As a dodger fan even i have to admit this whole situation makes this recent nationals world series win one of the most impressive things ive seen. Beating a cheating team at their home.
Dodger fan but don't care for baseball over yet cheating in any sport is cheap, this they must pay the devil for this act. Even less reason to watch anyone but the Dodgers. I couldn't figure out how they lost twice.
Agreed! I'm not even mad about the Yankees losing. They still played Houston well and beating them would have been such a great F you. I wanted that so bad.
@Ron Gillespie that's not an opinion it's a fact. Red Sox used the apple watches, Yankees used the YES cameras. The Astros just far and away showed the most cheating prowess as a unit
From The Public True except for all players used drugs. There were more players playing clean who were furious when the steroid users came to light. As a life long Cubs fan realizing Sammy Sosa was juiced up about killed me.
H L exactly, it’s not like they don’t have the strength and technique to get the ball out to the stand. Steroids does help a little but knowing what was coming can’t be beat
The more I think about it, the more I realize this might be the biggest scandal to ever hit MLB. This altered careers: Girardi got fired, Kershaw’s career took a dive, the Yankees went out and spent $$ on pitchers thinking theirs wasn’t good enough, guys were traded, etc. Then Alex Cora gets the job with that Sox and does the same thing. Same result. Cora should be banned for life and those players should also receive suspensions
Yea I have great respect for them now because despite all the odds being against them they pulled through and beat that sorry excuse for a baseball team. Honestly the astros should be embarrassed
I believe the Nationals knew what they (the Astros) were doing and countered it. The Nats won every away game in the series and probably knew when they heard the banging to change it up.
Captain Q-Ball the Dodgers warned someone on that Nats squad prior to Game 1 of the WS that there was something going on in Houston. They definitely mixed their signs up and became baseballs greatest heroes
I think stripping titles is a meaningless endeavor. I saw those Fab 5 games. I saw those victories even if the NCAA says they don't exist. I saw Penn State win football games and bowl games even if the NCAA say they don't exist. I saw Barry Bonds hit those homeruns. We as people know these events happened. The players and the sports world around them celebrated. The casinos paid out winners and took money from losers. Stripping titles is lame. Just fix the issues we know exist and prevent them from happening in the future.
Marcos Gonzalez Astros had a camera that could see the opponents catcher’s sign signals. They used that camera during the game they would secretly communicate to the batter letting them know for example a slider was coming in or a change up
Yankees also almost beat them. Yanks were up 3-2 in that ALCS. But then games 6 and 7 were in Houston. Hmm 🤔sounds to me like the Astros wouldn't even made it to the world series that year if not for the cheating.
What I’m saying is, First Take rarely y’all about anything other than football or basketball unless it involves a death, a scandal, etc. They debate about what’s popular, and it doesn’t include all sports
Mcmuffin 16 dude. I was devastated to the point of tears. I’ve waited all my 35 years to see my dodgers win and when we had it, it was cheated from us. Literally, good guys finish last
How about Yankee fan whining about cheating?. Hilarious. In the late 90s early 2000s they fielded the HOF of Roids team! . The Murderers Row of PEDs. Lol. Topped off by the Poster Boy himself, Jose Conseco! The sanctimonious attitudes and hypocrisy of MLB is worse than the scandals themselves ... Plus the Yanks have a sign stealing issue of their own..let's see if the old men that run this outdated sham of a sport discipline the Yankees ..
The stats make it obvious, the difference between 1st and 2nd in batting average is typically under 5 points. In 2017 Houston had a 10 point margin over 2nd place and added 40 points to their team batting average in 1 season probably with most of the same guys, a statistician would have noticed they broke multiple records in that season. I suspect the differential between their home and away average is a record what will never be broken.
@@mykofreder1682 Jose Altuve (2017 AL MVP) had a nearly .450 batting average at home while batting a little over .180 on the road. The disparities between his home and away OBP and SP are up there as well. Not only should the Astros be stripped of the 2017 WS title, but Altuve should be stripped of his 2017 AL MVP as well.
Soooo can we all admit that the Pete Rose thing was a bit of an overreaction and forgive him already. This is so much worse and the punishments are gonna be less severe.
Not even close!!!! Rose gambled on his team while as a player and a COACH. Then he proceeded to denied to gambling for YEARS only to admit to it in his own book. That was too make more MONEY for him....Pete should of just came out and admitted he gambled. He would be welcomed back after the dust settled. But instead he made accusations against the MLB and the top brass, instead of just owning his mistake. In his autobiography My Prison Without Bars, published by Rodale Press on January 8, 2004, Rose finally admitted publicly to betting on baseball games and other sports while playing for and managing the Reds. He also admitted to betting on Reds games, but said he never bet against the Reds. But he never bet against the Reds.....says the guy who lied and lied lol
Adam A ok but self enrichment isn’t cheating . Sure he might be a money hungry add head but that doesn’t affect the way the game is played . Astros literally cheated . Cheated the game of baseball to their advantage
Rose and McGuire will never get in. Barry bonds and Sammy Sosa. Steroids hgh is technology. U don't need to steal signs. Altuve wouldn't need to steal signs if he was on a qualude of growth hormones. Pete rose took them he was very close friends with Lou furrigno
eoe123321 makes perfect sense. MLB has known about this since 2017 but a scandal this big, you can’t just go out and blame people. They’ve had investigations going along with leads given by other teams players. The only reason it’s barely becoming a big deal is because Jomboy put the whole situation on blast putting pressure on the MLB to act to avoid backlash. To me it seems like common sense when it comes to business. You’re probably just stuck in your own world, don’t keep up and feel entitled to comment.
Yep. Off the top of my head I recall the University of Minnesota had to forfeit their 1997 Final Four basketball appearance after it was deemed a couple players failed exams and were helped by an administrator. Final Four banners at Williams Arena? Gone. All history of them playing in the Final Four? Gone. The Astros should have their pennants taken down, and MLB should not list a champion for that season. That empty spot will be a reminder for teams in the future.
