becomes his power. Turning his thoughts into the power that will save the world, and himself
I like this version better than Ufotable's, honestly. Not because of the story aspects (though it is definitely not bad) or the V.A. It's the combat in this fight. Each strike has a clear force of impact, each dodge made with rather realistic motions, and the sparks flying from each crash of steel against steel is very pleasing to me. It seems so much more... desperate than Ufotable's. It's as if Shirou and Archers desperation to prove the other wrong can be translated just from the fighting itself. I love this scene, I truly do, and it disappoints me that I didn't see many scenes like this in UBW.
Holy shit, Archer became Kiritsugu with swords! Now that is depressing, that's like the exact opposite of what he wanted for Shirou
Man Archer's old VA really, really, really nails it so much to a T. I really wish he remained as Archer because his voice just fits more but I do not discount new Archer's voice. His voice is also good but not as good compared to old Archer. Just saying, not because of nostalgia filter but by choice.
As pretty as the animation of the new show is, Liam O'Brien IS the English Archer in my humble opinion. The sheer amount of energy and passion and... well... GAR is just awesome.
it's too bad Blizzard shackled Liam for the next WoW expansion. We needed him for Archer again
To be fair, they recast all the old "Fates" VA's, soo... yeah.
Not all of them; Rin, Lancer, and Illya have the same voice as in the DEEN adaption.
I stand corrected, then.
The Whole cast of Fate English VA of Both Deen's version was just epic, you can actually feel the emotions in their voices
Fun fact: Archer and Shirou now spend their Thursdays playing DnD together.
And their characters always end up in an idealogical battle to the death.
Plus Matt play kiritsugu so kiritsugu is playing dnd with his kids
I really do enjoy everything Liam O'Brien does. Funny thing is, these two VAs are actually best friends and they even do a podcast together.
And play DnD together
It's funny watching Scanlan and Vax fight 😂
both Archers' English Voice actors are equally good.
Uhhhhh...I love how Saber is not weirded out by the fact that Archer is a legendary hero from the FUTURE, which she is fully aware of, and all the others are legendary heroes from the PAST. She doesn't find that suspicious...Nope, a hero from the future is here, makes total sense!
The Throne Of Heroes exists outside the Time Axis.
They explain it in the show itself.
This is why EMIYA can exist before he should, and why what Archer is doing is ultimately useless because as a record outside the Time Axis even if he kills Shirou it won't erase him.
The Deen cast was really good. I miss them...
Gilgameshs voice sounds like motherfucking Joey Wheeler...
Unpopular opinion, the movie did this scene better than the ufotable anime did.
Liam O'Brien voicing Archer and Kain Highwind will always be a treat for me
Its so sad that they switched the voice actors for UBW, because in my opinion these one's are way better than the one's in UBW.
I really like Liam O'Brien's voice...
I seem to be the only one who thinks Sam Riegel did a great job as Shiro.
Nah I thought he was great too
Sam Riegal did just as good as Liam O'Briam( correct me if I misspelled Liam's name. Gotta show respect for the guy! :D) if anything, I prefer Sam over the JVA. The Japanese voice actor just can't match the determination and heroic voice of a Sam Riegal.
nah i prefer him sam over bryce. bryce plays shirou well but i feel like sam plays him better.
I don't like Bryce because he sounds like a generic shonen protagonist. Sam makes Shirou sound like his own character, which is the biggest problem I have with newer Fate dubs.
Seth Hawkins no i also think he nail it as shirou for some reason i think his voice just fits the character alot better then paperbrook all thought he also did a great good
Have to admit Archer's English VA is not bad.
I actually like it better then the Japanese VA. Shirou's English VA sounds like some 12 yr old yelling.
Lucas Fedrick not to mention, his voice actor also did Asura from Asuras Wrath
Thought it sounded familiar. Now that I know the connection, I can detect alot of rage in Emiya's voice.
