There are so many Chinese brands, no dealers and nowhere to get spares. Which brands will survive? I bought my first moped in 1973 - a 1957 Wittler. I bought my first motorcycle in 1978, a 1972 Suzuki GT550. I always buy used motorcycles with a good reputation. In May I bought a 2018 Suzuki SV650. I will never buy a high displacement motorcycle but may buy a used Chinese motorcycle when they get a dealer network and a good reputation.
@@SuPreMeBikeRs I would not rule out buying anything just because it was made in China. So far as I am concerned it is no different than buying any other imported goods. However, in the case of a new brand i had not heard much about, I might want to be reassured that the import, distribution and spare-parts operations were in place and reliable.
We only see a lack of riders in rich countries where people now can afford cars. In most countries small motorcycles are still popular because they are affordable.
Thats Because the big shot Motorcycle manufacturers used to call the shots. The real bikers do exist in middle class too, its juts the time is shifting and with these bikes more riders will come too.
After three decades of producing largely small capacity bikes of dubious quality, some of the Chinese manufacturers are looking as if they are now offering some larger models of good quality and well thought out specifications. Their next challenge is to set up a network of dealers in key markets who can provide top quality aftersales support. Not easy, but of critical importance.
Establishing dealers might not be the real issue here! the real issue is the lack of compatible parts for the regular Motorcycle Maintenance. Chine brands have lots of exclusive parts in their bikes so their Costumer/User can't buy anything but from the main brand itself. And if the chinese brand doesn't has the parts required for Maintenace/Repairs available in its dealers, the chinese motorcycles become useless once it's broken. One of my bestfriends has a motorcycle business since the last century and most of his brands are chinese since 2015, and he's always looking out for spare parts (new and 2nd hand/used), because these are not easily available and becoming rare (even for the most selled models) and getting more and more expensive. Lots of people are ditching/selling chinese brand bikes in Europe, no matter how good their quality is - why? -Because its users spend most time of year with their bikes halted/parked due to lack of parts, compared to the amount of time they spend riding their chinese bikes. People get fooled by its looks and later, they regret buying it. The rule is: the lower the CC, the worse it gets in this matter.
I have been using the cf moto 800 offroad for almost 2 years now n have taken it to places where many europe bikes wont dare to go n deep down the bike has really shocked me with its power n conquering rough terrains
@@GypsyriderPHno not any chinese product is reliable and long lasting , be it a spoon or a bike or a fighter jet , they all are fragile , because copies are copies and they will never be anywhere near the originals and chinese are only good at copying , nothing else
I am old enough to remember when bikers said that about Japanese motorcycles 🏍. People will buy quality. The Chinese just have to deliver motorcycles that doesn't break down.
Actually, this is true. And that huge success of the Japanese manufacturers is what shook the European manufacturers into making again some marvelous bikes during the last 20-25 years.
@@symonteng6801 its different now chinese bikes is about more technology now and slick design like example cfmoto the #1 chinese bike today they even won motoGP 3
Yes indeed, Honda open their 1st store in 1959 in Los Angeles, and nobody will buy nothing from them, only time will tell how good the chinese bikes can be.
Bought a cfmoto CLX 700 over a year ago . I'm 70 years old ,had over a dozen bikes . This has been as good as any of them . Just more advanced , love the adjustable Kyb suspension , and cruise control .
People, you should never underestimate the competition. Chinese manufacturing is improving by the day and so is their innovation. That is why they have the fastest growing economy in the world.
After decades of overpricing and robbing us ( by major bike brands ) I am super glad for newcomers in the market. By showing them my support , I even order one bike ....
Chinese brands have lots of exclusive parts in their bikes so their Costumer/User can't buy anything but from the main brand itself. And if the chinese brand doesn't has the parts required for Maintenace/Repairs available in its dealers, those motorcycles become useless once it's broken from lack of maintenance or due to be waiting for parts. One of my bestfriends has a motorcycle business since the last century and most of his brands are chinese since 2015, and he's always looking out for spare parts (new and 2nd hand/used), because these aren't easily available and are becoming rare (even for those most selled models) and getting more and more expensive. Lots of people are ditching/selling chinese brand bikes in Europe, no matter how good their quality is. Why? -Because its users spend most time of year with their bikes halted/parked due to lack of parts, compared to the amount of time they spend riding their chinese bikes. People get fooled by its looks and later, they regret buying it. The rule is: the lower the CC of that chinese bike, the worse it gets in this matter. The bottomline is: on the short/long run, the chinese brands will do the same has the japanese do from the start: «overpricing and robbing us». #Migueruta 🏍Ride safe and watch good movies!💯😉
@@migueruta If all that happened, just buy the part directly from China and pay for the transport, and it will still cheaper than buying parts from KTM, BMW, or Honda!!!
@@Maximius38 « just buy the part directly from China and pay for the transport, and it will still cheaper» - I know what you mean but that's easier said than done, mate. Around here, you're not allowed to do Maintenance Service on your bike while it's still under warranty - otherwise it will void the Warranty.. Besides that, not all riders have the proper tools nor even the knowledge, to do maintenance work on their motorcyles. Thank you for your attention! Ride safe!🏍😉
@@migueruta Don't do it by ur self, brink the part from china, and go fix the bike where did you buy it from, so you don't loose the warranty. also, CfMoto, TRK, etc of big Chinese brands, don't give sellers permission to represent them as easy as it was before with shitty Chinese brands, those new mega companies requires a large, presentable garages, worthy of the biggest brands, with all the equipment and spares parts stock. they are game changing, I know it from my own experience...
I'm 70. Have owned around 100 motorcycles. I used to sneer at India and China produced bikes. Although fond of all bikes, I always questioned QC of the China bikes. However, it's my belief that they've improved tremendously in manufacturing acumen and metallurgy. Thus, I recently ordered a X-Pro Paladin 300 EFI.
I'm the sucker that would pay $2k more for a bike so I can get parts easily, take it to local mechanics, have it serviced if I'm out of town, have the confidence that it will get 20 years of parts availability, retains resale value and, last, doesn't make me look to cheap to fully invest in my love of motorcycles. But that's just me.
They said the same thing about Japanese bikes not so long ago. If you look at the history, anything that was made by Japanese like motorcycles and cars was considered trash. Now there are collectors of what use to be called trash. I'm going to buy a 2025 model soon as they hit the dealers. I know a lot of people that plan the same thing. I use to be loyal to USA brands but since they are not really USA made anymore, I have discontinued this mindset. My ford truck was made in Mexico. Clearly US brands don't care about brand loyalty anymore. Not only that, but they have priced themselves out of the market. The American people have been reduced to the lowest common denominator. Price!!! I can get near the same quality of bike for just a little over half the price. And another thing, CFMoto has a warranty that is 2 times that of most other companies. If they are willing to do that then they must have faith that the product is of good quality.
@@ibewscott69 Actually, I am literally in love with 2 bikes, one of them is an Indian FTR 1200. But I live in Europe, and the cost of purchasing and maintaining one is much higher than it should have been. Ironically enough, since many of its parts are made by European companies!
I'll take a new SRK 1000 @ 9,000 than anything used in that price range. If your lucky you will buy something used without having to put another 3k into maintenance.
Imagine providing the buyer / rider / customers with more features, longer range & protection for less money? It’s something the Japanese, Taiwanese, Italians, Indians & Germans haven’t done?
For those of us who just want to ride and aren’t overly bothered about ‘status’, switching to bikes from the far-east or India has been a ‘no-brainer’ for some time. The range of choice is expanding rapidly, running costs are low and durability is surprisingly good (and constantly improving). Existing leading brands will have to decide whether to stay in the game and compete toe to toe by shifting manufacturing to wherever its cheapest, or whether to move their range even further up-market in the hope of hanging on to a loyal following for whom the badge on the tank is the only thing that matters. I suspect most of us will become increasingly reluctant to pay the difference.