The I.O.C. would like to have a word with you, Max-they’ve been doing that EXACT same thing for well over 30 years, now. And quite frankly, I think it’s high time other professional sports leagues around the world followed in their footsteps, both in letter and spirit. :P
ESPN talking about baseball?? What alternate universe is this 😂😂😂 EDIT: wow didn't expect this to blow up PS: don't really follow baseball as closely, just surprised to see a segment about it
J-876 King from what I heard MLB Did some contract where only they have the rights to produce it. You can look it up I don’t know the details but you never see clips of baseball on TH-cam. Which is kinda said cause I would like to be able to see those games and become a part of the fandom
Yeah I'm a NY fan but if they strip titles its gotta go to LAD or nobody. I'd actually prefer no champion 2017 - let the history books really show the stain on the sport that year. Not because I'm against the Dodgers getting it at all. We need something drastic to truly put an end to this
@@22th_era Houston tainted baseball so much. It's going to be years of world series losing teams' fans accusing the winner of cheating every single year. For a while
Nerd Of Steel plus, to Max’s point, you can’t definitively say that another team would’ve have won it had the astros not cheated. Needs to be nobody that year
100% they should be stripped. There’s no glory at all in cheating and it completely defeats the purpose of the game. Their title is meaningless at this point so it should be stripped.
I Love Dev I think stripping the title would make a real clear example to all other 29 teams of what happens when you cheat hopefully helping to prevent a scandal on this scale happening again, definitely all in for it.
@@irishpanic I'm a diehard Dodgers fan...but I have to agree with you. One of the best all time regular season SP...but couldn't seem to play near as well in the playoffs. Sad....
H- TOWN facts! I didn’t get to see him play my grandpa is the reason I’m such a big reds fan I still remember watching his highlights on vhs tapes back in the day won’t see another guy play the game like him
When I lived in Houston (60's-80's) The Astrodome had a trick of blowing the HUGE air conditioner fans towards the infield when the other team was up to bat. And, then blow the fans toward the outfield when the Astros were up to bat. Astros cheating? Nothing new at all! LoL
Everybody’s trolling them calling them the “HOUSTON asterisks” lol they probably deserve it. This is a pretty huge scandal. The players are lucky that they skated on this. Because everyone has said that Cora ran this thing with the players
Never Around actually you are wrong. Back then everyone was rooting for a Astros Dodgers WS after the Astros acquired justin verlander who was unstoppable
What the Astro did was essentially like sticking a microphone underneath the opposing bench in an NBA game and have someone listen to what plays they are drawing up. I don't understand why the players have 0 consequences when they are the ones started it, continued it, and benefited the most out of it.
Not really, Basketball is Different because The Defense Allways knows the Offensive Plays and every play has 2 or more counters. In Baseball you can't simply change the pitch or location once the ball is thrown, this is closer to a War scene where your enemy knows where your attacking, The Exact time, place, and with how many Soldiers. It's like being put in a Trap.
NCAA has a monopoly on college sports. MLB is different. Unions are involved. People OWN the teams. It’s just different and not as easy to accomplish. Asterisks and shaming those involved are really all you can do.
@@stephencook1004 Puhleeze. The media is never careful when it comes to allegations. Especially in today's world. The last few years they have repeatedly assassinated people's character over allegations that were not proven yet.
Stephen Cook there was audio proof of them banging on trash cans every time an off speed pitch was about to be thrown. The MLB didn’t need to confirm it
Dodgers cheated too, and every person in H-town knows it! We actually care about baseball not the mainstream sports media bs that y’all drool over! The Astros were just playing to how everyone around them were!
@@jordans9303 They stopped banging on trashcans in AUGUST, but that doesn't mean they stopped cheating. It's more likely they started doing it differently because a White Sox pitcher caught them.
Daniel Dahlinger I think you need to watch it again. What you quoted never was said in response to molly. He said “exactly” responding to Max’s point before adding on saying “number 2”
@@secretpersond8324 Probably not, but I like the formality of them officially being banned for life. That way it will leave a lasting smear on their name rather than allowing them to quietly fade into obscurity.
@@cooljhags7356 bye, have fun supporting a team that's unethical and created a world of corrupt front offices (remember that the Rangers, Red Sox, Orioles and Mets have personnel running their teams)
Chronic Blast what do you mean choked? I don’t get how you’re missing the point, I think everyone now realizes that 2017 series would have gone differently had not the Astros cheated. The Astros literally tarnished the careers of players like Darvish and Kershaw because of it. This is bad for baseball all around
Couldn’t have said it better! If a baseball player ever tells you they’ve never tried to sneak a peak at the catchers signs they would be lying to your face, but to install technology to steal signs is completely insane!!
2017 Astro's World Series tainted. 2018 Red Sox's World Series tainted. But Bonds was a 30/30 guy long before the accusations. Going back to UC Riverside.
First Take was always on when I got home from class in college and I remember getting annoyed by Stephen A. Smith. Now I find myself agreeing with him and getting annoyed by Kellerman. What a change. Haha
Solution: strip the cheating astros from the title and have a one game between the Dodgers and Yankees to determine the championship...plus re-enstate Pete Rose from being banned fr4om the MLB!!
lululuis93 the New England patriots have never done anything approaching this lol. What’s the worst Patriots scandal, Spygate? Not even close to this, filming other teams defensive signals which are easily visible to everyone vs filming something visible to everyone except the batter. The only guy who can’t know the signs is the batter. When he does it changes the whole game
@TheLocalLt ... Honestly, notice how he didnt mention the saints bounty hunt. The saints hurt star players to end their season no one bats an eye, but pats miss ball psi by 1-2 everyone goes mad.
Uh, not entirely. No one knew this They only have what is given to them, just like us. No one expected THIS kind of Blockbuster news. The MLB kept it under wraps until they have proof.
@@beastyboy101bo Has nothing to do with bias because they talked further about what he's talking abuot in the full show, he's complaining about the youtube clip being cut short and it's because they have to cram the segment into a 7minute video for whatever reason.
@Jon Dough you missed the point. It's a valid hyperbolic (to get his point) analogy concerning consistency between right and wrong. The commenter's calling out people who like to pick and choose what they deem wrong out of bias.
