A double cheater, the only way you could sleep at night is because you are rich. Not a person I would trust as a friend. I prefer poor people who have a conscience and moral standards.
Dom but it is deep, these cheaters make hundreds of millions of dollars and we only demand of them to be good players, and honest and turns out they can't even be neither.
It's about character and the kind of people you choose to associate with and trust, that's why I have few friends, I have to know if they are trustworthy and worth the time, and if you compromise on anything you most likely will not have my back when it matters. If you are only about you, then you don't deserve what I give to a friendship.
@@breadstickboss4358 I would agree that it doesn’t make sense for them to stop but they would definitely need to use a different cue then the trash can in the playoffs. Way too loud in a full stadium
Miles Black Nine players =/= entire team. That's all I said. (Also I was confused, it was eight White Sox plus a player from the Browns who knew about the fix and used it to place bets.)
This whole thing is so upsetting even though I'm a Giants/Mariners fan. The Astros were supposed be the new heroes of baseball finally breaking their curse, but now they're biggest villains that everyone wants to see fail.
This is worst than the black Sox scandal so yes screw that I hate the astros because of this shit and the only way to fix that is to reboot the whole team honestly
Cole Parker They do condone it. But only if you get away with it. Then it’s “gamesmanship”, and baseball historians chuckle over it. See: 1951 NY Giants
@@xerozx2 Greinke is so good for baseball. It’s a sport for weirdos and he embodies it so well. My high school team named a bat after a town one of us hit a home run in, Jena, and would give her a kiss before going to the plate. We each had our own celebrations with each other, and none of this to mention the array of characters I had coaching travel ball. Love that guy.
@@ritzkola2302 on their youtube channel. They are easy to find just look up your team name and a date or opponents team (for example, red sox vs Dodgers 2018, or red sox 6/05/19)
What should happen: Caught cheating = world series removed from them. Bans on known persons. What will happen: A token suspension, a coach will be made the fallout guy
Who came back here after the Dodgers won the World Series? Astros fans: “Well the Dodgers had it easy. They got to play against someone who doesn’t cheat.” lmao
It’s funny how Astros’ fans refuse to accept that the Astros are one of the most hated teams. They think that only the Dodgers are pissed and are oblivious that virtually every team hates them.
I worked at Yankee Stadium as a security guard for the 2019 postseason, and yep, the fans were absolutely ruthless. Had to kick out a handful of folks both Yankee and Astro fans because it was getting nuclear.
Joey W I wouldn’t even be mad about that. Developing a subtle system of cheating vultures would probably take even more work than getting really good at baseball.
As a Dodger fan, I would love to see them do a reverse ring ceremony. Where they line everyone up and take away their rings at an away game like they hand them out at home games.
LOL, Says the Dodger fan that lost games at home when it mattered. I would like to see the Dodgers turn in their rings for 2020 because everyone played half the season.
Jomboy broke this wide open with his video. No doubt in my mind, MLB would’ve tried to sweep this under the rug. His video didn’t allow that to happen.
Lol the athletic was reporting on this former Astros were talking about it and opposing player's. And jomboy media is the deep throat that broke this all open. Uummmmm not even close. I'm a fan of his channel but this was all going to blow up with or without out jomboy. It's foolish to believe he had any part in it. All he did is make a short video on information that was told to the entire world.
@@cajunboi4888 From your viewpoint sure. I get that. I don't think that applies to MLB opponents, who may have already had a history with them prior to this knowledge. People don't tend to react kindly to cheating against them on this level. There's a lot at stake here. Legacy, leverage with future contracts, endorsements, league leading titles, MVP's...think about it. If you pay any attention to human nature, you can make a safe bet a few of those "message" pitches may wind up in somebody's ribs. We'll see how those guys hit this upcoming season when compared to the "actually knowing what pitch is coming" past seasons.
I don’t think drilling someone in the baby back ribs is all that out of line but throwing at a guy’s head could take a life. No game is worth that. I’m as old school as it comes when talking traditional baseball etiquette, but there’s got to be a line you don’t cross.
@@MrSimmies lol thats cuz we were. yall can whine and cry abt this scandal all you want but we will always be the 2017 World Champs. Every single mlb team steals signs, hell even my 11 year old little league team did. The 2017 Astros were filthy, and no doubt the best team in the mlb. Springer, Altuve, Correa, Bregman, Yuli... the list goes on and on. Go Stros.
If you're stealing signs a lot of the time, and it's helping you, you expect to hit better when you're not sign stealing too -- because teams can't effectively scout you.
@@jonboy9734 Alot of the signs is because the catcher has to know what is coming, so he can set up properly and expect a ball to break or not. Great catchers make great pitchers look even better. Even if a pitcher only throws like 1 pitch, the catcher has to know the location. It's incredible the movement of the ball, and time the pitch reaches the plate. Catchers get crossed up all the time. Sometimes harder to catch than it is to hit.
booing is not enough ,,, we need field level drunks to shout cheater at the top of their lungs while altuve/bregman/correa are on deck ,,, and even more important we need whole stadium chants of ''cheater'' as they walk to the plate
14:37 Marwyn Gonzalez, who had been a "meh" hitter up to that point, went absolutely ballistic that season. EXACTLY, because they were cheating. He never again hit like that and he never will.
@@Voltage-rs7op I think that Marwin Gonzalez is a serviceable player and in interviews, he comes across as a good man, which is what is important. But, looking coldly at the numbers, his 2017 OPS of .907 is insanely higher than the .689 he averaged during the other ten years of his career.
@@drbryant23 You cant compare a stat from a single season to an average, since one bad or good season within the math compared to the average can really change the averaged stat for better or for worse, giving false impressions
No dude, we should give the cheaters the benefit of the doubt. It doesn't matter that his only fantastic season coincided with when they were proven to be cheating, he was just on fire through totally legit means
Frederick Glass the Dodgers wouldn’t want it. They know they didn’t catch the last out. But it would feel justified that no one earned/won the title that year. That would be justice, which is what everyone in baseball wants/deserves.
The Astros won 2 out of 3 games in Houston and split 4 in LA. This isn't at all atypical of a World Series winner. The team that can legitimately claim to have been screwed is the New York Yankees. The home team won all seven games of the ALCS.
big8dog88 under normal conditions the split seems reasonable but bottom line they were caught cheating. Both Yankees and dodgers have legit gripe, don’t make this a lesser offense against the dodgers just because it fits the narrative under normal conditions
@Josh Bowen Yes. You have never in your entire life misunderstood anything or thought something incredibly dumb. You've had an IQ of 175 since the day you were born and have never ever ever made a mistake. Indeed, you are the perfect human being, free of error.
This is so awesome to see, I know Farquhar irl, talked to him a lot during his rehab from brain surgery because I had just gotten back to playing baseball from my own brain surgery and he's a great guy, has a fantastic baseball IQ, sad his professional career got cut short by that aneurysm, but I have loads of respect for him.
Farquhar seems like a good dude. I'm glad he has a gig in baseball, even if he's not pitching anymore. That brain episode was no joke! He's lucky to be around!
@@FoolishBaseball very nice in person, and yeah he works out where I do in the off season, so everyone that goes there was super worried about him when it happened, everyone was so happy to see him back in there after he got out of the hospital... it was super cool for me to see his velo slowly climb back up as he regained his strength and stability. It was crazy that I could relate to him so closely since I was literally going through the same rehab process trying to get back on the mound from my own surgery for a couple aneurysms. Also, love the quality of your videos man, keep up the great work
12:10 I actually have a bat from ploffe he gave me when i was a kid as a twins player, broken at batting practice and he gave me it when i was the smallest and most insignificant kid there. great guy
“Can you really suspend an entire baseball team?” Does nobody remember the 1919 Black Sox scandal? Whole roster banned from the MLB if I do recall for throwing the game for money. It’s not much different, I’m sure some of the stars have clauses in their contracts that include bonuses for playoff series wins and a World Series wins like they do in the NBA. They profited by gaming the system. And as a Red Sox fan, they’re not much better off, I don’t see them taking away banners but Alex Cora did the right thing by stepping down and didn’t try to make a fool of himself. Apple Watches or trash cans, cheating is cheating.
It wasn't the entire roster, it was 8 players SP Eddie Cicotte SP Lefty Williams 1B Chick Gandil SS Swede Risberg 3B Buck Weaver INF Fred McMullin CF Happy Felsch and of course, LF Joe Jackson
The way that the league handled this was just a complete embarrassment to baseball And pretty much just summed up why the game is struggling to attract attention These days
I agree... to completely ignore comments from a Dodgers employee to Tom Verducci that they were cheating much worse makes it appear to be uneven enforcement of the rules...