I think it will depend on how often they need to be serviced and how much a service will cost, and whether anyone is near-by who can do it. My BMW servicing costs are horrendous.
Been riding for over 40 years. Of course sticking with brands available today and paying the prices. Starting over, I’d definitely consider the Chinese brands at those price points. A new young rider certainly will look at them as will the riding schools. There’s no doubt things are going to change and the big European brands will need to change as well. Exciting times.
I have never purchased a Chinese product that was worth its lower price. When I was a kid we all were familiar with “Japanese junk”. I’m afraid it will take time for Chinese manufacturing to evolve the way the Japanese have.
japanese bikes cant even invent tft display on their jap bikes. they even waited for china to invent one wahahaha. poor belief you got since you are a kid.
The Chinese have already surpassed the Japanese. Do you find any Japanese smartphone brands that dominate the global market. Like Samsung, Apple or Chinese Xiaomi, Vivo or Oppo. The Japanese are now learning from the Chinese how to build an affordable and tech rich evs.
CFMoto Voge and Zontes are delivering very quality bikes and its just getting better by day. I had a chinese built Benelli TRK 502 X and absolutely nothing wrong with its built quality as they almost all come from the same motorbike plant Qianjiang Loncin and so on.
You might not, a lot of new riders like myself haven't had to deal with the older bad Chinese bikes and the stigma around them. I own a CFMoto 450SR. Ive done 32,000km on mine and not a single problem, low maintenance cost and sounds and feels amazing. I replaced the stock tires after 8,000km to some pirellis besides that the rest is the same.
My experience with Chinese bikes has been great. Bought my first one in 2007 and rode it 53,000 miles. Also have a Chinese quad and a scooter that have both been trouble free. Only buy a Chinese bike if you're willing to do all maintenance and repairs yourself, or at least have a shop lined up.
Honestly some of these are impossible to overlook. I hope they prove reliable because if they do they offer competition to the bigger brands and that's a good thing for the consumers. If bikes like the 800mt-x the Kove 800 and the ds800 rally prove their worth with such incredible prices the bigger manufacturers are surely going to make even better bikes or be forced to lower the prices to compete.
The Chinese bikes have pierced the market explosively. In just the last 5 years I've seen them belittled as inferior to full blown respect. It's a new era. I have no doubt they will flourish in the U.S. markets soon.
That's right, my friend! The future of motorcycles is in Chinese factories, which in a couple of years will produce motorcycles for all the recognized brands!!!
As long as machining and metal are of high quality and staying in business for parts availability is the key for a successful product. Most quality Japan manufacturers motorcycle last very long in high mileage
You say that but japan was making consumer electronics for decades - china now makes much more: smartphones, tvs etc. Where was your smartphone made, is it of acceptable quality?
…. It’s what the British and Americans said about the Japanese cars in the 60s and when the ‘73 OPEC happened in the states HONDA was king with their little Civic CVCC changed the minds of many, then the British manufacturing corps such as British Leyland /BMC collapsed followed by the the American market moving to Japanese’s imports.. Then came along the Koreans with Kia/Hyundai in the mid-80s yet they’re outselling most manufacturers world wide for the last 35 years.. Even BMW source their engines from Scandinavian, Indian and British manufacturers, the Japanese market in the mid-90s had Chinese manufacturing companies rebrand Honda, Yamaha and Vespa / piaggio, so your theory of Japanese reliability isn’t the same as it once was as others are catching up…
@Incountry Agree. Honda and Toyota and Nissan are not what they used to be. Seems the whole car industry is going down hill as far as quality controls are put into place.
except that they have already been making motors for ktm bmw benelli etc for some time and sold on to us for a huge profit. Japanese bikes are now bland, just redressed old hat. It's a bitter pill to swallow but 17-18k for a bike! we've been done
It worth to be mentioned that QJ Motor SRK 1000 has the frame and the engine from MV Agusta Brutale 921 and the design is made by C-Creative, which is the design company of Giovanni Castiglioni. Adrian Morton and Paolo Bianchi work with him. Also, the design of Moto Morini is made by the same C-Creative.But I doubt SRK 1000 will be only 9000 euro in Europe, SRK 921 RR costs the equivalent of 8900 euro, but in China.
I have ridden the Svartpilen 401 (2020), Ténéré 700 (2021), MM X-Cape 650 (2022) and currently the CFmoto 450MT, overall I am most satisfied with the CFmoto 450MT
I am a owner of a Chinese bike, the maverick 500,from kove, 10000,i know it is not. Enough, but until now I am very satisfied, with this package, it is runs good, it. Is very stable 45 with 47 hp, it is OK, for me you can see the work on the frame very solid job also the plastic are fit together properly, and their material is very good all in all someone who knows about bikes he can see quality, everywhere, how long it will last? I do not know, but, I know for sure. That the Chinese manufactures will have only progress more and more in the future
IV had about 40 motorbikes done over a million miles. I hope that they deliver the reliability which all bikers want. Next year I'm going to buy two Zontes 368 scooters. Fingers crossed.
Chinese motorbikes will reign supreme. It is history repeating itself, just like what Japanese motorbikes did to european bikes, back in the nineteen seventies.
Honda have been the world's largest motorcycle manufacturer since 1959 with a worldwide network of dealers. The Chinese brands have not reached that level yet. A long way to go.
Unlike Japanese, buying Chinese is voting for CCP, socialism, anti-democracy, anti-human rights. For some people there is apparently no morality in consideration when voting with their money. It is their most powerful vote. If the ignorants in the developed world keep falling into this trap, the ones with this mindset who are closer to the bottom of the economic ladder will just have the boots of the elites pressed on their throats that much harder and wondering what happened.😂😂😂
You must be rich. I would love to have money like that to burn. Country and brand name is not an option for me. For me I'm going with the cheap affordable Chinese. Half the price and as good of quality.
@@ibewscott69 get a cheap bike, wait for it to break down in no time due to quality issues, try to get parts, get stressed because they take to long to arrive, get surprised when the repair costs are higher than expected, get frustrated, try to sell the bike, can't sell the bike because no one wants it
But they are foreign engineering with Chinese financial backing for the prices I will be looking into them. Imaging paying more for less just because culture
Chinese EVs are next level and the world knows it. When we all laugh at Chinese Motorcycle just think about that for a second. It won't be far along until the innovation comes through.
In reality! No riders are gonna consider these cheap knockoffs! The only people who are gonna buy these things are people who would try to ride once and then realize its not for them and quit riding!
westerners are brainwashed starting from conception in the womb that rip off prices mean quality. when boeing planes are falling out of the sky every week , they tell you they are the best plane ever. I remember when Japanese products with affordable prices came to europe we were told how inferior these products were. Later when western consumers found out the truth Eu governments forced to set up factories in europe so that europeans could steal their technology and innovation. History repeating itself..shame.
My dear why don't you visit the china and see what's the reality is, don't just believe what your western media tells you. Chinese PPL r very nice and polite. Country is developed and so clean 🎉
The only way they can take the market to to make parts readily available globally. I had several CFMoto owners complain about the lack or parts for repairs.
The repair shop I worked at took them off the list because parts were miserable to collect and the quality was so poor in some parts of the vehicles that we spent more time repairing the inherent flaws than the actual issue! Gen 1 CFMotos
I wouldnt touch one with a barge pole, i had a scooter once and it fell apart any nut or bolt would strip as harsly any of them are tightened properly because of that! The frame was rustimg from brand new ect ect , the thought of going fast on one is a no go for me.