Istvan De Jesús A war general knows he’s doing something he’s not, his army knows it’s wrong but still have to follow orders. Do they fire they the whole army and the general? No just the general who led them.
Good luck to you my friend when your are face with a decision in wich you have to weather go with your ideals and convictions or obey your “superiors”. You have a choice. God bless!!!
No because the Pats did nothing wrong watch the experiment they did on ESPN where they put football's in a freezer at the same temperature as the game that night. Pats stripped:no Astros: yes
nah, ESPN is all NFL/NBA all the time. There are no other sports. When I was growing up ESPN included Hockey in their top plays and MLB was a major part of the network....
It's not the same at all. This was premeditated cheating, and everyone (players, coaches, GM) was aware of it, and there's 10 times as much evidence than there was with the Patriots. Not even close to the same my man lol
As a dodger fan even i have to admit this whole situation makes this recent nationals world series win one of the most impressive things ive seen. Beating a cheating team at their home.
Dodger fan but don't care for baseball over yet cheating in any sport is cheap, this they must pay the devil for this act. Even less reason to watch anyone but the Dodgers. I couldn't figure out how they lost twice.
Agreed! I'm not even mad about the Yankees losing. They still played Houston well and beating them would have been such a great F you. I wanted that so bad.
@Ron Gillespie that's not an opinion it's a fact. Red Sox used the apple watches, Yankees used the YES cameras. The Astros just far and away showed the most cheating prowess as a unit
@@krcjayhawks agreed - Alex Cora didn't invent this idea, all teams had their methods, just as all players used drugs.
From The Public True except for all players used drugs. There were more players playing clean who were furious when the steroid users came to light. As a life long Cubs fan realizing Sammy Sosa was juiced up about killed me.
Dodger Pitcher Alex Wood Tweeted: "I'd rather face a guy on steroids than one who knows what pitches I'm going to throw."
Steven Meinking - thats dumb, he still going to get hit!!
steroids or not, an MLB player can make the ball go over the fence anyway if he hits it right
they're professionals they have hyped muscles
H L exactly, it’s not like they don’t have the strength and technique to get the ball out to the stand. Steroids does help a little but knowing what was coming can’t be beat
And every pro pitcher would agree with him.
I rather let Pete Rose play than allowing AJ Hinch and Jeff Luhnow stealing signs
This may be too soon...... But I can’t wait for this 30for30
Facts !!! Taking the day off for this 1
@@kaibiandaly5166 Patriots should have one for their YEARS of cheating
“ What if I told you....”
Thatz Factz...Waaaow great piont🤔💭✌30 for 30 thatz goooooing to destroy the astroz...If and when espn CLAPZ AT HOUSTON FOR THAT...
That 30 for 30 is going to win awards
I’m glad all fans of baseball can unite over two things:
1. A love for the game
2. A strong hatred for the Astros
Everybody loves the Astros
@@michaelpeng9993 not anymore lol
@@michaelpeng9993 Astros are easily the most hated team in Baseball right now! Slightly beating out the Yankees and Dodgers.
@@MagicalBread wait till the astros head to Yankee and Dodger stadium.
@@V1dW4tcher it’s the day! I hope the yanks blow them bums out
Choose one: “Fly under the radar” or “Swept under the rug”
Stephen A: Fly under the rug
D F swept under the radar
More like fly on the wall
Both is better it adds to the hyperbole. 😂
this should 5000 likes
Well, lets make it happen!
When Stephen A’s talking, Max and Molly on their computer like they next up for class presentation.
varghese86 glad I wasn’t the only one to notice
That is always the case.
Stephen A doing the same thing when Max is talking
The Irishpanic To be fair Max doesn’t really know what he is a talking about though, according to him Brady was done 5 years ago.
@@-raist yeah I know. He's an idiot
The more I think about it, the more I realize this might be the biggest scandal to ever hit MLB. This altered careers: Girardi got fired, Kershaw’s career took a dive, the Yankees went out and spent $$ on pitchers thinking theirs wasn’t good enough, guys were traded, etc. Then Alex Cora gets the job with that Sox and does the same thing. Same result. Cora should be banned for life and those players should also receive suspensions
Kershaw has always choked in the post season since 2013. He is A LOSER AGAIN
you can add “the Orioles hire Mike Elias” to that list. I’m now skeptical of this entire rebuild
@Tom Krohn using someone else's riches and fame to flex on someone seems weird
To be fair, the Yankees would've gotten Cole regardless of this
@@dantesuguitanjr2629 not that series takes trash cans and technology to beat him.
Imagine cheating and still losing in seven with home field advantage to a wild card team in the World Series😂
Alex Padin Go Natties
Yea I have great respect for them now because despite all the odds being against them they pulled through and beat that sorry excuse for a baseball team. Honestly the astros should be embarrassed
I believe the Nationals knew what they (the Astros) were doing and countered it. The Nats won every away game in the series and probably knew when they heard the banging to change it up.
Captain Q-Ball the Dodgers warned someone on that Nats squad prior to Game 1 of the WS that there was something going on in Houston. They definitely mixed their signs up and became baseballs greatest heroes
they were cheating in 2019 there was just whistling
Cheaters don’t deserve World Series crown if they have to cheat that’s a L ( BTW I don’t watch baseball)
Then why those steroidsrecords still standing? 😂
@@cesco1990 cause everyone was on steroids dumb dumb
So every team that won a World Series during the 90s and early 2000s should be stripped?
I think stripping titles is a meaningless endeavor. I saw those Fab 5 games. I saw those victories even if the NCAA says they don't exist. I saw Penn State win football games and bowl games even if the NCAA say they don't exist. I saw Barry Bonds hit those homeruns. We as people know these events happened. The players and the sports world around them celebrated. The casinos paid out winners and took money from losers. Stripping titles is lame. Just fix the issues we know exist and prevent them from happening in the future.
The Goat so that makes it okay ? Weirdo 😂😂😂
“The bench coach was probably aware of it” the bench coach orchestrated the whole thing😂
doesn't the MLB put a third party in the dugout to make sure this doesn't happen tho?