Dropping this after the rangers won the 2023 world series. I'm a Rangers fan deep in Astros territory and the fastest way to turn friendly banter into legit anger from a stros fan is to even mention a trashcan.
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Can you imagine how much time you save and how much extra rest you could have if you didn't need to prepare for pitchers? No staying up all night watching video, no studying scouting reports of opposing pitchers and their tendencies. Just listen for bangs. What a huge, huge advantage.
The thing is that this isn't a game for these people. It's a game to us, because we watch it to be entertained. But that's what these people do for a job. Playing a sport at a high level is pretty precarious, a couple bad seasons and you can be out the door, especially if you're a rookie or a veteran. The Astros stole signs for the same reason that dudes took steroids in the 90's and 2000's. Good years extend careers. The organization absolutely should have been punished harder, maybe more draft pick forfeitures, maybe loss of international amateur signing money or something. But the players? I can't fault them, because I'd do the exact same thing in their shoes.
@@evantiesman4165 I agree with you wholeheartedly. Organization itself should have been punished significantly, and the fact that they weren't is much worse than the fact that nothing happened to the players.
@@evantiesman4165 that is EXACTLY WHY they needed to make an example of every single one of them. Yeah you'd do the same in their shoes, because you know the MLB isn't gonna take it seriously. That calculus changes if you could face a lifetime ban.
@@9e7exkbzvwpf7c of course. Get that shit outta sports. It's unhealthy and sets a bad precedent for the children who look up to sports figures or want to be athletes themselves. Every kid at some point dreamed of being a pro athlete. Do you really want steroids as a cost of entry for them? We hold these guys up and give them millions of dollars. The least they can do is not cheat.
me too.. I have been looking for any updates regarding this SCANDAL.... just have to wait and see IF MLB is actually going to do something or just sweep it under the rug ?? be hard to do that though.. one thing is for sure now.. EVERY game will be scrutinized across the board.. and I'm glad for that.. America's favorite past time huh ??? CORRUPTION never stops I guess ???
@@Booshie what dont I understand? Chapman is a fastball pitcher who throws 101mph..his slider is only devastating because hitters have to respect the fastball. There's just no way he sits back and wants on a breaking ball unless he knew it was coming
Altuve said MLB investigated and didn't find anything about him wearing a buzzer. He told Scott Boras he didn't wear one. Nothing to see here. Move along.
Put an asterisk next to their Title. Jim Crane said he has high standards and therefore he went above MLB punishment by firing Hinch and Luhnow. But he claims his 2017 Title is legit. So much for his high standards and went above MLB
You are more than welcome to put an asterisk next to the 2017 title, but if you do you better understand there are about three dozen more you can put in that same category for the same damn reason. What if Bobby Thompson‘s “shot heard round the world“ came as a result of the sign stealing the Giants were doing? This was not an Astros problem. If one idiotic pitcher didn’t take a shot at his former team because he didn’t like where his career wound up we wouldn’t be discussing any of this. The Astros would be right there with the Yankees and the Dodgers as teams rumored to have cheated beyond in 2017 and beyond. • In 2017 he (Manfred) fined the Red Sox for stealing signs off the replay monitor and transmitting them with a smart watch. He also **fined the Yankees** for improper use of the dugout phone to gain information off the replay monitor. !!!LOOK!!! -> • In 2018 he received so many complaints about teams stealing signs electronically that in the postseason he stationed MLB security officials near every replay monitor and dugout to try to ensure a fair game-the baseball version of calling in the National Guard to an emergency.
@@macpipkin What about the 8 other teams the Astros told MLB were cheating and Manfred swept it under the rug? MLB started this whole problem by instituting the challenge replay system and having replay monitors teams could look at before challenging a play. Get rid of that. Turn off the TVs in the clubhouses. No replays anywhere that are not available to the fans in the stands. The Astros, especially the players, deserve all the grief they get, but the fans should make sure their team's own house is in order.
@@macpipkin Fiers is not an idiotic pitcher. His timing could have been better, but at least someone finally stepped up and said something. Hinch said in a press conference that if someone has an issue with the way they do something don't hide behind anonymous comments but their name on it. Fiers did that, and here we are. He could have chosen to remain anonymous, and he knew he could be blackballed by his teammates or other clubs. There is always time to do what is right, and the Astros and the team's management had three years to do what's right and didn't.
Signs or not you still gotta hit the ball and everything else all this is gonna do is make them want to prove they don't' have to cheat to win. This is a question of personal honor i doubt if all the players chose to win by cheating, that's bullshit.
I was at game 6 for the WS in 2017 and I do remember looking at the Astros bullpen and seeing the catcher standing close to the fence with his hands on it.
They didn't just stole signs, wins and championship. They stole away people's livelihoods and careers. The worst part was the organisation and people involved didn't appologize sincerely which led their fans to feel unremorseful about the scandal.
Dispersal draft of every player on the 40 man roster. All new talent must come from the minor league system and waivers, no free agent signings for seven years.
TehitsGonzo Let’s say they win 55 games the first year and improve by five games a year for the next six years. They will then be an 85 win team with all homegrown talent and will be able to add free agents to their now prime core and they have half a chance of becoming a wild card contender. The punishments discussed to this point are risible. Manfred like all commissioners works for the owners, not “the game,” smh. The three batter rule is positively idiotic.
Lxn _ni Perhaps you can break away from your adolescent Asian cultural obsessions long enough to articulate your reasoning and moreover your superior plan. Shake any tree and a hundred critics will fall out along with one person who has done something.
@@IAm-qf2xb you are stupid think it's viable one no player in the league would be able to trust the mlb again. It would more than likely breach player contracts. Other teams already have full rosters and back ups it would cause innocent people to loose there jobs. What teams would get what players? Do good teams get the good ones and bad teams get the bad ones?
Disagree. Jomboy as little to no integrity. I encourage Foolish Baseball to use his more objective and rational approach to assessing information, and apply it to Jomboy's ability to receive criticism. Jomboy comically highlights antics all around the league but openly admits he refuses to do so for his own team. People unable to laugh at themselves, that is to say, see humor for what it is(honesty*), are insecure and dishonest people. Then, he further embarrasses himself by lashing out at those who criticized his own bias. Perhaps most telling, was his response to Foolish Baseball's question about receiving criticism from Astros fans; He says, "I hope I have them all blocked by now". Censorship is something I will never endorse in life. He ostracizes small groups, those who defend the Astros, and those who laugh at the yankees' misfortunes. I cannot endorse(viewership is a form of consumption, the large the consumer base, the more advertisement funds are given) this either. *Humor as Honesty: To paraphrase Aristotle, "comedy is the most true form of writing" I typically wouldn't write anything as involved as this piece, if not for how intelligent Foolish Baseball appears to be. That previous statement was sad considering it's really simple stuff, so to be too involved these days isn't difficult to accomplish. Disclaimer: I do not defend the Astros, nor do I hate the Yankees.
Native Houstonian here. I think they deserve everything they have coming to them. It's only fair. The league has made strides over time to keep integrity intact, and the allegations are performance enhancing. Fair is fair, and it's better to have heavy consequences dealt rather than get a slap on the wrist and have a cloud of doubt hanging over you forever like the Patriots. At least that way we can say we paid for it.
Juan Antonio patriots fans have no cloud over their heads they don’t care, they claim those ships proudly. Also the averages prove that they did better away from home when they didn’t have the banging.
Also from Houston... the most upsetting thing to me is the character of the players that are now called into question. George Springer, Jose Altuve, and Alex Bregman are all class acts, or so I thought. Hope they had nothing to do with it, but honestly they probably did. Interesting to see how far the cheating goes, whether it delves into the pitching side of things or not...
fightsports66 I’m not here to argue what right or wrong I’m just stating the truth i haven’t meant a single patriots fan that cares that they go got caught cheating and the banging was not performance enhancing, if the league wants to punish them that’s their decision. I was just rebutting the initial comment
@@marrigtherebel3133 My point wasn't about Patriots fans caring, because they clearly don't. But everyone else does, you can't talk about the Patriots without someone bringing up the cheating. It'll be the same thing for the Astros, unless they can win one legitimately, and even then, the stigma will linger until Hinch and the core of that 2017 team are all gone. And for the other guy responding about the MLB looking to the NFL for punishment, they obviously won't. I didn't write anything close to implying that.