Lucas Fedrick Sounds pretty calm to me.
Yeah, if you ignore the last phrases of his rant when he's practically growling at Shirou.
My only complaint is that David Vincent didn't voice Gilg in this one... he made Gilg so cool in Fate/Zero...
Thing is he voiced Assassin in that movie so I wonder.
Also, there's no way they won't license this for dubbing with how popular and good it is
倉敷市レイ
His Gilgamesh is much better than Grant George's version. He nailed the arrogance part of the character.
Definitely
+φ First-order logic While indeed David may lack the intimidating voice of Tomokazu Seki, his smoothness and tone just amps the arrogance and that is why he fits Gil better while thankfully Grant got changed to Zero Lancer whose voice is just perfect there.
HyperCobaltMax
Wait, that guy is Diarmuid's voice in Zero? Wow, I didn't even notice. They did a perfect job of casting for Zero, then
Honestly both voice actor of shiro from fate stay night and unlimited blade works are great
Am I the only one who thought this fight was better than the Ufotable one?
Don't get me wrong, the Ufotable was still really cool in it's own way, but I think it lacked the intensity that this one had. The whole trash talking while fighting is what gets me everytime, and also the fact that Shiro and Archer conjured up different kinds of swords besides Kanshou and Byakuya.
Agreed, I think.
The ufotable version had a better fight because it was clear that Archer had the advantage the whole time and got the imagery down pat. But this one is way more intense because they didn't stop to talk all the time. Archer's rage just floods through his dialogue
I also have to agree. The ufotable version was way to one sided. To the point where archer shouldn't have lost. Now while I don't think Shiro should be able to fight a servant period I do like this fight better because it did give him a fighting chance while still showing that archer was still better.
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This was an incredible bout before the UFOTABLE version dropped and re-enacted it.
I miss the original VA for dub. They were pretty good.
3:47 the best part begins
When Sam Riegel was still Shirou, people bitched about his performance. When he was replaced by Bryce Papenrbook, everyone bitches about that and demands he return, which isn't his choice. If he does return for the Heaven's Feel movie, people would bitch about his Shirou more than ever, just like they did with Mela Lee's Rin. Am I right, or am I right?
I like Sam Riegel's Shirou. Bryce is okay, but he doesn't fit the character, like he was in Attack on Titan. But with everything, especially anime dubs, those being negative always speak louder than those being positive. Because a lot of people enjoy being assholes.
+MajorLeagueGamer838 I like Bryce Papenbrook, but the one thing I'm concerned about is his yelling. It's not that he does it too much, it's more so it's too high. I think when people yell, their voice goes up in frequency and it doesn't sound like someone turning up the volume. His scream against gleam eyes in SAO is one example. But he's a good actor. I'm sad Sam isn't coming back, but I have my hopes.
+BioZero216
I always liked Sam because Sam fit shirou
But oh my god Bryce ruined the dub outright for me
Liam not being there makes me sad too but atleast the person they used was alright for the character
+BioZero216 All I ask for is that Liam O'brien returns as Archer EMIYA
+BioZero216 i liked fate/stay night better in japanese but i prefer fate/zero in english.
It's weird hearing the original English dub version after watching the abridged version
UBW did the fight better. Here Shirou pretty much says, 'nuh-uh, shut up, Archer', rather than providing any meaningful refutation of his own future cynicism.
Xadhoom Xado I get what you are saying but I don't think it's portrayed in the way you interpret. A lot of this scene gets misread easily if you don't gather from all the series. Fate/Stay Night, Fate/Zero, UBW movie and UBW series all have little notes relating to Shirou's Ideals. The issue of this movie is it tries to capture a lot in a short span. I think it still comes across as the same idea however: Shirou is stubborn in his Ideals and because of that Archer let's him win. He doesn't win out of greater skill or power but more so Archer never intended to kill Shirou. Before you say he did think of these points. Every time in the series Shirou was about to be or is hurt by Archer he is either saved or has ability to escape. Even when wounded Archer could easily kill Shirou but chooses to hit him in non lethal areas. He has full understanding of Shirou's Healing factor and his Capabilities due to his class and his knowledge of Shirou. So it comes off as more of a defiant action in this scene but essentially it's Archer attempting to break Shirou's will and so preventing him from going down the same road. There's a lot of deep shot hinted and talked about in this series that people overlook. And what's cool is the hints and signs are there they just never come out and say it straight alot.