Mr. Matt I believe they just started implementing that this past season. I could be wrong tho
Mr. Matt it started 2018
@charles allan that is the worst idea possible
@@MrMatt713 what does the third party do in the dugout?
*Anything happens in Houston sports
ESPN: *HOUSTON WE HAVE A PROBLEM*
This time Houston IS the problem though.
It’s low hanging fruit, don’t blame them for taking it
Medipix lmao that’s the funny part 💀💀
Everything is bigger in Texas
ESPN film present: 30 for 30 “Camera in the outfield.”
😂😂😂
The Houston Asterisks.
"Field of Schemes" you heard it here first LOL!
How about “agents in the outfield”
"Asterisk".
They cheated so bad and dodgers still almost beat them😂
The Yankees almost beat them as well. It came down to Game 7 in the ALCS for the Astros to get past New York.
Jackson Stevens I don’t understand what did they do?
Marcos Gonzalez Astros had a camera that could see the opponents catcher’s sign signals. They used that camera during the game they would secretly communicate to the batter letting them know for example a slider was coming in or a change up
🙄
Yankees also almost beat them. Yanks were up 3-2 in that ALCS. But then games 6 and 7 were in Houston. Hmm 🤔sounds to me like the Astros wouldn't even made it to the world series that year if not for the cheating.
Alex Cora's Career is over, and the Astros have gone from a very likable team to one of the most hated.
I think theyd have to be far and away the most hated team at this point
Pretty Much.
I think your right
Not sure how they were ever likable you could smell the arrogance from that team as soon as they walked in.
Reminded me of Golden State before Durant joined. They went from loved to hated in a flip of the switch.
This makes me so happy that the Nationals beat them in 2019
As a Dodgers fan . Once I saw that you guys got the WS all I wanted was you guys to beat them and boy am I glad you did
@@eddiesanchez551 go LAKERS
Nats had cameras installed in center field shortly after the 2018 season. Coincidentally win in 2019? Hmm... 🤔
@@AlexHernandez-wj5zu Nats definitely cheated
@@chadscott8733 how do the cameras help?
I’m surprised that First Take is talking about baseball
TheMan750 it’s the biggest thing in sports rn besides the super bowl of course they would lmao
@@swipa3681 baseball sucks
Spacely Hendrix it’s just like basketball which everyone knows is a scripted sport
What I’m saying is, First Take rarely y’all about anything other than football or basketball unless it involves a death, a scandal, etc. They debate about what’s popular, and it doesn’t include all sports
@ALF Raydough That's why I watch those sports. Although baseball is getting more hispanical.
Astros 2017: Houston, we have landed
Astros 2020: Houston, we have a problem
lololololololol ol the news about the astros cheating came out months ago so actually Houston would’ve had the problem in 2019
@@Master-vh2wm They're gonna have major problems in 2020
They were cheating in 2017. 🤣🤣🤣
U gota problem.
I should be able to sue the Astros for emotional damage as a Dodgers fan.
Emotional stress is a lawsuit. Get everyone you know
This is a rare instance when Yankees & Dodgers fans might team up, since both teams were screwed by Astros in seven-game series'.
Powerful & underrated comment
In fairness, you should probably sue the Dodgers for that.
Mcmuffin 16 dude. I was devastated to the point of tears. I’ve waited all my 35 years to see my dodgers win and when we had it, it was cheated from us. Literally, good guys finish last
And the dodgers still took em to game 7
S1L3NT 13 where they lost.... at home.... 5-1....
@Jamie Thomas, would there had been a need for game 7 if the Astros didn’t cheat?
Jamie Thomas i was there for game 6 n they lost cus da lastros cheated
semperfratdelis the Astros beat them in game 2 on the road too 🤷🏾♂️
S1L3NT 13 the Dodgers won game 6 stop lying. Just take the L and move on
"How many asterisks are we gonna have in baseball?"
As many as there are cases of proven cheating I'd assume
How about Yankee fan whining about cheating?. Hilarious. In the late 90s early 2000s they fielded the HOF of Roids team! . The Murderers Row of PEDs. Lol. Topped off by the Poster Boy himself, Jose Conseco! The sanctimonious attitudes and hypocrisy of MLB is worse than the scandals themselves ... Plus the Yanks have a sign stealing issue of their own..let's see if the old men that run this outdated sham of a sport discipline the Yankees ..
The stats make it obvious, the difference between 1st and 2nd in batting average is typically under 5 points. In 2017 Houston had a 10 point margin over 2nd place and added 40 points to their team batting average in 1 season probably with most of the same guys, a statistician would have noticed they broke multiple records in that season. I suspect the differential between their home and away average is a record what will never be broken.
@@mykofreder1682 Jose Altuve (2017 AL MVP) had a nearly .450 batting average at home while batting a little over .180 on the road. The disparities between his home and away OBP and SP are up there as well. Not only should the Astros be stripped of the 2017 WS title, but Altuve should be stripped of his 2017 AL MVP as well.
lol..true
Organized sport isn’t rigged...
Soooo can we all admit that the Pete Rose thing was a bit of an overreaction and forgive him already. This is so much worse and the punishments are gonna be less severe.
Not even close!!!! Rose gambled on his team while as a player and a COACH. Then he proceeded to denied to gambling for YEARS only to admit to it in his own book. That was too make more MONEY for him....Pete should of just came out and admitted he gambled. He would be welcomed back after the dust settled. But instead he made accusations against the MLB and the top brass, instead of just owning his mistake.
In his autobiography My Prison Without Bars, published by Rodale Press on January 8, 2004, Rose finally admitted publicly to betting on baseball games and other sports while playing for and managing the Reds. He also admitted to betting on Reds games, but said he never bet against the Reds.
But he never bet against the Reds.....says the guy who lied and lied lol
Adam A ok but self enrichment isn’t cheating . Sure he might be a money hungry add head but that doesn’t affect the way the game is played . Astros literally cheated . Cheated the game of baseball to their advantage
Adam A he bet on himself winning because he is a winner
Rose and McGuire will never get in. Barry bonds and Sammy Sosa. Steroids hgh is technology. U don't need to steal signs. Altuve wouldn't need to steal signs if he was on a qualude of growth hormones. Pete rose took them he was very close friends with Lou furrigno
Mike Tanzi nope he is just as bad. Pete was manipulating the game for his pockets. Overreaction because he is white lol.