He bet on some games as a manager after his playing career and never against his team and yet a team who outright stole a chip and directly affected hundreds of games gets like no punishment.
Because he agreed to a lifetime banned, signed his name to the document, in exchange for MLB not revealing the details. One asshole being a bit less of an asshole than a bunch of other assholes doesn't mean we should suddenly go easy on the first asshole.
@@picoxd4339: I was replying to the OP, who I'm not sure is arguing exactly the same. I think Pete Rose is exactly where he should be, and that the Astros should have had the book thrown at them. I appreciate that you also think Houston should have been punished more than they were. Cheers.
The player that was struggling could very likely be Brian McCann. He joined the Astros in 2017 after the Yankess; hit .300 at home in the world series vs .037 away.
@@AdamFerrari64 Doesn't matter, McCann retired at the end of 2019 season after the Braves lost to the Cards in the playoffs. Not much MLB can do to him, he isn't HOF good, so they can't do a thing to him unless he plans to coach, but he never said he had any plans to do anything of the sort.
It said that the (unknown player) benefited from sign stealing on his last team. Obviously of all teams the Yankees would have some kind of sign stealing system (probably not as cheaty as this one but still).
@average0 the Yankees cheat just as much as other teams but they don’t use sign stealing systems like Houston maybe a little extra pine tar here and there but that’s not anything different from anyone else why are the Yankees always targeted the fucking Red Sox had apple watches and they barely got flamed for it
Imagine if this was like back in the 70s when fans ran on the field when altuve hit the Homerun to win the 2019 ALCS a fan just like was celebrating and completely ripped his jersey off and the whole buzzer appeared 😂😂
@@xeriovds546 I think the sign stealing may have helped but you're right, they were definitely a premier team. It's important to account for the talent in the rest of the AL West too when making a conclusion. Either way, its going to be an interesting season whenever baseball starts again
@Braydon Wilson bleacherreport.com/articles/2871359-logan-morrison-so-many-mlb-teams-cheat-using-video-names-yankees-dodgers we do know. Logan Morrison played for a while so I trust him
@@Andrea-ul7cm You do realize that the constant trolling is going to make their 'away games' a literal nightmare, correct? Besides, it was a joke... Learn to laugh a little.
@@Andrea-ul7cm and now it will be harder, correct? Then kindly stfu... I believe there are a few people that liked the comment, so I cannot be the only one who found it funny...
@Braydon Wilson I'm an Orioles fan, so you picked two of my favorite targets. I'd choose Maroon 5's Payphone for the Red Sox after Big Sloppy's 2013 tantrum. As for the Yankees, you could insert any generic auto-tuned rap song which brags about boatloads of money.
Great video, completely disagree with the arguments against removing their title. It is absolutely necessary to discourage this kind of unsportsmanlike behavior. The very essence of sports is that we compete against each other on a level playing field. It’s what we teach kids from an early age. Letting them get away with it signals that we don’t prioritize fairness over winning, which is catastrophic. Manfred should have had the balls to step up and show what kind of leader he is as commissioner of the league, but instead he acted cowardly. Sad to know that’s the guy in charge of baseball at the moment.
@@tylerlackey1175 If they dont make rules, they cant enforce them, its that simple. If they do, the team can just go to court and say "well, what we did was not prohibited by the rulebook, which means that it was completely legal". Trust me, people like these exist on this world
Y'know what nobody is talking about, but they should? The fact that this makes the Nationals World Series win even more impressive. Not only did the Nationals have to face one of the best teams in baseball, they had to try and counter their cheating as well.
Great video! A couple points/questions: 1) I can't hear the trashcan banging with the audio cuts. Like at all, for the life of me. Anyone else? 2) Marwin Gonzales seems like a perfect candidate for struggling hitter who got significantly better in 2017. Any sleuths out there got any deeper insight? 3) Strikeout rate isn't the only stat that will improve knowing signs. In fact, if you get comfortable taking certain pitches you're liable to go down looking if the pitcher paints corners. Batting average will go up because timing is everything for solid contact. Many of the Astros had suspiciously-coordinated career years.
As a Royals fan, in 2015 when the Boys in Blue ripped their hearts out with that magnificent comeback in game 4, I couldn't help but think that that had to be so heartbreaking for the Astros to be that close to winning. But when all this shit went down, I can't tell you how much happier it made me that my guys fucked with their world. I'll go back to watching my crappy baseball team now, thank you.
What about the other coaches on the Astros staff? You telling me they didn't know about the sign stealing but yet did nothing to stop it? MLB needs to clean house with the Astros, and the Red Sox, if it's proven they stole signs.
@@waydebaker33 It was all a bunch of see no evil, hear no evil and speak no evil. The whole bunch deserves to get painted with the cheaters brush forever.
@@slundgr I'm not in any of their shoes, so I'll try not to be to judgemental, but.... Pete Rose and Shoeless Joe both better be in the HOF before any of them.
@@waydebaker33 None of them deserve to be in there. Cheaters are cheaters. Same with the PED users. It's also why I don't hold the HOF in high esteem anymore. It's tainted.
@@slundgr wheres the proof Shoeless Joe cheated? He was ACCUSED of taking money to throw the WS yet he hit like .375 with 12 RBI and a OPS of .950 something...that doesn't seem like stats of someone who was trying to throw the WS....ijs.
Seems so obvious in retrospect, that trash can banging, it seems hard to believe that no one on the other teams ever figured this shit out... “They sure seem to be banging that trash can every time we throw a breaking ball...”
They were better on the road than at home in 2017. What if they found a way to steal signs on the road as well? They have more than one way of relaying signs, what if the trash banging was the easiest method, which is why they did it at home, but they had a different method that worked fine on the road (e.g. the bullpen catcher with the hands)?
Stealing signs is a game within the game. I mean that by having a runner on second look and try to figure out the sign system. Not a camera from center field zoomed in and using trash cans every single pitch. I’ve actually heard of teams putting down multiple signs with no one on base to disguise the signs when they played the Astros
William Hough and the Sox were the ones that cheated not the Yankees. The Yankees had players that cheated, not the whole team. But every team has had one of those so you can’t just point the Yankees out for that
Lived in Houston at the time, honestly everyone was all for the astros that year, I was just watching tbh, I really hope they do shit next year, cheaters should never win
I live in Houston, can tell u probaly didn't and are not much of a sports fan. Sure, what they did is wrong, but u don't switch up on your team of the place u live in. Tf
Thud thud...
Batter: Oh, is a changeup.
Pitcher: *drills batter in face with fastball*
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Not really funny
William Keller stfu
@@thanatos2730 it's pretty funny
@@thanatos2730 ur mom is gay
Knock knock
Who's there?
Changeup
Isodorf god dam best knock knock joke I’ve heard in years 😂
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Too funny hahahahhahaha
I like the scandal! Keep going
Change up
Imagine if Barry Bonds knew every time you were throwing a fastball.
Especially roided out!
A double cheater, the only way you could sleep at night is because you are rich. Not a person I would trust as a friend. I prefer poor people who have a conscience and moral standards.
Michael Hassler alright calm down, it’s not that deep 😂😂
Dom but it is deep, these cheaters make hundreds of millions of dollars and we only demand of them to be good players, and honest and turns out they can't even be neither.
It's about character and the kind of people you choose to associate with and trust, that's why I have few friends, I have to know if they are trustworthy and worth the time, and if you compromise on anything you most likely will not have my back when it matters. If you are only about you, then you don't deserve what I give to a friendship.
Clayton Kershaw threw 51 breaking balls/sliders in game 5 and didn't get a single swing and miss. That's just nuts
Yk they didn’t do it during the postseason
@@RealUNRL they did, there’s just no concrete proof of it. Why would they have stopped anyways
@@breadstickboss4358 so they did something but with no evidence, makes sense
@@bradydavis3121 yes generally people don't want to be caught breaking the rules yeah?
@@breadstickboss4358 I would agree that it doesn’t make sense for them to stop but they would definitely need to use a different cue then the trash can in the playoffs. Way too loud in a full stadium
“You can’t cheat for a whole season and get away with it”
Astros: *haha trashcans go bang*
haha buzzers go buzz buzz
Kurt22 Boss of this baseball company:
I go your suspected
And they got exposed this season
@@jojo539 didn’t they make the ALCS
@@richardpattarozzi8975 didn’t their offense suck this year?
