Brendan Marriott All I can remember is the “Baker” target was a 10” circle for the 500 m prone. The “Dog” target simulated the profile of a man in the prone position at the 300 m sitting and kneeling. I can’t recall the size of the target for the 200 m offhand. Seems like it was similar in size to the Baker target. We used a 6 o’clock hold in those days. Later it was changed to a center mass hold.
@@kennethbailey2616 That's the way to train.....With open sights FIRST...before relying on a scope. 100 yds with open sights is same as 1000 yds with a 10x scope. Most think they don't need much more than 10x but yet can't group for shit at 100 yds with open sights. Lol
Nice video Man!! I'm looking at a .308 for 200 - 800 yrd shots. I don't think I need anything over 14x for that. You really put it all into perspective, thanks!
Update, I bought an eotech vudu 3.5 x 18 and its awesome.Put it on a spuhr mount and it's my new sweetheart. I can see hits on shoot and c at 200 plus yards. We have a short range so maybe further. I almost got the 10 power till I saw your vid so thumbs up.
Back when i was young i had great eye sight and shot deer long range open sights. Now days i can hardly see side of barn so high powered scopes is a must.
Man , People need to take a note from you. On how to make videos on scopes, thanks very simple and actually give meaning.... you should review all the scopes 😅
I'm new to long range shooting I just put a 6 X 24 Power Scope on my Weatherby it's my dream rifle and I finally finished it with a Zeiss 6 X 24 by 50 Conquest 4 scope I didn't have the money to put something really nice on it like a VX 6 Leopol... My rifle is a 300 Weatherby Magnum Mark 5 Deluxe.. I haven't fired it yet or sight it in... I've never owned a rifle this nice before in my life. So I'm pretty excited about going out and shooting it for the first time. I also had a muzzle brake installed on it to reduce recoil..
I have four mark 5 in 300 weatherby I only get a inch group out of weatherby ammo but I get half inch with my 180psp Remington ammo getting ready to sell mine I don't like the kick on my shoulder I'm getting the 6.5 300 in mark 5
A good rule of thumb if you purchase a fixed power scope make it a fixed 10x, but at most 12x. Any stronger than that it will pick up to much mirage if the outside temp is high. For a variable power scope buy 1 power for every 100 yards you mite shoot. For instance. If you mite shoot 1500yrds get a max 15 power scope. I have a 3-18x50 Vortex Razor myself. I have shot over a mile with it. 1 mile = 1760yrds so there for 18 power scope. My target was 12”x12” steel plate. Very easy to see. Hope this helps.
That's a good rule of thumb I never knew that and wish I did but now I will remember that thanks. And this was a great video one problem is the crass hair are to big and cover up the target.
I respectfully disagree. For shooting pd's or smaller game at 500 yards and over I use 20x power scope and sometimes it feels like I could use more. I say use what YOUR eyes say you need. I'd rather have a 20x variable and turn it down then 15x power and not able to turn it up.
Marines were picking off German soldiers in excess of 700 yards with iron sights in World War 1. Couple of years after Quigley Down Under came out people were shooting black powder cartridge rifle rounds 10 and 12 in at 1200 yards with iron sights. I believe the world record for smokeless powder at a thousand yards was only seven and three quarters at the time.
Great video. You don't need a lot of zoom to see the target, but if you want to see your hits/misses and call your own shots a higher magnification is required...
Well I was unable to see the 1000 yard target and I cudnt see the 500 till u wound it all the way up so it looks like I need something significantly better then 24 power
I do wish you would cut out the cover music, it camouflages the words you are saying, and makes it very difficult to understand what you are saying! Every bit as bad as wind noise! I really don't understand the reasoning behind all the background music/noise so many you tubers insist on playing and then try to tell a story to the public. It is counter intuitive and a waste of time. Use it in your intro and sign off if you must, but please leave it out of your dissertations. Thank you, Gabby
Great video, it'll help a lot. Just bought another AR so I'll need another scope, I may have to do some shifting but at least now I know what I need at the higher end.
I learned. The magnification help to see the small print. I used to shoot with a nightforce 5-20x56. I swap it for a nightforce 3-10x42. Best 'down-scale' scope I never thought I'll say. Quality of the lens helps. If I knew what I know now. I'll pick a fixed scope anytime. Nightforce don't do fixed as far as I know. Pick what's comfortable. You're buying it😁
yeah. ? when I was your age I could see a gnat a 1000 yds with 14x fixed . now I'm 56 and need the 20x in leupold VX-3i 6.5-20x50 long range precision ffp scopes
Absolutly awesome video! Thank you for taking the time to show what the ranges look like through different magnification. So offten people argue you need 24x plus to reach out there, when in actuality you can make it happen with a 10x. I only have the chance to shoot past 400yd a few times a year and don't have the time to video it.
I used a cheap 3-9x42 scope on my hunting rifle. I was running into problems at 400 meters... Turns out the glass didn't let enough light through the scope. I bought a Swarovski X5I 5-25x56 and I am absolutely in love with it, mounted it on my Accuracy International.
Very helpful video. Building my first custom rifle and have finally arrived at my final component which is an optic. Was torn between a Leupold vx5 3-15 and a vx6 2-12. I like the field of view the vx6 offers at 2X and after watching this video i think 12X magnification will be enough.
I hear people say that . However to a certain degree it's kind of like another way of saying it depends how much handicap you want to give yourself . For me the answer is none , so long as I cannot actually afford the accessory and it doesn't have a form factor that negates the purpose of the rifle . I can shoot without optics , but I always shoot better with them close or far.