Imagine if this was discovered during the world series that would be insane
It probably definitely would've been stripped and its a Yankees vs Dodgers World Series redo in the Winter. 😅😅
it probably was
eoe123321 Somebody must’ve stepped on some toes
eoe123321 makes perfect sense. MLB has known about this since 2017 but a scandal this big, you can’t just go out and blame people. They’ve had investigations going along with leads given by other teams players. The only reason it’s barely becoming a big deal is because Jomboy put the whole situation on blast putting pressure on the MLB to act to avoid backlash. To me it seems like common sense when it comes to business. You’re probably just stuck in your own world, don’t keep up and feel entitled to comment.
they probably couldnt just accuse the team fro cheating before making sure they investigated the case well with a good amount of evidence
Max: you cant vacate a title
NCAA: oh really? Watch this..
Gabriel Murphy they stripped usc of the title on 04 I believe
Yep. Off the top of my head I recall the University of Minnesota had to forfeit their 1997 Final Four basketball appearance after it was deemed a couple players failed exams and were helped by an administrator. Final Four banners at Williams Arena? Gone. All history of them playing in the Final Four? Gone. The Astros should have their pennants taken down, and MLB should not list a champion for that season. That empty spot will be a reminder for teams in the future.
Evan Thomas 2002 Miami Hurricanes got robbed in the national championship game vs Ohio State but that was cuz refs
Memphis with d rose too pretty sure for their final four appearance
The I.O.C. would like to have a word with you, Max-they’ve been doing that EXACT same thing for well over 30 years, now. And quite frankly, I think it’s high time other professional sports leagues around the world followed in their footsteps, both in letter and spirit. :P
The only person that has plausible deniability here is the owner. There’s no way anyone in the dugout didn’t know.
ESPN talking about baseball??
What alternate universe is this 😂😂😂
EDIT: wow didn't expect this to blow up
PS: don't really follow baseball as closely, just surprised to see a segment about it
J-876 King they can talk about it but I don’t think they can show clips
@@JoseRodriguez-kw9ez say word, is there like some exclusive rights by the MLB Network or something?
Yeah, i'm already sick of it
J-876 King from what I heard MLB Did some contract where only they have the rights to produce it. You can look it up I don’t know the details but you never see clips of baseball on TH-cam. Which is kinda said cause I would like to be able to see those games and become a part of the fandom
Lol the first comment is exactly what I was looking for. It's unbelievable.
Judge: you have 2 years on your sentence
6ix9ine: what if i told how the astros cheated?
Judge: proceed...
jason v 😂😂 this had to be expected
Shits old now
Booooooo
😂😂😂😂
Hahahaha
1919: Black Sox Scandal.
2019: Houston Astros scandal.
BrandonDetroitfan Michaels the black Sox scandal is legendary. I don’t blame the players at all
@@ricardodiaz8612 I do cause a lot of players took that money
K Adams gotta Secure the bag
I wonder if we'll see an Astros cheating scandal movie. We haven't had a good baseball movie in years.
There was no proof in the black Sox case. Different story here.
As a Dodgers fan I feel for the Yankees fans as well this shouldn’t had happened
Yeah I'm a NY fan but if they strip titles its gotta go to LAD or nobody. I'd actually prefer no champion 2017 - let the history books really show the stain on the sport that year. Not because I'm against the Dodgers getting it at all. We need something drastic to truly put an end to this
Kevin Coggins I agree with you I think it should be vacated to show other teams the consequences of cheating
@@22th_era Houston tainted baseball so much. It's going to be years of world series losing teams' fans accusing the winner of cheating every single year. For a while
Nerd Of Steel I feel bad for you your team essentially got cheated twice
Nerd Of Steel plus, to Max’s point, you can’t definitively say that another team would’ve have won it had the astros not cheated. Needs to be nobody that year
Just Call Them The Houston Asterisks* 😂
Edward Gutierrez okay
Edward Gutierrez Nah y’all can say what y’all want just remember Astros still 2017 Champs can’t take that away buddy
Asterisks? Cheaters.
@@cooljhags7356 that makes you happy that your team cheated to win their first and only title.
B Noone Nah Astros will win more titles this is the one of many titles buddy so move on and hope your team wins this decade
100% they should be stripped.
There’s no glory at all in cheating and it completely defeats the purpose of the game. Their title is meaningless at this point so it should be stripped.
Yeah but they def dont want a court battle with the players union that's gonna be huge especially with the contract looming
I Love Dev I think stripping the title would make a real clear example to all other 29 teams of what happens when you cheat hopefully helping to prevent a scandal on this scale happening again, definitely all in for it.
MLB Commissioner: We Can't Vacate a Championship Title. It doesn't happen.
NCAA President: Hold my complimentary, luxury box cocktail.
Amazing
I agree
Yeah...Ask Rick Pitino and Louisville..
Ask Lance Armstrong if they can take away titles....
I mean it's stupid when the NCAA does it too.
Change their name from the Houston Astros to the Houston Asterisks.
This was cheating in the highest form.
Every team cheats, its just if you get caught.
No. The perfect name is the Houston TRASTROS!!!! And the punishment is 1. Title 2. Form B.C.A. "Baseball Cheating Anonymous"
I've been calling them that since the scandal was made public.
I think it's fair to say the Dodgers got robbed.
And every AL team the Astros beat
I was just talking about the world series, but yes the Yankees and the rest of the AL were cheated too.
@jjcampbell80 how were we cheating with Beltran again? Lmao hi hater
@jjcampbell80 I don't care to see or hear anything your cheater has to say internet tough guy.
Matt R Bingo!
Dodgers: “We knew it!”
Clayton Kershaw: “ 😡 “.
Kershaw been blowing leads since before and after that series tho
@@irishpanic facts
@@irishpanic I'm a diehard Dodgers fan...but I have to agree with you. One of the best all time regular season SP...but couldn't seem to play near as well in the playoffs. Sad....