@@macmac2319 That's not true. I know a lot of entry level people that is looking for cheaper used bikes. I'm entry level too. I cant find used Chinese bikes. I want one to learn on and maybe learn to do wheelies. On the reverse side, i would not buy a used Japanese or American bike. They are way over priced and for that money i can get a brand new bike. For 2018 models some bikes are just maybe a thousand less than a brand new bike. No thanks!!! So buying a cheaper Chinese bike brand new looks pretty good.
There's an issue... Chinese brands have lots of exclusive parts in their bikes, which are not compatible with other brands. This does not allow their Costumer/User to buy parts but from the main brand itself. Often the chinese brand doesn't has the parts required for Maintenace/Repairs available in its dealers so, those motorcycles become useless once they go broken from the lack of maintenance or due to be long waiting for parts. One of my bestfriends has a motorcycle business since the last century and most of his brands are chinese since 2015, and he's always looking out for spare parts (new and 2nd hand/used), because these aren't easily available and are becoming rare (even for those most selled models) and getting more and more expensive. Lots of people are ditching/selling chinese brand bikes in Europe, no matter how good their quality is. Why? - Compared to the amount of time they spend riding their chinese bikes because its users spend most time of year with their bikes halted/parked due to lack of parts, . People get fooled by its looks and later, they regret buying it. The rule is: the lower the CC of that chinese bike, the worse it gets in this matter. The bottomline is: on the short/long run, the chinese brands will do the same has the japanese do from the start: «overpricing and robbing us» when they sell parts. #Migueruta 🏍Ride safe and watch good movies!💯😉
@@侯盛沥poor build quality, poor service after sale, poor resale value, unreliable (I wont risk my life) especially on corners and rain, can’t get broken parts.. on and on.. Bikers are not poor to consider cheap bike and risking life.
@@RogerCanda famous brand cant even invent a tft display to their high end bikes. cant imagine an expensive new model brand of bikes still using a cheap build lcd display because cheap cost will gain more money while telling fools like you that their famous brand is high end technology even it got poor parts wahahaha. thats an excuse for a poor willing victim for the brand especially you already got it. keep on making excuse for many years to come while you expensive brand is still at the low end side of innovation. wahahahaha.
They looking nice. The big question are, how safe and reliable they are. Give it 7-10+ years the time, to build-up there reputation and good trackrecords.
The old adage, you only get what you pay for may well apply here! Chinese copies are well known for their poor reliability and fail to understand all the tech that really goes into bike design! How many are involved in Moto GP's? Are they trying to steal the show without the technical know how? I have to say in mitigation, the beauty we see may not last, but how can you know until you buy and try! Risk your money first and be the bike test for the rest! The price point may win the day for Chinese bikes, but how long will they last and hold their value? Wait a few years and we will see! I am concerned about the short cut in quality materials may prove to be the downfall, looks can be deceiving! Tofu Dregs???
CF Moto are another level, it’s like what happened to Triumph, BSA and British engineering in the late 60s . They sat back when Japanese took over. The 3rd generation crap Chinese products are long gone . Overthinking and overtaking the Japanese and European rivals.
Replying to thelittlesignpost. What are the requirements for Moto GP? The Chinese manufactures are getting towards the displacement required for Moto GP. They're building a good lineup of models for sale to secure a stable business model instead focusing on and betting the farm for racing in Moto GP. CFMoto for the short time they have been in Moto3 have done very well. 2024 World Championship. How well would a liter bike sell in the Asia market to justify all the R&D and money to make it available to a market that cannot afford it. The Chinese will have to build a customer base elsewhere in the world to sell their liter bikes in volume at an affordable price the same way the Japanese brands did years ago to support a Moto GP effort. How well do their liter bikes sell in Japan compared to the rest of their lineup. The European brands in Moto GP sell liter bikes in low volume that are 5 and 6 times the cost of what sells in the Asian market. They rely on worldwide sales at a premium price point for their sales numbers. China is not there yet. I am really not telling you anything you did not take into consideration of how a manufacturer would jump into Moto GP. CFMoto's in Europe get a four-year warranty and price point that is hard to resist. Here in America, we only get a two-year warranty that you can extend out to six years that includes all free service cost for those six years. And the retail price point is cheaper here than in Europe. I have the 450SS/SR that was designed in Italy. ABS/ECU/ fueling by Bosch, Brembo brakes. To use your scripted. You fail to understand all the tech that really went into my bikes design.
Oh they look good... oh so very nice... but I have a bad aftertaste after riding an off-road Chinese bike when the headset opened up after 20 mins, and the bearings dropped out.
I would buy a Chinese motorcycle it's way cheaper, just service it often. I don't know why the other countries sells their bikes so expensive people can't afford them highway robbery
I remember when I was a mechanic starting out over 50 years ago I bought cheap tools do you know how I bought those tools 5 to 6 times then I worked at a place where I bought snap-on tools and I only bought them one time they were made in America and they were tough as hell and I still have them to this day as 45 years of a operating engineer mechanic local 12 Los Angeles
But in the current context where European brands produce motorcycles that are much more expensive than Chinese ones, it is logical that Chinese motorcycles sell more and that European brands are in crisissss
I remember another YT video talking about Chinese brand entering Vietnam, and while the company was able to capture market share, it basically lost most of its market and clients only after several years. Build quality, durability, service, were among several reasons of its decline. Yah, these products might be cheap and look great with all the gimmicks, but more important is how will it perform in 3-5 years.
Yeah, I've had a lot chinese quality before , so far its never been good Reliability may well be an issue I just got a chinese manufactured charger for my laptop ... The end mounding fell of while I was taking it out of the box new and unused. It fell off on the mains electric end showing bare cables that could have easily given me a shock Shoddy dangerous stuff
@@budbud2509 Lol. No matter what the world can't live without Chinese products... Appliances, cell phones, computers, most replacement car parts, clothes, furniture and the list goes on.... In fact, look up where most of the high end moto apparel is made? I have a 2021 Hengjian 450 sumo ( KTM replica with early 2000's Honda motor copy) and it's and awesome toy for the money! So, if you're so unhappy with Chinese product, buy over price products from Japan or Europe.....Also, U.S, products aren't good anymore. Don't believe me go out and buy an American car like a Cheve....
So you wont be having a german bike then cos of the war? Or american cos of their unjustified wars in vietnam, korea, Iraq? Or british cos of their relentless colonisation? Hmmm, doesnt seem so bad now does it?
@@Laavaavaal In fact, not even war against red skin Americans was not justifed, not to mention all the others. Give me just one war (after Second WW) America participated which was fair? Not even one...
Did you forget pearl harbor? Did you forget that US funded covid? Did you forget that almost all have parts made in china? Did you forget that Harley Davidson is moving to India? There are a lot of things you are forgetting to have loyalty to a countries products. If it was 30 years ago i would agree. Things have changed. The lines have been blurred. Things are not what they seem anymore. So will you buy a product who's name and location of origin is not Chinese but is made in china? Honda, Kawasaki, KTM, Yamaha, Harley Davidson, Indian all have their motors made by Chinese companies. Most of the electronics on the these bikes are made in china. One way or another you are giving business to china. The quality is not an issue because they just use the same manufacturing plants that make all the others parts. Your heart is in the right place, but unfortunately the manufactures of products have no such loyalty. It all comes down to the least common denominator. Price!!!
@@Darkmatter321 I live in a town of 100,000 people, with countless bike shops and small engine mechanics... I know many of them personally and none of them will work on anything made in China.
I second that. As a mobile motorcycle mechanic I don't have the time to waste on 4 month backorders on parts that are clearly going to fail again and the CHEAP owners of those bikes that think because the bike cost $3k new, the repair should be 1/3 the cost as well.
