@@necrobynerton7384 mostly optical I think, there's a tiny sensor and a huge barrel lens, not the best quality, but you can get very large and clear pictures of the moon
@@pizza.doctor In that case it must be optical then. I have a camera that goes i think 25x optical zoom and about 1000x digital Believe me when i say you can see only pixels at that setting lol
DON'T do it!!!! The zoom is nice but the reason they have such a huge zoom is 2 fold, the sensor is so small that picture quality is not great on blow ups and the camera weighs a ton!! For the price of the camera you can get an amazing spotting scope......
Good video!! i seriously think you are the one person on youtube that actually shows ranges and values of the scopes and how targets look through the glass. GREAT JOB, KEEP IT UP!
Hey dude I really appreciate the feedback, the designer of the scope mount asked if I could make this style video. He said it was something he searched for hours but couldn’t find any info on. So I have one more in mind I want to record.
No problem man , i am seriously telling you this was the video i was searching for also , i have like a cheap scope but want to upgrade, this really hit the nail on the head lol . i do have a wish list though if you are interested in making more videos haha. I do want to see a Swarovski vs a razor vortex get my meaning hahaha ? again, only if possible
I concur with everything you said! Awesome video West Desert Shooter! Keep em coming, you're the only person doing these quality videos of scope comparisons with zoom values that we can actually witness in real world shooting scenarios! Good stuff and it's much appreciated!! Semper Fi!
From your video then I realized what my friend who police special force said 3 years ago. He said for 308 sniper rifle which could easly shoot 800 mtr....just use higher mag of scope if could.... more than 25x or better 50x cause you could see the head target clearly. I said yes but the price of 50x scope will be 5x than the rifle itself :-D
Very nice. Viewers need to keep in mind that this video was made at known distances. To calculate a distance using reticle's subtensions it's easier with the first focal plane scope, in this case it's the Vortex. Shooting at a known distances, it's the shooter's discretion.
Finally... I realize that this videos 2+ year old, but that is about how long I have been looking for one that shows a side-by-side comparison while zooming through all the ranges. Thank You!
While I am late to this video, I feel duty bound to comment that this is the single most valuable content I have found thus far discussing FFP and SFP. Thank you so much for this!
Very useful video for people like me, who are new to guns & scopes. Gives one a good idea of how much magnification one needs at various ranges. Thanks!
Sightron and Vortex are two brands of scope that are best buys for the money spent. As the owner of several Sightron and Vortex rifle scopes, my observation in a very general sense about these two brands is as follow: Vortex: More features, better thought out design and ergonomics, more durably built. Excellent unlimited warranty, but you are likely to need it. Sightron: Better glasses, very accurate horizontal and vertical adjustments especially nearing the limit of adjustment range, and less critical eye relief at high magnification. Average limited warranty, but you are unlikely to need it.
@@ccne11 - Yes. Quality issues especially in Vortex's lower line of scopes made in China. The middle-high to high end lines such as the Viper, Razor, and Golden Eagle that are made in the Philippines and Japan are much better and I've not encountered any problems with them. I also have a Diamondback and a Crossfire and both had to be sent back for repair. The seal on the ocular lens on the Diamond broke causing gas leak and fogging. The Crossfire had small metal debris inside the scope which indicates it was not properly cleaned before it was assembled.
@@ccne11 its all-personal experience. I own 5 vortex rifle scopes 3 of which are there lower end models haven't had a single issue with any of them since 2018 2 of them have been through alot of harsh hunting trips in extreme weather alaska prortland washington rains etc etc still zero issues.. He is right about slightron though they have very good glass
Both types of focal planes have pros and cons. Being a fan of FFP, I like the ability for the spotter to simply give me holds. Since the reticle grows and shrinks in proportion, the holds are true regardless of magnification. For detail work, quality FFPs don't meet in the center, giving you a very fine "empty" spot for detail work. I prefer this as it frames the impact point rather than obscuring it like a center dot on a SFP. Use both and see which one fits your personal style & needs appropriately. One thing I will say for both is that if you're hunting at dusk, an illuminated reticle can be quite helpful in a good number of situations.
I really appreciate the details you laid out in this video! The details certainly do reveal the specific operational use of the two zoom capabilities, and how the user will experience these. I dislike making judgements based on price points, rather judgement should be based on capability and useability.
I purchased my Vortex Viper HST 6-24x50mm new, for $549 while the lowest price I could find for the Sightron SIII 8-32x56 was $749 ..and while they're objective lens is 56mm, light is still limited by their 30mm tube ..plus Sightron doesn't offer a reticle that allows accurate ranging capabilities as does the Vortex VMR-1 MRAD reticle.
Thanks a lot my man! You have no idea how much this video helps me! I’m a sniper in the military, and I regret saying that I’ve killed as many people as I have. Over my career, some of those hostiles have been anywhere from 3 feet to 1.5 miles away. I’ve used many different scopes over my career, some good and some bad. In the past, when I’ve had a target that’s 1+ miles away in my sights (which really isn’t as uncommon as most people think). I’ve rarely taken the shot because I wasn’t confident giving away my position with the glass I had on my rifle at the time, and lots of times that was because of improper magnification to be confident enough to hit your target. Those of you who have been in my position before, know exactly what I mean when I say it’s EXTREMELY important to be as accurate as possible in life or death scenarios. If you don’t put that target out of action with your first shot, that gives him and his buddies time to get your location and make your life a living hell. Everyone knows that whether you’re shooting a .50 cal or a .22, at super long distances (1+ miles) every round is going to pack a lot less of a punch than it is at 300 yards, and yes some will lose more than others but still. At 1 mile, every shot has to be a kill shot, because a hostile that’s been shot in the arm or leg by a .338 round that’s traveled 1+ miles is still gonna be in A LOT of pain and it might slow him down a bit, but he’s still going to be able to give you hell. At shorter ranges like 3-400 yards a shot to the arm or the leg will likely immobilize them long enough for you to take another shot. When your in a position like that, you need to know that the glass you’ve got on your rifle is good enough and accurate enough to help you hit your target accurately. This video really helped me figure out just how much magnification suits my needs, much more than any of my teammates or CO’s have before.