On average 25 zoom is max for most 2K+ scopes, you need light and color etc, to get zoom.(light transmission. Clearest i looked threu was a Zeis Henshold 6x24-72. Also threu a Scmit%Bender 50x zoom and a March 60 zoom, beyond 30/40 less details you will see. Also depends on what duty youre scope will do. Bench rest/F-class, or just 100 meters, or tactical shooting. Pick a good scope than can do, with can do atleast 25x,
I really didn't understand how little zoom you needed until I took my 6-24X50 out to the range for the first time and could see my hits at 500 yards perfectly fine. Anybody that watched that video and was underwhelmed by the lower magnification, seeing it on video is only about 1/3 as zoomed as it is in real life since the lens takes up way more of your vision than your computer or phone screen does.
You're doing a fine job with the video, very good subject and idea for communicating it. But the sound track is distracting and hard to hear over - not good. Truly, it's worse than the windy day.
isnt 10 MOA 1000 yards? Im having a hard time understanding how scopes and moa works. If I zero my scope in at 100 yards at the center dot, would I have to aim at the 10 mark on the scope to hit 1000 yards?
Logan. I shoot 1000-1250 with a Leupold VX3 3.3x10 when shooting out to 1760+ I set the Vortex PST to 24x People get hung up on more magnification. Quality glass trumps all.
Yes sir I agree with you! I think many people have this idea that they need a telescope to even see the target but truthfully a 10x will get just about any distance done. The reason I like zoom is for spotting dust trace from a light slow moving bullet at 5,000 feet away.
I agree Logan. I have the benefit of my brother spotting for me with a Leupold Mark IV spotting scope. I know you go shooting alone a lot of the time. Big difference.
Horrible? Really? That's a bit of an exaggeration. I got 2; 1FP and 2FP both are fine tested to over 1400 yards. They track great and clarity for price point, is superb in my opinion. Sure its no Swarovski, Hensoldt or Schmidt and Bender, but dude for most glass under 1K to get to 1,000 or to a mile? their value can't be beat.
First video I've seen showing different zoom settings at different long ranges but trying to listen to you while the f*****g music is blasting away ruined it for me, I stopped watching while you were in your truck.
This is just me and my opinion, what we have here is the shooter's frame of mind. One thing you brought to the table. the giggle of the crosshairs. The higher the power the amplified the disturbance, Thuss the more distracted the shooter becomes. In your mind, your thoughts are to control the giggle and settle the aim. It becomes more and more difficult to do so the more you try. This leads to "Now.. Now.. Get it NOW"!! and you rush your shot and slam the jerk on the trigger trying to anticipate the recoil in the control of the crosshair. This throws the shot into wherever the crosshairs were at the moment the bullet left the crown. and you just can't snapshot that. Learning how to control your thoughts is one of the most challenging things in good marksmanship. People have a tendency to try to Buy their way into accuracy instead of learning How to think and aim. as far as Glass, I feel that a digitally enhanced target won't make you a better shot. a reasonably clear optic that passes the box test is all you need, Like you stated, 3X9 will suffice for 98% of all shooting.
Great points Thor’s Axe! On one hand I don’t like how shaky the filming is but on the other, like you said, it shows how it really amplified the effect of movement. My hope for this video is to get someone out shooting with what they have instead of thinking they need a Nightforce ATACR or something to even begin.
Im very much a beginner, ive only had my long range platform a couple of weeks,prior to this the furthest i had shot was 200m. I m running a Burris xtr2 8-40 ffp with f class moa reticle. I was close to buying a lower powered optic, but at least one of my friends was pushing me for higher mag and im glad i did! Now ive not had the opportunity to stretch this rifle legs past 500m yet (range limit) but up to that even i find it far easier to shoot anything past 100m wit higher mag, im not just talking about scoring hits on steel, because thats very achievable, see guys doing it all the time with milsurps with irons, im talking consistent groups on paper.I really find it far easier to get more consistent point of aim with higher mag, even if we are talking shooting at 100m with a 22lr! I consistently shoot tighter groups at 100m with rifles with decent magnification , say 12-14 than other with 8 or less. Ive got 3 scoped .22lr's to choose from in my safe right now, all sub moa and all have good quality glass, but different power levels. Fixed 4,fixed 8 and 4-12 are the options and when we talking about getting as close to the potential of the rifles, the higer mag sure helps me to get there. This is just my experience, im no spring chicken and for sure my eyes arent what they used to be (when i was 20 I could hit birds in the head @20m with irons on an old springer .177!) and i would have found it easier when i was younger for sure!
Thanks so much Tim, yeah like I said that mount is pretty much the reason I was able to make the video at all. Otherwise it’s just opinion and speculation. Here people can decide for themselves what Zoom looks like enough at each range
Good informative video,When customers bring up the subject of scope magnification I tell them If your looking at a target at 100yds with a 4x scope the target appears like it would at 25 yds with the naked eye. ThenI ask them what power scope they think was used on the 1903A4,M1C,M1D used in WW2 & Korea .When I tell them that the M81 & M82 was only 2.5 power & the M84 was 2.2 they go WOW Yes and those Snipers engaged & hit targets up to 1000yds. Carlos Hathcock favored the 8 power Unertl scope,Chuck Mawhinney used a Redfield 3x9 Accurange scope But he kept it on 9x so the POI wouldn’t change. A good quality fixed power scope is actually better than a adjustable power scope As with a low quality adjustable scope POI can change going from low to higher powers.