Urinal if you know the background info for Archer(Emiya), which you clearly do, your point is heavily strengthened. There is at absolutely no point, where Archer wasn't capable of killing Shirou. Even until last few seconds of his existence, Archer could have killed Shirou, but when the dust settled. When a stream of blood escaping his chest, he won. Archer won this battle, just as must as Shirou did.
Omega Fighter I simply love how much details they give to this series as a whole. There's so much missed if you only watch one of the stories or only watch stuff once.
Urinal I know right?! Would you have guessed Shirou being capable,at one point, of "defeating" Saber alter, in a one on one battle by watching or reading only the Unlimited Blade Works Route. I mean he doesn't kill her, but he defeats her. Unless he has rider help then Saber dies.
Plus there are characters that are introduced sorta in the beginning, but just disappear in.. well all path ways. Characters are just kinda forgotten about.
shirou had the stats and abilities of archer when he beat saber alter
Man, Liam was a beast as Archer but I guess Kaiji's version wasn't so bad either.
Any one knew that’s the same voice as Donatello (TMNT 2003)?
2:10 "The winner takes control of the bladeworks." You can't fight over a Reality Marble. That's not how it works. That line isn't remotely accurate... yet for some reason I like it. I really like it.
5:33 *snrk* I want to say that is horrible dialog for Shiou to say and that's it's vastly inferior to the sub... if it wasn't so in-character for him to say stupid shit like that.
the dub is a meme xD
"the winner takes control of the bladeworks"... The heroic spirit, shirou emiya. The line isn't bad. The winner lives to see the Grail war through, if only for a bit, becoming the true Shirou emiya. Be it the result of his failed ideals or the embodiment of those ideals, emiya will then be the only one in the world with the unlimited bladeworks. Shirou was fighting to overcome Archer and Archer was fighting to put down Shirou. It was more of a declaration of resolve.
Well since the reality marble is Emiya’s Shirou could take control of it - they’re the same spiritual existence. It happens in the UBW anime. Not sure about the VN though.
Although it probably is just supposed to sound cool.
So much hype this scene ! Emiya vs Archer ! I will always remember this
Archer's voice acting is really good, and it is even more incredible if compared to shirou's shitty voice.
Its cause that voice is Liam O Brien, who voiced Gaara in Naruto and Asura in Asura's wrath. He's pretty damn good for what he's voiced.
TheRunedEXP
He's also Illidan Stormrage.
REALLY?! I never would have guessed. That's awesome
There's nothing wrong with Sam Riegel's Shirou. It fits the character very well.
BioZero216 No it doesn't, and you know it,
Archer- *"Your life is a fantasy, you can't save everything!"*
Shirou- *"Your wrong and I'm right!!!"*
Archer- *"Ok... you win."*
That's what I felt about this fight.
If this movie was another 2hrs long, then they could have flesh it out more.
the Ufotable adaptation did it WAY better
The only reason to pick Deen over Ufotable is Archer's dubbed voice.
Why cant I find the ufotable version of this fight on youtube? :(
I prefer the depth of that version SO much more! There are a lot of points in there I want to hear again but can't find.
Sorry Shirou but Archer is absolutely right about you. It kind of sucks that Archer lost to be honest, because Shirou is wrong while the show seems to hammer that Shirou is right when he's so annoyingly naive and arrogant over his ideals. Archer IS Emiya, thus he naturally knows what awaits him and his ultimate betrayal. If anything Shirou thinks he can save everyone, yet it's painfully obivous he can't. He acts like some fariy tale hero, unable to face a plain reality. He's a child.