Looking at getting my first long range scope. Never shot long range before so I was unsure how much magnification I would need. This was extremely helpful.
Hi Tom: I found the problem it was the scope it's self. I called Konus tech support and he walked me through some trouble shooting steps and determined it was a defective scope. So I returned it and two weeks to the day I had a brand new scope, you can not beat Konus for customer support. I mounted it last week and took it to the range and after three shots at 100 yd's and 5 clicks left I was put them on the X ring, can't beat that. Again thanks for the return help and for anyone out there looking for an affordable scope you should look into the Konus brand.
Why are you recommending a scope that way sold being defective. The idea is to not build a reputation on warranty claims but to have your product work right the first time. Nobody should be excited about a new rifle scope that doesn't work and has to be sent in.
I’m happy I found this video for so long I’ve wondered what a man size target looks like at 1mile and it’s actually bigger than I thought I was under the impression it looked like a speck.
West Desert Shooter I can see that but when you were on 12x at 1000 yards that man size target still looked decent and the reticle seemed very usable. At 1,500 yards I can definitely see 12x being to little though
I just watched your last video on a on a comparison of a 24x scope at 500 and 1000 yards only. It was very hard to see the targets until full zoom was achieved. In this video I picked up the targets almost immediately. Not sure what the difference between the two videos was. But this one seemed to be a lot better. Your video was on the suggested video page, so I clicked and so far your videos are looking awesome!
The first one I made was not really planned out and I was not stable. This one I knew what I wanted to talk about and show. I also used a bigger target to look at. Glad you noticed the difference. Thanks for watching!
Wow- excellent video. Really wish this was available 10 years ago- I know this will and has helped many out there getting into a scope for long range shooting!
OMG this helped so much... I'm having trouble choosing between a 2.5-10, a 4-16, and a 6-24 scope for 300yd to 1000yd engagements, and this video was exactly what I was looking for for the upper end of the scale. I would love a medium range scope guide (maybe 200 -> 600) just like this as I'm afraid the 6x (or even the 4x) might be too much at 200-300 on the "human sized" target in practical SHTF use cases. Love it and good work!
@@TheKylebreezyI got the 6-24. The 4-16 is probably enough for human sized targets as I rarely go above 14x, however the range I shoot at has 6" targets at 1000 yards, and the extra magnification is good for those, even if I have difficulty hitting them. The extra zoom will also help with target identification. The 24x also helps me spot for other people and call hits and misses more accurately. That said, if most of your shots are going to be inside 400 yards, the 6x minimum zoom can be a problem. I have trouble sometimes knowing if I'm looking at the 200 or 300 yd target. I also have a Christmas tree reticle, and at 24x you're zoomed in past the bottom of the reticle. I'm pretty happy with my choice, but only you know the conditions, ranges, and what your abilities are. Happy hunting.
The Sightron Long Range scope worked great for me at the 1,000 yrd. range and got it at a very reasonable price . To shoot at this particular range you had to qualify , prove to the powers that be that you know where that bullet is going ! Three first time hits on three different targets got the job done. After qualifying, then shot the 1,000 yrd target and got a hit first time out , the wind was from the right at 4 mph. The rifle was a Remington 700 / .308 cal. , shooting a Siera 190 gr HPBT Match hand loaded . The Sightron scope was a 6-24X50 with a second focal plane MOA-2 design. The scope was set at 14 power to give a better field of view. Thank You , Sightron !
I second what person below says about ranging and scope pics Outstanding information for anyone looking for new glass to aid in shot placement. Excellent detail and comparison of scopes keep them coming someone who finally gives us data we can use before dropping our hard earned dollars on new scopes. Thank you
This is video is exactly what I needed to see so as to determine or assess whether I purchased the right amount of zoom power on my scopes for my DMR and sniper build. Thanks! 😁
One of the benifits of having a large zoom and good glass for long range is not so much for seeing the targets but is very usful for being able to see the mirage for wind direction and strength. speciaily at a mile plus where you could have wind from serveral directions
I don’t normally comment, but I just had to let you know this is a great video! Really helped me to make a decision on which scope to buy. Thanks so much mate.
This was a really useful video thank you. I’m getting a 6.5 creedmoor put together and some people say more zoom is better. You make a lot of good points where I hunt and shoot 500 is a long shot 16x sounds perfect
When I first got into centrefire it was only when I found your video posts that things started to come together, thank you for that 😃. I had always liked the 243Win cartridge, so bought a second had Tikka T3X. It came with a cheap scope, so I went Vortex, unfortunately I could only afford a Diamondback but it works great for me. Then I went to your reloading videos and that helped me greatly, so thank you again for those. I would be interested in what you would deem to be a good Standard FPS deviation on ammo please? Please keep up the great work you do.