The music wrecked what would have been a great video. Its still very good but woulda been alot better cause there for a couple of mins you couldnt hear what you were saying. No need for anything more than intro and outro music for a video like this
Gotta be able to see it to shoot it. I've got near perfect vision but I shoot a 4-16 power scope on my guns and have it at 16 for anything 100 yards and above. It's just what I'm comfortable with.
I think the advantage of a higher power scope is to use it as a dual purpose. You can crank it up to see more detail if needed or as a spotting scope. And adjust down for a steadier reticle and shot. But if needed you have the extra zoom. But it isn’t a must. A good 4-14 will get most people where they need to be. Great video.
If you have good eyes you don't need much but if your eyes suck like mine you need a good scope with plenty of power. I can use 3x9 for hunting up to about 300yds but after that I need more. For target shooting I like around 20x
does shooting with scope makes it easier to hit target thats far away? Also i have a question, like the holosights is the bullet always going to hit where the point or the reticle is pointing at.
Good video bro...I’ve had this cheap 3-9 Leupold VX1 ($172) forever...is all I really need...granted I’ve never shot a deer, hog, or coyote for that matter over 500yds....usually these creatures are 300 yards or less...most are within 200 yards...and 3-9 scope is Plenty for me...I like that AR SPR set up...I might assemble one....I’ve only use BOlt Actions...never did like shooting 308, it’s expensive and overkill in my experience...5.56/.223 does it for me within 400yds...unbelievable how .223/5.56 is underrated up to 600 yards...I shot a deer with my 308 and what a waste of meat and big chunk of hole....5.56/.223 neck shot ALL DAY for me! Don’t you shoot .223/5.56 on shoulder on cayote or deer at 400 yards...you’ll be hiking!! Neck shot on Cayote and deer out to 400yds...it will drop!
This demonstrates why most once a year hunters are really pushing it, just to get that deer out at 200 yards! And I've never recommended them streaching it past that! Only a few riflemen have both the training and or recent experience (practice) to go much farther.
Not to mention bullets lose energy fast after 500 yards. If trying to kill an animal, its important to get close and shoot straight. Most hunters have no business shooting past 250.
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I never use more than 10x on PRS competitions. Much easier to get to the next target. Those I go to are at the most 1300 yards.
Yeah mirage appears in the heat at any zoom, if you can get off the ground like from a truck bed it really helps mirage. Or even a table. Give that a try if you can
Interesting suggestion, I haven’t heard that is what they suggest, however I think as a military force you want a wide field of view, it could save your life knowing what’s coming from any side! Stationary Target shooting is a bit different and I would agree with you
Go to a smallbore benchrest shoot and have a look at the optics used, how the military employs optics and how civilians do can be completely different. An abrbitary number like 1x per 100 yards is not helpful.
This is because in the military, the goal is to hit a man-sized target at 1,000 yds. The goal is to hit anywhere on a person in the military. If you are happy being able to hit somewhere on a 2'x6' target, then by all means, stick with that. My goal is all headshots or center of mass, so per the original poster, John, I agree. The closer I can bring the target to me, the more detail, the better shot placement. Zooming out doesn't make the wiggles go away, it just hides them so you can pretend they aren't there.
Great video. With age comes the shaking too. Even a tiny amount of your hands shaking makes it hard to keep steady. Maybe if I could lob a grenade downrange it would even the odds.
With my Savage 10 .308 I only shoot out to about 875 but could do 1000 on a silhouette sized target. I run a fixed 10x SWFA SS. For the money I had to spend at the time I decided its best to have better quality glass and tracking than higher variable power ability; no regrets at all. If you practice with what you have you'll get good at it- the key. Btw...I've also got 20/15 vision so that helps.
Nice comparison. Did you adjust parallax between distances? I don't mean to insult your intelligence. It just looked a but fuzzy in the video at longer range. I absolutely agree with you on being able to shoot long distance with low power. I have a rifle set up for supported prone with a 3-15x scope. When I went to use it for NRA High Power Long Range, at a 1,000 yard match, the scope was too close to my eye to use it at 15x in the sling supported prone. I had to back it out to 10x to eliminate scope shadow. My first time shooting this match with that rifle, and I got a High Master score three times consecutively (97% of available points). On 10x, I could see the scoring rings on the target.
Spot on again with everything man , I shoot extended ranges w SS 10x . Got a SS 6x on a AR . Love the scopes . Tracking is excellent.Great stuff man . Keep putting out the vids dude .
My 4x12x40 Vortex Diamondback Tactical on the good old 30-06 Remington 700.. I dry fire my rifle and I helps with long range hunting. You should know how your rifle shoots! It will help you
Is that U mount not available anymore? Been trying to find one, but can't seem to find their site, or way to purchase it. Great video by the way. Wish I had that kind of area to practice at.
If you took nothing else from this wonderful clip, take THIS! >>> 8:24 UNDERSTAND what you do so you can do it right with MINIMAL kit. Afterall you ain't there to show off something/anything! Peace.
Great video, man! Looking at getting into long range shooting myself and I was discouraged by the price tags of the high-magnification good-quality optics. I settled on a Vortex 6-18 Crossfire II and this video made me feel much better about being able to reach out to 1,000 yards. Thanks for taking the time to make and put this out!
As far as you being able to see, absolutely that scope will do it. And I know what you mean about the crazy prices! Dude a great option is SWFA fixed power scopes. They are all 300$ but they have a 30 mm tube and there turrets have lots of adjustment to get you to 1,000 Yards. Depending on your cartridge choice it may be difficult for you to adjust the scope and do hold overs. By all means try! But down the road an SWFA scope really is a bargain for the beginning long range shooter
Great vid. Here in Iron County Utah I've had great success with the fixed SWFA SS 10X 700LR .30-06 (175g SMK) and a SWFA SS 12X 77V .280Rem (168g SMK). Both shoot 1km fine, and really shine at 600m. With higher magnification mirage kills you in summer. MOA same preference over MRAD.