The Irishpanic kershaw was playing amazing that year n that post season especially!
@@user-kw1uz3mf1j he was not amazing in that post season...nor any for that matter
Reinstate Pete rose this year he should be after this nonsense
Hey M.L.B.!
Leave Pete Rose alone !
He should have been reinstated and forced to apologize to MLB. I don't understand how hard that is
@@dantesuguitanjr2629 apologizing is for soy bois
Agree 1000%
H- TOWN facts! I didn’t get to see him play my grandpa is the reason I’m such a big reds fan I still remember watching his highlights on vhs tapes back in the day won’t see another guy play the game like him
When I lived in Houston (60's-80's) The Astrodome had a trick of blowing the HUGE air conditioner fans towards the infield when the other team was up to bat. And, then blow the fans toward the outfield when the Astros were up to bat.
Astros cheating? Nothing new at all! LoL
😂. That’s awesome 😂
To be fair all indoor based teams do this
Everybody’s trolling them calling them the “HOUSTON asterisks” lol they probably deserve it. This is a pretty huge scandal. The players are lucky that they skated on this. Because everyone has said that Cora ran this thing with the players
Man what's perfect name. I can see the logo. Just sub in an asterisk.
Astroisks is better
I'm just annoyed that because Cora was in on this, now Boston is also in danger of losing its WS title. What a mess
@@mfan981 ya cheaters too.
Lol nobody at all is calling them that
I can see trolls in Houston in trench coats and shades banging on trashcans in the OF seating before every pitch this season
March 30 at Oakland, this gotta happen...
I’m a rangers fan 😂 I’m doing this when I go
@@brandonespinoza2985 If I were in Houston I would be right there with you haha
Good luck getting a trash can in the park
as they should
I feel bad for the Dodgers they got screwed by the Astros and Red Sox
m s thank you my Yankees got fucked over
Sean Kelly: does this mean the Dodgers didnt choke?
New Profile Dodgers did choke they had the best record in baseball this year and got exposed in the playoffs
Reportedly they have had a similar system in place as well. Basically the most dominant teams in the sport have been involved in something like this.
@@matthewtatum5413 True. Makes one wonder though, who should be givem the 2017 Championship trophy now
Feels good to be a Nats fan.
Benjamin Blankenship y’all did good and deserve it
Maybe we haven't found out what they did
Chi-Sox fan here, congrats to the Nats. Beating cheating team is not an easy achievement
Nats went from .01% chance to champs!!!!
Facts
as a dodgers fan this makes me wayyyyyy more pissed than originally 🤬🤬😡
I'm an angel fan and I feel ya
KINGG bro we deserve that title 😤
U should be pissed at the Dodgers. Home field advantage? Did the Astros bang the trash can in L.A. in game 7?
Ha ha losers Astros still world championship
Yankee fan here. Same
Astros thats why they were WINNING ALL OF A SUDDEN DAMMM
The Astros would of been good without the cheating but probably wouldn't have won a title
@@irishpanic like 2019
@@jonathonedwardmiller trolls gotta troll I guess
@@irishpanic I have a right to be mad, I'm a FORMER Astros fan, I will always hate this team now
@@jonathonedwardmiller I'm not giving up on 34 years of fandom just because of one regime
Ima go to houston opening day with my dodger jersey n go bang on some trash cans
I'll sit right next to you with my G.Cole Yankees Jersey lol
Banging on trash cans too
I’ll be there with you too
They cheated yall point blank
Lol I think we should get fans from all teams except the red Sox’s
As a Dodger fan I really and all of MLB wanted Dodgers vs Yankees World Series they robbed us of that
Never Around actually you are wrong. Back then everyone was rooting for a Astros Dodgers WS after the Astros acquired justin verlander who was unstoppable
I doubt it, no one wanted to see the Yankees again and no one wanted to see LA choke again so National took them out early and beat a cheating team
Never Around nope, title will be vacated
@Never Around, I wanted the Yankees to be eliminated as soon as possible and I'm quite happy that the Nats won their first title.
Radwar99 - me too, I thrilled Nats got it and especially without Harpers over ratted self
What the Astro did was essentially like sticking a microphone underneath the opposing bench in an NBA game and have someone listen to what plays they are drawing up. I don't understand why the players have 0 consequences when they are the ones started it, continued it, and benefited the most out of it.
Gordon Tseng nfl game would be a better comparison but yea there needs to be some consequences
Not really, Basketball is Different because The Defense Allways knows the Offensive Plays and every play has 2 or more counters. In Baseball you can't simply change the pitch or location once the ball is thrown, this is closer to a War scene where your enemy knows where your attacking, The Exact time, place, and with how many Soldiers. It's like being put in a Trap.
Damm
@ツCloudy no. It was specifically the players.
@@kingkanyon definitely incorrect.
Why can’t you vacate a title? NCAA does all the time when a team violates rules.
This aint college foo. College players dont get paid dumb a.
The school doesn't have to give back the Trophy.
NCAA has a monopoly on college sports. MLB is different. Unions are involved. People OWN the teams. It’s just different and not as easy to accomplish. Asterisks and shaming those involved are really all you can do.
I wish Stephen talked about baseball more often.
Only when there's controversy do they give baseball a second's thought.
Altuve needs to be suspended for the entire 2020 season. Plenty of others as well.
FOR SALE: World Series $5mil
A wise man recently told me he stopped watching MLB since 94.
@@technicmastermind5346 I'm seriously considering doing the same.
“I didn’t know these details”
Steven A, those details have been public knowledge for a month
They were allegations. MLB confirmed the details this week.... media have to be very careful assassinating character over allegations.
@@stephencook1004 Puhleeze. The media is never careful when it comes to allegations. Especially in today's world. The last few years they have repeatedly assassinated people's character over allegations that were not proven yet.
If the Details were out for months why’d they just now hand out punishment?
Stephen Cook there was audio proof of them banging on trash cans every time an off speed pitch was about to be thrown. The MLB didn’t need to confirm it
Really?! Pete rose gets a life time ban, and all they get is a one year ban?!