Awesome video. I was having difficulty deciding on a scope magnification level. I have a .308 looking to step up to a .338 Lapua. We have approximately 3/4 mile that can be used. I went ahead and bought a 8-32x50 before I saw this video. I guess I wont need that much but I'll have it if i need it. Thank you.
Great video. Really showed me you do not need all that much magnification to make the shot. I like having lots of magnification but it is not necessary for centre of mass... I like the Sightron fine centre also
Very good video and thanks. We don't have 1-mile ranges in the northeast. I hope I'm not repeating what someone else commented, but my understanding is that key to a SFP scope is that you have to set it on max-magnification for the turret settings or reticle markings to be correct to your shot. So really, you couldn't shoot 8x power at 1,000 yards as you suggested with the SFP and still be able to use turret settings or reticle markings accurately. Agree??
The turrets adjust in MOA at any range, but if your scope is on the wrong magnification you can’t use the marks in the reticle to measure and adjust from it wouldn’t move where you want. For holdover FFP is best
We shot 2,000 yards at 80F and could only use 14X because the mirage was excessive above that.
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FFP is very necessary if you actually use the scope for calculating distances to targets, like I am. SFP is useful for ELR shooting at known distances and not much else imo.
Great comparison. Both of my LRPRs have SFP scopes and they work for me. Gotta use the proper magnification for ranging, not too much of an issue though. CHEERS.
I love your videos. These videos where you drill down and get into one aspect of shooting are great. I've only had, until last year, one rifle with an optic, and it's a fixed power, so this video is real nice.
Longest shot I ever took was 880 yards or half a mile using a 6.5 creedmoor shooting at a water bottle like a 12 ounce regular one. Used my dope chart to adjust I think like 24 1/4 moa elevation and 3 1/2 moa windage has a strong crosswind. I don’t have any equipment like a rangefinder even I used google maps on my phone to range it which was actually super accurate and guessed on windage. Hit it in 2 shots. Rifle was howa hcr with vortex viper 6.5x20x44 using Winchester 125 grain bullets
I'm thinking of buying a 6.5 Creed (and scope) for my first venture into long range shooting. You content is invaluable as I decide what to buy. Thanks and great job. Been watching your other vids and the info really helps!
@@WestDesertShooter , the back round voice was extremely annoying when the scope zooms settings were announced, don't mix up 2 audios when one audio is the one that matters
Thats what i love about scopes, when i was younger i always thought you'd have to change things every time you zoom because it woudnt line up anymore, i didnt know the size didnt move in relation.
I think you missed a serious point. SFP allows for click values to only be accurate at max zoom on the turrets SFP, they hold the same value at all magnification
Yup, this part is very important if you need to use any of the in scope markings. FFP is what you want. Second focal plane requires it to be zoomed to specific spots to use the markings in the scope.
That’s just details, they are trying to up sale their scope compared to the vortex scope. Love how they say the reticle is useless at 6 power. This has biased info and I’d stay far away from this manufacturer.
The FFP reticle also doesn’t “get thicker” at max magnification, it covers the exact same amount of target real estate at every point in its travel. The target grows with it.
Pretty nice and informative video.From past days i am going through videos to see the best zoom shot by the scope and now i have it to be seen. Thanks for making this video.Keep up the good work mate.
Thanks for making this video! It was very helpful. I am interested in getting into long range shooting and have been having a hell of a time deciding what scope magnification to get. I was set on a fixed 6x42 for a long time due to the better field of view and exit pupil. After watching your video, I am pretty sure a fixed 10x would make things a lot easier.
Thanks man cool video very informative. My friend and I are heading to Wyoming next month and we're hoping to get out to a mile with my .260 so this was cool to see.
73Corbin not well... we went on blm right outside of newcastle. I bit off way more than i can chew. It was my first time shooting past 900 yards and i couldn't even hit at 1100 haha. Good experience tho definitely gonna keep trying! Heading out to south dakota at the end of next month and gonna hopefully get 1000 at least! Thanks for asking tho that's cool.
Playing out SHTF in my head and wondering if what scope I should get for my new DD5 .308 and this video helps me get a better grasp at what I would see with a 1-6 lpvo or something greater. I live in KY so 1,000 to 1 mile shots would be extremely unlikely…and further delving into SHTF scenarios, I’d likely not hit anything that far anyway lol
I chose the Vortex PST FFP 6-24x50 MRAD EBC-2 and a 20 MOA base. 20 MOA base just allows you to see closer to the center of glass rather than the outside edge for clarity. 1000 yards requires 11.9 mil of elevation or 40 MOA or elevation. The Vortex is capable of 19 mil or elevation. This leaves 7 mil x 3.5 = 24.5" at 100 yards. The Sightron maxes at 50 MOA of elevation. 1000 yards is 40 MOA of elevation which leaves 10 MOA x 1" = 10" at 100 yards. At 1/4 MOA clicks with 50 MOA possible that is way too many clicks for me to count in low light. Also with 32x mag even slight movements will make the target jump from fov. I shot out to 600 yard with the Vortex at 12X and just held over a little past the 5 mil line on reticle and hit steel with only two shots. The first shot I held at 4 mil line and saw it hit dirt directly in front of target and a little right with a left to right wind. I aimed at left shoulder of target and held 5 mil hit dead center of target a little above center mass. I really needed to be at 5.40 mil and I was aiming using 5 mil line so shots where maybe 4" low at 600 yards
Very nicely done. I am looking at the same size sightron, just for 300 to 700 yd shooting groups. Not an animal. Have a straight 4 power Leupold for Hunting. I shoot deer up to 300. No more. Looks as this size sightron will do nicely. Have never looked through one. Nice video you made. Thanks.