Do you think MLB the Show 2020 will add a trash can mechanic to the game?
Disgruntled TH-camr I think so... and you can only do it as the astros at home, hit the right trigger to bang for the pitch.
Disgruntled TH-camr I think teams are stealing my signs now. They smash everything I throw
They better at least make the announcers say something about them cheating
tmctechnology there’s banging in the dugout.
Disgruntled TH-camr 😂 touché
"Can you really suspend an entire baseball team if everyone was in on it?"
*laughs in black sox*
Now that's a good one
Why? The Black Sox were nine players, not the whole team.
MetFanMac pretty big chunk of the team if you ask me.
Miles Black Nine players =/= entire team. That's all I said. (Also I was confused, it was eight White Sox plus a player from the Browns who knew about the fix and used it to place bets.)
*laughs* they’re not going to.
Not when the Yankees got busted cheating this year...
This whole thing is so upsetting even though I'm a Giants/Mariners fan. The Astros were supposed be the new heroes of baseball finally breaking their curse, but now they're biggest villains that everyone wants to see fail.
They just failed
@@pokejammerz thank god
Lol you’re a giants/mariners fan? Never understood people who root for multiple teams.
The Yankees, Red Sox, and Dodgers all cheated too. Nobody hates them as much because they just didn’t win the WS.
Wow Altuve was cheating and had no regret
It’s like a magic trick. Hard to pick up at first but once you know the trick it’s painfully obvious
"Can you really suspend an entire baseball team?" -- Yes. Yes you can.
@Colonel Radec 100%!!!!!!
@Camo Dude DESERVING RAISE!
This is worst than the black Sox scandal so yes screw that I hate the astros because of this shit and the only way to fix that is to reboot the whole team honestly
Colonel Radec but that’ll kill the players career especially pitchers
No, because 21 players now work for other teams
Pete rose gambling- life time ban
Astros cheating to win a title- immunity
It’s pretty bs isn’t it. There’s no explanation. It’s almost as if the mlb condones cheating
Cole Parker Manfred is a piece of shit
Cole Parker They do condone it. But only if you get away with it. Then it’s “gamesmanship”, and baseball historians chuckle over it.
See: 1951 NY Giants
MLB hypocrisy
Shoeless joe takes money and dosent through the series ban for life
The best part was that weird/cool pitcher, Grienkie? knowing his guys were cheating so he tells the batter whats coming to even it up! Pure class.
Love that guy
I heard him say he plans on becoming a garbage man instead of an MLB pitcher. Maybe he was making a joke about 🗑?
@@baseballhooligan454 he’s said that even before he played for them. He’s just weird
@@baseballhooligan454 no he was actually serious. zack greinke is a god
@@xerozx2 Greinke is so good for baseball. It’s a sport for weirdos and he embodies it so well. My high school team named a bat after a town one of us hit a home run in, Jena, and would give her a kiss before going to the plate. We each had our own celebrations with each other, and none of this to mention the array of characters I had coaching travel ball. Love that guy.
MLB putting full games online is one of the best moves they've ever made.
misesmedicine where
Yeah where
???
@@ritzkola2302 on their youtube channel. They are easy to find just look up your team name and a date or opponents team (for example, red sox vs Dodgers 2018, or red sox 6/05/19)
Did these people even watch the video
What should happen:
Caught cheating = world series removed from them. Bans on known persons.
What will happen:
A token suspension, a coach will be made the fallout guy
So true
Exactly what happened
Wow do you have Pennywise's phone number, because you called it.
the owner probbally payed mlb
Not even a token suspension lol
The colab we've all been waiting for!
Agreed. Good to finally see myself and the Cave Story soundtrack together.
lol
@@FoolishBaseball Can't believe it took you so long to use it, that soundtrack slaps 😤
Who came back here after the Dodgers won the World Series?
Astros fans: “Well the Dodgers had it easy. They got to play against someone who doesn’t cheat.” lmao
HAHA
“60 game season doesn’t count”
-Astros fan somewhere
@@jacksbee8809 😂
@@jacksbee8809 giants fans too
We cool we still have the one from 2017 so. 😂😂🖕🖕
Appropriate punishment: Make them put the hill back in Minute Maid Park.
They sucked while it was there so yes
I agree
Lol I'm surprised y'all still talking about this. Go Stros 🤘
And make them call it Enron Field again.
They where forced to take it down
0:19 Imagine having to cheat to beat the Mariners 😂😂😂
Jeff Finkbonner 😂
Jeff Finkbonner as a mariners fan, this one hurt😔😂
Ye Yeet im still waiting for when we can get to a world series lmao.
I hate you lmao
As a Mariners fan, yes.
the worst part abt this, they had no regrets, they never really felt sorry
Their arrogance is palpable
cheating for success (and money) goes a long way!
Chads
Altuve never did it due to many studies so I understand him however everyone else I agree
King shit
It’s funny how Astros’ fans refuse to accept that the Astros are one of the most hated teams. They think that only the Dodgers are pissed and are oblivious that virtually every team hates them.
as an astros fan, i know we are hated but we get blamed for what the team did but we had no control over their actions
@@anaarias9809 Can you prove that it wasn't you banging on the trash can though?
@@ivanooze1049 why would it be me individually? as a team i can’t speak for them lol
@@anaarias9809 I was joking lol
I worked at Yankee Stadium as a security guard for the 2019 postseason, and yep, the fans were absolutely ruthless. Had to kick out a handful of folks both Yankee and Astro fans because it was getting nuclear.
can't wait for a movie about this lol
If it’s not titled “Houston Asterisks” or something along those lines. Imma be heated
“Cheater Ball”
"Garbage Men"
The title should be “Cans and Fast Balls, the Orange team cheating Tale”
CanBall
*This week, on a very special Baseball Bits...*
Also, the Phillies used a buzzer system in 1900 to steal signs.
It's those darn buzzers
Dingers5Days I read it as “buzzard” at first and was surprised how they got, trained, and used a bird to steal signs
Joey W I wouldn’t even be mad about that. Developing a subtle system of cheating vultures would probably take even more work than getting really good at baseball.
Mr. Ryan America is run by cheating vultures
already can tell this is gonna be a banger
Could you please certify it as such? The paperwork is taking forever.
Foolish Baseball ditched class to watch this can confirm it is indeed a banger
A banger on the trash can in the tunnel specifically
More like a thumper
Foolish Baseball bang bang bang, it is certified offspeed
As a Dodger fan, I would love to see them do a reverse ring ceremony. Where they line everyone up and take away their rings at an away game like they hand them out at home games.
LMAO
LOL, Says the Dodger fan that lost games at home when it mattered. I would like to see the Dodgers turn in their rings for 2020 because everyone played half the season.
@@ahp2825 false equivalence. The Dodgers didn’t cheat The Astros did and tainted the sport
Cry about it y'all lost
Also, I want to their trophies being taken away and get rid of their champion title
Jomboy broke this wide open with his video. No doubt in my mind, MLB would’ve tried to sweep this under the rug. His video didn’t allow that to happen.
Lol the athletic was reporting on this former Astros were talking about it and opposing player's. And jomboy media is the deep throat that broke this all open. Uummmmm not even close. I'm a fan of his channel but this was all going to blow up with or without out jomboy. It's foolish to believe he had any part in it. All he did is make a short video on information that was told to the entire world.
@@omalley5196 agreed this was happening regardless, I think Jomboy did make it more publicly known early on but like you said it was happening anyway
The MLB did basically sweep this under the rug regardless
no, Jomboy presented an idea of the cheating with buzzers that was proven false. He rode the coattails of the story.
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I expect a lot of "stray" balls flying towards Astros' heads next season
absolutely...this league, especially the pitchers, are going to be furious....they better be careful diggn in next year
That will be pathetic and childish.
@@cajunboi4888 What's pathetic and childish is the Astros stealing signs to win baseball games. I don't make the rules.
@@cajunboi4888 From your viewpoint sure. I get that. I don't think that applies to MLB opponents, who may have already had a history with them prior to this knowledge. People don't tend to react kindly to cheating against them on this level. There's a lot at stake here. Legacy, leverage with future contracts, endorsements, league leading titles, MVP's...think about it. If you pay any attention to human nature, you can make a safe bet a few of those "message" pitches may wind up in somebody's ribs. We'll see how those guys hit this upcoming season when compared to the "actually knowing what pitch is coming" past seasons.
