The highest power scope you can buy: March Majesta 8-80x56
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- A review of the March Majesta 8-80x56 scope, sponsored by Aura. Try Aura for free using my link aura.com/moondog
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Want one md
Never heard of the brand until now. But I can't imagine holding that thing still on a rifle at 80x
F-class prone and bench rest for sure.
That's crazy. You must not be into shooting very much.
@@mmgr.madminutegearreviews4562 not into long range and not from the US. They are not popular here in Europe.
@@mmgr.madminutegearreviews4562same here. I've known of March for quite some time now, they're high-end, they have some "ibteresting" options for sure, but they are certainly Tier-1, most people can't afford the quality of what they produce.
No reason to be condescending, many are unfamiliar as stated in the video it’s not a common brand outside certain circles.@@mmgr.madminutegearreviews4562
For the cost of $4600.00. They should include the scope rings
For that price, they should include a rifle. lol. Hope you subscirbe.
Not everyone will like the same rings or mount and it's not like it has an uncommon tube size like a ZCO or something.
I'm seeing 3600.
Cant include the rings because different rifles use different mounts, some Direct mount, some weaver, some pic rail, on and on different types, then there are different elevation offsets, 0° 20° 40° for reaching out to those 1 to 2 mile shots....
4600 is pretty cheap. Zeiss 6-24x72 retails for 12k. S5 Zeiss 4k. March ELR scope goes for 4-6k. You want quality you pay for it
This is for the sniper that is shooting from the international space station
"I.S.S. this is Houston....send it"
@@Moondog2A😂
Space is made in a hollywood basement.
I wanna know what scope the sniper used to make that 2,500 yard confirmed kill
@@sabastian4858Keep saying that while China is building it's space infrastructure.
March are top tier long range scopes for sure and the price reflects that. I don't think people realize how difficult it is to make glass good enough for high magnification in scopes that small (relatively speaking) compared to say, a telescope. Grinding and shaping lenses to the preciseness needed to hold that kind of clarity at those magnifications is very costly. Type of glass adds to cost, etc, etc. But also, in a rifle scope, you also need to consider the turrets, which is a whole other realm of precise manufacturing as well. Honestly, I'm surprised it's as cheap as it is considering its specs and performance (there are certainly much higher priced scopes out there). The only complaint I'd have with it is the zero stop. For what you pay for it, that zero stop should be rock solid.
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coming from the photographic world, small lenses are typically easier to manufacture; the problem with this particular lens comes from its extreme zoom range in such a small form factor. The more 'magnification' range you have, the more image quality you tend to sacrifice. Combine that with a fixed focus and small aperture, and likely a lack of elements to correct the aberrations, and you get very poor optical performance here, at least compared to decent photography lenses. I imagine the majority of the cost of this scope would be in its ruggedness, having to deal with impacts and movements that a photographic lens wouldn't have to deal with, rather than the optics, which is merely at a "good enough" level for this sort of application.
Still no reason for a scope to be that expensive.
It is glass inside, not diamonds. Manufacturers are beyond greedy, that's the only reason why such stuff is so expensive
I DON'T REALLY RECOGNIZE MARCH SCOOPS KNOWING THAT MARCH IS MONTH FOR RAM AND ARIES I THINK I REMEMBER A COMPANY BY THAT NAME PROBABLY LONG GONE THROUGH
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@@Rwdphotos "good enough" really. You are comparing apples and oranges. The lens elements in a March are photographic quality (Deon optical in Japan) they have plenty of elements to do the job depending on model and scope power (just like photography lenses it varies). You also miss out on two fundamentals when you talk quality. How will a photography lens stand up to recoil of a 300 win mag in a 1000 yd BR match? A scope of this quality has to hold point of zero even when the erector lens system is cranked up and down and back and forth to allow for point of impact changes that the shooter may require during a match and do that for the lifetime of the scope. This scope allows the shooter to see (large calibre eg 30cal) bullet holes on paper well past 500 yds on low mirage days so clarity and quality is not an issue.
That's some crazy magnification! Neat scope, definitely one I'd like to get post lottery winnings.😂
You and me both!
I second that motion!!! 🤠👍
I shoot rimfire 22 at 50 and 100 yards with a March-X 10X-60X56. Expensive but it has a 1/16 dot and 1/8 MOA adjustments. Depending on how bad the mirage is, I shoot 50 yards typically at 20-40X and 100 yards at 40X. I use the 60X as a spotting scope. Quality of the glass/mechanics is second to none.