Aim small, miss small. My best 100 yard groups are always done when I'm set on the lowest power. But I have to admit, the further out the target, the more likely I am to crank it all the way up and maybe settle it down...or not.
Hey man great review. Yes this helped me. Most of my shooting is going to be out to 400-500 yards but I wanted ability to go to 1000. I went with the vortex diamondback tactical 4-16*44. Again thanks and great video!
Well hell I have scopes in that magnification range. I was thinking I would need more for a Bergara HMR b14 I just picked up. I’m considering picking up a primary arms glx 4-16x50 but didn’t think 4-16 would be enough. So I started looking at the anything above 16 the price jumps considerably.
Considering the mk12 was a 2-10 power I mean how much do you really need I’m building a mk12 clone at the moment and asking myself the same question sure with my 14.5 gun and a eotech 3x I can get consistent hits out to 500-550 on a 10” steel plate but I’m just guessing by knowing my holds with no real crosshairs holding to the bottom dot with top dot zeroed at 200 but I know I’m going ffp looking at a few trijicon and vortex scopes
There's no such thing as harder to hold still. You're either still or your not and if you're shaking then so will the scope. If you can't hold it on target at 50x then you can't hold on target at 2x. You just happen to see how crappy you are at holding the gun. Zooming out to remove shake can't make you more accurate unless you got so much shake you're going cross-eyed and bothering you that much. At that point, you may as well find a better rifle support.
Are you kidding me?! Come on I’ve watched plenty of war movies. I know very well that a snipers scope zooms all the way into a persons face at 12 miles. I mean who do you think we are? Next you’ll try to tell us that a 1911 does not hold 57 bullets in its magazine. Oops sorry I meant to say clip.
They also shoot at targets that are large enough to see with the naked eye at 1200 yards. Some of those BPCR targets are 8 feet square. Its still no small feet to hit something that far away.
See a better and updated video here with clearer information and no music th-cam.com/video/3KRMP_FLm48/w-d-xo.html
Could you do some shooting. Get an average percentage of hits at 9x vs 15x vs 20x or something? Thanks for the video!
This was a great video. I wish I had seen this a long time ago. Really made me understand magnification better.
Aaaaaah, you read my mind! Thx, appreciate the work you put in
Believe me, your audio isn’t terrible from the wind as you claim, it’s the music that drowns you out at about 5:30
Believe me I had the raw footage there was no audio left. Just turn it up and enjoy it
Hank he voiced over the original footage, just played visual without the original audio.
Your video helped me decide on going with the 3-9x42 I was looking at.
Keep doing what you're doing.
Agree totally
@@WestDesertShooter adding more background noise isn’t going to fix that 😂, but thanks for the video
For six years in the Marine Corps I qualified with my M14 and 16 at 200, 300 and 500 meters with aperture sights and 50 years younger eyes. :)
How big were the targets
Brendan Marriott All I can remember is the “Baker” target was a 10” circle for the 500 m prone. The “Dog” target simulated the profile of a man in the prone position at the 300 m sitting and kneeling. I can’t recall the size of the target for the 200 m offhand. Seems like it was similar in size to the Baker target. We used a 6 o’clock hold in those days. Later it was changed to a center mass hold.
@@kennethbailey2616 That's the way to train.....With open sights FIRST...before relying on a scope.
100 yds with open sights is same as 1000 yds with a 10x scope.
Most think they don't need much more than 10x but yet can't group for shit at 100 yds with open sights. Lol
Targets? There were targets?
Bud, video's like this is pure education (so firstly thank you), it would be awesome to have it sans the music. Thank you for posting again.
Nice video Man!! I'm looking at a .308 for 200 - 800 yrd shots. I don't think I need anything over 14x for that. You really put it all into perspective, thanks!
No problem glad it helped!
I personally like Vortex Viper PST 5-25x adjustable zoom with second focal plane.
Update, I bought an eotech vudu 3.5 x 18 and its awesome.Put it on a spuhr mount and it's my new sweetheart. I can see hits on shoot and c at 200 plus yards. We have a short range so maybe further. I almost got the 10 power till I saw your vid so thumbs up.
A scope doesn’t help you shoot better, it helps you see better. Amazing video. I’m a fan of high magnification. I can’t see shit unless I have it.
Absolutely right man! And I like magnification too that’s why I chose fixed 20x scopes
Yea as you get older you need a scope.
Jim Pepper yup, you cant hit what you cant see
Jim Pepper these are profound and true words.
Back when i was young i had great eye sight and shot deer long range open sights. Now days i can hardly see side of barn so high powered scopes is a must.
Great video Spud I appreciate the information but please turn the music off,😧
I’m glad YOU could see the targets, most of the time, I could not.
Honestly they would like a lot clearer in person. Looking through a camera, through a phone screen, leaves a lot to be desired.
I really appreciate your time and effort on this video! This video help explain much confusing with optics.
Thanks,
John
must be nice to have access to shoot those distances.
Man , People need to take a note from you. On how to make videos on scopes, thanks very simple and actually give meaning.... you should review all the scopes 😅
I'm new to long range shooting I just put a 6 X 24 Power Scope on my Weatherby it's my dream rifle and I finally finished it with a Zeiss 6 X 24 by 50 Conquest 4 scope I didn't have the money to put something really nice on it like a VX 6 Leopol... My rifle is a 300 Weatherby Magnum Mark 5 Deluxe.. I haven't fired it yet or sight it in... I've never owned a rifle this nice before in my life. So I'm pretty excited about going out and shooting it for the first time. I also had a muzzle brake installed on it to reduce recoil..