I don’t think drilling someone in the baby back ribs is all that out of line but throwing at a guy’s head could take a life. No game is worth that. I’m as old school as it comes when talking traditional baseball etiquette, but there’s got to be a line you don’t cross.
"... and Marwen Gonzalez, who had been a *meh* hitter up to that point, went absolutely ballistic that season!"
Hmmm....
And hasn’t been anything since then
He's with Alex Cora on the Red Sox now :)
Yeah, I'm surprised that didn't raise any alarms to him.
According to this dipshit narrator the banging didn't help Gonzalez hit. "Its just that the Astros were a different team in 2017."
@@MrSimmies lol thats cuz we were. yall can whine and cry abt this scandal all you want but we will always be the 2017 World Champs. Every single mlb team steals signs, hell even my 11 year old little league team did. The 2017 Astros were filthy, and no doubt the best team in the mlb. Springer, Altuve, Correa, Bregman, Yuli... the list goes on and on. Go Stros.
POV: I am watching this 3 hours before Game 1 of the 2021 World Series
I am watching this after game 4 in Atlanta when there was a TON of whistling…. But it was probably Braves fans just trying to screw with astros
@@stevesand8845 watching this while braves are about to win World Series
@@reidmichaelson7260 that didn’t age well
In watching this 1 hours before the game 6 lol
@@reidmichaelson7260 when?
If you're stealing signs a lot of the time, and it's helping you, you expect to hit better when you're not sign stealing too -- because teams can't effectively scout you.
Great point
Requinix17 this is actually genius
Jonathan Cassels it’s also in the head of the pitchers, what do you throw when they know what’s coming?
silencesoloud12 wing that shit lol. Screw the signs, pitcher decides what throw .
@@jonboy9734 Alot of the signs is because the catcher has to know what is coming, so he can set up properly and expect a ball to break or not. Great catchers make great pitchers look even better. Even if a pitcher only throws like 1 pitch, the catcher has to know the location. It's incredible the movement of the ball, and time the pitch reaches the plate.
Catchers get crossed up all the time. Sometimes harder to catch than it is to hit.
I think teams should have a trash can promotion conviently during EVERY SINGLE Astros game!
🤣🤣🤣 that's right Elizabeth
If not for covid I guarantee the Rangers would have had Trashcan Day every time they played
@Jack. L
Hey guys
@Jack. ok duck who walks up to a lemonade stand
Boo them relentlessly at every ball park they visit. At every bat, never stop. Especially surrounding their dugout.
As a dodgers fan, we are gonna boo them out the angels stadium next year. Best believe it.
booing is not enough ,,, we need field level drunks to shout cheater at the top of their lungs while altuve/bregman/correa are on deck ,,, and even more important we need whole stadium chants of ''cheater'' as they walk to the plate
oh no, not boos.......anything but boos and jeers
don't boo everytime an astro comes to the plate everyone stamp there feet lol
Nah we need to throw beer bottles at their faces & hopefully get a good cut or two in
14:37 Marwyn Gonzalez, who had been a "meh" hitter up to that point, went absolutely ballistic that season. EXACTLY, because they were cheating. He never again hit like that and he never will.
Can you not just give somebody credit for a good season? His home road splits are crazy he still hit extremely well on the road.
@@Voltage-rs7op I think that Marwin Gonzalez is a serviceable player and in interviews, he comes across as a good man, which is what is important. But, looking coldly at the numbers, his 2017 OPS of .907 is insanely higher than the .689 he averaged during the other ten years of his career.
@@drbryant23 You cant compare a stat from a single season to an average, since one bad or good season within the math compared to the average can really change the averaged stat for better or for worse, giving false impressions
@@drbryant23 You were talking about Marwin Gonzalez on the post I responded
No dude, we should give the cheaters the benefit of the doubt. It doesn't matter that his only fantastic season coincided with when they were proven to be cheating, he was just on fire through totally legit means
3:49 When you get a girlfriend on May 19th
looool
W of a comment
Close it down because that comment wins the day.
LOL
LMFAO
“Plus vacating the title form the Astros won’t make the Dodgers feel any better.”
Actually yes it will
Edit: Ty all for the likes
Dodgers still don't get a ring out of it
Frederick Glass the Dodgers wouldn’t want it. They know they didn’t catch the last out. But it would feel justified that no one earned/won the title that year. That would be justice, which is what everyone in baseball wants/deserves.
The Astros won 2 out of 3 games in Houston and split 4 in LA. This isn't at all atypical of a World Series winner. The team that can legitimately claim to have been screwed is the New York Yankees. The home team won all seven games of the ALCS.
big8dog88 under normal conditions the split seems reasonable but bottom line they were caught cheating. Both Yankees and dodgers have legit gripe, don’t make this a lesser offense against the dodgers just because it fits the narrative under normal conditions
Dodgers didn’t cheat but now they’re thinking maybe they should’ve lol
Everyone: "The Astros should be suspended!"
MLB: "It's not possible."
Everyone: "No, it's necessary."
My mans pulled an Interstellar meme on us
When this happened, I was still pretty new to baseball, so I thought the Astros were *literally* stealing signs from the ballpark😂
@Josh Bowen *was
😂😂
@Josh Bowen Yes. You have never in your entire life misunderstood anything or thought something incredibly dumb. You've had an IQ of 175 since the day you were born and have never ever ever made a mistake. Indeed, you are the perfect human being, free of error.
@Josh Bowen that was unnecessary
😂 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Ripping the Astros AAAAND using Cave Story music? You just earned yourself a subscriber! Thank you, sincerely a Mariners fan! 🔵🟢
I am a lifelong Astros fan
But what they did is absolutely inexcusable
Blake Smith yeah for real ☹️
@Blake Smith My condolences to you... I'm a Dbacks fan and I can't imagine how it would make me feel knowing my team was doing that.
@@coyotelong4349 luckily we know for sure the D'backs werent stealing signs lol
You should be ashamed of your team
Blake Smith I imagine this really sucks for fans like you. Total bummer dude
This is so awesome to see, I know Farquhar irl, talked to him a lot during his rehab from brain surgery because I had just gotten back to playing baseball from my own brain surgery and he's a great guy, has a fantastic baseball IQ, sad his professional career got cut short by that aneurysm, but I have loads of respect for him.
Farquhar seems like a good dude. I'm glad he has a gig in baseball, even if he's not pitching anymore. That brain episode was no joke! He's lucky to be around!
@@FoolishBaseball very nice in person, and yeah he works out where I do in the off season, so everyone that goes there was super worried about him when it happened, everyone was so happy to see him back in there after he got out of the hospital... it was super cool for me to see his velo slowly climb back up as he regained his strength and stability. It was crazy that I could relate to him so closely since I was literally going through the same rehab process trying to get back on the mound from my own surgery for a couple aneurysms. Also, love the quality of your videos man, keep up the great work
punishment for the players ended up being nothing. I still can't believe they got to keep their 2017 ring. Absurd
12:10 I actually have a bat from ploffe he gave me when i was a kid as a twins player, broken at batting practice and he gave me it when i was the smallest and most insignificant kid there. great guy
He is a great guy I have a signed jersey form the last game he played as a twin
Go hawkeyes
I’ve never clicked on a notification so fast before. It was Tim Locastro fast. Zoom
Are you also an international art thief?
Foolish Baseball Please don’t reveal my secrets like this 😉
I clicked on it as fast as 8th inning angry Justin Verlander
But first. Wanna see Tim Locastro race Albert Pujols.
Clicked faster than my squad banging on trash cans
“Can you really suspend an entire baseball team?”
Does nobody remember the 1919 Black Sox scandal? Whole roster banned from the MLB if I do recall for throwing the game for money. It’s not much different, I’m sure some of the stars have clauses in their contracts that include bonuses for playoff series wins and a World Series wins like they do in the NBA. They profited by gaming the system. And as a Red Sox fan, they’re not much better off, I don’t see them taking away banners but Alex Cora did the right thing by stepping down and didn’t try to make a fool of himself. Apple Watches or trash cans, cheating is cheating.
Both AJ Hinch and Alex Cora got hired later on as managers. Only Carlos Beltran didn’t get another job as manager.