At least for my eyes a 12x is plenty powerful out to 700. I only wanted more when I went beyond the 1,200 yard line. Obviously it’s personal preference but don’t think that you need 32x to see 700. You can be very precise with a 12x at 700
I would have but it is comparable to both of these at 20 and that’s all it would show. These scopes can zoom in or out and show a lot more info. Thanks for watching though man!
My take away is that I made the right decision in getting a second focal plane scope. I bought a Vortex, who knows the Sightron may be better. With my 70 year old eyes I didn't think a FFP scope would be a good idea.
I find the different industries where magnification is used to be interesting: - Optical/Near-IR Astronomy - Microscopy - Firearm scopes/spotting scopes. I say it is interesting because; 1) with a microscope and short throw I can magnify up to 1000-1500 on a budget and extremely accurately, with super-fine adjustments for clarity: enough to make out cell structures./shapes and more. 2) with a telescope I can take something 100s of millions of miles away like Jupiter, focus on it, (some even auto-track for fast moving objects). Something that is the size of a pinhead or grain of sand can be turned into the size of a dime or quarter (depending on scope) Magnification is 20-150x usually. 3) Rifle scopes: ignoring bullet effective range (are usually capable of decent magnification out to about 1-2miles), but really excel in the 200-500yd range. Max magnification is usually somewhere between 4x and 24x, some as high as 60x. I see scope tech as being an area that has a long way to go
@@WestDesertShooter Copy that! I'll definitely keep looking for something in that near/at 20 range as well. What do you think you'd buy right now if money wasn't an issue?
I have a question........looking into these scopes at 500 yards (400 yards), what would the secret service snipers have clearly seen on top of that roof when looking through their scopes at Trump's would be assassin? Several videos clearly show the secret service snipers looking through their scopes toward the building that Thomas Matthew Crooks was on. Reports show that this building was 400 yards away. To me, they would have clearly seen the would be assassin and they would have clearly seen his weapon but maybe I am wrong. What would the secret service snipers have seen at 400 yards?
These campers are getting out of hand.
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@Hey bud Hmm *shot shot* you are dead and your words are worth nothing.
@KhakiPeach67 owh no....
@Corat no, no they dont
just attach a nikon p1000 to the top of the gun
(125X zoom)
what on earth are you gonna use 125x for? shooting a lady bug or somthin?
wait optical zoom? or is it digital?
@@necrobynerton7384 mostly optical I think, there's a tiny sensor and a huge barrel lens, not the best quality, but you can get very large and clear pictures of the moon
@@pizza.doctor In that case it must be optical then.
I have a camera that goes i think 25x optical zoom and about 1000x digital
Believe me when i say you can see only pixels at that setting lol
DON'T do it!!!!
The zoom is nice but the reason they have such a huge zoom is 2 fold, the sensor is so small that picture quality is not great on blow ups and the camera weighs a ton!!
For the price of the camera you can get an amazing spotting scope......
I can't even describe how helpful this is as I prepare to buy my next new scope!
Good video!! i seriously think you are the one person on youtube that actually shows ranges and values of the scopes and how targets look through the glass. GREAT JOB, KEEP IT UP!
Hey dude I really appreciate the feedback, the designer of the scope mount asked if I could make this style video. He said it was something he searched for hours but couldn’t find any info on. So I have one more in mind I want to record.
No problem man , i am seriously telling you this was the video i was searching for also , i have like a cheap scope but want to upgrade, this really hit the nail on the head lol . i do have a wish list though if you are interested in making more videos haha. I do want to see a Swarovski vs a razor vortex get my meaning hahaha ? again, only if possible
I concur with everything you said! Awesome video West Desert Shooter! Keep em coming, you're the only person doing these quality videos of scope comparisons with zoom values that we can actually witness in real world shooting scenarios! Good stuff and it's much appreciated!! Semper Fi!
From your video then I realized what my friend who police special force said 3 years ago. He said for 308 sniper rifle which could easly shoot 800 mtr....just use higher mag of scope if could.... more than 25x or better 50x cause you could see the head target clearly.
I said yes but the price of 50x scope will be 5x than the rifle itself :-D
i strongly agree
It's a pity the camera does not convey all the clarity and color reproduction
Very nice. Viewers need to keep in mind that this video was made at known distances. To calculate a distance using reticle's subtensions it's easier with the first focal plane scope, in this case it's the Vortex. Shooting at a known distances, it's the shooter's discretion.
Finally... I realize that this videos 2+ year old, but that is about how long I have been looking for one that shows a side-by-side comparison while zooming through all the ranges. Thank You!
While I am late to this video, I feel duty bound to comment that this is the single most valuable content I have found thus far discussing FFP and SFP. Thank you so much for this!
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Very useful video for people like me, who are new to guns & scopes. Gives one a good idea of how much magnification one needs at various ranges. Thanks!
It's really hard to visualize this stuff when you're just looking at numbers in a catalog. Thanks for this handy reference.
Battlefield: *laughs in 40x*
Lol
A 40x should probably be more powerful than battlefield 4 displayed tho.