I have four mark 5 in 300 weatherby I only get a inch group out of weatherby ammo but I get half inch with my 180psp Remington ammo getting ready to sell mine I don't like the kick on my shoulder I'm getting the 6.5 300 in mark 5
A good rule of thumb if you purchase a fixed power scope make it a fixed 10x, but at most 12x. Any stronger than that it will pick up to much mirage if the outside temp is high. For a variable power scope buy 1 power for every 100 yards you mite shoot. For instance. If you mite shoot 1500yrds get a max 15 power scope. I have a 3-18x50 Vortex Razor myself. I have shot over a mile with it. 1 mile = 1760yrds so there for 18 power scope. My target was 12”x12” steel plate. Very easy to see. Hope this helps.
That's a good rule of thumb I never knew that and wish I did but now I will remember that thanks. And this was a great video one problem is the crass hair are to big and cover up the target.
I respectfully disagree. For shooting pd's or smaller game at 500 yards and over I use 20x power scope and sometimes it feels like I could use more. I say use what YOUR eyes say you need. I'd rather have a 20x variable and turn it down then 15x power and not able to turn it up.
Lke your videos. Very informative. Don't care for the distracting background music/noise!! (LOL).
Interesting, I had someone else say they liked it. Haha. Thanks man
I honestly didn't even notice the music until I read the comments!
Marines were picking off German soldiers in excess of 700 yards with iron sights in World War 1. Couple of years after Quigley Down Under came out people were shooting black powder cartridge rifle rounds 10 and 12 in at 1200 yards with iron sights. I believe the world record for smokeless powder at a thousand yards was only seven and three quarters at the time.
Thank you for the comparison, you saved me a ton of time figuring out what scope to buy!
This was VERY helpful. Thank you for the effort.
Great video. You don't need a lot of zoom to see the target, but if you want to see your hits/misses and call your own shots a higher magnification is required...
Even for spotting misses it isn’t required but it helps
Well I was unable to see the 1000 yard target and I cudnt see the 500 till u wound it all the way up so it looks like I need something significantly better then 24 power
It looks worse on this than actually seeing it in reality
The bad thing about high magnification is that you can see more of how much you are moving around.
I do wish you would cut out the cover music, it camouflages the words you are saying, and makes it very difficult to understand what you are saying! Every bit as bad as wind noise!
I really don't understand the reasoning behind all the background music/noise so many you tubers insist on playing and then try to tell a story to the public. It is counter intuitive and a waste of time. Use it in your intro and sign off if you must, but please leave it out of your dissertations.
Thank you,
Gabby
Exactly, it's a millennial thing from what I can see on TH-cam, true instructional video isn't a music video
this is the best video on scopes I've ever seen well-done brother .God bless
Ppl quit crying about the music, I heard every word he said, the music had no lyrics and went well.
Helpful for my needs. Definitely reconsidering some of my magnification options for my ar
Great video, it'll help a lot. Just bought another AR so I'll need another scope, I may have to do some shifting but at least now I know what I need at the higher end.
I learned. The magnification help to see the small print. I used to shoot with a nightforce 5-20x56.
I swap it for a nightforce 3-10x42.
Best 'down-scale' scope I never thought I'll say. Quality of the lens helps. If I knew what I know now. I'll pick a fixed scope anytime. Nightforce don't do fixed as far as I know. Pick what's comfortable. You're buying it😁
yeah. ?
when I was your age I could see a gnat a 1000 yds with 14x fixed .
now I'm 56 and need the 20x in leupold VX-3i 6.5-20x50 long range precision ffp scopes
Depends on how small your target is: man size or Prairie Dog, etc.
Absolutly awesome video! Thank you for taking the time to show what the ranges look like through different magnification.
So offten people argue you need 24x plus to reach out there, when in actuality you can make it happen with a 10x.
I only have the chance to shoot past 400yd a few times a year and don't have the time to video it.
Instrumental shoegaze works miraculously well with shooting videos.
I used a cheap 3-9x42 scope on my hunting rifle. I was running into problems at 400 meters... Turns out the glass didn't let enough light through the scope. I bought a Swarovski X5I 5-25x56 and I am absolutely in love with it, mounted it on my Accuracy International.
a $3000 scope better be worth it
@@MatthewSmith-uf6tr It certainly is
The wind wasn’t nearly as distracting as the music
Thanks for sharing!!! I'm new in this and it was so helpful!!!
Be sure to watch my better version of this video comparing zoom at 1 mile and 1000 Yards. It’s much better
Thanks Good info. Looking for a new scope for my .308 build. This really helped...
Very helpful video. Building my first custom rifle and have finally arrived at my final component which is an optic. Was torn between a Leupold vx5 3-15 and a vx6 2-12. I like the field of view the vx6 offers at 2X and after watching this video i think 12X magnification will be enough.
FWIW 3x has gotten me to 750 just fine.
But really. I think it comes down to our eyes and skill.
I hear people say that . However to a certain degree it's kind of like another way of saying it depends how much handicap you want to give yourself . For me the answer is none , so long as I cannot actually afford the accessory and it doesn't have a form factor that negates the purpose of the rifle . I can shoot without optics , but I always shoot better with them close or far.
Thank you very much for sharing your knowledge
Awesome!
Great video...