Well said. Pete Rose never bet against his own team and never damaged the integrity of the game. Only problem: Rose agreed to his punishment
I believe the 1919 White Sox were also ban for life.
Complete hypocrisy. Pat's rack up 6 and 3 allegations of cheating but no real penalty. When the big dogs want you to win, you get to win.
Mr Smith yes, for agreeing to throw the world series
The fact that the dodgers took the astros to a game 7 WHILE the astros were cheating showed how good the dodgers were that year.
At one point around 120 games into the year they were on pace to break the single season win record at around 117... crazy
Dodgers cheated too, and every person in H-town knows it! We actually care about baseball not the mainstream sports media bs that y’all drool over! The Astros were just playing to how everyone around them were!
The cheating stopped in July but yeah
@@jordans9303 They stopped banging on trashcans in AUGUST, but that doesn't mean they stopped cheating. It's more likely they started doing it differently because a White Sox pitcher caught them.
Have a blessed Tuesday everyone!
You to
Thank you. You have a blessed and great day also. Today I'm 36years wise and I'm truly grateful for your comment.
@@johnniewaters3726 happy birthday hope you have a great day
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Max and molly so glued to their screens, Stephen A just talking to himself
6:39 molly interjects with a question, no one answers
MAXS FACE 😂😂
Lol yea love Molly but stfu the men are talking
Stephen A acknowledged her. Said that is something he agrees with as his "first point".
Daniel Dahlinger I think you need to watch it again. What you quoted never was said in response to molly. He said “exactly” responding to Max’s point before adding on saying “number 2”
Edwin Colon you’re right. He was talking over Molly trying to get her to be quite lol
The cheating hurt the Rays and Yankees chances in the division race and the playoffs.
Tonny Times factz rays fan they can’t beat us at home go look
@@judebernard2096 not sure what you are trying to say
Tonny Times he was trying to say when the cheating atros face the Rays and Yankees at their home, the astros got smoked
Hahahahaha sorry did you say the Yankees?
Everyone involved in this doesn't deserve to be fired, they deserve a lifetime ban from baseball
John Kangas the thing is none of them will get rehired by any MLB team
@@secretpersond8324 Probably not, but I like the formality of them officially being banned for life. That way it will leave a lasting smear on their name rather than allowing them to quietly fade into obscurity.
Fire Molly too. Just because
Why?
@@Parfenoff79 Didn't you read "Just because".
Francisco Clemente molly is awesome. She knows her sports
'This is blasphemy'-Stephen A
Simple solution: Remove Astro's Championship, Dodgers don't get the title either. There won't be a WS champion that year.
P L strip the title. 2017: nobody has World Series championip . Put that in the books
That's how I feel
Isnt that what they did when Lance Armstrong lost all his Tour de France titles? Theres just not a champion those years.
The Nationals winning the title looks better every day
literally everyone knew this for like 2 months lol Stephen a is mad late
I was going to say how did he not know???
He’s irrelevant, that’s why lol
"Houston, we have a problem"
More like... Houston we are a problem
@@thelonewolf7443 - lol
Actual quote was Houston we’ve had a problem I think
Facts
😂
Thank you Stephen A for speaking the truth and saying that they deserve to be stripped, cheaters do not deserve to keep any winnings
“You’re under surveillance”- Stephen a Smith
I’m deadddddd
30 For 30 Presents: Houston, We Have A Problem. Narrated by Travis Scott.
1:58 I was sitting next to Stephen A he wasn’t kidding I could tell he was pissed !
No way hahaha
I feel the most for Dave Roberts and Kershaw :(
Thom Yorke uhh what about darvish? Dude was the most hated after the WS
Kershaw still has a history of choking in the postseason, no matter who he plays.
yeah when the sign stealing stopped mid september
I'm no longer an Astros fan, I have watched my last Astros game forever
Jonathon Miller Bye
@@cooljhags7356 bye, have fun supporting a team that's unethical and created a world of corrupt front offices (remember that the Rangers, Red Sox, Orioles and Mets have personnel running their teams)
@@jonathonedwardmiller bye bye
Jonathon Miller who are you going to become a fan of?
Not actually from houston, bye, we don't need you
Bro this cheating scandal happened months ago and Stephen A is just now hearing about it?
Baby Yoda cus ESPN don’t care about baseball
@Yee Glock facts
Yee Glock watching it at the game is also fun, but on TV it’s hard to be entertained from the game unless if it’s your team
They knew they cheated but this complexity and level of detail which they cheated is quite shocking
They were waiting for the mlb report and investigation
Yankees took them to 7 games in 2017 , Dodgers took them to 7 in 2017 . Astros cheated and still almost lost
Did they use it in the playoffs? I’d imagine crowds were too loud. And if it did goes to show you that tipping off pitches is not that effective.
Molly: "Should the Astros be stripped of their title?"
Stephen A: "AS A BLACK MAN!!!"...
Charles Mickael 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Charles Mickael 😂😂😂😂
Lol so we’re going to act like the owner didn’t know what was going on, lol they had a camera......
YUP, we are just gonna excuse him too!!!
check the owners background, he’s a cheater too
They did NOT "have" a camera. They tapped into the cable for the live television feed from center field to the stadium's video room.
The Dodgers mighta got cheated in 2 World Series’s???? I would be devastated if I were them
Terrible for fans. Nightmare for us Dodgers fans.
Chronic Blast what do you mean choked? I don’t get how you’re missing the point, I think everyone now realizes that 2017 series would have gone differently had not the Astros cheated. The Astros literally tarnished the careers of players like Darvish and Kershaw because of it. This is bad for baseball all around
Tyler Lufkin absolutely true, plus if you look at someone like Kershaw his confidence has also been tarnished when going into the playoffs
@@devastator_2413 kershaw coming hard this season when the smoke clears.
"Allow me to explain"
Stares at his papers in silence
CLG Skrypt Just THAT alone makes him an even better philosopher than Jordan Peterson.
Couldn’t have said it better! If a baseball player ever tells you they’ve never tried to sneak a peak at the catchers signs they would be lying to your face, but to install technology to steal signs is completely insane!!