Given that nobody watching this today was alive in 1919 what do you think lol
Every one of them should have been thrown out of MLB
It wasn't the entire roster, it was 8 players
SP Eddie Cicotte
SP Lefty Williams
1B Chick Gandil
SS Swede Risberg
3B Buck Weaver
INF Fred McMullin
CF Happy Felsch
and of course, LF Joe Jackson
The way that the league handled this was just a complete embarrassment to baseball And pretty much just summed up why the game is struggling to attract attention These days
I agree... to completely ignore comments from a Dodgers employee to Tom Verducci that they were cheating much worse makes it appear to be uneven enforcement of the rules...
I have to believe that the Astro’s announcers/broadcasters that spend so much time at the park and with the team had to have known about it too.
I'm sure of it. I'm also sure that LBJ conspired with the CIA and the FBI to assassinate JKF so he could expand the war in Vietnam.
@@tooterooterville What has LeBron James got to do with this?
Even the mascot too lol
@@cullensbiggestfan1 he was referring to Lyndon B Johnson
I played against the stros in MLB 19 the show and I heard the same banging of the trash can...
NewWaveFan1 lol
Did they beat you ?
Did you get a buzz?
NewWaveFan1 😂
Hope they make the controller vibrate to simulate the buzzers.
Bang bang, they stole the signs.
Bang bang, They hit the ball.
Bang bang, that awful sound
Bang bang, Them Astros filmed me down
nicely done
Carlos Correa walkup theme?
This is one of the best TH-cam comments EVERRRRRRRRRRRRR
Ball 4. It's like he knows what pitches are coming! What discipline.
Bravo!
Dropping this after the rangers won the 2023 world series. I'm a Rangers fan deep in Astros territory and the fastest way to turn friendly banter into legit anger from a stros fan is to even mention a trashcan.
Fuck em. They know what they did. They're just too cowardly to admit it.
Will the trashcan be put on ebay or at least in cooperstown?
I would actually buy that if it was in my price range and on ebay 😂
It had a WS Ring made for it, and was given a 3/35 extension.
Trash can da real MVP.
Sarcastically Explained actually theyre going to use it as a stand for their trophy
Management done put a hit on it, It's already been tossed into a dump somewhere.....to avoid being finger printed and what not.
Let’s wait for the MLB to reply to this one. lol.
Unlikely!
Hopefully tho
TheSportReel - This accusation is fake news. Yanks have the worst fans in baseball.
@@JFairhart Cheatstros fan
JFairhart FB is a Braves fan lmao
For those who are interested:
Music from Cave Story OST
by Daisuke “Pixel” Amaya
Time stamps:
0:00 Main Theme/Plantation (Title 26)
0:44 Access (Title 01)
1:59 Balrog’s Theme (Title 05)
2:57 Victory! (Title 40)
3:59 Geothermal (Title 19)
4:57 Break Down (Title 32)
6:14 Game Over (Title 41)
7:06 Gravity (Title 06)
7:38 Jenka 1 (Title 16)
9:46 Living Waterway (Title 21)
11:01 Hero’s End (Title 25)
11:19 Eyes of Flame (Title 12)
13:00 Meltdown [Original] (N/A- Meltdown 2 was the only Meltdown track entered into the game, which is Title 13)
14:22 Mimiga Town (Title 03)
16:22 Moonsong (Title 24)
17:15 Mischievous Robot (Title 09)
18:23 Run! (Title 15)
19:47 Toroko’s Theme (Title 36)
20:30 The Way Back Home (Title 35)
PLAY CAVE STORY!
I knew the music was from a game that I played but I couldn't put my finger on it until just now.
BryanH0073 Favorite track?
Moonsong.
BryanH0073 Yeah, that one’s a really good one. Personally I would have to go with Oppression, but I like Moonsong as well.
What the fuck is this
Can you imagine how much time you save and how much extra rest you could have if you didn't need to prepare for pitchers? No staying up all night watching video, no studying scouting reports of opposing pitchers and their tendencies. Just listen for bangs. What a huge, huge advantage.
How much cheating helped or hurt is completely irrelevant.
You cheat you undermine the integrity of the sport. You gotta go.
The thing is that this isn't a game for these people. It's a game to us, because we watch it to be entertained. But that's what these people do for a job. Playing a sport at a high level is pretty precarious, a couple bad seasons and you can be out the door, especially if you're a rookie or a veteran.
The Astros stole signs for the same reason that dudes took steroids in the 90's and 2000's. Good years extend careers. The organization absolutely should have been punished harder, maybe more draft pick forfeitures, maybe loss of international amateur signing money or something. But the players? I can't fault them, because I'd do the exact same thing in their shoes.
@@evantiesman4165 I agree with you wholeheartedly. Organization itself should have been punished significantly, and the fact that they weren't is much worse than the fact that nothing happened to the players.
@@evantiesman4165 that is EXACTLY WHY they needed to make an example of every single one of them. Yeah you'd do the same in their shoes, because you know the MLB isn't gonna take it seriously. That calculus changes if you could face a lifetime ban.
Wonder if you're keeping that same energy with the foreign substance cheating nearly every pitcher did on every team.
@@9e7exkbzvwpf7c of course. Get that shit outta sports. It's unhealthy and sets a bad precedent for the children who look up to sports figures or want to be athletes themselves.
Every kid at some point dreamed of being a pro athlete. Do you really want steroids as a cost of entry for them?
We hold these guys up and give them millions of dollars. The least they can do is not cheat.
I've been waiting for specifically this video since the scandal broke out. So great to see!
Wasn't sure if I should tackle it, but it seemed like the right time.
me too.. I have been looking for any updates regarding this SCANDAL.... just have to wait and see IF MLB is actually going to do something or just sweep it under the rug ?? be hard to do that though.. one thing is for sure now.. EVERY game will be scrutinized across the board.. and I'm glad for that.. America's favorite past time huh ??? CORRUPTION never stops I guess ???
The 2 best baseball youtubers, this is going to be a banger! Even louder bang than the Astros garbage can makes
nice
The three best. True RGM don't cut yourself short.
Dadum chhhhhhhhhhhh
Ikr? I saw Jonboys name and was like🥒💦💦💦💦💦💦💦💦💦💦
Truly the greatest crossover of all time, Jomboy Media and Foolish Baseball
MLB...."Houston, we have a problem."
Altuve sitting on Chapman's breaking ball and not respecting his 101MPH fastball in a fastball situation is all the proof I need
I’m a cubs fan but you can’t even call that a breaking ball, it was basically a slower fastball😂
If that’s “all the proof you need” then I’m sorry you just don’t understand the game of baseball and his approach
5'5 leanin in on 101,I fuckin hate altuve,plus it was contract year,theif
@@michaelrosadolanderos326 it was a slider actually
@@Booshie what dont I understand? Chapman is a fastball pitcher who throws 101mph..his slider is only devastating because hitters have to respect the fastball. There's just no way he sits back and wants on a breaking ball unless he knew it was coming
Anyone else here after the buzzer theory is getting huge
meeeeee
Present
I'm here to find out what is going on lol
Have a hard time believing you can hear a garbage can in a playoff game. MLB is hiding the buzzers to save face
Altuve said MLB investigated and didn't find anything about him wearing a buzzer. He told Scott Boras he didn't wear one. Nothing to see here. Move along.
I remember waking up and wondering why random Astros games were recommended to me, then I saw the news on Twitter lol
Put an asterisk next to their Title.
Jim Crane said he has high standards and therefore he went above MLB punishment by firing Hinch and Luhnow. But he claims his 2017 Title is legit. So much for his high standards and went above MLB
What kind of deal did Crane make with Manfred and MLB? Crane should have been suspended, also, along with losing international bonus pool money.
You are more than welcome to put an asterisk next to the 2017 title, but if you do you better understand there are about three dozen more you can put in that same category for the same damn reason.
What if Bobby Thompson‘s “shot heard round the world“ came as a result of the sign stealing the Giants were doing?
This was not an Astros problem. If one idiotic pitcher didn’t take a shot at his former team because he didn’t like where his career wound up we wouldn’t be discussing any of this. The Astros would be right there with the Yankees and the Dodgers as teams rumored to have cheated beyond in 2017 and beyond.
• In 2017 he (Manfred) fined the Red Sox for stealing signs off the replay monitor and transmitting them with a smart watch. He also **fined the Yankees** for improper use of the dugout phone to gain information off the replay monitor.
!!!LOOK!!! -> • In 2018 he received so many complaints about teams stealing signs electronically that in the postseason he stationed MLB security officials near every replay monitor and dugout to try to ensure a fair game-the baseball version of calling in the National Guard to an emergency.
@@macpipkin What about the 8 other teams the Astros told MLB were cheating and Manfred swept it under the rug?