Very informative
On average 25 zoom is max for most 2K+ scopes, you need light and color etc, to get zoom.(light transmission.
Clearest i looked threu was a Zeis Henshold 6x24-72.
Also threu a Scmit%Bender 50x zoom and a March 60 zoom, beyond 30/40 less details you will see.
Also depends on what duty youre scope will do.
Bench rest/F-class, or just 100 meters, or tactical shooting.
Pick a good scope than can do, with can do atleast 25x,
Nightforce makes a 4-32x50 for $2150
How much zoom would I need for 300 yards MAX? I currently have a 2x7
I really didn't understand how little zoom you needed until I took my 6-24X50 out to the range for the first time and could see my hits at 500 yards perfectly fine. Anybody that watched that video and was underwhelmed by the lower magnification, seeing it on video is only about 1/3 as zoomed as it is in real life since the lens takes up way more of your vision than your computer or phone screen does.
Put your money into glass and you'll see the difference . When I went from Leopold to Zeiss I could see the difference . You will too .
You're doing a fine job with the video, very good subject and idea for communicating it. But the sound track is distracting and hard to hear over - not good. Truly, it's worse than the windy day.
isnt 10 MOA 1000 yards? Im having a hard time understanding how scopes and moa works. If I zero my scope in at 100 yards at the center dot, would I have to aim at the 10 mark on the scope to hit 1000 yards?
Nice and to the point. Good vid.
Logan. I shoot 1000-1250 with a Leupold VX3 3.3x10
when shooting out to 1760+ I set the Vortex PST to 24x
People get hung up on more magnification. Quality glass trumps all.
3.5x10
Yes sir I agree with you! I think many people have this idea that they need a telescope to even see the target but truthfully a 10x will get just about any distance done. The reason I like zoom is for spotting dust trace from a light slow moving bullet at 5,000 feet away.
I agree Logan. I have the benefit of my brother spotting for me with a Leupold Mark IV spotting scope. I know you go shooting alone a lot of the time. Big difference.
You are correct, glass quality is far more important, unfortunately the PST has horrible glass.
Horrible? Really? That's a bit of an exaggeration. I got 2; 1FP and 2FP both are fine tested to over 1400 yards. They track great and clarity for price point, is superb in my opinion. Sure its no Swarovski, Hensoldt or Schmidt and Bender, but dude for most glass under 1K to get to 1,000 or to a mile? their value can't be beat.
Great video. Thanks for sharing.
First video I've seen showing different zoom settings at different long ranges but trying to listen to you while the f*****g music is blasting away ruined it for me, I stopped watching while you were in your truck.
I liked it. It helped a lot
i dont know man, i cant see a thing until about 12x. My old eyes need that power. 24 sounds nice.....
Duuude! What's up with the so called music?
Well done thanks
I like it at 18 to 24 power. I want to see where it hits or misses. Good vid
This is just me and my opinion, what we have here is the shooter's frame of mind. One thing you brought to the table. the giggle of the crosshairs. The higher the power the amplified the disturbance, Thuss the more distracted the shooter becomes. In your mind, your thoughts are to control the giggle and settle the aim. It becomes more and more difficult to do so the more you try. This leads to "Now.. Now.. Get it NOW"!! and you rush your shot and slam the jerk on the trigger trying to anticipate the recoil in the control of the crosshair. This throws the shot into wherever the crosshairs were at the moment the bullet left the crown. and you just can't snapshot that. Learning how to control your thoughts is one of the most challenging things in good marksmanship. People have a tendency to try to Buy their way into accuracy instead of learning How to think and aim. as far as Glass, I feel that a digitally enhanced target won't make you a better shot. a reasonably clear optic that passes the box test is all you need, Like you stated, 3X9 will suffice for 98% of all shooting.
Great points Thor’s Axe! On one hand I don’t like how shaky the filming is but on the other, like you said, it shows how it really amplified the effect of movement. My hope for this video is to get someone out shooting with what they have instead of thinking they need a Nightforce ATACR or something to even begin.
Those are both well said points. This is probably the first video ive seen compare zoom at distance. Very well done!
Very well said and excellent points.
Thor's Axe
It’s ‘jiggle’ not ‘giggle’. Giggle is what little kids do when being tickled.
Im very much a beginner, ive only had my long range platform a couple of weeks,prior to this the furthest i had shot was 200m. I m running a Burris xtr2 8-40 ffp with f class moa reticle. I was close to buying a lower powered optic, but at least one of my friends was pushing me for higher mag and im glad i did! Now ive not had the opportunity to stretch this rifle legs past 500m yet (range limit) but up to that even i find it far easier to shoot anything past 100m wit higher mag, im not just talking about scoring hits on steel, because thats very achievable, see guys doing it all the time with milsurps with irons, im talking consistent groups on paper.I really find it far easier to get more consistent point of aim with higher mag, even if we are talking shooting at 100m with a 22lr! I consistently shoot tighter groups at 100m with rifles with decent magnification , say 12-14 than other with 8 or less. Ive got 3 scoped .22lr's to choose from in my safe right now, all sub moa and all have good quality glass, but different power levels. Fixed 4,fixed 8 and 4-12 are the options and when we talking about getting as close to the potential of the rifles, the higer mag sure helps me to get there.
This is just my experience, im no spring chicken and for sure my eyes arent what they used to be (when i was 20 I could hit birds in the head @20m with irons on an old springer .177!) and i would have found it easier when i was younger for sure!