Cod:cries in 8x
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Yes, this help knows what the different scope powers look like. Great vid thanks.
Sightron and Vortex are two brands of scope that are best buys for the money spent. As the owner of several Sightron and Vortex rifle scopes, my observation in a very general sense about these two brands is as follow:
Vortex: More features, better thought out design and ergonomics, more durably built. Excellent unlimited warranty, but you are likely to need it.
Sightron: Better glasses, very accurate horizontal and vertical adjustments especially nearing the limit of adjustment range, and less critical eye relief at high magnification. Average limited warranty, but you are unlikely to need it.
Why are you more likely to need it on the vortex? Quality issues?
@@ccne11 - Yes. Quality issues especially in Vortex's lower line of scopes made in China. The middle-high to high end lines such as the Viper, Razor, and Golden Eagle that are made in the Philippines and Japan are much better and I've not encountered any problems with them. I also have a Diamondback and a Crossfire and both had to be sent back for repair. The seal on the ocular lens on the Diamond broke causing gas leak and fogging. The Crossfire had small metal debris inside the scope which indicates it was not properly cleaned before it was assembled.
@@ccne11 its all-personal experience. I own 5 vortex rifle scopes 3 of which are there lower end models haven't had a single issue with any of them since 2018 2 of them have been through alot of harsh hunting trips in extreme weather alaska prortland washington rains etc etc still zero issues.. He is right about slightron though they have very good glass
@@F15ElectricEagle thanks for you input. What about the Vortex Taurus 5x30 56? Is that model worth it or it's mostly on the low to mid-range value?
Yes this is actually helpful. I had been wondering what kind of power I was looking for and this settles it as around 12-14 max.
Both types of focal planes have pros and cons. Being a fan of FFP, I like the ability for the spotter to simply give me holds. Since the reticle grows and shrinks in proportion, the holds are true regardless of magnification. For detail work, quality FFPs don't meet in the center, giving you a very fine "empty" spot for detail work. I prefer this as it frames the impact point rather than obscuring it like a center dot on a SFP. Use both and see which one fits your personal style & needs appropriately. One thing I will say for both is that if you're hunting at dusk, an illuminated reticle can be quite helpful in a good number of situations.
I really appreciate the details you laid out in this video! The details certainly do reveal the specific operational use of the two zoom capabilities, and how the user will experience these. I dislike making judgements based on price points, rather judgement should be based on capability and useability.
Excellent comparison contrast video! I've never seen this POV.
I purchased my Vortex Viper HST 6-24x50mm new, for $549 while the lowest price I could find for the Sightron SIII 8-32x56 was $749 ..and while they're objective lens is 56mm, light is still limited by their 30mm tube ..plus Sightron doesn't offer a reticle that allows accurate ranging capabilities as does the Vortex VMR-1 MRAD reticle.
Thanks I was wondering what 24 power looked like at 1000 yrs.
These are the videos people want to see for scopes!!!
Great video showing actual view through the scope’s various magnifications. 👍🏼
Thanks a lot my man! You have no idea how much this video helps me! I’m a sniper in the military, and I regret saying that I’ve killed as many people as I have. Over my career, some of those hostiles have been anywhere from 3 feet to 1.5 miles away. I’ve used many different scopes over my career, some good and some bad. In the past, when I’ve had a target that’s 1+ miles away in my sights (which really isn’t as uncommon as most people think). I’ve rarely taken the shot because I wasn’t confident giving away my position with the glass I had on my rifle at the time, and lots of times that was because of improper magnification to be confident enough to hit your target. Those of you who have been in my position before, know exactly what I mean when I say it’s EXTREMELY important to be as accurate as possible in life or death scenarios. If you don’t put that target out of action with your first shot, that gives him and his buddies time to get your location and make your life a living hell. Everyone knows that whether you’re shooting a .50 cal or a .22, at super long distances (1+ miles) every round is going to pack a lot less of a punch than it is at 300 yards, and yes some will lose more than others but still. At 1 mile, every shot has to be a kill shot, because a hostile that’s been shot in the arm or leg by a .338 round that’s traveled 1+ miles is still gonna be in A LOT of pain and it might slow him down a bit, but he’s still going to be able to give you hell. At shorter ranges like 3-400 yards a shot to the arm or the leg will likely immobilize them long enough for you to take another shot. When your in a position like that, you need to know that the glass you’ve got on your rifle is good enough and accurate enough to help you hit your target accurately. This video really helped me figure out just how much magnification suits my needs, much more than any of my teammates or CO’s have before.
The is literally THE. MOST. BS. post I've ever read in my entire life.
Looking at getting my first long range scope. Never shot long range before so I was unsure how much magnification I would need. This was extremely helpful.
This vid is perfect for someone like me who has no background with any scopes. it helped me decide how much magnification i wanted. Great work!
Hi Tom: I found the problem it was the scope it's self. I called Konus tech support and he walked me through some trouble shooting steps and determined it was a defective scope. So I returned it and two weeks to the day I had a brand new scope, you can not beat Konus for customer support. I mounted it last week and took it to the range and after three shots at 100 yd's and 5 clicks left I was put them on the X ring, can't beat that. Again thanks for the return help and for anyone out there looking for an affordable scope you should look into the Konus brand.
Why are you recommending a scope that way sold being defective. The idea is to not build a reputation on warranty claims but to have your product work right the first time. Nobody should be excited about a new rifle scope that doesn't work and has to be sent in.