Interesting that you're using it at 22yrds! March told me the Majesta isn't all that sharp at distances less than 100yrds because it's so optimized for long distance.
@@Moondog2A No, he said he shoots 22LR at 50 & 100 yds. Sounds like ARA (which is 50 yds) and/or NRL. I have a similar scope 12-60x60 made by Texas Precision Optics that cost $450. Definitely chinesium but for the price it works great on paper targets in daylight. Chromatics and edge-to-edge clarity don't matter much for that. One of our other shooters has a March 40x (I think) with a simple ultrafine crosshair and it IS impressive to look through. Worth $4K? Not to me, not yet, maybe someday.
As someone who’s bent several screw in throw levers, the breakaway plastic throw lever is actually great.
I kinda wish I could get these throw levers for my other scopes.
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Awesome review Buddy ! That’s an incredible Piece
Thank you kindly
Yes, have heard of March scopes here in Europe. I have friends that use March for both ELR shooting and hunting and they are super happy with them. Great rifle scopes if your bank account allows you.
Which country? What kind of shooting/hunting do you guys do?
@@Moondog2A I'm from the tiny island of Malta, further south from Italy (part of the EU). Local shooting is quite limited however many shooters visit Europe for both sports shooting (like myself) and hunting - from Italy, to Romania, Spain, France and even further North and East.
That's great to hear that rifle is allowed in Malta. I didn't know that. Thanks for subscribing.
wow.. that is an unbeliebable optic. ps...that sign..our 1st time we could see the trail marker!!..lol. this is just an amazing optic.. wow. that would be nice!
Thanks!
Single best video on the M8-80! I appreciate the thoroughness 💯!
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@@Moondog2A I have been subscribed. But great timing as mine should be here in a few months.
8:00 This is actually what i expected you to look like
Or is it A.I.?
Its already hard enough for a sniper to get a direct hit shot from standard range but this? This is a whole new level of expert marksmanship
Yup! It's a whole different level than just hitting center mass at 1000yrds. The top F-class guys win because they get 3-5" groups in the 10-ring at 1000yrds.
@@Moondog2A With that range I cant even fathom how you deal with bullet drop and wind speed. Especially with a 50cal. You gotta do a live fire test on a follow up video man hahaha
There’s always give and take. We’ve seen a couple through the long range courses we run, and they are good clear glass with incredible magnification, but with all that magnification it only has 66 MOA of total elevation adjustment. Most 5-25 around the $2,000 mark will have 120 MOA of travel. Give and take. But for ELR it’s just not enough travel. Even if you got just the right MOA taper in your scope base/mount and had the full 66 available to you it still wouldn’t allow you to dial to a mile (1760 yards). I’d take that money and put it towards a Nightforce, ZC, a couple Leupold MK5’s, Zeiss LRP S5, etc and still have money left over.
That's a fair criticism
Before you spend your money on a tool, it's very important to make sure that you are selecting the right tool for your task. The Majesta riflescope is unique in the shooting world, but it is not the proper tool for all applications. The primary design goal for the Majesta was to provide the very best IQ at high magnification for diverse, but not all, situations. As you stated, there is always give and take, in optical design. In an SFP design, you are not looking for large adjustments at high magnification, you are looking to get the best IQ of a fine reticle on a big target image. You don't run and gun with this riflescope at 80X; you use this riflescope for high precision purposes.
Some of these purposes are F-Class, with ranges up to 1000 yards, benchrest from 100 to 1000 yards and even Field target where they love high magnification. For hunters, this scope is perfect for varmint; high magnification, wide field of view and mirage resistance. These pursuits do not require extravagant adjustment ranges and the Majesta reigns supreme in those venues. For example, March scope owners just dominated the recently concluded F-Class National Championship last week.
For ELR purposes, March has the Genesis models (6-60X56) and (4-40X52) that provide for up to 400MOA of adjustment range (113MIL) in the 6-60X56 model. That crushes anything else out there.
For PRS, where FFP rules, they have the March-FX 4.5-28X52 and the March-FX 5-42X56 with 40MIL of adjustment range (140MOA).
You need to pick your tool for your job; spend your money wisely. You do not take a Formula 1 race car to a dune buggy event.