2017 Astro's World Series tainted.
2018 Red Sox's World Series tainted.
But Bonds was a 30/30 guy long before the accusations. Going back to UC Riverside.
houston cheated, red sox didn't
Plus he still had to hit the ball without knowing what pitch was coming
"Doze dudes were fired!" I think I need therapy. I find myself agreeing more and more with Stephen A. the older I get...
Hahah
First Take was always on when I got home from class in college and I remember getting annoyed by Stephen A. Smith. Now I find myself agreeing with him and getting annoyed by Kellerman. What a change. Haha
Did SixNine snitch on the Astros too?
Yeah in his way out of court
Shut up your corny
Jerry 85g Nah Mike Fiers
Solution: strip the cheating astros from the title and have a one game between the Dodgers and Yankees to determine the championship...plus re-enstate Pete Rose from being banned fr4om the MLB!!
The Nationals won the world series title not the Astros so a game between the Dodgers and Yankees would make no sense.
Cheating:
New England Patriots have left the lobby
@lululuis93 ... and all the other 31 teams
Belechick is thinking, “uh oh. This is not looking good for us cheaters.”
lululuis93 the New England patriots have never done anything approaching this lol. What’s the worst Patriots scandal, Spygate? Not even close to this, filming other teams defensive signals which are easily visible to everyone vs filming something visible to everyone except the batter. The only guy who can’t know the signs is the batter. When he does it changes the whole game
The free rent the patriots are enjoying in these peoples heads 😂
@TheLocalLt ... Honestly, notice how he didnt mention the saints bounty hunt. The saints hurt star players to end their season no one bats an eye, but pats miss ball psi by 1-2 everyone goes mad.
The fact that he said he didn't know the exact details tells me how much they care less about baseball.
Uh, not entirely. No one knew this They only have what is given to them, just like us. No one expected THIS kind of Blockbuster news. The MLB kept it under wraps until they have proof.
Why the video have to cut out when Stephen A started talking about amphetamines? I wanted to hear more on that.
Joe M The cuts are almost never clean at the end of these videos and I don’t understand why. Show me the whole segment.
Mylo the Zoo-loving Scientist exactly for this reason. They want you to be curious and end up buying subscriptions.
@@MylotheZooLovingScientist They obviously have to keep videos under 7 minutes for whatever reason.
Yankee bias, half the players that won champioships in those teams with the yankees were using steroids
@@beastyboy101bo Has nothing to do with bias because they talked further about what he's talking abuot in the full show, he's complaining about the youtube clip being cut short and it's because they have to cram the segment into a 7minute video for whatever reason.
Bill Plashke, LA Times writer, Dodger fan, believes the Astros should be stripped. What a shocker.
astros got us down here looking stupid.glad i’m just a Rockets fan.
Don't worry the Rockets will choke again this year in the Western Conference
@Sometimescloudy great point
@Sometimescloudy cmon now they making the playoffs
Well, harden is a cheater too. Too many flops looking for free free throws. I hate the rockets
And judge deserves that mvp not altuve
The one time I agree with SAS on his talking points!!
Well why they they lose 2019 World Series
Don't tell him because you'll never hear the end of it.
I feel SO badly for how hard I was on Roberts, Kershaw, etc that year 😭😭 commissioner give us justice!!! Take back the banners and rings! 😡💔
I love the whole "other teams cheat so its ok" take from people on here. It's like saying "other people commit murder, so I can too"
@Jon Dough doesn't matter, if one is wrong and the other is also wrong then they should both be treated the same, you don't do it
now that's a stretch......a big one
@@lonnieedwards9149
Only a tiny lil stretch 😂😂
@Jon Dough you missed the point. It's a valid hyperbolic (to get his point) analogy concerning consistency between right and wrong. The commenter's calling out people who like to pick and choose what they deem wrong out of bias.
Just as long as the dodgers lose
They fire the coach but everyone on that team knew they were cheating.
Istvan De Jesús A war general knows he’s doing something he’s not, his army knows it’s wrong but still have to follow orders. Do they fire they the whole army and the general? No just the general who led them.
Good luck to you my friend when your are face with a decision in wich you have to weather go with your ideals and convictions or obey your “superiors”. You have a choice. God bless!!!
Clearly Stephen A hadn’t been keeping up with Jomboy
Agreed now strip the pats too and let’s get back to sports integrity
Do you also believe in Santa? Because sports integrity doesn't exist.
No because the Pats did nothing wrong watch the experiment they did on ESPN where they put football's in a freezer at the same temperature as the game that night. Pats stripped:no Astros: yes
love hearing SAS talk about baseball. we need more
nah, ESPN is all NFL/NBA all the time. There are no other sports. When I was growing up ESPN included Hockey in their top plays and MLB was a major part of the network....
Yes we do cuz basketball is so fucking boring and dead
Dustin Woosley really baseball is boring af and how is nba dead but the fastest growing sports and last time I checked mlb is losing fans
Dustin Woosley no way you just called basketball boring and didn’t include baseball in the same sentence 😂😂
He has no clue what he is talking about though.
Houston we have a problem
Stephen A and Max should talk more baseball
This just proves to kids that as a player, cheating gets you ahead. And even when you're caught, just deny and no punishment will come to you.
"I didn't know these details.."-Stephen A
...at least he's consistent with his ignorance.
Surprisingly consistent
B Johnson hahahah
*consistant
Rick Harding are you trying to correct us with a misspelled word?
@@Betoven81 ...Reading Is Fundamental.
every player involved should be suspended for the season
So should the Patriots... Let's not be biased
Thank u! 👏🏾
It's not the same at all. This was premeditated cheating, and everyone (players, coaches, GM) was aware of it, and there's 10 times as much evidence than there was with the Patriots. Not even close to the same my man lol
The evidence against New England is minuscule compared to this..... this was so obvious
Patriots are just better at it.
Belichick: I AM THE NFL!
I feel like Stephen A. was the last guy on earth to learn of the detailed allegations against Houston.
exactly, he never talks about baseball
Is he wrong though about the cheating Astros?