Well done very informative I like the way that you were able to show through the scope what you were talking about
Thanks so much Tim, yeah like I said that mount is pretty much the reason I was able to make the video at all. Otherwise it’s just opinion and speculation. Here people can decide for themselves what Zoom looks like enough at each range
Good informative video,When customers bring up the subject of scope magnification I tell them If your looking at a target at 100yds with a 4x scope the target appears like it would at 25 yds with the naked eye.
ThenI ask them what power scope they think was used on the 1903A4,M1C,M1D used in WW2 & Korea .When I tell them that the M81 & M82 was only 2.5 power & the M84 was 2.2 they go WOW
Yes and those Snipers engaged & hit targets up to 1000yds.
Carlos Hathcock favored the 8 power Unertl scope,Chuck Mawhinney used a Redfield 3x9 Accurange scope But he kept it on 9x so the POI wouldn’t change.
A good quality fixed power scope is actually better than a adjustable power scope
As with a low quality adjustable scope POI can change going from low to higher powers.
Can you use a magnifying glass on your eye to get even more zoom on existing scope?
The music wrecked what would have been a great video. Its still very good but woulda been alot better cause there for a couple of mins you couldnt hear what you were saying. No need for anything more than intro and outro music for a video like this
Gotta be able to see it to shoot it. I've got near perfect vision but I shoot a 4-16 power scope on my guns and have it at 16 for anything 100 yards and above. It's just what I'm comfortable with.
I won't not grant pepper behind pepper
I think the advantage of a higher power scope is to use it as a dual purpose. You can crank it up to see more detail if needed or as a spotting scope. And adjust down for a steadier reticle and shot. But if needed you have the extra zoom. But it isn’t a must. A good 4-14 will get most people where they need to be. Great video.
Well said I have to agree with you there
If you have good eyes you don't need much but if your eyes suck like mine you need a good scope with plenty of power. I can use 3x9 for hunting up to about 300yds but after that I need more. For target shooting I like around 20x
does shooting with scope makes it easier to hit target thats far away? Also i have a question, like the holosights is the bullet always going to hit where the point or the reticle is pointing at.
Very informative
So a 4-16x is basically the sweet spot
Good video bro...I’ve had this cheap 3-9 Leupold VX1 ($172) forever...is all I really need...granted I’ve never shot a deer, hog, or coyote for that matter over 500yds....usually these creatures are 300 yards or less...most are within 200 yards...and 3-9 scope is Plenty for me...I like that AR SPR set up...I might assemble one....I’ve only use BOlt Actions...never did like shooting 308, it’s expensive and overkill in my experience...5.56/.223 does it for me within 400yds...unbelievable how .223/5.56 is underrated up to 600 yards...I shot a deer with my 308 and what a waste of meat and big chunk of hole....5.56/.223 neck shot ALL DAY for me! Don’t you shoot .223/5.56 on shoulder on cayote or deer at 400 yards...you’ll be hiking!! Neck shot on Cayote and deer out to 400yds...it will drop!
223 suck for deer hunting.... For anything
@@jamessammann9183 if you're a bad shot!!
@@junfelipe4 I will never shoot a deer with a 223 ever they run off and die I won't shoot a animal and make it suffer
Nice video. But man that over lay music is way to dang loud and definitely not needed
Great video
My eyes must be bad not what I’d call easy to see the target at 1000 yds on 12x
if you are a sniper, you need magnification, because you have to see every think, guns, drougs, people...
I’m certainly not a sniper. Neither are 99.9% of people on TH-cam
I like to see hits on steel 1000 yards ?
This demonstrates why most once a year hunters are really pushing it, just to get that deer out at 200 yards! And I've never recommended them streaching it past that!
Only a few riflemen have both the training and or recent experience (practice) to go much farther.
Not to mention bullets lose energy fast after 500 yards. If trying to kill an animal, its important to get close and shoot straight. Most hunters have no business shooting past 250.
I never use more than 10x on PRS competitions. Much easier to get to the next target. Those I go to are at the most 1300 yards.
I didn't know Peyton Manning was a long range shooter, lol.
I thought I was the only one!
When shooting during the summer months does you're scope pick up the heat waves from the ground when you get around 14 power and higher ?
Yeah mirage appears in the heat at any zoom, if you can get off the ground like from a truck bed it really helps mirage. Or even a table. Give that a try if you can
Per the military, 1 power for every 100 yards. So 10X for 1,000 yards.. I prefer more power than that myself...
Interesting suggestion, I haven’t heard that is what they suggest, however I think as a military force you want a wide field of view, it could save your life knowing what’s coming from any side! Stationary Target shooting is a bit different and I would agree with you
I actually agree with this and I follow this for the most part with every scope I buy. I have absolutely no problem hitting 1000 yards with a 10x.
Go to a smallbore benchrest shoot and have a look at the optics used, how the military employs optics and how civilians do can be completely different. An abrbitary number like 1x per 100 yards is not helpful.
This is because in the military, the goal is to hit a man-sized target at 1,000 yds. The goal is to hit anywhere on a person in the military. If you are happy being able to hit somewhere on a 2'x6' target, then by all means, stick with that. My goal is all headshots or center of mass, so per the original poster, John, I agree. The closer I can bring the target to me, the more detail, the better shot placement. Zooming out doesn't make the wiggles go away, it just hides them so you can pretend they aren't there.
Depends on your military experience. For all of the 4 years that I was in the Air Force, I handled firearms for maybe 10 Hours.
Great video. With age comes the shaking too. Even a tiny amount of your hands shaking makes it hard to keep steady. Maybe if I could lob a grenade downrange it would even the odds.