@@DenysBeaucheminyep that’s why I said give and take. I also said it’s a great scope for what it’s built for. But it’s for a very specific type of shooting.
I am very new to rifle scopes, but I my family has solely been photographers for 6 generations, and I used to work as one temporarily, so I know quite a big about magnification. And even though I am knew to rifle scopes, I learned about them very early on, probably within the first day or two of researching rifle scopes. Generally, I have almost always heard that they are amazing and worth the money. Some people say they are more fragile than other scopes, even their 'military style' LPVO's. I highly doubt they are any more fragile than something like Primary arms. Only a few people who I have confirmed to own them have said they are more fragile, slightly. And only a few people confirmed to own them, that I have seen, have said they are definitely more fragile, but that this has been changing recently. I would wager, however, that this scope, or other extremely large, complicated, and high-magnification rifle scopes are definitely going to be pretty fragile. But hey, I might be wrong on that, maybe this thing is an actual tank.
These aren't combat optics, thats for sure. Great input there. Hope you subscribed.
It's why I use throw away scopes with ED glass. The Panzer is great. Also Discoveropt makes an amazing ED AR scope for around 2% of the cost of this March scope.
March replied and said these scopes have 4mm tubes so can hold up to 50BMG or just about any magnum round. While not a combat tested optic, they don't consider it more "fragile" than other extreme high power scopes.
I think you mean 40 mm tubes.
Hey, a zero between friends is nothing at all.
The March-X and -FX series riflescopes are built like tanks, not Shermans, more like Abrams. The main tube is 34mm in diameter and the actual wall is 4mm thick; extremely strong. Usual riflescopes have walls that are 1 to 2mm thick. I am not aware of any other riflescope that has thicker walls or is more solid than the -X and -FX series from March.
Holy cow this takes me back! OG lover of your goggle cleaning and antifog spray from my airsofting days 15 years ago!
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@@Moondog2Aindeed I did!
I've been posting videos of using the March 1.5-15x42 Dual Focal Plane scope in as many rifle matches I possibly can, and I love the scope. March seems to fly under a lot of people's radar.
It's not sold in many places so unless you hang out with a lot of F-class or PRS shooters, you won't see it? Hope you subscribed.
Nice Review! I appreciated you demonstrating magnification and tracking right on camera looking at a reference chart. I would have liked to have seen shots fired at distance just to watch the impacts and vapor trails but at 80x, I bet I can see impacts on paper at 600 yards. Overall one of the best scope reviews I’ve seen.
Unfortunately the nearest 1000yrd range is 4hrs away from me, so unfortunately I couldn't get camera shooting footage before I had to pack it up to return the scope. Hope you subscribed.
First time hearing about March brand. Thank you!
You are so welcome!
they started out by modding high end scopes. then started making their own. been popular in long range comp circles for a while. as usual these days bring money.
Loved my Majesta!! Nice video my friend!
You are a fortunate man. Thanks for subscribing!
@@Moondog2A Past tense my friend, no longer does.
I've heard of March in the context of "if you have to ask, you can't afford it" haha maybe one day. Very cool piece of tech.
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I watch tons of TH-cam videos so yes ive heard of March products. However just like you said, its definitely out of my price range!😮😅
We can dream
@@Moondog2A yes we can!🫡
Not anything I would use BUT it's good information to have. 👍 It can double as its own spotting scope.
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Amazing beast, but at over $4k out of reach for most.
So true
That would need some serious commitment 😢
Most people don't need it. It's say 99.9999999999% of people don't need it
Not if you put it on a $200 10/22
March has been around quite a while now . Huge in the elr / benchrest circuits . Tier one all the way !
100% Do you shoot in ELR/ Bench?
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It is great that you have pointed out the ability for the rifle scope to go under the zero stop setting ,,
However this is a design feature of the scope and you would need to have an engineering background or knowledge to fully understand it.. it’s because the erected tube is under tension the ability to go under your zero removes backlash from your system,,
For a 💯 % correct zero,,, the Shooter will go past their zero then come back up.
The best way for me to explain it would be think of a car on a lift hoist,, the wheels are hanging down if you’d lowered the vehicle onto the ground
And measured the distance from the top of the tire to the guard it would be taller than its standard right height.
As it is sprung and has backlash in the system Once you rolled the car forward the wheels and suspension would Tow out removing backlash.
The ability to go under your zero only comes from having an optical engineer design and build scope.