MLB started this whole problem by instituting the challenge replay system and having replay monitors teams could look at before challenging a play. Get rid of that. Turn off the TVs in the clubhouses. No replays anywhere that are not available to the fans in the stands.
The Astros, especially the players, deserve all the grief they get, but the fans should make sure their team's own house is in order.
@@macpipkin Fiers is not an idiotic pitcher. His timing could have been better, but at least someone finally stepped up and said something. Hinch said in a press conference that if someone has an issue with the way they do something don't hide behind anonymous comments but their name on it. Fiers did that, and here we are. He could have chosen to remain anonymous, and he knew he could be blackballed by his teammates or other clubs. There is always time to do what is right, and the Astros and the team's management had three years to do what's right and didn't.
Signs or not you still gotta hit the ball and everything else all this is gonna do is make them want to prove they don't' have to cheat to win. This is a question of personal honor i doubt if all the players chose to win by cheating, that's bullshit.
The 2 bit video game sounds effects got me! Keep using them in future videos!
I didn’t know I needed this collab in my life until now
This is now my favorite channel on TH-cam. Thanks for doing this man I get a lot of enjoyment out of this
The amount of credit this guy gives is really satisfying to watch lol
I was at game 6 for the WS in 2017 and I do remember looking at the Astros bullpen and seeing the catcher standing close to the fence with his hands on it.
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They didn't just stole signs, wins and championship. They stole away people's livelihoods and careers. The worst part was the organisation and people involved didn't appologize sincerely which led their fans to feel unremorseful about the scandal.
Dispersal draft of every player on the 40 man roster. All new talent must come from the minor league system and waivers, no free agent signings for seven years.
That’s awesome lol honestly
TehitsGonzo Let’s say they win 55 games the first year and improve by five games a year for the next six years. They will then be an 85 win team with all homegrown talent and will be able to add free agents to their now prime core and they have half a chance of becoming a wild card contender.
The punishments discussed to this point are risible.
Manfred like all commissioners works for the owners, not “the game,” smh.
The three batter rule is positively idiotic.
A plan like this would not be viable
Lxn _ni Perhaps you can break away from your adolescent Asian cultural obsessions long enough to articulate your reasoning and moreover your superior plan.
Shake any tree and a hundred critics will fall out along with one person who has done something.
@@IAm-qf2xb you are stupid think it's viable one no player in the league would be able to trust the mlb again. It would more than likely breach player contracts. Other teams already have full rosters and back ups it would cause innocent people to loose there jobs. What teams would get what players? Do good teams get the good ones and bad teams get the bad ones?
Jomboy and Foolish baseball? This might be my favorite video of all time.
Glad to hear it!
Disagree. Jomboy as little to no integrity. I encourage Foolish Baseball to use his more objective and rational approach to assessing information, and apply it to Jomboy's ability to receive criticism.
Jomboy comically highlights antics all around the league but openly admits he refuses to do so for his own team. People unable to laugh at themselves, that is to say, see humor for what it is(honesty*), are insecure and dishonest people. Then, he further embarrasses himself by lashing out at those who criticized his own bias.
Perhaps most telling, was his response to Foolish Baseball's question about receiving criticism from Astros fans; He says, "I hope I have them all blocked by now". Censorship is something I will never endorse in life. He ostracizes small groups, those who defend the Astros, and those who laugh at the yankees' misfortunes. I cannot endorse(viewership is a form of consumption, the large the consumer base, the more advertisement funds are given) this either.
*Humor as Honesty: To paraphrase Aristotle, "comedy is the most true form of writing"
I typically wouldn't write anything as involved as this piece, if not for how intelligent Foolish Baseball appears to be. That previous statement was sad considering it's really simple stuff, so to be too involved these days isn't difficult to accomplish.
Disclaimer: I do not defend the Astros, nor do I hate the Yankees.
Kevin Stroh sir...this is a Wendy’s.
@@stukas07 Uh...where did this mega-rant come from?
@@stukas07 Dude, he’s clowned on Brett Gardner multiple times. So he does laugh at his own team.
Native Houstonian here. I think they deserve everything they have coming to them. It's only fair. The league has made strides over time to keep integrity intact, and the allegations are performance enhancing. Fair is fair, and it's better to have heavy consequences dealt rather than get a slap on the wrist and have a cloud of doubt hanging over you forever like the Patriots. At least that way we can say we paid for it.
Juan Antonio patriots fans have no cloud over their heads they don’t care, they claim those ships proudly. Also the averages prove that they did better away from home when they didn’t have the banging.
Also from Houston... the most upsetting thing to me is the character of the players that are now called into question. George Springer, Jose Altuve, and Alex Bregman are all class acts, or so I thought. Hope they had nothing to do with it, but honestly they probably did. Interesting to see how far the cheating goes, whether it delves into the pitching side of things or not...
How the nfl deals with the patriots has nothing to do with how mlb should punish the astros. As far as the home vs road record, so what.
fightsports66 I’m not here to argue what right or wrong I’m just stating the truth i haven’t meant a single patriots fan that cares that they go got caught cheating and the banging was not performance enhancing, if the league wants to punish them that’s their decision. I was just rebutting the initial comment
@@marrigtherebel3133 My point wasn't about Patriots fans caring, because they clearly don't. But everyone else does, you can't talk about the Patriots without someone bringing up the cheating. It'll be the same thing for the Astros, unless they can win one legitimately, and even then, the stigma will linger until Hinch and the core of that 2017 team are all gone. And for the other guy responding about the MLB looking to the NFL for punishment, they obviously won't. I didn't write anything close to implying that.
And yet Pete Rose isn’t in the hall of fame.
He bet on some games as a manager after his playing career and never against his team and yet a team who outright stole a chip and directly affected hundreds of games gets like no punishment.
Because he agreed to a lifetime banned, signed his name to the document, in exchange for MLB not revealing the details. One asshole being a bit less of an asshole than a bunch of other assholes doesn't mean we should suddenly go easy on the first asshole.
@@ElCrab not saying to go easy on Pete, just go harder on the astros. I think you misunderstood the point of the comment
@@picoxd4339: I was replying to the OP, who I'm not sure is arguing exactly the same. I think Pete Rose is exactly where he should be, and that the Astros should have had the book thrown at them. I appreciate that you also think Houston should have been punished more than they were. Cheers.
Rose is so overrated.
"He does have ties to the club..."
Proceeds to show photograph of Kyle McLaughlin wearing club tie.
Dude, don't go changin'.
‘catches wife in bed with another guy...’
Foolish baseball: “yeah, but what does that prove?”
I mean the astros love to bang things 😂
"I am intelligent because I'm playing both sides and acting like cheating gives no significant advantages"
The player that was struggling could very likely be Brian McCann. He joined the Astros in 2017 after the Yankess; hit .300 at home in the world series vs .037 away.
@@AdamFerrari64 Doesn't matter, McCann retired at the end of 2019 season after the Braves lost to the Cards in the playoffs. Not much MLB can do to him, he isn't HOF good, so they can't do a thing to him unless he plans to coach, but he never said he had any plans to do anything of the sort.
@@MountainFisher If it really is McCann, then a permaban from baseball seems to be the best punishment, like what Foolish said
It said that the (unknown player) benefited from sign stealing on his last team. Obviously of all teams the Yankees would have some kind of sign stealing system (probably not as cheaty as this one but still).
@@averageo2343 Precisely, the history of cheating in MLB is long.
@average0 the Yankees cheat just as much as other teams but they don’t use sign stealing systems like Houston maybe a little extra pine tar here and there but that’s not anything different from anyone else why are the Yankees always targeted the fucking Red Sox had apple watches and they barely got flamed for it
Imagine if this was like back in the 70s when fans ran on the field when altuve hit the Homerun to win the 2019 ALCS a fan just like was celebrating and completely ripped his jersey off and the whole buzzer appeared 😂😂
17:30 "the regular season results aren't as tremendous as one would think"
Astros- wins AL West by 20 games and wins the world series
Also an extremely talented team regardless of trash can banging. The rest of the AL West were nowhere near the Stros
@Braydon Wilson They may have used something else on the road. We'll never know. Regardless they were a really good team, the just got greedy.