Benda are also making some seriously interesting motorcycles, just a pity about the company's name "Benda", what's that all about? Shineray are manufacturing a Harley-Davidson Sportster clone in the form of their V1200 "Stormbreaker", they are marketing the machine in Europe under their SWM brand name. SWM are another Italian brand that is now Chinese owned as are Benelli and Morini.
I bought a Chinese Scooter that looked really nice, but the motor was made out of cheap metal and became evident after putting miles on it. Things started self- destructing.
The problem with Chinese brand motorcycle is the availability and consistency of parts, specially outer parts like fairings. Here in Philippines that's the kind problems we're facing when it comes to china made motorcycle. If you own an older model and you happen to brake the fairings and you need some replacement, good luck finding one.😂
Maybe we'll see more innovation and better prices from the big brands after China put some pressure on them. I think it's a good thing to have more competition between brands
I feel like no one is noticing all of the totally awesome bikes that major manufacturers have released under $10k. I'm riding the triumph Trident 660 right now. It has 17k on it and has ran perfectly since pickup. I never forget to redline a gear and have already replaced the front wheel bearings lol. If you want to own a fantastic bike, go buy it
The coolest motorcycles in the world are made by the Indian company Royal Enfield. No over-engineered nonsense on steroids, Enfields have soul... and are of very high quality and reliable.
China is at the forefront of innovation but number 1 from behind when it comes to durability. The only thing that has extraordinary durability in China is its people, not its products.
🤑Would Y Buy a high-displacemen Chinese motorcycle????
There are so many Chinese brands, no dealers and nowhere to get spares. Which brands will survive? I bought my first moped in 1973 - a 1957 Wittler. I bought my first motorcycle in 1978, a 1972 Suzuki GT550. I always buy used motorcycles with a good reputation. In May I bought a 2018 Suzuki SV650. I will never buy a high displacement motorcycle but may buy a used Chinese motorcycle when they get a dealer network and a good reputation.
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@@SuPreMeBikeRs I would not rule out buying anything just because it was made in China. So far as I am concerned it is no different than buying any other imported goods. However, in the case of a new brand i had not heard much about, I might want to be reassured that the import, distribution and spare-parts operations were in place and reliable.
The only thing that will destroy any brand is the lack of new riders and the gradual decline of us older riders.
We only see a lack of riders in rich countries where people now can afford cars. In most countries small motorcycles are still popular because they are affordable.
No, the demise of the dollar based Bretonwoods economy and the resulting fast disappearance of the middle class - take the red pill.
Here comes the developing countries to save these brands 🫡
Thats Because the big shot Motorcycle manufacturers used to call the shots. The real bikers do exist in middle class too, its juts the time is shifting and with these bikes more riders will come too.
Too much choice, ridiculous.
After three decades of producing largely small capacity bikes of dubious quality, some of the Chinese manufacturers are looking as if they are now offering some larger models of good quality and well thought out specifications. Their next challenge is to set up a network of dealers in key markets who can provide top quality aftersales support. Not easy, but of critical importance.
Establishing dealers might not be the real issue here! the real issue is the lack of compatible parts for the regular Motorcycle Maintenance. Chine brands have lots of exclusive parts in their bikes so their Costumer/User can't buy anything but from the main brand itself.
And if the chinese brand doesn't has the parts required for Maintenace/Repairs available in its dealers, the chinese motorcycles become useless once it's broken.
One of my bestfriends has a motorcycle business since the last century and most of his brands are chinese since 2015, and he's always looking out for spare parts (new and 2nd hand/used), because these are not easily available and becoming rare (even for the most selled models) and getting more and more expensive.
Lots of people are ditching/selling chinese brand bikes in Europe, no matter how good their quality is - why?
-Because its users spend most time of year with their bikes halted/parked due to lack of parts, compared to the amount of time they spend riding their chinese bikes.
People get fooled by its looks and later, they regret buying it.
The rule is: the lower the CC, the worse it gets in this matter.
models of good quality 🤣🤣🤣
That's right my friend! Chinese bikes have to improve some details to really succeed!!!
I agree a lot with your opinion
I have been using the cf moto 800 offroad for almost 2 years now n have taken it to places where many europe bikes wont dare to go n deep down the bike has really shocked me with its power n conquering rough terrains
我已经行驶了36000KM,很满意，唯一不足就是降价太多。
cfmoto is an excellent brand
I love the MT450
They look great but will be as reliable as the weather... I will stick with my track-proven Japanese bikes thank You !!
they are reliable
@@GypsyriderPH not
Agree 💯👍
@@GypsyriderPHno not any chinese product is reliable and long lasting , be it a spoon or a bike or a fighter jet , they all are fragile , because copies are copies and they will never be anywhere near the originals and chinese are only good at copying , nothing else
Compared to ktm they are Japanese
I am old enough to remember when bikers said that about Japanese motorcycles 🏍. People will buy quality. The Chinese just have to deliver motorcycles that doesn't break down.
Ah ya mean like all the other Chinesium Crapolium they dump in America?
Actually, this is true. And that huge success of the Japanese manufacturers is what shook the European manufacturers into making again some marvelous bikes during the last 20-25 years.
It will be very unlikely. Japanese mentality is about being the best. Chinese mentality is to cut every corner for a few cents.
@@symonteng6801 its different now chinese bikes is about more technology now and slick design like example cfmoto the #1 chinese bike today they even won motoGP 3
Yes indeed, Honda open their 1st store in 1959 in Los Angeles, and nobody will buy nothing from them, only time will tell how good the chinese bikes can be.
Bought a cfmoto CLX 700 over a year ago . I'm 70 years old ,had over a dozen bikes . This has been as good as any of them . Just more advanced , love the adjustable Kyb suspension , and cruise control .
@@usalamannarasangsa3180so you plan on being fit to ride at 70 ?
@@usalamannarasangsa3180 you mean the bike is not durable/reliable, or he will reach the end of his life soon?
Greetingss Gary 🔥
CFMOTO is one of the most premium brands at the moment! It looks like a European brand 🔥🔥🔥
thankss for Commenting Buddy 🔥🔥🔥
People, you should never underestimate the competition. Chinese manufacturing is improving by the day and so is their innovation. That is why they have the fastest growing economy in the world.
By stealing everyone's I.P
@MC-ht6lw 😂 competition does not have be fair.
Don't be so sure about a strong economy there.
@@MC-ht6lw It's now the country with the biggest number of invention patents of the world every year. Largely above USA. You're 30 years late.
I hope, the japanese won't lower the quality of their product to match the price of chinese ones!
won't ❌
was ⭕
japanese had more experience, not the quality
There are very few Japanese motorcycles
Nowadays Japanese brands manufacture their motorcycles in Indonesia, India or Thailand! But in Japan very few 🔥🔥🔥
Greetings Koman 🔥
My 2022 v strom 1050 xt is made in Japan and that was a big point when decided for this motorcycle. ❤❤❤@@SuPreMeBikeRs
The same argument was made when Japanese motorcycles came on the scene .
Believe me the build quality will only get better
After decades of overpricing and robbing us ( by major bike brands ) I am super glad for newcomers in the market. By showing them my support , I even order one bike ....
Age old business model, abuse your customers because you do not have another alternatives. That is the job of the government to keep competition away.
Chinese brands have lots of exclusive parts in their bikes so their Costumer/User can't buy anything but from the main brand itself.
And if the chinese brand doesn't has the parts required for Maintenace/Repairs available in its dealers, those motorcycles become useless once it's broken from lack of maintenance or due to be waiting for parts.
One of my bestfriends has a motorcycle business since the last century and most of his brands are chinese since 2015, and he's always looking out for spare parts (new and 2nd hand/used), because these aren't easily available and are becoming rare (even for those most selled models) and getting more and more expensive.