Archer let himself lose to Shirou.
in the original Fate route shirou becomes the hero he sought and lived for 300 years ultimately becoming the last true hero, thus his ranked Rose from normal people and which is why he was able to enter Avalon a place where True Heros slumber. and which is the only reason I hate all the other routes cuz they suck balls, almost a plot where I don't give a damn about the Main character cuz he's being a di*k and love interest are annoying as f***
I think this is one of my favorite Anime fights.
what do you think of the ufotable adaptation?
1:14-1:17 Saber says you killed people?
I SERIOUSLY doubt that's what the real translation is. Hell in FSN there are flash backs of saber on top of mountain of bodies that she killed. Saber acting like killing people is something new.
I'm pretty sure she is surprised that he killed people, not that to the fact killing people is surprising.
She's suprised that Shirou, in the future, would take someone's life without a second thought.
Since, in case you didn't understand, Archer is Emiya Shirou.
me fighting the person ruining my life
My original favorite fight was kirei vs kiritsugu because of the power and struggles they had as individuals. However I admire this fight much more because it was the quarrel of the pre destined hero and the tragic future he wants to change
Just wait for the UFOTABLE version.
I think the fact here is that both voice actors match up well in this. You can see Archer as an older version based on the voices. However the new voice actors do not match.
The subtitles around 2:16 shall never be forgotten.
Brian did great as archer, lots of emotion but after growing up with him as the voice of Gaara from Naruto it just feels weird to me hearing him as archer 😅
is that yusuke uremashi voice actor as shirou
This is obviously the Deen animation and honestly I'm kinda impressed. Also the va for archer in this route does pretty good in this scene
I only just realized Archer and Kain Highwind in Dissidia Final Fantasy have the same voice actor.
Also that main protag dude in Ergo Proxy (can't remember his name)
Grimoire Weiss from Nier too. At least, I think so.
its really interesting the future you trying to prevent the old you from doing something but the future you got beaten by the old you huh...
3:07 what!? the dub didnt even leave subs here? what a shotty product
Definitely one of my favorite two Anime fights ever, with the other one being Kiritsugu vs Kirei. I've watched Shounen Anime all my life, but these two fights top all of those fights imo.
what about to ufotable adaptation though?
@@trapova2483 That one IMO had too much redundancy, talking about the same shit over and over again, so much so that it sucks out the tension.
I feel really badly over the fact that I can't remember his name at the moment, however, if any of you have watched Naruto, Archer is voiced by the guy that did Gaara.
+Sim's With Friends Liam O'Brien
Thank you, I feel badly when I don't remember the names of voice actors.
There is nothing wrong with the dialogue, the inflection, or Gilgamesh. You're just throwing a tantrum because it's English and not Japanese.
ufotable might it done a better if not fantastic job at UBW but i still think this fight scene is WAY better then the one ufotable did in 2014.
they're both great fights but nothing tops the VNs fight scene for me
in this one
Shirou doesn't actually give any counter arguments
he's just like "Nuh uh, Archer you're wrong and i'm right."
while in Ufotable they didn't add the last fight outside of UBW
and they both didn't add the part where Shirou was so damaged that he barely was able to breathe
or speak
but still kept going
I'm The Bone Of My Sword
Steel il my body and fire is my blood
I have created over a thousand blades
Unknown to life.
+Dragon knigth omega nor know to death
+Liam James unlimited blade works
I was so looking forward to this fight in the adaptation's dub.......then the new Archer opened his mouth.....and I got really really fucking sad, but then I somewhat was ok with it..............then I heard Kirito open his mouth and I flipped a fucking table
Is it weird I enjoy this fight dubbed rather than the dubbed TV version?