I’m happy I found this video for so long I’ve wondered what a man size target looks like at 1mile and it’s actually bigger than I thought I was under the impression it looked like a speck.
With less magnification it does. I was at 1,500 yards last weekend and a 12x scope and I wished I had 16 or so
West Desert Shooter I can see that but when you were on 12x at 1000 yards that man size target still looked decent and the reticle seemed very usable. At 1,500 yards I can definitely see 12x being to little though
That trajectory at a mile was more impressive than anything else.
I just watched your last video on a on a comparison of a 24x scope at 500 and 1000 yards only. It was very hard to see the targets until full zoom was achieved. In this video I picked up the targets almost immediately. Not sure what the difference between the two videos was. But this one seemed to be a lot better. Your video was on the suggested video page, so I clicked and so far your videos are looking awesome!
The first one I made was not really planned out and I was not stable. This one I knew what I wanted to talk about and show. I also used a bigger target to look at. Glad you noticed the difference. Thanks for watching!
Wow- excellent video. Really wish this was available 10 years ago- I know this will and has helped many out there getting into a scope for long range shooting!
OMG this helped so much... I'm having trouble choosing between a 2.5-10, a 4-16, and a 6-24 scope for 300yd to 1000yd engagements, and this video was exactly what I was looking for for the upper end of the scale. I would love a medium range scope guide (maybe 200 -> 600) just like this as I'm afraid the 6x (or even the 4x) might be too much at 200-300 on the "human sized" target in practical SHTF use cases. Love it and good work!
Just add an offset sight set, or offset red dot.
Did you ever pick a scope I'm in the same boat?
@@TheKylebreezyI got the 6-24. The 4-16 is probably enough for human sized targets as I rarely go above 14x, however the range I shoot at has 6" targets at 1000 yards, and the extra magnification is good for those, even if I have difficulty hitting them. The extra zoom will also help with target identification. The 24x also helps me spot for other people and call hits and misses more accurately.
That said, if most of your shots are going to be inside 400 yards, the 6x minimum zoom can be a problem. I have trouble sometimes knowing if I'm looking at the 200 or 300 yd target. I also have a Christmas tree reticle, and at 24x you're zoomed in past the bottom of the reticle.
I'm pretty happy with my choice, but only you know the conditions, ranges, and what your abilities are. Happy hunting.
@mattwestlake6784 thanks a bunch think the 4-16 will do. Again thank you
I'm from Logan, I moved to NC two years ago but moving back to Utah in a few weeks. I Miss my home state.
The Sightron Long Range scope worked great for me at the 1,000 yrd. range and got it at a very reasonable price . To shoot at this particular range you had to qualify , prove to the powers that be that you know where that bullet is going ! Three first time hits on three different targets got the job done. After qualifying, then shot the 1,000 yrd target and got a hit first time out , the wind was from the right at 4 mph. The rifle was a Remington 700 / .308 cal. , shooting a Siera 190 gr HPBT Match hand loaded . The Sightron scope was a 6-24X50 with a second focal plane MOA-2 design. The scope was set at 14 power to give a better field of view. Thank You , Sightron !
I second what person below says about ranging and scope pics Outstanding information for anyone looking for new glass to aid in shot placement. Excellent detail and comparison of scopes keep them coming someone who finally gives us data we can use before dropping our hard earned dollars on new scopes. Thank you
Wow...your video really helps get a visual grasp on scope magnifications and actual distances..thank you so much..ive been well educated.
Great video, but overlaying two audio tracks is busy and I couldn't hear some of the scope power readings. Displaying those would be awesome!
Very interesting I like this video some of us don't get to see a 1000 yd
I went with the Sightron over the Vortex, though I went with the ffp version. It just edged the Vortex out. Both good scopes though. Great review.
Love the side by side comparison. Great job
This is video is exactly what I needed to see so as to determine or assess whether I purchased the right amount of zoom power on my scopes for my DMR and sniper build. Thanks! 😁
Thanks man. I was developing a sniper based video game and wanted to understand how snipers work. This was good, thank you
If you want more help please send me an email, I’d like to help you get it right! Accurate games are more fun
Like others said, great video. Fact without fluff. It left me with no questions regarding the subject matter.
One of the benifits of having a large zoom and good glass for long range is not so much for seeing the targets but is very usful for being able to see the mirage for wind direction and strength. speciaily at a mile plus where you could have wind from serveral directions
Thanks for the vid. Had high hopes for the Sightron but it failed IMHO. The optical aberration is way worse than with the Vortex.
I don’t normally comment, but I just had to let you know this is a great video! Really helped me to make a decision on which scope to buy. Thanks so much mate.
Much appreciated man, thanks for commenting. Glad you liked it
This was a really useful video thank you. I’m getting a 6.5 creedmoor put together and some people say more zoom is better. You make a lot of good points where I hunt and shoot 500 is a long shot 16x sounds perfect
When I first got into centrefire it was only when I found your video posts
that things started to come together, thank you for that 😃.
I had always liked the 243Win cartridge, so bought a second had Tikka T3X.
It came with a cheap scope, so I went Vortex, unfortunately I could only afford
a Diamondback but it works great for me.
Then I went to your reloading videos and that helped me greatly, so thank you again for those.
I would be interested in what you would deem to be a good Standard FPS deviation on ammo please?
Please keep up the great work you do.