Lots of people are ditching/selling chinese brand bikes in Europe, no matter how good their quality is. Why?
-Because its users spend most time of year with their bikes halted/parked due to lack of parts, compared to the amount of time they spend riding their chinese bikes.
People get fooled by its looks and later, they regret buying it. The rule is: the lower the CC of that chinese bike, the worse it gets in this matter.
The bottomline is: on the short/long run, the chinese brands will do the same has the japanese do from the start: «overpricing and robbing us».
#Migueruta 🏍Ride safe and watch good movies!💯😉
@@migueruta
If all that happened, just buy the part directly from China and pay for the transport, and it will still cheaper than buying parts from KTM, BMW, or Honda!!!
@@Maximius38 « just buy the part directly from China and pay for the transport, and it will still cheaper»
- I know what you mean but that's easier said than done, mate.
Around here, you're not allowed to do Maintenance Service on your bike while it's still under warranty - otherwise it will void the Warranty..
Besides that, not all riders have the proper tools nor even the knowledge, to do maintenance work on their motorcyles.
Thank you for your attention! Ride safe!🏍😉
@@migueruta
Don't do it by ur self, brink the part from china, and go fix the bike where did you buy it from, so you don't loose the warranty.
also, CfMoto, TRK, etc of big Chinese brands, don't give sellers permission to represent them as easy as it was before with shitty Chinese brands, those new mega companies requires a large, presentable garages, worthy of the biggest brands, with all the equipment and spares parts stock.
they are game changing, I know it from my own experience...
They are able to make from the lowest quality to the highest quality, it all depends on the buyer's money
I'm 70. Have owned around 100 motorcycles. I used to sneer at India and China produced bikes. Although fond of all bikes, I always questioned QC of the China bikes. However, it's my belief that they've improved tremendously in manufacturing acumen and metallurgy. Thus, I recently ordered a X-Pro Paladin 300 EFI.
I'm 66. I have owned 4 since 1973. Couldn't you decide what you wanted, were they stolen or did you crash them all?
@@fuglbird you're a funny guy.
This is your life story when you only buy Chinese bikes lol
I just uncrated my Chinese bike. Looks like very good quality. The clone Kawasaki KLX300 motor by Lincon has been in production for seven years!
I'm the sucker that would pay $2k more for a bike so I can get parts easily, take it to local mechanics, have it serviced if I'm out of town, have the confidence that it will get 20 years of parts availability, retains resale value and, last, doesn't make me look to cheap to fully invest in my love of motorcycles. But that's just me.
The Chinese have moved from pure copyists to proper innovators. It’s good for the legacy manufacturers to be shaken up and get off their laurels.
Still copycats. Will always be copycats. And they do it so well. Definitely shaking things up, and hopefully bring down those prices.
Nakal k liye b akal chiye bro.. and they have that..
Who wants a second hand Chinese bike? Even if they are good, will not be easy to sale
True
They said the same thing about Japanese bikes not so long ago. If you look at the history, anything that was made by Japanese like motorcycles and cars was considered trash. Now there are collectors of what use to be called trash. I'm going to buy a 2025 model soon as they hit the dealers. I know a lot of people that plan the same thing. I use to be loyal to USA brands but since they are not really USA made anymore, I have discontinued this mindset. My ford truck was made in Mexico. Clearly US brands don't care about brand loyalty anymore. Not only that, but they have priced themselves out of the market. The American people have been reduced to the lowest common denominator. Price!!! I can get near the same quality of bike for just a little over half the price. And another thing, CFMoto has a warranty that is 2 times that of most other companies. If they are willing to do that then they must have faith that the product is of good quality.
@@ibewscott69 Actually, I am literally in love with 2 bikes, one of them is an Indian FTR 1200. But I live in Europe, and the cost of purchasing and maintaining one is much higher than it should have been. Ironically enough, since many of its parts are made by European companies!
I'll take a new SRK 1000 @ 9,000 than anything used in that price range. If your lucky you will buy something used without having to put another 3k into maintenance.
@@ibewscott69who said that about the Japanese bikes?
But yeah anyone can buy the garbage they want… 👌
Imagine providing the buyer / rider / customers with more features, longer range & protection for less money? It’s something the Japanese, Taiwanese, Italians, Indians & Germans haven’t done?
哪个做的能跟中国车比性价？
For those of us who just want to ride and aren’t overly bothered about ‘status’, switching to bikes from the far-east or India has been a ‘no-brainer’ for some time. The range of choice is expanding rapidly, running costs are low and durability is surprisingly good (and constantly improving). Existing leading brands will have to decide whether to stay in the game and compete toe to toe by shifting manufacturing to wherever its cheapest, or whether to move their range even further up-market in the hope of hanging on to a loyal following for whom the badge on the tank is the only thing that matters. I suspect most of us will become increasingly reluctant to pay the difference.
In Denmark (Europe) where I live, I see no competition to Japanese motorcycles. It may come. Competition is always welcome.
I think it will depend on how often they need to be serviced and how much a service will cost, and whether anyone is near-by who can do it. My BMW servicing costs are horrendous.
BMW's are no weirder to work on than any other brand. Way cheaper to buy tools and do it yourself.
So are their parts...
Been riding for over 40 years. Of course sticking with brands available today and paying the prices. Starting over, I’d definitely consider the Chinese brands at those price points. A new young rider certainly will look at them as will the riding schools. There’s no doubt things are going to change and the big European brands will need to change as well. Exciting times.
That's right my friend! The selling price of a new bike is attractive to many new bikers!!!
That's why I say that traditional brands have to reinvent themselves and set up their own factories in China!!!
I have never purchased a Chinese product that was worth its lower price. When I was a kid we all were familiar with “Japanese junk”. I’m afraid it will take time for Chinese manufacturing to evolve the way the Japanese have.
japanese bikes cant even invent tft display on their jap bikes. they even waited for china to invent one wahahaha. poor belief you got since you are a kid.
Why ?🤔
@richardgrabert8248: I take it you'd opine the same re. Chinese EV's too, am I right...?
The Chinese have already surpassed the Japanese. Do you find any Japanese smartphone brands that dominate the global market. Like Samsung, Apple or Chinese Xiaomi, Vivo or Oppo. The Japanese are now learning from the Chinese how to build an affordable and tech rich evs.
japanese brand even needed a chinese tft display for their high end bikes to compete with technology.
CFMoto Voge and Zontes are delivering very quality bikes and its just getting better by day. I had a chinese built Benelli TRK 502 X and absolutely nothing wrong with its built quality as they almost all come from the same motorbike plant Qianjiang Loncin and so on.
Not if we don’t buy them
You might not, a lot of new riders like myself haven't had to deal with the older bad Chinese bikes and the stigma around them.
I own a CFMoto 450SR. Ive done 32,000km on mine and not a single problem, low maintenance cost and sounds and feels amazing. I replaced the stock tires after 8,000km to some pirellis besides that the rest is the same.
Who is "we"? Like, BYD is #1 now - "we" don't buy it either, I guess?
My experience with Chinese bikes has been great. Bought my first one in 2007 and rode it 53,000 miles. Also have a Chinese quad and a scooter that have both been trouble free. Only buy a Chinese bike if you're willing to do all maintenance and repairs yourself, or at least have a shop lined up.
Crazy good design. I hope, the functionality can support the impression.
Honestly some of these are impossible to overlook. I hope they prove reliable because if they do they offer competition to the bigger brands and that's a good thing for the consumers. If bikes like the 800mt-x the Kove 800 and the ds800 rally prove their worth with such incredible prices the bigger manufacturers are surely going to make even better bikes or be forced to lower the prices to compete.