Great explanation 👌
I had not heard of this brand until a few weeks ago. I watched a video by F Class John at a shot show talking to a March rep.
SHOT was the first time I'd seen this scope.
I have never heard of the brand thank you for bringing it to my attention. However , like you I don't quite have the means to invest $4,000 in the scope. Maybe they could raffle one off or something along those lines. I enjoyed the video and I appreciate your work. You were always extremely informative, and not a lot of nonsense that doesn't pertain to anything in the channel. Thanks again please keep up the good work. I will be watching.
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I have heard of them, and i checked them out at shot show this year. Love the product, just out of my budget.
Out of most that's for sure. Hope you subscribed.
@@Moondog2A I did
Thank you for taking the time to do this. I wish I could afford one too! Don’t think that your efforts are going unseen. Apparently there’s enough lights on this one after 24 hours to stay up on the tube. I subscribed it because that is some bad ass shit! I forward it on to a friend of mine. I know he will appreciate it as well. Stay frosty!
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Wow I was going to save up for a schmidt and bender but im actually going to consider this scope now. Glad to see there are more options out there that I didn't know of
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March is top of the line equipment.
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80x is pretty amazing
Indeed
The zero stop going past zero is intentional. Pretty common feature on higher end rifle scopes. Gives the user more flexibility when conditions change and a quick dial under zero is needed instead of a hold over.
I'm aware of that but this didn't feel "definitive" like some other under-zero stops.
This is for those "the remote is too far from the sofa" moments, but in the military. Commander in the camp, instead of sending troops to intercept a convoy of technicals 6km out, pulls an Anzio from under his desk with this scope mounted on it, shoots directly from the damn HQ building window, nailing the driver of the front vehicle, 3 guys on the back of the second vehicle, hits the spool off of one RPG round in a crate of 30, on the back of a transport truck that's in the middle of the convoy, and the bullet ricochets off of the wedding ring of the gunner of the last technical, hits a poor goat on the roadside and lodges itself in a nearby tree. (And the convoy explodes half a second later from the RPG rounds going off.)
You have the most entertaining analogy posted yet!
Your review is the most intent I have seen on the web. I use a 4.5-24 Leupold HD scope for elk at 500 yards so I understand quality when I see it.
Your scope is an excellent example of the right scope for the right task. What rifle do you have it on?
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Very great scope for that pricepoint. That magnification level is just absurd to think about that needs micro adjustments that most of us can't even make. Great video.
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Cyclop's nipple twister was outstanding
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I've had one for a year. Quite outstanding piece of equipment.
Only for year? You sold it or what happened?
@@Moondog2Anothing, I used it yesterday in a comp.. I've had two other March scopes, this is worth every penny.
@@MassiveLib Which reticle is in your Majesta?
@@MassiveLib AH, I misunderstood. Excellent. How did you place?
@@Moondog2A two personal bests this year in both regional n national comps. Might win my regional grade, one more comp left. If a person is mad enough to spend 4k on your hobby, which isn't a huge amount when compared to cars, golf, match fishing, horse riding etc, the do it
Love my March FX 1.5-15.
Wish they were a larger company, but that takes time. Also them using only Japanese made parts is a pro and a con. It would be nice if they would have an option to use outsourced parts that can perform better. Like primary arm's fiber wire technology. Warranty stuff can take multiple months, but comparing them to even kahles in terms of company size just isn't possible and they take over a month to do repairs across the pond.
You're a fortunate man.
Fiber illuminated rifle scopes is not 'Primary arms' technology. They don't have to 'outsource' that technology from Primary arms, they could just make it themselves if they wanted to, but they don't, so you should ask them to do it
@@rondobrondo If you knew anything about emitter technology, you'd know what you are saying is completely false.
They got a major contract with the JGSDF for the Type 20's issued LPVO. Most of their manpower is on that contract.
@@poisonouslead85 Yeah for the FFP 1-8 shorty. That contract started what, 4 years ago? Are they not finished with it?
March is prevalent in short range benchrest (100/200/300 yard) game. They have a good reputation.
That's good to know. Is 300yrd short range?
Awesome image quality even at the higher magnification ranges. Im still not seeing the benefit of having 80x magnification with only 60moa elevation adjustment though. Even with a 20 moa mount, youre not going to be able to dial in for anything "ELR". Is this scope more purposed for F-Class stuff?