Awesome video. I was having difficulty deciding on a scope magnification level. I have a .308 looking to step up to a .338 Lapua. We have approximately 3/4 mile that can be used. I went ahead and bought a 8-32x50 before I saw this video. I guess I wont need that much but I'll have it if i need it. Thank you.
Great video, man. This was the deciding factor for me choosing between FFP and SFP.
Awesome, which did you choose?
Great video.
Really showed me you do not need all that much magnification to make the shot.
I like having lots of magnification but it is not necessary for centre of mass...
I like the Sightron fine centre also
Very good video and thanks. We don't have 1-mile ranges in the northeast. I hope I'm not repeating what someone else commented, but my understanding is that key to a SFP scope is that you have to set it on max-magnification for the turret settings or reticle markings to be correct to your shot. So really, you couldn't shoot 8x power at 1,000 yards as you suggested with the SFP and still be able to use turret settings or reticle markings accurately. Agree??
The turrets adjust in MOA at any range, but if your scope is on the wrong magnification you can’t use the marks in the reticle to measure and adjust from it wouldn’t move where you want. For holdover FFP is best
Great video- I never tried making a YT video, but it looks like you put a lot of hours into putting it all together the way you did- Thank you-
These definitely take time to make. Thanks for appreciating the effort. I appreciate you watching the video, cheers!
@@WestDesertShooter looks like we may never know... I was also keen to see his answer
Fantastic as I helped me make a decision on scopes All the best for 2022
Thank you very much for sharing this information Sir. As a recreational LR shooter this helped a lot
We shot 2,000 yards at 80F and could only use 14X because the mirage was excessive above that.
FFP is very necessary if you actually use the scope for calculating distances to targets, like I am. SFP is useful for ELR shooting at known distances and not much else imo.
Great comparison. Both of my LRPRs have SFP scopes and they work for me. Gotta use the proper magnification for ranging, not too much of an issue though. CHEERS.
Exactly what I needed to make an informed decision. Thanks man!
Sightron seems to suck in more light as it’s got a brighter image which is great for low light shooting, thanks for your video 👍🏼
I love your videos. These videos where you drill down and get into one aspect of shooting are great. I've only had, until last year, one rifle with an optic, and it's a fixed power, so this video is real nice.
Thank you for posting this video. I’ve always wanted to see how targets look at those ranges through scopes
This video helped me so much. Looking at scopes to buy and this was great!
Longest shot I ever took was 880 yards or half a mile using a 6.5 creedmoor shooting at a water bottle like a 12 ounce regular one. Used my dope chart to adjust I think like 24 1/4 moa elevation and 3 1/2 moa windage has a strong crosswind. I don’t have any equipment like a rangefinder even I used google maps on my phone to range it which was actually super accurate and guessed on windage. Hit it in 2 shots. Rifle was howa hcr with vortex viper 6.5x20x44 using Winchester 125 grain bullets
I'm thinking of buying a 6.5 Creed (and scope) for my first venture into long range shooting. You content is invaluable as I decide what to buy. Thanks and great job. Been watching your other vids and the info really helps!
Finally a great video on scope magnification.
Thanks dude I really appreciate it. I’m glad you like it
@@WestDesertShooter , the back round voice was extremely annoying when the scope zooms settings were announced, don't mix up 2 audios when one audio is the one that matters
Thats what i love about scopes, when i was younger i always thought you'd have to change things every time you zoom because it woudnt line up anymore, i didnt know the size didnt move in relation.
Oracuda only true for FFP scopes so when you where a kid they probably didn’t. Since FFP scopes are fresh new hotness lol
I was waiting for this kind of scope view that is unprecedented
loved the video! it was very insightful. I wish this type of video was available for every scope I was looking to purchase lol.
I think you missed a serious point. SFP allows for click values to only be accurate at max zoom on the turrets SFP, they hold the same value at all magnification
Yup, this part is very important if you need to use any of the in scope markings. FFP is what you want. Second focal plane requires it to be zoomed to specific spots to use the markings in the scope.
That’s just details, they are trying to up sale their scope compared to the vortex scope. Love how they say the reticle is useless at 6 power. This has biased info and I’d stay far away from this manufacturer.
The FFP reticle also doesn’t “get thicker” at max magnification, it covers the exact same amount of target real estate at every point in its travel. The target grows with it.
Pretty nice and informative video.From past days i am going through videos to see the best zoom shot by the scope and now i have it to be seen. Thanks for making this video.Keep up the good work mate.
Now show the view under extreme mirage conditions so people get an idea what shooters have to contend with sometimes.
Thanks for making this video! It was very helpful. I am interested in getting into long range shooting and have been having a hell of a time deciding what scope magnification to get. I was set on a fixed 6x42 for a long time due to the better field of view and exit pupil. After watching your video, I am pretty sure a fixed 10x would make things a lot easier.
You saved many of us from too much glass. Thank you.
Zoom in any closer and you can see their thoughts
Thanks man cool video very informative. My friend and I are heading to Wyoming next month and we're hoping to get out to a mile with my .260 so this was cool to see.
73Corbin not well... we went on blm right outside of newcastle. I bit off way more than i can chew. It was my first time shooting past 900 yards and i couldn't even hit at 1100 haha. Good experience tho definitely gonna keep trying! Heading out to south dakota at the end of next month and gonna hopefully get 1000 at least! Thanks for asking tho that's cool.