The Chinese bikes have pierced the market explosively. In just the last 5 years I've seen them belittled as inferior to full blown respect. It's a new era. I have no doubt they will flourish in the U.S. markets soon.
That's right, my friend! The future of motorcycles is in Chinese factories, which in a couple of years will produce motorcycles for all the recognized brands!!!
That's inevitable! The Chinese will conquer the whole world with their motorcycles!!!
Besides, they have the money....
As long as machining and metal are of high quality and staying in business for parts availability is the key for a successful product. Most quality Japan manufacturers motorcycle last very long in high mileage
The Japanese made motorcycles been prefecting their bikes for decades. I doubt a Chinese bike is even going to compare.
Yeah, I said the same thing about jap bikes back in the sixties. Turned out that was just one frame out of a 60 year movie production…
You say that but japan was making consumer electronics for decades - china now makes much more: smartphones, tvs etc. Where was your smartphone made, is it of acceptable quality?
…. It’s what the British and Americans said about the Japanese cars in the 60s and when the ‘73 OPEC happened in the states HONDA was king with their little Civic CVCC changed the minds of many, then the British manufacturing corps such as British Leyland /BMC collapsed followed by the the American market moving to Japanese’s imports..
Then came along the Koreans with Kia/Hyundai in the mid-80s yet they’re outselling most manufacturers world wide for the last 35 years..
Even BMW source their engines from Scandinavian, Indian and British manufacturers, the Japanese market in the mid-90s had Chinese manufacturing companies rebrand Honda, Yamaha and Vespa / piaggio, so your theory of Japanese reliability isn’t the same as it once was as others are catching up…
@Incountry Agree. Honda and Toyota and Nissan are not what they used to be. Seems the whole car industry is going down hill as far as quality controls are put into place.
except that they have already been making motors for ktm bmw benelli etc for some time and sold on to us for a huge profit. Japanese bikes are now bland, just redressed old hat. It's a bitter pill to swallow but 17-18k for a bike! we've been done
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Desteğiniz için teşekkür ederiz
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@@SuPreMeBikeRs ❤️❤️❤️
The Japanese already did that decades ago!
I tested the Vogue 650 DS, and I was impressed
It worth to be mentioned that QJ Motor SRK 1000 has the frame and the engine from MV Agusta Brutale 921 and the design is made by C-Creative, which is the design company of Giovanni Castiglioni. Adrian Morton and Paolo Bianchi work with him. Also, the design of Moto Morini is made by the same C-Creative.But I doubt SRK 1000 will be only 9000 euro in Europe, SRK 921 RR costs the equivalent of 8900 euro, but in China.
I have ridden the Svartpilen 401 (2020), Ténéré 700 (2021), MM X-Cape 650 (2022) and currently the CFmoto 450MT, overall I am most satisfied with the CFmoto 450MT
Maganda naman yan sir yong cfmoto sikat din yan dto sa philipinas..❤❤
I am a owner of a Chinese bike, the maverick 500,from kove, 10000,i know it is not. Enough, but until now I am very satisfied, with this package, it is runs good, it. Is very stable 45 with 47 hp, it is OK, for me you can see the work on the frame very solid job also the plastic are fit together properly, and their material is very good all in all someone who knows about bikes he can see quality, everywhere, how long it will last? I do not know, but, I know for sure. That the Chinese manufactures will have only progress more and more in the future
Are you chinese??
@@howardbull9001 fucken ey brother :)
@howardbull9001 no my friend I am not, I am from Greece.
IV had about 40 motorbikes done over a million miles.
I hope that they deliver the reliability which all bikers want.
Next year I'm going to buy two Zontes 368 scooters.
Fingers crossed.
Chinese motorbikes will reign supreme. It is history repeating itself, just like what Japanese motorbikes did to european bikes, back in the nineteen seventies.
Honda have been the world's largest motorcycle manufacturer since 1959 with a worldwide network of dealers. The Chinese brands have not reached that level yet. A long way to go.
@@davidmallia628 most of my Chinese friends wont buy china bikes. They mostly choose BMW, then Ducati, then Japanese, then Triumph (the Brits).
@@RogerCanda Most probably to reverse engineer then.😀
Unlike Japanese, buying Chinese is voting for CCP, socialism, anti-democracy, anti-human rights. For some people there is apparently no morality in consideration when voting with their money. It is their most powerful vote. If the ignorants in the developed world keep falling into this trap, the ones with this mindset who are closer to the bottom of the economic ladder will just have the boots of the elites pressed on their throats that much harder and wondering what happened.😂😂😂
They will sell when/if proven reliable. Takes a few years.
Any country can unveil various products, it's comes down to reliability, after sales service, parts availability etc.
LOL oh ya cause that's working out so well for KTM
Ktm destroys itself
KTM had a not so stellar reputation long before they started making the 790 adventure and one other in china.
@@jesses1589 Neither does anything that says made in China.
@@MrDannyZ123 Maybe you want to check your phone
@@CharlesR.SteinruckIII can't it's broken
Bikes look very nice, thanks for video. If brand has best value then that is where I would possibly like to buy. 🏍
Without a doubt, Chinese motorcycles will be the future, my friend!!!
It is only a matter of time before the quality of these bikes improves and they compete head-to-head against traditional brands 👍👍👍
I won’t be having a Chinese bike !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You must be rich. I would love to have money like that to burn. Country and brand name is not an option for me. For me I'm going with the cheap affordable Chinese. Half the price and as good of quality.
@@ibewscott69 get a cheap bike, wait for it to break down in no time due to quality issues, try to get parts, get stressed because they take to long to arrive, get surprised when the repair costs are higher than expected, get frustrated, try to sell the bike, can't sell the bike because no one wants it
These Chinese bikes are amazing ,China had the same engine design as all the major other motorcycle brands only they had it 20 to 30 years later wow.
The future of motorcycling is Chinese, my friend!!!
In a few years, all motorcycle manufacturers in the world will have their factories in China ⚡⚡⚡
I'll never buy a chinese bike... painted iron can never be gold
That's a hot reply mate
Never say never.
But they are foreign engineering with Chinese financial backing for the prices I will be looking into them. Imaging paying more for less just because culture
We said exactly the same in the 60's, when Japanese bikes where introduced !!!
If We Would Buy Them!✅💯
buy cheap, buy twice
hahahahahha
ktm is manufacturing in china and they sell very well! 😶😶😶
the world is changing Richard 👍
BMW - buy expensive but still not reliable.
Harley Davidson as well.
Buy one then cant afford to buy happiness.
already have one, a sports Jincheng JC 200, looks awesome, rides well and is very reliable
They look okay, but not for me. I don't want to give my money to china
hahahahahahahha! nobody loves china
But my friend! Unfortunately, Chinese motorcycles are the future 😑😑😑😑
But whatever you buy is from china
Good luck living without Chinese manufacturing.
your tv your phone and basically everything in your house is chinese
Chinese EVs are next level and the world knows it. When we all laugh at Chinese Motorcycle just think about that for a second. It won't be far along until the innovation comes through.
I totally agree with you my friend
The arrival of Chinese motorcycles throughout the world is inevitable
Chinese motorcycle manufacturers have to improve some things, but the future of motorcycling is in their hands
In reality! No riders are gonna consider these cheap knockoffs! The only people who are gonna buy these things are people who would try to ride once and then realize its not for them and quit riding!
westerners are brainwashed starting from conception in the womb that rip off prices mean quality. when boeing planes are falling out of the sky every week , they tell you they are the best plane ever. I remember when Japanese products with affordable prices came to europe we were told how inferior these products were. Later when western consumers found out the truth Eu governments forced to set up factories in europe so that europeans could steal their technology and innovation. History repeating itself..shame.
Was Keweseki there too?