Love your reviews btw. Your review of the Tract Toric helped land one on top of my 300prc.😁
Good point, yeah more for F class. The top placing national F-class guys seem to all use these scopes from what I hear.
My phone has been listening to me because I’d never heard of march until someone told me about theirs at the range on Sunday and today TH-cam shows me this, funnily enough their scope was 80x too, nice looking scope
Just don't let your phone hear that you're thinking of replacing it. :-)
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What a beautiful feat of engineering, I had never heard of this brand before! Also, what a nice review, thanks!
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Picked up the March Tactical Shorty Gen II 1-10x24 and it was dead on right out the box I use it on my KAC 14.5. Love shooting it.
How's the illumination? I had a chance to look at it briefly at SHOT but its not daylight bright in the Expo floor.
@@Moondog2A It was good. It was pretty bright at the range target was in the sun, but I was under an overhang shaded. Never had to turn on the illumination at all. Didn't shoot a lot of groups as the scope and gun were dead on after two, three round groups.
@@Chad-378 Have you used it in an action shooting match or practice?
@@Moondog2A I have not, I work overseas and haven't had the time yet. I went to the range to get her zeroed in first. Once I get back in a few months I'll run it though some drills.
Top Qualität, habe S+B, und Swarovski, mein MARCH ist optisch gleichwertig aber robuster!
The MARCH is more robust? Good info. Danke!
That is the most amazing scope I own. Hands down my most favorite scope.
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Hey Moondog, long time since i stopped by. Glad to see you're still making awesome vids man. This scope is CRAZY man. 8-80...WHOA!!!!!!
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Great video thank you!
Ive been waiting for a review on this brand for a while now
So was I. I was damn lucky to get lent this even for a short time. Hope you subscribed.
Holy heck ! That’s an amazing bit of kit ! That would be dead good for bench rest shooting I bet.
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You get a like based solely on the "Enter the Ninja" clip!
That’s a telescope not a scope
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Great video, just have a comment at the explaining of the modifier disk, this is basically a stenopeic hole for the lens, aperture is how much light is allowed within a fraction of time, basically light quantity, but, light photons basically travel outwards in all directions, when they travel from one medium to the other (in this case from air to glass) light travels more quickly across the shortest path possible, since this has lens that have curves, center rays come directly and the side rays diverge, so they cause aberration, this basically reduces aberration and increases image quality
The modifier disk is NOT a stenopeic hole or device. That explanation is completely wrong. A stenopeic optic would have a series of small holes in it and the MD has only one hole. In fact, the MD is just like a diaphragm in a camera lens and the hole is 50% in area of the 56mm objective, thus reducing the amount of light that comes in by 50%, or the equivalent of 1 F-stop in photography lingo. Photographers know that if you reduce the aperture, you increase the depth of field, which is what the MD is designed to do.
@@DenysBeauchemin let me quickly say that I'm not wrong.
I'm an optometrist, been in the main work and industry for more than 4 years plus +5years of studies, being born as the third generation of optometrists in the family with own businesses and optical laboratory since 1964, in the process of entering a clinical optometry mastery, pursuing a specialty in optic physics, with obviously a later goal of getting PhD in anterior segment of the eye so I can become an specialist in contact lenses, materials and optics. I think I have a ground to stand for;
A stenopeic or stenopaeic is something pertaining to or containing a narrow slit or a minute opening. In this case, a minute opening referring to a arc minute, which is 1/60 of a degree, that is a unit of angular measurement which refers to a small opening just letting in an arc minute.
We use this in the field with tools with just 1 hole, as many as they can be possibly made on the testing lenses or pinhole frames, and it varies from person to person, usually they are used more in intraocular lenses, but in practice they are used to measure if one has simple aberration from diverging rays or if we may suspect of a pathological/physiological reason to make vision blurry, if we have a simple ametropia vision should be better looking through a pinhole, which is our stenopeic hole in this case.
When we have an optical system, every lens border and every diaphragm of light is considered a aperture stop and it could be a lens, or it could be a stenopeic/pinhole opening, in this case, the "lens modifier" is used to reduce the spherical and chromatic aberration from the biggest lenses which should be on the end of the optic system since they have to capture the most light, every modern lens has a small amount of aberration even if the abbe coefficient or refraction index is very high. Couple years ago some dudes in the UNAM university made an algorithm that could basically model a lens without aberration but there are no known techniques more similar that evaporating gold to make very fine lenses as those used in the James Webb but there are no modern aberration less lenses. So, the only and most simple way is to have a stenopeic aperture stop which is the lens modifier so it reduces aberration on the end image when you are using high power ranges, this aberration basically doesn't bother or trouble when you are on low powers.