@@xeriovds546 I think the sign stealing may have helped but you're right, they were definitely a premier team. It's important to account for the talent in the rest of the AL West too when making a conclusion. Either way, its going to be an interesting season whenever baseball starts again
@Braydon Wilson Theres no evidence of cheating this badly anywhere else to my knowledge but you never know
@Braydon Wilson bleacherreport.com/articles/2871359-logan-morrison-so-many-mlb-teams-cheat-using-video-names-yankees-dodgers we do know. Logan Morrison played for a while so I trust him
The irony in this is, the fact that they are now going to be a trashcan of a baseball team. Beat on that! 😏
PRYVTgomerPYLE, they lost no players, still have a great farm team, and coaches don’t have the same impact on the game like in football
I highly doubt that... They're still all really good players and they have some of the best pitchers.
@@Andrea-ul7cm You do realize that the constant trolling is going to make their 'away games' a literal nightmare, correct? Besides, it was a joke... Learn to laugh a little.
PRYVTgomerPYLE Like their away game wasn’t hard enough already. Y’all are stupid sometimes... As for the joke, it wasn’t funny
@@Andrea-ul7cm and now it will be harder, correct? Then kindly stfu... I believe there are a few people that liked the comment, so I cannot be the only one who found it funny...
Man I can’t wait to hear the Astros get heckled by every crowd they play in going forward
Quarantine is delaying the inevitable
"Bangin on a Trash Can...
Drummin on a Street Light..."
@Braydon Wilson I'm an Orioles fan, so you picked two of my favorite targets. I'd choose Maroon 5's Payphone for the Red Sox after Big Sloppy's 2013 tantrum. As for the Yankees, you could insert any generic auto-tuned rap song which brags about boatloads of money.
Crowd lol
well this aged well
Great video, completely disagree with the arguments against removing their title. It is absolutely necessary to discourage this kind of unsportsmanlike behavior. The very essence of sports is that we compete against each other on a level playing field. It’s what we teach kids from an early age. Letting them get away with it signals that we don’t prioritize fairness over winning, which is catastrophic.
Manfred should have had the balls to step up and show what kind of leader he is as commissioner of the league, but instead he acted cowardly. Sad to know that’s the guy in charge of baseball at the moment.
@@lostalone9320 "surely nobody will do bad things as long as we say they shouldn't" - a literal 6 year old
@@tylerlackey1175 If they dont make rules, they cant enforce them, its that simple. If they do, the team can just go to court and say "well, what we did was not prohibited by the rulebook, which means that it was completely legal". Trust me, people like these exist on this world
tbf isn’t the investigation still ongoing ?
MLB needs to vacate the title. Just leave an asterisk.
or not champion in that year and down put astros didnt play fair! xD
Or a Trashcan emoji
Keep crying lol
They should but doubtful it'll happen
@@theinsidecradle3339 well good! Because Houston is 2017 champions whether you like it or not lol 🔥🔥🔥
Y'know what nobody is talking about, but they should? The fact that this makes the Nationals World Series win even more impressive. Not only did the Nationals have to face one of the best teams in baseball, they had to try and counter their cheating as well.
@Jack. Nationals had four sets of signs because they were warned of the Astros stealing signs
@Jack. You’re mad haha yes they did until the World Series and during the World Series they tried to but knew they were already exposed
Wasn't that the World Series where the road team won every game?
braves too
@@ChrisDMV301 Every team has sets of signs in the postseason, that proves nothing
Great video!
A couple points/questions:
1) I can't hear the trashcan banging with the audio cuts. Like at all, for the life of me. Anyone else?
2) Marwin Gonzales seems like a perfect candidate for struggling hitter who got significantly better in 2017. Any sleuths out there got any deeper insight?
3) Strikeout rate isn't the only stat that will improve knowing signs. In fact, if you get comfortable taking certain pitches you're liable to go down looking if the pitcher paints corners. Batting average will go up because timing is everything for solid contact. Many of the Astros had suspiciously-coordinated career years.
I heard a few of the bangs.
You can hear it better with earphones :)
Crazy how they never got the title stripped
Then a lot of titles in the MLB of teams that cheated will be stripped in the past if that happened
As a Royals fan, in 2015 when the Boys in Blue ripped their hearts out with that magnificent comeback in game 4, I couldn't help but think that that had to be so heartbreaking for the Astros to be that close to winning. But when all this shit went down, I can't tell you how much happier it made me that my guys fucked with their world.
I'll go back to watching my crappy baseball team now, thank you.
28-70 💀
@@ChubyBoiwe earned our ring
that home run by george springer was so funny, he clobbered that curveball like it was batting practice or a pitching machine 😂😂
Then Toronto gave him $150 million dollars to play for them :)
Based on the history of baseball the only bans have been for gambling. (See black socks and Pete Rose) Cheating to win apparently they don't punish.
Tbf the NFL allowed this with the Patriots too so it’s not just MLB
What's sad is that every player knew. Says a lot about people beyond baseball and athletes.
What about the other coaches on the Astros staff? You telling me they didn't know about the sign stealing but yet did nothing to stop it? MLB needs to clean house with the Astros, and the Red Sox, if it's proven they stole signs.
Right? Like NO ONE noticed the monitor and trashcan that they walked by everytime they went to the dug out?
@@waydebaker33 It was all a bunch of see no evil, hear no evil and speak no evil. The whole bunch deserves to get painted with the cheaters brush forever.
@@slundgr I'm not in any of their shoes, so I'll try not to be to judgemental, but.... Pete Rose and Shoeless Joe both better be in the HOF before any of them.
@@waydebaker33 None of them deserve to be in there. Cheaters are cheaters. Same with the PED users. It's also why I don't hold the HOF in high esteem anymore. It's tainted.
@@slundgr wheres the proof Shoeless Joe cheated? He was ACCUSED of taking money to throw the WS yet he hit like .375 with 12 RBI and a OPS of .950 something...that doesn't seem like stats of someone who was trying to throw the WS....ijs.
i was disappointed astros play for my town and we were shocked when we found out
Thank you for not being biased and actually having a open mindset
Seems so obvious in retrospect, that trash can banging, it seems hard to believe that no one on the other teams ever figured this shit out...
“They sure seem to be banging that trash can every time we throw a breaking ball...”
Who’s here after dodgers winning 2020 WS
lol
Must be nice to play fair baseball
OH YEAH BABY
Are you implying that the Nationals cheated last year
@@zachb1344 nah the astros cheated the dodgers in 2017 the Nationals almost got cheated
They were better on the road than at home in 2017. What if they found a way to steal signs on the road as well? They have more than one way of relaying signs, what if the trash banging was the easiest method, which is why they did it at home, but they had a different method that worked fine on the road (e.g. the bullpen catcher with the hands)?
The Houston Astros think people have forgotten… Pepperidge Farms remembers
“Can you really suspend a whole team?”
*Laughs in Kennesaw Mountain Landis*
Wouldn't have happened with the modern MLBPA.
Stealing signs is a game within the game. I mean that by having a runner on second look and try to figure out the sign system. Not a camera from center field zoomed in and using trash cans every single pitch. I’ve actually heard of teams putting down multiple signs with no one on base to disguise the signs when they played the Astros
Gerrit cole: * goes to yankees *
Me being a yankee fan: *EXPOSE THEM NOW*
G⃠r⃠a⃠c⃠e⃠_G⃠a⃠c⃠h⃠a⃠ fax 😂😂😂
William Hough well no, no they didn’t... they’re a fair team... that’s why gerrit cole left
William Hough and the Sox were the ones that cheated not the Yankees. The Yankees had players that cheated, not the whole team. But every team has had one of those so you can’t just point the Yankees out for that
Mr. Freeze okay I admit there were single players that cheated, *ASTROS FAN,* but every team has those kind of people, *INCLUDING THE ASTROS*
Mr. Freeze so tell me, what was the scandal, because all that was there was a-rod, who no one likes
Lived in Houston at the time, honestly everyone was all for the astros that year, I was just watching tbh, I really hope they do shit next year, cheaters should never win
Seth Farter chill bro
Seth Farter so what you’re trying to say is people in Houston don’t have common sense and if they do they don’t belong
Seth Farter clown, I live in Houston and midland lol, I can tell you’re a bum hurt Astro’s fan
I live in Houston, can tell u probaly didn't and are not much of a sports fan. Sure, what they did is wrong, but u don't switch up on your team of the place u live in. Tf
Yet they do.
Imagine needing to cheat against the Mariners! XD -M's Fan
roy canuck right😂
@@xkrislandx8829 ikr xD
Dude we kicked their asses in 2017 tho until we started choking after the all star game
the cave story music as soon as the video starts really sets the mood