Personally I would avoid funding a communist regime with a questionable human rights record.
British is communist
My dear why don't you visit the china and see what's the reality is, don't just believe what your western media tells you. Chinese PPL r very nice and polite. Country is developed and so clean 🎉
Shut up you racist your comment will not stop people from buying Chinese products I would buy them any day
Jealous Red Neck detected 🤢😲
@@GrahamJackson-j2s stupid comment really when a the jap and euro bike manufacturers get their stuff from China some are built there also
The only way they can take the market to to make parts readily available globally. I had several CFMoto owners complain about the lack or parts for repairs.
The repair shop I worked at took them off the list because parts were miserable to collect and the quality was so poor in some parts of the vehicles that we spent more time repairing the inherent flaws than the actual issue! Gen 1 CFMotos
I wouldnt touch one with a barge pole, i had a scooter once and it fell apart any nut or bolt would strip as harsly any of them are tightened properly because of that! The frame was rustimg from brand new ect ect , the thought of going fast on one is a no go for me.
I hope they come with a decent warranty and tool kit😂😂.
You don't have to hope. It is a fact. CFMoto's warranty in America is 2 years. Europe is 4 years.
Got me a chinese scooter been riding it for 3years so far so good
I Got a Zontes chines bike now and wouldnt go back
Without a doubt a good choice of motorcycle!!!
greetings GoFlyyy 👊👊👊
I'm going for the CFMOTO 450MT
You won’t. It is hard to sell that if it is not new.
@@macmac2319 That's not true. I know a lot of entry level people that is looking for cheaper used bikes. I'm entry level too. I cant find used Chinese bikes. I want one to learn on and maybe learn to do wheelies. On the reverse side, i would not buy a used Japanese or American bike. They are way over priced and for that money i can get a brand new bike. For 2018 models some bikes are just maybe a thousand less than a brand new bike. No thanks!!! So buying a cheaper Chinese bike brand new looks pretty good.
They look very stylish and cool. But reliable after sales of services and spares. Wins 🏆
Because they offering good quality and nice looking bike. Also affordable prices.
untill you need warranty
There's an issue... Chinese brands have lots of exclusive parts in their bikes, which are not compatible with other brands.
This does not allow their Costumer/User to buy parts but from the main brand itself.
Often the chinese brand doesn't has the parts required for Maintenace/Repairs available in its dealers so, those motorcycles become useless once they go broken from the lack of maintenance or due to be long waiting for parts.
One of my bestfriends has a motorcycle business since the last century and most of his brands are chinese since 2015, and he's always looking out for spare parts (new and 2nd hand/used), because these aren't easily available and are becoming rare (even for those most selled models) and getting more and more expensive.
Lots of people are ditching/selling chinese brand bikes in Europe, no matter how good their quality is. Why?
- Compared to the amount of time they spend riding their chinese bikes because its users spend most time of year with their bikes halted/parked due to lack of parts, .
People get fooled by its looks and later, they regret buying it. The rule is: the lower the CC of that chinese bike, the worse it gets in this matter. The bottomline is: on the short/long run, the chinese brands will do the same has the japanese do from the start: «overpricing and robbing us» when they sell parts.
#Migueruta 🏍Ride safe and watch good movies!💯😉
Time will tell, how good they are,
They will destroy overpriced.
Jose! Chinese motorcycles are the future 👊
In some countries, Chinese motorcycles in the same category are up to 25% cheaper
thannks for commenting Jossse
Without doubt the question is all about QUALITY .
I don’t want a Chinese bike
Why pay more?
@@侯盛沥poor build quality, poor service after sale, poor resale value, unreliable (I wont risk my life) especially on corners and rain, can’t get broken parts.. on and on..
Bikers are not poor to consider cheap bike and risking life.
suit yourself on your outdated expensive famous brand while paying more for a poor innovation. wahahahaha
@@RogerCanda famous brand cant even invent a tft display to their high end bikes. cant imagine an expensive new model brand of bikes still using a cheap build lcd display because cheap cost will gain more money while telling fools like you that their famous brand is high end technology even it got poor parts wahahaha. thats an excuse for a poor willing victim for the brand especially you already got it. keep on making excuse for many years to come while you expensive brand is still at the low end side of innovation. wahahahaha.
With tracking devices 🫡
They looking nice. The big question are, how safe and reliable they are.
Give it 7-10+ years the time, to build-up there reputation and good trackrecords.
The old adage, you only get what you pay for may well apply here! Chinese copies are well known for their poor reliability and fail to understand all the tech that really goes into bike design! How many are involved in Moto GP's? Are they trying to steal the show without the technical know how? I have to say in mitigation, the beauty we see may not last, but how can you know until you buy and try! Risk your money first and be the bike test for the rest! The price point may win the day for Chinese bikes, but how long will they last and hold their value? Wait a few years and we will see! I am concerned about the short cut in quality materials may prove to be the downfall, looks can be deceiving! Tofu Dregs???
But still, the looks and design is very enticing 😁
Try looking at Moto 2 to see how they are doing, not to mention the TT races in the lightweight TT
Voge 900 uses the same engine as the BMW GS900 which is made in china.
CF Moto are another level, it’s like what happened to Triumph, BSA and British engineering in the late 60s . They sat back when Japanese took over. The 3rd generation crap Chinese products are long gone . Overthinking and overtaking the Japanese and European rivals.
Replying to thelittlesignpost. What are the requirements for Moto GP? The Chinese manufactures are getting towards the displacement required for Moto GP. They're building a good lineup of models for sale to secure a stable business model instead focusing on and betting the farm for racing in Moto GP. CFMoto for the short time they have been in Moto3 have done very well. 2024 World Championship. How well would a liter bike sell in the Asia market to justify all the R&D and money to make it available to a market that cannot afford it. The Chinese will have to build a customer base elsewhere in the world to sell their liter bikes in volume at an affordable price the same way the Japanese brands did years ago to support a Moto GP effort. How well do their liter bikes sell in Japan compared to the rest of their lineup. The European brands in Moto GP sell liter bikes in low volume that are 5 and 6 times the cost of what sells in the Asian market. They rely on worldwide sales at a premium price point for their sales numbers. China is not there yet. I am really not telling you anything you did not take into consideration of how a manufacturer would jump into Moto GP. CFMoto's in Europe get a four-year warranty and price point that is hard to resist. Here in America, we only get a two-year warranty that you can extend out to six years that includes all free service cost for those six years. And the retail price point is cheaper here than in Europe. I have the 450SS/SR that was designed in Italy. ABS/ECU/ fueling by Bosch, Brembo brakes. To use your scripted. You fail to understand all the tech that really went into my bikes design.
Oh they look good... oh so very nice... but I have a bad aftertaste after riding an off-road Chinese bike when the headset opened up after 20 mins, and the bearings dropped out.
I would buy a Chinese motorcycle it's way cheaper, just service it often. I don't know why the other countries sells their bikes so expensive people can't afford them highway robbery
I used to have Zontes GK125 it was very good bike ... I've made 8000 km on it with no worries. I've sold it because I've bought bigger bike 😊
Thank you for sharing your experience with Zontes
I think that Chinese motorcycles are the future!!
I remember when I was a mechanic starting out over 50 years ago I bought cheap tools do you know how I bought those tools 5 to 6 times then I worked at a place where I bought snap-on tools and I only bought them one time they were made in America and they were tough as hell and I still have them to this day as 45 years of a operating engineer mechanic local 12 Los Angeles
I understand your point of view, American and Japanese products will always be superior!!
But in the current context where European brands produce motorcycles that are much more expensive than Chinese ones, it is logical that Chinese motorcycles sell more and that European brands are in crisissss
thankss for commenting Willian 🤙👊
Good luck finding parts.