Wow. Just wow at the level of depth in this post
Great video, that is quite the scope, thanks for sharing.
It sure is
I have heard of them. I first started seeing things about them watching F-Class John videos. Those are on my wish list, but like many, $4K+ is a little beyond my budget.
Everything about F-class is beyond my budget but like you I give them much respect for the performance they get
Thank you for solid review.
I know the brand, but here in Canada that is a 1 mil click under $7000 out the door.
That is why we can't have nice things here.
Is that in Canadian or US dollars?
@@Moondog2A
Canadian Pesos
You know, I never really considered that optics would get to a point where there is no practical point in going further. There ain't gonna be much more optical power than this that will ever be of any use unless there is some kind of incredible revolution in small arms.
I wouldn't be surprised if March come out with a 10-100x next.
Just looking for more mirage.
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I have a Schmidt and Bender 60x I prefer the turrets and robustness of the Schmidt and Bender but glass I prefer the March. Maybe not even clarity but definitely the color is better on the March 80x.
S&B are awesome scopes too.
80X with a 56mm objective? Lol, hard pass, the math alone says that thing is $4000 of jank. That would be like looking through a coffee straw. 56mm/80X = 0.7mm exit pupil, that's the tightest eyebox I've ever seen, it's the diameter of pencil lead. That's less than half the size of your pupil, you would see nothing but scope shadow out of that thing. It would only be usable up to 28X, which is good, but not worth the extra cost associated with going up to 80X, and past that it would be a giant PITA.
On top of that, it's a 10X multiplier, so while it may have good glass, it's nowhere near as good as it could be if it was, say, a 7-28 with a much simpler 4X multiplier.
Finally....someone that knows what they are talking about. Also...what in the world would anyone even need 80x for? I shoot out to 1 mile (longest range I can find in Ohio) with a 5x25x56 and 25x is too much power at a mile.
@@Chris-te7uk are you shooting at Thunder Valley? And you must have young eyes. I'll take all the magnification I can get but I'd need a larger objective for sure. The exit pupil is too small at even 40X to be usable for anything other than rock solid bench shooting.
Actually, it works exceedingly well. This riflescope has been dominating F-Class since its introduction two years ago. The F-Open Long-Range (1000 yards) champion used a prototype in 2022 in Phoenix. In 2023, the midrange (600 yards) F-Open champion and the long-range F-Open champion and runner up were all using a Majesta. Yesterday, the 2024 F-Open midrange champion was using a Majesta when he was crowned.
They all use the Majesta at 80X because they can be so precise on target. I had been shooting my Majesta at 80X since I got it over a year ago. Yes, the exit pupil is small, but if you are behind the rifle properly, that is not an issue.
At that price, we aren't mounting the scope to the gun. We are mounting the gun to the scope.
Indeed.
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I have a High Master 40x60 ep zoom really like it, has double ED lenses mirage is not as bad in my scope as is my NF Comp, but the Sightron ed is very good also
Spotting mirage in your scope is a good thing. If you can't spot your mirage in your scope, you need a better scope.
I,m buying that for Christmas 2024 thats a great deal for a scope like that thanks
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I use a Zeiss S3 6-36 which I use at 20x with an Eotech 45 (5x) behind it. My image at 100 yds is much larger and more clear. Field of view is very small and getting your eye in the correct position is a learned skill. My setup is less than $3k and offers much more flexibility.
Improvise. Adapt. Overcome.
@@Moondog2A You are correct.I am partially sighjted and I wanted to shoot targets like everyone else. This setup allows me to do it! New to the sport but really enjoying it.
Actually, the Zeiss S3 6-36X56 has an AOV of 22°, which is just a little above average, that being around 20°. The March-X Majesta has an AOV of 25° making it the widest AOV (angle of view) of any SFP design and the vast majority of FFP designs.
@@DenysBeauchemin When using the Zeis which is FFP in front of an Eotech G45, at least for me, it is much more difficult to get the perfect positioning of my eye to line up the two scopes and minimize scope ring. Also for me, by being a FFP scope, I can see the reticle much easier and larger. Again,, I am partially sighted and that most likely explains my difficulty. However, I am enjoying the challenge!