Good,This video will come in handy when am never going to snipe
That was a very informative video which wasnt dragged out too long. Keep up the great work mate
I’m still liking your SWFA due to the cost for the quality. Good video man
Yeah me too but maybe someone who’s not sure which magnification to choose this could help them get an idea of the sight picture they would have
Playing out SHTF in my head and wondering if what scope I should get for my new DD5 .308 and this video helps me get a better grasp at what I would see with a 1-6 lpvo or something greater. I live in KY so 1,000 to 1 mile shots would be extremely unlikely…and further delving into SHTF scenarios, I’d likely not hit anything that far anyway lol
Great info and easily shows what the magnifications actually look like. Thanks
I chose the Vortex PST FFP 6-24x50 MRAD EBC-2 and a 20 MOA base. 20 MOA base just allows you to see closer to the center of glass rather than the outside edge for clarity. 1000 yards requires 11.9 mil of elevation or 40 MOA or elevation. The Vortex is capable of 19 mil or elevation. This leaves 7 mil x 3.5 = 24.5" at 100 yards. The Sightron maxes at 50 MOA of elevation. 1000 yards is 40 MOA of elevation which leaves 10 MOA x 1" = 10" at 100 yards. At 1/4 MOA clicks with 50 MOA possible that is way too many clicks for me to count in low light.
Also with 32x mag even slight movements will make the target jump from fov. I shot out to 600 yard with the Vortex at 12X and just held over a little past the 5 mil line on reticle and hit steel with only two shots. The first shot I held at 4 mil line and saw it hit dirt directly in front of target and a little right with a left to right wind. I aimed at left shoulder of target and held 5 mil hit dead center of target a little above center mass. I really needed to be at 5.40 mil and I was aiming using 5 mil line so shots where maybe 4" low at 600 yards
Very nicely done. I am looking at the same size sightron, just for 300 to 700 yd shooting groups. Not an animal. Have a straight 4 power Leupold for Hunting. I shoot deer up to 300. No more. Looks as this size sightron will do nicely. Have never looked through one. Nice video you made. Thanks.
At least for my eyes a 12x is plenty powerful out to 700. I only wanted more when I went beyond the 1,200 yard line. Obviously it’s personal preference but don’t think that you need 32x to see 700. You can be very precise with a 12x at 700
Great video!! Wish you rolled in the SWFA as a dark house 3rd comparison but I loved this breakdown and the side by side pictures/video was great
I would have but it is comparable to both of these at 20 and that’s all it would show. These scopes can zoom in or out and show a lot more info. Thanks for watching though man!
Staring into the center during the video messed with eyes, and for a few seconds I thought you were aiming at Jupiter.
Finally a video that is useful. Great job.
Awesome 👏🏻 thank you for sharing. Educational and entertaining at the same time. ❤
My take away is that I made the right decision in getting a second focal plane scope. I bought a Vortex, who knows the Sightron may be better. With my 70 year old eyes I didn't think a FFP scope would be a good idea.
Very cool video thank you, I’m looking to buy the best overall scope for my first 1 mile Shot ::
I find the different industries where magnification is used to be interesting:
- Optical/Near-IR Astronomy
- Microscopy
- Firearm scopes/spotting scopes.
I say it is interesting because;
1) with a microscope and short throw I can magnify up to 1000-1500 on a budget and extremely accurately, with super-fine adjustments for clarity: enough to make out cell structures./shapes and more.
2) with a telescope I can take something 100s of millions of miles away like Jupiter, focus on it, (some even auto-track for fast moving objects). Something that is the size of a pinhead or grain of sand can be turned into the size of a dime or quarter (depending on scope) Magnification is 20-150x usually.
3) Rifle scopes: ignoring bullet effective range (are usually capable of decent magnification out to about 1-2miles), but really excel in the 200-500yd range.
Max magnification is usually somewhere between 4x and 24x, some as high as 60x.
I see scope tech as being an area that has a long way to go
Thanks! I wanted to know what 12x zoom looked like at 500 yrds. Well done thanks!
Very good video bud , great viewing those distances through the scopes appreciate it 👍
Nice video. Basically what I thought, if can afford expensive scopes, isn't that hard of a shot.
Amazing scope for the price. wide light gathering ends and easy to see crosshairs. Mounting it on my .22 Savage. Watch out squirrels, here I come!
Long range shooting is so impressive.
Thanks! Very helpful. My PST Gen 1 is only 10x and hits nicely at 1,000, but I've been thinking about 14x-20x etc.
Yep I’ve shot my 12x at 1500 and still spotted impacts. It’s possible but not ideal
@@WestDesertShooter Copy that! I'll definitely keep looking for something in that near/at 20 range as well. What do you think you'd buy right now if money wasn't an issue?
I think the Strike Eagle by Vortex is a good bang for the buck with great magnification enough to go hunting with on a 308 AR-10.
I never really knew how scopes look like...this is cooool
Im Thankfully. Its best video to see what is best option for rifle scoops in long range shooting.👍
Nice vid, I still prefer 1st focal plane though for longer distances!
This is exactly what I was looking for. Awesome. Thanks man
I have a question........looking into these scopes at 500 yards (400 yards), what would the secret service snipers have clearly seen on top of that roof when looking through their scopes at Trump's would be assassin? Several videos clearly show the secret service snipers looking through their scopes toward the building that Thomas Matthew Crooks was on. Reports show that this building was 400 yards away. To me, they would have clearly seen the would be assassin and they would have clearly seen his weapon but maybe I am wrong. What would the secret service snipers have seen at 400 yards?