+TheDeathWombat Where is this episode from?! It's not from the original fate stay/night, or Ufotable's unlimited blade works. Is there another unlimited blade works?
the movie made by the people who made the original FSN anime. this was rushed to, but I still love the hell out of this fight
I sort of cut myself due to kirito coming out of shirou's mouth
I think the newer fight’s dub was fine. Sure Shirou is voiced by Kirito, so what? I think he did his job (and Archer’s VA as well) and portrayed the character to t best of their ability. TBH the lines in the old dub half the time made no sense like “I don’t care if my body is made of swords!” or a better example of lines like an “EPic Spirit EMIYA”... the dialogue was not very accurate to the source material in DEEN.
2:24 That beef.....
Oohh so this is from the movie
Also I love how Archer tells Shirou that his swordsmanship is nowhere close to his, but compared to Sabers swordsmanship your both trash
I can't decide who I like more as archer
O'Brien
or Tang
no way, .. Gilgamesh sounds like a punk...
they all sounded good exept for the best character in the show... WTF
Admittedly I don't think ANY voice fits Gilgamesh apart from Tomokazu Seki's. I see Gilgamesh and that voice just instantly springs to mind
Aaron Archer David Vincent's delivery in Fate/Zero's dub is brilliant though
Welp I can't get into the Japanese voices of Fate other than Shiro and Archer really (Archer cause he's Daiki Aomine and I love that voice). Knowing that Saber sounds like Celty Sturluson and Raine Sage in English made her that damn cooler. I love Kari Wahlgren and Michelle Ruff both but Kari's voice fits her so well I can't really accept anything else lol
Also, I feel like Troy Baker would play a perfect Archer, but I won't complain about Liam O'Brien doing it.
And I'm glad you aren't just bagging on something cause you prefer something else. TH-cam needs more people like you.
I hate to say it because I love Liam O’Brien, but I have to say that I prefer the new voice for Archer. It feels more fitting to me.
The dub was fine but then suddenly, Gilgamesh
AznHoboOVER9000 his new dub is definitely better than the original. Funnily enough the guy who voices him here (Grant George) plays Lancer in Fate Zero.
His new voice in Zero and UBW is the original voice for Assassin in FSN.
actually Archer used too much mana using the blade work so many times before fight shirou and he has no master since Caster gone so he couldnt recover his mana and a servent without a master shouldnt be able to even materialize himself in real world but he could do that even without a master using his own mana so Archer probably was the servant with most powerful mana in this war of the grail .
He actually had a trait that let him act without a master's mana, lvl B if i recall right, that traits name is independent action. Gilgamesh had that trait but lvl A+.
Better than the new one
So anyone else think this shirou is the archer in rings route seeing as here he's using archers weapons but archers not
how weak must archer have been to lose to a human
He wanted to lose...
The blade works can only have one master,and the title can only be taken by force.
So he baited his past self into killing him so he can be free.
+mackybell14
The description of the English dub makes no sense. UBW is a Reality Marble, a manifestation of one's soul that forces the outer world and inner world to switch position. There isn't a single owner, as Shirou and Archer are already two different people with their inner world having a different landscape and ideal.
Archer planned to kill Shirou, but the fight between them wasn't about clashes of swords and projections, but of ideals. One who will never regret his path and desires the happiness of everyone, the other who became a hero by killing thousands to save thousands of thousands and in the end became bitter about his choice. It is a battle of will and the first one to falter in determination loses.
Archer, even if weakened due to using too much prana without a Master, is still far stronger than a human and Shirou barely matched him. The reason Archer lost at the end was because upon seeing Shirou's eyes, the will of never giving up and the determination he had upon receiving Kiritsugu's ideals during a certain night, he remembered the pure emotions he possessed at that time and how he promised himself that as long as he believed in himself, he wouldn't fall in despair despite the paradox of saving everyone.