@@michaelbloomston1770 Understood. But now I'm quizzical as to why you even participated in the discussion. Moondog2A did a review on a Lamborghini, and you explained how you use your Audi sedan.
I actually know of March through service rifle optics! White Oak Armory carries them. I even heard rumor that a lot of the big name brands have their premium glass manufactured by March if not the majority of their scopes
Yes, the March 1-4.5X24 with the D3 reticle is well thought of in SR circles. But let me dispel that rumor; DEON Optical is the company that designs, manufactures and sells the March riflescopes. They do not make anything for other riflescopes manufacturers. As was noted elsewhere here, they are a small Japanese company that is focused on pushing the boundaries by being very innovative in their designs. For example, they were the first to use ED glass in riflescopes, they are the only ones using Super ED glass currently. They are one of the very (very) few companies with dual focal plane riflescopes (1-10X14 and 1.5-15X42). The Genesis design is unique in innovative (400MOA of elevation). And of course, the Majesta is packed with innovative features: Super ED + lenses, wide angle eyepiece, 10X zoom to 80X, fast focus eyepiece and shuriken turrets.
I have heard of Genesis. In fact, own several Genesis scopes.
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Im with the post lotto guy. Awesome
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I think 10x is all that most snipers use. That must be part spotting scope as well. It would wobble so much at high magnification. However, it is still cool as all get-out and I want one. It is amazing the tech in that little tube to get that range of magnification. If I am lucky, I get a 90-yard shot on anything.
True in the past when the US snipers were issued fixed 10x scope which were generally more rugged and reliable than variable power scopes. But Army now uses 5-25x. But tend to dial that down to 10x or 12x for best overall clarity and usability as you said because of wobble. www.leupold.com/blog/post/leupold-mark-5hd-selected-by-army-precision-sniper-rifle-program
Just beautiful.
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I own one. It is a quality scope, but above 50 power, it starts to grey out, and at 80,x power the target is almost completely dark.
Even more so with the depth of field filter?
Do you shoot at night? I have been shooting F-class competitions with my Majesta for over a year now, and I never brought it down from 80X in comps. There was one time recently when we started the first match very early on a heavily overcast day, and the target was darkish during the first match (but I still shot a high master score) and by the second match, it was fine.
have the original non-illumated version of this scope and can/t fault it. march are fairly well known in the australian target shooting community. they are all hand assembled and extremely robust, possibly one of the best scope manufacturers around today.the cost is a reflection of the quality.
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Excellent review with no BS 👍👌🙏
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Just mount a telescope to your rifle at this point.
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Yes I have heard of March but I’m a rifle nerd. Your form better be perfect to deal with every little movement magnified 80 times.
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This must be the super zoom scope snipers in movies and TV use
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Need ffp and perhaps do 10-80X56 to give better use of reticle at low end. Awesome scope from a solid company. They have a lpvo which has the option of sfp/ffp probably would put this closer to $6k with that option.
FFP would be terrible: the reticle would either be invisible and usable at 10x or way too thick and also unusable at 80x, that's they these high magnification factor scope has to be a SFP.
10:13 oh hey look a civilian hiker
I am completely and mentally stable
At which point that guy walked into my shot, I didn't want to touch the scope lest the YT Censors think I was aiming for something; even though this scope wasn't mounted on a firearm for filming.
@@Moondog2A yea must have been pretty awkward
I have a 60pwr,thats enough. Preludes fiddiling with a spotting scope.
Agreed
I heard of march and only because they make one of the lightest 34mm. Their 1.5-15 is like 25oz. Yes, I want it.
That's light. Even more impressive is that they don't make their tubes any thinner than industry standard.
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Pairing this with my snipex trex
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Wow, amazing I do like your videos. Thank you
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@@Moondog2A I am and have been for a while now. ;)
I especially like the nipple twister test. Feels so good.
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Desert Tactical has been running March for quite some time.
Desert Tactical the store or a TH-camr?
Good video, I’m familiar with March but have never owned any of their products. I’ve gone out to 1,760 with my Mk5-hd 7-35x no problem and probably won’t have the opportunity to go past that distance on the east coast so 80x doesn’t really excite me for 4k$ but would be cool to look through!
Where do you shoot 1760y on the East Coast?
So they figured out a way to mount a spotting scope, lordy!