With my Savage 10 .308 I only shoot out to about 875 but could do 1000 on a silhouette sized target. I run a fixed 10x SWFA SS. For the money I had to spend at the time I decided its best to have better quality glass and tracking than higher variable power ability; no regrets at all. If you practice with what you have you'll get good at it- the key. Btw...I've also got 20/15 vision so that helps.
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@@simplyrise5217 I'm a hunter and would never choose to take a kill shot over 500. Its not that difficult at all.
Got a one 1.5/6 on my 222 and a 4/16 on my 243. There's nothing i can't see up to a 1000 meters...
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Nice comparison. Did you adjust parallax between distances? I don't mean to insult your intelligence. It just looked a but fuzzy in the video at longer range.
I absolutely agree with you on being able to shoot long distance with low power. I have a rifle set up for supported prone with a 3-15x scope. When I went to use it for NRA High Power Long Range, at a 1,000 yard match, the scope was too close to my eye to use it at 15x in the sling supported prone. I had to back it out to 10x to eliminate scope shadow. My first time shooting this match with that rifle, and I got a High Master score three times consecutively (97% of available points). On 10x, I could see the scoring rings on the target.
I just saw the link and the other video. It looks much better.
Spot on again with everything man , I shoot extended ranges w SS 10x . Got a SS 6x on a AR . Love the scopes . Tracking is excellent.Great stuff man . Keep putting out the vids dude .
Much appreciated! Thanks for watching
My 4x12x40 Vortex Diamondback Tactical on the good old 30-06 Remington 700.. I dry fire my rifle and I helps with long range hunting. You should know how your rifle shoots! It will help you
Is that U mount not available anymore? Been trying to find one, but can't seem to find their site, or way to purchase it. Great video by the way. Wish I had that kind of area to practice at.
If you took nothing else from this wonderful clip, take THIS! >>> 8:24 UNDERSTAND what you do so you can do it right with MINIMAL kit.
Afterall you ain't there to show off something/anything!
Peace.
Great video, man! Looking at getting into long range shooting myself and I was discouraged by the price tags of the high-magnification good-quality optics. I settled on a Vortex 6-18 Crossfire II and this video made me feel much better about being able to reach out to 1,000 yards. Thanks for taking the time to make and put this out!
As far as you being able to see, absolutely that scope will do it. And I know what you mean about the crazy prices! Dude a great option is SWFA fixed power scopes. They are all 300$ but they have a 30 mm tube and there turrets have lots of adjustment to get you to 1,000 Yards. Depending on your cartridge choice it may be difficult for you to adjust the scope and do hold overs. By all means try! But down the road an SWFA scope really is a bargain for the beginning long range shooter
Great vid. Here in Iron County Utah I've had great success with the fixed SWFA SS 10X 700LR .30-06 (175g SMK) and a SWFA SS 12X 77V .280Rem (168g SMK). Both shoot 1km fine, and really shine at 600m. With higher magnification mirage kills you in summer. MOA same preference over MRAD.
If you get a few feet off the ground it really helps with mirage! Is it a factory 280 rem? These scopes are awesome
He’s all.. “you can see the plates pretty well”… as I can’t see anything but grass lol. All I got from this is Id need a buncha zoom 😂
Aim small, miss small. My best 100 yard groups are always done when I'm set on the lowest power. But I have to admit, the further out the target, the more likely I am to crank it all the way up and maybe settle it down...or not.
That’s not what aim small miss small means LOL!
The "music" was too loud and annoying, otherwise a good vid. Thanks for sharing. God bless and Semper fi.
Hey man great review. Yes this helped me. Most of my shooting is going to be out to 400-500 yards but I wanted ability to go to 1000.
I went with the vortex diamondback tactical 4-16*44.
Again thanks and great video!
That’s a great magnification range for that! Exactly what I would run
Well hell I have scopes in that magnification range. I was thinking I would need more for a Bergara HMR b14 I just picked up. I’m considering picking up a primary arms glx 4-16x50 but didn’t think 4-16 would be enough. So I started looking at the anything above 16 the price jumps considerably.
Considering the mk12 was a 2-10 power I mean how much do you really need I’m building a mk12 clone at the moment and asking myself the same question sure with my 14.5 gun and a eotech 3x I can get consistent hits out to 500-550 on a 10” steel plate but I’m just guessing by knowing my holds with no real crosshairs holding to the bottom dot with top dot zeroed at 200 but I know I’m going ffp looking at a few trijicon and vortex scopes
At 4:31 he says he's inside his truck to eliminate wind noise, yet he has loud, annoying ass background music playing...
Is 4x16 enough for 2200 yards
I want to know too.
The music noise is way worse than the wind noise.
There's no such thing as harder to hold still. You're either still or your not and if you're shaking then so will the scope. If you can't hold it on target at 50x then you can't hold on target at 2x. You just happen to see how crappy you are at holding the gun. Zooming out to remove shake can't make you more accurate unless you got so much shake you're going cross-eyed and bothering you that much. At that point, you may as well find a better rifle support.
Are you kidding me?! Come on I’ve watched plenty of war movies. I know very well that a snipers scope zooms all the way into a persons face at 12 miles. I mean who do you think we are? Next you’ll try to tell us that a 1911 does not hold 57 bullets in its magazine. Oops sorry I meant to say clip.
It’s amazing to think that Black Powder Cartridge (BPCR) Guy’s AND Muzzleloader Guy’s shoot 1,000-1,200 yards with open sights/peep sights.
That definitely is incredible
They also shoot at targets that are large enough to see with the naked eye at 1200 yards. Some of those BPCR targets are 8 feet square. Its still no small feet to hit something that far away.