Shirou, differently from Archer, has never given up about his ideals and has thus won the battle of wills. Archer falters despite his advantage in the battle. At a point, Shirou loses his skills acquired by close contact with his future self and reverts to his normal ones. His attacks are reckless, his movements slow and his skills mediocre, but the ideal he holds in himself is the strongest. Archer sees that and loses against Emiya Shirou.
Saber's voice actor is the same as rukia. That is funny.
5:04 I love archer man and saber so cute
Archer could have killed himself pretty easily if he tried 😂😂
This is old school shit
oh hey Yasuo is actually a heroic spirit, who knew
huh the captions are very weird indeed
Deen-Childrens version
Ufotable-Adult version.
Despite this adaptation being pretty mediocre the voice acting in this dub was very good
Recke Can you reload this video in higher-quality please ?
I'm not asking you to delete this video I'm just asking if you can upload another one but with higher quality.
***** I agree i like archer's voice in this as well
"epic spirit" *Facepalm* no that's not the bloody term
I choked when I heard Gligameshs voice. Fuck, it's so weird and out of place X,,D my god. He sounds like Jaden from Yugioh GX X"""D Gilgamesh doesn't sound like a douche, but rather he sounds like a hyped up generic main character X""D
If only they had david Vincent back then
I am the Bone of my Sword
Govorish Recke can you upload the full fight of shirou vs gilgamesh from unlimited blade works movie in english dub?
This movie been up to 8 years because this shit is old as fuck
Fate UBW, one of my best Fight Scenes, compare to first Series in 2006,, thats all,,😄
Archer was Illidan Stormrage all this time??
Oh god, they mangled the dialogue... and the voice actors get the inflection wrong... and WTF DID THEY DO TO GILGAMESH?!?
*RiGtH wIlL aLwAyS dEfEaTs WrOnG*
Unlimited blade works dub > whatever the fuck this is.
Honestly, I kinda preferred the amount of energy and passion in Liam O'Brien's dialogue here.
In my humble opinion, the new "UBW" dub feels a bit too... transliterated. As in, word-for-word translated from the Japanese, which isn't always a good thing because some lines that sound cool in Japanese just don't have the same amount of gravitas as they do in English.
The new show definitely has more development time because it's built more like a sequel to "Fate/Zero", which definitely works in its favour at times, but I still think the dialogue is a bit less snappier than that in the movie.
Samven The Voice acting in the original fate stay night is Sailor moon tier, the voice acting and the entire script fell like they're built for the purpose of over dramatization, It's sounds so cheesy and forced it's cringe worthy. The UBW dub sounds and feels magnitudes more natural.
I have not seen "Sailor Moon" at all so I cannot comment there. As for the "UBW" show sounding more natural than the movie... eh, agree to disagree. It's less melodramatic, true, but there are still plenty of scenes that make me think, "Something tells me this was a word-for-word translation."
O'Brien is definitely more over-the-top than Tang, that much is true, but I actually prefer some of the pragmatic changes to his dialogue. I dunno, it just feels a bit snappier and his smug tone of voice during the snarkier lines feels more like he's so totally done with all of this, which is sorta what Archer should sound like in my humble opinion. But, of course, that's just my opinion.
in this Saber's voice actor is Kate Higgins right ??
someone tell Me
what version is this? I found someone a different version with archer having a different voice actor
DEEN version. It's from the Fate movie in 2010
where can I download the 480p or the 720p version ?
The voice acting is great, but the script is awful.
The English dub isn't that terrible but I really prefer the Japanese version
The story of this is 100% better than the fate stay night UBW2015. They kinda make these part looks kinda redundant and somewhat pretentious.
shirou emiya
Class archer
The Ufotable version is so much better.
Andrew Johnson I agree but this one wasn't bad. This fight was probably the only saving grace of a mediocre movie. Even if the quality of this fight wasn't as good as the ufotable version, it still conveys the intense emotions and ideals possessed by the characters.