Better eye relief than any of my spotters
Outstanding Review.... I never knew about this brand either
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That "hiker" is really sus. I bet he thought no one was watching and contacted the mother ship.
Or an ATF agent hoping to catch me with pewpew
You should compare this optic to the ARES ETR UHD 15-60×56 from Athlon optics.
The Athlon is only $1375.00 but its still a comparison I would like to see.
Even the ARES is out of my budget. But I'll see what I can do about borrowing one. Hope you subscribe.
March makes some excellent albeit expensive lpvo's, Id take one over Nf's offerings any day.
Do you have one? I didn't know they were available to civilians.
@@Moondog2A Yes, March has some great LPVOs. Their latest one it the March-FX 1-10X24 with dual reticle. It's an amazing little riflescope. They have a number for LPVOs, and have had them for many years. Next time at SHOT, you should look at them.
Lotta folks balking at the price tag, but $4k for an alpha tier scope isn't obscene; Tangents, ATACRs, and ZCOs are also all in that price range. This one seems like a purpose built f class masterpiece. Not my bag, but I can see the appeal. Thanks for the review.
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"ooh thats cool"
my walllet: no that is not cool
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As much as I love this scope for F-class and other known distance disciplines, what I don't understand is why bother with illumination at all if it isn't day light bright. A day light bright reticle on a black F-class center actually makes sense. For $4k this illumination is a big fail.
Other than the sub par illumination, this optic checks all the boxes.
what would you need day light brightness for on an optic like this? 🤣🤣
@@HazardousRob Sometimes from the 1000 yard line on a day with bad mirage the reticle literally gets lost in the center black.
A high contrast really bright red dot would really help. This is a pure static target scope it was never meant to be used in low light so the typical reticle illumination doesn't make sense to me.
I'm guessing you might need it for late Fall matches that go long into the day and have overcast weather.
Cmon Moondog... I agree, the magnification range is impressive, but the image quality at maximum zoom is horrific. You should directly compare this to a high-end spotting scope lie a Zeiss. Agreed, our perception is skewed because only so much can be transferred to video, but I did not look very impressive to me at higher magnification. I do not expect much at 40-to 80x zoom, but the quality is what I would expect; terrible. Not *"wonderful, beautiful, impressive."* Lower magnification it did look quite nice.
Either way, this was a really good video. Keep it up and I'm sure your channel will grow quickly
Scopes look "horrible" at max magnification especially if there is a large difference between it's min and max magnification.
The Zeiss CMII is 10x-60x which is only a 6x zoom factor. If I dial down the March to 48x (which is 6x factor of 8x) or 60x it'll look sharp.
The best spotting scope in the industry right now for IQ is Kowa, the 88x series and the 99x series. They use pure fluorite crystal glass and they are the only ones doing that. Right behind them is Swarovski with an impressive array of spotting scopes and accessories with objective diameter going to 115mm and beyond (I'm not up to date on that series.) After that come the Zeiss, Nikon and other brands.
But let's talk IQ (image quality) at 80X here. I should think the vast majority of readers here have never experienced it. When the conditions are good, like an early morning before the mirage or right after a rainstorm and the Sun is still behind clouds, the IQ of all riflescopes will be just fine. It's when the conditions get bad that quality optics stand out, with the Majesta at the top. When the mirage is runnign rampant, the IQ of the target at 1000 yards will be crap, however, in a Majesta, the F-class target will be shootable at 80X. By that I mean that you can see the aiming black and it is round, and you can see the rings on the target and they are distinct. Also, the target doesn't bounce around, it's staying put. Under these conditions, I can place my reticle exactly where I want it on the target and it's repeatable and dependable. With lesser optics (Nightforce, etc.), the shooter must dial down the magnification thereby reducing the precision with which he/she can aim the shot. This is why the Majesta is currently dominating the F-Class circuit.
i really like the design of the o-set lock
It is pretty sweet.
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I cant tell you how many gun guys think a 10x or 14x is a lot. I shot prone silhouette out to 600 and always wanted more than my leupold 8-25. this is what I;m talkin bout.
It's got a pretty tight eyebox at 80x but shooting prone you should be ok.
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If all this is included in the March Scope, what is included in the April Scope?
Sorry. Couldn't help myself.
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The Iris modifier disc increases “depth of field”.
Affirmative.
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Damn. My spotting scope is only 60. But the objective is much bigger and its still hard to see at dusk at max mag.
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