I remember another YT video talking about Chinese brand entering Vietnam, and while the company was able to capture market share, it basically lost most of its market and clients only after several years. Build quality, durability, service, were among several reasons of its decline. Yah, these products might be cheap and look great with all the gimmicks, but more important is how will it perform in 3-5 years.
Are there any real European Motorcycle Brands left anyway?
Sure
Moto Guzzi fully build in Italy
BMW Boxer engine models build in Germany.
Norton UK
Aprilia, Ducati, Motoguzzi, Triumph, MV Agusta, BMW.
Very few... and in the end they will all move their production to China!!
That is the future of motorcycles
thanksss for commenting Constantino 👍🤙👍🤙
Where can I see more info on that suzuki modded 8r ?
Friend on the official Suzuki USA page
There you will find information about the new Suzuki models..!!
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When I see "..destroy..." I know it's a clickbait
Yeah, I've had a lot chinese quality before , so far its never been good
Reliability may well be an issue
I just got a chinese manufactured charger for my laptop ...
The end mounding fell of while I was taking it out of the box new and unused.
It fell off on the mains electric end showing bare cables that could have
easily given me a shock
Shoddy dangerous stuff
@@budbud2509 Lol. No matter what the world can't live without Chinese products... Appliances, cell phones, computers, most replacement car parts, clothes, furniture and the list goes on.... In fact, look up where most of the high end moto apparel is made? I have a 2021 Hengjian 450 sumo ( KTM replica with early 2000's Honda motor copy) and it's and awesome toy for the money! So, if you're so unhappy with Chinese product, buy over price products from Japan or Europe.....Also, U.S, products aren't good anymore. Don't believe me go out and buy an American car like a Cheve....
@@budbud2509 you didnt even try asking yourself while buying an iphone wahahaha.
hahahahahahha
What's up my friend????? It is no secret that Chinese motorcycles are destroying European factories 😑😑😑
I have CF Moto MT700. Middle range touring motorcycle. One word...awesome.
Not a chance i'd go over 100 miles per hour on a chinese bike. Thing would fall apart
Will the stands break and the bikes fall over similar to their high rise apartments?
hahahahahahahha
The quality of Chinese motorcycles is increasing.... as an example we have CFMOTO
Go ride the 700clx for a couple months and watch the logos fly off, the computer start to fail and the inevitable "why won't it start?"
I simply won't buy a Chinese bike, I haven't forgotten covid
Hahaha yes
So you wont be having a german bike then cos of the war? Or american cos of their unjustified wars in vietnam, korea, Iraq? Or british cos of their relentless colonisation? Hmmm, doesnt seem so bad now does it?
@@Laavaavaal I'm South African and only ride Japanese bikes, Pearl Harbour isn't in Cape Town.
@@Laavaavaal In fact, not even war against red skin Americans was not justifed, not to mention all the others. Give me just one war (after Second WW) America participated which was fair? Not even one...
Did you forget pearl harbor? Did you forget that US funded covid? Did you forget that almost all have parts made in china? Did you forget that Harley Davidson is moving to India? There are a lot of things you are forgetting to have loyalty to a countries products. If it was 30 years ago i would agree. Things have changed. The lines have been blurred. Things are not what they seem anymore. So will you buy a product who's name and location of origin is not Chinese but is made in china? Honda, Kawasaki, KTM, Yamaha, Harley Davidson, Indian all have their motors made by Chinese companies. Most of the electronics on the these bikes are made in china. One way or another you are giving business to china. The quality is not an issue because they just use the same manufacturing plants that make all the others parts. Your heart is in the right place, but unfortunately the manufactures of products have no such loyalty.
It all comes down to the least common denominator. Price!!!
Staying loyal to Japan, years of great products speak for them self.
In Japan, motorcycles are hardly manufactured anymore! Most of the production has moved to Indonesia, Thailand and India!!
It's a shame! And in a decade, most motorcycles will be produced in China!!
Chinese bikes over $10,000. Im getting old and will die anyway.
Chinese motorcycles with 4-cylinder inline engines and 125 horsepower for less than 10k
which are produced in the same factories where KTM manufactures several models 🤙🤙🤙🤙
It's good to have more option and variation that we consumer can choose to. It's a win win...
I am a mechanic 40 years I don’t buy Chinese equipment !!!!!! ,they look great ,but that’s it ,
Times have changed old timer. Chinese have a Space Station built from scratch. No doubt they can build a good bike
@ no doubt, but time will tell my friend
@@Darkmatter321 I live in a town of 100,000 people, with countless bike shops and small engine mechanics... I know many of them personally and none of them will work on anything made in China.
I second that. As a mobile motorcycle mechanic I don't have the time to waste on 4 month backorders on parts that are clearly going to fail again and the CHEAP owners of those bikes that think because the bike cost $3k new, the repair should be 1/3 the cost as well.
Chinese bike below 500cc sell well in Asia due to cheap & durability, above 500cc people still choose Japanese bike a lot especially Kawasaki.
Their Service is Worst, Don't get spares, Low Quality Good Luck
Cry baby cry:-)
That will improve with the days...... there is more and more presence of Chinese brands in all countries!!!
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The ideal would be to buy a motorcycle from the most recognized Chinese brands
Benda are also making some seriously interesting motorcycles, just a pity about the company's name "Benda", what's that all about?
Shineray are manufacturing a Harley-Davidson Sportster clone in the form of their V1200 "Stormbreaker", they are marketing the machine in Europe under their SWM brand name. SWM are another Italian brand that is now Chinese owned as are Benelli and Morini.
Chinese bike❌ Indian bike✅
Smelling cow dung 💩
🐄💩🙏🏻
If these bikes are still around after 30 years then their quality will be proved.
Chinese bikes will destroy the riders
hahahahaha
I don't think so... the KTM 790s are Chinese and nobody says anything 🤑🤑🤑
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They all seem to be in the same sector - so will compete with each other. Low residual values will make the true cost of ownership very high.
The only issue might be parts and service and reliability? I have heard good things about CF moto
My dream come true: a V-3 supercharged.
Model futuristik...tp yg paling utama adalah ketahanan engine nya yg masiih di pertanyakan...
Chinese engines are inspired by engines from traditional brands such as Ducati, KTM and Yamaha!!!
The quality of these engines will improve over time....
I bought a Chinese Scooter that looked really nice, but the motor was made out of cheap metal and became evident after putting miles on it. Things started self- destructing.
50000km on my CFMOTO 800MTLE. Awesome bike
有几个小缺陷，改善了就很完美了
They getting better every year .. they will draw level very soon
The problem with Chinese brand motorcycle is the availability and consistency of parts, specially outer parts like fairings. Here in Philippines that's the kind problems we're facing when it comes to china made motorcycle. If you own an older model and you happen to brake the fairings and you need some replacement, good luck finding one.😂
Am impressed 😮
That's the future... Chinese motorcycles
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CFMOTO is not a Chinese brand anymore, it went globally. You can find more parts and accessories than any other brand
Maybe we'll see more innovation and better prices from the big brands after China put some pressure on them. I think it's a good thing to have more competition between brands
I feel like no one is noticing all of the totally awesome bikes that major manufacturers have released under $10k. I'm riding the triumph Trident 660 right now. It has 17k on it and has ran perfectly since pickup. I never forget to redline a gear and have already replaced the front wheel bearings lol. If you want to own a fantastic bike, go buy it
The coolest motorcycles in the world are made by the Indian company Royal Enfield. No over-engineered nonsense on steroids, Enfields have soul... and are of very high quality and reliable.
China is at the forefront of innovation but number 1 from behind when it comes to durability. The only thing that has extraordinary durability in China is its people, not its products.
the quality of Chinese motorcycles will gradually improve!